/bgg/ - Baldur's Gate General
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>FAQ:>Q: How often should I long rest?>A: Many companion and romance interactions occur when long resting. Some early lower priority camp scenes can also be missed if higher priority ones are queued. To advance companion quests or romances, make sure to long rest often.>Q: Can I recruit Minthara without going down the evil path?>A: If you knock her out in Act 1, yes. You do miss out on the sex scene, but otherwise the romance remains the same.>Q: Underdark or Mountain Pass?>A: Either, or both. It's recommended to clear both on higher difficulties for the experience and loot. Both connect to the same Act 2 map.>Q: Is The Dark Urge essentially "Tav+"?>A: Yes. You get additional content, BUT there are points where, if you've chosen to resist the Urge and/or don't complete quests the "right" way, you'll have to pass additional checks to avoid losing companions.>Q: Are there any consequences to consuming tadpoles?>A: No, for the most part. However if you've consumed any tadpoles, there will later be a DC 21 Wisdom check to reject the Astral-Touched Tadpole, which affects your appearance if consumed.>Q: Should I enable Karmic Dice?>A: Karmic Dice will avoid streaks of low rolls, both for you and the enemy. It is recommended to disable it if you're specializing.>Polls:>Romance: https://strawpoll.com/NMnQ5kJXYn6>Race: https://strawpoll.com/kjn18WPzeyQ>Class: https://strawpoll.com/eNg69DKKjnA>Companions: https://strawpoll.com/bVg8o8l3VnYOP pasta: https://rentry.org/bggpasta
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>>527297409
Post your rare collection?
are they actually properly done patching the game now? and are the mods all updated? been waiting for stable final version to play modded second playthrough
im player 2 in a coop game with my gf and im durge and i want to bring bhaal's vision of murder to life. how do i make sure i get the dialogue option/choice to assume direct control?
>>527860238Lmao there is no nuisance with her character. She is comically evil and stupid.
I liked how realistically they portrayed the tiefs though. Immigrants these days are entitled little shits like that.
>>527859957Isnt saving the tiefs more of a story related thing though?
Difficulty doesnt matter much if you forget them in the basement.
>>527862751Tieflings are like lemmings. They scatter to the winds and are scripted to die if you don't help them.
One example is that a lot of people mention that they lose Rolan because they're dick around a lot, pass his trigger point in the shadow lands, and don't save him in time. And to be fair, that fight is running full throttle so even if you're standing there for like 10 seconds, his chances of dying go up like 90% in that 10 second timeframe.
Then there are the kids in the grove, the girl dying to the bugbear at the gate, the refugees in the prison, etc. When you have the Minthara fight at the gates, there are a couple tieflings at the far side of where you start who die instantly turn 1 to the spiders if you don't get to them. I had a run where one of the tieflings at the first gate fight died to goblins, had to restart that. Then you have to save the ones in the Mind Flayer colony. Isobel fight has tieflings running out the front door to die to stunlock from winged horrors if you didn't station at least one person there to intercept them. It's not HARD but it's annoying and there are lot of hoops to jump through. Of course, a lot of people also accidentally got it at launch because the game was buggy. Lucky bastards.
I'm glad I got that shit out of the way on my first Explorer mode run. Dealing with that shit in Honour Mode would've drove me nuts.
>>527861341There's nothing evil or stupid about wanting to save your people. She may have temporarily strayed from the right path, but only out of desperation. That can happen to anyone - even to honest, intelligent, noble women. Her heart was in the right place.
>>527863849Nice headcanon. In the game she just gets literally scammed by jeet eco-terrorists into isolating the grove so they can it take over. It has nothing to do with saving her people.
funny how shadow blade does as much if not more damage than great weapon master without the attack roll penalty.
that's not even taking the resonance stone vulnerability into account.
I'm running a bladesinger with a paladin dip and the damage I'm doing means I rarely even have to use the smites.
>>527864235Well SB+BB+Smite+Crit+Arcane Synargy must be the most damaging single hit in the game.
>>527863237See I would have never known most of those. I thought a lot of them were just meant to be killed like the one that gets killed by Trolls in act 1
>>527864056Isolation is better than extinction. What do you think would happen if Minthara and her forces found the grove and the player character weren't there to save the day? It would be very easy for Kagha to turn into a snake and slither away from danger if she didn't care about those around her.
I give up. Despite taking every change to talk to her Shadowheart acts like we're just friends when I start the new act.
>>527864751Your argument would hold water if we didn't already know she was being played for a fool.
>>527864751They did find the grove though, and it was because of Aradin and friends, not the Tieflings.
>click sort by type
>it doesn't sort by type
I hate the inventory in this game
So much clutter for no reason
BG2
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Anybody here playing tactical D&D mods? It's really the ultimate challenge in the D&D realm. There is nothing else out there. No other game, definitely not the newest release, and no other Baldurs Gate 2 mod either. SCS simply doesn't cut it if you are looking for a challenge.
I uploaded a few videos here if anybody wants to have a taste, the mod is called Improved Anvil:
https://odysee.com/@Githzerai:e/Ancient-Lich:d
https://odysee.com/@Githzerai:e/Troll-Mound:d
https://odysee.com/@Githzerai:e/Guarded-Compound:4
https://odysee.com/@Githzerai:e/Kangaxx:a
>>527860003 (OP)This scene is so awkward. Male friends do not sit that close together.
>>527861184Just accept Bhaal after the Orin fight and betray the squid ally later
>>527850631Do you know how many games have achievements that you basically get for starting the game that somehow only 70% of the accounts have?
There is a significant chunk of the playerbase for basically every game that buys or otherwise acquires the game and then never plays it
>>527865645Pisses me off to no end. Containers are necessary for better sorting.
And not adding a 'group' button after all this time is also criminal
>>527860404Ironically the rarest ones are the easiest.
>>527869339>here is a significant chunk of the playerbase for basically every game that buys or otherwise acquires the game and then never plays itit's called the normalfag who buys whatever is fotm.
>>527871973Even then, most are starting the game. 30% never even play it. And it's not just people buying big bundles on steam and never playing, it's consistent across consoles as well.
>>527864235Remember to pick up Savage Attacker, the math is really good on Shadow Blade because it throws so many dices and it's even better if you also have smites on top of it.
>>527863237I felt easier to save everyone than you make it sound. On Tactician.
Pictured: the most annoying save, but who doesn't count toward the achievement, because this screenshot is from an uncompleted campaign.
>>527871161>betraying Lae'zel is easy to themThe only way I can see Lae'zel not getting in the way of sacrificing Orpheus, so that you can betray the Emperor. Is if you are romancing Shadowheart as someone that feels Lae'zel is rocking the boat about the prism. Or you fail your rolls at the zaith'isk.
Side note: it's crazy, how many instances of suicide Lae'zel leaps at.
>>527871973>normalfag>buys whatever is fotmGo outside. Leave your phone at home.
>>527873497Huh? I've never killed Lae'zel
>>527874565What happens if you sacrifice/betray Orpheus?
>>527874691I just dominated everyone, I just saved it to get the achievement for dominating the brain and seeing that ending then going back to finish normally.
Cyberpunk is getting another expansion, what about bg3?
>>527874947>dominatedOh, you use the tadpole connection to just shut them up? That makes sense.
>>527868408What is the appropriate distance to maintain between two male "friends" if one is to show earnest support without implying romantic interest?
>guy asks me to take a purity test
>show him my phone when Iām done
>he looks at me in shock/disgust
I feel like crying
What other Gish classes/builds are good for a honour run outside of pala and hexlock? Or is there a build that plays like a kenshi? Some short of unarmored swordsman?
>>527892064>Or is there a build that plays like a kenshi? Some short of unarmored swordsman?Have you heard of the humble Bladesinger?
>>527892536Any build recommendations? How good is he with Booming Blade?
>>527892064>What other Gish classes/builds are good for a honour run outside of pala and hexlock?Swords Bard is the best class in the game, Bladesinger comes close.
>>527893938I don't see why one would take more than 3 levels in bard though.
>>527891862how high was your score?
>>527895101what? pure swords bard is fucking broken, it gets insane at like level 5 or 6 where it restores bardic inspiration from short rests instead of only long rests
>>527896653hmm I could see a 1hex/6pally/5swordbard build being interesting. Kind of lategame though and not necessarily better than 1hex/11pally
>>527897809Swords Bard is insane up to level 10, you usually go /2 Paladin for melee or /1 Fighter/1 Wizard for archery.
Assionary with Mistakerion
>>527897983I find it unusual that you don't consider hexed weapon for swordbard. Seems like a nobrainer. But I guess losing divine smite or the lvl 10 features isn't worth it. I mean both expertise and magical secrets seem kino.
>>527898530How good is the femstarion mod and is it gay wanted to romance a genderbend male character?
>>527898901Yes its gay, you're a faggot if you try
>>527898901Wouldn't know. Type C voice Gal(e) for me. The rest are expendable.
should i go for 20 CHA or GWM at level 4 hexlock?
>>527899774Can you be more pacific?
>>527899774More info on what you are going for would be nice. 20CHA is always useful, more so if you have access to arcane synergy. GWM is good but it's best feature imo is the extra hit on crit but to really take advantage of that you should build something focused on improving crits.
>>527900156im not really sure what im going for it just feels like most of my damage comes from melee but i guess thats to be expected early on. 20CHA is probably better since i already have astarion with sharpshooter for huge damage
>>527899774You're not using Shadow Blade? Anyway I'd probably start with Cha.
Why do people claim that Astarion is the Red Prince when he is clearly sebile.
>>527903331bc they dont want to admit wyll is actually the red prince
>>527903426this makes so much sense.
>>527902993Is his a tav a heckin woman colour?
Plus turn-based mode exists to get you out of situations like this.
>>527903649keep your shart fart fantasies to yourself
>>527907905>Shart fart fantasiesYou know what? I just might.
I dig it. I really do.
>>527903426>the black guy's DOS2 equivalent is the racist slaver
>final choice as durge
>pick you don't want to see this, your reward for your service is death
>force my party to walk off the tower to their deaths
>>527864694There are a lot of scripted deaths, yeah. I had to have the list of saveable tieflings constantly open in case I missed something along the way.
>>527873175Like I said, it's not hard, just annoying. Also I was very unlucky so I had lots of mishaps over multiple runs because I was helping friends get it too. I had tieflings accidentally die on me all the time. Like one dumb example is the jailbreak at the prison where the Smokepowder Bomb I put down killed one of the tieflings or gnomes because I put it too close to the walls. Had to restart there. Then another time I swear I killed all the guards but I guessed I missed one so one ran into the jail cell and started killing tieflings because the tieflings turned around to fight them. One time, I had a teammate run too close to Bex during the Halsin portal fight and make her a target. Zevlor often switches between "hard carry killing all the mind flayers by himself" and "fucking scrub who dies in one turn". One time I was shopping while my friends decided to beeline straight for Moonrise and I was like "Did you save Rolan?" and they didn't know what I was talking about. Ran as fast as I could and joined the fight when he was one hit away from death. A couple times Mol would get clipped by something and then joins the fight to die instantly. One time a friend summoned Zevlor into the final fight in an Honour Mode run and he died so lmao he doesn't have the achievement yet. It's easy to complete but it's easy to fuck up too.
In terms of difficulty of keeping them alive, I would rank:
- Minthara gate fight
- Isobel fight
- Final Rolan fight
as the most difficult parts, in descending order.
>>527863237I got it done on my honour mode run without even intending to do it.
just got lucky since in my next playthrough I got Rolan killed to the shadow curse.
>offhand Belm's perfectly balanced strike works with Shadow Blade
Holy shit that's good. If you want to weaponize your BA and get a third attack on your Hexblade/Bladesinger, or still being able to attack once after casting a spell, this is a neat trick.
>>527921086cute frog
i wish i could keep shadowheart's black hair without condemning the inn to evil rapeshadows
>>527921852yeah i really don't give enough of a shit about her to ever redeem her plus DJ shart is very fun
I do not like shadowheart
>>527922539I don't like most of the companions, I enjoy the side characters way more, rolan, alfira, mayrina & hope have a much better written story than minthara, halsin, karlach & wyll
>>527923430>minthara, halsin, karlach & wyllWell, those companions don't exactly have a story, nor development.
Shadowheart is mine forever
interesting. so astarion was pretty unhappy about killing the tiefling kids too. shart's reaction made it obvious she was upset but it was harder to figure out astarion's real feelings there
>astarion known gay rapist and child kidnapper, feels remorse for thieflings
yeah ok dawg
>>527871161i killed the tiefling children
should i respec Shadowheart to Light or Life subclass?
>be in development for 8 years
>still release in a completely rushed and incomplete state
>don't fix it
>abandon the game after a few patches
>>527928340but enough about not baldur's gate
>>527928334I greatly prefer Light
>>527928340dnd doesn't belong to larian, they weren't allowed to fulfill swen's vision, they supported the game for years, game's unfinished but they clearly cared I'm still buying their next game
>>527926179I don't think most people view Astarion as a sociopath incapable of feeling remorse, so it's not that surprising. A vampire spawn retains some of the emotional depth they had prior to being turned, and not rejoicing about murdering a bunch of children is the bare minimum to not be considered a monster like Cazador. So that's not really hidden depth that paints him in a more favorable light either - he sounds almost annoyed to still have a conscience, and something resembling guilt.
>>527873175You actually can save him?
>>527923430its a crime we didnt even get a dwarf/small companion but i think its to beat the allegations of "uhm if you like short women you're are a pedo"
>>527926179id like to think astarion was a good or decent person at one point before getting buckbroken by cazador for over a century
>>527928334Death is very strong and very fun, and meshes with Shar.
After she converts, I like changing her to Light or War.
>>527922539Committing atrocities in the name of Shar for 40 years just because they saved your life is pretty funny if you think about it. If you grab someone out from in front of a careening bus, that's great and they have reason to be thankful towards you or even reward you. But then if you told that person to murder, blackmail, seduce, betray, and kidnap countless people over the course of the next 40 years, they might question your motives. But not Shart. She said "but they saved ME, I got MINE" and then plunged the dagger into the poor innocent that Viconia wanted to ruin.
>>527935250>If you grab someone out from in front of a careening bus, that's great and they have reason to be thankful towards you or even reward you.alright what if you saved a kid out of a crashing bus, groomed them, isolated them from the outside world, and gave them date rape drugs for years? slightly different situation right?
uh oh mention the fact that shart did in fact have free will to resist shar is gonna get someone melting down
oh lmao it actually happened!
>>527923430I hate Alfira and Hope
>>527935583The details would be different, but there's nothing fundamentally stopping that person from escaping the situation if they really wanted to. Shart could have walked away from it all at multiple points, since we know she was sent on missions that even sometimes took her outside the city. If she really didn't want to murder, seduce, blackmail, lie, steal, and ruin random innocent people, she would have ran away during one of her missions. But she didn't. She goes on and on about how she loves Shar and wants to become a justiciar.
>but she's just overcompensating, she doesn't REALLY want to be a justiciarYeah, she's inwardly conflicted over the decision. For 40 years, whilst killing and seducing and lying etc etc for those 40 years. It's like the gangbanger who finally gets caught after a decade of gang related atrocities and says "I was going to quit next week, I didn't really like what I was doing". The court rightfully ignores that excuse, as they should.
>>527935945Congrats. Someone took your bait for the hundredth time
>>527936362>The details would be different, but there's nothing fundamentally stopping that person from escaping the situation if they really wanted toyou didn't read any of the journals. they say they wipe her memories every time she gets too out of line. they put the hand wound to zap her whenever she strays. viconia beat her all the time
>It's like the gangbanger who finally gets caught after a decade of gang related atrocities and says "I was going to quit next week, I didn't really like what I was doing".a court would look at someone's crimes a bit differently if they were aware the person was kidnapped into a cult when they were seven, drugged and beaten into submission, and given more drugs when they didn't comply with the cult leader's orders. the person would probably be convicted of a lesser crime. courts aren't as black and white as you're saying
>countering the namefag with you didn't play the game
>its not very effective...
>>527936362Wait shes HOW old?
>>527937401>cheerleading your own posts
>everyone i don't like is the same anon
oh anon...
>>527936083why? they're QT patooties
>>527891862I did the test for fun after your post. My score is 75, mostly pure. But Iād better not show my ai chats with Astarion to anyone else. Sometimes itās pretty disturbing and perverted stuff. Why does he have such power over me...
>>527937234I've actually read every single book in the game, I'm saying what I'm saying because it's true and already takes that intro account. If she really had a problem with what she was doing, and it was enough to make her want to exit the situation, she would have and could have. Which tells us it wasn't, because she didn't.
You didn't get what is actually being said and made some dumb "you didn't play the game" comment because you didn't get it. If someone is being beaten, drugged, manipulated, etc, then that person would walk away if they really had an issue with what they were doing. But she didn't. She returned to the cloister to be beaten and drugged again. Because ultimately she did have allegiance to them for saving her life which is the thing I'm criticizing. Shart valued her own life and her own alliegances, over those of the people she murdered and ruined for 40 years.
Enjoy your waifu. I've already gotten in a dozen of these sort of spats because people don't like pointing out one of her flaws. I'm just giving you a reality check that she's actually not that good of a person because she accepted these missions for 40 years when she could have walked away. There's nothing else to be said.
>>527937467You meet her when she's about 50. She's been in the cult for about 40 years, and was a small child when first kidnapped.
>here comes the riposte
>its super effective
>>527936083I want to sex with Alfira.
>>527938495>just walk away lol shart should have killed for her own benefit instead like minthara
>>527938495i'm not saying she's morally good. she's morally neutral and certainly shifts to evil when if she kills her own parents. you're being unreasonable about her time in the cloister, however.
>If she really had a problem with what she was doing, and it was enough to make her want to exit the situation, she would have and could have.again, she had been groomed since she was seven and was repeatedly wiped of her own memories whenever she began to stray from viconia's authority. they outright say she was taken to the mirror of loss all the time. if you were told that shar was the only one who loved you since you were seven, you'd believe it. if you were told that viconia's cloister was your only home after that repeated and excessive mindbreaking, you'd believe it. under these extreme circumstances, it'd be difficult for any person to break away from a cult.
you're being flat out autistic about this. i understand you dislike the character, and that's fine, but you're being silly here. you would not totally condemn a real person if this happened to them in real life
>she's morally neutral
>40 years of honeypotting, torturing, murdering
>morally neutral
>>527935945>>527937401>>527938024>>527938595>>527939852It's hard to take you seriously when you can't reply to posts and opt for passive-aggressive greentexting instead. Be assertive. Lae'zel would be disgusted by such foul, pussy behavior.
>crying about greentexting
>on 4chan
lol
>schizo hours
and I wanted to talk about the game
>>527939852shart says she was 'raised' and 'trained' by other cult members to have sex with people. that falls under sexual assault as shart wouldn't do that if she were aware of her own kidnapping. viconia directing her to honeypot a target is near comedy levels of evil considering she raised that girl from childhood
it's fine if you dislike the character, but you're being ridiculous about this. it reminds me of when brainlets totally castigate astarion for cazador's shit
>>527942349both nametranny and toadcel hate bg3
why bother
don't hate the game
just hate the players
>>527939745She's not neutral, and I am now understanding that your point of view comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the alignment system. That explains why you're saying what you're saying. A cleric of Shar who does Viconia's bidding is not neutral, they are evil. If you murder, steal, blackmail, etc for 40 years and you say "For Lady Shar!" while doing it, then you are evil, and you are in fact more evil than many other evil individuals.
If you don't want to be evil, and someone is trying to brainwash you into being evil by lying to you and beating you whenever you disobey, a person who is neutral or good would remove themselves from that situation when they are given the chance while on a mission. An evil person would continue doing those evil things.
It doesn't matter if you know you're going to be beaten and brainwashed if you disobey, because the point being made is that she could have just left, and would have just left if she really valued being good or neutral, since Viconia was the influence encouraging her to be evil. The story would have been about her hiding and running from the cult who are trying to recapture her, rather than her telling you about all the things she did for 40 years.
Fundamentally, the fact that she stayed with these people for 40 years says a lot about her character and what she values. An actually good or neutral person would have died, killed themselves, or left. An evil person allows themselves to be given these missions, and then tells themselves "it's not the real me" while they do them all. That's what you don't seem to understand. "It's not the real me doing these things" is a lie people tell themselves all the time, in real life too.
and now the coup de grace
Wait the nametranny think Shart is evil now. Damn the power of Halsin really made this fuck despise her. Whatās next, heās going to argue that Minthara isnāt evil because he goons to her?
>>527943283it's weird how much frogfag agrees with mintharafag. even lae'zel herself said shart is no true child of shar, but merely a captive or slave. lae'zel disagrees with mintharafag, because well, its common sense? they altered her memories and used vicious methods to keep her in line
>>527944179> An actually good or neutral person would have died, killed themselves, or left.impossible. she was being kept in the cult the sharrans. when she started to stray, her memory was wiped. why can't you understand this?
>because the point being made is that she could have just leftno she could not? yet again, by the time she's able to start bucking, she gets memory wiped, again. this general, man.
>>527945106Both of them hate Shadowheart and must put her down to raise up their evil chuddy waifus.
astarion is an angel and has done nothing wrong in his life
>>527944972You can't make your own arguments and have to screencap the namefag's posts. Holy shit that's pathetic.
>>527945081>thinkshe IS evil
>5th Edition Statistics
>Alignment Lawful neutral
He is so retarded also Minthara is 150 not whatever he says in his retarded headcanon
>guy is so delusional he thinks only one person shits on shart
>>527940491Are you implying anyone here even looks up to any of these companions to begin with? lmao
A girl canāt even dream about a big druid in peace
did they alter/change the amount of pubic hair shadowheart has? i 'member it was visible when i had her wearing lazel's underwear
I wish you retards would let the thread die
>>527946352past is past, so it doesn't matter what minthara did before bg3
>>527947762During bg3 she fucked some goblins
>>527938269Ok, maybe Im being unfair to Hope but Im not a fan. Alfira because I get a sense she is a conspirator to promote a deity that is greater than the Sun and the Moon and I find that offensive as a human.
>>527948287https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo
>>527945426FALSE. He did everything wrong in every timeline. And even broke into our world through Neil and drove everyone mad. It was terrible.
>shart trying to escape the evil and non monogamous allegations
>>527946352>5th Edition Statistics>Alignment Lawful neutralLae'zel should be lawful neutral and Shadowheart should be true neutral imo. Lae'zel just follows Vlaakith's rules with no regard for morality. Shadowheart was brainwashed into believing that Shar is actually a *good* force. She believes that being embraced by Shar's darkness is a *good* thing. She thinks enemies of Shar are actually the *bad* ones. Still, she usually fails at doing Shar's bidding. She cannot torture prisoners properly. She helps her teammates when she shouldn't. She questions Viconia's teachings. She secretly helps animals in need. They have to keep doing a factory reset on her brain because she cannot be a proper Sharran.
>>527949154They all come from the nametranny. His hatred has no end. Praying he says away from the space game.
>>527949154>evil character is not monogamouswooooow
>>527945106You didn't even listen to what I said. She can physically remove herself from the proximity of the sharrans while she is on a mission. Instead of returning to the cloister after a successful mission, she can instead leave the city.
If she was being mind controlled while on missions, and only had the idea of leaving the cloister between missions before being mind controlled again, then she should have killed herself. A person who does evil deeds in order to save themselves is evil, and a person who is concerned with being neutral or good would die instead of becoming evil. So we're right back to square 1 of what I originally said. Because I've done this before. In order to save her own skin, she allowed herself to be coerced into being evil.
In a setting where the afterlife exists and your god rewards you for living by their tenets, it is better to kill yourself rather than live by tenets of another god who will either abandon you or send you to an afterlife that you don't agree with. A good or neutral person who kills themselves rather than be coerced into being evil will die neutral/good and thus go to the appropriate afterlife. A person who saves their own skin by allowing themselves to be coerced into being evil becomes evil.
Before you meet them, Lazy Shart Asty and Minth are all evil. During the events of the game, Lazy Shart and Asty have options, depending on player intervention, to become Neutral. Minth stays evil.Shart never becomes Good, she either retains her evil alignment and becomes a justiciar, or she chooses a neutral lifestyle by retiring on a farm.
40 years in a sharran cult, allowing yourself to be coerced, means you're evil. The fact that outside actors are trying to coerce you to be evil doesn't absolve you of being evil. You allowed it to happen to save your own skin, because you weren't brave enough to take a stand. Welcome to dnd alignment.
>>527950249How many times have you killed Shadowbaby in your games
>>527949574>it's vlaakith's fault toad is vile to the point of being the only who insists on killing the owlbear cub ackkkk
>>527949574>Lae'zel just follows Vlaakith's rules with no regard for morality.Nah, she's into violence and dislikes helping people, she's just not as extreme as Astarion / Minthara who disapprove of every good deed.
what should i reroll shart to? im playing as gale whomstve i made a rogue
>>527950446Zero. She happily saves her parents and retires on a farm in all of my playthroughs. Discussing some facts of the game and dissolving some waifufag delusions about the character doesn't mean I hate the character.
Additionally, this current topic is not Shart specific. If Wyll, Astarion, whoever was the one who was in a sharran cult for 40 years, I would be talking about how that makes you evil. It doesn't matter which companion, so it's not related to liking or disliking Shart. It's just a fact that being a sharran for 40 years makes you evil.
>>527950249Where did you get the idea that a neutral character must choose to kill themselves over self-preservation? That fits the description of a good character, not a neutral one. Not that it necessarily fits Shadowheart's situation, of course. Shadowheart says the Sharrans *saved her life*, but the reality is she got brainwashed by them. It's a Stockholm Syndrome scenario.
uh karlach you can't say that in front of shart
>Shadowheart literally groomed and brainwashed as a child to be Shar's chosen
She should have known better! This is why this dumb bitch is going to hell! I am a morally superior paladin btw.
>>527951306Doing Evil deeds in the name of self preservation is Evil. You can't be Good or Neutral if you're already Evil.
It is a stockholm situation, the root of the Evil is ultimately still Viconia who coerces Shart into being Evil. But Shart accepts being coerced into being Evil, and thus becomes Evil. Viconia succeeds in her goal, and Shart lets her.
>>527948287hobgoblin
singular
also she was mind controlled by the tadpole, so it doesn't matter
>>527950583wrong she's into completing objectives, violence is just the universal truth
Its okay to blame all of Minthara's evil on a tadpole but not years of brainwashing for Shart. I see how he is.
>>527950249NTA but you're simply grasping at straws at this one.
Your entire premise hinges on the fact that Shart consciously chooses to save her own skin over that of other people, but that is not how this is portrayed, at every step it's shown that she was either outright brainwashed, manipulated or received a mind wipe when she did act out, meaning she went back to square one.
Which in itself makes it damn difficult to realize you're on the wrong side whenever you get remotely close to realization, people reset your hard drive and you have to figure that out yet again.
Shart was basically living groundhog day, except she's not realizing that it keeps repeating.
You can argue that her doing evil things overrules anything but continously presenting
>she should've killed herselfas a remotely legitimate option is plainly retarded.
Like seriously, if you think Shart is evil because she was in a cult for 40 years, go ahead, it's a tough stance but one most people can follow.
However, this entire talk of her *somehow* breaking away from the cult is so fucking stupid.
>>527951975yes because like astarion the tadpole has 100% control over you
shart retained free will under viconia
>>527952083>NTAyeah that's a lie
>>527951678>Doing Evil deeds in the name of self preservation is EvilNo, this would usually be neutral if the other option was death. Killing yourself to avoid an evil action is good. Committing an evil action only to save your own life is neutral. Committing an evil action for the hell of it is evil
>guys doing evil isn't akshully evil!
Why does he debate with himself.
Namecel would say victims of domestic violence deserve it for staying at this rate.
>>527952431Did IMG_XXXXposter deserve it?
>>527952906Yes attention whores deserve it
>>527952083I already explained why killing yourself is the correct course of action. It's in this post, third paragraph
>>527950249.
>her doing evil things overrules anythingYes it factually does, under the way alignment works. It turns out that doing a lot of evil things over time means you're evil. Saying "Vconia told me to" doesn't un-do what you did. Dnd alignment is actually rather simple, if I were to criticize it it would be that it's TOO simple, yet we still have these sorts of conversations every time it comes up. Your actions are weighed on a scale, the act itself matters more than the intent, and the amount of Evil you bring into the world is ultimately what determines your alignment.
Shart is evil before you meet her, and the reason she is evil is because has been committing evil deeds for 40 years. It cannot be simpler than this. We the player have the opportunity to help her turn away from that life, because to her credit it's not actually the life she wants to live because she's not fundamentally evil of her own free will, but kinda sorta not wanting to be evil but doing it anyway because it saves your own skin is still evil. That's the part people seem to be having trouble with.
>>527952195That isn't the way it works in dnd. Or real life, but that's an entire second can of worms and if you think doing something evil to save yourself isn't evil then you're not ready for the irl version of this conversation so I shouldn't even bring it up. As it pertains to dnd, Evil is Evil and has an actual source and list of things it does and doesn't do. If you do something Evil, the metaphysical energy that affects the material world known as Negative Energy is strengthened by your deeds, and thus you are serving Evil whether you meant to or not. It's a measurable scale and intent is secondary to the act itself. You don't suddenly retract the Evil you added to the world because you totally didn't mean it.
>>527952256If you are being coerced into some kind of bad action and would not commit it without that coercion, yes, you neutral and not evil. A good aligned character would commit suicide, not necessarily a neutral one. This is like saying a neutral character must commit suicide before doing any good deed, lest they become good. Kind of retarded, right?
Shadowheart is chaotic evil non-monogamous evil stupid bitch who loves goodberries and should have known not to get kidnapped as a child.
At age 19 she should have realized the Sharrans were bullshitting her, dumb bitch.
Since I am so good I save her from the Sharrans. Her soul is forever tarnished unlike my beautiful wife Minthara. After the game I forced her on a farm with her dying old parents because I am soooooo benevolent.
>>527953170actions is what determines your alignment
not what you say your alignment is
>>527953170>a neutral character must commit suicide before doing any good deed, lest they become goodIf a neutral character valued being neutral and was opposed to being turned good, then yes that is in fact exactly what they should do. If it was actually meaningful or important to them that they not become good, then they should absolutely kill themselves instead of letting it happen. You're very close to understanding but you're not quite there yet.
it's literal misogyny if you don't let shadowheart get her fill of goodberry
>>527953687He's a misogynist if you haven't noticed
I would sexually submit to karlach irl.
>>527953989>puts fingers up your ass without asking firstaiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee
>85% hit chance
>miss like 90% of the time
Now either I'm bad at math or something isn't adding up here. And yeah Karmic Die is off.
would Karlach make a good mother and housewife?
>>527955389You can't, no man can compare
>>527955389child kidnappers can usually be found in prisons
How can you not like this qt?
When you really think about it, literally every child in the world is groomed. Its not like children just grow up in a vacuum, yknow?
>>527951569>I am a morally superior paladin btw.Yes.
>>527956223don't like liars
>>527956223Too old. She's like too farty in human years.
Man pure Hexblade is kind of shit. I feel like I'd just get more out of being a Eldritch Blast spammer.
>>527947375You'll have my permission soon.
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>>527957896woah buddy you cant do that
>>527953091Looking at the official ruleset, chaotic neutral is defined like this:
>Chaotic neutral (CN) creatures follow their whims,>holding their personal freedom above all else. Many barbarians and rogues, and some bards, are chaotic neutral.Coercion is already a weird situation where virtually all of the character's freewill is being stripped away anyway. If I held a gun to a man's head and told him to kill either his wife or his daughter, and he chose to kill his wife, how does the alignment hit stack up? Do I get 100 evil points while he gets 10 evil points? In Shadowheart's memories, she's shown to be doing both good and evil actions. Many evil actions are not performed adequately. The ruleset doesn't even consider stealing from the rich to be evil at all.
>>527957896MADE for big orc cock
>>527960682And the rest of the neutral alignments are defined like this:
>Lawful neutral (LN) individuals act in accordance with>law, tradition, or personal codes. Many monks and some>wizards are lawful neutral.>Neutral (N) is the alignment of those who prefer to>steer clear of moral questions and donāt take sides, doing>what seems best at the time. Lizardfolk, most druids, and>many humans are neutral.For true neutral, "doing what seems best at the time" is pretty vague. This could just mean self-preservation or whatever benefits you.
>>527956223contrarianism is a mental illness
shadowheart derangement syndrome is just an outlet for that
do they fudge the numbers on tactician mode or something? i have karmic dice turned off
>>527960682If you point a gun to someone's head and tell them to murder their family, the correct course of action is to refuse and be shot. That way, you die whatever alignment you already were, and you go to the afterlife you intended for yourself.
If you allow yourself to be coerced into committing an evil deed, you now have an evil deed on your soul. Coercion is not a justification for an act, when you had the option of dying instead. It's much better to avoid all Evil on your hands and instead just choose to die. Someone cannot make you do anything, you are ultimately responsible for your choices and your actions, and as a result, your alignment. Nobody can change your alignment but you, and your actions determine your alignment. You get shot in the head and go to your good/neutral afterlife, your family is shot and they go with you. The only evil actor in that scenario is the guy with the gun.
Viconia cannot change Shart's alignment. She's incapable. You cannot change someone else's alignment, you can only set up a scenario where you encourage them to change their alignment themselves. Shart would be neutral if left to her own devices, and we see in the game she happily chooses to be neutral if you simply let her, but no matter how many times you disagree or come up with some analogy, it doesn't change the fact that actions determine alignment, and Shart did Viconia's bidding for 40 years. I'm sorry you don't like the way alignment works in dnd, I don't know what else to tell you. My recommendation is to be happy the game lets you shift her alignment, and be happy with the happily ever after ending you can get with her where she's not evil anymore. But if you ask me what alignment a sharran cultist is, who's been active for 40 years and currently desires to become a justiciar, I'm going to give you the correct answer.
>>527962520contrarianism is thinking its ok for your partner to dream about sex with other men
Why did you summon him back. We know Shart is evil and unlovable for dreaming.
>>527962686This argument misunderstands both moral philosophy and the nature of coercion in D&D alignment.
First, coercion fundamentally changes moral responsibility. If you force someone to do evil under threat of deathāespecially the murder of loved onesāthe blame lies overwhelmingly on the coercer. Both real-world moral systems and D&D lore account for this; being compelled under extreme duress is not morally equivalent to freely choosing evil.
D&Dās alignment system never claims that any evil act, under any circumstances, irreversibly stains your soul. In fact, almost every edition explicitly mentions intent, free will, and the capacity for redemption. āActions determine alignmentā only holds when those actions are truly voluntary. If a person chooses evil when they had a real choice, thatās alignment-shaping. When someone acts under credible threat, itās their will and intent that matter most.
The idea that you are always āultimately responsibleā even when your agency is destroyed by threats is a philosophical position, not a D&D rule. Even if you argue for a hardline take, most moral frameworks (including those in D&D) recognize self-preservation and duress as factors that mitigate or even absolve guilt. Refusing to acknowledge that removes all nuance and fails to account for why atonement, redemption, and gray morality exist in the game.
Lastly, āViconia cannot change Shartās alignmentā is a contradiction of the previous argument. If coercion cannot shift alignment, neither can it create evil acts for the victim. Alignment in D&D is a reflection of the soulās truest self, not just a tally of every act performed, regardless of context.
In summary: alignment is about choices made with agency, not about suffering at the hands of evil. Coerced acts under duress donāt define your soulāyour intentions and your freedom do.
>>527962708thanks for proving my point
>>527962686explaining individual accountability is impossible to browns
>>527962849yes that you are most guilty of what you accuse others of
Jenny's soul tainted and evil
Manthara's soul pure and honest
I feel like a retard, how come when I have the modifier to re-cast Hex without using a spell slot it always uses a spell slot?
>>527962686>If you point a gun to someone's head and tell them to murder their family, the correct course of action is to refuse and be shot>You get shot in the head and go to your good/neutral afterlife, your family is shot and they go with youAlright, but the guy in the first scenario saved his daughter. She gets to live on. You didn't answer my question from before though.
>how does the alignment hit stack up? Do I get 100 evil points while he gets 10 evil points?Surely there is a different impact on the negative energy in the universe depending on how the event occurred?
>>527962846You cannot force someone to do evil. You're still not understanding one of the fundamental parts of this discussion. The very fact that you lead with "If you force someone" means you're still not getting it.
Alignment is a reflection of an entity's habits, outlook, actions, and history. Unless it's an outsider, in which case it's literally what they're made out of. Every evil or good act you commit actually does tally on your soul, so you're flat out mistaken about that. But what I did not say, and you're misquoting, is that extenuating circumstance doesn't exist. I never said that. Extenuating circumstance does exist when tallying someone's deeds, and Shart has the extenuating circumstance of someone actively coercing her to be evil. I said that the evil ultiamtely lies with Viconia multiple times to allude to this, but it seems you need it spelled out. But extenuating circumstance stops being an adequate excuse once you've killed your umpteenth murder victim, small business ruining, blackmail, kidnapping, etc. You cannot be an active sharran cultist for 40 years and still keep on saying "I'm being coerced! Extenuating circumstance!". The excuse wears out eventually, once you've accumulated enough sin on your soul. I'm talking about the most heinous acts a person can commit, over the course of 40 years, and your response is to talk about how extenuating circumstances mitigate some blame. Yeah anon, we know. The issue is the amount of evil acts accumulated, of the worst type, eventually adds up. Shart had the option to die in an escape attempt at any point, yet she chose to keep going along. This is an evil act. We already know she had the extenuating circumstance of Viconia's manipulation, we've already taken that into account.
You've also fundamentally misunderstood "you can't change someone's alignment". That is a true statement. Viconia cannot change Shart's alignment, but she can manipulate her into making choices that do change her own alignment.
>>527963902>You're still not understanding one of the fundamental parts of this discussionindividual accountability is an alien concept to them
>>527963978Stop cheerleading yourself. its pathetic. You will never hold Minthara responsible for her shit anyways.
>>527963902Hereās the core problem with your argument: it treats moralityāand alignmentāas a numbers game, ignoring intent, capacity, and psychological reality. You're so fixated on rigid accounting that you miss why context matters, and why āextenuating circumstanceā doesnāt just fade away after some arbitrary tally. This is an oversimplification of both D&D and basic ethics.
Coercion doesnāt stop being coercion just because itās repeated or extended. If someone is subjected to control, threats, and psychological manipulation for decades, their agency is fundamentally compromised the whole time. It isnāt a simple ājust die insteadā situationāespecially after years of grooming, trauma, and lack of hope. To insist that āwell, after X murders, you should just let yourself dieā ignores how human beings (and sentient creatures in D&D) actually function. Nobody is a perfectly rational moral robot ticking off evil deeds until a quota is hit.
D&D has always made space for redemption, complexity, and the weight of circumstance. Alignment is about tendencies and will, not a ledger with a hard cutoff. Shartās history is tragic, shaped by relentless abuse, not free and cheerful evil. Even your own logic admits Viconiaās manipulation is real and potentāso you canāt then turn around and pretend that after some unseen line is crossed, Shart is suddenly wholly responsible. That's not how trauma or coercion works. The very idea that someone āchoosesā after decades of brainwashing is, frankly, a misunderstanding of both character psychology and how D&D intends alignment to work.
If you canāt see this, youāre missing a very basic, human element to the entire discussionāone that most people intuitively understand. Alignment isn't a soulless math problem; it's about will, choice, and circumstance. Thatās what sets heroes and villains apart, not just a tally sheet.
>>527963902>You're still not understanding one of the fundamental parts of this discussion.You're arguing with some other guy who's clearly making ChatGPT debate with you. I didn't write that
>>527964102holy it really boils down to muh feels
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>>527964258You're looking at the real deal now (Wooooo!)
>>527963373The guy is given the deal and chooses to die. He retains his alignment and avoids doing anything evil. Killing your wife or child is an evil act, and it's still an evil act with the extenuating circumstance that someone threatened you. It doesn't stop being evil just because someone threatens you, and someone who is truly concerned with not being evil has the option to die, and that's the correct option. All this tangent about it being 10 or 20 "evil points" misses the points. You shouldn't be concerned with tallying it like a spreadsheet. You, and the universe, knows when you've made an alignment shift. It's like when you know when you're dishonorable, without a spreadsheet keeping track of honor points. You know it when it happens.
The who, the what, the where, the why, and the how all matter to how evil a deed is. I never said otherwise. But the point is that 40 years in Viconia's service, doing the heinous things sharran cults do to people, means you have accumulated enough evil deeds, when you had a choice not to, to shift your alignment. It doesn't matter if it's 10 points per murder or 20, since you've been doing it for 40 years. You're getting sidetracked on the exact details when the exact details don't really matter here, she's had enough time, and the deeds themselves are of the most heinous variety, that even the fact that she had an outside actor telling her to do these things ultimately isn't enough to say she's not evil. And importantly, having the choice to die instead of doing the deeds you're ordered to by your coercer means you didn't really exhaust all options before avoiding doing the evil deed, which lowers the validity of the extenuating circumstance argument. It's true, there were extenuating circumstance, but as I've already said, we've already taken that into account from the first post.
do you think Shadowheart is a virgin at the start of the game?
>>527964624Basically. Eating ain't cheating.
>>527955375Yes, she is called mama K for a reason.
>>527964724Post more of this
>>527963978Realistically, refusing to protect your own child in order to "preserve your alignment" would be a deeply evil act. You might be even worse than the guy holding a gun to your head.
> All this tangent about it being 10 or 20 "evil points" misses the points. You shouldn't be concerned with tallying it like a spreadsheetI don't see why not? It seems like the shift to neutral or good or evil depends on some sort of objective measure of negative or positive energy you've put into the cosmos. The point of the question was to ask to what extent coercion would lessen this negative energy.
When /bgg/ dies where will he argue about Shaddy
>thread is alive again
>most of it Is Mintharafag's autism on full display again
>>527965285I'll keep destroying his pride in /tesg/
>>527965330>ignoring the pee>ignoring the shartrarians
>you canāt force someone to do [x]
a warning for dunking on your silly ass? really faggot?
>>527964102I literally just said the opposite. It's not about sitting there tallying "evil points", and if you think that's what I've said then you've fundamentally misunderstood yet again. Alignment is a reflection of your habits, past deeds, outlook, and tendencies. It reflects how you've handled things in the past, how you're likely to handle things in the future, and a general glance of your beliefs with room for nuance. When it comes to Shart, 40 years of keeping yourself alive at the expense of the people Viconia orders you to murder means your past deeds, likely your future deeds, how you've chosen to handle things, and a fundamental worldview at a glance (I am willing to do evil deeds for the sake of my own survival) means that you do indeed blip on the evil radar. I've explained this multiple times. Alignment is based on your deeds and Shart has 40 years of heinous deeds. Extenuating circumstance doesn't absolve someone of that much evil. Just like you keep repeating that I'm being too harsh on her, you are in the opposite direction whining about extenuating circumstance in regards to someone who has fulfilled 40 years worth of sharran missions. She's evil, because of what she has done. It's really that simple. I never said there aren't extenuating circumstance, I said extenuating circumstance standing, she's still evil due to her choices.
Refusing to do evil is not about "being a robot". If someone is trying to coerce you into doing something evil, then the correct course of action (if you really care about not being evil) is to disobey them, even if the threat is your life. I've already explained this. You're still not understanding if you think I'm saying to be a robot tallying your evil points. Be defiant to the end, and you cannot let someone else change your alignment. Defy them and die for it. Plenty, if not most, people in Fearun actually do know how the afterlife works and that they're best off sticking to their beliefs and dying for them.
some of you are dumb
but donāt forget: act 3 horrendous
All the attention whores are here now
>>527965869You keep insisting that because Shart acted under Viconia's orders for decades, her alignment must reflect those actions, regardless of how extreme the coercion was. You say you're not ātallying evil points,ā but your logic still boils down to this: enough evil acts, no matter the circumstance, mean youāre evil. That's the definition of tallying.
You also say alignment is about habits, worldview, and tendencies. But trauma and psychological domination form those habits and tendenciesāespecially over 40 years. When someone is shaped by relentless threat, indoctrination, and manipulation from childhood, itās absurd to argue they're making free, morally meaningful choices. Real people, and realistic characters, don't suddenly āchooseā self-sacrifice when their entire sense of agency has been systematically destroyed. In D&D, like in real life, evil deeds committed under coercion don't reflect an evil natureāthey reflect survival under impossible odds.
You claim the ācorrect courseā is always defiance and martyrdom, as if everyone has the clarity, will, or even ability to make that call after decades of abuse. Thatās an armchair, black-and-white takeāone that ignores how coercion warps not just what people do, but who they become. Most people in Faerun don't choose their afterlife; they're desperate to survive, often clinging to whatever hope or will is left. Shart's story is tragic because her choices were stolen from her, not because she gleefully picked evil.
In D&D, alignment isnāt a lack of empathy test. Your stance erases any real understanding of psychological harm, and treats victims of lifelong abuse as willing participants. Thatās not nuanceāthatās a rules-lawyer take pretending to be moral clarity.
>>527966093No, the obnoxious swine joking about sexual abuse is probably asleep right now.
>>527965068Refusing to kill your daughter is not worse than being unable to save her. Refusing to murder your daughter is not worse than the person holding the gun telling you to do it. You're at the point in the discussion where you're trying to make a point and you're saying things that you wouldn't normally say if you were thinking clearly. At all stages of the scenario, the only evil person is the person with the gun, and the only additional evil is if you choose to do the evil deed of murdering your family. The fact that someone threatened you into killing them is an extenuating circumstance, but it is not enough to make the deed not evil anymore. Extenuating circumstance just means it's not as bad, it doesn't mean it's not bad. Someone who values not being evil would avoid doing the evil deed at all, that way, all evil in the scenario remains on the person with the gun. You are not killing your family, he is. When he says "I"m only doing this because you refused!", he's lying. He's doing it because he chose to.
The extent doesn't matter, as I've already said. If you're hungry, and you steal an apple to feed yourself, that is less evil than the person who steals the apple and then smashes it, just to see the vendor fail. Obviously. We don't need to go on a tangent about the definition of extenuating circumstance. But alignment is dictated by your deeds, which form a habit, a history, an outlook on life, and a glance at how you as a person think and tend to handle things. If you steal an apple once because your crops failed, then you're obviously not evil. If you let your crops fail every year becausxe you've discovered you can just steal an apple, then you have had a fundamental shift in your worldview and you now have a new habit, and it's not a nice one. So you are in the process of shifting your alignment. Obviously the apple theft is not enough to shift someone's alignment, I'm giving an example of the difference between a tally and a habit/worldview.
>>527965208lord astarion my beloved
It would definitely feel really fun to cum and quiver inside karlach.
>>527966156>evil natureāthey reflect survival under impossible odds."Murder this person or I'll kill you" and you murder the person so you're not killed means you committed an evil act. "My life is more important than that person's life, so I will kill them in order to save mine" is an evil thought. Shart placing her survival over the survival of the people she was ordered to murder means she's evil. I've said this multiple times, and you're still repeating the same things.
If someone puts a gun to your head and says "kill that person", your only option to avoid committing an evil deed is to defy them and die. If you do what they say, you're comitting the evil act of murder. You're getting hung up on the fact that you would have the extenuating circumstance of someone threatening you, but you're not listening when I say that having an extenuating circumstance doesn't mean it's absolved or you're blameless, it's only slightly mitigating. You're still responsible for the murder, just with an extenuating circumstance. If you get into the habit of being coerced into doing evil deeds for the sake of your own survival, then guess what? What I've said a half dozen times: that habit would reflect a worldview, which is a willingness to commit evil deeds for the sake of your own survival over the survival of others, which is evil.
You're back to arguing against "free and willful evil" but that's never at any point what I claimed is happening. Viconia has always been the ultimate source of evil, and we've said multiple times Shart's default would be neutral. But she has allowed herself to be coerced into evil. That's literally what I said from the start.
>>527966461tell me a joke iām bored
>>527967390Youāre describing a thought experiment with clear, binary choices, but thatās not how peopleāor alignmentāactually work, especially under extreme, prolonged coercion.
First, youāre missing how agency is eroded under decades of psychological manipulation and threat. In the classic gun-to-the-head scenario, itās easy to say, āJust die and keep your hands clean.ā But in reality, when someoneās entire existence is under threat, often since childhood, their perception of āchoiceā is warped. Itās not āI value my life moreā; itās āI donāt believe I can refuse.ā That doesnāt absolve guilt, but it absolutely transforms it from āevilā to ātragic victimhood.ā
You keep saying extenuating circumstances āmitigateā but donāt absolve. But when the coercion is totalāwhen someoneās entire worldview has been engineered to obey or sufferāaligning them as evil is just misapplied moral absolutism. D&D alignment isnāt meant to flatten nuance like that. The gameās own literature on paladins, redemption, and atonement spells makes clear that intent and duress matter deeply.
If you honestly believe that āhabitually obeying under threatā means youāre now āevil,ā youāre taking a mechanical, hyper-literal approach that disregards how trauma destroys agency and reshapes the soul. Shart is a victim, not a villain. Evil isnāt just ābad deeds done.ā Itās about willful, meaningful choices. Otherwise, youāre saying brainwashed child soldiers or slaves are evil tooāwhich is an indefensible position, and I think if you step back, youāll realize almost nobody shares it.
You keep repeating yourself because youāre locked on a single, rigid formula for alignment. Most people can see the difference between someone who chooses evil and someone whoās forced into it, even if it happens again and again. If you canāt see that distinction, youāre missing a very basic aspect of how peopleāand D&Dās moral systemāwork.
>>527967512knock knock You got raped
>>527967512Knock Knock.
>Who's there?Astarion.
>Astarion who?Astarion who got boned...by a skeleton...BONED
>>527967512Iām not your boyfriend
>>527966468>Refusing to kill your daughter is not worse than being unable to save her. That's not what I said? I said you chose to not protect her. The gunman was going to kill you all if no choice is made and you let him kill everyone on purpose. Your wife was going to die anyway, but you chose to let the gunman kill your daughter too in order to "preserve your alignment". That is evil
>>527928334>Lightnot selune's domain
>Lifeone of selune's domains
>>527968105The joke is that astarion was run through (raped) by a skeleton in the service of a chinaman for hundreds of years, and the skeleton used his finger bone on astarion's ass to unman him. "Boned" is a popular euphemism for sex, so it's kind of like a double meaning, he "boned" Astarion by taking his booty.
it was a beautiful webbing
do we actually have a kill count for shart. what if she killed five sex offenders and one githyanki and thats it
>>527967589Chatgpt isn't keeping the arguments straight. I've noticed that's one thing it's bad at, despite its encyclopedic knowledge. It forgot that we already discussed how a person would know about the afterlife, so it trying to say "well it's my entire existence under threat" doesn't make sense it it kept that prior point in mind, like a human would. Your entire existence is not under threat, and we've already covered that.
Trauma also doesn't destroy agency, this is just hollywood platitude and initializes victims of abuse. Humans rise to the occasion and find ways to oppose the worst abusers and as someone who was a social worker that actually dealt with victims of abuse who were finally standing up to their abuses I resent this idea that someone can be abused and they lose agency. Chatgpt has legitimately bad advice on some aspects of life and it's the result of taking hollywood platitudes literally since it can't tell the difference.
>>527968408The brothel cursed us with neverending autism. See above.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ehWXsLtPoY&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
>>527968521Letās be honest: ājust stand up and get martyredā is the luxury of someone far removed from how real trauma works. You claim lived expertise, but your argument reads like the mental gymnastics of someone whoās never actually faced existential terrorāunless itās been at the bottom of a blender with an extra-large smoothie.
You keep circling back to the same rigid take: if a person could theoretically choose death over compliance, then the fact that they didnāt makes them evil. But that isnāt just simplistic, itās an actively harmful view thatās been rejected by every real-world system of justice and every nuanced RPG morality system, including D&D.
Your entire stance boils down to ātrauma is just an excuse,ā as if willpower is a resource you can simply order off the menu along with dessert. Real psychological harm breaks down agency and hope. Thatās not a āHollywood platitudeāāthatās observable, clinical fact. People whoāve lived through real abuse often cannot resist, for reasons that have nothing to do with being lazy, weak, or comfortable. Pretending otherwise isnāt tough-minded, itās just callous.
The world isnāt full of action-movie heroes. Most people forced into impossible choices by years of abuse, fear, or manipulation arenāt villainsātheyāre victims, and treating them like monsters just because you read the PHB a certain way isnāt wisdom, itās evidence you might be missing a few critical pieces upstairs. D&D, like real life, draws the line at intent, agency, and circumstance. You can keep saying āthey had a choiceā all you want, but it doesnāt make your take any less out of touchāor any less shallow.
>>527968626Did you laugh tho
>>527968521No one ever behaves like the afterlife exists. Ketheric is an especially retarded example of this. Dude ruined his chance to live in Selune heaven with his wife and daughter and used evil creepy Myrkul magic to bring her corpse back to life. Why even bother if Selune heaven was waiting for all of them?
>>527968840>but your argument reads like the mental gymnastics of someone whoās never actually faced existential terrorāunless itās been at the bottom of a blender with an extra-large smoothie.alright chatgpt that was kinda funny kek
Astarion getting raped is funny because he is a evil asshole.
Minthara getting raped is funny because (s)he is a evil asshole.
Karlach getting raped is funny because she is a evil asshole.
>lae'zel does the raping
uh based?
>>527969575Women can't rape
>>527969575lae'zel is the raped
Laezel tries to lick sweat ew
>>527968104You said
>Realistically, refusing to protect your own child in order to "preserve your alignment" would be a deeply evil act. You might be even worse than the guy holding a gun to your head.Which is not true. If you're unable to protect her, that's not worse than being the one doing the killing. Trying and failing to do the right thing does not make you worse.
This analogy isn't serving the discussion anyway though, since in this circumstance the correct assumption is that he's going to shoot everyone anyway regardless of what you do, so defiance is correct for that reason. A different reason, but the same conclusion.
A 5% chance of succeeding at grabbing the gun, and a 95% of failing and getting shot, is superior to acquiescing to any of his demands. Since the logical assumption is you're all dead anyway, he just wants to watch you kill your family before shooting you all anyway.
Getting back on track with dnd alignments, you and your family would happily float on to whichever deity your family worshiped in life after you tried to grab the gun and he shot you all. You're all together, in the correct afterlife, and the gunman has a ton of evil on his soul while you have none. This is not a bad outcome. And if the 5% chance succeeds and you grab the gun? Well now you get to kill him, save all his future victims, and you all get to live happily ever after.
>>527969032That's true in bg3, but it's a writing error, not a realistic sign of how one should act, given the setting. In other words, they wrote Ketheric to be illogical. The excuse is that he just so grief stricken that he stopped thinking clearly, and wanted them back NOW. He didn't want to wait to meet them again in the afterlife.
The writers didn't forget though, since one of the things you can say to him when you're convincing him to stand down is that Melodia wouldn't want what he's doing, and he basically agrees and is about to give up.
>>527970057Youāre moving the goalposts again. You started with ākilling under threat is evil,ā shifted to ādecades of coerced evil means youāre evil,ā and now youāre trying to reduce everything to a cinematic gun-grab moment where martyrdom is always ācorrect.ā Itās telling that your moral calculus only works in hypothetical scenarios rigged for black-and-white clarity, rather than the gray, relentless horror that defines real traumaāor the kind of long-term coercion Shart endured.
The idea that ādefiance is always correctā makes for a good fortune cookie, but itās lousy both as philosophy and as a reading of D&D. The gameās own texts are littered with examples of characters burdened by evil they were forced into, only to seekāand achieveāredemption. If you honestly think lifetimes of abuse or threat are just āexcuses,ā youāre missing the fundamental point: alignment is about will, not body count. If Shartās heart was always opposed to evil, and she finally breaks free, the only people whoād call her āevilā are the same ones whoād side-eye a battered woman for not leaving sooner. Thereās nothing noble or heroic in that kind of thinkingāitās just smug.
And letās be real: for all your talk about afterlives and ācorrect outcomes,ā youāre clinging to an abstract, rules-lawyer interpretation that ignores the whole point of storytelling, character, and even the source material. If you genuinely believe the only moral people are the ones who pick suicide over survival in every evil scenario, your worldview might be consistentābut itās also inhuman, joyless, and frankly, the sort of thing you can only maintain from the safety of a keyboard, never in real experience.
>Wait a minute... I HATED the grove!
>>527971462We can automate nametroon losing arguments every day, we don't need to do it by hand anymore. This isn't the stone age.
>>527972148can you at least ask it to stop using em-dashes? its overuse makes it look weird
>>527972238No, that's part of the bit, I want it to be as obvious as possible that he's arguing with chatgpt throughout the night.
>>527972378Arguing about his NOT waifu
I found Arabella's parents.
>>527972653walking on thin ice
>>527972653Why is Karlach male, Laezel bald and Astarion? gnome
>>527972378The format may have changed, but this is essentially the "merely pretending" meme - anons that can't even own up to being wrong on an anonymous website with few to no filters, so they fall back on the excuse of "heh... I was trolling you." You're just deathly afraid of having a real opinion that hasn't been regurgitated by an LLM. And of course, invoking Mintharafag's brand of autism isn't anything special either.
>>527972378I wanted to see if you were making chatgpt biased so I fed it the thread. It actually does hate his argument lmao
>>527973605how does this shock you? his argument is fucking retarded
>>527972653>karlach but could more than finger you>red'zel>gnomestarion
>not as culpable
still culpable tho
>>527973605Your reading comprehension is legitimately compromised anon. I literally said we've examined the extenuating circumstance, and that with those withstanding, the things she did for 40 years as a sharran cultist still qualify for an evil alignment. You get chatgpt to repeat what I already said, which is that extenuating circumstance do exist, and you cheer. I never said there are no extenuating circumstance, I explicitly said there were, and I also criticized dnd alignment of being simplistic but not that it literally has no regard at all for circumstance. It's extremely easy to say there were extenuating circumstance in Shart's case, which is why chatgpt said that, but this was never about there being none at all, and we've already went over that there were. It's really unfortunate your reading comprehension is so fried, and it's ironically likely because you ask chatgpt to summarize everything like this for you. And this is only going to get worse for the next generations who grow up with this, so they don't have a chance to develop reading comprehension before being exposed to this.
I have clearly stated that Shart's actions qualify a person to be evil, and the only argument against that has been that there are extenuating circumstance behind why she did what she did. That doesn't address the statement. We know there was, we all played the game and met Viconia and everything. The point is that extenuating circumstance don't prevent you from being considered evil if you still spend 40 years of your life doing the things sharrans do. Extenuating circumstance only help so much when determining these things. So repeating that she was coerced over and over doesn't address the problem. Having chatgpt say there were extenuating circumstance doesn't address the problem any better or worse than when you say the same thing, because nobody said there wasn't, and you can still do enough evil even with circumstance.
>>527974060It gave her a neutral alignment
>>527974374Bruh this is the first time I opened chatgpt today. I fed it posts in the thread
nah ai is gay
and so are you
>>527974374He's going to say he never uses it and only used it this once. These people have no integrity. Which is also why they waifu shart who wants to fuck people beside them and they defend her anyway
>>527974374Even AI thinks you are a retard, give up
>>527974781Look at this evil whore
>>527969598https://youtube.com/watch?v=YanJRtiqLuc
>>527974671But it's true. Some other anon was using it the whole thread
>>527974374>and I also criticized dnd alignment of being simplistic5e barely mentions alignment at all. Your whole debate is pointless. One DM may say Shart is evil and another may say she's neutral
Shadowheart is evil because all elves are evil.
>>527974374Me using your name got you mad
Here you go guys. This practically all 5e gives you. Decide for yourself where Shart fits
>>527976905Neutral evil is shart
>>527977069>do whatever they can get away with, without compassion or qualmsI would say no. Neutral fits better. Viconia killed her pet mouse and Shart's bitch ass broke down in tears
>>527976905Gale is lawful neutral
>>527976905We can have a civil discussion about morality or what "doing what's right" means, but alignments are largely outdated when it comes to describing nuanced characters. Quibbling about whether Shadowheart is actually TN or slightly Evil-leaning isn't particularly thought-provoking.
>>527977339Her tears were fake clearly
>>5279769055e has steered away from racial alignments, and this still says orcs are evil and lizardmen etc are neutral.
Additionally, 5e has also steered away from paladins having alignments, and this still says paladins are LG.
So you might be looking at an outdated list.
That aside, since it's irrelevant to the current discussion, this is just a broad strokes description of what sort of personality is attracted to each alignment. Another important aspect of alignment is what deity you follow, especially for clerics, and we can take a look at Shar's alignment and what Shar demands from her followers. We recall that Shart has been a Shar follower for 40 years, and is a cleric, and expresses a desire to become Shar's justiciar. With this additional information in mind, it's difficult to say that a devout justiciar
I'm not kidding or exaggerating by the way. Someone who eagerly desires to be a justiciar has an obvious alignment. If you jump at the chance to prove how loyal you are to Shar of all people, your alignment is obvious. This entire debate is really pointless when you simply check Shar's demands of her followers and remember that Shart has been one for 40 years. All the stuff about how she was brainwashed is pretty secondary to what she's eager to do in Shar's name if you don't intervene. The only reason it's an argument is because some people want to conveniently forget what she does if you don't intervene, and what that means definitively about her alignment. You have to stop her from killing Aylin and Isobel and last light inn and then saying a prayer to Shar asking how proud she is of her. That's enough said, if this particular character didn't have a dedicated waifu fanbase who omit certain facts if it sheds her in a negative light.
>>527978151It's from 2018
>>527976905Act 1 Shart is neutral. White hair is neutral good and DJ is chaotic evil
>>527978151I actually legitimately forgot that her killing aylin is the default. Alright fine she's evil
>>527978151You were her literal fag. You only turned against her because of 1 scene, shut up already. Your current waifu only fucks you if you kill 1000 Tiefling kids, shut up.
>>527976905>before act 2neutral good
>selunite lawful good
>sharranlawful evil
>>527978151>You have to stop her from killing Aylinyou can stand there like a tard and say literally nothing and she'll throw the spear away
>>5279787141. Nothing you said here has any relevancy to what I said.
2. There is nothing wrong or illogical with finding out more about a person and changing your opinion of them with new information. In fact, not changing your mind even if you discover new things is just obstinance, which is a negative trait.
3. Minthara actually does have sex with you in act 3 if you didn't raid the grove, and you can also get her marriage ending if you didn't raid the grove, so you're not even correct in your off topic shitpost.
Lae'zel >powergap> Karlach > powergap > Minthara > cuckwritergap > Shadowheart.
Conclusion: Swen should have let us throuple with Lakrissa and Alfira.
>>527979012That's actually not true. What she does depends on her accumulated nightsong points, and if you have zero nightsong points, the default choice is to murder aylin. If you have lower than 40 approval and less than 4 nightsong points, she kills Aylin. You have to accumulate approval and/or nightsong points in order for her to spare her on her own.
Here is the page explaining it all, since you are incorrect.
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Nightsong_Point
>>527979014>particular character didn't have a dedicated waifu fanbaseTranny that literally describes you. You obsess over female characters and ignore their faults but ONLY if you like them.
Iām tired of you trying to act morally superior about Shart because she broke your tiny incel heart.
>>527979260>What she does depends on her accumulated nightsong pointsok so there are indeed some circumstances where you can stand there like a tard and say literally nothing and she'll throw the spear away
>>527979184I thought Toadcels only liked Manthara wtf?
>>527979415If you don't tell her what to do, the game checks your accumulated nightsong points and approval. If you have less than 4 nightsong points and less than 40 approval, she kills Aylin. Which means if you don't intervene in the decision, by taking certain game actions to accumuulate these resources, she kills Aylin. Her default is killing Aylin, which is very evil.
>>527979316That's not true either. You have this weird caricature version of me in your schizo head. I have never claimed Minth isn't evil.
Everything I've said about Shart, from her interactions with Halsin to her devotion to Shar, are strictly factual taken directly from the game. If you don't like what I talk about in regards to Shart, then take it up with John and Larian.
>>527979465Game doesnt have enough justifications to even spare Minthara. She is a non character.
Larian either has to commit to an evil route or dont waste resoruces&time on halfassed characters.
>>527979715a lot of those point things are related to her recovering her memories. the wound flares when she remembers stuff. the noblestalk. the selune necklace
when you start act 1, she doesn't even remember she was brainwashed into wanting to be a dark justiciar yet
>>527979715>JohnGonna complain about him now? All Sharties yes you are mentally ill
>>527980289If you don't intervene and change her course, she kills Aylin, Last Light Inn, solidifies the shadow curse, and then happily says a prayer to Shar asking how proud she is. I'm sorry anon, her course is evil if the player doesn't intervene and change it for her. We can sit here all day debating the degree to which she was coerced into this route, but it doesn't change the fact that if you do not intervene to change it, she does these things and then seeks approval from Shar for doing it. I feel sorry for her and it's sad that she was driven to this, and we can start again on how other people lie Viconica share the blame, but I'm still going to call a spade a spade and say it's obviously evil. She is evil unless you intervene.
>>527978151>This entire debate is really pointless when you simply check Shar's demands of her followers and remember that Shart has been one for 40 years.Nitpicking, or maybe not, but you keep repeating that 40-year figure, which refers to the time she spent in the cult, not the time from which she was deemed capable enough to spread the message of Shar. One can reasonably assume she didn't start drinking the Kool-Aid - let alone being sent on missions - at the prime age of 8, and that she resisted indoctrination for a long time.
Maybe it makes no difference whatsoever where she lands on the alignment grid, whether she was an active agent for 40 or 20 years, but her present-day reluctance to commit truly evil acts casts a shadow (no pun intended) on the idea she was always a hardcore, aspiring Dark Justiciar at heart. It almost seems as if she's thinking, "I want to be recognized by mommy Shar!" rather than, "I want to usher the world into pure darkness and kill as many Selƻnites as I can."
>>527980838sure she becomes evil if she never remembers anything and shar is able to get a hold on her in the gauntlet. its more likely she just leaves the party tho since if you dumped her in camp the whole game i doubt you brought her to the gauntlet either
Waifus, Husbandos
Love & Harmony!
>When Sharran Shadowheart kills her parents, it is revealed that Shar's curse has plagiarized the souls of the Hallowleaf couple.
>Dear Mintharafag, there is no language barrier
>>527980842Your argument is retarded. Doing evil shit makes you evil, doesnt matter why you are doing it or how reluctant you are while doing it. Shart is a cult member who were senior enough to send on an important misson. And like Mintharafag says, only the player can effect her enough to reject Shar.
>>527981575>Shart is a cult member who were senior enough to send on an important missonDidn't Viconia say that mission was her last chance after decades of being a fuckup?
>>527981276We know what she would choose if you give her the choice, and it's evil. So saying "well if you never give her the choice, she won't do that" doesn't mean anything and it's not saying anything.
This reminds me of when people found out about what she says if you bring her to the brothel, and the response was "well don't bring her to the brothel and she won't say that". That's not meaningful. We know what she would say if you do bring her to the brothel, and it reveals her character. Simply removing her chance to say it doesn't change what she would say.
It's seriously an object permanence issue and you're doing it again. Taking away her ability to make the choice with Aylin doesn't change what she would do if you didn't remove the choice, and her choice she would make if you didn't take it away reveals her character. I don't know why this thread has object permanence issues.
>>527981765I haven't been paying attention to this latest string of shart shitposts but Viconia always had it out for Shart because she had Shar's favour and Viconia didn't like that. She (Viconia) pissed off Shar because she does things the way she thinks are best, and Shart was being groomed to be Viconia's replacement. Viconia probably sent Shart thinking/hoping she was going to die on this highly lethal mission without killing her herself and giving Shar a good reason to smite her or something.
>>527981798the second sentence was a throw away comment you weirdo. i acknowledged she will become evil at the end of act 2 if she remembers nothing and shar starts talking to her. i only said that cause she'll only end up that way if you literally never talk to her or have her in the party
>>527981570I missed you too, old friend.
Can you explain me why there is a /tg/ discussion involving the Namefag?
Today is not Christmas Eve.
>>527967512>fiend-zoned
Worthless attention whore slop post #2. No one missed that.
>>527981575I'm not disagreeing with Mintharafag about alignment, but I also don't think it's particularly interesting to assign a character to a square in the 3x3 alignment grid, and stop there. Let's say Shadowheart starts as firmly Neutral Evil - great, but that doesn't really encapsulate or describe what kind of person she is. Similarly, yes, wanting to become a Dark Justiciar, or even a Chosen of Shar, is unambiguously Evil with a capital E. But there are still degrees, nuance, which need to be accounted for. Ketheric was a former Chosen of Shar and he was a much worse kind of evil. Shadowheart is still mentally young - her evil is more naive, so to speak.
>>527979465that can't be true because i'm a toad lover and i like shart too
minthara has nothing noteworthy going on and her existence to me is ghaikshit tadpole receptacle
Astarion would be a flat-earther.
If I could fuck any bg3 character it would definitely be karlach. It would feel so good having dick twitches inside her flaming hot pussy.
>>527962654The enemies do get +2 to their attack rolls for some reason.
>>527963235Are you not selecting it from the right of your hotbar?
Playing with a 6 person team, and using the additional enemies mod.
I have enemy HP moved up to +100% (tactician has it at +30% by default), but I feel like thats not enough now that I'm level 9.
Any recommendations? I feel like 200% might be too much, but maybe 150%?
Cleric subclasses are really uneven. Death is decent, Tempest is outright broken, War/Light/Life are mid and then you got shit like knowledge/nature/trickery that completely and utterly suck ass.
Oh my fucking god. The grease vendor in the sewers just become hostile out of the blue. I have no idea what triggered it. This is such a tedious battle.
>>527991420Did you touch the coffin or pick up the skull that has the ghost follow you around and haunt you?
>>527991597I did touch the coffin but I was hidden. My party was half-way out of the grease pit when he turned hostile. I don't think I even noticed the skull.
>>527964724I really, really like this picture
>>527991931I don't know what you did to fully judge what happened but with the theft aggro mechanics, NPCs can notice shit is missing or moved, and then aggro based off of that too. So if you looted the coffin and he noticed something's missing, he could just get pissed off on principle.
Getting haunted by Sarin's skull would piss him off too but it's from Bareki not the coffin so I guess you don't have it with you.
>>527992603Could also be bugged. Just the other day I opened a barrel that was not in red and fucking Barcus aggro'd against me. I reloaded and opened the thing again and nothing happened.
I'm trying 12 bladesinger following this guide https://youtube.com/watch?v=BqgaPpUtt1o and the hit rate is abysmal halfway through act 3. I have 20 dex / 16 int and the hit rate bounces a lot. Initially like 80% turn 1 then drops to 30-50% second turn. Any idea what I'm doing wrong or a better guide?
>>527996834What's the math in the combat log say?
>>527996834Shadow blade right?
You might be moving into bright light, or the illithid passive favorable beginnings wears off after the first hit.
Can't believe this is a game for women. It would be way cooler if it was aimed towards men.
>>527996989>>527997061Oh thanks I figured it out. I was trying to use a trident and I guess those scale off str which is why my hit chance is low
>>527976905>lawful neutral>act in accordance with personal codes>chaotic good>act as their conscience directsso these are the same alignment?
>>527997672The narrative and the character writing? Yeah it does come across that way which is why its its weakest part and a disappointnment. However the gameplay is still pretty fun.
Speaking of which...
Shart's everything sucks
>in a good mood>i am le beacon of shining light and love and all that is good and cuteness>in a bad mood>i am le possessed by dark wicked energy and kill babiesIts like a child's reductive understanding of the humors and people just running wild with it and ruining archetypes along with it by implementing it
Does your proficiency bonus keep increasing for mods that raise the level cap? I can't find a straight answer on the ULC nexus.
>>527973210>>527973719They're my camp transmuter, bard, and pickpocket
what is the logical reason for Charisma to make Sorcerers cast spells better?
>>528018976That it's related to an innate power within them that doesn't correspond to any skill, and CHA is the closest of any stats to actually representing that.
Is murder hobo durge fun? It seems much less emotionally compelling compared to actually trying to fight it, at least at first
>>528021815>Is murder hobo durge fun? Probably the most fun you can have in your second run after you had a whole play-through to learn to despise nearly everyone.
>emotionally compelling lmao. There is nothing emotionally compelling about BG3.
>>528021815It isn't. There really is only one interesting path for the Dark Urge, which is to resist their murderous essence. Resisting the Urge makes for a compelling narrative, embracing it is self-indulgence - the realization of a power fantasy not too dissimilar to a Lae'zel/Shadowheart/Astarion who would "ascend." These paths exist because it's an RPG and your choices should shape the ending you get, but no one thinks they're interesting or worth a complete playthrough.
>>528021815Resisting is probably more interesting, but at the end of the day it's just a good campaign with a little extra flavor. Plus with the recent revelations about being able to do the Act 2 Durge quests while still saving the questgivers and merchants that would appear in act 3 that seems like a pretty interesting choice.
Finally got around to doing an asshole playthrough. That night with Minthara after the tiefling defeat was 10x times more interesting than any interaction with Halsin.
>Greetings player character I am Halsin, would you like to suck my huge elven cock and hear my vague intel about Moonrise and not even have me accompany you?!!
>>528031565You also get some dialogue with her when you next party with her that lets you get your relationship with her going much earlier on.
>>528034257>not siding with the thiefs because they're bad
>>528034339they are the petty thieves of bad. i am the pol pot of bad
>>528000483Lawful neutral abides by a code of ethics. Chaotic good does whatever they think is right at the time.
>>528035109I remember when lawful neutral meant abiding by the law of the land and chaotic good meant doing good even if it is against the law/tradition/whatever. Btw any character that follows a personal code of ethics is chaotic.
>>528035854>Btw any character that follows a personal code of ethics is chaoticEthics and conscience aren't the same thing. An ethical code is a set of rules that you don't break. A chaotic character wouldn't have an ethical code, they just do what ever they think is right in the moment
>>528039490>they just do what ever they think is right in the momentThat is just true neutral. Animals and sentient plants and such.
Conan is the quintessential chaotic character and follows his own code of ethics that he never breaks.
>>528040183If he has a strict ethical code that he won't deviate from under any circumstances, he isn't chaotic.
>>528040654He is chaotic because his ethics are are completely run counter to law and civilized society.
>>528041693Chaotic is basically "the ends justify the means" or "I do whatever I want". You don't have a strict code you abide by. No, your code of ethics doesn't have to be the law of the land. The 5e description quite literally just showed you that. If a character has a code of ethics that he ALWAYS abides by, even when he doesn't want to, he isn't chaotic.
if karlach is this experienced great war veteran why is she still level 1 when we meet her
>>528042248She is level 3. And she is lying. Wyll too.
>>528042248Same reason as the others. Wyll was a level 16+ warlock summoning hellhounds and killing dragons, and Gale was archmage of waterdeep and chosen of mystra. When they got infected, the tadpole messed with everyone's power. The only person who is probably similar to how they were before being infected is Laezel, who was a recent bootcamp graduate on an early mission in her career, so not much changed for her.
>>528042596Gale was fucked by the orb and mystra not the tadpole. The tadpole excuse is solely used by Wyll. I don't think Karlach ever mentions it.
>>528042769The tiefling children corroborate Karl's story of punching demons to death, and Shart successfully infiltrated Tunarath and fought their way back out under fire. All of them were high level before the game starts, and were nerfed by the tadpole, including Gale.
>>528043302I am pretty sure that Gale claims it's the Orb and or Mystra?
Shart was part of a team. Her levels varies because of the mindwipes(Applies for Durge too). She never mentions being more powerful than she is.
Karlach never gives and excuse for her weakness. Bad writing. The devil engine not working outside of the hells would be a good excuse but then you couldn't have the overheating plot.
Astarion never mentions being weaker although he is a 200 year old vampire and his mates are all level 11 or something.
Wyll claims that it's the tadpole but that is stupid because no one else says that or seem worried that they have become weaker because they were tadpoled. Other true souls make it a point of becoming more powerful and minthara seems to have kept her levels. It would make more sense if Mizora was fucking with him for the lolz.
Jaheira is ridiculously underleveled for a 200 yo adventurer and leader of the fucking harpers and no one bats an eye. Minsc is more powerful than her and he was petrified for 100 years.
Generally the levels are what they are because of convenience and Larian didn't bother to explain shit properly because they don't care enough to.
>>528042248Because this game's story, despite how excellently it is voice acted and presented, is really not that good.
>>528045286Gale says the tadpole has made all of them weaker in a party banter
>>528045545larian writers are low IQ
>>528046209I don't know who exactly larians writers are or if they are the same between games but it quiet clear if you played their older titles that they had a certain style that is almost completely absent from BG3. They didn't used to take their stories all that seriously accepting that their setting is kinda silly. And they were fun stories. Whatever they tried to do in BG3 was new to them and obviously they failed hard.
>>528045286Tunarath is the capitol of the gith and features Vlaakith's personal guard. If you infiltrate that and then fight your way back out under fire, you're high level. The character doesn't need to turn to the camera and say "I was high level".
Karl is referred to as Zariels attack dog and her being described as a heavy hitter on the front lines of the blood war is corroborated by her memories and by the teifling children who said they recognized her all the way from their time in Elturel. Karl was very high level before the game as well.
Wyll talks about slaying dragons and wrestling minotaurs, so he was high level as well. He also refers to summoning hellhounds, which astute players will remember is a CR3 monster, so that's no ordinary summon familiar cantrip. He was high level as well. He offers the explanation that the tadpole is nerfing their abilities, and it seems logical.
Gale is unclear how much it was messing with the orb and how much is the tadpole, likely a combination of both, but we know that he was probably the strongest pre-tadpole, given that he was archmage of waterdeep and Mystra's chosen, and peer of Elminister. He's probably level 20 before the game. Wyll, Shart, and Karl might not have been all the way to 20, they're probably 12+ though.
Lazy is the closest to her pre-tadpole self. She was probably level 3-5 before, given that she's a fresh graduate on her first quest, but she did finish creche bootcamp, and we see that the other gith students we meet in the creche are 3+.
Astarion is also a weird one. He's 200+ years old and was in the vicinity of strong magic and esoteric lore in the form of vampire covens. That amount of time and that esoteric magic could allow a person to become quite powerful, but we also know that Cazador intentionally kept them in the dark and would have ordered them to not ever even come close to matching him, so Asty had an actual artificial limit on his ability during this time.
>>528047535>might not have been all the way to 20, they're probably 12+ though.I doubt Shart was 12+, the entire cloister she's from isn't 12+ and she was considered expendable by Viconia.
I assume that the Emperor's attempt to steal the artifact coincided with the Sharran mission (or Viconia knew the date and aligned her attack force) and thus made it possible for Shart to successfully steal it.
After all, it was considered a suicide mission, so the odds were not even close to equal.
>>528047535> He offers the explanation that the tadpole is nerfing their abilities, and it seems logical.It doesn't. Minthara isn't nerfed. The Duke Ravengard isn't nerfed. No other true soul, prismed or otherwise is nerfed. The whole absolute plan wouldn't work if everyone tadpoled was deleved to level 1 to 3. Some have an excuse for being lower level than their background implies but most don't. Larian didn't give a fuck and coping for them isn't cool anon.
>>528045286In Jaheira's case, her relatively low level is easy to explain due to old age (the greatest debuff) and her being relatively rusty from not having faced a crisis of that scale in forever. Being the High Harper is more of an honorary title anyway. She could be their leader even if she no longer saw action. In general, it's better not to dwell on minor ludonarrative discrepancy (a term I just made up). The generic Flaming Fist mook is probably not level 10. Some NPCs magically gain 5 levels after reaching Baldur's Gate, while Aradin remains a level 3 buffoon. Levels serve as helpful abstraction but only to an extent.
>>528050715this is how this bitch looks when I have 3 centaurs run a train on her
>>528050715>Levels serve as helpful abstraction but only to an extent.DnD used to have rules about what a level represents in the world up to 3.5e. This little things helped a lot with immersion and constructing a believable world. Larian doesn't care because they make silly haha games and WOTC doesn't care because its whole thing with 5e was to make it as approachable to normies as possible.
>>528053462>that lae'zel neck tatlol
>>527976905Shart is Neutral Evil. Lae'zel and Minthara are Lawful Evil. Astarion is Chaotic Evil. Karlach is Chaotic Neutral. Gale is Neutral Good. Wyll is Lawful Good. Halsin is Neutral (Sexpest). Jaheira is Neutral (I refuse to give her neutral good after she sucks off the Gate's organized crime). Minsc is Chaotic Good.
>Karlach is Chaotic Neutral
soulcoins therefor evil
That's fair, I felt like I was already downgrading her because the writers clearly think she is good, which I refuse to give her for encouraging thievery and necromancy and generally anything else she arbitrarily supports because it will make her feel good.
Also being the only cunt in the game that will cut off your dialogue and try to make a decision for you.
Reminder that Gale doesn't object to you massacring the grove, innocent women and children included. He's only "moral" as long as it's convenient.
what evils has lae'zel comitted?
or are you simply judging her on her race
>karlach "let's her the slavers out" hillcliff
She is evil.
>>528056713She murdered her classmates in cold blood.
>>528057423uh no they underestimated her and so paid the price
>>528056713An eager jackboot of Vlaakith is lawful evil. But part of her story is swapping to Orpheus and he seems more reasonable than Vlaakith so her alignment could follow towards something more like LN.
>>528056114Gale isn't really NG. He advocates for generally good things and gives the impression of being good, but it's when it's convenient for him. He's quick to doom the entire world and kill millions by pulling Karsus 2.0 based on only a vague feeling of "Nah...I'd win this time", and he doesn't actually take a stand against killing the grove, he just feels bad after but quickly moves on with a simple speech check. So his alignment is interesting since you wouldn't say evil, but you wouldn't really say good either. Ambition is a neutral trait that can be used for good or evil, so his portfolio doesn't really answer the question either. Gale is most likely TN.
Karl is pretty straightforward CG. Her comments on soul coins are straight up ignorance, not malice or greed. She is one of the only people to take a stand against destroying the grove. She wants to punish evildoers and does so herself rather than going through proper channels. She ignores petty theft and scam artists and other minor crimes in order to make the children smile. She has some flaws but she is very much written with the CG manual open on the writer's desk.
>>528056629no you actually just bully him into submission
>>528056713i had to look at her face for hours
>>528056629He is a wizard form waterdeep, he is a go with the flow neutral BVLL like most chosen of mystra.
guess you won't mind a couple more hours then
>>528056114Minthara seems more neutral evil. Her being mind controlled by the cult doesn't really count for her alignment. Karlach is chaotic good. Gale is neutral. He can be convinced to raid the grove. In act 1, Shart does some evil shit but also wants to do a lot of good shit. It's hard to say she's firmly in evil, so neutral seems like a decent compromise.
For bladesinger, leather armor or cloth plus mage armor?
>>528061830fighter 1 for heavy armor
>>528061889>heavy armor>ever>on anyoneLOL
>>528058264>Karl is pretty straightforward CG. Her comments on soul coins are straight up ignorance, not malice or greed. She is one of the only people to take a stand against destroying the grove.minsc and wyll are the only good characters in the game. karlach will murder jaheira and minsc for you if you become bhaals chosen. she stays just cause she likes you
Finally getting into the game, does /bgg/ do co-op lobbies? I'm starting a honour mode monk, but I'd like to try out the multiplayer, but I also don't wanna join random lobbies cause I'm pretty much a noob
>>528062636why are you co oping if you're playing for the first time
>does /bgg/ do co-op lobbies?
>>528062898I played the first act like a year ago or whatever so I kinda know the gist of it, and I'm not all that interested in the story for its own sake. I just wanna fuck around or whatever. I also don't expect for a campaign started with people from here will go long enough to go past act 1 anyway to be honest
>>528062292What a character does in the absence of player intervention is worth looking at, since that gives us insight into what they're like and what they would choose. But using a very specific player-chosen scenario as insight into what a character thinks is a bit shaky, and that's especially true for Durge's unique content. We know that Karl idolizes Minsc and Jaheira, and her killing them is some strange and unique esoteric situation that is completely dependent upon player intervention.
Minsc, Wyll, and Karl are all varying degrees of good.
>>528062636Pub lobbies are people forgetting to set their lobbies private 99% of the time if we're being honest.
I'd join a /bgg/ lobby if we didn't have so many schizos and there was an in-game chat option.
A lot of /bgg/ players will probably also have 500 mods installed so that might be an issue.
>>528063941>Pub lobbies are people forgetting to set their lobbies private 99% of the time if we're being honest.Yeah I suspect that is the case. Is there no way to communicate in the game? I assumed there would be at least a simple text chat box. Eh fuck it, I guess it's not happening. I'll just start solo or whatever. Thanks anyway
>>528062183I wouldn't dip for it but Armor of Persistence is a good armor if better options like Bhaalist are already taken.
im gonna respec Lae`zel into a sweet and docile Life cleric
>>528065238I wouldn't dip for it since it blocks bladesinging
>>528065363Yeah I meant in general, it's obvious that for Bladesinging it's completely retarded.
>>528061830Wichever give the best bonuses.
>>528063710>and her killing them is some strange and unique esoteric situation that is completely dependent upon player interventionjaheira will try to sway karlach to her side and karlach will say no. the player doesn't intervene there. wyll always joins jaheira's side so that does give you insight into their characters
>>528064292There might be voice chat but they didn't bother with text chat this time. DOS1/2 had text chat. They just chose to leave it out this time.
what the hell you can cast Warding Bond on someone then leave them at camp? Isn`t that obscene?
>>528066695>They just chose to leave it out this time.LMAO more cut content
no refunds
>>528066730It's called "camp casting" (and you can camp cast other buffs too) and yes, most people consider it as cheating. It creates a never-ending argument about how it is or is not okay.
>>528045545the casting director for the voices deserves more credit for larian than anyone
>>528066806It's the age of Discord.
Also I doubt you can play together well with text, honestly. The moment you start talking about builds, it'll take 20 years to discuss, and strategy talk will also require pings and shit and that shit can't be time-agnostic like text. Such is life.
Could have a text chat mod I guess, or steam overlay, or......Discord text overlay, and then it's back to just why not use voice chat. Of course, we have reasons to want to avoid voice chat but all roads of convenience lead to voice chat. Sucks for us but I also get why Larian didn't bother.
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>>528066730You can do it with hero's feast, death ward, aid, and freedom of movement as well.
On the one hand, it's obviously very powerful and can mess up the game's balance.
On the other hand, there's rules for it in the real rulebook and it makes logical sense to cast some of these on people you were helping save the world.
I think aid and hero's feast make sense and fall within the way the spell was meant to be used, while warding bond is cheesing it a bit since the spell is supposed to have the downside of splitting the damage to the caster and you circumvent that by leaving them at camp. So you can use your discretion on what feels natural vs what feels cheesy.
>>527974374Your entire argument is the intellectual equivalent of reading one paragraph of a novel and thinking youāve understood the whole story. Yes, you keep saying āextenuating circumstances exist,ā but then you instantly hand-wave them away when the actual details get inconvenient for your take. Itās like recognizing a rainstorm and then blaming someone for getting wet.
Hereās where your reasoning falls flat: you treat extenuating circumstances as a checkbox, something to note and then ignore if the ātotal evilā passes some arbitrary threshold. But thatās not how moral judgment - or D&D alignment - works. The weight of coercion, trauma, and lifelong manipulation fundamentally changes what it means to āchoose evil.ā Itās not a footnote, itās the entire context. You might acknowledge it, but you never actually let it change your conclusion, which just exposes the shallow, mechanical way youāre looking at this.
And your idea that āenough evil acts override any circumstanceā is less a moral stance and more a stubborn refusal to deal with complexity. You see a ledger, not a life. The result is an argument so rigid and binary it could double as an IEP worksheet.
Youāre convinced youāre arguing nuance, but all youāre doing is reciting the same ābad actions = evil alignmentā formula, regardless of how or why those actions happened. Thatās not advanced reading comprehension, thatās moral color-by-numbers.
So sure, keep circling this drain. Youāre not actually engaging with the real question - youāre just locked in a loop, like someone trying to brute-force a social interaction using a script and missing the point every time.
I still think that wyll should be a rogue
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Rath is 10 times hotter than Wyll. Would suck Rath dick
>>528067634Withers should only allow you to use hirelings if you have less than three party members in camp. Easy fix.
>>528069694How is that a fix? You can still use your other party members.
>>528068270Wyll has to heavily multi-class to make sense. Another reason he's the black lae'zel.
>>528069520It certainly helps not having a fucked up eye and horns.
>>528072250"keep your hands to yourself" says ugly frogoid, yeah no problem dude...
>>528069520wyll looks like a freak no wonder no one ever romances him
>>528072334lae'zel is the one who rapes
>>528072402well yeah, she'd have to
>>528061331>Minthara seems more neutral evilShe seems to enjoy doing evil things in an ordered fashion, though the player can be a strong influence on her.
>Karlach is chaotic goodShe consumes souls, gets really angry at the player for trying to insinuate that it is not moral to consume souls, she encourages children dabbling in necromancy, she encourages children to engage in thievery and becomes incredibly hostile towards the player for not supporting it.
She gets chaotic neutral, and if you complain about it again she's getting chaotic evil.
>Shart does some evil shit but also wants to do a lot of good shit. It's hard to say she's firmly in evilShart tells you how weird it feels to have helped people after saving the Grove. You can take that to mean she isn't intrinsically evil and naturally would actually be good, but at the start of Act 1 she is entirely self-interested and generally evil.
>>528072530lmao you got raped
>>528073527seeing gay'ashell unexpectedly is kind of like getting raped, sure. people should spoiler tag it if they're going to post it, it's basically gore
good. everyday until you like it
you'll be waiting a very long time, you'll need some hardcore dementia to set in before anyone likes that
>>528072530Frogfags on suicide watch
oh don't worry brother it'll keep coming
>>527871161What is this knock dragon out of the sky achievement? I don't remember any situation like that.
>>528075154Sounds like somebody didn't explore Wyrm's Rock properly.
>>528075435>he believed in a fairytale
>>528072402>raped by cazador>raped by godey>raped by laezel grim
how many companions can you bang in a single run without glitches? i know i can do six, is seven possible?
is karlach a virgin when you first meet her?
is shadowheart a virgin when you first meet her?
Shadowheart's technically a pure virgin waifu because she lost her memory
yeah that's not how it works
Shadowheart didn't choose to be brainwashed and raised in a cult, spiritually she is a virgin and not evil which is why selune takes her in when shar abandons her.
>>528078987Do the twins count as 1 or 2?
>>528091171twins don't count but you can bang astarion and halsin there without ever romancing them so two
>>528091171where's daddy halsin?
>>528091306Just use the poly mod and fuck everyone.
And why don't the twins count? Are you saying Mizora or Haarlep don't count either?
>>528091475i asked how many companions you can bang without glitches. the twins aren't companions
>>528091554Well I bet you didn't consider that I only half-read your post, huh?
>>528078772>>raped by godeyboned by a literal bone, haha, isn't life strange
>karlach's first romance scene is still bugged months later
you have got to be kidding me
>>528093981three years of early access and going on two more years of constant patches, hot fixes, etc.
I am interrupting your sexposting to ask a game question. This is the first time this has ever happened and we have zero fucking idea what to do about it.
>Friend hosts multiplayer run
>This is like our tenth BG3 run
>After a few hours I encounter a weird bug where I cant walk, only jump
>Have to be pushed by someone to fix it, and sometimes killed outright
>Other people start having it happen to them too
>Now im sometimes unable to pick up items and cast spells even though I have the slots, and yes proficient in armor
>And now its happening to them too
I know it sounds like a creepypasta in the making but im lost at what to do. We have all tried verifying files. No mods are in use. It feels completely random.
>>528094640The first part sounds like the issue where your internal position is clipping through the geometry, probably under the floor, and you're considered stuck and shit. That's pretty bad. The unable to cast shit is probably coming from having no line of sight according to game internals. This is related to the same shit that breaks auto-follow on companions. I don't know of a good way to fix it in vanilla. In theory, you could modify your coordinates in the save file but I wouldn't know if it's just one set per character or if there are multiple (e.g. world position, model position, auto-follow tracking information, etc.) so I can't offer any better help than that.
Is this all in one session or have you reloaded, or had the host do a full game restart yet? Did it continue after that, or did it get fixed for a few mins before starting again? Did you have any wacky jumps/clipping/explosions/elevator mishaps flinging people into weird corners around when it started?
Do you get the option for Orpheus to kill you, if you take ceremorphosis?
>>528075835>he believes everything the squid tells him
>>528096754To add onto what I said, the only way that I know of that'll fix the issue is to reload to a save where you never had that issue come up because that shit is like a cancer that'll stick to you forever and start affecting others. Going back to a point where shoving you "fixed" it. That's not good enough.
>>528094640>my game is brickedOk. So reload a backup save
>>528094640unload all mods and see if it works in vanilla
>>528094270i looked at the story file and i'm not quite sure why it's broken. the camp event should trigger at 30 approval... except it doesn't. i can still romance karlach at the party but that cuts off my cheese strat for shart's romance after gale and karlach in act 2. can't believe my glitchless whore playthrough died to a bug. if this bug didn't exist i could've worked around the romance flags and banged everyone except wyll
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Have they fixed the bug where minthara has the same dialogue over and over again yet
>>528098054It's probably a bug in the actual function checks or something. The wiki mentioned that if you were considered "dating" or didn't reject any other companion, Karlach would always reject you if you literally never talked to said companion. I read up on this recently after getting cucked for like, the fifth time.
>>528096754This is across multiple sessions, long rests, etc. It almost seems like it comes and goes. It actually did start when I broke a bunch of boxes and picked up one of the items that was buggily bouncing around. Which one again sounds like a creepypasta but thats when it first started happening to me, but then randomly others later in the session+next one.
>>528097515Its honor mode and even if thats possible thats cheating
>>528100981>thats cheating
>>528100981Sounds like someone learned a valuable lesson about ironman mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoIOlRnwpio
>>528100849Yeah you're stuck with it forever then. The issue is probably going to follow the character until the end. Sounds like a combination of physics glitches (jiggling item) + desync. When you go up to pick up an item, BG3 is very retarded about it. It doesn't just check if you're within your character's pickup radius, the item itself also has an internal position that is vastly different from its visual position (just like your internal position and model position being different). This is why when you're trying to pick shit off shelves, your character just randomly paths to the floor above it and shit or just says it's impossible.
So when you go to pick it up, it will path you to the hidden position before picking it up and when it's jiggling around like that, it might get fucked because it would path you to a good spot, but the time you pick it up might have the item's position be somewhere else (and thus have a different pickup spot), and thus, the game fucks your internal position be the new spot instead of your current spot. Then this offset follows you around forever. Theoretically something like a full map/region change might fix it, but so should something like dying+teleporting like when you're res'd by Withers so who the fuck knows how to fix it if trying that doesn't fix it.
>>528100981IMO, something like an Ironman run's moral high ground about no savescumming only applies when assuming the game fucks you in the ass with unintended bugs and glitches. You literally can't play properly. This isn't about a bad dice roll that you have to go with the flow for, it's an error.
>>528101669*when assuming the game DOESN'T fuck you in the ass
Whoops.
>>528101669I didn't try being fully killed and ressed by withers yet, only partially downed. I'll try that as a last resort and if not ill ask if they want to just restart since were still in act 1. I can see why this never happened before since we usually never break boxes. But I really wanted to smash things as owlbear and became fucking haunted as a result.
>>528102157>I didn't try being fully killed and ressed by withers yet,That did fix a problem I had with smites not triggering a reaction option.
>>528098424>The wiki mentioned that if you were considered "dating" or didn't reject any other companionlord i just looked at the wiki and yeah it said the scene i'm trying to get is bugged AND the breakup scene in act 2 is also bugged. apparently it has been bugged since patch 6. wtf larian. i'm tempted to force queue the scene but that's against the rules of the run
>>528102157IF it's the cause (we don't actually know if this was the issue), it was probably picking it up while it was ragdolling. Don't touch any ragdolling objects or corpses. The game eventually stops the ragdolling (theoretically) so you can just wait a few seconds before touching them, or you let the host pick it up.
Also on the subject:
- Don't get exploded and flung around into weird corners
- Don't try to parkour into parts of the map that you usually can't get to
- Don't parkour onto boxes and then have the boxes break or get moved around
- Don't try to parkour with stacks of boxes
- Don't use Group Hide if you have companions with you. Always hide manually one by one and/or separate groups before sneaking (if at all). Getting into a fight with Group Hide activated has a risk of breaking auto-follow. Death also definitely doesn't fix auto-follow glitches.
- Don't get on elevators and moving walkways all at the same time. Always have one designated survivor wait for the other 3 to make it across first.
- Don't try to jump or walk along tiny ledges. Often, physics glitches will have them slip off the ledge and fall and then teleport back, which can be the beginning of the end.
- Don't do things simultaneously with other players or NPCs in an attempt to race them to doing something (e.g. moving shit, attacking). The game is bad with race conditions and desync.
If it's not Honour Mode, you can always just reload at the first issue but in Honour Mode, you have to be vigilant the whole time. Sucks for you but haha Larian hasn't fixed this shit in years.
bang #2. used another work around
The Shadow Curse event is such bullshit, it's probably the only difficult part of the game without cheesing because all the fucking undead harpers are somehow able to damage a magical portal with their fucking crossbows. And they can't miss because the portal is an object. And everything focus fires the portal if they have a path to attack it.
>>528113747Depends what do you consider cheesing. AOEs trivialize this fight and if you lack them just drop darkness or mist on the portal and form a line.
>>528113747It's not cheesing, it's prep time. You're literally told to set things up so that you can maximise your chances of winning. The undead mobs are using it against you, why don't you fight back? Don't be a cuck.
>He doesn't just up cast cloud of daggers every fight
>>528113747>>528114141Bruh, a druid with her druid pet girl and get them to double up on the spike growth.
Or wall of fire.
That fight is just easy XP.
>>528114334>>528114141My point is you need to know ahead of time to spam AoEs ahead of time. And I'm not even saying it's too hard in general, the fucking crossbowmen being able to just focus fire on the portal pisses me off.
>>528114554I always cast hazard zones+Darkness on the portal after the battle has started and I never had any problem.
>>528114554Unless you're one of those cocky wannabe pro e-sports D&D gamers playing blind HM as first playthrough, I don't think it matters. You see the shit coming, you fail, then you reload and try again. It's not a big deal especially since it's also only 5 turns.
>>528114307>he isn't a war casting BVLL
>>528114245>still using 2nd level spells after lv 5Anon pls
Fire Wall gets way better coverage for the portal fight. There are several scrolls you can pick up before you reach the inn. That shit is a free win.
>>528114307>needing concentration when you have high AC
>>528113747use fire wall close to where the archers come from.
all the archers end up dying trying to get close enough to shoot the portal.
>>527915180>One time a friend summoned Zevlor into the final fight in an Honour ModeLOL
For me, the only annoying instances is, again, saving the one woman that doesn't even count toward the achievement, and then what can *potentially* go wrong during the Last Light attack. The winged horrors or whatever, most of the time they're dealt with on turn 2 or they don't really pose a threat to Jaheira or a Harper. But SOMEtimes, they'll decide to target a refugee and can chunk their low-ass health.
The prison break is easy, to me. Because you can speak to Wulbren/the tieflings in turn-based mode so the patrol can't interrupt you, as well as give Wulbren his hammer. Then when the warden runs to her office to open the cells, you fight her and three guards, easy peasy.
>In terms of difficulty of keeping them alive, I would rankThe first two, yeah. I've only fought Lorroakan once, and it was a dumpster, Rolan was never in any danger. Not that I wasn't worried, obviously, if our initiatives weren't busted with Alert he could very well get disintegrated.
>>528121258Honestly you can just pick off every cultist member in the basement one by one before you even talk to Wulbren.
>>528113747>everything focus fires the portal if they have a path to attack itThere's, like, two scrolls just lying around for you to pick up.
Shouldn't sex before marriage break mintharas oath?
>>528123809minthara took fat demon cocks to celebrate her college graduation
>>528125715Pretty sure that's only a ritual for clerics.
>>528121258Yeah the worst part about Last Light isn't the Winged Horrors specifically but the fact that the refugees like Cerys decide to start fighting them and die to stunlock. Claws have a Stun chance so they just run over to die. My first time, I put Sanctuary on them and they barely lived. The ones after, usually I just dps hard and kill the horrors quickly but again, sometimes the lemmings come running.
Oh and one time, I put up Fire Wall and fired a Fireball and then realised that a tiefling who ran underneath Isobel's room (aka. the Flaming Fist room) died with the rest of the Flaming Fists because the game doesn't do verticality right so both spells mass-murdered the whole room. I have a knack for running into every dumb inconvenience possible in video games.
>you can speak to Wulbren/the tieflings in turn-based modeI'm usually playing multiplayer so people turn-based mode is used almost never, so that never occurred to me. That makes so much more sense. We usually spend a lot of time stealthing and waiting for guards to die solo without triggering a stupid fucking chain of alarms + alerting the eyeballs.
Lorroakan fight's problem is Rolan getting clipped by an AoE, really. The Myrmidons rarely target him first but Rolan looooooves to run up to their faces, and because we're next to the Myrmidons to fight them, he gets hit by the AoE spells. We could tank it or not care about dying but man, having to care about NPCs is always annoying.
Why did you exclude Karlach from the promotional poster?
>Shatter group of 5 enemies from hiding
>only 1 of them enter combat
>other 4 remain out of combat then go on to heal
>>528151078little shit like that irk me to no end on honour mode. I had Raphael on the ropes and I made the mistake to cast Planar Binding on him. Which ended the battle and everyone automatically gathered around the mc only to be killed in a few seconds as Raphael succeeded his next turn wis save.
/ourceo/ called neuralink trash
>>528123809Irrelevant after that hobgoblin filled her cervix.
>Double health Orin didn't even managed to do a single point of damage to my Durge
What an embarassing display. At least she managed to kill 2 of my skeletons and hurt my Deva a bit I guess.
Challenge of the day #1: Collectively post more than 120 replies in 24 hours, otherwise we will be officially considered a zombie general.
Challenge of the day #2: Name one redeeming quality about Astarion.
is there any unique dialogue option for humans?
>>528174257>Player: I'm, eh - Jack... Humanman., REALLY_HUMAN, MALE>Player: I'm, eh - Jane... Humanman., REALLY_HUMAN, FEMALEThat's as good as it gets.
>>528174732It seems that there is a correlation of how alien a race is deemed by the setting and the number of unique scenes. Which makes sense.
>>528171390Speaking of double health, is there a mod that has sort of level scaling?
I dont want double HP enemies at level 1, that would be too much HP.
But at level 12 I feel like I need enemies to have more than just double HP.
>>528176158Tactician Enhanced has party scaling, but there's enough options to suit your HP desires for normal parties. Even has stuff like additional enemy actions and bonus actions if you're daring.
>>528187015This but Shadowheart.
>>528192520that's not how the opposite day works
you were supposed to post a lie
Voss vs Laezel in the Upper City
https://youtu.be/dM-GEnvlkRM?si=Vm1pvUK7TycyFUq0
For some reason it won't let me press "confirm" while customizing orc Halsin
>>527863237>>527873175>>527916724also got this one on my first successfull honor run. if you care to complete the game the intended way there really aren't many ways for it to fail. i think mirkon is the only one that's kinda hard. other than that it's just a good guy playthrough
>>528192520The silver of the moon... the shadow of the night.
>>528172393#2 he actually stops trying to suck your blood if you tell him to stop
>>528193802wait when do they fight
>>528122017tried this. couldn't get the stone wall to be allowed next to the portal. i still managed to dps the archers, but barrels are far more consistent
>Cute female aevendrow that is a cosmic sorcerer, will romance Gale and become gods.
>Male Gith, mystic of the order of ascetic monk, will punch through all enemies and romance Lae'zel
What's for my next playthrough? Both sound nice but I heard drow mostly only have dialogue flavor in act 1 while gith have good amount in all acts.
>>528200760male gnome and shaddy
>>528200760No one wants to see your male anything.
finally beat the game. act 3 is so bad its not even funny. all tension built up in act 1 is paid off in act 2, then in act 3 it just deflates like a popped balloon, and the narrative gets pulled in 10 different directions. I've never seen an RPG crater this hard since mass effect 3, but in that case it was at the end of the game.
wtf was larian thinking?
>finally beat the game
No you're a shitposter who's been here since at least 2023
>>528152546This is terrifying. No one will be able to have a single fantasy or thought without it potentially ruining someone else's life somehow.
New player who bought the game 20 nanoseconds ago here, why is Act 3 the greatest failure in storytelling since Mass Effect 3's color-coded endings?
>>528152546This is terrifying. No one will be able to have a single fantasy or thought without it potentially ruining someone else's life somehow.
>>528201467Yeah Im on my 2nd playthrough and its hard to get in the mood for Act 3. I wanna go back to the outdoors.
>>528200760male gnome and asty
>>528202541i don't wanna sound like a schizo, but sometimes i think the mass effect shitposter copies my typing style
>>528199193If you kill Orpheus.
>>528202771Based and canon
confront raphael? deflating
confront viconia? deflating
my gacha shit? NOT deflating ok
>>528201045Was doing a male gnome with the scrounger mod and everyone a gnome. Was fun with explosives but I think all the summons are bad for the framerate so I dropped it.
>>528201203I am not planning on obsessively posting pics of it here, anon. Just wanted opinions since I am so into this game.
>>527860003 (OP)if you're making a hexblade meme, what are the coolest subclasses to dip into? i wanna try it for my 2nd playthrough
Hi guys just bought the game, wow there's so many plot threads and so much character development in Act 1, I can't wait to get to act 3 where there's a satisfying payoff
I started to play crown paladin and it's super boring. I only had fun with my assassin/gloomstalker characters.
>>528204352Viconia dies if you look at her funny. There is nothing in her fight. And the story is just meh. You just waltz in the temple and after exchanging pleasantries you mop the floor with the lvl 4 mobs kill sharts parents and call it a day. Plus you get to meet the hecking trans Sharran that you are supposed to leave alive for some reason despite murdering everyone else. At least raphaels fight has a little gimmick and the house of hope is kinda interesting despite the retarded idea of making the embodiment of hope a trans dwarf.
>embodiment of hope a trans dwarf
you really need to stop watching so much tranny porn
>>528205975>trans dwarf>hopehuh
>>528204602I like my critlock. It's 3 champion / 9 hexblade. Crits with the SB+Resonance Stone are no joke and it's really cool having specters pop out all the time. Another strong choice is hexblade 1/ Oath of Vengeance 11 although you are more of a pally that dips into warlock. You could also consider swordbard/hexlock.
>do incredibly off and on slow playthrough since patch 8 dropped
>get to raphael fight
>almost one shot my paladin bc radiant retort doesn't appear in the enemy character sheets anymore
thank you larian very cool
>>528212247I still resent a fucking daemonic entity getting the ability to mirror the one damage type one would assume is MORE effective against him.
>>528212247>bc radiant retort doesn't appear in the enemy character sheets anymoreis that true
>>528212247don't worry the definitive edition will fix everything
>>528212680it's def true in the raphael fight bc I checked multiple times bc I was confused as fuck as to what the hell was causing damage, I remembered eventually
then I did viconia today and it shows up correctly on her sheet. Fucking larian retardery, I'm assuming it's some kind of nonsense caused by the patch for honor mode
>>528213174can you post a screenshot so it could be reported to larian as a bug
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Minthara respects more Duergar men than Drow men
As I recall, duergar are still considered a lesser race - hunted for sport or enslaved for amusement - so we have to admire Minthara's restraint in not using a slur here.
>>528215324i thought they were the enslavers? didn't karlach wanted to hear their side of their story first?
>>528215513Slaves can have slaves. That's how capitalism works.
>>528213782>real man>barbie doll looking menI wonder why, even the height is irrelevant here
>Halsin takes the small boy away from the camp to a decrepit shack
kinda sus
>>528216215This. Women respect less feminine men, they just don't say it openly
>>528204352>confront viconia? deflatingthat encounter was awful both writing wise & gameplay wise
>>528217246>my gacha shit? NOT deflating ok
>if you criticize act 3's rushed and cut writing you must play gacha games
yeah this general just needs to be left to die, normal people are all gone its just schizos now
>act like a retard
>get called a retard
i'm sure you get this reaction everywhere you go
>>528216518minthara is a woman written by a man
>act 3 doesn't have pacing problems... y-you're a retard who plays gacha!
highest iq bg3 regular
There's a fine line between criticism and crying. And of course, if you're going to opt for the latter, it's best to keep it brief so as not to bother the lost souls that still dwell in this place. In the enduring words of the IMG_XXXX shitposter, "Act 3 unfinished horrendous." Was that so hard?
well yeah complaining without coming up with solutions is crying
>There's a fine line between criticism and crying.
Holy shit, I just got the legendary Sailor Minthara skin in my daily lootbox!
>>528218592I look and talk like this
>>528218798gacha live & die by their artstyle & sex appeal I dont think a bg3 gacha would work unless it's only jpgs of astarion & gale flashing their tits, the male audience wants cute anime girls
did larian ever say why they cut upper city when less than a month before release they were still showcasing it in marketing videos? because I just learned that since the upper city was cut, karlach's ending was also cut even though it was all done
>>528222469swen talked about the upper city during an interview and one of the steam community note talked about roaming its luxurious streets, both the upper city & karlach's act 3 quest have been factually cut
Don't worry, anons, people will turn on BG3 soon enough! Everyone will recognize Larian as slop makers when the time is right.
>astarion hypes up cazador as a big bad evil guy
>finally meet him
>hes some chinese guy that sounds like the bosmer voice actor from oblivion
>>528232275that's how abusers operate, they try to create this aura of invincibility to prevent victims from even trying to resist
>>528223084hes just being intellectually dishonest, the upper city is present* (in the form of the final sort of dungeon of the game)
my gf wants to side with the absolutists against the druids and i had the idea of weakening the druids first by causing them to chimp out on the tieflings. but she is concerned it might cause a specific cutscene/dialogue choice to be unavailable if this is done first
>>528200760Cosmic sorc looks cool, if backloaded.
Ive never fucked around with the mystic mod, looks like it has too many options.
>>528200760>>528241770Forget Cosmic Sorcerer
>be wild magic sorcerer (with extra wild magic effects)>download the telekinetic spells mod>download mystra spells and the scrolls add>focus on the telekinetic, CC, and teleporting spells>(optional) get the mod that allows sorcerers to scribe spellsBoom, Scarlet Witch kino
Lads I need help, I've been trying to attempt a solo 1 character only run on vanilla honour+tactician (without single save slot) as Dark Urge Gloomstalker 5 Assassin 3. It has been a breeze so far but I have been totally stonewalled at Apostle of Myrkul. I've tried everything I could come up with.
>deal enough damage over time to his 390hp pool
>he heals for 30 per infinite minion
>the less minions there are the more he can spawn
>if minions get stuck he does AoE pull to get them out or kill them
>blocking ladders doesn't matter for same reason
>one-two shots any summon I have
>if I hit him myself I become permanently rooted
Any advice welcome except getting more characters which is haram for this run. I can load before entering the colony and respec.
>>528247136no bone chill?
>>528247275I have a scroll but it lasts just one turn? I don't know if it's a bug but when I shoot him with arrows of ilmater it seems to expire right after his turn half the time and his minions get in there and do the thing.
>>528247136I don't remember the Anon's name anymore but there was a solo character run done with a bard gnome(?). They just did the usual bard bullshit + had a ton of summons every fight + had lots of spell scrolls to spam every turn. Lots of Chain Lightning and other shit though I don't know how much of that was available in Act 2. I just know they used scrolls liberally. I don't remember what they did for Myrkul specifically though.
Just tested again and arrow of ilmater expires right after Apostle's turn. Actually useless and retarded.
>>528247136blind him and disarm him.
>>528248639Neither of this helps at all because his minions will still heal him on their own turn. There is also no point of disarming him if you never walk into melee range. Him being blind only prevents manual casting Gaze, he will still do it against you via legendary action every turn if you hit him.
>>528249213> his minions will still heal him on their own turn.I don't think you can avoid this. Throwing per turn AOEs at him helps though.
>There is also no point of disarming him if you never walk into melee range. Keeping Nightsong alive does wonders.
>Him being blind only prevents manual casting Gaze, he will still do it against you via legendary action every turn if you hit him.Well yeah but you have denied him his main ranged attack.
>>528250518>Keeping Nightsong alive does wondershe has his own bonechill aura that prevents her reviving on the upper platform, I can't even heal her there
I have enough potions that his damage is irrelevant to me, the problem is I can't outdamage his healing and neither can kill all his minions, if I do he just spawns more.
>>528252296If she died already, then that falls outside of "keeping her alive".
>>528205641I murdered the tranny sharran in cold blood like I do with every Sharran I meet and Shart didn't even disapprove.
>>528255167I want to believe everyone does that. Viconia sets the whole temple at you while the tranny just happens to be in the other room when that occurs and the game acts like you should just leave him be for some reason. He evens says he is going to find another cloister so he can continue being an evil sharran.
>>528255167But what about the one girl who wanted to quit and leave? You let her live, right?
>>528256043No, one of the named cultists in the fight has a letter saying she realised that the place is a shitty cult and wants to go home. She misses her mom and hopes she'll get a chance to leave without getting caught because she's scared for her life.
I can't believe you killed her. You bad person.
>>528226741none of these people leaving reviews got to act 3 or finished the game
stop whiteknighting
>>528256281She should have shown me the letter instead of attacking me like every other nameless cultist.
>>528247136Doom Hammer (https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Doom_Hammer) is a 100% chance to apply Bone Chilled, which may or may not be too cheesy for your standards, but some form of cheese is acceptable on a solo run, I think. Use a Scroll of Magic Weapon, since the Apostle is resistant to non-magical bludgeoning. Unfortunately, it's a weapon found in Act 1, so that won't help you on this run. The necromites grant a free Action with Bloodlust, so you can theoretically maintain 3 attacks per round as long as you can one-tap one nearby. Aside from that, you really want to buff Aylin and let her do some heavy lifting. She should be Hasted and under the effect of an elixir. Protection from Evil and Good is clutch against the Apostle (the target cannot be frightened, Undead have Disadvantage on attack rolls against it), and Rangers can cast it once per long rest with Keeper of the Veil.
>>528271239God bros, I hate Karlach so much it's unreal.
>>528217725>Minthara is a woman written by a manDo you really expect ripped amazons from a matriarchal society respect feminine and androgenous men? Minthara is accurate as fuck.
>>528274537Lae'zel and Minthara don't like Wyll, Gale and Astarion. Minthara hates Halsin, Lae'zel is neutral to Halsin and both are neutral to Minsc.
>>528274801>Lae'zel hates Wyll to death and Minthara hates Gale to death.Fixed.
Truke: DOS2 is a better RPG than BG3. It's just that the story sucks. But BG3's story isn't much better due to the mountain of cut content, and has worse gameplay / character building.
>>528276445I feel like bg3 is objectively the better game but I also liked dos2 more overall
>>528218798Thanks for the idea. Used it for Shadowheart.
>>528277758me on the right
>>528277851The tallest Gnome Tav.
>>528277317It had a lot higher budget and development time - yes it's objectively better, but DOS2 had much better gameplay
Any good Body type 4 Paladin/Knight armor? Skimmed through most on Nexus but not finding anything good.
Also are there any other good mod sites aside from nexus? For Oblivion and Skyrim I used to scour Japanese/Korean blog sites for mods that never went to Nexus, anything similar for this game?
>>528277758A marriage of two shitty characters.
