Nerf Nerfs Nerfs Edition

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/06-17-2025-update.68401/

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>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlocked.wiki/
https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/
>New Player Guide
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>Advanced Movement Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHc

Threadlocked: >>527631509

>accidentally que hero labs
>teams unbalanced in my favor
>play the full match anyway
>next day invited to experimental
uhhh guys, don't tell anyone

>>527891560
I mean you had to be rewarded for patiently waiting 2 hours in queue, I guess.

>realistically, only 1 or maybe 2 characters on your team will get enough urn deliveries in a game to earn their 4th T3 ability upgrade

Who gets urn priority? What heroes really need it to unlock their end game?

>>527891560
>accidentally wait in queue for 3 hours

DOAlock

>>527892759
everyone on your team gets AP when you turn in the urn

>>527892949
This is incorrect.

The black woman of Valve unoriginality.
These are TWO different characters.

>Haze sucks up all our farm being constantly 10k ahead at least
>never pushes objectives, never get picks
>has the same amount of kills as I do which isn't even the most
>only joins teammates to die instantly
>starts typing "gg" and flaming the team
>respawns and goes straight back to jungling
Holy fuck i hate haze tards. We won but that was so aids

>>527891560
>made this post
>queue time for labs reduced to 10 minutes
>n-bombs increased by 10000%
hello frens

>>527894680
prove it

>>527897673
>n-bombs

>>527897673
What's an n-bomb, anon?

>>527898003
neurodivergents

>>527870884
The highest non-yoshi post count on the forums only goes up to 1000.

>>527899261
Maybe he's referring to Yoshi

fun builds?

>>527897924
https://deadlock.wiki/Soul_Urn

There are no notes stating that the ability points reward has changed in the latest patch, so we can assume the page to be accurate, which states only the delivering hero gets the bonus souls and an ability point.

>>527899401
The last of them got nerfed out of usefulness this patch I'm afraid. Only unfun left.

>>527899354
He isn't. You would know if you bothered to read, nigger.

>>527899518
people say this every patch

>>527900201
I was referring to Yoshi.

>>527899261
found the valve employee lurking

>>527900445
and it's true, valve literally hates fun because fun usually means 'random things I can't control in my le epic PRO gamer game

>>527901562
>random things I can't control in my le epic PRO gamer game
So, your teammates? Also how about you give an example of fun build being patched out of the game?

>>527905263
le epic pro gamers are all on stacks

>>527899494
prove it

>>527905507
I can't prove you're straight, anon, I'm sorry. There is too much evidence of you sucking dick on camera to go against.

I wish they'd just put a limit on rescue beams on a team instead of raping the CD.

>>527905350
Unrelated. Don't evade the question anon.

They need to increase rescue beam's healing to what it was prepatch if they're gonna rape its CD.

>>527909239
>>527908979
Get fucked healcucks, oh no now you gotta learn how to play the game!

>>527909405
>supporting isn't a part of mobas
spot the retard

>>527906590
prove it

>>527909451
Supporting was always the designated retard role.

>>527909009
anything I say wouldn't be good enough for you because I can tell you're the one samefag in this thread that's constantly gargling valve's nuts while refusing to acknowledge a single criticism as valid and eventually dismissing them as just schizo ramblings or whatever

>>527909451
Deadlock isnt Overporn, you don't have a support role as a hard requirement so stop crying over your cuck playstyle getting a boot

>>527909634
>oh man me hitting these creeps is so high iq dude you've no idea
>meanwhile the people responsible for all macro play and shotcalling are 'actually' retarded
nice revisionism lmao

>>527909972
>oh man my carry has taken damage
>let me just push my undamage him key
I guess because it takes all your processing power to pull that off you think it's a high IQ play.

>>527909839
>put healing, barriers, buffs, debuffs into the game, all things that are explicitly about supporting
>erm ackshually it's not intended that you support
you're a moron

i just played flask warden and fucking obliterated the enemy team holy shit.

>>527910098
>oh man I'm taking damage time to push my undamage me key
>*pushes vampiric embrace/infuser*
>I sure am glad I'm playing the intelligent role

Is it just me? I feel like players are getting dumber every patch. How?

>>527910530
>98% of people quit
>remaining playerbase is just autists
>autists struggle to adapt

>>527909765
There was no criticism, criticism implies substance, you merely cried over your keyboard for a while, refused to explain the reason for all the malding and ran a bunch of excuses.
If you don't feel like actually voicing any kind of opinion, just stop replying, we dont need a bumpfag for this

uuuuuuuuh....

>>527909839
Its Dota 3. Are you telling me there are no supports in Dota? What kind of moron are you?

>>527910354
>Vampiric embrace
lmao, I've won

It's too hot to fucking play.

what shiv build are you shivvers running? im not very good with him mind you, whats a general build i can run and still be alright with

>>527911345
you are literally THE bumpfag for this game and you will not address a single bit of criticism that is well thought out. You will come up with every trick in the book to deflect and attack the substance of the argument (even though I probably have more hours in the game than you). We have probably gotten into dozens of arguments in these threads and I can tell by the way to type you're literally that guy with valve's nuts so far down his fucking throat he can't admit there is a single thing wrong with the game, even now you demand I come up with one single thing that has been removed that was fun (like ivy flying seven around at light speed) and again you will absolutely deflect and sperg about how it deserved to be removed (i never played either seven or ivy and never had any problems with it in my high mmr lobbies but go off queen)

>>527914021
These clips only really work together. It's twenty eight fucking degrees. It's so over

>>527914224
>>527914021
>28c is hot for eurocucks
lmao

>>527914021
>>527914224
aimbotters deserve way worse than 28C

>>527910530
valve running bots to psyop the remaining autists

>>527914021
>instantly headshots the ziplining abrams
>autoparries his light melee
>"better clip that!"

>>527916220
He parried before Abrams even made a punch. Abrams just fucked up

>>527911682
just seething now kek

Friendly reminder that modern germans are not human, have ruined europe, are all unironic cucks, are oversensitive faggots and are currently ruining your games being indian level IQ. New reich wouldn't be in Germany. That's a fact.

>>527916947
Why is Geist so fucking bad now? This was an eternus match

>Okay he's won 3 games in a row
>Start giving him 4 team mates that statistically have a KDA of 0.2 every single game

>>527917045
that's a downplay. these are just retards on her.

>>527914224
popping people into the air with tnt to follow up with a headshot is always so clean

>reddit's whining about infernus

???

I fucking hate infernus, but he's way more tolerable than he ever was a year ago, why are they whining? not building anti heal?

>>527919035
Probably parrot mr streamer

>disarm sigil is peace sign
hehe

>buy fortitude
>do more healing passively than rescue beam would've over an entire game
epic balancing. watch them drop the CD to 45s or something next week when they realise whatever retard came up with this had no clue what he was doing.

>>527919724
>slams Q with a fucking fist
Here's you fucking peace

>>527920056
this is why you build knockdown/slowing hex and whatever flavor of t3 stamina to chase and kill slippery targets

>>527914021
ah yes tardbrooling under the 1 minute time mark, classic alchemist shenanigans

>>527920553
lol the abrams can't have more than a dozen games in deadlock or any moba

>>527920553
a few days ago I had a shiv mindlessly walk into a bebop/dynamo lane and then get pissy with me for "staying back to buy items"

can't help some retards

>>527914021
>>527914224
>people calling this aimbotting
classic shallow chad W

which comic writer/artist would you assign for deadlock comics?
>no manga or tf2 comic people

>>527892759
i dunno, who actually neess all T4 upgrades?

>>527911390
just delete boxes

>>527922010
I don't know any comic writers or artists by name. So I nominate myself

>>527920056
They have been nerfing Fortitude with some regularity, to be fair.

>>527922010
>tf2 comic people
why not? they were already doing the VN part

>enemy has reju
>teammate inexplicably decides to start wandering off by themselves
>gets jumped and dies in 0.2 seconds
>another teammate goes to "help"
>gets jumped and dies in 0.2 seconds
>lose the game
Some people are just so stupid. This game makes me rethink how I see the world. What did you think was going to happen?

>>527922592
Whenever enemy get rejuv I ALWAYS type "only fight in base for now"

You should treat your teammates like they're children

>>527920332

>>527922592
Its the same with people who are trying to go solo against grouped up enemies then blame you for the inevitable. Fags never learn. They also never listen to anything but the voices in their heads

>russian niggers stacking their own creeps and freezing them next to their walker to deny farm
>russian niggers hiding in skybox on vindicta and just permanently pinning down a walker for the rest of the game
great fucking game. it's amazing how many dishonest braindead fucking nigger pigs you'd remove from EU instantly if you just banned them all.

>>527920332
>>527923142
>they don't have melee parry on thumb buttons
ngmi

>>527924001
russian pigs need to be euthanised irl a region lock isn't enough anymore.

>>527924001
yoshi knows they're a problem. I've had personal chats with him about it. that's why they put in russian servers and locked them there back last year. then they reverted it because all those faggots went on the forums crying about 'racism' because they were finally expected to play with other russians and they HATED it.

>>527924834
>i've had personal chats with him about it
>duhhhh they unlocked regions and let them play with euro because they know they're a problem
getting real tired of you constantly sucking valve's dick in any way you can

>>527914074
green and gun item shiv is the most braindead
i been winning games with spirit shiv but you have to land like 80% of your knives

>>527924191
I normally have melee on mouse 5 but in this game I have items on there. Annnd holding mouse 5 would be annoying. It's not overwatch where you want to through in a fast melee every chance you get

>>527925079
did you just refuse to read the second half of my post or something how am I sucking them off I think they're retarded for reverting it.

you'd think that at some point valve would figure out i should be placed in a higher rank, right? 16 games 1 loss only to go from ritualist 2 to 3... in any other game i would go up 2 or 3 entire divisions from the stomping i am doing with these retardedly strong characters

>>527925375
Ignore him, its the melty throwing a tantrum about Valve which gets assmad when asked to explain his schizoposting, he's literally brain damaged

>>527924834
>they were finally expected to play with other russians
>and they HATED it
Not surprised but holy shit lol

>>527928053
>

>>527928053
matchmaking system made by chatgpt, please understand small indie dev

>>527928382
wanna know something funny? this happened on dota as well. except it was just your team was way more likely to be geographically sourced. so russians vs actual EU teams. they got shit on relentlessly and cried for a week straight to get it removed.

>>527928053
>calico wraith spammer
it's not like you deserve a higher rank though BASED valve

>>527928053
>calico
>wraith
you aren't as good as you think you are lil bro

>>527929543
>>527929838
kek seethe

>healing nova on DFN
we are so back novabros

>>527931714
hey anon your boss is calling you into work

item UI updated again

hunter's aura looks cool

>>527932312
too bad it's shit

>>527929360
God i hope valve will do this again, will make the game better for everyone. I find it hard to believe they would listen to russoids crying over this shit but they did do smth in Dota2 which made the amount of russkies a bit lesser and they better do it again

>>527928104
>>527925375
>replying to yourself trying to defend your shit
>literally called out so hard you've resorted to schizo-accustations
you're pathetic man, a real golem

>>527932753
it is? I get it pretty often

>>527932874
ok retard

>>527932979
completely countered by heroic aura in team fights

>>527932312
Looks weird, the shading on it makes it look AI generated

>>527933196
but I use it on tanky melee characters and it usually makes a difference when cornering gun carries

>>527933242
SAAR DO THE NEEDFUL AND POST REMOVAL PLS

>>527933014
Don't help mentally unstable people farm (you)s, youre encouraging some kind of attention begging disorder

>>527933014
okay bitch listen here you work for me now

lol

>>527933345
>buy rebuttal for EIGHT HUNDRED (800) souls
>you get raped

>>527933525
>gun carry players actually buying counter items

lol?

>>527933242
I think previous logo for it was better, it certainly had bigger association with the hunter part of the name

I just need to accept that not playing carry most likely means a loss. It just fucking sucks because the most fun heroes aren't carries.

>>527933738
they should have a scary looking Elmer Fudd kind of icon

Ok so they updated a bunch of icons. Cheat Death new icon SUCKS

>>527934584
yeah that's a huge downgrade

>>527934584
Oh that stinks. I'm posting feedback about it. Cheat death looked fucking cool and it was funny too
>check my posts
>my most recently changelog feedback actually got 4 views
Wtf, they are checking the forums

>>527934584
They fucking killed it, holy shit.

>>527935434
lmao okay *clicks own post a dozen times* wow

they've ruined any goodwill they had for people to give a shit about giving feedback

>>527936551
>they ruined any goodwill

let me guess, they nerfed ivy too much? kekaroo

>>527936551
Have you never used the forum, retard?

I mention it has views because in the last 2 months most of my private feedback has been at 1 view (meaning no devs have looked at it) but before this feedback would get 10-39 views (meaning up to 39 unique accounts viewed it).

>>527936723
>haha I'm going to pretend they act on a single thing posted on the forums - even bug reports!
bug reports actually, why don't you just hang out on discord? I have never played ivy

>>527936839
post your feedback with 39 views

also
>he doesn't know

>>527936839
>>527936723
>>527936934
I've had maybe 3-4 pretty obvious bugs that have happened in the last week or so that I thought about leaving feedback on but every time I do I remember how little they give a shit about what we have to say so I don't

>>527937098
>almost a year ago
Damn

>>527935905
>>527935434
>>527935126
>>527934584

the joke was funnier but also harder to tell at a glance at the tiny icon
they dumbed down the joke and the design for clarity

>>527937598
>yoshi in the replies
holy fuck

How do Siphon Bullets compare to something like Glass Cannon as far as raw DPS goes?

>>527934584
What was the old icon?

>shallow god

lmao

>>527938310
Healsbane with cards

>>527937598
Most I ever got was 9 views complaining about match making. Yoshi probably recognized you

another example of eceleb favoritism

>viscous nerfed
>get whiny americans on team with 500 ping
i think im taking a break

>>527938310

>>527939083
ive gotten 33 once, but 1-2 after

>>527939083
>Yoshi is a tf2g lurker
Grim.

shallow god LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING MINIMAP DUMBFUCK

>can't figure out who to play
>white queue everyone
>>>>>>>>warden
>40 (fucking fourty) damage headshots early game
>just straight up stat checking people after flasking them and stealing 30% of their fire rate while drilling them with headshots
>if anyone dares to try and one shot me I just pop ult and spirit fury and become literally Thanos
this character is fucking disgusting, are all warden players just dogshit? how is his winrate not higher?

>>527940463
Nerfed btw
My guess is that at higher skill lvl people manage to deny his farm and not let him turbocarry but who knows

>>527940463
average warden player is a complete retard so they freak out when their enemy laners actually get regen + extra stamina and avoid his traps and make him actually aim

>>527914021
>>527914224
>>527914726
this samefagging is so embarrassing, bro. this aiming skill would be plat level at best in Overwatch.

>>527940463
against non-braindead people you need a lot of active items to be a threat
slowing hex + fleetfoot are basically core

>>527934584
Wtf the old cheat death was so fucking good.

THIS GAME NEEDS MORE FUCKING ACTIVE SLOTS
4 IS FLAT OUT NOT ENOUGH
LET ME HAVE 5 OR SIX ACTIVES
>oh but that'll be HARD for people!
I DON'T FUCKING CARE
I KEEP CAPPING ON ACTIVES ALMOST EVERY GAME

>>527933242
would

>>527941938
would what

where are item icons located in the source 2 viewer deadlock path?
also where are the voicelines?
I wanna make some videos showcasing specific voice lines since literally nobody else will.

why are 95% of the custom heroes just furries

>>527937598
>shallow ritualist is the valve deep throater
hope he sees this bro

>>527939271
>get whiny americans on team
These guys are unironically as bad as russians. Being a western euro that sometimes plays at night means I've play with quite a few Americans and you always know when you have Americans on their team because they never shut up. In casual games Americans aren't so bad because there's a refreshing aspect to their talkativeness but in a game like this holy fuck, if they're not having a good game (and sometimes even when they are) everything they say needs a snide passive aggressive jab or they read out a fucking Infinite Jest length seethe fest down the mic. At least with slavs and germans they wear it on their sleeve but American players try to claim they "don't care" or "it's fine" while they're also bawling down the mic in fury.

>>527942979
90% my feedback is complaining thoughbeit

>>527943246
I immediately mute anyone having a melt down or who won't shut up

this game desperately needs post-game chat lobbies so we can observe the meltdowns.

>>527914021
>>527914726
>overwatch people will call this aimbotting unironically
OH NO NO NO NO

vp is so fucking washed

>>527942226
okay I found the VOs listed under\
pak01_dir.vpk > sounds > vo
but for the life of me I cannot find the shop icons

>>527944842
feels like half of the team is already bored to death from the game

>guy obviously cheating
>call him out about it
>he's queued with a friend who denies it
>my team says he's just good while he 3 vs 1s them
>watch replay afterwards
>it's obvious as fuck he's toggling

jesus fucking christ

>pause the game while my friend goes to the bathroom
>enemy bebop goes
>UNPAUSE BLACK GUY
>UNPAUSE FAG
>UNPAUSE NOW
>the entire time the game is paused
>he then spends the next 30 minutes hardcore trolling and inting
>0-15-3
what causes this sort of mental illness
why are you trolling a closed alpha game and not in like, overwatch, cs, valorant or anything else that's actually a complete game

>>527948819
What difference does it make whether he's trolling in a finished game or not?

Just got a team which stayed together and listened to my calls to go back when enemy respawns and push lanes when creeps are coming too close. Damn this feels great

>>527940463
His winrate is high in higher elo, dunno why people don't play him as a noob stomper more though.

>>527943463
they don't want to pollute feedback with groupthink, same reason why all the feedback subforums are private
post-game chat will be added for launch

anyone know why two players from meleecreeps left the team on the same day of tournaments? i want to read the drama

>>527951928
>don't want to pollute feedback with groupthink
>here's the discord for people to be groupthink faggots in tho tee hee
>don't forget the reddit
>don't forget the twitch chats telling their 10 viewers what to think
do you have to respond to every single post that says something like 'I wish x was in the game' or 'y should be like this' with your absolutely milquetoast basic bitch takes about how valve knows what they're doing

>>527952483
they told people not to discuss their personal feedback on the discord though

>>527933850
which characters are considered a carry? can you list em all please

>>527953206
Wraith
Haze
Gun splitpush Ivy
Seven
Vyper
basically anyone who can solo nuke objs while your retard "teammates" perma brawl or have extreme strength in teamfights

>>527953441
You're forgetting Geist and Warden

>>527953441
>>527953717
whats yamato considered?

>>527952096
they were poached by Hydranation per some guy in poshypop's discord, doubt we'll get any real details.

>>527953780
oh and shiv

>>527953780
>>527953871
Anyone that's a good 1v1er and builds gun or hybrid can be a carry realistically, the exception should be that they shouldn't be building gun if it does shit damage to players even if it's decent against walkers. Calico is a good 1v1er but you can't build gun on her, gun Yamato I don't know if it's worth it anymore. Shiv can probably be a carry but he's a difficult hero to play well and if your early game is cucked you're basically feeding all game and can't push shit

>>527948462
I don't know I've seen what you guys consider aim assist so I'm hesitant to believe any accusations from you retards. Honestly I remember early days on this general people would even be posting Mikaels videos asking why an "obvious cheater" was getting popular

How about mirage? I've been playing him out and he feels weird since his ult rewards ratting but his shit gun damage and kit encourages brawling
not clueless since i can top damage charts and generally carry but he just feels weird

>>527954765
Mikaels did use walls though

>>527934584
>cheat death

>>527955158
Proof?

>>527954962
Mirage is probably top 3 splitpushers in the game because he can pressure objectives then instantly pull up for a teamfight

>>527956257
he played a ton of paradox

>>527956743

Took this long for the pros to realize that Bebop is just a better Paradox?

>>527957562
Oh boy more bebop nerfs

I think everyone quit the south american server (again) because every game i play is horribly unbalanced, people with two tier rank gaps getting matched with one another, every match is a one sided stomp. I think i'll just have to quit until something big happens and a bit more people start to play because its just not fun right now

>>527957562
Oh yeah because that's what's good about Paradox, her displacement tool. Not the infinite range 1200 damage hitscan shot she has, or the time wall that let's her dominate a duel.

>>527956743
KEKYPOW

>>527957974
That's happening in NA too

reminder that bebops gun literally, LITERALLY cannot shoot through Paradox wall.
it just flat out deletes the projectile on contact.

>>527957974
Happening in EU too.

Why do they not just add half life heal kits to the walls in the jungle, instead of just repeatedly nerfing Fortitude. We wouldn't need to rely on this shit so much if there was some other way of actually staying on the map.

>>527956743

>>527958402
Good Bebopniggers deserve nothing nice

>>527959386
>yoshi likes this
>never implements it

>>527939837
>>527937598
>urgh shallow please accept my friend request i'll let you into the private play test

>>527942473
Post 3.

>>527962304
h o w

>>527957979
The displacement is literally what breaks her in pro play.

>>527933509
>>527962304
>the """pros"""

>>527962304
>30k soul difference not evne 15 minutes in
Genuinely curious how this happened. Is every member of sapphire flame just laning gods?

>>527963109
they dominated the last game

they're just trading stomps back and forth

>>527963174
could be because of 3 guardian/walker changes
pubs feel extra stompy lately

why the FUCK are "pros" building bebop as a full on gun carry instead of going full support?

>>527963526
damage good

>>527963526
you dont need to heal your team when the enemies dies very quickly. its basically time magic and you should try it

>>527963334
yeah, instead of being able to lose 1 lane and still be even on items, laning is even more important now

>>527963334
flex slots suck as a concept but at least it was tolerable before and flowed well

>>527963804
>>527964342
not necessarily full support, but just spirit actives/mobility items to maximize hook effectiveness

>>527964779
Flex slots suck and have always sucked, but they sucked a bit less when you only needed 2 guardians/walkers for the big thresholds. Not sure why they thought making the game even more snowbally would be a good idea.

>>527967091
In lower elos this change has made games much longer as fags don't know how to FUCKING PUSH AND END so instead of snowballing it's back and forth for 60 minutes

>>527967675

>>527967707
NOOOOOOOO STFU LET ME FARM THIS T3 CAMP AT 9 MINS
>takes 10 minutes to clear

>>527958402
GOOD
the less i deal with gjn beboop the better

What games would you guys like to see get promotional cosmetics in deadlock?

>>527978339
none

are default builds good when taking someone first time?

>>527979998
they do the job but they're pretty far from meta

>comfortably win lane
>other two lanes getting their teeth kicked
>both other lanes are now losing their walkers
>enemies are forcing me to stay defending my last guardian
>if I help my teammates, I lose my entire lane
>if I ignore them, I lose two walkers

Go to stat locker
Search up your name
Go to rank -> mvp chart
Send SS

Let’s see how good yall are

Actual rank according to deadlock in game is oracle 3

>>527939378
Soul? Remove it

ult seven is actually absurd lmao, straight carries endgame cause fuckyou aoe

"What are you doing nigga", 4/14 hood Geist

>>527985781
why does yours say far below with all those mvps?

>>527985781
>>527988504
kek nevermind misread

>>527985781
theres some bug with #7 on my profile

>No map pressure because no carries on my team
>Against this comp too
Kino. I mean they had their own designated feeders too, their Lash just carried too hard

>>527978339
some guy has been spamming her getting nakadashi'd in /poeg/ because he is mentally ill kek

>>527992839
vindicta into lash is just an L with 12 item slots + 6k eth shift. old patch it was doable. if he wants your ass its over

>>527992995
Basically what was happening, did good in our lane and the lane Lash and Geist were in got hard stomped. Not even surprised, pretty sure he flogmaxxed early so the poke must have been insane between that and Geist. Then Lash just roamed freely because side lane had 0 pressure.

After that we couldn't push objectives for shit cause the only real gun damage was on me and my splitpushing on Vindicta is ass.

>>527988504
Mogged. Guess my main btw.

>>527992732
Nice, but still mogged

matchmaking is fine

>>527993198
A hint to my build: I do melee build mostly. Sometimes gun. But never ever spirit.

>>527993198
>mogged
>posts a smurf
faggot

suggest me a vindicata melee+stake build?

>>527993379
No darlin, I’m just cracked. Albeit a one trick hahaha

>>527993887
Shit didn’t blur my main properly faack

>>527993887
>beboptard
even greater faggot

>>527994087
Hehehe, he’s not that strong rn compared to other options. But I make it work well for me

whenever i get put in shitlow games it feels like the enemy team actually knows how to play but my team is noobs / low hours, don't really get it

>>527995406
Typically I build in two ways: rush my ideal build + counter (hard /soft) the enemy carry. So whoever is doing best. Cuz ultimately they will swing fights in their favour. That is what yields me the best results.

>>527994636
I genuinely think Bebop is extremely strong in the right hands his winrate is just tanked by tards running shit like double bomb build, he's also pretty versatile. Can be played tank / support or gun carry. He's immobile but his stats are pretty good, basically a shittier Warden.

>>527995696
I dont do any of those, I do melee bebop :))))
But gun bebop is def most consistent. One parry and there goes the melee build.

>Gun Bebop ults
>Everyone heavily respects it despite it basically doing nothing and run away even if we're up on people
Why is this? Talking about late game obviously

Geist is so disgustingly strong that it feels dirty just to play her, even on Wraith I'm weaker earlier game and a middle of the pack laner, Geist is just good at every part of the game. If my early game is cucked on Wraith it's hard to bounce back, on Geist it's impossible to have a bad early game.

Can basically just solo hold guardian and keep waves permashoved too so my lane partner is free to roam, just shut a absurdly broken impactful hero I don't know why she hasn't been gutted yet.

>>527997771
what would you even do to her
put bomb on a 90 sec cooldown until T3?

>>527998063
Her bomb could use a higher CD, maybe her life drain should be reworked as well cause it's pretty obnoxious especially early game, lets you get free hits on people running away and if they disrespect it they take a ton of damage, also hits through stuns, ults, etc which I don't really get.

Later game I don't know how you'd fix her, maybe tweak her damage amp she just shits out too much damage. I've played like 30ish games on her and I think only 3-4 I didn't have top damage.

>214mb update
what is it?

>>528001481
updated localization files

>>527995406
Valve thinks you're supposed to carry those 5 shitters, forced 50 has always been a fucked up system

>>527995406
>play geist in low elo
>call others "shitlow"
pffffhahahaha

>>527954765
>watch replay and confirm some retard is cheating
>some faggot in /dlg/ still tries to defend valve's zero anticheat

>>528003573
My games range from ritualist to ascendant and I'm Oracle why would it matter what I play

>>527993289
Where are you getting these team ranks?

she thought she was safe up there

>>528008340
is calico just a better abrams?

>start playing as magician
>suddenly win 7/10 games and start ranking up
>get mid scores and a few kills, barely doing anything

Does this character have some hidden massive support value that I'm not seeing, or does the game just assume Im retarded for picking magician and puts me with better people?

>>528008515
She is Abrams with any of the risk or skill involved removed so yeah

>>528008613
Magician is very strong but he can't win lane while your eyes are closed so pubs don't pick him anymore (he still wins lanes incredibly easy)

>>528008515
>is calico just a better abrams?
Its funny you say that I went back to playing Abrams a bit after not playing him since the start and that was my impression too.
Its like with Calico you can be about 2/3rds as chunky as Abrams but you don't have a hitbox the size of a fucking house and everyone on their team stacking bullshit effects on you

>>528008867
calico can still get cc spammed but its a thousand times easier to get out of it compared to abrams chunky fat ass

>>528008515
>BOTH assassin characters are just built as beefcake brawlers

>>528009064
one of them can hit 2 800 damage slash attacks and then grab onto you from across the map, the other button mashes 2 x 1 q 4 to kill you then walks away for free
both have a fighting chance at getting picks in 1v3s

>>528009258
>spirit yamato
>slash ult slash echo shard slash refresher slash ult slash
>1000 spirit damage slash machine gun

>>528009258
Yamato is so much weaker than Calico

>>528009485
>yamato begins doing this shit
>begin walking away
>wait for the rope
>dash away after she ropes you
>continue running all the way to fountain
>uninstall

I wish to play Beebop any tips besides hurr land your hooks

>>528010120
For getting bomb stacks in lane, it's a lot easier to get a point into uppercut and getting some extra range for your bomb and then just spamming artillery at them by flinging bombed creeps.

>>528010120
don't
peepoop sucks

>>528010120
land your hooks
you can't actually do anything as bepop besides that nowadays

>>528010120
ult t3s at 8 minutes
ult when youre super far away or theres a huge wave or both

>>528010382
>>528010483
damn sad

>>528010329
>>528010567
i'll try, he looks fun

>>528010120
use ring of repick

I don't know why but the most whiny players I encounter are on Pocket and Paradox. They usually just want to BROOL all game too and do nothing else

>>528010846
confirmation bias, congratulations you're an idiot

>>528010846
they're pick heroes that suck at carrying so its frustrating
I've never seen a toxic pocket or paradox, its always infernus or haze for me

>>527941993
would fuck this wolf

>white women itt
beyond redemption at this point

>>527956743
Hot damn the bait
>>528008515
>Calico: no sex appeal
>Abrams: has sex appeal
Yeah no I don't think so

it seems as beebop you gain the bomb bonus on heroes death long after it detonated

>>528013420
women only fuck dogs
it's real men who fuck wolves

>>528013420
Maybe hes a turk. Which is even worse

Beebop is very fun but I hate having to use gun items

>>528010120
land your ult

>>528014035
take the non-echoshard spirit pill

>>528014503
i'll do next gamel lucky shot is funny tho

Can we please ban people that just jungle the whole game? They do 0 objectives, starve the team of souls, and just contribute nothing in general.

Pleasant to play and a change of pace. Will try another few

>>528013497
Yes there's like a 14~ second grace period, grey talon has a 3~ second grace period

>>528015569
>gun bebop
Why even play bebop at that point

>>528016792
got one of the first build
>>528016623
ty

>>528016792
laser beam (not the ult)

>>528010567
>ult t3s at 8 minutes
what does that mean

>>528017787
t3 camps, also its decent for defending objectives

>>528017787
The big camps with 3 fat fuckers, there's 2 on each hemisphere of the map

>>528017787
you can only unlock t3 ability upgrades at the 8th minute to stop players from rushing one ability

>>528017920
>>528017923
so I ult them at 8 for some dosh ok

>>528017983
Yeah there's the one inside the big warehouse type building and there's one on the sidelane connected to the bridge. Make sure you're spending that money soon because if you die after farming it you will give it up to the enemy team

>>528018065
ok I see, also it looks like it's a bad idea to pull an ulting seven... Thought it would interrupt

>>528018125
Depends on what your team has to follow up. You can pull him into an area where his ult won't hit anyone anymore as well. If you have curse or something that will interrupt his ult after the hook

>>528018125
>it looks like it's a bad idea to pull an ulting seven
we've all been there

stuns and curse are the only true interrupts in the game

>>528018203
I should build that, I tried a build whitch tells me to rush echo and I suffered

>>528018285
what blizcrank does to an mf...

>>528018359
EVERY spirit build tells you to rush echo because thats how you get 1k damage bombs shitstomps, also jonas is a hack

they gutted echo shard and it was never a good idea to save up for a 6.4k item against decent players, been experimenting with a lot of items to make a decent spirit build

>>528009801
>Playing missile Mo
>Pushing up wave at middle of lane with both guardians
>Yamato tries to jump me, I take some damage and then feign to run away
>Hit burrow almost as soon as she 2s me, mash fleetfoot and we're off to the races
>Drag her ass all the way to walker, turn around and combo her before she can escape with ult

>>528019492
And everyone clapped

>>527985781
isn't this just based on kill participation?

>>528018125
Yeah neither does Haze's dagger, Paradox swap or Abrams' charge unless it connects to the wall. Interestingly enough literally everything can interrupt Abrams' ult: movement denial, sleep, even Paradox' carbine

>>528020821
Abrams ult needs a huge buff or the CD reduced heavily. It's one of the longest cooldowns in the game and it's one of the worst spells let alone worst ults

>>528021073
>a huge buff
buffing activation time would help at least, you just hang in the air with a giant hitbox and get shredded instantly

Make it so Abrams bounces 3 times like when you use that ogre seal totem thing in dota.

>80% calico win rate
>64.5% total win rate
i think i am boosted and can only play op characters D:

A second boss that drops an aghs upgrade for whoever punches it first.
Ideas for aghs
>Mo: can burrow under buildings
>Bebop: hyper beam bounces once off a surface

you newfags dont even know where miku came from

>>528022351
>Abrams: global, one shot kills on direct impact
>Seven: can run around and use abilities during ult
>McGinnis: re-uses the old air raid sfx and destroys buildings

HIRE ME YOSHI

>>528021073
Just bring back the old animation, it was way better and had more character in it. Or keep current one for when Abrams is low on HP.
But the CD and the animation are too punishing for what the ult is, its too clunky to be used indoors, it turns you into a stationary predictable target when used in the open space, its teamfight usability isnt as good when everyone got debuff reducer/unstoppable. Why would IceFrog nerf it, I have no idea.

>>528024486
The stun duration got longer, dingaling-kun

>>528021860
Give him a separate melee combo moveset. Just go full ''melee retard'' route, tank is a retarded way to play (even on Abrams lol) and his gun is just too bad to make a reasonably good gun build
>>528022408
dog character either way

>>528022408
meeeku on the roof!

>>528010740
Do it. Bebop main here. It’s addictive. Landing those hooks, hitting those uppercuts,,.. it’s a lonely road though. Itemizaton is super important on him

>>528024597
CD got increased, new animation recovery is slower. Its understandable you have little faith in me (or any other Abrams player for that matter) but I assure you my reading skills are intact.

>>528023032
>Vindicta: jump height doubled, flight is now toggle

would be worth it just to see the knockdown allergic crying

>>528025032
Abrams before

>Can afford to max ult if you want to play around mid pit fights/team fight bruiser

Abrams now
>You need 5 points in charge and siphon or they're both useless dogshit with 50 second CD

>>528025113
Knockdown and Phantom Strike interaction will (kind of) make or break this idea. If she can simply recast the flight afterwards, her aghs broken, if she can't, her aghs is useless.
My suggestion is remove the ult CD

>>528025234
Its still a great way to cuck Lash, Seven, Wraith and a few other out of their ults. Having unstoppable only on T3 is justified, cd reduction on T3 Shoulder Charge isn't, its literally his entire kit. Might be a skill issue on my part, but in current long range gun meta he isn't even remotely strong enough to warrant these kinds of nerfs.

the power of abrahms is measured like dynamo in the way that it forces you to play in certain spots or you will get ulted / pinned and lose

I've been buying the exact same fucking items on every fucking character.

>>528029968
hard to have varied builds when yoshi keeps nerfing specific abilities like splatter

>>528027160
I unironically believe he is a better duelist than a teamplayer. Its not just the soloq issue, but how his skills are better off locking down one enemy, he isn't remotely tanky enough with anti-heal being so prevalent and even core on someone like Infernus or Haze, + Siphon Bullets exist to counter hp stacking.
Find one poor bastard, push him into the wall and hammer it home, hoping team can deal with the rest before everyone else stops focusing you.

>>528030349
theoretically abrams would do well in teamfights
all his abilities are aoe but they also suck
the real struggle in fighting multiple players at the same time is fighting against multiple parries

Infernal resilience should give gaybrams more move speed the lower his hp

>>528031891
>how to completely break a character and his identity in one change

>>528031994
>he moves faster now he's not the same at all
lmao what kinda weird cope is this, does enduring sprint transform him too?

>>528032225
they keep nerfing his movespeed and making his kit clunkier to use each patch

>>528032642
His ult being clunkier is to compensate for the longer stun duration so you don't get two heavy melees off

hey guys is this game fun yet

>>528033834
No they remove each bit of fun they find with each patch.

>>528033834
game is way too stompy with slots requiring 3 walkers/guardians

>>528033834
dont listen to those guys. i play the game almost every day and i find it so fun. of course it is not nice to win lane and lose cuz an enemy lane won theirs, but ive found that i can always ensure victory by simply counter building the carry on the enemy team.

Silence hex, disarming hex = ez pz 1v1 against almost anyone.

>>527998063
Complete total rework.

>>528031073
Thats why I go full gun with him, it sucks but I don't get parried
>>528031891
>>528031994
But that's literally Warden
>>528033834
Most fun I had in a multiplayer game in last years

>>528032642
And it fucking sucks when Calico is a thing. They better revert this shit.

>>528029968
like?

>>528030148
>whining about viscous nerfs

the character isn't weak, get over it.

Calico and Magician are unironically much stronger melee heroes than Abrams despite their roles as spirit heroes because some shitters can't parry/kite properly

>>528040550
I'll give u a little tip:
blood tribute + debuff remover means that even if u get parried, you'll get up before they can heavy melee you. It's real nice.

>>528042180
You can parry and kite Abrams, but you can't kite or parry Calico skill spam or Sinclair bunny echo shard build, so you can be running parry cheat against these two for all that matters but it won't help.
Want anoter example of a better melee hero for a similar reason? Viscous. Now with range too

>>528042542
Does blood's tribute have a small cooldown similar to armlet of mordor?

>>528042595
Yeah I mean Abrams has seen repeat nerfs because of shitters being unable to play against him properly but heroes with little to no counterplay are allowed to go crazy mode

>>528042542
I don't see how its going to be helpful here. Heroes like Mirage or Haze benefit from this the most since they won't get shut down easuily and their kit isn't heal-dependent so they aren't getting shafted by the -50% heal. I'd go as far as to say that building this on Abrams is griefing.

>>528042634
no but the -50 hp/s and massive healing reduction makes it scary to use

>>527985781

>>528042834
I.. dont know? His stats were weirdly similar in pro and noob brackets, people playing him had the most deaths on average, he was picked frequently in those lil pro games but not a 100% pick/ban either.
I see no reason why he got hit with a bunch of nerfs repeatedly, did IceFrog expect him to be busted wit the item rework? then why nerf his charge, its not like he autowins lanes either.
I just don't understand the reasoning behind some balance decisions at all.

>>528043853
Can you coach me on voice chat please

>>528025446
Killing the ult CD is kind of boring as it doesn't really change gameplay much. It's already super low with improved CDR and charges. I'd say flight could go on it's normal CD if you get tagged with PS or knockdown while it's active and still not be useless. the movement utility of being able to drop flight whenever you wanted would be enough for me to have fun.

how to fix vindicta
crow replaced with FEET!
when cast, enemies in the aoe will be forced to target her feet for X seconds and will be disarmed

>>528044436
Except we already had it with Google Maps Vindicta and IceFrog killed it

Okay real question: what if heroes like Holliday/Calico/Sinclair aren't busted but everyone else is underpowered? Why wait for the powercreep when we can have it right now?
What if this game went DotaImba route like, well, Dota2 did and we got only insanely powerful heroes from now on, with everyone else being brought up to standard? Would this improve the game?

>>528043034
You don't keep tribute turned on for the entirety of a fight, you quick toggle it when you melee and toggle it off again after. The healing debuff is inconsequential regardless of whether your character has healing in their kit or not.

>>528046270
Honestly, that's a pretty reasonable take. Those heroes are strong because everyone else gotten a year of nerfs. Go post this on the forums.

>>528045857
bringing back something a hero used to be able to do at baseline as an upgrade is like icefraud's signature move

>>528046270
>would this improve the game?

no, sounds like DL a year ago and it was just mostly cheese strats

>>528047178
You know what, I will, time to actually contribute to the game. Not that anyone will read it but its something

Thoughts?

https://tiermaker.com/create/deadlock-heroes-up-to-january-2025-patch-17826304

>>528044117
It's unironically because he rapes noobs. That's all. Making his charge 40 second cd til maxed is directly nerfing him so bad people that can't dodge charge won't get hit by it as much in lane. I don't see any other reason he got changed like this besides that

>that warden who says he's turning off his body camera before he ult jumps into the fray

>>527985781
heh

>>528050091
giving off femboy vibes

>>528049858
For what? Pubs?

>>528046270
How is Sinclair busted? Isn't he the worst statistically?

>>528050783
yeah general. what applies to 95% of players, general lobbies. but i'd say probably ritualist and above. so not super high tier, but at least the players know how the game works.

>>527998063
Bomb now has charges, time between uses while charged is same as it is now but charges come back twice as slow. Starts with 2 charges. Decrease base AOE of bomb so that you can reliably dash out of it instead of getting cucked by the very edge of it no matter what. Decrease base damage and offload some of the missing damage to T3.
Her bomb shouldn't be a fuck-you free easy no-LOS fire-and-forget nuke.

>>528050960
He can hex you for like 8 seconds and it's a big aoe and it's not even an ultimate ability.

>>528009801
>the rope
Needs an area like warden's immobilize. If I can get the fuck away from her bullshit damage-shitting zero-skill-required kit she shouldn't be able to grapple across the entire map.
Max duration of flying on the rope (1.5 seconds) or make the rope a skillshot, travel at like 2/3rds speed of bebop hook.

>>528051037
You're definitely overvaluing Mo in that case, he only dominates games where the opposition hasn't a clue how to counter-build or have the experience to spot a setup for him grabbing someone. I'd also swap Wraith and Vyper's positions.

>>528051498
I don't know why you think an ability that has the potential to put yourself into a worse position relative to the enemy team should be slower than an ability that puts someone else in a worse position relative to your team.

I agree that 2 needs tweaking though, if at least to make it behave in a sensible way re: environment. If bebop's hook target can get caught on terrain and eventually just cancel, so should her 2.

>>528049901
He gently caresses the noobs compared to guys like Geist, Calico and Warden
>>528050960
Easy laner, tremendous damage in the late game, also AoE hex is diabolical

>>527998271
post tracklock

>>528050783
Pubes

Thoughts?

>reduce antiheal all across the board
>make healbane an untenable purchase due to the reduced item slots
>surprised when infernus and geist are raping every match
that's our valve!

>>528056027
>untenable purchase due to the reduced item slots
skill issue

>>528055559
ive has a hairy asshole too

>>528056730
hellbane is shit/support item
1.6k item that doess not upgrade,no good stats and the heal is mediocre early and terrible late game

>>528054386
statlocker is better 100%. use statlocker instead

>>528057109
What would the best anti-heal item be then? Toxic bullets?

>>528057818
>brawl/overwatch tier weighted stat website is better bro
okay whatever post statlocker

>>528058397
it's only 30%

>>528055559
vindicta might go one tier up considering the era she is from
geist i don't see having that much so knock her one tier down
paradox is ok but her accent makes me think she might belong in hairy

>>528058397
it depends on the hero anon
you are not going to buy an item just for the healing reduction
thats why if you buy healbane on cores, you are griefing your team

>>528056027
Infernus isn't raping every match and isn't comparable to Geist though. Otherwise agree with you

>>528048152
retard

>>528058397
depends on the hero:

- I like healbane on abrams, lash, shiv - they're either about sticking in their face dealing spirit damage or doing consecutive spirit burst (lash)

- toxic bullets is good on spammy gun characters, infernus, mirage, haze

- headshot is great on pure gun carries

- decay is a good pick on melee tank characters that aren't about consecutive spirit damage

heroes ranked on how easy it is to carry the four or five slavic sub humans on your team. moral of the story: always queue a carry unless you want your team's only carries to be 80 iq and speaking russian.

>>528059895
nobody misses mega rat ivy, piss off

>>528061885
Calico is actually hard to carry on because she can't take objectives well
>Ask carry to push a walker with me on Calico
>They just shoot at the defender instead of melting the walker in 10 seconds

>>528062143
Learn to punch them you pussy bitch ass nigga

>>528057109
its incredibly cheap, just sell it later moron

>>528058737
Geist is french. She belongs in her own tier at the top.

>>528062143
you pick calico to snowball off the other team's russians and end games at 20.

>>528061885
Geist and Warden should be in their own tier above everyone else, Vyper should move up a tier and Shiv should be in can work because gun Shiv is actually a strong carry if you actually know how to play him

>>528061885
>mfw I spent the laning phase asking Pocket not to teleport under the walker to feed the enemy
>he dies 4 times in a row and types cyka in chat

>>528062764
that doesn't happen in my shitlow, i roam early game and help every lane win then they just jungle for 40 minutes or take a stupid BROOL up a lane that isn't pushed and all die. sure statistically probably still slightly increases my chances of a win but i dont have an iron grip on the game like i do with a gun carry

>>528055559
vindictas hairy mound on my mouth

>>528066365
Sounds like fake and/or retardation

>ask team to push early
>team starts talking shit because i'm low farmed and 'it means i'm not doing enough for the game'
>ignore them and hard defend/run urn rest of game
>goes fine for ~40 minutes until they actually need me to push one of their bad team fights
>by now I haven't taken the bait for so long they're turning on eachother and I'm leading the most vocal by 10k
>mention that they would have more farm if they were doing more for the game
>team proceeds to melt down for the rest of the time it takes the enemy to push across and win (a while because I had kept walkers up)

>>528058737
Vindicta was in jungle tier but she was killed when she was a teenager so IDK if she would fit in with the 120 year old french lady and the tomboy mechanic

>>528066365
midboss area will be filled with water next month

>>528068428
We've had concept art for the map that's basically venice, with canals running everywhere. That's obviously why they need water areas, and they need heroes to be able to swim because lmao if you could do something like dunk the entire team into an instant-death drown zone with a Lash ult.

So I guess Midboss is gonna remain this frumpy brussels sprout monster. Considering how important and central it is you'd think they'd give it a more interesting design, or at least a fucking name besides "midboss"

>>528070358
>The Amber Hand: "Wait, you've all been spelling his name 'Midboss'? Mehd'Baas, Father of the Dark Denizens, the Endless Cycle, the Under-Watcher?

Once this game escapes the current state its in and gets a more sizeable influx of new players, all of you chads are gonna shoot up the ranks. Believe it. Right now this is the toughest Deadlock will probably ever be and your dedication will be rewarded with a very respectable rank in due time

>>528071749
>Viscous: 'I thought we were saying "mid bass"'
>Yamato: "何って言ったの?"

>>528071839
one day yoshi will personally recognize us all for our efforts...inshallah, we shall receive many likes in yoshi heaven...

>>528071839
Sorry but I do not believe that. The majority of people still playing this are irredeemably retarded
Like not knowing the basic objective and going for it makes you dumber than dumb. These fags are going to be catapulted down to the green/blue rank and fester there until Steam goes under

>>528072816
>valve devs b like

>>528072816
>valve devs kicking the can that is deadlock down the road until gabe finally dies and someone takes over steam who sells everything

>>528070358
Midboss needs to be a giant fucking rat with laser eyes.

>>528071839
Nah not me, I'm garbage at this game

Curse should make you unable to be rescue beamed

the most coinflippy players in this game have to be voiceline spammers, they either are involved with every kill and pop off or chainfeed

>>528076409
WHAT'S THE PLAN?
GOING IN!
WHAT'S THE PLAN??
GOING IN!!

sometimes i play against bots just so that i can remember what its like to win a game

>>528076996
dawg....

>>528071839
>archon rank
>kill an enemy wraith
>she drops 900 souls
>hop to grab it
>infernus teammate jumps on top of it too, dynamo black holes us both

Even at theoretically +2 standard deviations above the average player, people are still ungodly selfish and greedy. I don't know why but infernus pickers are particularly bad

>>528077607
>I don't know why but infernus pickers are particularly bad
He's a brotha so it just brings it out of people you know

Are side lanes more important to win because of urn?

>>528076409
>>528076842
literally me

Is anyone here ACTUALLY incapable of getting an invite? If so post your ID I can send some out

should have left this garbage uninstalled

>>528080063
>No greens
Checks out

Anyone have a Vindicta or Wraith build they like? Wanna try new stuff out or something consistent generally I just freeball on them

starting to think mostly eu people use this general cause it's so dead at this time

it's amazing you know you've immediately lost the lane and then the game when you never hear your lane partner fire their gun

SHOOT THEM DUMB FUCK

if they're on the FUCKING BRIDGE SHOOT THEM OFF HOLY SHIT

>>528080750
>a general free of 'muricunts
A blessing

ivy builds i've tried
>full melee
>spirit combo melee
>echo shart melee
>support melee
>long range rat
>point blank gun
>gun/spirit hybrid
>kevlar combo
thanks for reading my blogpost

the supports are so easy and overpowered to stack heals and debuff removers valve needs to stop coddling faggots and women so much

6 mans is stupid
5 man this shit already

>>528080274
No greens? these niggers have no brains

>>528081721
Thought she was holding her panties to her chest

>>528070358
>>528074060
honestly a shame that valve created unique and interesting NPC's full of character and Dota games get...NPC's with no character or personality that stand still then die

>>528085828
Roshan has plenty of personality

>>528081721
Ugly ass rat.

>>528088351
no you are ugly!!!!!!!!!!

>>528081721
have u tried.... ult build

>>528089314
yeah that's the kevlar combo one

>>528089440
hav u tride the shoot at them n then reload ur gun to shoot at them sum moar build?

>enemy goes all spirit
>ha this will be easy are they stupid?
>entire teams just goes with their dogshit builds and refuse to build spirit res
>beg them to buy spirit res, get ignored, stomped completely

yoshi please let me punch through the monitor

>>528090516
>Enemy team full of gun carries
>Rush juggernaut and btfo them
God I love counterbuilding

>>528090516
>buy spirit res
>still taking 700 per grey arrow
>still taking 800 per geist bomb
>still getting CC'd for 7 seconds
>still getting 10 skills instantly dumped on you in team fights

Heyyyy but at least the item actually achieves its value when you're already about to die, right?

>>528092320
buy spellbreaker you fucking mouthbreather

We should coordinate hero labs queues for NA. I've been sitting here for 20 minutes waiting for a match. Would be fun to get some other anons in on this.

>>528092432
why dont i just fill half my slots with spirit resist while im at it you fucking spoon. i dont need these items, i use this crazy item called <stamina mastery> to nope out of all bad situations. mans im pretty tired of your tone im pretty sure ive met piece of fruit that are more educated than you maybe go get good my mans like watrthose u fuckin unc dookie aura farmer

>>528092320
>play calico
>team is playing just outside their base
>dive their team to make them go fully into their base
>get a pick but they just stop what they are doing to look at me instead of retreating
>cursed
>cursed again
>cant ult and die
>"ok it is a 5v5 and they are all pretty low you win that :D"
>team gets wiped
>they do mid boss and get 2 walkers
>lose
never rely on your team to do literally anything, your life is the only one that has any actual value and the only way anyone will be able to live or get a pick is if you are involved in the fight

>>528092625
sounds fun anon! how about we wait about 15 minutes so enough anons can see?

>>528092625
To play what? Wrecker's kit is boring, ravens is unfinished, trappers is shit aside from his webs, fathom is also boring.

>>528092432
>buy a t4 item to reduce one of the 10 nukes you'll get hit by
good idea you fucking queer

I think it was retarded that they nerfed the two resilience items.

>>528050091
I was looking into it a bit more, the way it calculates 'MVP' ranking is a bit bullshit. I found a game where I did the most objective damage on both teams and it put me #11.

I also just lost a game where the Wraith complains about 'typical deadlock' where she completely abandoned lane to farm and then when we're under huge pressure she's just farming a T3 camp.

It's frustrating knowing that I would likely hold my own in lobbies 2 ranks up and have a better time overall because my team would handle objectives better.

>>528093786
I like Wrecker's kit.

>>528095304
i thought the same but the gap between ritualist and archon is fucking ridiculous despite only being 2 ranks away from each other, i just might not be good yet tho i have played just under 150 matches and am still having trouble idling in my emissary matches where i just sorta wait for something to happen shooting troopers instead of farming efficiently

>>528095741
You might be right, but the game's got a bit weird. high ritualist feels like high archon used to, except that people are worse at macro. I don't really get it.

dear paradox mains

stop fucking jungling you worthless cocksuckers

>>528092986
t. 3-9 haze player

calico seems to be bugged for me, whenever i heavy melee on her she steps back

I hope we get some more japanese heroes. If we can have multiple ugly sheboons on the roster at least match it with some yellow cuties in schoolgirl outfits.

>>528085828
Yeah man grey hulk is totally cooler than immortal godzilla thief punished by the god of merchants to be an eternal victim of armed robbery

>>528096971
Paradox can literally clear out camps so early just with their nade, what subhumans are you getting that are actually actively sitting in jungle?

>>528098695
when are they going to de-egghead yamato?
her model is fucking huge and it just looks stupid

>>528095304
Objective damage isn’t really indicative of overall value. The ranking looks at all stats. Also, that’s just one game.

>>528101592
Fan made. But it would be cool. I actually think they shouldn’t modernize her. The idea of those old Japanese yakuza-esque groups is that they didn’t wanna change with the times.

>>528103394
>guy asks when theyll de-egg yamato
>posts a model where her head is unchanged
You are a stupid nigger

>Got put against not 1, but two smurfs
Kino

>>528103532
First of all, that’s her hair you fucking idiot. Also this appears to be a fan made skin so it has to conform to her current models’ dimension

Being rude doesn’t make you cool

>>528103224
There's also tards that will be losing a game and they just start throwing by holding W on enemy base no matter what's happening, get a walker and a shrine or some shit while the enemy base is finishing off our weakened patron just so they can stat pad.

There's a Vyper in my games that pretty often if he doesn't like how a game is going will just run it down 1 lane over and over again until he eventually gets something despite it providing no value at that point.

>>528103738
you are retarded and no it doesnt have to conform, just look at the 2B skin

winrate is the only legitimate way to determine skill. any other system that can get designed will just be studied and exploited for freelo climbing.

>>528103532
Hehehe, you are silly anon. It’s just a fan made re skin, they gotta keep it the same size as the normal one I think :)

>>528103629
Smurfs in closed alpha game is wild

>>528103738
Yeah :)

>>528103754
I don’t know how yall have such bad teammates. I guess I have them too but I’m more focused on being epic sauce that I don’t think about it much. Deadlock has quite a lot of nuance and skill expression, small small changes make each fight that much easier for u. That’s how I view it.

>>528103986
I'm sorry anon, 30 cm foreheads are a japanese beauty standard
weebs love that shit

>>528104445
I hover between Phantom and Oracle which I still consider shitlow tbf but bad teammates are extremely common, I also think average lobby ranks is a lie to be fair. Either that or a ton of people are either too high or too low ranked and it's fucking shit up. I feel like most accounts got locked into a certain range and it's impossible to break out. Tons of shitty Eternus players that don't derank, goes for any other rank too. Then on the flipside sometimes you get actual demons that are just low ranked for no reason. Seen plenty of smurfs that basically just stay stuck in red or purple rank maybe because performance isn't taken into account when ranking up and down, either way makes for a miserable experience for everyone but them.

Fuck smurfs and fuck Valve for making forced ranked even be a thing, nobody is happy with the current state of the game in that regard.

>win lane
>lose game

>>528085828
a tank (even an AI one) would genuinely be infinitenly funner to fight against in the mid boss arena than the current mid boss
might actually give a reason for people to try to avoid that place too

>chases you
>he WILL catch you if you aren't careful
>he can throw either objects that do a quarter of your health at you or map objects for a full kill early on
>fuckton of health but not fuckoff huge like current midboss

actually is there even a fucking point for the midboss to spawn minute 10? who the fuck is gonna do it by then?

>159 total games
>67.9% win rate
>ritualist 1

>84 total games
>59.5% win rate
>archon 6

RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL
RANK IS NOT REAL
>RANK IS NOT REAL

>>528107757
More like whatever rank you got initially placed is just what you stay at for some reason, Even Eternus players say this happens because they have lots of bots in their lobbies that just placed Eternus early on usually stacking with friends.

>>528106842
winning/losing lane phase is pretty much irrelevant from my experience, i have had games where all 3 lanes get steamrolled but we still win pretty easily since my team just plays better the entire rest of the match
>laning lasts 10 minutes
>rest of the match is 15-30 minutes

>>528107210
>a tank
how about they just place a literal grim reaper there?
I mean you're fighting for a "rejuvenator", so why not

>>528107832
i started played this month and was alchemist because i have never played a game like this before but learn fast
now i have been steamrolling literally every lobby but 16 wins in a row is not enough to go from arcanist 6 to ritualist 1 for some reason and so im stuck against people with thousands of matches played who are still shit at the game

>>528108028
>16 wins in a row is not enough to go from arcanist 6 to ritualist 1 for some reason
that's not possible
arcanist is 1 rank up/down per game

>>528108183
Hidden MMR is probably a thing

>>528108183
>only losses are from teammate abandoning and first timing holliday
more on the other pages btw

are the fuckhuge circles around the stealth items REALLY necessary?

why does it feel like 90% of the builds are just random shit people bought while stomping?

>>528110571
if a build works really well then you make a build
some characters are forced into literally a single build like calico or haze, others have to think a little bit more about what they are buying when it comes to defensive items

>>528105512
Why’re you being such a doomer anon lol. It’s in closed alpha. Not even open beta. I’ve had a ton of fun playing the game overall, despite its flaws. In fact, I’d consider it comparable to fully released, finished competitive games like overwatch, or apex legends or whatnot. Deadlock is doing pretty good

>>528111042
this a million times, i havent played marvel rivals in over 3 weeks since playing this game for the first time

>>527910530
Because they nerfed the fun out of getting better at the game. All the skill expression is in macro and builds now, it's all just farming. No movement, no skillshots, no gigabrain techs with your spells, nothing. You can only play the way Valve intended: Dota 2. How did Valve completely lose sight of what made the game so good?

>>528111042
Wasn't really that much of a doompost moreso a criticism of them making the game ranked only while also fumbling the ranked system, casuals don't wanna play with tryhards especially when it's this fucky

>>528093786
Raven has aura though

>>528111331
Rivals pissed me off. I hated being able to alllmost jump a ledge, but because it’s just a pixel too high I can’t go up there. Games that have hard roles in place will always have winners and losers. A character like the punisher cannot ever be as equal as a character like Spider-Man, or groot. I like the soft nature of deadlock. Sure, dynamo is more support oriented, or lash is more spirit oriented. But it’s a suggestion more than a requirement. And the movement is fucking niiiiiiceeee

>>528111751
Uhh. Blud forgot they added counter spell to the game, or crushing fists, or focus lens, or witch mail? There’s a ton of uniqueness now more than before. But I agree on the farming part. With the change to 3 lanes, perhaps the map width should’ve been reduced instead of putting more farms down. I’m sure they’re testing such changes out even now.

>>528111803
Well, the game is pretty small rn. I’ve heard murmurs that around July is when it’ll go open beta. Then we’ll see how the player counts and match quality shift.

>>528111042
>Why’re you being such a doomer anon lol. It’s in closed alpha. Not even open beta
when i see people posting this i genuinely wanna ask if this shit is their first valve game or something because otherwise i simply cannot believe how ingenuous someone can be

>team with more get-away-with-it heroes wins every time
fascinating how a moba designed around countless interconnected stabilization mechanics, stalemate breakers and resource manage still manages to make every ounce of it irrelevant when mm gives one team calico haze and wraith

>SHOP UPDATE!
>invis items are still dogshit
>echo shard shattered
>new items that could offer a new interesting way to play are basically throw tier (cheat death, witchmail
>other half of the new items are just upgrades to old items
>at least the actives are good, r-right?
here's a squid that does some AOE bullshit and pulls people towards the middle that'll be 6400k +tip +tax please

Now that the honeymoon phase is over, can we just accept this update really wasn't all that good to begin with?

>>528112258
>Uhh. Blud forgot they added counter spell to the game, or crushing fists, or focus lens, or witch mail? There’s a ton of uniqueness now more than before. But I agree on the farming part. With the change to 3 lanes, perhaps the map width should’ve been reduced instead of putting more farms down. I’m sure they’re testing such changes out even now.

Those items are based, but that wasn't where the fun was at. I unironically loved 4 lane because of what a clusterfuck it was, I want to gank, I want to shove and roam. So many fun things got nerfed so retards would actually play the positioning game like a traditional MOBA, but did it never occur to Valve that everyone was just brooling like retards because that's where the fun was at? They made itemization simpler and easier to pick up, but it's still the same shit. Using or being hit by curse doesn't give me the dopamine.
There's been so many spells like Bebop's Uppercut or Lash Stomp where they juiced them the fuck up to the point of any retard being unable to whiff them after everyone found ways to play around it. Now you just have to sit there and take it 9/10 times, or build around it.

>>528112918
the new shop is overwhelmingly better than the old shop but it's still full of a bunch of bullshit that SOUNDS useful and then you buy it and cannot feel its impact whatsoever

>>528113023
I feel you, once you understand how to actually build properly, you understand how little variety there actually is for each hero. There's a lot of funny or cool items that I never get to use because it's basically inting to buy them. I could smurf so I can get away with retard builds, but I fucking hate smurfs.

>>528113023
i think a lot of items especially activates are just inferior 90% of the time
divine barrier is a tier 4 that basically acts as a get out of jail free card if you get hit by affliction or saving a teammate from wraith ult, but debuff remover as a t3 is better for basically everything else in the game unless you want ability range or are deep enough into the match that you have infinite souls
meanwhile silencer is literally the most useless thing in the game as a t4 outclassed by basically every active

Do I rush echo shart on bebop or not?

>>528113430
Divine Barrier is great on Viscous.

>>528113383
>shadow weave
>cheat death
>focus lens
>magic carpet
>metal skin
>veil walker

>>528112634
until it offiicially releases, bells and whistles all.
i will treat it as if it's an indev test

i do this for all games, and i am not going to make exceptions because it's Valve, when the game releases i will sing a different tune

>>528112634
Whaaa

>>528112870
Slowing hex, slowing hex, slowing hex. I’m not super high elo, just around oracle, but even in my lobbies wraiths will never buy debuff remover if I buy slowing hex or silence wave to counter them.

>>528112918
Granted I agree that an item like focus lens which is 6400 gets cancelled out by 1 item which is 3200 (debuff remover). But overall the shop is a net positive. Let’s poeple be more flexible and also more specific. The one downside is certain builds (gun build infernus) can be really tough to itemize against.

>>528112956
You know what I sort of agree. I liked the chaos of 4 lanes mostly because it was fighting first, farming second. Right now it’s a mixture of both. I feel like lane phase should be more deciding. I’ll have lanes where I get 5 kills early on and only be ahead by like 500 souls? Cmon dude. Gimme more souls for kills.

Funny you mention bebop and lash, I almost always build warp stone into those and I basically get away Scot free. The same tards who rely entirely on those abilities are the same ones who have no idea what just happened if u warp right out of there. Better yet, counter spell that shit

>>528113023
Idk. I wish I could agree but I’ve personally witnessed differently. I had a game today where a friend kept getting raped by a vyper jumping him over and over. But when I fought the vyper, I was fine. Turns out my build; berserker, battle vest etc had more bullet resist + hunters aura. So the vyper couldn’t fire rate burst me down.

I think the new shop introduces a lot of nuance that wasn’t there before, but the nuance can be subtle enough that some people wouldn’t really notice it.

>>528113489
No lol

>>528113642
> 4 T4 items
Bro as soon as you get one of those, the game is basically over. I miss when veil walker was good.

>>528113806
>I almost always build warp stone into those and I basically get away Scot free

Exactly. You either sit there and take it, or you build around it. Yeah yeah I get it, it's a moba yada yada that's how they play, but that was always my least favorite part of mobas besides giving me ass cancer. It was more fun when you could double jump over lash jump or use heavy melee to negate uppercut. It's not like those rendered the abilities useless either, there were was to play around that. They decided to make the game less fun for no good reason.

>Up against a 3 stack that's just deathballing everywhere
>Early game we're getting raped
>Pull it back
>Win the game
>They all whine as we're shooting patron that we're boring tryhards
These niggas have 0 awareness huh? I wish true soloq was a thing. Shit like this makes me wonder how many stomps are simply due to stacks being involved in the mix, especially ones where it's a high elo guy being dragged down by lower rank friends.

>>528114167
Cont.

I just don't get what Valve wants out of Deadlock. They simplified macro and made it for retards because hey it's a third person shooter, some things don't mix. Then, they decide to simplify everything micro and shooter, and for what? Now the game is just retarded farming simulator for retards. Who is this game for?

>>528112918
no but i can accept that you are a retard tho

>>528114501
people that aren't absolutr fags like you

>>528114651
cmon man, you could at least be funny about it.

>>528114501
i am starting to think the best thing to do is encourage way more fighting in lanes and way less farming camps, right now in lower elos where people do not farm efficiently and tend to be in super long fights for no reason the entire map has farm everywhere and a haze can get 15k souls above the rest of the lobby with 0 kills and assists just by destroying camps almost instantly

>>528110429
Pisslows would piss and shit their pants, please understand :(

Viscous is genuinely one of the most cancerous heroes to go against and I don't know why he doesn't get more shit, especially when it comes to early game / lane

kek

>>528117063
viscous has barebones mechanical complexity, which is less cancer tham w+m1 shred

>>528117381
the raped

>>528117381
Unironically agree. Infernus rn needs to rush ricochet, toxic bullets and fire rate and decimates everything.

You CAN itemize against him with hunters aura, suppressor and juggernaut but that’s several items just for one guy. It’s tough. Disarming hex works till they buy debuff remover.

>>528114167
You csn still dodge lash slam no? At least uppercut doenst fully lock out movement anymore.

>>528117381
He's right.
>>528117440
t. Nigfernus abuser

>>528117381
>this moba sucks
>I'll play football instead
???

can I mod every hero model to be the size of a building and visible across the map?

>>528117573
Might not play any deadlock until we get a new update idk. 0 Spirit Infernus is the strongest build in the game and hasn't been patched in weeks so if Yoshi doesn't drop something soon I think I'm just waiting for Rematch.

>>528107210
>actually is there even a fucking point for the midboss to spawn minute 10? who the fuck is gonna do it by then?
People used to go as 6 and punch it to death straight away

>>528119289
level 1 roshan fights are kino. bring it back

>>528119289
that hasn't been the case in how fucking long again? gating rosh behind a timer is retarded and has always been but at the very least time it right
honestly the more i think about midboss the more i dislike it. it's not like urn where i genuinely can't think of a way to make it better, more balance or more interactive it's just that the devs think the entirety of midboss HAS to be the rejuv drop apparently and actually killing the thing does not matter at all

Wait you guys actually like PvE?

>>528120780
I'd rather play singleplayer L4D than first person dota jungler yeah

>>528068898
Can you post this art? First time I've heard this, there was a river in Neon Prime but it was more like a shallow stream so no swimming required

>>528121019
then why are you itt gayboy? go grab yer gas cans

>Talon in my game running a build specifically to bird their spawn over and over doing literally nothing else so enemy waves are constantly lagging
Kek

>Archon 2 game
>my Ivy goes rescue beam healing nova and ends the game with 9k healing and damage
I FUCKING HATE SUPPORT TRANNIES SO FUCKING MUCH
THE FUCKING "Carry me please uwu" BUILD IS FUCKING DOGSHIT
YOU'RE FUCKING DOGSHIT
BUILD SOME FUCKING DAMAGE
STOP PRAYING TO BE CARRIED EVERY FUCKING GAME WHILE GRIEFING AS THIS USELESS DOGSHIT HEALER NOBODY NEEDS

>>528123964
This 100%, its time people realised there are no roles in Deadlock for a reason, contribute to the actual fight or fuck off

>>528123964
Nova does 1k healing each time it's used on more than 2 heroes and rescue beam is 20% for 2 heroes each time. He didn't even use it 9 times??

>>528124052
I agree, fuck all support items actually. the ONLY tolerable one is restorative locket because at least you have to be near gameplay to abuse it
I think anyone who rushes rescue beam as their first t3 should be castrated and banned.
>>528124132
>He didn't even use it 9 times??
No, he rushed rescue beam first item too btw. 2nd lowest healing on the entire fucking team as healer Ivy.
LIKE WE LITERALLY IN NOT A SINGULAR WAY, NEED YOU TO GO THOSE SHIT ASS ITEMS
"Healer" PLAYERS ARE FUCKING SUBHUMAN

>>528124132
I think you are unfamiliar with ovewatch/lol of legends support mentality. These cunts will sit back throughout the entire fight, doing literally nothing but throwing heals
>player damage?
>onjective damage?
>nah, its the carry's job, let me wait for my healbomb cooldown

>>528124818
that's crazy, you're RIGHT on the money.
would you guess that the retarded Ivy from the game had a fucking overwatch support profile pic???

>>528124628
Your team doing more healing through lifesteal is so funny haha

Lash is probably one of my least favorite heroes to lane against
>Slippery
>Hits you with his autoaim 50 mile "heal" that also shits out damage for some reason constantly
>Can stall out lanes with ult

>buy counterspell
>never use it
they gotta let me slot that shit in the active slots so I can remember I fucking have it.
like when you buy something that augments a base mechanic like that add it to the side bar.

>>528113430
Is Silencer that useless? I buy it as my first T4 on a few characters since it helps secure kills from slippery fucks (though I can see the argument that Slowing Hex/ Silence Wave does the same thing for much cheaper)

>>528128630
Compare it to any other of the orange t4s and you will see just how bad it is

>>528128630
>Is Silencer that useless?
when you buy an item, think about what you're purchasing it for.
the silence? Silence wave is, cheaper, has spirit res shred AND reduces their spirit power by 18 on top of silencing in an AOE.
the spirit damage reduction? see above but also Inhibitor is a GLOBAL damage reduction on top of healing reduction.
Plus, the worst thing about silencer is that you do not get to choose when it goes off.
you need to silence that giest before she ults? better hope you kill her in the first short ass silence or else she's fucking immune to your item for the next 10 seconds.
plus you have to BUILD IT UP, which is not good for instant "I need this fucker silenced now" like seeing a Dynamo jumping in/Pocket jumping in.
it's a fucking terrible item that nobody should build.
there is not a one use case for that item.

They’re going to give him a tail.

>>528129264
>Make him look like a monkey
Bit racist valve

>>528129054
even the fuckin tier 3s. Cultist, burst fire, Berserker, Weighted shots, blood tribute all fucking mog it for the slot. much less something like Lucky shot, Armor piercing rounds, Glass Cannon
it could be dropped to a 3200 as is and it'd only be okayish.
>>528129264
the model is looking fantastic, not too fond of the tail though. hope they don't go through with that.

>>528129054
I think my issue is that none of the T4 gun items stand out. If I buy Ricochet I only really want to be doing a debuff build. If I buy Glass Cannon, I become even squishier (if I'm Haze).

>>528129398
Lucky Shot and Armour Piercing Rounds are very strong items for increasing your damage

>>528129428
I feel like people rarely have Bullet Resilience or Plated Armor in my games. For Lucky Shot, nobody seems to put it in builds anymore so I figured it was bad now.

>>528129624
It's good for damage if your defences are covered and have enough fire rate

>>528129264
ehhh if its a kind of devils tail ok, but this makes him look like a furry
das not it mane

>>528129264
Nice to see the fake experimental build mod put to good work.
The version of Infernus with a tail is from February of last year. Do you really think they'd have an A-posing WIP model in the client where they're testing gameplay changes?

>>528129264
>skinny thing you can wrap in one hand and pull

Made for buck breaking.

>>528123964

>>528132910
>waiting minutes for a queue
>get this freakazoid on your team
>know for a fact you'll be spending the next 25+ minutes losing a 5v6
>get ultra cancer if this retard is your lane partner
for game health they need to remove rescue beam and healing nova.
I am not even joking.

>>528129157
Wait, Silencer gives +14% spirit resist and then -25% Spirit Damage on the target. It has good utility outside of the Silencing effect which could be quite useful in a fight against a Spirit hero

>>528134041
then just get inhib and reduce the damage of the person overall instead by tapping them with a shot???
it's a dogshit meme item, bro.

>>528124873
Its not crazyness, its pattern recognition. Seen this before a couple times, and every time the retard in question gets assmad upon realising the game doesn't follow the same cookie cutter role philosoophy he has been conditioned to.
Also weirdly enough none of these fags were women, guess grills in this game are refugees who are tired of playing healslut heroes elsewhere
>>528129264
Cute, Charmander tail lmaaaao
>>528129774
Exactly, he and Abrams need the triangle thing at the tail end

>>528132910
I want to murder this thing

>>528135909
>>528133124

>>528132897
Do you think romantically inclined ixians tangle their hands together like an alternative to h*ndholding?
>>528137532
This is great

>>528140517

>>528140517
>tangle their hands together
tails, I meant tails, whatever

>>528132910
the virgin sup ivy vs the chad whatever the fuck this is ivy

>>528142619

give me your ideas to fix mid boss
everything from the securing method, to the area he is in, to his looks even the effect of the rejuv

>>528147771
the mid boss being secured through melee is honestly as good as it can be unless melee is removed from the game. Adds some stakes to the fights there

>>528147771
Whatever he is he shouldn't just be something you can walk into and afk/auto attack like roshan is

>>528147771
It's mostly just the effect. It's not strong enough to end games, but it is strong enough to stall games.

>>528145517
>yfw enemy builds Plated Armor and Juggernaut

>>528153582
Exactly, in Dota2 Aegis means you have a 6th life on your team, so you can take more risks in the teamfight. In Deadlock you're just going to run back from base earlier than before, while the losing side is stuck dealing with the creeps.
There is no excitement factor, no outplay potential. I suggest changing it to ''you respawn on the spot instantly with 50% hp and reduced cooldowns''.
Also change the Midboss to a big mutated alligator

>>528118846
No arrow, therefore you look like this.

>>528155142
Honestly? Pitch that to Yoshi. They have an unhealthy obsession with trying to make soul rebirth work, they'll eat that shit right up.

>>528155483
I can't because I'm retarded, I see hero, item suggestions on the forums, bugfix reports, but no general ''I want this thing about the game changed'' topic. there was another suggestion I wanted to make about the general trend in the hero balancing, but I have no idea where to post it.
Should I try Discord instead? I didnt join it because I hate trannies

>>528152434
okay. what's your alternative?

>>528114501
>these things don't mix
>game has successfully mixed these things and we've been playing it off and on for a year

are you stupid or something?

>>528155786
private game feedback forum

>>528155832
tentacle monster with various appendages that pop up in different spots of the arena requiring them to be shot first before you can drop the middle

>>528155142
Instantly usually just means you're dead again, the reason Soul Rebirth was busted was because you had control over when to pop if for a few seconds. I almost wonder if it's possible to do something like give the player a ghost to control for a moment to reposition themselves, not enough to get far but maybe they can sneak into a tuck room or just around a corner so they're not in plain sight of an ongoing team nuke.

>>528155786
When in doubt, general gameplay. They don't check feedback as often since they made the secret build, but they still do read it every now and then. It makes sense, small dev team and big playerbase.

>>528156037
I could see this working. All 6 players would need to be there if they want to defeat midboss.
someone would need to tank the damage from the main head, otherwise it would attack the other players busy dealing with the tentacles.
maybe the midboss could be something else than a tentacle monster but i like the concept.

>>528129428
APR is bugged on haze and doesn't benefit your fixation damage.

>>528155142
make it 75% hp and it would be perfect

>>528156843
I'm just running with the laziest easiest least thought out idea, the true corporate way

>>528156080
I understand what you mean but since my suggestion is to give this effect to all heroes on your team, it might be needed to baalnce it out. Or at least give a 3 sec animation like in Dota2
>>528157524
Kinda busted no?
>>528156232
>>528156007
Thanks, I'll try this

Valve needs to add a cop hero to this game.

>>528147771
when mid boss is defeated instead of a crystal descending an altar ascends from the sewers that has to be channeled for like 3-5 seconds. when you finish the channel the person channeling is swallowed by a giant worm and takes control of it gaining four new abilities focused on pushing the enemy base. when the worm is killed it spits out your hero and burrows away

*raises paw*

I think mid boss is fine and your ideas are unneeded, we already had periods where taking mid boss guaranteed wins and it wasn't that fun

>>528161927
TRVTHNVKE

>>528161927
>paw

was gonna post this on the forums, but devs lurk here anyway

suppression upgrade idea -> T4 - Suppression Field

in addition to suppressor effects, it now reduces outgoing weapon damage -25% and slows reload time -25% for 4s off of spirit damage

easy upgrade for tank frontliners trying to disrupt the wraiths, hazes, and infernus

>>528163639
>devs lurk here anyway
Nah they don't, no sane person will go here trying to get smth useful out of all the whining

>>528164261
hope yoshi sees this bro

a shooter where fighting other players is suboptimal is never going to have more than 10k players

>>528165018
grok is this real

>>528165402
ye

>>528158385
>Kinda busted no?
shouldn't it be busted to close games or get big leads on the game? and is not like players will not find ways to fuck it up by wasting it calling a bad play or playing very passively

>>527890781 (OP)
One of the most OP whores in the game.

What is the most retard proof hero in the game? I'll start.

>no need to aim just shoot at something and let ricochet do the rest
>free scaling
>free stealth
>small hitbox
>free fire rate
>nigger mascot of the game
>easy to play, no trickshots

>>528167695
Wraith does all of that better while also having a point and click stun and actual mobility instead of big ass reveal radius stealth cope.

>>528167695
>nigger mascot of the game
That's Infernus. The real retard-proof hero is Warden, with him you don't veen need to aim or counterbuild

>>528166698
I mean it should be a sizeable and hype advantage, not the 100% idiot proof win condition

>>528161179
very hots like

>draft is entirely randomized to facilitate data collection across all matches
>devs let 5 heroes dominate the meta at any given time making all outcomes decided the second draft is randomized

>>528167695
the original when zhe/them was zhing

>>528168075
>get tired of losing
>start playing warden
>75% winrate
it's THAT easy

>>528169974
how do i play pocket? all that briefcase and ghost tp seems like to much for my retard brain but i like proc builds in every game i play

>>528170783
pocket is a combo character. in isolation, his briefcase, his tp, all of that stuff may not hit as hard. but being able to hit several of them at once is why pocket seems to hit like a truck.

So regardless of which build u go, focus on chaining and linking ur abilities. also, warp stone on pocket players is pretty important. helps him be even more slippery and hard to hit.

>>528169405
what 5 heroes are meta

>>528167695
Its Mo and Krill, then Wraith, then Haze probably with Warden.

>>528170939
well what should i build on him anyways

>>528170783
don't initiate with cloak, just jump onto them and briefcase/cloak/ice/ult if you have it then jump to your cloak when they respond to the nukes

also super secret tech do not tell anyone on discordgo back in time to when he was overpowered and nobody knew what they were doing

>>528161179
Actually kino

>>528161179
>>528172069
the original 6th person idea was that the 6th would play like an RTS VR and control the patrons/walkers/gaurdians and even influence the troopers

>>528165018
Preach. If they really want to make this work, then they need to make objectives and jungle camps have more fun AI. They feel like placeholders.

>>528164261
Most of them browse reddit, but a few oldheads browse 4chan. A few threads ago there was some "I play games to turn my brain off" guy having a meltdown about being in pisslow, and a totally not valve dev asked an oddly specific question about adding more movement mechanics or adding more MOBA complexity.

>it's not a SHOOTER game, it's a box smasher game!

>>528172869
I HATE THE BOX SMASH META I HATE THE BOX SMASH META

>>528172869
Truth. If they're going to put a muzzle on the movementfags and shooterfags, they need to offer an alternative that appeals to them. The game is in a really bad spot because the fighting was the most fun part of the game, and the Dota DNA often gets in the way of that. Everywhere I go, all the players that stayed either complain about the lack of fun, or they're just Dota/LoL veterans asking for even less shooter gameplay. It makes me sad that this game is losing its way because there was nothing quite like this game, it was something actually new, it was fun. I still enjoy the game, but it feels hollow compared to the mess it was a year ago.

>>528172686
this would rule with an organized team

>emissary matches now take 5min to find
the fuck

>>528174334
it's the middle of the day, most people have jobs

>>528174891
its friday evening for eu (also sadly russia)

headhunter for Ivy? shes my best hero on tracking headshots when dumping my magazine

>>528172718
>totally not valve dev asked an oddly specific question about adding more movement mechanics or adding more MOBA complexity
I see these questions all the time here, I even post some of them myself and I assure you I'm not a Valve dev, otherwise I won't be in this shithole. Neither is literally anyone else, Valve have their own secret-er playtest now which makes the rest of us invalid.
>they need to make objectives and jungle camps have more fun AI
I agree, they benefit afk farmers too much and I don't want PvE players to have fun in this game. Make the jungle objective-focused instead or remake camps to be anything else than the gun heroes' paradize.
>>528173838
Make movement even more varied, add wallrun and proper walljump, trimping and strafe jumping. Bam, suddenly gunfags like Wraith/Haze are no longer able to get out of the fight for free

>>528175935
>do 75dmg every 8s for 3,2k souls
HEADHUNTER IS A TERRIBLE ITEM THAT SHOULDNT BE BOUGHT BY ANONE

>>528173328
>>528172869

>>528175935
+5% wpn damage
lol lmao, just buy sharpshooter and keep spraying

>>528171720
>>528170939
i tried playing him but i just suck ass. whats another character thats full proc aids

>>528176145
> I don't want PvE players to have fun in this game

Based.

>Make movement even more varied, add wallrun and proper walljump, trimping and strafe jumping. Bam, suddenly gunfags like Wraith/Haze are no longer able to get out of the fight for free

Based. As much as I love Titanfall, I don't think wallrunning belongs. They already have wallsliding and walljumping, it does the job. There was also a buff to strafejumping, but it's not getting you places. Who knows, maybe /ourguy/ joined the deadlock team?

>>528177008
mirage and infernus

>>528177171
mirage? how?

>>528177359
cause hes spreading aids on multiple people from 1km range by shooting one?

>>528177538
ive never played him so i dont really know how his passive works. every time im hit by a mirage proc it just tickles me. what am i not understanding here

>>528175935
just save for glass cannon and lucky shot

>>528177043
Well, cornerboosting got legalised so we have hope
>>528177359
Do you know Shadow Demon in Dota2? Think this but just with the shots.
If you don't know, shooting your target (not even headshotting or whatever, bodyshots too) applies a mark which slows the enemy and deals a bunch of scalable spirit damage after a certain time interval. Basically shoot to deal more damage later.

>>528167695
literally haven't seen a game without her in it
>check the eternus watch page for geist players
>only 2/8 had a Geist
>8/8 had a haze
>haze tards still down play her

>>528178536
thanks ill try him out

>>528178789
I had a game without Haze yesterday. No I wont post proofs

>>528178789
Geist was recently nerfed. She was turbo OP before the latest patch.

>>528178975
>game without Haze
no such thing

>their haze
>may or may not be aim botting, always headshots, never ever misses sleep dagger
>your haze
>never sleep daggers, doesn't even shoot heroes on bridge, claims they can't shoot grey talon "because he's in the air"

>>528178823
>>528178536
alright i love mirage now.

I honestly do not think these devs ever think for more than 30 seconds about the things they add to the game. for example
>initial map rework and how it works with lash
>literally every new hero
>initial item rework, mystic regen express shot etc
if they just thought "well what happens when we add this" they wouldn't have to patch all this shit. they are actually retarded. this aren't even wacky unintended glitches found by extensive playtesting or anything it is exactly what you would expect from adding these things to the game and they were immediately pointed out by nearly every player. like even before anyone played the new map they knew lash was going to be a problem. actual drooling retards on the dev team

>>528181809
almost like this a public test for a game that is still deeply in development and one of the most useful things about being in that state is that the devs can try things out and see how the playerbase reacts to it

what is express shot even good for outside of paradox carbine?

>>528182196
if you use it with split shot on yamato's alt fire it looks cool

>>528182196
Heroes who also build Heavy shot or whats it called, the one with the elephant

>>528182994
So shotgun heroes for the most part? Heroes that can't really afford using more than 1 shot per shot? Why?

>>528183137
More damage in less time is always good, no?

>>528183386
I'm thinking of like Abrams or Shiv and considering how shitty their mag capacity and reload speeds are and thinking it's not really worth the damage. I mean there's a reason Shiv's don't use only the alt fire other than the fire rate

>>528182196
with pocket you can arctic blast express shot mystic shot and it helps to burst people down especially with 4 briefcase stacks

>>528182085
next time can you read the other half of my post before replying thank you

>>528183497
Abrams doesn't use a speedloader so you can afford to reload a few extra bullets midfight. I don't know, maybe counteracting a weighted shot debuff could be worth it? Yeah I'm reaching already and the discussion didn't even start

>>528183886
>Abrams doesn't use a speedloader
crushing fists is your reload, on shiv its kinetic dash

>>528184280
I have a confession to make: I don't like building Crushing Fists on Abrams. People in the game have already been conditioned to parry him, melee just isn't worth it unless you are building Debuff Reducer + every other anti-debuff item

>I just shot you for 5 seconds and now I nigger my way out of here with Sonic speeds
>WokeValve2025GameDesign.mp4

>>528185046
abrams just hold q build

>>528185046
just shoot them in the face and get closer until they press parry, THEN smash them

>>528180560
>see haze being chased in tight space
>she has ult up
>be Dynamo
>run in, do dmg, hit black hole
>watch your haze just run away and do nothing

>>528178789
>Haze is more OP than Geist cause people were playing Haze in Eternus lobbies!!
One of the weakest heroes in the game for the majority of this games lifespan and she still makes everyone here seethe, how?

>>528185189
I'm sorry, the hell you mean ''just hold Q''? He has the most based gun in the game with the beefiest sound and you expect me not to shoot it? Yes the gun sucks but so do my skills so it doesn't matter all things considered
>>528185268
I swear I play nobrain punch Yamato and people ignore my melees no matter how much I telegraph those.
But I do a single heavy melee on Abrams and entire enemy team opens their collective 6th senses and third eyes and every shitter in my pisslow gets a second working braincell to instantly parry it as if Jesus told them to.
My full gun build on the blue boy isn't just for show, at this point its a fucking passive-aggressive trauma response.

>>528185171
>play infernus
>get close to dying so run away faster than every character can chase me while also preventing from chasing with trail
>toxic bullets + ricochet + capacitator
>shoot into enemy team
>melted
>decay the calico, shoot a few times, run away
>melted
i like my black character

>>528186686
>But I do a single heavy melee on Abrams
yeah lately its been harder for me too, even when i hm and swerve away to bait some people just dont parry lol
then again there are actual cheaters like a mcginnis ive played that perfectly reads and parries every single light melee

You need to design another character with a non-ult hook/enemy displacement ability. How do you make it unique from Bebop?

>>528183137
It used to be extremely good to rush on Viscous and Shiv because of their alt fires, but that quickly got nerfed.

>>528184280
>>528186686
You always buy kdash as Abrams. It's basically his only good reload item, and the extra stamina helps a lot.

>get what I assume is my worst teammates all day
>it's actually my highest mmr game all day and i'm technically the lowest according to valve's system(broken)
>team, who is all archon+, had zero comms zero plays zero damage etc
ranks are so beyond busted there has to be zero decay and these retards must be playing their one game a month

>>528187502
>Reality Anchor
>choose a point at the ground, creating AoE around it, enemy is dimension-shifted inside, moves faster towards it and slower away from it
>jumping/flying etc brings you towards that point instead
>maybe some other debuffs
>allies can enter the AoE without any negative effects to become dimension shifted too
>only dimension-shifted heroes can attack whoever is inside the AoE

>>528188204
this is what my match history looks like. i have gone from ritualist 1 to ritualist 2.

>>528187792
K-Dash if you're doing well, Super Stam if you aren't

>>528185372
in those cases hit pause and yell at him in chat, it does work occasionally

>>528186783
wat build

>>528187318
Thanks to the ''brainless melee'' meme people are now extra aware when parrying Abrams, nerfs to charge stun duration don't help since every scrub now knows to instantly parry after being hit by it

>>528187792
I always go with super stam in high elo lobbies, being able to escape bad situations or chase down key targets is just too important

Who has the worst ult?

Is valve ever gonna fix the obvious smurfing problem?
>run into guy in a game
>has a little girl as his picture
>says nigger the whole time on gamechat
>he outfarms the lobby by 25k and has over 100k damage

>build something different to try out
>get flamed on because it isnt "meta"
>enemy team also flame me as they run "meta builds"
Good playtest Valvecucks

>>528190449
this post reminds me of that wizard getting raped going with fishing rod instead of wizard items

>>528185171
>getting shid on by a tesla bullets infernus
embarrassing!

>>528190559
was the wizard going to a playtest or a real ranked game?

>>528191049
the playtest is a real ranked game

>>528190449
i don't think i've encountered anyone calling others out for their item build in game

ok so the way to fix boxes, besides deleting them, is simple they no longer give souls, instead they give the players temporary small temporary buffs to either spirit or weapon damage, the buffs can't stack and they are rare anyways (1 in 20 boxes maybe idk), only one buff can be active and exist for its duration

alternatively, though this might be better for a different gamemode, the boxes have a chance to give a piece or token or whatever and once you have X ammount you cant buff the candle troopers of one lane for a set ammount of time

>>528191537
do you play only bot matchs?

>>528191720
boxes are fine, it's not really the dev's fault some players are stupid and do it at the wrong times constantly. and this is not defending calico box running either.

>>528190190
I don't think they have any intention of fixing that or the matchmaking system, even after release. they don't even acknowledge its a problem

>>528190190
You're not even playing in the actual playtest, just the ruspiggy containment zone.

>>528191792
i've seen people complain about the team. etc but no one flaming someone for not following or doing an item build, that has never happened to me,

is this often do fags in your matches really complain that you're not "building correctly"

>>528188820
i have 30 games on this account on this hero and like 25 wins and i'm emissary 5 lel

>>528191720
this is retarded, the sides are nearly symmetrical so the boxes don't give any one team an advantage over the other

spirit burn is the only antiheal worth a damn right now so if a character can't use it effectively they're basically unplayable and will get raped by those that can

>>528192456
happens literally all the time in NA

this fag plays in euro where everyone is too afraid to say anything because they're so cucked

>>528192456
I will hover my teammates and see what they're building and see it's all fucked and retarded but won't say anything because they're not going to listen to my suggestions anyway

It's way too easy to neuter gun builds right now. There are like 3 items that exist solely to hardcounter that shit.

>>528193224
how are you going to neuter my gun build when I am at your objective unattended for 1 second oops now its gone and so am I before you can react

>>528188763
This is a bit hard to follow. You create an AoE area, and anyone inside the AoE can't be harmed by anyone outside of it. That part I get.

But the movement part? Is this an effect inside the AoE, or something that makes players end up inside the AoE? If it's outside, how far does it reach? Is everything on the map moving slower away from that point?

>NA game
>people are usually chill
>sometimes rage and yell at each other
>EU game
>whining literally every single game
>even if you're winning
>these people sound like they are on the verge of tears
what is going on in EU are you guys ok? is playing with russians all the time really that bad?