Thread 527990105

Survivor's Edition

>Update 7.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/191-7-0-patch-notes

>Hotfix 7.1 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/194-patch-notes-7-1

>Hotfix 7.2 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/198-patch-notes-7-2

>May community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/214-may-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2183900/view/529836636819686186

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>527070239

Aim for the Devourer Warrior first, astartes.

>>527992370
he won’t escape my lasgun

>>527990105 (OP)
Do you remember when cohesion was a thing? I remember...
They should bring it back even if just in a form an operation modifier.

>>527992661
It wasn’t fun

>only good looking chapters and heraldry I can make are pre and post heresy traitor legions
everything is so gaudy
also hbr tac lol

>>527992661
they brought it back in obelisk

>>527993039
That darkness debuff takes a while to really afflict you.
>>527992832
Sometimes breaking up the squad so someone can go deal with that fucking venom cannon thrope had to be done. I enjoyed it since it made working more effectively feel that much more rewarding when your two brothers in arms were actually good.

I want more helmets more than anything, 20 different flavors of mkx is kind of suck

Considering how piss poor the devs champion skins choices have been im expecting the tech marine champion skin to be imperial fists or ultramarine, because they hate iron hands apparently.

>>527997363
both of those already have a skin

ravenguard tech marine tho....

>>527997441
i would not put it past Saber, we IH truly are the red headed stepchild.

BAKA fucking black templars are getting a champion skin before us!

>>527990105 (OP)
>>527995486
those really come across as "fellow kids"

>>528003327
-1

>>527997363
>>527997691
At this point I almost feel sorry for IH bros. At the very least we should be getting some cyber arms and legs as cosmetics for Iron Hands season that coincides with techmarine's release.
On that note it is kind of ironic that White Scars have been released prior to Iron Hands. I always thought Khan's dudes weren't that much popular. For me they were always "brrrr we go fast!" kinda guys. And it's not like IHs wouldn't have enough material for a full season.

Are the marksman variants of carbines any good?

>>528008323
No, they don't buff the damage enough to make up for the single fire and smaller mags, so it's actually less ammo efficient.

More executions involving class abilities.

>Vanguard using his grapnel line like a whip

>Bulwark smashing the bottom of his shield repeatedly into an enemy's skull

>Sniper having a cloak-off with a Lictor where they phase in and out trying to get each other before the Sniper gets the upper hand

>Heavy melting an enemy by slowly walking into them with his Iron Halo up

>>528017886
>Sniper having a cloak-off with a Lictor where they phase in and out trying to get each other before the Sniper gets the upper hand
disgusting. I love it

>>528017886
>Assault dodges backwards and does a jetpack propelled shoulder bash into the enemy turning them into a cloud of red mist

>>528020067
It reminds me of that anime clip where those dudes are caught in a loop of teleporting behind one another and everyone is just looking on in exasperation.

>>528017886
>tactical smashing the target's head in with the back end of his primary weapon

I play Assault because when everything goes well, it's the most fun you can have in this game.

Post drip.

>>528029151
i disagree. i dont get that "high" you are supposed to get as assault. the Q is way too clunky to feel like you are "mobile"
assault is just ass, full stop.

>>528029940
Nasal?

>>528031259
Oops, forgot to remove the menu and have hurt my fashion. Oh well, I wanted food so I quit after taking this.

Of all the Chapter veterans, which would be the scariest to see enter the field?

This PTS is taking so long. Two weeks would've been more than enough to test everything out, make bug reports etc.
And, I know it's nitpicking, but is it all that necessary to emphasize Siege mode is "free"? Are people so oblivious?

>>528035750
Best not to risk people avoiding checking it out because of a misunderstanding, I guess. An entire new gamemode is the sort of thing you can't be sure of if it'll be DLC or not nowadays. Not like it really costs anything to add the word free.

>>528029151
melee damage sucks ass I don't understand how you guys make that class work. even on vanguard most of the time I'm in melee I just shoot the enemy point blank so it doesn't take 5 business days to get them to execute threshold.

>>528035078
That's a very unanswerable question because it depends on a lot of factors happening at that present time and also requires that you, an observer to these marines, have meta knowledge.

>>528037094
Vanguard doesn't have a charge attack damage bonus which makes Assault and Bulwark be fun to play.
Power Whirl absolutely destroys everything around it.

>>528005150
ive actually seen more players with IH than scars, so this may check out.

>>528035750
two more weeks

is anyone even playing the non-pts version? i haven't seen any horror stories this time.

>>528043489
I am. I have no interest in beta testing.

>>528043709
so, does it work?

>>528044043
why wouldn't it? I haven't had any issues for as long as I can remember.

>>528044265
good to hear that. have a nice day.

my highest level class is 19, bought the game during the skulls sale but finally sat down to play it recently
what the hell is prestiging in this game and what are the differences between block fencing and balanced

>>528055060
>what the hell is prestiging
you can relive the times when your class was absolute shit by having to go from level 1 to 25 four additional times to unlock a single piece of armor and additional, officially unnecessary, perks (unofficially they are absolutely necessary to perform on the highest difficulty level)

>block fencing and balanced
oh boy, let the shitposting begin!

>>528055060
block has shorter iframes, if you block twice in a row you get an explosive melee hit that does a shitload of damage to everything near you
fencing has longer iframes, parries an attack and sets up a gunstrike
both have strengths and weaknesses and there's no one size fits all answer, because even certain classes are going to want a particular weapon

>>528055060
block gives a melee damage buff and lets you stagger everything with melee attacks and also gives a short ranged damage resistance buff and gives 1 armor. fencing staggers and lets you gunstrike but you can also 1 shot minoris and get an armor. balances is like a worse version of fencing, the timing is about 150ms after you hit the block button.

>>528057490
>because even certain classes are going to want a particular weapon
yeah the devs arbitrarily applies base stats to the weapons. like the block chainsword's stats are twice as good as the other variants, i would use it even if it was balanced instead of block

>>528058414
Block seems like suicide against chaos.

>>528061783
its okay. you used to need 3 blocks in a row to get the effect, but now that you only need 2 so its usable. the block type of your weapon wont really help you since your only option is to roll slop vs chaos ranged damage. the real problem with block is in order to use it you have to have memorized the attack animations of every enemy in the game, but if you have autism its fun

The melee combat in this game is real dogshit

>>528063150
>ctrl+f gunplay
ah yes it was the previous thread.

>>528057490
>does a shitload of damage to everything near you
Does it actually? I thought it was just a visual effect.

>>528063838
maybe it's because I'm so used to using it on block hammer but it sure does feel like I kill everything around me

>>527995486
it fucks with me that I missed out on the free version of the normal helmet and am now expected to lay down aditional funds for it.
I mean I've grown accustomed to the idea that they want more for the beaky but for the mark VIII that's just bullshit.

>>527995145
>helmets
This one piece of gear would be so easy to pull off. Making a model for every incarnation and slap different decors on each one. Hell, you could even do special versions akin to survivors helmet and throw them in for extra grind. People love that shit.
It pains me to see so much untapped potential in customization in this game. I know they won't do more than they're paid for but damn, it still makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

>>528063978
It's supposed to
>deal no damage
>stagger everything around you
It's bugged so the second part doesn't happen though
It only works currently because you also gain stagger on the attack so you still get to interrupt the enemy

>>528064164
>stagger everything around you
>everything gets enraged
please saber don't fix it

>>528063989
I don't think there's anyway to get the mk8 helmet

So is there a way to escape Lictor's grab without losing 99% of your health?

>>528064526
your battle brother can shoot or hit him off oyu

>>528063989
They will be bringing Mk8 back for another event. They said as much. Don't know if it's going to be through PROS or a different method next time around, since it was never stated outside of a broad:
>"we know PROS is terrible and problematic, we're working on a different solution"
Although keep in mind this was back in February and we had PROS unlock for skull nipple chest.

>>528065114
you'll need a warhammer+ sub to get it

>>528064416
Getting staggered doesn't make enemies enrage though

>>528064913
so no...

>>528035750
I had no expectations of Saber adding 4/5-man squads for Siege mode, but I'm still supremely disappointed. I know the reason we won't have that feature are consoles and games' messed up netcode most likely, but there's a high possibility they didn't even entertain the idea.

bulwark is just gay compared to assault. i tried playing healbot but these guys waste my gifts. with assault you can goomba stomp minoris that allies are rolling away from and still help them

>>528072430
>minoris that allies are rolling away from
what threat level are you playing at, wtf

>>528072430
Even with the heal banner you still have every other perk and a power sword to turn you into a goddamn monster.

>>528067291
just don't be a nigger and others will be happy to help you out.

execute discipline is the most valuable skill

>>528077005
For whom?

Soon, Lamenterbros.

>>528091832
Crimson Fists when?

>>528091453
It’s cuz of stupid ass posts like >>528077005
dude just comes in, drops some stupid ass opinion, and leaves

Lore conspiracy theory: becoming daemon princes made the traitor primarchs drastically weaker.
>Sanguinius demolished Angron during the siege despite being wounded and exhausted
>The Lion spends forever bitching about how slow and weak he is after waking up only to also demolish Angron
>Corax nearly slices Lorgar in two during the Heresy only to come back and body him even harder after Lorgar's ascension
I hear you saying that Guilliman got his ass kicked by no less than THREE different daemon primarchs, and to that I say that Guilliman is a terrible fighter. His greatest martial feat is killing a handful of Word Bearer line astartes.

>>528098171
>Guilliman is a terrible fighter
He's a soldier not a duelist. That said becoming a daemon primarch means losing some quintessence of yourself to a chaos god, meaning you become lesser to become more by something else, meaning what was given can be taken away, meaning you become a slave to the very powers you seek. Regular primarchs have their own strength of body and soul, for good or ill, chaos primarchs are beholden to the ruinous powers, which can grant more power in the short term, but weaken them in the long term. Kind of like monsterification in One Punch Man. A shortcut to strength but it lowers your maximum power potential, meanwhile heroes can potentially break their limiters if they retain their humanity.

>>528100729
>>528098171
Addendum, also Angron wants to die and stay dead, so he goes in balls deep into the thickest fighting against the strongest opponents. The Lion was ALWAYS the strongest duelist, with probably Russ, Curze, and Sanguinius being the others, and those two basically cheated with prescience.

What were the three leaked mission names again?

>>528113357
Dick, balls, scrotum

>>528065220
>you'll need a warhammer+ sub to get it
Well, they did that with sgt. Metaurus chestplate, the one you could get for free watching some twitch stuff. It would be hilarious though if moving forward all the rewards that we missed out on will be available only through James Workshop crummy subscription.
So it's either that or we're back to pros.
Both wonderful options.

Just drop the update already

>>528124840
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>>528124840
now

Do I just not get it somehow or is the powersword just a downgrade from the chainsword?
The stance switching is pure jank.

>>528145653
Don't bother stance switching. Keep it in power mode because your main attack is Power Rake. Get the weapon perk that increases the move's damage by 50%. On Assault, take both the +Majoris melee damage and +Charged attack damage. On Bulwark, take the Prestige perk +Charged attack damage. Regular lights are for Minoris, Power Rake is for Majoris and larger. Between its fast attack speed, ability to combo into itself in a 2-chain, and massive damage, it's basically a vastly improved Thunder Hammer Ground Slam. That's the best way to describe it, just vastly superior DPS.

Newfag from last thread, playing campaign and tried out operafions as tactical, fun so far. Can I get a QRD on the usefulness of classes in operations? Are there any bad picks or is everything viable? Not the best in the game, so which ones are generaly beginner friendly vesides tactical marine?

Also on a side note how sweaty is the PVP MP if it's alive?

Here's a compiled "list" of datamined DLC leaks. Nothing spectacular or groundbreaking but it gives a nicer visual comparison of different chapters.

>>528159032
>Are there any bad picks or is everything viable?
The only bad pick people are going to agree on is Assault. In that once you get past Ruthless difficulty, the class starts falling apart hard, especially against Chaos. Little to no sustain, only one good Fencing melee option which is the Relic Power Sword, and only one good Block melee weapon which is the Artificer Power Fist. He's so poorly designed that it's arguable all four of his prestige perks are mandatory instead of optional fluff just to get him to the same strength as any other Pres1 class.

Tactical = Highest DPS in the game, pretty much unlimited ammo
Bulwark = Most durable, best melee class by a landslide
Vanguard = Does what Assault does but better, gap closing face-range melter
Heavy = Solid mixture between durability and DPS
Sniper = Second highest DPS, squishy but evades damage

>>528159032
> Are there any bad picks or is everything viable?
everything is viable, but not every class is equal. Vanguard and bulwark are very easy starter classes. Heavy plays differently to everything else because of his melee. You might have problems finding games as tac because for some reason everyone wants to play as one. To appreciate assault you first need to master the game and both melee systems, most people get filtered in the process.

>>528159968
>appreciate assault
there's nothing to appreciate. if you're good enough you might pull through despite picking assault, that's it.

>>528160312
i play games for a challenge. feel free to stay on easy mode if you want 'power fantasy'

>>528160539
so you just pick it because it sucks and is harder as result. is that what you mean by appreciate? that you like the way it sucks?

>>528159032
tactical is the best since his auspex damage is busted. sniper and heavy are both very good. bulwark and vanguard are only taken to be heal bots. assault has no healing but doe more damage than the other two melee classes. but still tact, heavy, sniper are the three best classes and are best team choice for any op

>>528159032
Every class can be useful in one way or another. The assault is probably the least impactful overall since it's probably the hardest class to play properly.
>Tactical
Auspex damage amp is incredibly and can speed run bosses. Can handle any situation from ranged.
>Assault
Extra gunstrike damage or more melee damage against bosses can be helpful. You need to really kit yourself out with damage perks and forego survivability to really contribute unless you actually dodge and play defensively when your armor gets low. A properly perked out power fist build can melt majoris enemies but is weaker against mobs. Power Sword is great with charge damage perks but the lack of survivability compared to Vanguard and Bulwark can be noticeable.
>Vanguard
Team Medic or ability recharge battery. Is surprisingly unkillabe with a lot of damage resistance perks + healing. Doesn't boast a lot of the high-end damage as the others but can still consistent as a team player.
>Bulwark
Can negate some of the worst ranged threats in the game and has access to one of the strongest perks in the game separate from that. Can also heal or use the banner for buffs and/or AOE damage.
>Sniper
Immense single target DPS with the potential to constantly chain headshots to regain stealth damage bonus and grenades. Can also self-sustain with the cloak. Prestige perks give him near infinite ammo.
>Heavy
Big DPS be it single target (heavy bolter) or AOe (heavy plasma). Iron Halo is a stronger Bulwark Shield but it has cooldown. Can either reduce ranged damage taken for the team, give more ammo, or revive allies with full HP.

>PvP
It's still active to my experience. It's not so much "sweaty" as it is your teammates being idiots and not forming up while the enemy team actually sticks together.

>>528160539
It seems like you realize assault is literal ass compared to other classes. At the end of day playing it is comparable to using a keyboard or pad with broken keys. Sure it could be done and even be considered a challenge but it doesn't mean this is the way to play. Still, you do you Brother.
They really need to rework Assault's survivability, since playtesters didn't play beyond first difficulty level.

>>528159880
>>528159968
>>528160709
>>528161101
Thank you bros.
Also when it comes to PVP does the same general assessment apply or is it a different meta?

>>528162203
The Bulwark gets a bit less threatening because he can be kited but his charged attacks can be lethal if he gets close.
The Assault actually becomes a problem because all he needs to do is use his jetpack attack twice and you'll be dead. So getting flanked by an assault can basically spell death unless you aim perfectly.

>>528162203
Entirely different, class balance is separate from PvP. The bad class in that mode is Vanguard and it's not even his fault. The devs removed his guaranteed stagger when he hooked someone. The entire purpose was Vanguard was this game's TF2 Scout or Tracer, he's a flanker who picks off lone wolf retards. Naturally, lone wolf retards whined and bitched that Vanguard was overpowered when all it took to counter him was to not split. So the devs removed his stagger on hook and now he's just garbage.

>>528159862
mental illness. nobody cares about your newsletter.

>>528163968
Infographs are cool.

>>528159862
This is shit. Overpriced cosmetic bullshit. Eternal Crusade had better cosmetic system even. Ehy don't they make actual story expansions and/or add a DLC that adds new enemies?

>>528163968
joke's on you desu. you cared enough to reply to that post.
upvoted and thanks for the bump :^)

>>528165471
>Ehy don't they make actual story expansions and/or add a DLC that adds new enemies?

>>528165837
Yeah, make the operations with the new enemies available for everyone, but the single player missions locked and they give you cosmetic rewards if you beat them, so there is a multi-layer inncentive to buy it.

>>528159862
Emperor provides Brother!
>that black templars champion foreshadowing
Man, I hope they will bring two-handed power swords/relic blades with that update. It would be such a missed opportunity if they don't. But It's awesome they are adding successors champion skins.

>>528166268
Is there a realistic chance they add another enemy faction to the game? At best I see them adding another CSM faction with maybe daemons.

>>528174530
the long answer is: no

>>528174530
Can't they re-use Ork rigs from first game and add them?

>>528175650
the first game used an entirely different engine

>>528174530
If it turns out they axed the necron content to put it to SM3 I gonna be fucking mad

>>528174530
If it turns out they axed the necron content to put it in SM3 I gonna be fucking mad

>>528159862
Ultrasmurfs don't really need a chapter pack because the game is built around them anyway. Why do they memory hole Iron Hands so much? I'm not even a fan, but there hasn't been anything at all datamined on them since the beginning. What gives?

vanguard is the gay cousin of assault

>>528180893
>What gives?

>>528159862
If they're starting to add successors champions I keep my fingers crossed for some Raptors in the future.

>>528180893
Every single fucking time you stupid ass Iron Hands fans get uppity I have to post this shit
There are like fucking 5 of you, and you only exist here on this contrarian ass website where you pretend to like the Iron Hands so it makes you different and special because literally no one else does
They are not interesting
Their color scheme is boring and lame
There is nothing special about them other than 3-4 retards spamming “le flesh is le weak hehe”
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY else wants anything to do with this lame ass chapter, so take your Iron Hand and jerk yourself off with it

>>528188163
>anon says he isn't a fan of ferrus boys
>you stupid ass Iron Hands fans
Are you ok Anon?

>>528188163
>uncaring, unfeeling, emotionless, resilient, body dysmorphia
>painted green and rotting
>good

>uncaring, unfeeling, emotionless, resilient, body dysmoprhia
>painted black and cyborg
>bad

>>528188163
t. Fulgrim

>trying to do higher difficulty stuff
>bring my healing perk for extremis kills
>every group keeps stealing executions
holy fuck I hate this game right now

>squadmate goes down
I SEE YOU BROTHER

best voice lines?

What is your main complaint about the game and what is your favorite thing about the game?

>>528202936
not enough ways to get health back, the game is actively hostile about teamwork

>>528202936
Complaints are too many too list, but off the top of my head:
>General lack of in-depth customization system, which causes unnecessary bloat when they (every now and then) add new pieces
>Non-existent to minimal weaponry customization (PTS)
>Sound design for bolter weapons is lacking that special "oompf" that makes you hear the power of each shot
>no option to have 4-5 players in ops/siege mode (PTS) - this should be at least a modifier for private lobbies
>PTS used to give them time (who knows what for)

Praises:
>Animations for executions are well done, some of them are justifiably brutal (i.e. disc tzaangros)
>Devs finally caved in and will allow for us to use individual pieces from champion skins
>The game does scratch that power-fantasy itch and it has potential to be great

Plus there are people among devs who clearly appreciate source material but sadly they aren't in charge, it takes too long to fix certain decisions, bugs etc. This game needs people who make it to also play it. That's key in my opinion.
But I like the game despite shortcomings outweighing the pros and I play it on regular basis with my bros, mind you.

i am an angel of death. jump pack, chainsword, and bolt pistol.

>>528202808
All squadmembers line telling Metrian off were pretty good

the wicked flee before me

>>528058414
>>528063013
learn to animation skip nerd

>>528216080
punch is better

>>528217546
Pretty 100% positive it’s literally not though, shoulder bash does almost 3X damage and hits in a 360 degree radius around you
Quick punch does 18 damage
Shoulder bash does 46
Shoulder bash can be looped together about as fast as you can chain quick punches, shoulder bash loop is way more DPS, it’s not even close
If my numbers are wrong anyone can correct me

>>528220790
its way nicer to have a quick punch as an opener to stagger a majoris or to quick punch a minors for the gunshot strike armor. i find there is zero delay from a heavy attack to a light attack, but when you try to shoulder bash into the animation skip its really slow and its faster to shoulder light light shoulder. i always quick punch light light into shoulder or stomps if needed

Does a fully charged ground pound without the one perk actually do more damage than just a quick one?

>>528222516
So you’re just misinformed, got it
If your goal is to get armor from a minoris a light is faster than a quick punch
And no, it is not faster to do heavy-light-light-heavy than it is to do throttle cancel-heavy-throttle cancel-heavy

>>528222687
no its the same damage when you dont use the perk. its just for your benefit to sit in the air and pick your target if you need to, but if you are going for someone you do not need to charge it at all

>>528223148
light attacks dont open minors for a gun strike. and shoulder light light shoulder is the same speed as shoulder throttle skip shoulder. there is a delay from one heavy attack to another. you dont get any real benefit from full throttle the only usecase is for a grounded thrope and even then shoulder bash spamming does the same damage. its not like combat knife that has you leap forward and track the target., perk wise i dropped full throttle for 10% damage vs majoris and i found the punch more fun to use

>>528223942
Is everyone else just wrong or has this guy discovered a superior flowchart to rev cancel shoulder spam? I thought rev cancel shoulder spam being the optimal DPS combo for block weapons was pretty universally agreed upon

>>528225084
it seems the same to me unless i am doing it wrong. its actually worse since you miss out on the initial light 1 attack damage.

>>528225347
Huh, so turns out light-light-heavy was better than rev-cancel heavy all along
Wack

>>528223942
>light attacks dont open minors for a gun strike
That's when you threaten to take away their biomass for being naughty naughty children.

>Vulkan is stated to have charcoal colored skin and glowing red eyes, with the general population being largely terrified of his inhuman appearance
>Normalfags see this and immediately think he's just a black guy

>>528247610
anon if you saw a nigger with glowing red eyes you would be terrified too

>>528247610
People see "black" on the page and associate it with race and not as being literally pitch black skin with caucasian features. The reason Magnus doesn't have that confusion is that there is no race called "red" like his skin color. Granted there is "red-skin" associated with American Indians, but that's a different connotation being itself a phrase and racial epithet. Nobody described Vulkan as niggery, in comparison. Just that he was black.

>>528248104
There's a disgusting amount of fanart and even painted minis that make Vulkan into Lance Reddick.

>>528248841
Yeah because people are stupid.

>>528248841
>WHERE'S MY ICONIC HORUS HERESY BOOK?
>KONRAD, MOTHERFUCKER

>>528225347
I quickly made a comparison using your clip here, and the skip is a tiny bit faster but as you say loses the extra light attack
Since light light heavy tends to keep minoris from tickling you just as well as the skip, I'm not quite sure what the skip really helps with
I personally don't use the skip because it's needlessly complex to input for what effectively isn't enough reward to me, and because the shoulder check is a nice instant deploy to have for certain situations like needing CHP back or a really quick stagger/minoris knockover

>>528159862
It's weird that they split Salamanders and Imperial Fists the way they did and decided to release cosmetic pack at a later date. Doesn't make much sense, especially when other chapters were given a 'full release'.

>>528202808
>Enter Hive Tyrant dome as Bulwark
ENCIRCLE
AND ELIMINATE

Is using rapid regeneration on Bulwark worth it?
Dunno how long the banner normally lasts, if its 15 seconds i'd say the perk is really good, but if the default is 20 thats quite a massive drop in time, even if you're using Glory's Shield for an extra 2 seconds

Are there any leaks on what the future enemy types will be?

>>528278393
i dont think so. your last sliver of armor blocks as much as two armor segments for a big attack. id rather have the banner up longer, feels like im invincible when its up since it keeps regening enough armor to negate all attacks

>>528250283
you also free up a weapon perk if you decide to not use it at all

What is the ultimate noobtrap in this game?

>>528284802
"Block is superior"

Most people I see run black templar skins in operations...lore accurate they are one of the biggest chapters

Reliquary is the best mission because it filters zoomies

>>528287865
Reliquary is shit because the flame bridge is boring and goes on too long. It's literally near-50% of the mission. Same reason Obelisk sucks with the Chalice.

>>528287865
Fall of Atreus is the worst mission in the game bar none just because of the poorly set up conversation towards the end between acheran and the techpriest
The only time, and I do mean ONLY time out of the many I've had the mission, that I've actually heard the full conversation, has been when I've played with 2 friends and asked them to stop specifically to let the conversation play out. Plus the conversation right at the start when they fail to make it naturally sound like titus interrupts the techpriest, just to make the mission another slight bit worse. It just fucking sucks and they should make the doors before you can advance and trigger the next dialogue slow down enough to where you get to hear it all or cut the conversation significantly.

So far for Tactical in ops I like the Heavy Bolt rifle and Plasma gun the most, are these viable for higher difficulties should I grind em to max?Or should I start learning something else if I wanna do harder ops

share with me some cool lore that a newbie to 40k wouldn't know without reading a ton of books

>>528291714
Imperial Fists have a poop vault and eating turds from it is part of the initiation process for aspirants.

>>528291714
Titans have low-level sentience akin to a child and are emotionally and spiritually bonded to their pilots. For the most part, they are unable to function alone and need the assistance of the princepture to be able to fight, likely as a safeguard against any possibility of going rogue ala the Men of Iron. There have been instances of defeated Titans that were repaired and reawakened suffering from violent episodes of PTSD and attacking everything around them in a panic.

>>528291714
Robby gorillaman has an eldar waifu that he smashes on occasion

Rank the ops

>>528293001
>Guilliman has eldar diplomats living on his ship, employing them as part of his circle of trusted advisors
>The Lion allows chaos corrupted astartes to join his Risen so long as they agree to pledge loyalty to him and the people he protects
What's next? Is Dorn going to be revealed as the secret leader of the Votann?

>>528295949
Obelisk>Reliquary>Fall of Atreus> Vox Liberatis(just because Chados appears)>Tyranidshitter missions

>>528288868
Exfiltration is a bit worse with the background dialogue being "so long" that you can mostly accomplish more than half of what a room is asking you to do while Metrian and Galeo are arguing.

>>528292269
the Ian Watson abyss is non-canon at this point
lots of poop eating, human toilets, jackbooted buff men, leather daddies, spanking, buff male nudity, vore, and genestealer pussy

>>528285082
Im sorry anon. Have you tried movnig to a country that is not sharing a timezone with russia.

I like how the internet's general consensus is that Dan Abnett is a great writer, but they always add the caveat of excluding a book or book series. At this point, the list of works he's created that everyone agrees kind of suck FAR overshadow the list of works that are good.
He constantly falls into the trap that I see a lot of shitty writers fall into, and that's not taking notes about their story as they're writing it. He'll write a bit, hit a block, take a break, then come back and misremember what he wrote which sends him careening off the rails. Sometimes he forgets the entirety of a previous book he wrote and that's why we now have nids in the galaxy possibly as far back as the Great Crusade. He forgot when Behemoth invaded and then had the Mechanicum identifying nid bioforms by name a milennia earlier in a later book.

>>528299706
all Black Library books are non-canon
this is just a fact
not in a codex or imperial armory book? didn't happen

>>528300529
There are some real gems like The Infinite and the Divine.
It's an author problem, though the publisher is ultimately responsible for not keeping its authors in check.

What schizo music are you listening to while playing assault in max difficulty operations

>>528307292
thomas tallis

>>528307292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER1NjK8jMe4

>>528307292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsL8hA-1rE on repeat

>>528307694
Forgot to mention, this is for my Bulwark sessions. Mea culpa, Brother.

>>528307292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fijdBkYEs

are we migrating to darktide bros?

>>528312650
you mean the general or the game

The way it looks now, there's no certainty that 8.0 will have fixed blocking not giving parry bonus and intimidating aura working on terminus.
CMs haven't been able to confirm that so we might as well assume this bug is going to carry over to live servers.

>>528314006
both

>>528314134
Idk, I don't play Darktide

>>528312650
I play SM2 not Darktide, Brother.

>>528314113
>buggy 8.0
>or 4 more weeks of pts
Grim

>>528312650
Be careful, inciting a raid is a bannable offence.

>>528312650
I'm probably not going to play darktide again until they give veteran his stubber that they've advertised for him since the game launched

just sniped a nigger bros. got so fucking hard bros. cloaked and hit him in his head bros. instant red execute bros. had to alt f4 bros

>>528315923
i meant nidder, not nigger. not racist just dont like em

>>528307292
Trannies are deranged but they know how to make a fire beat.

https://youtu.be/fEqGH5guoN8?si=Itxp5gwPC8Zz-lK8

This Cadian son comes to your aid during a siege. What do you do?

>>528324618
>AYO BIG MAN, WE 'BOUT TO BEAT DEY NIDDA'S ASS, DEM MOTHAFUCKING BUG ASSES DON'T STAND A MOTHAFUCKING CH- ACK!

>>528324618
Did he immigrate to Cadia or something? How did black people get to Cadia?

>>528327261
Cadia hasn't been a thing since 2017, and most people using "Cadian armor" are just larping as Cadians because GW decided they were going to homogenize the entirety of the Guard into Cadia and Kreig

>>528222516
>its way nicer to have a quick punch as an opener to stagger a majoris or to quick punch a minors for the gunshot strike armor

the dash attack is better in every way for those exact cases: still staggers, just as fast, wider cone, damage is same-ish or even better (can't remember, haven't played without throttle since november)

>>528327528
>just as fast
Absolutely not. The reason charged punch is so good is how fast it comes out for a guaranteed gunstrike finisher into armor on Minoris.

idk why people complain about chaos, I enjoy fighting em much more than nids
Nids ranged is 100x more cancerous than chaaos range, Rubrics are fun to fight
Not being a contrarian just trying to get why people hate chaos missions

>>528331067
Nids just have the one devourer warrior that is a genuine threat though, so 2/3rds of their ranged majoris are no issue and that's not counting the ones that spawn as melee majoris which is just fun to fight
Meanwhile chaos will refuse to engage in melee except for occasional cheap shots and pelt you for major damage, often across long distances with lacking cover options because of map design
All their majoris are ranged (and on top of that one is often unavailable to melee because of flight and the other is less dangerous if you just pistol it in the face because it'll blast you), will teleport halfway across the map away from you to deny CHP recovery if you ever get hit or actually engage them in close combat, and make your eyes water with special effects
And to top it off, out of their 3 extremis enemies, while melee terminators are the best in the game, sorcerers are kind of boring at best and ranged terminators manage to be worse cancer than biovores

>>528331067
Killing a Warrior will kill or incapacitate all Gaunts near them, which is far more enjoyable than "You kill 5 Rubric and the Disc Tzaangor is still comfortable flying halfway across the map in half a second". That and the CSM missions use "Follow this person/thing" and "Solve this puzzle" for everything

>>528331067
you play tact or sniper or heavy dont you?

>>528335520
all 3

I can't wait for opened up customization system. Though we won't be seeing it until 10.0 at least, knowing Saber's track record and how they like to take larger ideas into consideration. The only saving grace in all of this is that they at least support their games long term.

bumperino

Would a game like Space Marine, but with a xeno player faction sell?

>>528350146
Fire Warrior has a cult following, though it wanked that little Tau so hard he made Malum Caedo look like a guardsman.
I'd love a game following a squad of striking scorpions in the same vein as SM2.

>>528350898
>striking scorpions

>>528350146
I'd like a game like that featuring Eldar Corsairs or Ynnari. That would give enough variance having access to both Craftworld and Drukhari stuff + Clowns

>>528350146
No but a Space Marine 3 with Eldar, Tau and Necron opponents would sell.

Bring back the Orkz as the main chaff enemy but the next acts feature the Eldar, Tau and Necrons.

>>528312650
installed and uninstalled within 30 mins of playing, games so fucking shit

>>528312650
Every time I try and play Darktide I find myself subconsciously just wanting to play Vermintide again
Darktide’s melee just never felt as satisfying as that game, they couldn’t recapture it

>>528355904
How complex can they make melee in first person view?

>>528356129
I think Darktide’s melee is arguably more complex than Vermintide’s in terms of damage calculation and such, but it just doesn’t have the same oomph. Weaker sounds, less powerful impacts, etc. Nothing in Darktide can quite capture what it’s like to play Slayer Bardin and bash a Chaos Warrior’s head in with a two-handed hammer, the speed of the blows and the satisfying ‘clang’ as the hammer impacts the helm. Even the kill sound in Darktide is worse than the Vermintide one. And then nothing in Darktide can even swing as fast as Bardin or Zealot Saltz outside of knife Zealot, and that thing usually just feels like you’re hacking wet tissue paper with a dinner knife. Darktide’s melee combat is slower than Vermintide’s and is supposed to feel more measured and impactful, but to me it just feels worse.

>>528356795
dark tide has no real threats

Hit 25 with Tactical, are there any mandatory prestige perks? Is it worth it to reset? Didn't seem that long to lvl took like 10ish hours

>>528364572
Acuity for any build that isn't a plasma build
Second Look if you fuck up your Auspex scans every now and then
40% more healing from stimms is actually huge
Extra Ammo if you feel like it

I need 21k kills to reach 100%, but I refuse to do the campaign farm for that. What's the best way to farm kills in operations considering I'm not great at the game? Any specific operation I should be spamming on easy difficulty?

>>528366117
You can farm the unlimited wave of nids in Decapitation and not blow up the bridge. Or play Exfiltration and get to the part where the Trygon spawns tunnels and just don't blow them up.

>>528367390
That would still mean I essentially farm a single spot endlessly without progress, right? I guess Decapitation is decently short overall, though. Thanks, anon.

>>528312650
I just don't give a shit about darktide. I want to play as a third person space marine and this is the best modern game we have where we can be space marines.

>>528367664
Yeah.
Technically you can idle in any spot and the spawn timers will throw a wave at you eventually but those segments in particular will keep spawning enemies until you deal with the objective.

>>528312650
I never managed to get into it. I tried, several times, and every time it just feels too hard, too punishing, and too boring at the same time, which is the weirdest fucking combination. Even the basic counter into quick shot combo in Space Marines 2 is more satisfying and fun than anything in Darktide to me.

I am fortifying this thread.

>>528366117
Just play the game. I never farmed kills and had 41K by September 23rd. The game came out on the 5th of the same month.

>>528370923
>I tried, several times, and every time it just feels too hard, too punishing, and too boring at the same time
Holy shit are you me? That's the only way I can describe Darktide as well. How do you make a game that starts hard punishing average players by the third difficulty and yet doesn't feel fun in the slightest? I feel like I'm attacking thin layers of styrofoam, there's no real feedback on what I'm doing. And then the levels are this combination of painfully linear but with an obnoxious level of branching paths just to hide FOMO resources behind for upgrading weapons and gear.

>>528380309
>How do you make a game that starts hard punishing average players by the third difficulty
holy skill issue. better stay here and play the power fantasy game. absolute is barely on darktide heresy level

>>528381124
I said average players? You literally quoted the text yet made an assumption based on something that was never said. 90% of Darktide's playerbase is in Malice and below.

>>528381230
>I tried, several times, and every time it just feels too hard, too punishing, and too boring at the same time
>Holy shit are you me?
>How do you make a game that starts hard punishing average players by the third difficulty
Logical inference
>90% of Darktide's playerbase is in Malice and below.
nice asspull

>>528382639
Does the game get easier at Damnation or something? Are you suggesting good players still don't struggle at the top end without the cheesiest of builds like infinite ammo Bolter spam?

I think you're horribly confused and projecting that onto me.

>>528382639
>90% of Darktide's playerbase is in Malice and below.
>nice asspull

>seriously suggesting any game has the majority of its players in the hardest difficulties
the majority of SM2's playerbase are in ruthless, most of them do not touch absolute because they think it's too hard. if you think everybody is doing top end difficulty content, you've not played many video games. most people play darktide for 1-2 games and then quit for the day.

>>528383960
Malice is absolutely barren of enemies and modifiers. If you think that's hard and punishing, then you think substantial is punishing and ruthless incomprehensibly hard.
>Are you suggesting good players still don't struggle at the top end without the cheesiest of builds like infinite ammo Bolter spam?
Normal Damnation isn't hard anymore since everything is powercrept and crafting the prefect weapon isn't a week long struggle anymore. The struggle starts at auric maelstroms and 30+ havocs

>>528384187
>seriously suggesting any game has the majority of its players in the hardest difficulties
there is a big gap between 90% plays babby difficulty and more than 50% play only auric maelstrom my guy. the asspull is the hyperspecificity of the very high percentile, not the underlying statement of "most players suck"

>>528385002
I never said I found Malice hard. I said average players find Malice hard. You'd know that if you've ever stepped in Malice with friends who refuse to go above it. You can keep repeating something I never said all you want, it doesn't make it true, much like your troon delusions.

>>528385002
>Normal Damnation isn't hard anymore since everything is powercrept and crafting the prefect weapon isn't a week long struggle anymore. The struggle starts at auric maelstroms and 30+ havocs
you are literally talking about 0.1% of the playerbase in terms of what they find hard at this point. this has gone long beyond discussing the playerbase to being just about you self-fellating yourself. i browse /coopg/ and i can tell you barely a fraction of the players in there are capable of doing the top end difficulty content.

>>528327261
>How did black people get to Cadia?
As much as it is tradition in sci-fi, I don't think that every planet is a single biome. Also literally all of mankind are colonists from Earth, so why wouldn't there be every skin color around.

>>528327261
Agents of Chaos opened Cadias borders which led to the 13th Black Crusade and the planets subsequent destruction

Currently prestige assault. I'm not having fun.
>Chaos teleport everytime
>Nids warriors block attacks and I need to smash them like hundred time for them to die.

>>528389639
This is why you take the Plasma Pistol

>Charged shot for
>Shoot blocking Nid Warriors
>Staggering ranged big enemies shooting at you

Heavy Bolt Pistol might do more damage, but without the utility of a stagger, it's the worse option between it and the PP.

sad marine

I make the mistake of browsing the subreddit sometimes, and the IDIOTIC reasoning for why older marks of armour wouldn't work are just...
>Primaris are too big
FUCK you RETARD, lore-wise there was great size variation even before primaris.
Are people so mentally stunted and devoid of imagination that they can't think beyond shitty limitations like that? What happened to rule of cool bros...
The only fair "explanation" is the stuff about it being GWs strategy to only allow the same models that can currently be bought in plastic, but that's just a complete waste of sick designs. Doesn't it seem unlikely they are making more money by including less cool shit in the games?
I hate the primaris lore so much its unreal.

>>528399910
Those creatures have the worst opinions at every given turn. I once saw them shrieking about female Custodes and how not only were they always part of the lore, the only reason anyone could ever have to oppose their inclusion is sexism and, incomprehensibly, homophobia.
The obsession they have with making a culturally backwards, superstitious, intolerant theocratic shithole inclusive and progressive baffles me. Normalfags are scum.

>>528399910
There sure are a lot of smaller primaris design choices that just look worse than things used to
The vehicles especially, I find the hover tech and the new gun set completely unforgivable myself
But the one design change I actually don't get at all is the near complete removal of MKVII helmet designs
It's THE iconic marine look, so throwing it into the bin for a new design smells like bad marketing
And it's not like they don't know how much people like it and other old marks considering they keep throwing them into kits as single special head options, right?
At this point we're headed towards a future where people will think of this tame flat snoop instead of the iconic gigascowl when they think of what a marine looks like

Survive

It's been recently said that the community update will be out on 30th and ''there's going to be some exciting news'' in it.
What's it gonna be? Major perks overhaul along with gun and melee balancing? Announcement of terminator armors getting added? Legion of the Damned cosmetics pack for $49.99?

>>528416626
>Stat updates for weapon variants finally getting rebalanced
>Techmarine getting an official announcement because everybody has known about him for well over a month now
>Maybe we might finally get mission modifiers
That's it.

>>528417641
After what the siege update info pipeline was, I'd expect it to be just the announcement that techmarine is coming with 0-3 screenshots of the class and that's it. No actual info, no other update details, just a confirmation of what everyone already knows. Especially since we can't expect the next update until august or later.
The only case I'd bet on except that is if it's not even techmarine. I could see the announcement being just "guys we're making axe and grav cannon, here's a screenshot of each to stare at while you wait 2 months for the PTS to test them starts bye".

>>528421514
I swear, making PTS a regular release between live patches was a gargantuan mistake. Sure it *might* give devs extra time (doubtful but I'll bite) but it torpedoes any buildup of players. It's ~9k now, so it's not bad, but the game feels stale somehow. Sad, because it has so much potential.
Anyway, whoever thought it was a good idea deserves a bolter to the head.

>>528422187
>It's ~9k now, so it's not bad, but the game feels stale somehow
That's because there's not much to work towards. Even siege reward is another shoulder pad. Obviously this game has dedicated player base, which is good, but it could be better. That's true.

They really need to rework how many players can play in our squad . Four should be a bare minimum. And no class restrictions. I don't care for interactions between characters (that was one reason they gave once upon a time) when I could have another player/a friend tag along.

Plus, revving up work on this customization rework they mentioned. Devs could use this as blueprint if they can't come up with a better solution:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/ideas/8019-%E2%96%AAmodular-customization-updated%E2%9C%85-%E2%96%AA?page=1
And this goes without saying, but increasing overall cosmetics pool should be a no brainer to incentivize the grind.

Absolute with pubbies is infinitely worse than Solo Absolute.

>Maximum horde spawn
>They either hog all the resources, or big dick Jimbo thinks he's too good for a Stim
>They get downed repeatedly to the dumbest shit regardless of the above option

>>528423279
>Even siege reward is another shoulder pad
Having to unlock the red/white/blue weapon variants means I'll have plenty to do in horde mode. Specifically the red variants, but since it's random I won't really be able to choose I guess. It'll certainly keep me busy, though I hope they can make it so a group with an assault player can make it past wave 10 when the full update drops.

Can someone explain to me the logic of Saber making chaos skins for a game mode they have left to rot and is an afterthought? ( pvp)

unless they are letting us play chaos in PVE soon these chaos skins are literally a waste of dev time.

>>528365362
Thanks, playing Heavy bolt rifle and that one helped, I think I'll skip auspex since I very rarely miss them and get other 2 down the road

>>528425125
once they release the last operation the pve is done, it's effectively dead, noone will ever queue it again. to get more revenue from idiots "connecting" to pros before sm3 is released, they need to make pvp more bearable so that people don't immediately abandon it too.

>>528426416
How many more operations will we get?

>>528426923
3, so we'll have 12 in total.

>>528426923
There were 3 more mission names found in datamines.

>>528427047
Will Chaos get a new terminus? I'm tired of helbrute

>>528423279
>Four should be a bare minimum
Can't

Console performance.

>>528427153
yes, we are getting the chaos spawn next patch

If devs were smart they would make SM a platform like CA did with Total War Warhammer trilogy, if you get SM3 and own 2 you get access to old ops and thousand sons and nid enemies and connect the games and operations. You would have a fuck ton of variety

>>528423758
>red/white/blue weapon variants
You're right, I forgot about those. That's a good motivator there as well, but this begs the question why not add more colors? I mean it's not like they're working with sniper's capes that can't be colored due to "material" being difficult to recolor.
I guess they'll be adding more gun camos in future updates.

>>528427153
see >>528427927

>>528427439
I think the wait between SM2 and 3 will be a lot shorter than SM1>2

For this reason i thinks its pretty likely we will see nids again due to the swarm tech they made for the engine, but i think we will also see either orks return or necrons.

>>528427153
chaos spawn, which i think are cool, shame the demon codex got gutted for 10th edition.

And to think we could have some cool summons such as ability to steer a Drednought. Though it's a helbrute, the mechanics are similar to that of a dred. It's clearly doable, though admittedly hammer strikes crash the game.
Fun fact: pc_helbrute files got axed in PTS. No fun allowed for Saber.

>>528429309
HELBRUTE IN PVP CONFIRMED FUCK YEAH

>>528429309
saber's deadly aversion to anything chaos being playable is bizarre to me.

I know they said its because GW doesnt want them playable but that always seemed like a scapegoat to me.

>>528428109
Is that the 'kill the astropath' op or a different one? I swear I saw screens of strings mentioning that we board the ship to kill one.
>>528429309
Ooooh, that's nice. Imagine if that got up in PvP as a killstreak or something like that. People would go bananas.

Do you guys feel like you got your "bang for your back" with Space Marine 2 or do you think it's overpriced for the content it provides?

>>528429309
AFAIK our regular Dread has
>Stomp
>Assault Cannon shots
>Under-slung flamer
>Missiles
Chaos Dread as an enemy has
>Hammer swings
>AOE hammer slams one small, one large
>Teleport
>Regular plasma cannon shots
>Charged plasma cannon shots
>Can actually run/charge

>>528430358
I think chaos should have been playable aswell and we should have had ATLEAST 6 pvp maps. But aside from that yeh, pretty satisfied.

>>528430358
700 hours with 99% of that from PvE, definitely got my money's worth.

>>528430892
Your primarch stole my primarch's hammer.

Into the nid meat hole

>>528430358
I'm a bit of a casual, but I've put in 200 hours and have had quite a bit of fun.

>>528430358
imo chaos should have been a playable mirror faction and had some of their own ops and more PVP customization
But overall I enjoyed and am enjoying the game

>>528433919
lost technology

>>528430358
I like they didn't go the route of micro transactions and kept them out of SM2. There is stuff like limited customization (imited for what could be done today) and some gameplay related issues, but after more than 200 hours I can safely say I got my money's worth.

>>528437865
original or the cash grab " remaster" ?

>>528437865
small indie company
pls understand

>>528438345
original

shooting exploding barrels with my side arm also triggers the ammo refund prestige perk

>>528438583
based, i have og aswell. The remaster doesnt even look that different lol.

>>528439113
Today i learned.

Post (You)r most unpopular opinion about anything related to Space Marine 2 and a potential Space Marine 3!

>>528443107
assault is okay.

>>528443107
What >>528443253 said as well as I think TH is actually just fine and I think it's just a bunch of retards obsessed with efficiency hating on it and Assault.
Also the las fusil and bolt sniper are both actually shit guns and SBR is all you should run on Sniper.
Bulwark and Heavy are perfectly fine to me.

>>528443253
still wouldnt want one on my team. i mostly see them gooning single targets with ground pound then rolling around. when i play assault i always dive in to help teammates and i wonder what they think to have an angel of death land right beside them. my fav thing with sniper is setting up executes from across the map too

>>528443107
They should've hired Jesper Kyd to make the soundtrack for SM2. The one we're stuck with is suboptimal.

>>528444390
>and i wonder what they think to have an angel of death land right beside them
they think
>oh for fuck sake he deleted my armor pickups again i swear to god if i go down i'm going to disconnect

>>528443107
I like fighting chaos more than tyranids

>>528446746
no you don't

>Play Sniper Warriors with swords everywhere
>play Assault Devourers as far as the eye can see always become enraged and take 80% of my health mid combo

>>528278393
Rapid restoration reduces your banner duration by half. It's kind of power crept by the aoe now honestly

>>528284802
"fencing is superior"

>>528443107
I actually like saber despite their serious flaws

>>528447119
my bolt sniper has 75% block break

>>528446803
yeah I do, I play mostly range heavy classes thoughever

>>528447863
everyone is telling me to use heavy plasma in chaos missions but there's nothing funnier than mowing tzangors down with a heavy bolter faster than they damage me. it's an equivalent of a blocking weapon.

>>528448454
Heavy bolter works just fine in any ops. Plasma is great for good reasons but I don't know if it's the superior option in all situations

>>528449139
plasma is the best for speed running where packs of enemies spawn in blobs on the map and you can lob plasma at them. its not great for other situations though unless you have a choke point.

>>528449337
The worst is when your teammates block the plasma because for some reason friendly collision exists

>>528451409
>Chainsword Assault
Absolute masochist.

>>528443107
The pivot to PvE focus was a good move, PvP should be dropped for SP3 and they should focus on greatly expanding Seige mode to be the main meat and potatoes mode. Orks, Eldar, Nids, Chaos, and Necrons as enemies.

>>528451409
>>528451851

>>528447252
>by the aoe now
huh? what do you mean

what's the point of heavy bolt rifle on heavy?

>>528444653
>Mick Gordon in charge of OST for Space Marine 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZMg9ryeWOw
Fund it Focus.

>>528452606
yes, that's what i'm talking about. refusing to take the lift because you need to kill EVERY. SINGLE. NIGGER. ON YOUR SCREEN. fucking idiots. you absolutely deserved to get obliterated by a neurothrope on the top of the lift. Surprising restraint on the vanguard player's side, probably because he chimped out before and was already dying.

>>528444653
Agreed, not enough electronic elements, it's all generic orchestra.

>>528453589
that fight was awesome, the 3 bad classes vs a horde

>>528443107
Relic would have done a better job than Saber

>>528453073
it can hip fire accurately, so you can run into battle with him. but all his heavy weapons have a 50% melee damage boost anyways and the bolt rifle does not. they should take it off the tact and then change it to make it more interesting for the heavy.

>>528453073
It’s worse than every one of his other guns as a joke
The real reason is that lorefags cried that on tabletop, heavy intercessors (which is what heavy is) usually carry the heavy bolt rifle as their primary firearm, so Saber added it so they’re stop bitching
>>528451851
There’s nothing wrong with chainsword assault, you have block stacks adrenaline surge shoulder bash to fall back on, it’s reliable on every class
Sure PSword or Fist is probably better, but it’s not a throw pick like THammer or anything

im not sure if assault's grenade regen is better than 20% ranged damage. feels like the grenades dont even refresh reliably

i was trying to test if you could walk up to a spore mine and quick punch it. but nothing spawned. these fags almost killed me. i got sniped later during the generator defense fight and the run ended.

>>528458963
>Prime example of when Fencing is better

>>528458963
and this was the biovore that spawned with them. i still dont know the attack patterns

>>528459080
there isnt a fencing sword as fast as this one though

>>528459080
but it has nothing to do with blocking? selecting a blocking weapon does not disable dodging, anon just chose to press the wrong button and proceed to eat shit.

Explain what the fucking point of going to somebody else's Battle Barge is. There is no reason I need to sit on a loading screen just so I can stand next to some faggot for 5 seconds before we go to the next loading screen. This is the worst lobby/matchmaker system I've ever seen.

>>528460427
>Explain what the fucking point of going to somebody else's Battle Barge is.
containers. it's cheaper to have two loading screens.

>>528459714
Lictors were alternating attacks, absolutely no way dodging would have worked.

>>528459080
It sure is the thing that makes fencing have a use case, that you're much less likely to fail your inputs like the initial hit in the webm because they are much easier to time

>>528452882
The Aoe banner is just a better option all around imo. It's just a straight upgrade with no trade off to the banner. Plus as long as you have Armour left you don't take chip damage from melee so it's really difficult to justify using rapid restoration

>>528458242
It definitely regenerates properly.

Think we'll get an Astartes II cosmetic pack featuring the likes of the Retributors, alongside additional cosmetics for the Reapers Scythes, Blood Angels etc.?

>>528465271
No

>Zoanthrope catches you with its fucking bullshit beam and you're staggered so long it guaranteed catches you with the second one
FUCK YOU

>>528465935
>you perfectly dodged the beam but because of light latency you get hit anyway and get wombo combod
Pls...

>>528465935
The fact that zoats can double beam is absolute bullshit. Like the warriors that can shoot two cannon shots right after another with no warmup.

>>528461339
Oh you meant the Damage over Time for the banner yeah?
I agree its the best choice if the duration gets halved yeah, but also i wish the aoe damage would...work?
I see spore mines fly through it all the time and honestly, fuck that

3 days, 9 hours

>>528469567
The aoe definitely works, but whether it's a dome hitbox, a sphere or some weird 2d shape is beyond me. I've seen it work with mines plenty of time. In fact I've never noticed it not work with mines.

>>528470845
for what?

reminder its not your fault

>>528474184
i wanted to psot this one

Does Intimidating Aura work on block weapons in the PTS?

assault is so cool

>>528443107
Taking the Lascannon off Heavy was a good idea, the two melta guns aren't fun to use in the slightest despite being extremely strong weapons, and the GL Bolter is a shit weapon was only looked favorably on because Tactical being able to infinitely reload it was insufferably broken

>>528480810
Melta is probably Heavy’s worst weapon outside of HBR
It has no range and does trash damage to Majoris, Extremis and Terminus, and the only thing it’s good for is spam clearing gaunts, which really anyone can do and melee build stomp heavy can do without it and still take heavy bolter or plasma cannon
I don’t think it has any niche at all for Heavy outside of fun

this game would be much harder if you had to play as a squad of sisters repentia
at least I would be

>>528484619
just play assault if you want to get raped

>>528480810
GL bolter was looked on favorably because most ranged weapons were shit because the devs don't intend that you can rely on your ranged weapons in this game

>>528474439
Yea

>doing heirophant
>get to the sewer room
>instead of going to the objective, teammates split to fight random fuck ass tyranids who all start calling for help at once
I should really learn to just leave the mission when this happens

>>528485272
So Fencing’s single remaining use case is now dead…

>>528487365
It's still far more forgiving to use

>>528488202
Well yeah

>>528487365
You lose little overall damage with fencing because the game is built around constantly doing gunstrikes that are not counted in your ranged or melee damage.
Block exists just to make your game harder while doing about as much as you would with fencing otherwise.

>>528489194
I’ll take a harder system to use for a 0.1% increase in damage any day of the week

>>528487365
There's every chance that the new block bug won't be fixed when the full update comes, which might genuinely be enough to balance block weapons finally

>>528489675
It still leaves block as the objectively worse system for most people and that's just not the goal of defense type as far as the devs are concerned.

>>528491218
That’s not how the word objectively works
Since the system is more or less effective depending on who is using it and their skill level, that means it is subjective, not objective

>>528492393
Empirically, it is worse for more people in most situations.
So it is objectively the worse system for more people.

>>528492628
No, it is objectively a stronger system than fencing, because we can measure damage output with actual numbers
It is subjectively worse for most people because it is subjectively more difficult for most people, which we cannot measure objectively with numbers

>>528489675
The actual effective damage increase, just measured from rough time it takes to achieve a kill, is more like 200% btw

>>528492967
>because we can measure damage output with actual numbers
>subjectively more difficult for most people, which we cannot measure objectively with numbers
We can, it's all the performance numbers the game tells you at the end of a level. A player that does badly gets bad numbers, a player that is relying on block and doesn't have the skill to effectively use it will consistently get worse numbers than he would have with fencing.

>>528493275
(if the target is doing nothing and is alone and nothing else is happening around you etc etc)

>>528493304
What I mean is that we cannot objectively measure
>oh anon #237 is only utilizing block to 32.7% of it’s full potential and thus is losing 67.8% effectiveness in this 2-minute window
But we can objectively measure
>given a Bonesword warrior doing a basic 3-hit combo, a fencing weapon can put out 89.4 damage with parry-gunstrike and block can put out 200.5 damage with adrenaline surge + rev skip + 3 shoulder bashes in a 3 second window

>>528493763
And what I mean is that the end of level stats are an objective measurement of the players performance and that we can easily use that to see that block doesn't work for anyone but exceptional players that have specifically gotten good with block. You can more often than not see players do objectively worse while using block, and this means we objectively know block is worse for more players.

someone enlighten me on the fist
how do I fist my enemies rightly

>>528494869
Okay, so can I say
>while measuring only top-level players who are experienced with block mechanics, block is objectively more powerful than fencing
?

>>528495117
Tide of Battle

>>528495120
Yes.

>>528495117
https://youtu.be/Z660vRorHDc?feature=shared

Here you go brother

>>528493491
Because of the stagger and insane damage, no
There are good and bad times to go on the offensive, but there are more opportunities than bad timings and once you do get your combo in you'll kill the enemy so fast that you'll be in an execution animation by the time another enemy attacks you
This would be easier of course if the explosion bug was fixed, and may no longer be a viable option if the no deflection bonus bug stays into live, but theoretically those bugs should be fixed

>>528495290
>space shark

>>528501474
>but theoretically those bugs should be fixed
Maybe in a distant future. Explosion bug hasn't been fixed since, like what, 5.0? Baffling considering it was telegraphed many times but the devs either can't or won't do it for whatever reason.

>>528502242
perhaps because it's not a bug at all, just a happy balancing accident.

update when?

>>528502409
Hasn't changed since the announcement

>>528502389
>mess up a mechanic
>call it a feature
>profit
checks out when it comes to modern devs

>>528502487
tuesday?

>>528502409
two more weeks

>>528502675
lmao

>>528502409
soon

>>528502242
Since 6.0, actually. Just 1 patch after it was introduced. Lol

>>528504671
you wouldn't understand

>>528504671
>>528504885
>6.0 was in February
>5.0 released in December
Not too long ago we were talking about how good it would be to have colored lenses. Time sure flies.
I genuinely question their management if things like this bug can get forgotten so easily only to be somewhat acknowledged a couple of months later.

>>528504885
My mind is too small to understand the wits of the slavs
>>528507460
It's sure smells like technical debt and having totally different people managing their game now.

>>528509120
>It's sure smells like technical debt and having totally different people managing their game now
More than likely

>>528521076
>newplayers don't know the game changed hands three or four times by now

>>528502409
Let me put it this way, you might be able to find a bargain on steam around the same time it drops. See >>528035750

They should add daily/weekly quests and more shit to spend gold on.

Brother we are on page 10 here

>>528546771
brother we will take it

>>528547475
On a related note, I’ve been trying for years now to find an old YouTube poop of the Space Marine fortress intro from Soulstorm with Boreale.
It went something like:
Scout: Commander Boreale, enemy forces in our perimeter.
Boreale: Where?
Scout: In our perimeter.
Boreale: WHEEEERRREEEEE???
Boreale: There is time to be lost! Battle teeetttheeerrss!”
And then a part where Boreale went “but no, we shall not die, it is the enemy who will die, die, die, die” but the word die is sped up or slowed down at random. The ending, I think, had some sort of Sonic song remix to a bunch of scouts running fast. Every few months I search for it and find nothing.

>>528550984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRGg3e1b68

>>528507460
>>528509120
Pic related is from March, but the pace of updates and how small they feel proportionally to time between each patch points to a skeleton crew and someone very poor at managing tasks.
Despite all their claims otherwise it seems like, at least for the time being, we're left with a couple of people supporting the game while the rest went on to work on SM3 among other things. Because let's not forget Saber are actively developing at least 10 games as of 2025, i.e. Turok, which is an SM2 reskin.

I really want SM2 to be good, but it looks like devs and the publishers don't share people's sentiment.

>>528551726
>spend months looking for this
>can’t find it no matter how many weird combinations of “soulstorm space marine YouTube poop” I try
>make a random post on a dying general
>anon instantly knows which one it is and posts it
T-Thanks…

assault space marines are also bad in other video games like dawn of war. are they even good on table top? maybe the codex is wrong

>>528555681
In 7th edition they paid a hefty premium for their mobility, but being armed with only chainswords and bolt pistols by default left them extremely toothless against anything with decent armour
So they would charge a unit of marines, get their 3 attacks per model, and deal an average of 0.25 wounds per model (so a unit of 5 might kill one enemy marine)
They worked well enough against guard blobs but when faced with most stuff they would be a relatively expensive unit that couldn't do much more than run into a solid wall of health

>>528552484
God don't remind me about Turok. That was my favorite FPS series as a kid. I hate what it's become.

I keep getting Atreus, Decapitation and Obelisk in quick match heh
What are your most common asigned maps in quick match

Assault's jet dash should do damage by default, it shouldn't require that one talent. We hear all the time about how deadly an Astartes is at high speeds, how they can just smash into things in combat, but that is not depicted except by rolling over Chaos cultists. Assault dashing through a pack of hermagauts should similarly damage and displace them, and impact should stagger in an area just like Vanguard's AoE grapple talent.

>>528573257
This should apply to other classes than just assault, but I hear you. Remember though it's Saber. If by some miracle they let us just ram things (which would be fun undoubtedly) it would be very quickly rolled back and deemed 'game breaking' and making the game 'not challenging enough'.

>>528552484
>pic related
>SM3 will not kill SM2
Sure it won't. It doesn't say it won't bring its development/support almost to a halt. I know they live in their discord bubble but in this day and age it's not hard to cross reference release schedules, content released in general with their whatever it is that they're claiming.
And as a side note, these CMs aren't very good at relaying information. They really couldn't find anyone better to communicate between studio and community?

>>528575364
>It doesn't say
It doesn't mean.

I love playing with people that have wacky eastern euro/asian/arabic accents

>>528575364
>the greater good is no match for grenade nipples

I second I hear someone's mic I mute them.

i'm going all in on Bulwark, the most fun class

>>528589736
*sorry, meant to say Heavy

>>528589809
stop impersonating me, i know what i said

>>528590167
*sorry I meant to say I love penis
Heil Horus

update tomorrow?

>>528552484
Space marine 2 did too well that we suffer it not being fully realized. Feels bad.

>>528595198
26th

>>528606623
oh

>>528606623
Pretty nice timing actually. I’m just about to finish up my current Rimworld colony and won’t have anything to play until the new Rimworld DLC launches in a few weeks, so I’ll just busy myself with Siege mode until then.

>>528606623
>on my day off this week
Noice.

>>528611681
who's going to tell him?

>>528619352
Tell him that you suck dicks aaaAaaAaahahahahahahahah

WHY DO SO MANY FUCKING SUB 20 LEVEL RETARDS TRY TO PLAY LETHAL AND CAUSE US TO LOSE? FUCK OFF AND LEVEL UP YOU FUCKING SHITS

>>528622283
you'd have a mental breakdown with the amount of people joining absolute at level 1 and still completing the mission anyway when prestige perks came out.

>>528622283
>lethal
Bruh I haven’t turned the difficulty down from Absolute in months, what’s wrong with you?

>>528622283
I’m not fucking with you, if you can’t solo a lethal mission with no teammates that’s a megahuge Imperator-sized skill issue

>>528622283
I will never forget how on my fourth reset I joined absolute as level 1 assault for the lulz and ended up carrying the other two guys

>>528625185
It turns out that as long as you can prioritize threats and press your parry/block button, you really can do anything
Weren’t there some anons here who did an Absolute with only grey weapons just for show?

2 more sleeps and I can properly honor my lord, my father, my blood red star.

>>528598398
Yeah, shame that they're afraid of success. This could truly be a AAA if Saber and Focus actually gave a shit, because as much as GW can stone wall anyone I don't think they have anything against making money.

>>528635534
If they honestly do fulfill their promises and support this game with effort promised
>huffs copium
I would be very happy to buy space marine 3 but I have no plans to touch that game if they truly gut support for 2 early.

anyone here gonna play the new rogue trader DLC?

Does anyone have that Prestige perk compilation that one Anon was doing? I know it's been posted a long while ago and it's a long shot, but maybe someone could post it?

>>528655091
I dont have money yet but when I do I plan to get it and continue my fat ugly bastard playthrough

>>528655091
Nah. I got burnt out on rogue Trader after about 30 hours.

>>528589736
Bulwark with fist is fun as fuck, but i'm absolutely shit with the class on higher difficulties. Especially after prestiging it and having to get all my perks again.

>>528658570
It's actually been revised not long ago. Better wait for op for the latest version

>>528669586
Oh, that's fantastic news! I will.
Thank you the info Brother!

>>528658570
this?

Why are the bolters in fucking Darktide still infinitely more satisfying to use than the Space Marine versions??

>>528678153
That's the one Anon asked about though the one you posted is an older version iirc. OP said he will be updating prestige infograph once 8.0 goes live.

>>528681541
they are decent if you max out head shot damage and only hit the head

>>528681412
It's easier to justify the weapon hitting like a truck when it can be balanced by long reload and weapon swap times, when it can be balanced as a specialist weapon
When the gun has to function as the most basic ranged weapon it has to face enemies where it won't be an instant kill burst
That plus a bit better sound design and animation heft probably, though that's subjective

just died mid air to a melee attack from a warrior. assault is so fucking pathetic

Not long to wait now anons, hopefully some anons post some codes here on release date so i have somebody to play horde mode with.

>>528681412
>Rocket propelled grenade versus a zombie full of maggots
>Rocket propelled grenade versus a creature bred to resist rocket propelled grenades to the best of the hive mind's ability

man the thunder hammer is pretty good even though it doesnt make sense for the average assault marine to have one

>>528691280
It’s pretty ass cuz it’s designed to hit-trade on a class that has 0 sustain

>>528691280
>it doesnt make sense for the average assault marine to have one
There's only one worthy of such weapon.
Also, it's funny how Bulwark makes better use of TH damage-wise than Assault, although it's clear as day the former wasn't meant to use it. Kudos to Saber though, because it is fun to swing it with all the damage buffs.

>>528689130
Steel yourself Brother. We'll be taking the fight to those hordes in siege mode.

>>528695856
there's actually good precedent for the thunder hammer on blade guard: adrax agatone is essentially a blade guard captain

>>528681412
SM2 ranged weapon design is just bad

>>528707985
I love how chunky the bolters sound in SM1 compared to 2. So much bass to each shot.

I'm kinda expecting the Phobos helmet over the weekend. The Community Event for the shitty three skull chest piece was the weekend of the same week the Trygon dropped, right?

best single target dps combo for combat knife? using block version

>>528709232
I've noticed the bolters in SM2 sound really good when being used by another player or in third person cinematics and such. Because when you're using them they're accompanied by a bunch of tinny hitsounds and things that butcher the sound design.

power sword is fun. i saw someone interrupt the tyrant's wave attack with ground pound so now i do it too

this is still preferable to the disk gors that cannot be hit by melee weapons

>>528716698
a single webm that proves everyone who says chaos is more fun than tyranids are liars

>>528159862
>>528165548
I care

>>528160312
assault is the minoris slayer and a lot of player do have trouble vs minoris. he can be a decent pick. that being said, i played assault with a good heavy and sniper and i had almost nothing to do

>>528719549
No decent player has trouble versus minoris.

i thought i had tinnitus but it was just this guy moving his chains

Just a reminder that Erda is such a shit human being that she managed to make Erebus look like a sympathetic hero.

>>528720240
even good snipers have to roll slop from them while they pick off priority targets

>>528690406
>Rocket propelled grenade versus a creature bred to resist rocket propelled grenades to the best of the hive mind's ability
wait let me just look and see if poxwalkers are the only enemy in darkti- WHOA THEY'RE NOT
WOW
w-whoa how can this be happening, let's see- yes, the bolter is still fun, satisfying and effective against armour plated chaos ogryns, mutants and LITERAL DAEMONS HOLY SHIT

shut the fuck up retard

>>528721029
you type like a fag

>>528690406
Hormagaunts are supposed to be about as durable as a guardsman.

>>528721029
the enemies which get torn apart by the bolter in darktide are the same one our bolter kills 2-3 a shot punching through, things like chaos ogryns, demonhosts, and beasts of nurgle all have longer kill times than any of the stuff we fight, even up to carnifexes

SM2 wouldn’t be a good game if bolt rifles killed every enemy in 2-3 rounds. Either the game would be so easy that you could sleep while playing it, or the screen would have to be filled with 1 billion enemies and consoles and mid-end PC’s would overheat and explode. Saber made the only sensible choice.

>>528724629
guardsmen are a lot more durable than chaos cultists and mutants, so that makes sense

>>528725363
>SM2 wouldn’t be a good game if bolt rifles killed every enemy in 2-3 rounds
Yes it would.
>1 billion enemies and consoles and mid-end PC’s would overheat and explode
The game already does this and everyone's computers are fine.
The first game had waves of enemies that weren't entirely composed of massive bullet sponges. Gretchin died in 1-2 shots, boys died in 6 or so, you didn't need to hunt for headshots to kill enemies in a reasonable time frame. The spongey orks were rare orks carrying shields that you were supposed to cooperate to kill with distraction and flanking.
The enemies people complained about were chaos enemies because they were almost universally insanely tanky spam with constant powerful and accurate ranged attacks like SM2's enemies.
Saber is incompetent and this is only one of the numerous ways they have demonstrated their ineptitude.

>>528733770
Nah I disagree with you

>>528733770
>the game already does this and everyone’s computers are fine
This is blatantly untrue, the game can’t even handle Siege mode past wave 15 because the number of enemies literally crashes the game, which is why the timer gets shorter each wave
We’d have to have 4x-5x more enemies than THAT to have bolters kill Majoris enemies in a few shots, the game absolutely could not handle that

>>528734890
This game literally renders hundreds of full detail enemy models at a time, sometimes multiple times per mission.
RTS games for decades have regularly managed to have hundreds of units carrying out their directives individually.
The game crashes because of saber's shit code.

>>528725493
the scab enemies in darktide are just chaos guardsmen

>>528734890
It's more that there is a finite number of enemies it can spawn in a single cell before the game crashes. Not necessarily how many are alive at once, but how many have been alive in your current area without reloading or refreshing the cell in some way.

Operations solve this by having multiple instanced areas separated by elevators and black screens. Performance degradation comes when too many enemies have been active in the same area for too long, that's why the game is about pushing you forward into new areas, not lingering.

>>528736324
This is such a nothing statement
>well X game is able to have 1 trillion enemies on screen
Okay but I wasn’t talking about X game was I? I said that THIS game cannot handle that many at once, of course it’s because Saber’s code sucks, they made the fucking game my brother

>>528738674
And the argument is that saber made the wrong game.

>>528738775
Yeah we might be arguing past eachother. I’m saying that I think we got the best thing Saber could realistically make with the quality and experience of employees they have. Now in some fantasy universe COULD we have gotten a better game where bolters are more impactful, Majoris enemies die in 2-3 headshots, and there are 4-5x more fully animated enemies on screen in combat? Sure, in that fantasy universe. But we got this Saber, not God-devs Saber.

should i play some so that i don't completely suck tomorrow?

>>528721029
A tyranid warrior, if put into in darktide, would be more resilient to bolter fire than those armoured chaos ogryns. You have to remember just how different the danger scales on the two games are.
That was exactly the point of what I wrote earlier - in DT, the bolter is a specialist weapon that can be balanced as such, but when you put it in a context where its main downsides are nullified and it is supposed to be the default gun, the enemies have to become stronger to match to keep the game reasonable.

>>528740063
I think creating a space marine game where the enemies are numerous and aren't torturously spongy should have been well within saber's ability since we had a game like that on the xbox 360 14 years ago, it was called space marine.

>>528738674
>I said that THIS game cannot handle that many at once
Then why is it doing exactly that in the webm?

>>528741368
A chaos ogryn has more wounds than a tyranid warrior, a chaos ogryn in carapace armor would have equivalent armor. That's what a crusher is, a chaos ogryn in carapace armor.

>>528741515
Pretty positive those aren’t fully animated enemies. It’s the same when the nidders charge the bridge during Decapitation, or the train in the dust mission, or most other endgame parts. The gaunts all die in a single hit and have two animations and behaviors, run, and die. It’s only when they make the leap up onto the wall/fighting platform that they turn into fully modeled animations with a full range of animations and attacks.

>>528742768
Their models are just as detailed as actual enemies and that's the overwhelming majority of an enemy's graphical burden on the game.

>>528743640
>nigga never glitched out of bounds
do you even play the game

>>528744302
Do you? Their models are clearly the same hormagaunt models you fight. Maybe your eyes don't work.

>>528743640
I’m willing to bet they have a lot less of a load on the engine when they’re in that running state, regardless of model fidelity. I mean you can see it in the bridge section, the game literally has to have an elevator right before AND right after that section just to de-load all the dead enemies so it can make new ones without crashing the game. Imagine if we had that many enemies 24/7, which is what I’m positing? The game would need an elevator every 50 steps.

>>528741404
I agree, but keep in mind that was Relic who made SM1. I too think Saber should be more than capable to implement something like that, but past devs were leagues beyond modern ones. More creative approach with higher limitations etc. They would've found a way to make fighting hordes work, even after game's release.
On the other hand I wonder how much better SM2 could've potentially been had they released it on PCs only. At least then Saber wouldn't be able to just throw around the argument of resource limitations as much as they do now.

>>528743640
Not that I have checked if this applies everywhere but
https://youtube.com/shorts/F1UKfcbB3xA
So I'm not entirely sure about your claim
There is also a burden for the AI processing. When this game first came out, I tried playing it on my old computer; my graphics card held up really well despite being several years out of date, but my CPU (which, admittedly, was also rather dated) just couldn't cope with the load. It lagged so badly it felt like playing on 999 ping in singleplayer.

>>528745507
All of the hormagaunts that run towards you in waves are fully modeled, just fucking look at them. Have you seriously never looked down at a wall and seen the 50 hormagaunts climbing it are clearly the same models you fight?

Since 8.0 releases tomorrow, I'd like to say that siege mode should have brought loadouts feature. This is a must and it's mind boggling how they didn't make it a reality after, I assume, months of development. Do they even play their own game?

In operations it doesn't matter that much because you can change your build before launch but in siege you have to compromise using middle grounds builds because if you fully spec into either faction you're gonna suffer every 5 waves. It's so counterintuitive. At least make a loadout tie with your weapons selection. I can't imagine this being so problematic to code.

Again, up until now it wasn't a consideration, but I'd say going forward this should be one of top priorities when it comes to QoL.

>>528747146
Small development team please understand

Hot damn, that's a pretty shit set of cosmetics
>slightly different green colour
>faceplate helmet pattern (which was already in the DA pack)
>a bunch of colours that might as well be the ones we already have
>shoulder icons
The shoulder icons are honestly decent, they open up for using or approximating the symbol of a lot of other chapters (e.g. the bird head could be used for a lot of chapters if you skipped the raven guard pack, or the axe motif helping approximate a number of chapters) but that's basically all you get from it
The BA pack is significantly more interesting

On a sidenote, the SW pack shoulder icons and the lamenters checkered shoulder icon REALLY should have been made into patterns for the shoulder pad instead of just being fully covering chapter badges. That way you could layer them underneath a shoulder badge to create unique heraldry for a marine.

>>528750512
The faceplate helmet pattern isn't what's new in this pack, it's the full head stripe that goes to the chin. Primarily seen in old pre-Primaris Lamenters patterns. The colors are also way nicer in general compared to vanilla, Angron Red and Bad Moon Yellow are both a lot nicer looking than their vanilla counterparts. Pic related, an anon posted this using the new shades.

>>528750812
Look at the image I posted again, I'm talking about the white scars pack

>>528751691
Aren't the Blood Angels and White Scars the same pack? I thought they were being bundled together?

>>528751996
Nothing I've heard. The discord has them in separate posts.
If they ARE bundled that would be interesting. For a fair price that could be something I'd consider. The white scars successor collection is just pretty ass as is, though I guess they are more of an extra on the assault champion (though with the current state of champion skins, I guess it's more like you're forced to buy the champion skin if you want access to the shoulder badges). How good the pack ends up being will depend entirely on if the price is reasonable and how that future champion skin customization update shakes out.
As mentioned, the BA pack is a lot more interesting, more useful new colours and while I'm not sure about the usefulness of the full head stripe and the angels penitent armour pattern (the former is basically not used by any chapter besides the flesh eaters and consecrators, and the latter might not be recolourable) they are at least something that genuinely expands possible options.

>>528747146
>Do they even play their own game?
nope

i hear people saying the knife is better ttk than chainsword on majoris but i kind of don't see it am i doing something wrong? the purple block chainsword with LLH combo seems way faster than anything i can do with the knife other than the risky charge attack.

>>528747146
>This is a must
Hear hear Brother. The only problem, as you pointed out is 0 hrs 0 sec spent playing game by dev team. I worry it's the case of Diablo IV. They once sent two women for an internal interview about changes they made to the game. They were supposed to play the game as the conversation went along, but these trollops didn't even bother to use anything beyond basic attack skills (protip: you can and should use class skills in that game). It was pitiful to watch. So, Saber might be having the same problem of actually having few people doing the heavy living while the rest are riding on their coattails.

>>528750512
>this is what 2 months of extra time get us
>skin patterns
I know we get few armor pieces but come on. There should be twice as much content for that amount of time.
As I mentioned above most of these people must be sitting and playing their pool or whatever, because it's clear they put in absolute percentile of bare minimum into "development" time.

>>528753395
You need to use Shadow Stab on the Block Combat Knife, and Sniper/Tactical are the best classes for it due to their perks Battle Focus and Tactical Ambush respectively. Charge it for a second until it flashes and you're dealing retard levels of damage.

>>528747146
Loadouts should have been in the game from the start desu. They must've fired their testers along the way. No way most of the bugs we have would fly past semi-competent QA.

>>528753395
the charge attack is awesome, when your allies are fighting something you can charge up and kill it and its a tracking leap attack so its useable unlike the chainsword. for regular combat you can just spam the skull crushers in all situations and the damage is fine, it also has an increase heavy damage perk after each heavy attack.

>>528753395
>better ttk than the chainsword
First of all, which chainsword? And which majoris? For warriors both the artificer and the relic ones have the exact same breakpoint meaning the artificer has a slightly faster ttk due to faster chaining speed. For the rubricae the relic actually has better breakpoint by 1 hit so it is way faster.

Secondly, the knife doesn't have better ttk. There is just no way. If you use the best single target combo with the block knife you will be able to 1 combo a warrior but it's still a far longer than just 2 full throttle cancel combo. The difference probably isn't that big, practically speaking, however.

>>528741404
You never played the first game if you think the enemies aren't sponges

Brothers! Tomorrow's update is at 11 AM CEST. Set your timers.

will they adjust the patch notes at all?

>>528786061
Be quiet.

>>528786902
Thanks for proving my point, you are bullet sponging the equivalent of sm2 hormagaunts.

>>528786978
No? That would be gretchin.
Did you ever play the first game?

>>528786902
would ork boyz be minoris or majoris? medoris?

>>528787374
boyz are definitely minoris, nobz are low majoris

This is as close as you get to a warrior equivalent in the first game. It dies to about two light combos worth of damage on hard.

>>528786183
does anyone have a cool image they want me to try to ai animate

>>528792031
ye I do

>>528792031
typing YES to affirm

>>528792031
Aye.

>>528796990
what is he singing?

>>528792268
this probably wont work for anything thats not a human force or a clear silhouette. otherwise it would take a lot of trial and error with prompting

>>528797740
Interesting camo cloak there, sneaky boy

>>528792031
Let's see what it does with this

>>528797740
Jorge?

>>528798415
Perfect. The Emperor provides!

>>528798415
That's the happiest we'll ever see our boy Titus. Poor guy was made to suffer.

>>528797434
>HEY YAY YAY YAYAY
>HEY YAY YAY
>I SAID HEY
>WHAT'S GOING ON?

>>528792031
Could you try and animate this rendition of our 3 boys?

>>528797996


il try these two but thats it, my room is getting really hot
>>528798949
>>528799421

>>528799421
>this week on Top Codex

>>528800219
>Tonight!
>Hammond attempts to outmaneuver a Drukhari skiff using a stolen Genestealer cult limo.
>May attempts to install a servitor into a Rhino's dashboard... for “efficiency.”
>And I… declare Exterminatus after failing to parallel-park a Land Speeder

>>528799421
>>528800219
>>528801023
>Some say He once raced a Land Raider through a hive city just to prove the Mechanicus wrong about "safety protocols"...
>And that He thinks a Baneblade has "just the right amount" of cup holders…
>And He's banned from seven Forge Worlds for calling a Knight Titan “a bit slow off the line”
>Nobody knows his real name. But to the Inquisition, he’s simply known as…
>The Stig

>>528801389
yes this happens to assault in game, can confirm.

>>528799421
What respective chapters would they be from? I feel like Jezza would be a white scar.

>>528801389
>EXPLODING KNEES

>>528800217
My guy turns into a 2nd edition mini painted using the THICKEST coats imaginable here

>>528799421
lol. the ai works better when is photo real. the photoshopped heads and 3d video game lighting help it i think. but it struggles with concept art, even though the art might look good to us it doesnt makes sense for the ai model i use. no one knows how this works though

>>528801548
>What respective chapters would they be from?
For me it would go something like this:
Jeremy - Imperial Fist, probably a Devastator Sergeant who thinks close combat is for "blunt instruments like Guilliman's lot" and has deep arguments with Tech-Priests about "optimal range versus satisfying overkill"

James - Ultramarine, obsessed with doctrine, tactical formations, and proper boltgun etiquette and would write full after-action reports, complete with maps and footnotes.

Hammond - White Scar, fast, reckless, always on the move - and often in flames, gets lost chasing Eldar jetbikes mid-patrol and returns with half a Dark Eldar gang following him home

>been suffering from Nurgle’s anal explosion illness for the last few days
>can barely play vidya without immediately needing to get up and shit myself
>two days now
>had to call in today
>getting worse
HELP ME BROTHERS THE PEPTO APOTHECARY DOES NOTHING

>>528801347
>not the Squig
it was right there

>>528802323
My guy is baked in the back

>>528802323
Wow, this came out much better then I'd hoped. Fantastic, Brother!
If it's anything like static image generation then a lot depends on particular model. Are you using Forge?

>>528792031
Emprah is smiling upon us!

>>528802323
>>528803295
i use wanx, you can check out the /ldg/ - Local Diffusion Genera on /g/. an anon made a guide to install it

>>528804816
Thanks, I will give it a look. Very cool initiative btw, kudos Brother.

>>528801389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O03WLn8SzaE&t=30

>>528805528
>man on the Golden Throne: "I'm getting stronger"

>>528796990
based arigato anon-kun

>>528804816
Very Top Gear-like interaction, James and Jezza having a bant and Richard having none of it.

>>528805305
>when she see's the holy cock of Titus

There is no reward for finishing all Operations in Absolute ?

>>528819274
Isn't that how you get the bloody knife skin? Or was that the trophy shoulder pad?

is thermal pistol useless on assault? i dont get it. the biggest thing is not being able to headshot minoris. and plasma has way longer ranged stagger

>>528823914
is this lore accurate?

if any of you didn't get these before

>>528825363
God dammit. I hate this streaming bullshit.