SEXUS MINORIS 12 Edition

Previously on /coopg/ : >>531800152

>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
Steam Hotfix 6.6.4 - 30th of June
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/steam-hotfix-6-6-4-30th-of-june/110130

Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-battle-for-tertium-out-now-patch-notes/109117
Hotfix #72 (1.8.4) - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-72-1-8-4-patch-notes/110661

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - 24 jul
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Jump Ship - TBA Demo Out

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Felinid >:3c

Assignment rank 39 bros.
Just need to win 1 of the next 3 missions, then I can finally play the game.

SEXUS MINORIS 12 SPOTTED!

NONCEIO AQUILA DEPLOYED!

>>532013735
I once got demoted from 39 to 33
No idea what was happening. Just a terrible streak of shitters on my team. Praying for you.

>>532013674

>>532013829
The trick is to only play the easy maps. Do not queue into some shit like refinery delta heinous rituals final toll. Go for hab dreyko with moebian 21st and rituals and shit like that. Avoid final toll + encroaching at all costs. Those hard ass missions are only for when you can afford to lose.

do i take rending 10% ir weapon speed 10% on the power sword on veteran
also do i take brittleness on energized hits against heavy armored foes or cleave 50 percent on hit?
Also doesnt the energized special attack state just rends armor naturally or why does it do so much damage already?
Im kinda trying to get into the weapon because the performance is actually pretty good

Post your favorite gun and let people judge you.

>>532014016
>inb4 it's just Emperor remembering the anime catgirls he saw around 2020s.

>>532014248
first place is pic
second place is infantry gun with sights mod
without sights mod recon laser
third is the bolt pissstol

>>532014203
Skip brittleness because you can 2 shot crushers anyway
Take brutal momentum and power cycler

>>532014248
I think basic revolvers are lovely

Remove Voice of Command
Remove Infiltrate
Remove grenade regeneration
Remove Chorus
Remove Shroudfield
Remove Loner
Remove Taunt
Remove Burst Limiter Override
Remove Castigator's Stance
Remove Execution Order
Remove Concussive
Remove Smite
Remove Telekine Dome
Remove Wildfire
Remove Confident Strike
Remove Skullcrusher
Remove Uncanny Strike
Remove Shattering Impact
Remove Exterminator Shotgun
Remove Voltaic Shock Mine
Remove Plasma Gun
Remove Rumbler
Remove Dueling Sword
Remove Inferno Force Staff
Remove Combat Knife
Remove Pickaxe
Remove Bully Club
Remove Arbites Shock Maul
Remove Bleed
Remove Cooldown Reduction (Tactical Awareness, Invocation of Death, Martyr's Purpose, Pious Cut-Throat, Go Again!, Bruiser, Psykinetic's Aura, Seer's Presence, Warp Siphon, Malocator, Targeted Brutality, Curios)

>list own party
>spend 15 minutes rejecting retards for reasons such as
> - not upgraded weapons
> - retarded blessings
> - meme zealot builds
> - no clearance
> - blue trinkets
> - retarded builds like dog builds with no voltaic mandibles or dumping 4 points in EO that doesn't even work
>exactly 0 non-retarded applicants
>remove listing

>>532014203
Power Cycler is mandatory as it makes the weapon usable.
Sunder is the only other blessing that matters, because it lets it cleave through carapace without getting stuck.
Your skill tree is literally irrelevant because power sword is powerful enough on its own. Rending and other meme stats are irrelevant because it kills everything already. The only relevant buff is attack speed, but if you need to go out of your way to get it, don't bother. You can run power sword without any crit or melee support in your tree, and it still rapes everything. You just have to get used to its slow response time, so swap and charge the thing BEFORE shit gets into melee.

>>532015569
>Your skill tree is literally irrelevant because power sword is powerful enough on its own.
wrong
you need melee speed from the tree to make it bearable to use

>>532015569
>sunder
it says it only works on heavy melee attacks while being energized. what if im not using heavies but spam light attacks? Will it still not bounce off or i dont understand what you mean

>>532013762
Hot
>>532014248
>>532014574
>>532014620
Decent choices
Would make love to you

I wish Darktide had better content. It sucks that they lean on difficulty as a band-aid solution for the lack of content and it cultivates a fan base of difficulty snobs.

>>532015304
>Remove Voice of Command
Nerf gold toughness into being +20 and make it so you can no longer stagger ogryn enemies or bosses with it
>Remove Infiltrate
Buff it by combining all of the modifier nodes into the base ability
>Remove grenade regeneration
Heavily nerf it demo stockpile, should be like 2 minutes, but remove demo team
>Remove Chorus
It's fine but should be nerfed
>Remove Shroudfield
Nerf it by removing Invigorating
>Remove Loner
Agreed
>Remove Taunt
It's fine, nerf the toughness gained
>Remove Burst Limiter Override
It's fine
>Remove Castigator's Stance
Nerf it to being 50% DR
>Remove Execution Order
It doesn't even work
>Remove Concussive
It's fine
>Remove Smite
Agreed
>Remove Telekine Dome
It's fine
>Remove Wildfire
It's fine
>Remove Confident Strike
Agreed
>Remove Skullcrusher
It's fine
>Remove Uncanny Strike
Agreed
>Remove Shattering Impact
It's fine
>Remove Exterminator Shotgun
Nerf them
>Remove Voltaic Shock Mine
Nerf it
>Remove Plasma Gun
Nerf it
>Remove Rumbler
Nerf ammo
>Remove Dueling Sword
Agreed
>Remove Inferno Force Staff
Agreed
>Remove Combat Knife
Agreed
>Remove Pickaxe
Agreed or nerf all their damage by 40%
>Remove Bully Club
Agreed
>Remove Arbites Shock Maul
Nerf damage by 30%
>Remove Bleed
Nerf it by making % chance to happen
>Remove Cooldown Reduction (Tactical Awareness, Invocation of Death, Martyr's Purpose, Pious Cut-Throat, Go Again!, Bruiser, Psykinetic's Aura, Seer's Presence, Warp Siphon, Malocator, Targeted Brutality, Curios)
Agreed, remove all CDR, it's genuinely cancerous dogshit which shouldn't exist at all.

>>532015304
>

>>532014203
>Also doesnt the energized special attack state just rends armor naturally or why does it do so much damage already?
It does, but rending doesn't improve your cleave. It gives you extra cleave too, but not enough to cleave carapace.
With brutal momentum you can kill 5 poxies with 1 hit, and with sunder you can hit multple maulers/crushers like the other anon said. Normally you would want sunder, but I guess there's one case where brutal momentum is good - when you have "rampaging enemies" modifier and no psyker in group. I've seen many times how people struggle with rampaging poxies, because other weapons with brutal momentum don't do enough damage to oneshot them.

>>532016482
the heavy part only applies to damage bonus

>>532014248
Mk2 my beloved.

>>532015930
>you need melee speed from the tree to make it bearable to use
Yeah, if you're bad. Power sword attacks just fast enough to kill or stagger most relevant threats, and has just enough reach to be able to deal with ragers. If in doubt, just shout. Yes, the +25% melee attack speed you can get out of Weapons Specialist are extremely nice, but that pigeonholes you into Weapons Specialist. It's obviously the optimal way to use the power sword, but it's such a powerful weapon that it does not need it at all. If you struggle to use it without, you suck.

>>532016482
Sunder's cleave always applies. Only the damage increase is exclusive to charged heavy attacks. The mark with perfectly horizontal heavies has certain applications too, because it makes clearing dense mixed hordes easier, especially in combination with the +30% weak spot damage that every veteran build should take. This is situational. The other mark has a better push attack, and both marks are better with lights, but don't discount the heavies.

>>532015304
>tfw none of these suggestions touch anything I use
i support your ideas

>>532018708
anything is viable if you play malice tranon

>>532015304
Sorry, we need to let people complete Havoc 40 or they'll feel left out and then stop paying- I mean stop playing.

>>532018708
What do you use?

>>532018284
>>532016913
>>532017069
Aah okay, so im using the second sword that has wide sweeps which should benefit from sunder than. Okay good thank you

>>532015304
reasonable suggestions, all of them are gamebreaking crutches

Am I wrong to assume that any Arbites build running Dog is useless? Lone-Wolf seems better in every single way

>>532019601
"Not the absolute peak of meta" doesn't make something useless, anon. Dogbeetus is still a grotesquely overpowered monster than can solo aurics with ease, provided you aren't dumb enough to get netted.

>>532019601
no clue about havoc but dog is pretty good if you find yourself hiding behind your shield since it just annihilates everything that aggros you. the damage reduction on loner is worhtless because you are tanky already, swing speed is alright but nothing major. a mine every 60 or so seconds is amazing but if i had to choose between a mine or a dog id take the dog. im not a havoc player tho

>>532018284
it barely has any stagger

>>532019839
>>532020048
Maybe I just over-value grenade regeneration. I just love always having grenades for when I need them. Arbites nade just feels good to use

>>532020416
i understand that, its an s tier skill on vet but if vet had a dog it would be an s++ tier skill

>>532019601
if you don't use the dog, what did you pay $12 for? a new shotgun? lol

>>532019601
no, dog is the same as it was on release when everyone said it was overpowered
I mean if you build it the same way - nobody was taking bleed on release
Voltaic mandibles never scaled with dog bonuses so broken EO doesn't affect it
Meanwhile broken EO actually affects lone wolf because you can't get reduced cd, so it's weaker now than it was on release.
Both are nice in their own way, dog is good when you move fast and it follows you and causes havoc around you by tripping enemies all the time and will reduce the number of elites you have to fight and immediately release you from mutant's grab. It helps with dogs too but not as effective. It's like moving a difficulty slider.
Infinite shock mines are good and will help in clutch situation and at objectives, but they are very unwieldy and it's hard to deploy them when you're swarmed. That's why many lone wolf users take less powerful weapons like suppression shield. And with dog you can be aggressive with rashad.
In my ideal party composition I want both. Personally I want to play rashad dog arbites, and I would like to have a lone wolf shock mines teammate.

trauma or purg my fellow psyggers? I really really like purg but the CC from trauma just seems hard to pass up in havocs

>>532015304
you forgot to remove flamethrower

>>532021827
if you're actually good at psyker (you're probably not) trauma with vent is better in havocs

>>532022106
I play with randoms so cuck bubble is mandatory

>>532019601
>Am I wrong to assume that any Arbites build running Dog is useless?
Not entirely. The dog is useless if you don't take at least one of Voltaic Mandibles or Razor-Jaw Augment. The dog is much less useful if you don't take Canine Morale. Many arbites are extreme fucking shitters that just take some utter garbage build from gameslantern that brings an unbuffed dog for some completely retarded reason. Many run Remote Detonation which is also kinda shit. A good dog build is useful, however.
>Lone-Wolf seems better in every single way
Then you haven't looked at the tree, and what the dog does. The dog provides more DR than Lone Wolf to you AND everyone else, toughness regen to you AND everyone else. The damage increase from lone wolf is additive with your other 50% that every good build has, so they're inconsequential. The dog more than makes up for the 10% attack speed you lose.
Lone Wolf is ONLY uniquely useful for the infinite grenades.
Shock mines are overpowered, and better than the dog in most ways that are relevant, especially with a competent team that will remove disablers if you fuck up dodging them.
Impact grenades are surprisingly good, and have greater damage potential than the dog, but are much, much less safe.

If you need infinite shock mines, your team is bad and you should reconsider your life choices. Dog can run shock mines too, it's just that you only get two. This is usually enough to bail you out of extremely bad situations, like getting a res off.
Dog can quickly dispatch many disablers, home in on awkward to shoot snipers, has your back while doing objectives, etc., all without consuming ammo. In havoc, Go Get 'Em! between its increased leash distance, and targeting trash shooters actually being useful, makes the dog a half-decent ranged killer.

>>532022257
>playing supportively around your team
nta but
ive found the best contribution you can provide for your team is to kill everything before your team has to fight it
IF theyre bad, then the less damage they take the less likely they are to die
IF theyre good, then you will all be doing something similar and havocs end up being this giant slaughterfest of nonstop combat and progression

>>532019601
Yes, dog is way better than lone wolf. It provides a shitload of toughness, on top of just being the dog that watches your back from specials, stunlocks buffed up maulers, stunlocks everything and after a good mission shoves a burster in your face.

>>532022652
that philosophy might work on lower difficulties where efficient teamwork is less relevant, psygger is not a good terminator, ogryn and arby have far more carry potential

>>532019601
it really isnt
>that one talent that just grants passive TGH gen and res on kill for the entire team
incredible, all you have to do is bonk an enemy thats pounced, or let the dog go instagib a sniper/bomber/trapper
>shocking mandible thing
every tick of shock staggers/generates stagger on crushers and bulwarks
>bleed and shock
really adds up when youre trying to DPS a boss down
>dog is brainbleed but good
swap to single dog-ping and just ping a long range threat while you mow down a melee range problem

>>532022420
>In havoc, Go Get 'Em! between its increased leash distance, and targeting trash shooters actually being useful, makes the dog a half-decent ranged killer.
I agree with everything else but both targeting keystones are garbage and why people think dog is bad. You waste a talent point and make your dog fuck off and do some irrelevant shit when it should be knotting a mauler that sneaks behind you.

>>532022919
Both targeting keystones are bad, but Go Get 'Em! has utility when your dog kills enemies behind walls.
I agree that keeping it close is better, also because the 5% toughness regen exists, but knotting enemies behind you isn't much of a selling point if you're good at the game.

>>532022919
this, skipping the middle keystones is the real big brain play

>>532019601
I rarely ever need to use grenades. They're only useful to salvage fuckups and rescue teammates. And we get 2 of them. And there are grenades all over the place. Especially if you play with psykers and zealots who usually bring knives.
Meanwhile the dog is active the whole mission. Staggering and pinning enemies pretty consistently.

>>532022849
yeah but ive had a better time being supported by flame spam/bolt spam than i have dude who sits behind a bubble, they also knew how to push and take cover
people dont know how to take cover/sidestep shootas
and all that said that leaves you with 2 options
>sit through a slow slog with 3 shitters
>ignore that shit and just burn through and lose anyways, or when you actually play with good people, do well
because good people are leaving your ass behind if youre overly defensive

>>532023034
>killing enemies behind walls
the fact that this is never relevant for any class outside of cute shit with a vet and a plasma gun, or shenanigans involving a brain burst, should tell you all you need to know about the usefulness of this talent
>oh no a trapper
take a good angle and mark it
>oh no a gunner
behind a wall isnt going to shoot you anyways so its not an issue at the moment

>>532023164
there are also people who know how to use the bubble you know, it's a very strong ability

>real level mod
>special spawn notification mod
>auto complete auspex puzzle mod
>enemy HP bar mod
>spidey sense mod

oh yeah it's game time
>automatic fire for semi-auto weapons mod
>

>>532023561
im not saying it isnt
but im also saying its wasted on that dumb fuck ogryn player that always takes the most damage

>>532023164
>flame spam/bolt spam than i have dude who sits behind a bubble
not mutually exclusive. I always play bubble flamer in h40 because teammates are often too scared to push. So I use the bubble to push ahead. I'm basically controlling lemmings. Teammates are attracted to my bubble like moth to a flame, and that's how we progress.

>>532023040
>this, skipping the middle keystones is the real big brain play
It's what you should do.
I started doing that like day 2 since I couldn't feel any sort of fucking difference between the dog having unleashed brutality or Go Get 'Em.

>>532023653
that's cool but also you sacrifice shriek that would let you kill hordes in finite time

>>532023610
>>automatic fire for semi-auto weapons mod
this is why retards with a bolt pistol are always out of ammo

>>532023653
thats fine, but i was more addressing anon saying they do it in low havocs to help their team
10 minutes of failure with shitlords is better than 50 minutes of watching people trying to stat pad

personally, im greatful for arbs and gryns. If i see at least one of them ill follow them to the end of the world. So many round saved by just those tanky dudes doing their best to res me. I dont even know why i play veteran at this point but somehow for whatever god forsaken reason it clicks with me. I hate the grenades, the stealth has a crazy high cooldown, the skills and toughness regen are highly situational granted those situations appear often enough but i like it more if things are consistent and predicatable. Vet awakens some form of gambling habit inside of me i cannot explain. Im not even sure if when everyone said tomorrow that arb is underpowered and stopped using him entirely i would probably still be vet main. I cannot explain. I always die first. i need at least 3 resses per round but noone ever complains or shits on me or whatever. they kinda just roll with me being dead weight what a game

arbites are space cops?

>>532024504
vets have always been the king of this
>someone is in trouble
run the fuck in, VoC, and unnet your homie
the vets i get
>just VoC like they shoot, which is at anything that moves

>>532024917
Voice is amazing im going back to it one of those days. Im trying stealth for 2 days now. Equally as easy to revive, easier to do objectives, no direct group benefit unfrotunately but really good oh shit button at times at least if its off cd

Why can there never be co-operation in my co-operative shooter?
>use local protector for aggro and toughness
>make a single mistake to dodge a disabler, team leaves me to die and wipes
>hold on to loyal protector in case two disablers spawn and attack simultaneously in an undodgeable way
>retards eat shit because they can't survive more than three groaners attacking them
>either way I'm effectively playing single player
I think I'm actually starting to get mad that fatshark hasn't released a proper solo mode with customizable bots. They are better players than most randos.

>>532024832
>/copg/

>>532025734
The strange balance I've found if I think I need to carry
>Run ahead of the team if you hear bursters because good Lord these people
>Wade into a horde if you can survive it
>Sprint back to the team to res
>Solo bosses because 1% of people have played Vermintide 2
Most damage, most boss damage, most res's
They can't ask more of me

>>532026080
I already do all of these, but if I ever make a single mistake with dodging a trapper, I'm basically guaranteed to die because nobody notices or knows that un-netting takes a second, or is generally too retarded, leading to a wipe because of course it does.
I don't mind having to carry worse players, but when a SINGLE fuck-up, no matter when or where, immediately leads to a wipe, I stop having fun.

whats you guys opinion on the coop shooter starship trooper extinction or what its called. has like 400 people playing it right now. I was thinking about buying it but not sure yet.

>>532026348
Right, people actually tunnel vision or
God forbid
>They didn't max assist speed
I had randos voiping about my build yesterday and comments I heard were
"He goes assist speed"
"He maxed out gunner resist" as if this isn't the standard

>>532026585
dead
forgotten

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>532026638
>"He goes assist speed"
>"He maxed out gunner resist"
kek makes you wonder what the fuck they're running since those are two of the better perks to grab

>>532026348
It's where I have the most fun though
Only tragedy is Vermintide 2's last stand music was actually hype

>>532024832
more like space copaganda
>>532026585
dead
they botched the launch and now the thing is on life support because it has a myriad of issues the devs seemingly have no intention to remedy

>>532026585
Was fun for like a week when it was the viral game, but then the novelty wore off and it got infested with chinks. The sole appeal was massive team sizes full of people getting into character and screaming in chat, but you can't do that when most of the team is babbling in mandarin (if you can even get a full team anymore, which is tough considering that 400 players equates to, like, 25 full servers total globally).

>9800x3d, 3090, 64GB memory, SSD, 45 FPS at 1440p on low stress settings
This sucks.

>>532026895
Gunner resist is the second best perk on almost all builds though. You can cope about sliding all you want, you will eventually get caught in a corner, or do an objective, or whatever, and get pelted by gunners. Or have a green or aids infested reaper magdump you in melee with nothing you can do to stop it, and no weapon to kill it fast enough before it deletes you if you don't have resist. +5% toughness doesn't really help you here, and it's not like they're mutually exclusive.

>>532027707
Why are you acting like I was saying otherwise?

>ohhhh you need faster assists, ohhhhh more gunner resist
Imagine not blockmaxxing while running as much stamina. Couldn't be me...

>>532027858
I must've misunderstood then, my bad. /coopg/ has plenty of retarded opinions, and shunning gunner resistance is a very common one.

>>532028035
Very true

>>532027902
It just takes one enraged gunner to ruin my anus
People need to realize on that havoc you either melee them to death or you finish them off, but don't fucking shoot at them and engage them then allow them to fuck your team up

Why are there no psyker specialist enemies?

>>532028345
Yeah I'm just memeing a bit, I invariably slap gunner resist on all my trinkets because sooner or later someone WILL trigger a shooter pack and then carry on swatting poxniggers without a care in the world.
I do always utilize block efficiency boost though, and I find that both stamina regen and sprint efficiency are more useful than assist speed unless my teammates are so bad that they spend more time downed than up, in which case assist speed STILL isn't terribly useful as keeping retards like that alive doesn't really do much for the team in the first place

>>532028841
Stamina and related stats are among the best stats if you're a good player, and stamina curios are technically optimal if you're constantly playing ideal without a single mistake. I doubt it's ever bad. But more than 1 stamina curio is thoroughly unnecessary on most builds, and more than 3 stamina related stats on curios are also often not all that good anymore.
Revive speed is a bit of a meme, but it depends on the build. 1 revive speed perk reaches the necessary break point to revive someone before stunned enemies have a chance to attack you, with veteran shout and zealot chorus. I haven't tested break points with arbitrator flashbang or BTL knockdown, but it seems to take more than 1. Unsure if it's even worth it to run 2 when you can just run shock mines and take 2 block efficiency instead.

>no Epstein list
>no sloptide update
I am ready to embrace chaos

>>532028648
I'm good dog

does it not bother anyone that you're playing as the villains in darktide? the characters dont seem to realize they are the bad guys.

>>532026895
>>532027707
Tell me about Assist speed? Is it just a meme for carrying shitters? Or is there anything to it? I usualy just grab 2XGunner and 1X sniper resist. But I am considering dropping sniper since I rarely get hit by them anymore. Still hurts like hell if they catch me flat-footed though

>>532030046
You didn't read the post.
>1 revive speed perk reaches the necessary break point to revive someone before stunned enemies have a chance to attack you, with veteran shout and zealot chorus.
This is the main argument in favor of it. If you aren't taking it to hit specific break points, it's a meme stat and you're ruining your build.

>>532028648
Implications are too damning, I don’t think they’re expecially common in general in universe, let alone enough that they could be fielded as a enemy specialist type in a horde game

>>532029929
bad bait

>>532030196
>hur dur bait
the imperium is literally THE evil faction dude. did the skulls everywhere not tip you off? do you need some more hints?

>>532030123
Thanks bro. I was just curious. Getting players up is usually not a problem as long as I can drop a grenade at their feet first.

What about Stamina? It's just more dodges/blocks right? I usually just run 3 Toughness Curious with ability CD then the aforementioned resistances, third slot Is whatever I feel like I guess. I usually play some sort of support-build so I prioritize spamming the fuck out of my abilities so even the biggest retard can keep fighting

>>532030345
>There are skulls so it's evil
Macabre is not evil

>>532030646
Don't feed the retard please

>>532030528
>Dodges
No
>Blocks
Yes
Most importantly
>Block and hold down the attack button to transition from shove to shove attack
And this is what will determine whether or not you die in a horde, is if you run out of stamina to do your CC attack

CHARGE YOUR SPECIAL FUCKING FASTER YOU GOD DAMN RETARD

>>532028648
A chaos aligned Psyker that haven't been eaten by demons or exploded himself would be to powerful for us to even hope to contend with.

>>532029929
the part that really tipped me off that we were the bad guys is the crafting system

>>532030814
I see thanks bro. I do make good use of Push-attacks, and some of them are honestly just fantastic. The two-handed swords for both relic and Psyker has that amazing Poke/Riposte and it's great for getting some nice weakspot hits in.

I did play loads of VT 1/2 back in the day so pushing is not foreign to me.

>>532030904
wut estebus gun do, charge his brainburst on the vet lmao while getting sandwhiched by 3 ogryns?

>>532031092
That and weapons like knife and duelling sabre "need" stamina to make them exponentially better
Although sabre is op so make of that what you will

>>532030904
oh yeah?
>stabs ya

>>532031315
>sabre
Been avoiding that weapon until it's getting nerfed in the near future I think. Besides it's such a boring weapon compared to everything else, so even if OP I don't like the idea of using it

On top of that players using those weapons have left an extremely bad impression on me. And if they use Stealth skills as well, I'll almost just consider the game lost to begin with. Not saying stealth is bad, It's supposedly extremely strong if used proper. But I haven't seen anyone use it like that yet. All I see is some faggot going invisible so he can go die alone in some corner

>>532030845
Playing the Thunder Hammer, I take it?

>>532031704
Yeah some objectives are mandatory if you decide you can't trust your team to do it

>>532019601
You're trolling if you bring the dog to Havocs. There is no world where 10 seconds pounced killing one Mauler is useful in the slightest.

>>532032292
There is where you pin the stun resistant rager down
Even more so if you're being pressured by bulwarks
All these attacks also by passstun immunity to grant forceful stacks

>>532030528
Toughness is usually the best stat.
Health prevents you from dying to that retard who keeps blowing up bursters in your face. It's also more stat efficient at +21% health over just +17% toughness, and you can still run +5% toughness perks. Unfortunately there are very few actual builds that directly synergize with heavy health investment. Most builds want to run 1 health curio at most, with health zealots kind of being the only exception.
Running 3 health curios and 1x corruption res is a forbidden quickplay psyker tech, as it allows you to tank a decent number of poxbursters that your retards WILL shoot in your face. Depending on your build, you don't strictly need toughness more than health, when playing with griefing droolers.
Stamina curios are very strong, but mostly depend on your weapon choice. Some weapons have terrible stamina efficiency, others have next to no base stamina. Think dueling sword, especially on classes with no base stamina like psyker who only gets 2 without any buffs.

CDR is the best perk, gunner resist likely the best defensive one overall, toughness the standard filler if you don't know what else to put. Resistance stacks multiplicatively and thus has diminishing returns, but it's still worth to bring 3x gunner. Sniper resist is a crutch and you shouldn't need it, but it's not even that bad on ogryn. Block efficiency can save your life. Stamina regen is extremely good for getting around, and gets you more use than sprint efficiency. Running all three stamina perks is also good.
1x bomber resist has the niche of letting you stand in fart clouds with chorus active and still have net positive toughness. It also prevents you from eating shit to flame puddles. It can be worth using, especially in havoc where +5% toughness barely helps you anymore. Similarly, corruption resist has some value in havoc, especially on health builds.

>>532031335
*POOF*
>It's an illusion
>Someone's behind you
heh nothing personal kid
>vaporizes you

>poxwalker lunges at you and merges inside your hitbox, forcing you to miss while it can still wail on you
shit game

>>532031964
veteran power sword

>>532032451
>Unfortunately there are very few actual builds that directly synergize with heavy health investment.
True grit.

>>532032650
Reminds me of melee range enemies in helldiver's, although that was more a parallax issue

>>532032745
You named one, I don't think that invalidates anons statement as it's not like they said theres NO builds

>>532032696
If I were to change it
>Sp attack hurls a shmaul-esque swing which allows x amount of powered followups

>>532032926
I misread it as him saying that there are none.

>>532032451
>Health prevents you from dying to that retard who keeps blowing up bursters in your face

Holy shit this happened multiple times to me yesterday. The worst offender was some faggot shoot the burster just as I was about to push it. The burster was all alone even, the faggot just wanted to be a cunt.

Anyways, I appreciate the detailed rundown! Just finished leveling all the classes to 30. So I feel like I am getting the hang of it. I can comfortably run damnation and carry on everyone but Psyker so far. Their squishy-ness leaves very little room for mistakes, and I feel like I am getting giga fucked due to my team never ever watching my back whenever I start dealing with all the gunners the refuse to shoot. I stopped running the bubble build due being left to fend for myself inside of the bubble even when it's in an advantageous position. I've had much more success running a melee build on the Psyker and just outright killing everything before it becomes a problem. Scryer's Gaze is pretty fun and I absolutely love using the Blaze-Great sword and the relic blade for Zealot, so that particular build fits my playstyle better when running with pugs on the Psyker

>>532030646
Bodied him
>>532030186
Pretty much
Iirc Chaos psykers are like, Thousand Sons CSMs and stuff, there’s not much middle or lower ground for them

>>532033242
Well in both y'all's defense health seems like an afterthought in this game

>>532032745
True Grit synergizes with health, but taking health on an arbitrator isn't actually good. I would never take more than 1 health curio.

>>532033364
>I am getting giga fucked due to my team never ever watching my back
Said every carry ever
If you can carry you can watch your own back
You ain't carrying until youve successfully blocked the forbidden skavenslave

>>532033726
I get what your saying, And I don't really disagree with you. But when charging up staff attacks and blasting whole waves, I really wish that just once I would see some gigachad slam the fucker creeping up on me.

>forbidden skavenslave
Don't fucking remind me. I swear to god that the director would manifest them inside your asshole at certain intervals

>>532028648
You know daemonhosts? Those are the psykers, that's what happens to them in a chaos rebellion. Like the other guy said, a psyker that can keep his shit together when chaos is all around like it is in Tertium is more of an enemy you'd give to a squad of space marines

>>532025301
>no direct group benefit unfrotunately
it does suppress on reveal, make of that what you will
>>532034037
>I swear to god that the director would manifest them inside your asshole at certain intervals
iirc it spawned in shared blindspots

I wouldn't say that health doesn't benefit any builds. Both health and toughness benefit all builds. You're simply choosing which defense you want to prioritize.

In my experience, raising toughness is more useful against ranged enemies since they (at least I believe) subtract a specific number of toughness from you when they land hits, so raising the toughness you have (and the toughness you regain through percentage gains in turn) lets you tank more ranged attacks. However, raising toughness doesn't have too much of an effect against melee enemies since toughness bleedthrough works on a percentage, so if you're regenerating toughness as a percentage and losing health through bleedthrough as a percentage, raising your toughness pool as a much lesser effect against melee enemies.

Melee is usually where you're at when things have gone horribly wrong in a game, and when that's the biggest area where raising your health pool benefits you. There are plenty of ways to get toughness back and even ways to go over your cap on toughness, but health is something you have very little sway over outside of medical items. Every build can benefit from extending their failure point, even if they don't directly benefit from talent interactions with increased health.

>>532033364
>The burster was all alone even, the faggot just wanted to be a cunt.
Hanlon's razor disagrees.
>Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Never underestimate the average darktide player's depths of stupidity. Most players are RETARDED AS FUCK.

>and I feel like I am getting giga fucked due to my team never ever watching my back whenever I start dealing with all the gunners the refuse to shoot.
Run bubble (or even double shields), and fully maxed out brain burst, including empowered psionics. Before any autists come screeching about muh meme build, yes, I know, it's not optimal, but it's about the best you can do when playing with actual real life lobotomites. It doesn't matter if your retards will refuse to stand inside it, it buys YOU a lot of safety from the 20 shooters your retards leave standing.
Unless you're married to your melee build, I also recommend you run knife on staff builds. Flame and ground pound are the only worthwhile staves anyway, and those two don't need a melee weapon, so you can just use a run speed stat stick with stamina and block on it. Shock staff unfortunately needs force GS for horde clear and is thus slow as molasses without scrier's, and bowling balls are so painfully slow they're basically a meme at this point.

>>532035280
The thing about toughness vs health is that toughness allows you to play much more aggressively when things are going according to plan, and a good player can generally avoid getting caught with their pants down. With gunner resist and enough toughness regen, you can run out in the open and tank gunners without getting punished. In fact, with a lot of toughness regen (think arbitrator), you will likely outregenerate any incoming melee chip anyway. Additionally, melee chip is completely preventable by blocking and pushing.

This mostly applies to generic auric missions, of course, where even if your teammates have piss toughness, you can never expect them to actually use their abilities, because they're more likely to forget, and/or die before they use it even once. In a way, because gold toughness increases your total toughness, having high base toughness with percentage regen does kinda-sorta make gold toughness more effective, but I'd personally argue that it only really matters for the health gate it provides. This applies to havoc, where running around with base 45 toughness, or whatever zealot ends up after the debuffs, is actually fine, because you're constantly at around 100-175 from piss toughness anyway. +17% on your pitiful base don't do anything here, so running a health build is pretty natural.

Depending on the class, it's also a matter of whether it's even worth it. Yes, you get more EHP out of health on, say, ogryn, but I think if you need more than 300 health, you're a bad player. Ogryn also appreciates the toughness because gunners and shooters acutally hurt with your xboxhueg hitbox.
Health can of course be nice on psyker for tanking bursters your retards grief you with, but it's only optimal under the assumption you're playing with actual retards.
1 health 1 stam 1 toughness is obviously good on every class, but most builds usually prefer 2-3 toughness.

>3 veterans
>2 stealth fags, one KARKIN GOOD SHOOTA
>not a single one of them shoots the snipers
emperor preserve me

>>532035280
wrong
you take flat damage to toughness and regenerate toughness as percentage
you take less toughness damage, less damage leaks to your hp, and your toughness will faster bounce back to 100% so you will take no health damage at all more often

>>532036372
>The thing ... according to plan
Not usually. Usually, it won't matter because you're going to duck under or otherwise circumvent the overwhelming majority of ranged attacks and quickly tie up ranged enemies in melee. Giving yourself 30 more toughness or whatever won't significantly effect this.
>and a good player can generally avoid getting caught with their pants down
Good players still make mistakes. Even if you can solo your way to the end of the mission, mistakes can happen, especially when you have 3 teammates who aren't good at the game. Then, the likelihood of you needing some extra health to allow for mistakes becomes more important.
>With gunner resist ... without getting punished
You should not be doing this in the first place, so you're building to enable bad habits.
>In fact, ... outregenerate any incoming melee chip anyway.
You do this without toughnessmaxxing on Arby anyway. I run 1 stam, 1 health, and 1 toughness curio, and it's laughable how weak ranged enemies are against that class even then. This has more to do with talent strength than toughness curios.
>Additionally, melee chip is completely preventable by blocking and pushing.
How you oscillate from being the kind of player who apparently builds to willingly tank lots of ranged attacks and then act like you can realistically never take melee chip is interesting. The point I was making though was that increasing toughness doesn't benefit melee combat much, not that you should be taking lots of melee chip damage. Melee chip damage will still happen to most players though, especially when things are dicey or when you need to act aggressively to quickly prevent a bad situation from worsening.

cont...

>>532019601
Wrong and retarded

>>532033084
I would have two suggestions
first is sword switches into the power state after x amount of kills or swings
or
sword get invuln time when doing special counting as dodging or blocking

>>532037369
Health curios do not actually "give you room for more mistakes", the situations where they'd give you more than a few microseconds against gunners are incredibly rare. The only things in the game that actually give room for mistakes are Until Death and True Grit.

>skiltarius can manage peril for you on staves
Guess ill play psyker for a bit

>>532036372
...cont
>having high base toughness with percentage regen does kinda-sorta make gold toughness more effective
Explain. You can't regenerate gold toughness, and if max toughness pool affects piss toughness in any way, I was unaware of it.
>17% on your pitiful base don't do anything here, so running a health build is pretty natural.
Agreed
>Yes, you get more EHP out of health on, say, ogryn, but I think if you need more than 300 health, you're a bad player. Ogryn also appreciates the toughness because gunners and shooters acutally hurt with your xboxhueg hitbox.
That's a good point. Ogryn is the main exception though. All the human classes benefit nicely from both.
>Health can of course be nice on psyker for tanking bursters your retards grief you with, but it's only optimal under the assumption you're playing with actual retards.
It's more helpful than for just that, and I would argue against building with helpful teammates in mind since that's often not the case outside of high havocs. Anyway, the point I was trying to make wasn't about which was optimal. I was simply trying to argue that both health and toughness had benefits for all classes (or at least all non-Ogryn classes given your point). It's up to the individual to decide which they feel more benefit from.

>>532038020
how is this fucking dogshit cheater mod always worse than i think it is

I'd play vet if the grenades weren't so fucking scuffed.

>>532037875
Thor debunked this.

>>532038061
>You can't regenerate gold toughness
i wish i lived in your world

>>532037054
>you take flat damage to toughness
Yes, that's what I said. Melee damage bleedthrough, however, is calculated based on the percentage of remaining toughness you have, not the flat value.
I didn't say toughness increases have no value to melee combat. I said they had far less value than they do against ranged enemies. And ranged enemies are generally easy to play around now that gunners don't instantly stunlock you.

>>532037875
>the situations where they'd give you more than a few microseconds against gunners are incredibly rare
Why are you so fixated on gunners? In 99% of instances, gunners are not the main reason a team is wiping. Ranged enemies are very easy to play around in the vast majority of scenarios. As I said before, health becomes most helpful when the game is spiraling out of control, which is usually the circumstance where I find curio bonuses to actually begin to matter. Yes, being able to take a bit more damage when there are map hazards, bosses, elites, and a horde around you can make the difference in going down or not. But it's obviously not going to afford you some crazy cushion.
>The only things in the game that actually give room for mistakes are Until Death and True Grit.
Those are obviously more beneficial. Unfortunately, we can't get curios with talents on them.

>>532038243
Doesn't it only regenerate from other gold toughness sources, not from regular toughness generation?

>>532038490
Because gunners instantly breaking your toughness is the only situation where HP is more effective. In every other situation you have more effective HP if you use your talents to regenerate your increased toughness instead.

>>532038698
>retard blows up poxburster in your face
>you're psyker
>this happens twice
>you are now dead

>>532038490
no, you are wrong, have a nice day

>>532038639
no it regenerates with your normal toughness regen shit, if that's how it worked it would be like a fifth of as good as it is. (and is how i think it should be fixed)

>>532038805
My apologies, I assumed we were speaking about Havocs, not the Baby's Big Day Out difficulty.

Going through the masteries right now on my vet and I gotta say the double barrel is really fun when you get that double shot crit that kills like 10 shotgunners in one blast. Outside of that the double barrel feels pretty useless but still fun!

>>532038698
>Because gunners instantly breaking your toughness is the only situation where HP is more effective
That's bullshit, and you know it, but whatever you say, anon. Like I've already said, I wasn't arguing over which was the better curio choice. I was arguing that raising health was still beneficial for all classes, even if they didn't have talents that interacted with it. You going on about gunners like they're somehow still a huge threat after being neutered doesn't change that. They're only scary now in Havocs, and almost every team brings piss or bubble there anyway.

>>532035280
Thanks bwo! I'll take it all into consideration. But for now I am sort of married to the Melee build. Maybe it's stupid, but I love Soulblaze on crit and then spreading it on kill. It feels good, and it seems to have decent toughness generation mid-fight. It does also force me to play way more proactive against ranged mobs. It's been working quite decently it seems to me. But I'll be making a new build using your recommendations and see how it works out

>>532038817
>>532038824
Oh. I thought I tested that ages ago and found it to not be the case. Just went and double checked. Yeah that's ridiculous, thanks

>>532030345
The God Emperor serves humanity in death, why shouldn't you or literally everyone else in the imperium?

>>532038105
>nooo you have to press your lmb 3000 times per round manually or else you are a cheater!
lmao
the mod does nothing but not let you overload on normals which are dogshit anyway

so the weapon mastery rework thing, how did Fatshark calculate their mastery from your previous gameplay before rework was implemented?
somehow my least used weapon (knife) was at rank 28 when I started playing again, while things like chainsword, power maul at 7 which I used frequently

>>532013513 (OP)
>pic
holy shit lol
it's Sexis Minoris himself!

>>532039007
i just feel bad when there's a sniper and i have to cry for teammates to help

>>532040127
It was based on how many blessings you harvested for a weapon type

poxwalkers are more dangerous than gunners

>>532041098
thanks.
well better than starting from zero

>>532034497
Daemonhosts aren’t psykers though, or at least you don’t need someone to be one to make ones

so what if I like rats?

>suspects in Ready or Not can kill themselves
Damn

>>532034497
>a psyker that can keep his shit together when chaos is all around like it is in Tertium is more of an enemy you'd give to a squad of space marines
Bros, are we Space Marine-tier?

>>532042583
we're better, we're ogryn tier

>>532042449
rats are cool, nothing wrong with that

>>532043095
I was about to complain how none of the free Ogryn cosmetics have full waist armor like this chunk of a unit, but I just realized that all the Veteran ones also have the abdomen unarmored.

>>532044372
>unarmored
Are you sure that whatever ambiguous cloth we're wearing isn't space-kevlar?

I was doing doggo shock bosses penance in the mortis trials and game aborted me back to menu and I lost all progress for the penance.
Amazing stuff truely.

>>532044372
>>532044653
well given how unarmoured enemies are tankier than flak enemies it might just be better that we're dressed like this

>>532044653
Well, most of the free cosmetics have an inquisitorial Rosarius on them anyway, so the armor matters for fuck-all. We're canonically running around with better versions of the shields Captains have.

>Rumbler Ogryn who barely uses melee also has a damage to chat mod
Top fucking kek. It's like I'm really playing WoW again

>be playing Killing Floor 2
>get a eyeful of fat stalker ass
Imagine capturing one haha

Can anyone toss me a range-focused arbiter build?

>>532045142
>no damage taken to chat
>no times i picked your sorry ass off the mat chat
full of themselves and unironically the wrong reason we dont have green circles

>>532047172
>ranged focus
there is none, all of your weapons are better the more ammo you have, and you wont have ammo because youll want to burn it all
and the kicker is, so does 95% of the playerbase
but the shotpistol is wildly good

>>532047172
Just the standard build except you take all the ammo and ranged damage related talents, but you'll probably have to miss out on dog talents making it much less useful. I suppose you could take Terminus Warrant over EO until EO is fixed, then it will be the superior choice.

>>532047697
>but you'll probably have to miss out on dog talents making it much less useful
even if you just ping the occasional close ranged enemy or let your dog do its thing the stuns and TGH generaation alone save a ton of ammo

The fucking sand maps keep crashing

>>532047697
you can take forceful and targets acquired with drive them back, push the air (which procs drive them back) and then shoot your shotgun or shotpistol with 125% cleave lol

which retarded streamer was it that told people binding ping to attack was a solid idea

>>532039767
you are a fraud
do not ever talk down to anyone in this general ever because whatever difficulty you are playing at you do not deserve to be there

>>532048258
Probably some retard playing veteran.

>>532047615
>>532047697
I've been playing with terminus warrant (since EO is bugged) and mainly meleeing with the club and shield, occasionaly swapping to the boltgun to mag dump, rinse and repeat.
It's extremely satisfying, but I'd like to focus more on the guns, haven't tried the shotpistol yet.

>>532048451
boltgun imo is not a "core ranged weapon" unless you play vet

>>532048396
lol, good one, enjoy your dead peripherals and wrists

>>532050241
ain't no way niggas rly be playin with all this bullshit on the screen fr

>>532050241
>OMG IF I CANT SEE HOW MANY DODGES I HAVE LEFT HOW WILL I PLAY THE GAAAAAAAME
Modfags are so pathetic

>>532048258
I think RealAsianRobot, but that was over a year ago

>>532042583
Our Psyker could probably spell trouble for an Astartes if all the conditions are right. Otherwise we just get domed by a bolter round or get our head caved in before we can react.
>>532044974
I don’t think that’s the case ‘toughness’ is just game mechanics otherwise we’d see a similar effect to what they have too

Aurics really do be looking like this with the influx

What is the appeal of the Arbites as a class
Besides the Dredd/Robocop fit I mean
I haven't played Darkshite for 12 months straight, is this just another case where it's overtuned as fuck to sucker in purchases? Like what do they actually excel at besides just having tons of shitty crutches

>>532051259
Having the dog and a shotgun that doesn't suck is the appeal for me

>>532051259
They excel at being small ogryns with human guns and a dog

>>532051259
>Dredd
Enough for me really

>>532051259
>Like what do they actually excel at
Nothing unique.
Arbites is just a small ogryn and has a dog and better weapons than ogryn.

I know nobody gives a shit about cosmetics but you aren't missing anything there either, it's either cosmetics you have to pay for or using the boring penance cosmetics which are just a recolors of one another.

>>532051827
I was gonna say
>except pickaxes
But they are only really good on ogryns because they can survive having such slow weapons

I need some help. Im running the power sword on veteran.
I want to take yellow nodes for the straight 15 percent melee damage
I dont want to take red nodes because they lack uptime and im not using the shout all that much, more like oh shit panic button so the uptime gets even lower.
I would take the green node but i dont need crit chance so the 3 nodes before it have no value for me.
Im also thinking about taking the defensive pink nodes instead but i dont really NEED them, just like more a qol if anything and least priority
I took rending because its like 15-20 percent increase to damage against carpace enemies which is alright but i still two shot crushers to the head so not really needed which is flex point nr 4.

Does my reasoning make sense? What would you do?

Ps: not pictured but i dont want the node that gives better ammo and medic boxes because i actually have to pick and deploy them myself which is another gamble with randoms.

>>532052147
>because i actually have to pick and deploy them myself
no you don't.

>>532052084
>>except pickaxes
Arbites shockmaul is better than any of the pickaxes anyway.
You can 2 shot crushers with it and the attack speed is retarded on it.

>>532052307
no clue, When i had the thing equipped i didnt regen the violet health bar when someone else dropped it. Also i rarely use my pistol, just for ranged enemies and i have already tons of grenades which makes the ammo box redundant anyway

>>532027707
Reaper magdumping you, you're dead either way.

>>532052147
What ranged weapon are you using?

>>532052327
Maybe. I think ogryns would use the maul but few arbites would choose to use the pickaxes if they could

>>532052627
revolver, i posted the pic earlier in the thread>>532014574
oneshots nearly everything that is ranged, for everything else the power sword is more than sufficient

>>532052964
I wouldn't bother with the revolver without weapon specialist

>>532040365
Middle keystone lets you get one lucky pellet like you're a Tarkov scav that one shots snipers.

>>532053116
it gets intense crit chance via blessings and oneshots snipers and other ranged enemies no problem so im not really "bothering" with it, its more like, it has its use and its good at what it does. Im asking about the talent tree anyway so lets just focus on that

>>532052147
Why not focused fire and redirect fire? If you just keep tagging redirect fire will stack up to 8 and give you and your team a 12% damage boost that's active 99% of the time.
Pretty sure if you tag at 4 stacks and then again at 4 stacks it stacks to 8 correctly so waiting for all 8 stacks to build up before tagging isn't an issue anymore.

>>532053442
>so lets just focus on that
Don't start handing out orders, fucking mongoloid

Just realized the black psyker voice has a line about drowning that's hilarious

>>532053696
>IMMA DROWNIN IN DA WARP AND MY BLACK ASS CAN'T SWIM
What did he mean by this?

>>532027453
5700x3d and otherwise same and i get 70fps in a horde at 4k

>>532053659
>throws a tantrum over words
nice dialogue you paper crane
>>532053607
assuming there are enough elites to tag, they live long enough and redirect fire stacks that might work but then again its competing against straight 15 percent more damage which has no conditionals and from my experience with aurics, most enemies die before i can tag a second time (auto tag at 5 stacks with dogwistle)
interesting idea

>run away from a poxie at full speed
>somehow still hits you when you're 2 meters away
shit game

>whale vostrayan helbore had an issue where the ironsight obscured the target
>they fixed it a hotfix ago
>its back
i deserve everything i have coming to me

>>532056118
Post screenshots

>>532056221
im not gonna post screenshots
it just feels different
although now that i mention it i have changed the FOV recently

>>532054718
12% damage for you and everyone in your team to all sources of damage. I don't know what auric density is like since I haven't played anything but h40 in months.

>>532056446
>im not gonna post screenshots
so I guess your pc is too shitty to run on high settings and you're too embarassed to show the bug.
Buy a nex computer instead of cosmetics, faggot.

>>532056579
fuck you sperg
if i get more money on spending it on your mother at the local corner so she can afford your asspain meds
faggot

>>532056791
Thanks for proving me right. Now quit yapping with your third worlder problems.

>>532056489
can you confirm or deny if rending applies to the damage resist dudes in havocs
specifically the enraged ones and the half dead super ones

Why can't I create blacker niggers? Where my ebony warriors at?

>>532056862
fine here you go
the fucking center is just under the pip, not at it

>>532056489
its value is probably the best in a good team, i cant rely on my team, at all in aurics hence why it already fails at the coherency part most of the times. Ill keep it in mind tho if ill ever go with something more organized. Thank you for the tip

>>532057146
Ty for the aquilas, piggy, here's your slop

also do we know the official reason for the bayonet having wild stagger
like whats the point of the stat breakdown if other weapons cant stagger ragers like the bayonet

>>532058107
Leave the helbore alone ffs you maniac.

>>532058219
well ive always been a longtime user of it
i remember when it had like triple its current attack speed and enough DPS to kill a daemonhost in the time it took to aggro +~5 seconds
i personally am annoyed FS nerfed it at all
but it still makes no sense how it always gets touched in patches considering NO ONE uses it

>>532058447
And if you were using a melee weapon with brutal momentum then it would work on the bayonet too and you could stab and drag through hordes and do crazy damage to multiple enemies

>>532058896
would be nice if helbore had perks and blessings to benefit the stabby side of things

>>532024832
They're more like space ATF and the local enforcers are normal space cops

>>532059734
Yeah. The gauntlet gets it but you never actually want those blessings

>>532057038
we can’t play as daemons we’re supposed to fight them

>>532024832
They're mainly in charge of ensuring planetary governors pay their tithe of conscripts, weapons, food, equipment, unsanctioned psykers etc.
They don't give a shit about more common crime which is left to Enforcers, unless it affects the tithe. Like if a local mafia bribes the Enforcers and extorts the population, they don't care, but if the local mafia steals equipment meant for the tithe to arm themselves, the Arbites will come over to lay the jackboot on them.

>>532052147
you just want my build
weapon specialist is the only keystone that's not dogshit anyway, and all keystone modifiers are poorly designed so taking them is a waste of points
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f70881c-c308-4c4e-b552-d230d4acc74e/struggling-to-live-2
it leans towards melee but you can't have both on veteran cause veteran tree sucks
focus target effect is good but replenishing stacks is painfully slow, it was designed around malice where you fight one enemy every 20 seconds
you don't need rending on powersword

turn the helbore into a weapon that occupies both slots
special stab equips your melee weapon bayonet, which can block and push and has its own perks and blessings

>>532062910
>weapon specialist is the only keystone that's not dogshit anyway
Focus Target is good. You're smoking crack

>>532058107
lets see you get stabbed by bayonet and ignore it

>>532063000
>how to make vet great again
>just make vet have 1 weapon with doubly contributing blessings
can i get a based

>>532063147
oh by all means im the last person to underestimate the virtues of a pointy stick
but it doesnt change the fact that the stagger values on the damage breakdowns make no sense

>>532063000
That would be cool. Shame it'll never happen

>>532062910
that's an Auric build right? you don't bring that shit to havoc?

>>532063645
I absolutely bring that shit to havoc and outperform arbites with it (mostly because arbites players are shit but hey, it is what it is)

>>532063760
Sure buddy, you're the best player in the world!

:^)

Let's see your other builds

Oh no no no no no

>>532064227
are you a fan now

>>532062910
You really don't know what you're talking about.

>>532065350
And you really don't play vet so your opinion is irrelevant

Ok but I think you stink.

That assumption is correct

I want the havoc helmet but I don't want to play havoc. What do?

>>532067070
Play havoc

>>532067070
stop wanting the havoc helmet

>>532062910
I agree focus target triggers maybe once per pack, im just taking it because there is literally nothing else that gives me toughness whcih i havent already taken or which isnt behind shitty nodes (top right) and because i can see yellow targets easier than red.

My issue is i dont get specialist. Im currently running bolter again because it does everything i need it to do so reloading isnt really an issue. also the nodes leading up to specialist are all dogshit, even the 10 percent melee is completely unneeded as other anons have stated because sword already swings fast.

I absolutely agree veteran tree sucks for the most part.

Btw question to anyone who can answer. Is it normal that i need to double tap reload on bolter pistol? Every other weapon reloads just fine but bolter pistol doesnt trigger on the first typ. The only reason why i might go back to revolver again...

>>532067917
It's very easy to cancel the bolt pistol reload by accidentally sprinting or switching weapons because of the animation. I keep doing it all the fucking time and it feels like i'm reloading all mission

>>532068715
>november 2024
I swear to God I'll never buy a Fatshark game again.

>>532062910
>focus target effect is good but replenishing stacks is painfully slow, it was designed around malice where you fight one enemy every 20 seconds
In havoc you have a lot of bosses that need to be killed quickly and 12% damage boost for your entire team to all sources of damage (bleed, fire, soulblaze) is good.

>>532023610
is there really a mod that automatically solves those puzzles for you? cause everytime i'm on a mission and have to scan trash cans, i have to roll a fucking Will saving throw in my head to not alt+f4. i've quit a lot of in-progress missions over that tedious bullshit. lol

>>532069821
and then you have 25% from ogryn taunt 15% from soften them up 15% from arbites target the weak 40-80% from skullcrusher 10% from enfeeble and suddenly it's not that much

>its a guy is a out of position, doesnt make it to the elevator, and now we all have to shimmy out to kill the beast of nurgle before we all die episode
fuck these stat padding retards
they should all have their own faggot toxic queue

>>532070963
Why do you think only autistic retarded shitters like DotNL or Telopots want solo mode?

>>532071149
i have no idea who they are, but probably that they should stick to doom or some single player game

>>532070610
32% damage boost is a lot.
Redirect fire is 12% for your entire team with basically 100% uptime in havoc. You'll be constantly tagging stuff so even if you only tag a gunner with 3 stacks that'll be a 24% damage boost there already.

Why the k*rk are we discussing v*teran talents when Arbites exist??

>>532068528
is that a bolt pistol only quirk or something? Ive never noticed this with any other weapon..

>>532071692
There's no reason to discuss arbite talents, you could assign your points using a magic 8 ball and still get a strong build.

>>532071758
It's a user error. It only looks and sounds like you are done reloading, but you probably need to finish the magazine whack animation

>>532071893
If arbites make veterans superfluous and arbites talents don't need discussing, then we don't need any discussing at all

>>532062617
Are you sure they wouldn’t do something like I get it wouldn’t be their priority but they should probably stop that snowballing before it starts affecting the tithe too

>>532067917
>10 percent melee is completely unneeded as other anons have stated because sword already swings fast.
Do you realize it's not just how fast you swing but also how fast you activate it? Did you notice that you slow down to a halt when you do it? What do you think is the hardest encounter in havoc? It's the twins. How do you think you break their shields and stun them? It's by swinging your weapon as fast as you can. How do you do it? You guessed it.

>>532072345
It's been established already that this guy doesn't play havoc

focus target question.
It says when the target dies, allies in coherency get toughness and stamina. So what coherency do they mean. The coherency of the target or my personal coherency?
So for example i kill s sniper with focus target active on the other end of the map, will i and allies in my coherency get toughness or will noone get anything?
What happens if an ally kills the sniper, will allies in HIS coherency get toughness or in MY?

>>532072505
correct
>>532072345
>10% for 3 completely useless nodes
I mean if you think it makes or breaks your build sure use it, ive been completely fine the last 20 or so matches with just the basic speed.

The arbites will soon get power axes

Let that sink in

>>532072567
literally everyone gets it most of the time, even you
>let a dog pounce in meat grinder
>get kill
>see active buff with icon

I pee in my sink

>>532072738
>25% crit chance
>10% crit chance and 25% finesse damage
>25 toughness
>useless
it's the strongest chain in the entire tree

>>532072828
the don't even get chain axes lmao why would you think they get power axes

>>532072896
I used to do that when i lived in a bachelor apartment

>>532073020
Trust the plan

Anyone here knows which colors should i use to paint miniatures like the moebian 6th loyalist paint scheme?

>>532073218
Probably navy blue armor pieces with a paler blue color for the fatigues

when are you guys going to stop seething about arbites?

>>532073558
when are you going to stop seething about people talking about darktide in the darktide thread

>>532073558
I AM the arbites

>>532072868
I dont need crit on power sword, especially unreliable crit like on perfect dodge.
base crit is like 15 crit chance in total, 20 if you take the skill point 25 if you take the weapon inherent trait. Its still too low and unreliable and absolutely unneeded when you can two shot everything but crusher and mauler.
swing speed is nice but im not paying 4 points to get it sorry

just use the duelling sword ffs

>>532074098
This
But the arbites maul or shield or rashad

>>532073941
*with desperado it reaches up to 25 base
*you can two shot crushers and maulers with shove and attack

Give arbites heavy sword
NOW

>>532075313
Why the k*ark would you want the heavy sword on the arbites?

>>532075710
I like sword
I like heavy sword

>>532075848
Nah nah nah. This ain't it, chief

Heavy sword enjoyers be like
>i sure do love killing soft targets and nothing else

>>532076752
Heavy sword bros, our response??

>>532076752
Hell yeah!

>>532076826
I have no response... he... he's right...

Crusher enjoyers be like
>i sure do love getting my balls crushed

>>532077142
Hell yeah!

>>532077142
Hell yeah!

>>532076752
>NOOO I NEED TO KILL CRUSHERS INSTANTLY CAUSE I CAN'T DODGE OR KITE

>>532077484
You don't want to kill crushers instantly?

Scoreboard bottoms be like >>532077484

>>532077484
Anon, I love the Heavy Sword, but using it when there are like 8 Crushers up is absolute pain. You need a ranged weapon to deal with armor with the HS because it's basically incapable of dealing with them.

Being a contrarian is my personality.

>>532077484
I honestly think It's non issue outside of some modifiers like elite pack modifiers, everyone already brings so many anti armor options that either crushers are dead before I even see them, or I can still reasonably deal with them with a secondary. I won't take it into the melee modifier though because the huge packs just isn't a fun time.

>>532077553
i want to enjoy the video game
>>532077741
>You need a ranged weapon to deal with armor with the HS
No you don't

>>532078021
I once had a fellow copeger bring a heavy sword zealot to melee maelstrom
It was fine because i was playing branx ogryn

>>532078021
ive taken it into a CIVI and top dmg'd (including elite dmg), it's workable if you just Dodge and Kite

>>532078031
>No you don't
Yes, you do. The Heavy Sword is shit at it, and it takes forever to kill Crushers with it. You have to hit Mauler bodies because it's so fucking bad against Carapace.
>inb4 hur dur, you can just dance around Crushers for six months specialing them, so it's technically usable despite achieving like 400 DPS and wasting a bunch of potentially vital time

>>532078208
This never happened btw

>>532078389
desu i was surpised i top dmg'd. I was with two builds that should have outdamaged me into armor but it just goes to show that pub players are retarded and you can carry with suboptimal equipment if you're simply better at the game

>>532078389
You're right, anon is full of shit
Because it was me who did that

>>532078568
>>532078648
Literally never happened btw

>>532024832
yes. though i have no idea what suddenly possessed Owlcat and FatShark to bith add a copaganda character to their games at the same time. Owlcat's is almost worse because it's a black guy whose supposed to be "one of the good ones".

As I said, I love being a contrarian.

>>532078743
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
LIBTARDS ARE SO FUNNY HAHAHAHAHAAA

>>532078870
Disliking cops is not an exclusively liberal character trait.

>copaganda anon is back on about it
kek

>>532079512
It's also a leftard character trait
Until it's time to put innocent people in gulags

>>532079617
He and "people" like him have been completely mindbroken into a state of neurosis

>>532079617
>one post is being "back on about it"

>>532080563
There should be zero posts from leftard scum

you think other people are as...passionate about one or twoshotting things in videogames as you guys?

>>532079512
sure, but screeching about
>copaganda
certainly is

>>532080805
>anon can't argue with facts and needs to resort to fallacy
A tale as old as time

>>532080805
The scoreboard says "No"

Now that the "copaganda" retard is back, get ready for lots of completely idiotic opinions being expressed in a smug way and then a cuntish and condescending response when you dare to disagree with said idiotic opinions

>>532080634
I'm not going to get dragged into politics posting, but I don't identify as a leftist or a liberal. I don't see a meaningful distinction between the two American parties anymore. Conservatives and liberals both want all the same shit, to serve Israel and the 1%. Liberals just also want gun control, abortion, and gays. If you're not invested in the goings-on of the gays or pregnant women, both teams are playing the same kinda ball.

>>532081345
Holy shit literally nobody asked
Get this off-topic posting pedophile tranny out of here

>RNG > crafting posts?
>no, we'll ignore those, that guy clearly just wants attention
>arbites is copaganda posts?
>MMMMM YUMMY YUMMY, SERVE 'EM UP ANON
gamers are less easy to bait than right wingers, a study conducted by /coopg/

>>532081818
>gamers are less easy to bait than right wingers,
Those are the same people

>>532081818
shit is crazy. i posted actual engagement bait a hundred posts ago >>532016771 and got nothing. i said one thing about copaganda and got 10 (You)'s in 10 minutes. cooked thread.

>>532082252
People love dunking on that retard and baiting him into getting off topic

You're all evil for consuming this copaganda slop game.

>>532082468
Yes, and?

Darktide is fucking ogrynganda

Le lex is le lex

>Looking through the Skulls announcements again
>Nothing but slop pretty much
>Last one
>Kino voice is immediately heard - interest piqued
>Animation a little silly at certain points with the setups but otherwise also kino
>Guards and Marines fighting alongside each other - kino
>Orks join in out of nowhere from all the commotion - kino
>Marines all die, Guards left to hold the line with their absurd numbers - kino
>Counter strike successfully fools Orks into attacking each other - kino
>Chaos hinted to return as soon as the (green)tide is turned - kino
>ominous final line - kino
>Big reveal…
>It’s a fucking mobile game
Goddammit. Why does GW always do this shit? The promotional material is always kino for a lot of their games but the end product is nearly always janky cashgrab abandon ware or something. After the success of SM2, is it really that hard for these people to reach out to a triple A company with the proposal for a Warhammer game? Are they worried it’s going to somehow distract people from the tabletop? We are ready for Battlefront 40k…
The trailer btw
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDW-U3E3nA&pp=ygUQd2FyaGFtbWVyIHNrdWxscw%3D%3D

>>532083831
Will this be the third or fourth phone game for 40k shit?

>>532084065
I see at least 18 listed on wikipedia

>>532084242
Holy fuck

>>532083831
Damn. You weren’t kidding. That voice is silky buttery goodness. Fatshark should have got this guy to voice someone in Darktide.

i hate how zealot is relegated to
>cuck support
in alot of party finds

>>532084563
Shut up and pump that relic, supportsissy

>classes in order of sissy-ness
1. Psyker
2. Zealot
3. Veteran
4. Arbites
5. Ogryn

>>532084669
oh i was the boss chonker
im just making a point that i almost did as much boss damage as they did... damage
they had a havoc level of 40 and im convinced on how frequently they went down they got carried

>>532084863
What kind of boss chungus build were you using?

>>532018991
It's funny because 90% of everything in that list is from before Havoc was ever a thing, but go off jeetnald

>>532084847
>ogryn below arbites
slab shield, middle keystone, taunt, "SAH, YES SAH, PROTECTIN' THE LIL' UNS, SAH" messages in chat
nah bro

>>532085057
Ogryn are the only ones with muscles to show

Arbites is copaganda. It is. You don't have to pretend it isn't.

>>532085057
I said "sissy-ness" not "supportedness"

Sissy support goes "i'll help you do it" ogryn support goes "i'll do it myself"

>>532084968
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f70d8e5-7216-4e50-8ca0-dd1216dc0fa2/4anon
i only took nuncio for my team
it wasnt worth taking

>>532085335
Lol wtf is this shit

>>532085546
the way i see it arbeetus is the most broken class out of the box so i might as well spec to kill bosses which most people suck at
>DoT
works on everything
>shockmaul
works on hosts and traitor lieutenant/captains
>shotpistol
chunks bosses without taking damage

>>532085750
>shockmaul
>works on hosts and traitor
Should have put confident strike on it, especially if you're gonna skip force of will based toughness regen
>shotpistol
Instead of bolter for bosses?

>>532086136
>Should have put confident strike on it, especially if you're gonna skip force of will based toughness regen
ive got plenty
>shotpistol
yeah instead of bolter, faster to take out and deflects shots and melee attacks while i shoot the boss unmolested
i can barely notice the damage difference between the two as well
Also the shotshield has the amusing trait of being able to deflect a karnak twin side swipe and take no damage
if you do that with a non-shield weapon you just lose all your TGH

>>532083831
>Counter strike successfully fools Orks into attacking each other - kino
is this really a thing you can do to them…? that’s really funny

>>532086518
they're somewhat jumpy to conclusions
>came from the direction of the other dudes
>well i guess that means them dudez is stabbin us in da back
none of the goals really matter at the end of the day as they just want a good scrap

Me next Thursday

>>532086518
Yes. Sometimes you don’t even need to do anything. If they decide another group of Orks look like they can put up a better fight than you they’ll direct their attention to them instead. The longer a Waaaagh drags on for though the less probable this is iirc since they do get smarter and their infighting becomes less frequent.

>>532086518
Yeah, turns out there's actually a lot of really interesting stuff in Warhammer 40k. You just wouldn't know it playing Darktide because you're not doing much but running up and down dark, rusty corridors getting into gunfights with generic zombie soldiers.

>>532086518
you kill the biggest ork, and then all the other big ork start killing each other to be the biggest ork

>>532086518
>>532087729
Sounds fucking retarded
Thank God for Darktide

I used to look forward to TES 6
But how can i do that after over 2k hours of darktide? The combat is gonna be so fucking boring and lame

>>532083831
Narrator kind of sounds like heinrix

Can't decide between starting a Zealot or Veteran, (played a bit during Beta of both but lost my characters and couldn't decide then, either)

I am a huge fan of knights and loved playing Empire Knight/Grail Knight Kruber in Vermintide. Should I play a Veteran with a power sword build or a Zealot? I basically just have a thing for heavy armor characters and the 'bulwark against darkness' fantasy, but basically all humans in 40k have a sort of crusader paladin vibe so I can't really choose.

>>532085335
oh so you had someone on your team kindly increase bleed stacks on bosses, probably ogryn or someone with bolter/bolt pistol, and the damage was registered to you because that's how bleed damage works
if you have dog bleed your boss damage stat can be ignored

>>532089613
Arbites is by far the best knight class in the game

>>532089613
Hear me out... have you considered a knight... with a dog...?
A medieval cop–if you will. With a hound.

>>532089856
I don't have Arbites at the moment, which would you say is the best runner up

>>532090080
Zealot

>>532090080
If your knight is illiterate and can't use a sword, that might be ogryn

>>532089825
whatever helps you sleep at night saar

>>532088691
It is him lol I thought the same and it was bugging me so I had to check

>>532089613
>basically all humans in 40k have a sort of crusader paladin vibe
thats not even remotely true
most are rank and file peasants

>>532083831
the slightly audible “HOLD DA LINE! THE EMPERA PROTECTS!” when the orks charge them is what really does it for me it’s so so soulful

Skibidi

arbites name - i-finger-paint
dog name - finger

>>532092723
No

>>532092723
>dog name
>finger
i think you fucked up your own joke

>>532092919
explain why not

>>532092934
Think about it, but don't type it here when you get it - let others think about it too

>>532092723
arbites name - i-ass-rape-my-dog
dog name - my-dog

>>532093301
>>532092723
more subtle arbites name jokes please

C-can I get a new psyker staff pls?

>>532093581
what even would it be
doombolt?

>>532093230
This might be some pun on hindi or something.
I'm not that knowledgeable

>>532093559
Arbites name: Bodycam-Off
Dog name: Off

>>532093581
I'd much rather they give the current set unique M1s

>>532093678
Port that elf staff Vermintide that levitates enemies, but as aoe if you charge it and mb puts a bleed on them. Bleeding piñatas
>>532093823
That would be pretty good too, they probably wanted to give each, but ended up finishing only the flame one by the game release

>>532093581
>>532093678
>Trueshot Staff
Fires powerful bolts that home in on elites and specials

what do these havoc missions give outside of generic resources

>>532093678
A staff with physics like the rumbler grenade but it doesn't explode, it just drops a big kinetic thing that hurts

>>532094039
A boatload of fun!

>>532094267
>>532093678
Oh also, a microwave staff that makes enemies explode from the inside. It'll be channeled, but the gimmick is that the damage it does is distributed between each target, with a minimum amount that can kill poxies ok. So it sucks at mixed hordes but excels at single target and can kill big hordes and weed out poxies still

>>532094039
Challenge

>>532094267
With bowling ball physics and sound effects

>>532094039
a sense of accomplishment and superiority

>>532094459
>Oh also, a microwave staff that makes enemies explode from the inside
i was thinking more shit that already exists in the lore and has made its way to games
nothing is in darktide that isnt already represented in rogue trader for instance
that said I dont think biomancy is represented in the game

>>532095423
I'll be honest king I don't know shit about what psykers can do but microwaves seemed plausible and would be cool

>>532014016
lol is this a real voice line

>>532095598
>microwaves seemed plausible and would be cool
yeah you basically described a biomancy torture technique
unironically not a staff thing i think

I haven't played Vermintide 2 in awhile, is the old bot improvements mod just not working at all? Bots used to tag enemies and other things with it, not seeing it anymore.

>>532095686
They could probably sidestep that by just making it a glove or some shit

>>532095686
None of the things psykers do in darktide are staff things, they're just psyker powers.
The staves are just so you can fit that concept into the same mold as all the other classes that need to equip weapons.

>>532095913
im pretty sure lightning is

soon I have my havoc cosmetics and then I never have to play that dogshit mode ever again

If you see a player called EyeSea, make sure to grief his game. He gets uppity and will complain in the chat for the entire match if you don't bring brittleness on your blessings. Yes, really.

>4 days till KF3 release
>barely on the top 50 sellers
oof this gonna bomb

>>532098419
It's bombing so hard that even gaming youtubers won't spare it more then 1 video

>>532098534
>those two dudes releasing KF3 videos daily
depressing

>>532098394
Did you seriously bring a bully club with skullcrusher and confident strike instead of pairing skullcrusher with thunderous like you are supposed to do?

>>532098617
I was Arbitrator with Shield and Maul, which doesn't even HAVE Thunderous to begin with.

>>532098693
Wait, wait, wait. So you saw that the team was missing brittleness and you didn't instantly switch to your thunderous arbites maul??

>cozy aurics
>stealth knife zealot joins
>is always 3 rooms ahead
>eats a crusher overhead, gets his ass saved, doesnt say thanks
>gets trappered and analgaped, saved, doesnt say thanks
>still rushes like a bitch
>end of match has a mod that posts damage numbers in chat where he has max damage
god dayum stealth zealot bitches have evolved their niggerness

>>532099815
Okay but why did you just post cropped furry child porn?

playin vermintide 2 right now. Can I open the chests at a low level? Does it make any difference in power? I have about 40 to open

When did you realize swedes didn't add chainaxe to arbites because it deals 2 hits per swing and was too powerful with all the shit arbites gets per staggering hit?

>>532100830
>playin vermintide 2 right now
Are you just not aware that darktide exists or...?

>>532099934

>>532101242
I realized it as soon as i saw the skill tree

>>532100830
the only thing that matters is that you open it for the character that you want gear for
>reds
are independent of your current drop level and thats really what you should be wanting

>>532102660
i see, thanks

>>532100830
Open everything until you get 300 items, trinkets and stuff are universal and shared between characters

>>532101242
>Zealot
Should have dual wield weapons to set it apart
>Veteran
Should push the vanilla angle, ditch that awful leftmost keystone and make the ability not dog shit
>Doesn't load the gun
>Doesn't contribute to reload
And don't get me started on the aura
>1%, or 1 ammo for the plasma gun
And then psyker is unironically in a good spot, hampered by its dog shit player base
And ogryn and arbites are in a bad place in the sense that they barely punish you for being bad
To this day I think FS's best design implementation is
>OG vet

>best design
>og vet
>when camo expert was a thing
>when you could stack tdr to absurd levels with minimal input
>when vet had 1 viable build

why play vet when arby exists?

>>532106321
I like weapon specialist + DB

>>532105691
When you activated volley fire and just ran through the map hosing everything down with your braced autogun rambo style

>>532106475
I still do this. It's just less effective nowadays due to increased bulwark and crusher population.

>>532104236
>psyker is unironically in a good spot
Agreed. I only have 2 main complaints.
1) Assail is locked out of psychinetics aura
2) Empowered Psionics ain't worth it

>darktide gets all the cutie streamers
common dt W

>>532106769
You don't active volley fire because it no longer exists

>>532093581
>>532093678
>reverse voidblast staff (void vacuum) that sucks enemies inwards instead of spreading them out
>psi-shotgun staff
>a staff that can block ranged fire, which empowers it for a powerful retaliation attack
>new fire staff that creates soulblaze aoe pits on the ground instead of shooting fire forward
>a staff that actually has good Monstrosity damage for once, to cover the psyker's biggest weakness.
idk just some ideas.

>>532107410
FOOL! It does exist.
I just happen to use the upgraded version with a new name.

>>532107763
>>a staff that actually has good Monstrosity damage for once, to cover the psyker's biggest weakness.
your fire staff sibling?

>>532107959

>>532108131
it's ok don't be sad

>>532108156
Too late. I am already tying the noose

>>532107101
Now that I think about it, I've probably seen 300+ random anime girls, idols and waifus come and go throughout the years. With very few retaining any sort of internet relevancy. 99% of them disappearing into obscurity. More meme pictures I made 10 years ago still being posted here and there, then random anime girls people obsessed over lol

>>532108315
Off-topic
Keep it coop related or keep it to yourself

any Psyker's can fill me on the changes since talent rework?
Is headburst the bread and butter of Psyker for Boss/Armored Fag ?
soulburn yes/no?
Bubble or Scream?
why are the flying daggers so homosexual?
what weapons if I want to see yellow numbers on my screen with scrier's gaze

>>532108110
i want something with less aoe but more single target
>bit lightning staff?
is gay. I think it needs a buff.

>>532108453
>Is headburst the bread and butter of Psyker for Boss/Armored Fag ?
No, your melee is.

>>532108656
>lightning staff?
been ages since I used that mostly switch between trauma/purgatus/voidstrike

>>532108784
exactly. It's so underwhelming.

>>532108383
Oh sorry my bad, your post confused me, I thought I'm on /vt/ for a second haha
Back to coop games then!

>>532108453
>soulburn yes/no?
soulblaze? yes if you want to. But you don't have to.
>Bubble or Scream or Scriers?
Bubble for defense.
Scream and scriers for offense.
>why are the flying daggers so homosexual?
they dominate enemy shooters and have light horde clear
>what weapons if I want to see yellow numbers on my screen with scrier's gaze
Voidblast with Soulblaze on crit

give me mealstorm CIVI

>>532109625
whats wrong boi? too weak for havocs?

>>532109880
already done my 40 for the week. I just want the funny melee spam without the gay rituals and modifiers

V-veteran... w-weapo-...

>the game is fine bro
>arbites is fine bro
https://youtu.be/MtVOL9MP--c

>>532111758
buy an ad, faggot

>>532111628
chain shovel soon

>>532112152
I'm poor so no.

Is there a way to make the arbites dog tagging a single click?
Or does it have to be double click always?

>>532113095
yeah it's in the settings

>>532113328
Found it, thank you.

surey they will fix the broken dialogues/banter soon right? right?

>"Tyranids are especially popular among female players."
>look at profiles
>trans women

>>532114219
Ah shit wrong thread lol

>>532029390
The fart tornados were pure ludokino.

>>532114214
I'm le tired, mb in September. Also can't promise I won't break something in the process. Being Swedish game developer is hard, man.

>>532029390
Will we ever get a boss like Battlefield Countrestrike in Darktide?

>>532107101
God I wish. Most of the darktide vtubers seem to be derranged furfags, males and gblthdmi+ "people"

OI CLANKY!

>>532115013
thank Big E she never got any more new dialogue, probably dropped too from the cast

>play arbites
>me unga
>team bunga
>some veteran shitter who somehow can't stay alive despite having VoC
>another arbites who also keeps doing
>start with an ogryn with a pickaxe but he leaves
>ogryn gets replaced with a zealot that uses an autogun and DS
>retard spends literally like a 1 minute AFK after he spawns in, even going down due 1 dreg buiser
>missions ends when we are on the final stretch for the water silo
>5 snipers pin us down I try to dodge and snipe them with my shotgun and dog
>go down myself because i'm becoming more bunga more I play with these tards
>tards proceed to try revive me when there are 5 fucking snipers aiming and shooting at them
I hate these subhuman mongoloids.

>>532115013
Where is the fucking mod to MUTE HER

>>532116083
Whinge whinge whinge

>>532109074
I luv Pox Horses

>incompetent white adjucator woman calls you worthless trash
...
>gay and posh interrogator stresses over his time being wasted if the player dies
...
>screeching zoomer-coded pirate girl jews you
...
>toaster-fucker is obsessed about turning you into a lobotomized cyborg slave
Haha, so funny!
>old toaster-fucker granny suggest that she should have you executed over nothing
Oh yes, please.... step on me.... hnnnggghhh...
>black pilot kinda throwing slight banter
UOOOHH, I AM BEING OPPRESSED, WHY IS SHE SO MEAN!?!?

>>532119507
surely there's a more productive way to bump the thread

>>532116083
A BIG
BELLY
LAF

>>532116083
I hope nobody makes one so you can suffer.

an arbiter is talking, listen and learn

>>532120912
Fight or answer to meeeeeeee

>go into suicidal mission
>Morrow tells you, that's the easy job
>he gets to be chatty with nobility
gotta admire the man, he would rather fight in Armageddon war than chat with powdered wigs

>>532121217
尊崇神皇

>>532120778
i'm perfectly capable of making it for him, but i'm not going to because it's funnier this way

>>532123505
based

>youtube
>hurr durr every weapon is viable!
>take out shovel, 15 charged hits to kill a crusher
>leave a dislike and "dont reccomend channel"
>go back to power sword and 2 shot them

imagine if powersord
but
heat bar

imagine duling sord
but
fingerless gloves meter

Imagine powersword
but
arbites power maul

I just want my bret long sword for DT

>>532124910
imagined, endoresed, liked, subscribed, hit that bell button, joined, upvoted and (you) unironically.

>>532124434
>CRUSHERS could be here

>>532124434
damn I didn't know time to kill crushers was the only relevant thing melee weapons have

>>532124434
yeah i also dont know how to dodge or move backwards, gotta instakill those super dangerous crushers or else they'll wipe the whole team

>>532125140
>data interference reverberated his entire torrent, making it pulsate even as the 20 platsteel med stim circulated though his powerful thick ogryn veins

>>532125468
heavy sword anon is that you?

>>532124434
keep in mind there are zero penalties to losing other than wasted time, unless you are playing havoc and your assignment rank is not 40. youtubers will be havoc 40 and run whatever they want until they eventually win after so many tries, and claim 'they can do it'.

>>532126268
Feels more like a challange run

>>532126556
what does this image mean

>>532126734
it mean arbitors have erectile dysfunction

I'm not sure about the usefulness of this node all it does is like 2–5 burn damage per tick. Am I missing something?

>>532126797
why?

>>532126734
sexus minoris not happening

>>532117949
You ever eat Pox Horse? Tasty.

god bless Fatshark for bringing back revival via shouting missed my boy Mercenary

do the non arby shock mauls electrocute enemies on hit? I see the effect but they don't take damage

>>532126891
Because i feel like making fun of arbitor players

>>532127136
Don't.

>>532127204
you will get back into fight because I SHOUTED SO

>>532126875
It's only good on a rumbler spam build that uses BLO.

>>532108453
Psyker has a few can openers
>Electro staff
>Duelling sabre
>Deimos force sword (personally the most interesting one here)
>Voidblast

>dumb retard bunga teammate is annoying me
>he goes down
>wait until a flamer spews flames over his downed body
>rez him in the flames so he instantly full dies upon completion

>>532126875
Me neither. Seems like a waste of point, maybe it makes sense with grenade boxes

i leik poxclikc!

>>532129327
*stealthes*
Not my problem

>>532129327
got any more stories of you failing in baby difficulty?

>>532129629
Bro took that one personally

>>532129327
i do this to staff psyker players

>3 retardos in h40 die
>I clutch and rescue them
>they die in the same fucking room somehow even though I'm killing every single gunner and disabler
>last man standing again
>inevitably wipe because now their spawn point is 500 miles away
I don't know how some people reach 40 man they do not deserve this rank

>u
>b
w

>>532129970
is this loss?

>>532129862
worth mentioning this was starting room of magistrati oubliette
first guy to die was a lvl60 arbitrator, lvl fucking 946 ogryn (vored) and lvl 540 psyker died at the same time to a Burgle

>>532130098
*unzipp dick*
*pee in your mouth*
is this piss?

>>532130274
Rajesh, your porn addiction is showing again.

>>532130443
*keep pissing*
My god you're a thirsty little bitch.

>>532129862
I've been trying to climb and experienced this even with H40 'teammates' in low 30s, repeatedly every mission the entire weekend
I'm tired, boss.

>instantly ends your havoc run

>>532130727
Just back up.

>>532130646
if you're trying to climb only LFG or join easy maps and modifiers that are nearly impossible to lose. and preferably have a rumbler ogryn

>>532130727
AYAYAYA EL MALDITO CAPITAN DEL CHAOS ARRIBA ARRIBA

>>532097445
No, plenty of people just shoot lightning from their hands
>>532099934
Not furry THOUGH
>>532101242
My French guppie wife…

>>532130274
>>532130592
Why are you copying other people's posts?

>>532130727
capitan blast hardcheese

>>532130840
Picking what I join is a privilege I sorely lack
Host my own I shall, do the work of four men or perish I must.

>>532111628
you have the plasma be satisfied with that
>>532114219
>>532114323
what thread was this meant for

>>532107101
Sex with bnnuy girl gamers
>>532108315
It’s true it’s a very over saturated industry at this point most people have no way of getting a foot in
>>532114947
Sad…

>>532130727
>no playar el bettor videogamo
muy maldito

>>532131298
then I recommend you play FOTF Zealot, Ogrynheimer or Arbites.

>>532122164
That's why he's the most high test and bestest character

>532119507
>532120778
lil bro was dying for the (you)

>>532108453
>headburst
Solid emergency sniper and can opener with the activation on other attacks.
>soulburn
You can use it, but never felt it to be a particular game changer.
>Bubble or Scream
Bubble is pretty good tard-assist. Scrier's is really good if you build and play around it. Scream is kinda fun but the knockback isn't that valuable, imo, and you really shouldn't depend on it to save from overloads
>flying daggers
They are alright niche option. Fills gaps nicely if you run double barrel shotgun or something.
>what weapons if I want to see yellow numbers on my screen with scrier's gaze
Vraks Infantry Autogun, Covenant Force Greatsword.

>>532130727
la creatividat del video juego

>>532130727
I think you’re game is bugged dude it seems to be displaying some corrupted archaic nonsense language possibly of chaotic origin best take it in to an Enginseer so they can purify it

>>532129970
Kek

>>532129856
so psyker players

I hate orange, purple is interesting, makes the team focus targets down instead of just blindly killing shit. Orange though is coarse and rough and gets everywhere

>>532130775
>i turn tail and run to a more open area so i dont get digested
>prepare my gun as i see my teammate's HP disapppearing
>turn around to behold the horror as they all ran in to stand in the bile
i feel like it should be obvious that ammo should be reserved for situations like this in havocs, so you can delete the beast of nurgle if you arent in a position to smack the shit out of it

>>532129970
it took me a minute

>>532132586
When I see this shit I instantly regret bringing a bolt pistol. Main reason I started bringing recon lasgun more often.

what you redditors dont get is that half the team doesnt need your shout. orgs and arbs can easily get to full toughness in less than 5 seconds, zealots have their own book or skills on such a low cd its a nothingburger and psykers are mad, they wouldnt play psykers if they needed your golden hp.
YOu are way better off just stealthing 2 times as an o shit button and doing objectives or regroup if you commited the sin of leaving the group for 10 seconds.
also if you are in deep shit shout will give you like 2 more seconds to react or run away. In stealth at least you can throw like 3 grenades and clear the entire room, with the shout? you are looking 1 one nade max before getting overwhelmed.
Sorry shout coop bros but if you need shout you need to build or play better. I will be stealthing

>>532132987
If you don't need shout then you don't need a vet

>>532132802
yeah im not going to say its the BEST boss killer, but damn it sucks in havocs that some people literally have nothing to contribute to an encounter
its like theyre so used to the ONE occasional boss outside of havocs being handled they havent figured out how to adapt their build for flexibiltiy and some actual damn support

>>532132987
to be fair shout has a lower CD

>>532133080
delete the vat class than because shout is mid at best and provides zero value when you need it because if the situation is as bad as it is that you need the extra 50 hp you and your team already fucked up and its better to just lay down and die. In stealth at least you have some functionality like reloading, doing objectives or throwing grenades, with shout, you have nothing

>>532133235
2x stealth on 60 cd is 60/2 = 30 cd

>532133428
>532132987
Yeah, this is coal
Go back to the workshop and come back when your bait is ready

>>532133428
see it like this, if you are getting aggro and cant deal with it for whatever reason, you get a short stun on a 30 cd. So you stunned them you killed like 10 of them what happens next is that everyone stands up and continues to gang up on you. Your entire value was giving yourself 2 seconds and 50 toughness. Again, your team doesnt need it your skill is there to save YOUR ass not your teams and shout does and expetionally bad job at it

>>532132987
>you redditors
gee it's been 3 days already?

>>532132987
>>532133428
can we skip directly to the moment you start insulting americans again and get banned for 3 days?

>>532133428
>he thinks toughness is hp

>>532133428
>extra 50 hp
Take TDR into account as well as how easy you regain toughness and it's a hell of a lot more than 50hp.

>>532134083
>>532134217
ive never been banned from this general, yet..

>>532134334
If you run stealth vet, you should be.

>the most OP ability in the game is bad actually
brand new bait just dropped. This will sustain the general for DAYS

why play stealth vet when you can play stealth zealot? vet is just redundant at this point

>>532134330
its one hit, even with traits, one hit wont save you. Everything that does less damage than 50 comes in numbers of 50 everything that does get past 50 will two or oneshot you or stunlock you. One hit has no value when other skills exist. You are still thinking from a team perspective, which is another rng element in and on its own. You are gambling your own survival for being slightly more useful for classes who dont need you in the first place.

>>532134465
you fear the truth because it goes against your programming.

>>532134518
ogryn taunt is bad and makes the game harder because it means you can't proc duelist and reciprocity

>532134618
Lil bro doesn't understand how gold toughness works

>gold toughness saves you from a deathblow or aggro spikes
biggest cope

>aggro spikes
i know who you are.

>>532132987
have fun in malice i guess

>>532135135
Someone brown, i bet

It's so over...

this is why i called you redditors, you are programmed to think in a very specific way and attack the poster instead of argueing in good faith because a) you dont play vet b) you parrot what your youtuber daddys say to you and c) you dont try out builds or skills but just go for the meta thought up by people who play in premade groups
than you come here and complain why h40 sucks and how you cant get good teammates when in fact you are the teammate who holds everyone back by playing builds not catered to your needs but hey at least you can gang up on someone like the mentally arrested cowards that you are

>>532135541
ok

Bet you don't even take out your melee weapon, stealth vet.

Lorelet here:

How serious is the situation on Atoma, really? After all, we're only fighting a Nurgle cult and a regiment of traitors. There are no Chaos Space Marines, no daemons, and as far as I can tell, the rest of the hive is still operational.

>532135541
Holy shit you're boring

>>532135541
Keep us updated.

>>532135812
he dies to 20 poxwalkers using knife, that's why he got on this stealth kick

>>532135851
>finish mission
>back to ship
>have to do the mission again
it's over
it's so over
nothing we do works. It's hopeless.

>>532135541
nuh, i m man of scince

>>532135851
It's bad. Burgle is a demon and nurgle's crotch rot has spread from the lowest parts to the higher spires.

>>532136009
you are playing broken weapons zealotcuck, you have no business shaming anyone.

>>532136516
dawg im the heavy sword anon

>>532136598
People still use the old Turdtolsky?

>>532136598
and im the power sword anon

>>532136672
Yes.

>>532136672
"People"

>>532135541
>his "needs" is going into stealth and have the team deal with everything
>we are the teammates who hold everyone back

>>532135851
Lore wise darktide is pretty insignificant unless games workshop decides to write a novel about it, and even then the events currently happening on the game are pretty standard "chaos corrupts guardsmen regime" stuff

>>532136920
the shit with brahms and grendyl from this patch is pretty out of the ordinary tho right?

>>532136867
the fuck is that argument. Can say the same about chorus
>hE NeEdS to UsE ChOrus
or any other skills. Yes i need to use skills to get me out of shitty situation who doesnt

>>532136227
man I love baro, so sad it's boring with randos

>>532137132
the difference is stealth actyually has utility to the team and chrous is just a time waster, the zealot should actually be dealing damage not sitting there was his thumb up his ass

>stealth actyually has utility to the team
Thanks for the chuckle.

>532137132
Is this retard for real?

>>532137330
correct the same applies to veteran. Stealth is an amazing skill on both and should be taken over yellow garbage any time of the day, that was my entire rant for the past 1 hour

>>532137316
me too, I haven't played it with randos yet but my friend group got distracted within three sessions last time, feels bad man

>>532137681
I managed to wrangle one for almost the end but vanilla gets boring in the endgame and schedule conflicts quickly arise

>>532137660
stop pretending to be me

>>532137773
>doesnt say anything the entire rant
>spawns when the """discussion""" died down just to affirm what ive been saying the whole time
you are like a long lost uncle who only comes out on family gatherings

>>532138017
Or a long lost stealth vet who only comes out when the fighting is over

I sincerely wish pox gas was a far more common modifier.
Forces and teaches shitters to move on in a timely fashion instead of I'M HELPING in the back with their smite or whatever.

now the stealth vet's samefagging

>>532135317
>no mods
what the fuck

>>532138887
I only use bornready and scoreboard
I probably should get that loadout inspector thing but I couldn't be fucked

>>532138887
that's right, you don't need cheats

>>532138887
>needing cheats
lmao couldn't be me

>>532138617
you make your own adventure :)

>>532138617
kek
>>532138810
You bet, everyone loves it because it spawns a lot of green stims
In my experience it doesn't help the team to group up though, I always stay with the slowest player and more often than not pox gas means the team is permanently split in half by a long gas-filled corridor

>>532139438
>spawns a lot of green stims
If only people knew how to use stims that'd be awesome.

>anon posted fatshark code in thread offering to do havoc with anons
>add them
>friend request stuck in unaccepted limbo
Sadge

I want a tide clone where you play as Orks.

>>532139684
He thinks it will make you steam friends

>>532139845
I've said it once and I'll say it again: DRG as orks where you break shit and salvage bits would be kino

>>532139845
Greentide

>>532139684
Sorry, I'll accept you now. The game does not notify of friend requests at all

>>532137316
friends don't want to play it with me because it's "too hard, much shit to learn and for nerds", feels bad man

>>532140008
really??? Damn sad it's so fun with friends, just make them play medic haha it's so easy

>>532137316
what's baro

>>532140159
big strong hary gay men

>>532140159
barotrauma, basically SPace 13 with better graphics,less functionnalities and mods aren't troons. It's a good friendslop

>>532140159
https://store.steampowered.com/app/602960/Barotrauma/

>>532137316
It's the fucking worst man. Its one of my favorite coop games but timezones make it impossible to play with friends, and on the rare occasion I do get a campaign going with a good turnout on the first night, it almost entirely fucking dies the next scheduled day and only two other people show up. I think I've only ever finished one campaign, and that was before the new ending and content overhaul so I haven't even seen all of the new stuff.

>>532140439
one group tried here but it was full of polaks and they get saying nigger because apparently it's cool. I pray one day I find ajusted people for a modded campaign

>>532140547
Nigger

>>532140547
Czarnuch

>>532140308
>mods aren't troons
nvm then

>>532140547
How long ago was that? So far I rarely ever had a bad experience with copers from the thread, so I might try again at some point if people are willing to do thursday mornings or friday nights (CST)

>>532140547
黑鬼

>>532140770
wtf

>>532140797
probably three months. I just did one session and couldn't bare it for any longer

>stealth le bad
>why
>mr e said so

>>532140547
>they get saying nigger because apparently it's cool
slavgroids are just perpetually stuck in >2010. their memes, language, and gaming habits reflect this well

>>532141126
so what weapons can I use to complete the sneak fag penances faster?
one said something about suppression

>>532141362
play the epic reginald stealth vet combat shotgun build

>>532141327
where is the downside other than being slav?

>>532141438
>chilling for Rajeetnald

>>532141438
I don't watch YouTubers, the only Reginald I've heard of was the bing bing wahoo kind

>>532141327
a trip in Poland is like a trip 10 years into the past I swear those retards can't catch up

>>532141818
now I imagine femboys saying chungus

>>532131825
Jej
>>532136246
They're daemonic beasts not actual daemons doe
>>532135851
Its not that serious, the planet hasn't been overrun or anything yet, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if it lasted a couple more years

>>532137103
In what sense?
>>532138887
Dumb modtranny

>>532142127
>daemonic beasts
Totally not the same.
They're native to the warp, Nurgle's portion of it. They're demons.

>>532142127
I read that as daemonic breasts

>>532141327
>>532141818
I don't know man that sounds better than what we have right now ten years ago might as well be a century

>>532142330
They aren’t. Daemonic beasts and lesser daemons in general might as well be wild animals or the fauna of their respective realms. They have zero agency of their own

>>532141818
That's just all of europe. Poland is actually improving while the former empires are getting worse and poorer every year

>>532143141
>shithole is going great because it's a shithole who can't get any worse

again, what is so fucking great in the year of our lord 2025?

>>532143415
darktide?

>>532143224
Retarded assumption

>>532143479
grim...
grave even!

>>532143415
I got new pants, they're nice

>>532143693
gravedark...

>>532143141
Thanks to EU (germany) money

>>532143862
>anon's pants
>good

>>532143415
darktide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ozcKqF4E8&list=PLMYlYWfK-_6bDx2k9yPfT0fT_3emZsdqf&index=15
this song is pretty good in the year of our lord 2025. It makes me hype

>>532143862
what's their ... *snicker*
DUMP stat anon?

>>532143862
You're not gonna like the jeans stealers update
>>532143909
And by not pursuing policies that actively destroy their economy, energy infrastructure and demographics

>>532143862
>They're cargo pants.

>>532143479
>>532143987
>3 years to reach playable state
grim indeed

>>532143141
>>532144124
wakey wakey! stop dreaming, kowalski, toilets won't clean themselves!

>>532144331
I'm not polish

>>532144161
nuh uh

>>532143479
>>532143987
The 2 updates we've gotten this year have been
>fixing a class that should have never even gotten to the state that it got put in the first place
>a half baked gamemode nobody asked for
>and fatshark then making the mission terminal worse in everyway possible and making progression stupider and more tideus.
And no I don't consider the paid DLC as part of the update.
If you want to consider it, the devs made a class which so horribly overpowered and so full of crutches that the game is piss easy now and it lets all malice shitters who have no business to be in aurics finish mission without ever dying in like less 20 minutes.

I will not pretend that Darktide has had it "good" this year at all.
It's fucking abysmal and only reason why people view any of this as "good" is because the players are so starved for any content that they'll eat up anytype of slop fatshark puts out.

>>532145123
wait why are people who clearly hate this game even posting in its general?

>>532145123
I just said I liked the song doe

>>532145123
Holy shit. What a whiny little bitch

>>532132987
>goes on 4chan to call everyone redditors
is this how you get your sweet catharsis

>>532145267
>being critical of something equals hate
wonders of the universe

>>532145267
If I didn't like Darktide I wouldn't give a shit and I wouldn't be talking about the things which make the game worse.
>>532145329
Bitching about Darktide will continue until Fatshark work ethic improves.

>>532144273
You mean two. It was fine since last year

>>532146467
Darktide was always great

>get a coffee/sugar crash mid game
>dont feel like playing anymore
>die
>team tries to save me 2 get netted
>leave
not my problem

>>532143987
ive been playing since launch
when did you "start" playing

>pick up psyker
>use healing stim on him in elevator
>psyker dies after we step out of the elevator
Sigh

>>532146637
muh progression, muh depth
>talent system was exactly like vermintide ( i still prefer what we have now)
muh RNG, muh BiS
>from WoW stans and fags who never played vermintide, much less darktide, for more than 2 hours
game is too easy, needs more content, needs a story
>from retards who again, never played vermintide/darktide for more than 2 hours, and from acquaintances who couldnt handle anything past malice, all their failure was 100% chocked up to "muh team who doesnt have my back" or "muh unfair game", game is totally easy though
Its true that the game is in a better state than it was 2-3 years ago, but i wish you damn tourists stopped talking like the game wasnt remotely playable 2-3 years ago, as if you know what the fuck you're talking about
there i go responding to jeetposter bait again

it was shit at launch, even worse in Beta
your settings weren't saved when you crashed or exited the game

>>532147750
the fucking beta helmet is still so funny
meanwhile console players got like 40k sharkbucks for free lol

>>532147379
at least you used it correctly
Ill be playing in h30+ and someone takes a wee amount of damage and they just inject themselves
I dont fucking understand this blatant premature equipment usage that everyone has
Vermintide 2 instilled intelligence in people
>beware firing lines or get your fucking head blown off
>cure Mortal Wound or you lose your team mate
simple shit, what the fuck are people doing
>>532147750
they still arent saved if you alt-f4 lmao
that said im super frustrated in the cosmetics menu
its super laggy
recently switched from an nvidia to an AMD card

>>532147852
that's Sweden for you

>>532147530
I have 200+ hours in vermintide 2 and 2.2k + hours in darktide and i played since the launch

>>532147852
not that it matters, their fashionsense is as shit as their performance
>>>532147951
most common planet: cadia
did people seriously pick it because cadia
or muh purple eyes

>>532147951
>most played class veteran
>most killsbbully club
If you showed this to me and said this is from 2025 before arbites release I would believe it

>>532147852
hang on, found another old pic
notice the reactions

>>532148297
The bully club was the best ogryn melee weapon back then

>>532147969
then what are you complaining about
by all accounts they should complain about vermintide 2
i really dont like that talent system, as its some mix of too generic, and too fucking shit in its descriptors
game was on track to be vermintide 2 in space until people complained enough
as far as im concerned the plot has been a nothingburger in this game, and the narrative mode has been a disaster in its implementation (never ever quickplay)
its not "complete" its just different
namely
>everything vet had/ that was great was nerfed to the fucking ground
>zealot 9/10 uses vet's melee arsenal better than vet
>psyker is now the most annoying/tedious class in the game, retardedly anti fun, or retardedly sweaty with everyone in between contributing negatively to the success rate of the mission, no middle ground of average or mediocre performance

>>532148538
>then what are you complaining about
Link the posts where you think i'm complaining

>>532148378
>light sweep into heavy sweep
>light overhead into heavy overhead
executioner sword my beloved
jesus christ why does the eviscerator eat so much ass

>>532148678
>>532144273

>>532148703
The mk 3 was still the better one even back then

>>532148895
and its still awful compared to rasheed and pregutted heavysword
christ arbites is going to be dogshit after they address it huh?

>>532148857
That's not my post

>>532149136
oh im retarded i responded to the post i agreed with

>>532149103
The rashad had bugged hit priorities back then and brutal momentum was much weaker. People were the antax at that point in time

>>532149330
*were using the antax

*rubs his eyeballs*
*sips his stale recaff*
*Deep Sigh*
COMMUNITY
WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS

Does this actually make plasma good for monstrosities? It kinda feels worse than recon lasgun tbdesu, and if I want to do good damage to both specialists and monstrosities and keep VoC, I end up with a tree that's kinda retarded.