Thread 2016065

Oracle the Pug Edition.

Season 10 Info: https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/article/24226702/rally-against-hell-in-season-of-infernal-chaos

Patch Notes: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24222917/diablo-iv-patch-notes

Roadmap: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24189529/the-age-of-hatred-persists-diablo-iv-2025-roadmap

I hate this community fuck y'all make the threads already.

Previous: >>1965248

What happened with /d4g/ getting moved to /vm/ from /vg/? I haven't been to the threads for quite a while.

>>2016068
Even regulars have gotten to the point they will play the season for a week and not bother to visit 4chan to blog about the season. Dadcore gaming has reached its limit on 4chan. So here we are, on /vm/, shitposting away with a community of sub-20 players bound to this bulletin board system we call home.

>>2016071
Man, I suspected things were pretty rough, but I didn't realize they were so dire. It's a shame but I guess it reflects the state D4 has been for a long time. I mean I've been playing it pretty consistently myself (for a week or two like you said) and only really got back into the game this season, which I gotta say is pretty enjoyable even if there's still little to nothing endgame-wise. Chaos rifts are a nice addition to the game and the way they handled hordes is neat (though spires should be thrown out the window imo). And the chaos armor was an interesting spin on itemization.
A good 6/10 content.

Honestly I hope this game will pick itself back up sooner rather than later. From what I read they got Yang (responsible for major changes in D3, particularly in itemization) on board, so if that's any indicator, things might be going in a better direction.

By the way have there been any leaks around here about the expansion?

The PTR blog post - for posterity:

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24242857/the-2-5-0-ptr-what-you-need-to-know

>>2016127
Can't wait for Azmodan's shit talking kek

Season 11 doesn't have seasonal powers, you guys!! It has seasonal GIFTS

>>2016356
Tyrone is giving us dank gear

Tyrone is reserved for Tyrael oomfie, it's Hadriel.

>>2016068
/vg/ moves too fast for diablo 4 unless the thread is bumped every minute it gets pushed off and 404

>>2016356
I was cracking up at that systems guy trying to justify why he switched defensive stats around. Removed armor, added toughness then added armor back and gave it diminishing returns. Didn't sound like he knew why himself.

>>2016358
All these niggas crushing the Tyrone's into sparks this season gonna be wishing for them next season. The devs were like "oh you plebbitors say D4 is too easy and you never die?", they trying to kill you next season.
>sip your one of four potions
>no more multiple damage reduction from X any more (more effective than stacking flat damage reduction with diminishing returns)
>go get ass blasted by evil AI monsters that will wrap you in fire chains and crowd you so you can't move
Casuals will be crying, mark my words. Or we'll see what they do after PTR anyway. Anybody going to play it?

I'm not a pig so no.

Paragon 294 in HC tonight, bros...
I live my life in sanctuary one paragon level at a time... in 45 second increments of pit, plus 18 cumulative seconds of loading screen in between... the Drowned Sea Hag is my ultimate nemesis due to her slow loading-in time/animation...
I grow weary... will I have the strength to continue the fight on the morrow...

Listen to me rant. Here, and the Destiny 2 general, are no joke the last places to actually talk about video games on the site, probably because both threads are filled with dad gamers and oldfags.

You can’t discuss anything on /v/ anymore, it’s filled with degenerates who ritual post and share it on their Discords.
/vg/ is now flooded with SEAnons from /vt/ and gacha games who are legitimately sub 85 IQ.

I’m not even huge fans of Destiny 2 or Diablo IV, I just noticed them the most after going through so many generals and threads. Maybe /vrpg/ and /vr/ also for this bill.

I guess it makes sense though, >>2016071 this post highlights it.

>>2016378
I'll see if I have time. If I do then I'll check the PTR out and have a go at the changes. I'm very curious how they will play out.

Is it just me or did they make rogue extra sweaty?

(i posted this on /vm and thread died) /vg? are we back diabros? new dungeon with leaderboards sounds pretty endgamey but I didn't understand the tempering stuff, everything else seems goodish, or at least it moves the things enough to feel different i hope it takes a good direction. Are they changing the difficulty tiers or did I read that wrong? fuck reddit tho i hate that they take the pole in leading game changes. I will just see it live I guess, when this drops like in November? Also, lore implications on Azmo? Meph is free all evils are free?

>>2016880
Lesser evils are free but Baal and Diablo are in recharge mode like Mephisto was.

>>2016610
Yeah... I've been debating playing the PTR or not, but it was helpful to do it when they made the tempering/MW changes in the first place, just to get a peek at fundamental changes. So I'll probably test it this time too, even if that means deleting a ton of stuff to make room for this massive PTR install, just to play it for 1 day to see all the things and go "oh ok", and then delete it again. Ughhhhh Or maybe I'll get two days' worth so I can lvl a character and see how slow that's gonna be going forward. This game is kind of like a snake eating its tail at this point.
Anyway. On to paragon 296 today I guess...

>>2016912
You can do it anon!

how does execute work? is it worth having it via runeword?

>>2016880
They are at least starting to touch on systems that have been problematic i.e. tempering/masterworking, though it remains to be seen how this'll affect the game longterm. Leaderboards are needed for that compettive aspect that some people are chasing. I like they're bringing back capstones because that was a nice little obstacle to go through before progressing to the next difficulty. Oh, and yeah, Azzy is back so it's a matter of time before Prime Evils will start to pop back up, hopefully. I think the best explanation is what Anon >>2016884 said.

I also wish they added seasonal rebirth and QoL such as profile summaries where we can see our stats (and look up others' profiles too) a'la Diablo 3. I still don't know why these things were missing from the base game in the first place. Even community features in D3 are more fleshed out. What gives?
>>2016912
Still fingers crossed Anon! Keep it up.

>>2016912
Dunno how you do it, fren. Just getting my glyphs to 100 is more than enough pit for me.

Does varshan always have a shield like that or is my damage just shit?

>>2017182
Varshan always has something buggy going on with his barrier. A couple of seasons ago he was unkillable for a while until they fixed it. At least you killed him!

>>2017130
Yeah I hope they didn’t forgot about the one eyed owl and the wingless bat

AAAAAAAAAAAAH

>grinding with a fren and talked up ravens druid
>i said that german beavis has the best lazy 2 button build
>we still grinding and a half hour passes
>"anon, how exactly do you spell 'german beavis'? i'm trying to find his build guide right now. typed it in three different spellings and can't find it anywhere"
kekekek

>>2017708
https://d4builds.gg/builds/e6ca4b40-b46b-47c9-9592-62e5eff707c8/?var=0

>>2017182
He gets super shield when his minions spawn, kill them and it goes away.

>>2017708
KEK

>>2017182
Another bug that Blizzard hasn't bothered to fix yet.

Evadeborn lags the shit out of me, is this normal? Rubberbanding left and right

>>2017130
>I also wish they added seasonal rebirth and QoL such as profile summaries where we can see our stats (and look up others' profiles too) a'la Diablo 3. I still don't know why these things were missing from the base game in the first place. Even community features in D3 are more fleshed out. What gives?
So much this. I can't wrap my head around the idea to not include such basic features that their previous game already had. It's like they were thinking it would be revolutionary to release D4 with LESS functionalities than Diablo 3. This is very malicious and the game really suffers from it.
When I have the time I'll see if there were any threads up on blizz forums about it.

Where's the next expansion going to take us bros?

>mid 2026 for next Diablo 4 expansion
:(

>>2018303
Xiansai

>>2018346
gweilos btfo

>>2018303
My guess is Dreadlands but it's only because we haven't been there so far (I think). But I'd like to see Skovos, personally.

>>2018348
Cute femwizards everywhere

>>2018343
It's a shame, true. Honestly, I'd rather have them release it mid next year and see a finished content than wait another 4 seasons for fixes because they were rushing it. Still, the latter is very much a possibility but at least later date guarantees higher quality.
>>2016122
>By the way have there been any leaks around here about the expansion?
The only thing that we know is that a new class will be a 'wanderer' *tee hee*. I think there's a good chance it will be a crusader/paladin or something like pic related. If they don't bring that class there will be riots.

>>2018385
Add the spinning hammer skill from chaos powers to this

>>2018303
I'd really like to revisit Westmarch but thats just me. As diablo books reader I'm mad they to this day they haven't done anything with Ureh. That was even teased for d3 for crying out loud.

>>2018211
Yeah that happens. It's too annoying for me to play further this season.

>>2018385
It's going to be a paladin but a different "exotic" name, and it will probably share some crossover non-paladin things to make it "original and exciting and totally all brand-new look how innovative we are". But whatever it is, it will be OP at the launch of it and 100% everyone is going to play it for at least that season.

>>2018392
Couldn't find the right image anywhere. If you've got any you can post it here and I'll add it and make a new version.

>>2017361
what will you do once you hit 300?

>>2018598
First, I will flex my 100%/100% achievement list.
Second, I will touch that mythical object called grass that I keep hearing about.
Then I will install the PTR and test that mess out on Tuesday.
Then after a couple of days of that, I will create the thorniest thorns barb and sit in the pvp zone to wreck these PKers in HC that have been ganking the mentally-disabled all season, for the lulz.
I just hit paragon298 today, so only 2 paragon bars of blue to fill up from here on out let's gooooooo

>>2018496
It'll have to be paladin-like, of course. And they need to do both genders so it'll be a crusader with paladin skill set perhaps? I don't think paladins had women in their ranks so unless they plan to retcon that than it's crus or something like >>2018385 . But I'm also a bit afraid of their "take" on the class and how "original" they're gonna make it. We need something classic. I really wouldn't made a mix of crusader's and paladin's skills, just brought to modern engine. And yeah, he's going to be OP, but at least there will be some competition for spiritborn.

>>2018609
>Then after a couple of days of that, I will create the thorniest thorns barb and sit in the pvp zone to wreck these PKers in HC that have been ganking the mentally-disabled all season, for the lulz.
based

>>2018303
This >>2018346 or Skovos for some prime Amazons. I know nu-blizz doesn't roll like that anymore but a man can dream. Better question is, if they're brave enough to revisit locations from previous games? Other than Caldeum I mean.

>>2016127
How much are these changes going to stall the progression next season? Seems like they want to slow things down. Again...

>>2018667
slutsader/slutadin FTW

YES. It is DONE! 100% every single achievement complete now.
A day ahead of my self-imposed schedule too.
And no, once the paragon 300 came up on my screen, I did not finish out the rest of the pit, eff that.
Only lost 2 characters, both necros, in this psycho endeavor. Not too bad for the road to HC 300.
10/10 recommend if anyone wants a challenge

>>2019257
absolute madwoman. congrats fren

>>2019257
>fearless bacon

>>2019257
Congrats my (wo)man!
How long in total did it take you to reach it?

dad fell again lads :(

They should introduce portrait frames and give them out as rewards for achievements and activities. It's the little things.

>>2019257
Do you think druid a better/tankier option for HC than Slutborn? I'm considering HC right now since I've done everything in SC, except 300 maybe.

>>2018303
>Where's the next expansion going to take us bros?
Somewhere exotic I hope. Also, why are they leaving so many hidden and inaccessible areas? Like this one in Nahantu. It'd be cool if they did some crazy pirates vs. sea monsters/demons season and maybe place it there.

>>2019463
>pirates vs. sea monsters/demons
How would you like to work for Blizz? Seriously, it's so ridiculous I love the idea. We even have pirate themed cosmetics from previous seasons to use as baseline for new ones.

Are (you) religious /dg/?

Picked up D2 a few days ago, having a blast.
Then I sold my druid charm by accident, now I want to die.

>>2019535
I believe in our lord and savior, Tyrone.

>>2016127
>Defense Overhaul: Introducing Toughness
Who asked for this? Devs really need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel with resistances and armor. It was already easy and simple to figure out, now they are going to dumb it down to one stat, just like in d3. It's like dealing with UI designers who need to fuck something up occasionally to later fix and revert that, only to justify their existence.
>Introducing Season Rank
>Renown is changing in a big way on the Seasonal Realm as it’s being removed in exchange for the Season Rank system, completing optional objectives with the Season Rank to earn Skill Points, Smoldering Ashes, and Cosmetics.
This on the other hand looks like a typical "we need to take an existing system and make it more tedious and arduous". Not that renown was anything rewarding in the first place but prevailing bonuses were nice and felt like your prior effort rewarded you with some benefits.
>Capstone Dungeons Return
Fine I guess.

All in all I have high hopes majority of streamers and people on forums will flame them for these changes after PTR. Season 10 is good and if they pull through with those patch notes next one will be boring by comparison. Ain't gonna be good for those metrics.

>>2019269
Thanks fren!
>>2019289
Heck yea druid is a fatass! But at least it's a lazy comfy fatass walk to 300!
>>2019321
Ok so I just logged in to gather the numbers. My HC chars this season in order of making them:
SB 61 hrs
Barb 31 hrs
Necro 1 RIP 11 hrs
Necro 2 RIP 17 hrs
Cata Druid 109 hrs <- the one that did all the pits
Raven Druid 10 hr
Rogue 13 hr
= 252 total hours for me to get to 300
I knew that I wanted to reach max paragon, but I wasn't playing like a streamer "only efficient things ever", like I had a good time and did this and that for the most part, until I hit about hmm 260ish I guess. I started keeping track of paragon at 272, but even then, I would hit 2 levels/day in pits and then go do something fun with the barb or whatever for the day. Around 280 all I did was pits as fast as I could haul my lil bear backside.
>>2019333
I started HC season with evade slutborn for the speedfarming aspect. When the lag spikes hit, it got real visually annoying, so that's when I started making alts. I did spec the rake evade into the slutborn, but that felt dicey. At least with the straight evade (again, you have to make all kinds of adjustments for HC for survivability) you had the armored hide up 100% ezpz without fail with eagle ult always resetting it. Went half-life with the evade sb and never took health damage once (avoid obvious ground effects tho).
Druid needs a lot of particulars to get up and running, or maybe it's just the builds that I wanted to do that needed specific things. I farmed whisper caches with SB and fed to the druid to get lvl 60. I fed the SB bulletin board caches to the druid too for the uniques. Anyway, hope you enjoy HC realm!

Machinegun rogue is surprisingly fun

>>2019757
That's a lot of dedication there Anon. Getting all these achievements must've taken a lot of time. Your HC numbers don't seem so daunting, honestly. But don't get me wrong, that's still impressive you managed to do it under 300 hrs and playing it for fun at that. Plus it's not like all your chars got away scott free.
I can appreciate setting your goals and actually reaching them. Kudos.

I just made my first HC SB character. We'll see how that will go. I'm sure I'll need to develop a self-preservation attitude instead of jumping in guns blazing. Thanks for the valuable info on both classes though, I'll try to put it to good use.

Btw, I don't know if it would fix those lag spikes, but crossplay was usually the main culprit for me and when it's disabled I have much smoother experience.

>>2020337
Sorc with Mana shield, you have to try really hard to get killed

>>2020337
I did all the things to try to get away from the lag spikes. The final thing that worked: resetting my router. It was instant no more lag spikes after that, except for one time when I was in a horde by myself and had lag, and apparently everyone else was also having lag and RIPing to world boss at the same time, so that's on blizz servers I think.
Take it slooooow on HC. I didn't even switch from normal difficulty until I hit lvl 60, but you do you. Also my advice is to tweak any build guide to give yourself extra defensive things in the skill tree and also on the paragon board, even if that means losing out on a couple damage points here or there. You can't do any damage if you're dead!
>>2020368
Yeah I made a sorc and then immediately deleted it, cause I didn't feel like doing the usual spam-all-the-keys sorc thing, and I also didn't want to mentally move from watching my health orb to watching the mana orb. But I did get a fren to use his sorc to kill bosses for me so I could get some starting unique gear kek

i really wish they'd stop putting 1x "woman" into these patch campfires/news things, especially the broad shouldered wide beast they put next to 3 smaller men.

>>2020368
Yeah, mana shield is great, I've already played my sorc on that build. However, if you want to amp up the adrenaline it's very easy to deplete your entire mana shield with Serpentine aspect. High pulse guaranteed, even more so on HC I'd imagine.
>>2020517
>Take it slooooow on HC. I didn't even switch from normal difficulty until I hit lvl 60, but you do you.
I will, even though it might go against my natural impulses in SC aRPG game.
>You can't do any damage if you're dead!
Hear hear. I absolutely agree with that line of thought. I'm already doing my own theory crafting when it comes to modifying aggro builds into sustained defense and survivability. Fun stuff to be honest, definitely a nice change of pace from regular softcore experience.
>>2020882
Diversity quota, what can you do... I mean people could just stop watching these campfires live and maybe that'd give blizz some food for though. God, I hate DEI. I truly hope the pendulum is already swinging the other way and there's gonna be less and less of these people. Merit before ideology.

> kill andy 1000 times
> no loots yet
> sorry kid
> begins to kill her 1000 more times...

>>2021350
>coward out of boss fights cause of HC
>share mats with a sorc to kill boss for me while I wait outside the boss room until it's dead and i can safely open chest, nothing really good tho
>sell all boss mats for dosh, cause i'm a coward
>get 4 mythics from pit runs and 3 mythics from gambling obols and a very random mythic from a yellow seasonal board cache
idk senpai, just run alts through the seasonal board and get sparks that way

>>2021359
I am play d2r. There is no pit like d4 :(.

>>2021362
i don't get it.. like i grew up playing d2, and it was very cool back then, but i don't have any inclination to go back...
is the fascination with d2r a zoomer-playing-emulators type of thing?

>>2021365
I am 5000 year old woman trapped in a little loli body. My tiny hands can only play this game, like before I got trapped by the Prime Evil fel council in this demon body.

>ophidian iris pants finally
>no primordial binding GA
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2021366
huh. so basically the reason is: autism

>>2021370
I hadn't played it, and picked it up for season 12. I jest about my little sisters lolicon fetish -- she has asperger syndrome and cannot stop talking what a sex offender she wants to be, except she has crippling anxiety and cannot go outside.

I was playing season 11 of d4. But, my spirit born and druid, or what ever I made, are kind of hard stuck in torment 3. Albeit, I got boosted to torment 4. But killing t4 just feels like a glass cannon and I cannot helltide or infernal key properly.

>tfw too lazy to pick up non-ga loot
Is it over?

>>2021485
that is how things would work with a filter, but this game also doesn't provide enough sustainable materials to enchant/MW/alchemy without salvaging constantly and farming legions.

>>2020882
People quickly catch on to their bullshit. That's probably one of the reasons they went with a new 'streamer'/podcast format like the interview Rhykker was recently doing.
>>2021545
Didn't they already go on record about introducing loot filters btw?

/v/ gimme some Diablo YouTube to watch. I need some channel fr a new player.

>>2021965
hate to say it but probably raxx is the best and most helpful even though he doesn't play anymore. rhykker is a good guy but a bootlicker.

>>2021991
>rhykker is a good guy but a bootlicker
this lol

>>2021965
https://www.youtube.com/@Rob2628/
https://www.youtube.com/@Slaydra/
https://www.youtube.com/@MacroBioBoi
https://www.youtube.com/@Coooley

I refuse to watch spastic rhykker and his fake deep voice. Never liked him.

>>2022061
Beavis is based and autistic

I just jumped in this. Necro is fun. Do people actually team up or are we all just soloing with a chatroom?

>Gimping grizzly rage again
Why do they keep doing this

>>2022283
Ehh they do things like this then un-do it in a couple of seasons. Anyway there was talk of them completely re-doing the skill tree at some point, so everything will change yet again with that.
Gonna play the ptr soon......

>>2022258
There's a group finder for all sorts of content

Oh wow they actually fixed the barb helmet

>>2022361
Haven't played barb in a while, what was wrong with the helmet and which one?

The new sanctification mechanic would be fun if it hadn't been RNG dialed up to 11. They need to tune it, ASAP.

>>2022445
>Fixed an issue where Tuskhelm of Joritz the Mighty's Unique Power would last an insufficient duration while gaining Berserking.

>>2022445
Soooo many barb chaos uniques weren't functional at season launch. Yeah they eventually fixed it...

>beast in the ice just dropped me a shroud
based

Doing the PTR and leveling up a barb without boosts.
Kinda kek that you start out with 0 skills and just punching monsters until you get 1 basic skill point at level 2.
Tried to do a stronghold at lvl 3 and died..???
Did a WB and got 15 skill points from that.
Variety of monsters in helltide is kind of fun tho.
Leveling feels very different, idk.

>>2022258
Did you join our Clan? It's called <FREN>

i wish i could opt to end horde runs when i get to 666 aether

PTR capstones are fun, but I'm thinking if they plan to leave those in for multiple seasons, they will get stale and the complaining will inevitably happen.
Doesn't really feel like there is any lore behind doing these capstones, just an arbitrary "go and do this now" kind of thing. But since it's different (now), it's fun (now).

>>2022498
>>2022537
Gotcha. Thanks. Good to know they cared enough to fix those issues.

does project d2 actually ban you for using cracked serial codes?

>>2022061
nta but you got any youtubers who specialize in barbs?
>>2022919
Only one way to find out desu.

>>2022922
rob

I forgot d2 has a sprint button. Do I really have to manually swap skills all the time or are most builds just 1 skill spam?

>>2023109
lol you will need to swap skills

>>2023131
ugh

d2 skill switching is much better than the cooldown faggotry we have to deal with now

>>2023280
My complaint with D4 skills is that I can't for some reason hit all the skills at the same time. It's like they have to be activated in a sequence, doesn't matter which, but it can't be 'all at the same time'.
In d3 for example I could press all my skills keys and they would go off. Maybe a minor nitpick, but it's annoying.

>>2022061
Thanks boys (and girls). With this, I know we can finally raise our community numbers and beat Genshin Impact in reply count!

>>2023322
That’s retarded bro. Have you ever tried jumping with a knife and throwing it while shooting a bow at the same time

Someone ring the devs up and tell them that cooldown UI needs to be ON the character with you input a skill and there’s cooldown time remaining.

V Rising does this where if you press a skill and there’s 4s left on CD, it counts down on the player’s body for half a second letting you know.

I’m serious, ring up the devs and tell them to put that in.

>>2023339
>Have you ever tried jumping with a knife and throwing it while shooting a bow at the same time.
Can't say that I did, but jumping into a fight while shouting your battle cry and taking a knife out of holster all the while throwing a knife in your other hand doesn't seem so impossible. Still, I just wish the game would register at least 2 simultaneous button pushes.

>>2023344
Nah it’s not good man. You need rotational skillset otherwise the combat just turns to mush and players start expecting dumb combinations of buttons in runs.

>>2023322
funny you should mention d3. I was playing it the other night and the input there is very smooth, by comparison d4 does feel janky and even laggy.
>>2023348
hard disagree. Besides, what you're suggesting is limiting how players wantto play. Not only that but multiple inputs at the same time do not force you to "mush dumb combinations of buttons". You can click your skills with delays, you do you, but dictating a playstyle in an aRPG is very malicious. Stop it my man.
and fun fact the inputs are messed up either way, if you tried to play whirlwind barb on a controller vs mk/b you'd know d4 would register whirlwind hits with a joystick button firmly held all the time when on a mouse you had to do 'dumb' clicking because holding the attack didn't yield the same effect.

>>2023353
IM NOT CLICKING ALL THE TRAP BUTTONS AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE TRAP SOUP ON ROGUE

MOOOOOODS

Went back and played PoE2 for a bit after a few weeks of D4, and man, I know there’s obviously a bias here but holy shit is the basic combat bad in poe2.

It translates really well to the boss fights, where D4’s bosses feel like bullet hell ones, but the mobs feel terrible.

>>2022492
It's a seasonal mechanic so they'll leave it as is

>>2023341
This doesn't belong in D4.
Sick of people trying to turn D4 into all the other games. Like I know there is plenty of room for improvement in D4, but just let it be its own thing or even D3.5 idc

>>2023433
Basic combat? What build did you play? How far did you get? Poe2 combat is better than Diablo 4 could ever hope to be.

>>2023659
this is what we in the business call "cope"

Poo2 players cope so hard it's insane. Keep it in your own threads thanks.

PoE is better than PoE 2 lol

>D4 adds PoE Vaal Orbs
>everyone on test is REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEING because they feel as they get them they HAVE TO USE THEM NOW instead of saving them
>this is going to most likely get them removed
I fucking hate sheep faggot niggers

>>2023856
Idky people are bitching about a seasonal Mechanic. Once s11 ends its gone

>>2023856
Same. It's entirely optional and it's not like anyone's forcing people to sanctify their items. Once you get a double of the same piece of gear you could do it, sure. Same as vaal'ing an item in poe.
>>2023898
Personally, I hope this will stay in some form.

>>2023851
objectively you are correct but after playing it for 13 years I dont care anymore. I rather play the inferior product.

>>2023659
Playing the crossbow class into act 3. All I’m doing is kiting enemies around and occasionally dodge rolling to keep distance. The 8 skills I have at this point are all attack skills, so positioning doesn’t matter too much.

I’m new to D4 as well, but the combat there feels like a constant push to not get surrounded. There’s this spacing game where you move in and then out. There’s skills at this point are way more varied too.

>>2024046
The bosses however are on another level in poe2. That count boss is good enough to be in Bloodborne 2.

With Poe2, you can embrace the Dark Souls boss aspect due to the slower pace and build a central gimmick around the boss fight.
With D4, the combat is so fast that you can’t really do that, so bosses become about quick AoE and projectile dodging.

It’ll be interesting to see what V does in this area.

finally got a usable chest piece i could fucking cry bros

>>2024188
Congrats bro, good hunting!

>>2024189
not the right ga but the build is so strong, it'll be fine for now :)

Let me get this straight, I have to Helltide forever and pray the chaotic armor I want drops? I been at it for 20+ hours and still have yet to see a chaotic armor that amplifies my build.

I'm retarded, I meant Infernal Horde and obviously not Helltide.

>>2024223
Pretty much. If your build is decent enough you can do lower wave hordes as long as you still hit the 666 aether.
Either that or farm nightmare dungeons with the chaos rift affix. You can get a lot of rep and warp from those, buy the scrolls from the season bitch and you get lots of infernal caches.

>>2024451
>buy the scrolls from the season bitch
what scrolls?

>>2024458
When you finish the story she sells scrolls for 250 warp each.
Gives 6000 rep with maxed reputation season blessing.

>>2024461
Ohhhh. Thx

>>2024222
to farm those (and i've spent two or three weeks trying to find the last piece i need), you run hordes and make sure you have 666 aether to farm bartuk.

other ways are to open seasonal caches, use an alt to max rep board with scrolls and open on your main (guaranteed 4 chaos uniques), and the worst is gambling obols.

>>2024461
yeah honestly this is the way to go. hordes are boring, but doing other stuff and turning in caches is ezpz

fucking hellworms knocking you off your horse because lol why not reeeeeee

>poe devs talk for 3 hours straight with passion about their games and what they want for the games future
>Diablo 4 devs can barely stomach answering questions for 30 minutes and only address things like waffle flavors and favorite colors

>>2025801
Devs sitting on a coach is just not interesting. Destiny 2 does this where the have a great 10 minute trailer with the devs, then it cuts to them on the coach with a transvestite for 2 hours and 34 minutes and you might as well be at someone’s birthday who you don’t know.

>>2024222
priority farm the chaos rifts in helltides, play a zoom character like ball sorc or DT rogue, open chests if you they are in your way to rifts but don't go out of your way unless you need a break from rifts, turn off crossplay if you are on steam so there is no competition for chaos rifts, if you are on another platform turning off crossplay works too but ymmv, you'll get a shit ton of rep and a shit ton of warp that you spam on scrolls for grand caches

They should speed up this season and end it sooner, but it's just me.

>>2026206
the poe talks differ in that you can tell the devs actually play the game and are honest with intentions even when they dont work out, if you find it boring you do you but the poe talks rule

>>2027759
I also enjoy mana shield.

>>2027759
lol i have like 15

I hear on the PTR the XP from bosses is insane and you can get to P300 much, much quicker than you can currently on live realms.
Wonder how much the people who grinded out pits will complain about that and if it'll be changed for release.

>>2028640
That's just PTR things. More things drop/faster exp/etc on PTR, because it's only 1 week long, so people can test it out.
Don't get your hopes up--it's not going to be like that on regular D4.

>>2028640
Yeah, Azmodan, Urivar and Lilith are wild in terms of leveling. but as >>2028676 mentioned that may be related to it being PTR. It stands to reason they'd want people to hit higher levels "organically" instead of boosting through that imp NPC.
Still , I wouldn't mind diversifying the whole leveling process, sticking to pits may be the meta now but it becomes tedious after a while.

>>2028689
Pit is THE only source for big exp in late paragon levels. There needs to be at least one other activity that can give as much exp, and I have the feeling they are trying to make that activity the Tower.
Also, the devs made a big deal of "don't use the imp and try out actual leveling--we want to hear from you", and that's what I did. But with the PTR mechanics of increased exp, etc, my char leveled too fast for what they have laid out as the natural progression of the season. So like, already hit lvl 60 killing azmodan a couple of times and killing duriel a couple of times and doing maybe a half hour in helltide. That's not how it's going to be in Actual D4 when season 11 rolls out. So now I'm lvl 60 with some paragon and running through the leveling/seasonal capstone dungeons (level locked capstones, and the loot is too, so I'm getting ilvl 400 things at char lvl 60) and it's like ?? I don't know what kind of feedback to give on the leveling process, because it wasn't right. "Oh leveling is so fast now!" --but it's not going to be. Lvl 60 now and trying to gear up naturally, but have no mats b/c didn't have to do the usual things to get mats, and it's more annoying than anything else to try to temper things out of order like that.
I can say: more monsters, different monsters, it's harder because "toughness" is ambiguous (no idea what this really means) so you don't really know what difficulty you can hit (bodes risky for HC).
I'm done trying the leveling process out. Going to use the imp to get all the things and play around with all that.

4 out of 13 sanctification items rolled as pic rel
Hope you enjoy ignoring your durability loss, bros...
Items don't get a symbol for masterworking levels any more (the circles, the triangles, etc)
Sometimes the sanctifications aren't really apparent --the labeling of everything could use some bold test or colors or something for the casual normie. Getting a stat removed for a random stat is annoying in sanctifying.
Tempering to a totally-new player might feel cool "hey I can slap another thing on this! yay what do I pick", but I think for the rest of us who are used to picking 2 tempers, it's underwhelming.
The Azmodan fight at the WB nook on the map is pretty cool. It's entirely do-able solo if nobody else is around.
The purified "gifts" seem like they are always on, no matter what you're doing? But it seems like the corrupted parts only function when you're doing that related activity. It wasn't very clear on the UI, but maybe it's explained in the story or a pop-up thing that they're going to put in the actual season?
Tower felt just like a D3 greater rift. If it has a whisper attached to it, could be worth doing. If it has achievements attached to trying it out, could be worth doing. I'm not competitive by nature, so idc for the leaderboard aspect of it, but if that's what people want, then it seems to fit the bill. I do think that it's nice that it is a separate activity from Pit--there is no reason to wrap both glyph lvling and leaderboarding into the same activity.
I could see an advantage to going barb for implicit strength/armor (one less thing to put on gear or gems and paragon), sorc or necro for int/resist. But I wonder what the squishiness of dex and willpower classes is going to be like--they will have to manage all the things (I tested barb). The paragon boards have tons of armor/life/res stuff on them.
Anyway just my 2 cents on things

It looks like they'll be announcing something in December. There was a datamined pic related image, made for chinese market with date 12th December in it. This coincides with The Game Awards 2025 event on December 11, so it's likely they could be aiming for an announcement of the expansion.

>>2029435
so prolly a june release? so far away :(

TEAR OUT ITS LIVING SOUL!

>>2029435
Oh, I forgot to mention that the text in pic related basically says
>See you on December 12
So it could be some sort of announcement.
>>2029611
Probably.

>>2028997
Does Azmodan have sick bants like in D3?

Interested in D4 here. I really enjoyed D3 end game with running rifts, minmaxxing builds but there wasnt much else to do but that. Does D4 have more end game?

>>2030695
>Does D4 have more end game?

>>2030625
Ehh I wasn't really paying attention--I think he might do a bit of smack talking when he is spawned in. There's a lot going on with that fight, because it's Azmodan + a shadowy Andariel, or Azmodan + a shadowy Belial, and there's all kinds of adds and things too. The Azmodan graphics look pretty cool tho.
>>2030695
D4 gives you evade--when I went back to D3 for a moment after playing D4 I had a "wtf where are my evades" moment. Didn't realize how actually nice it was.
D4 will now have a "tower" activity that functions very much like greater rifts.
There is overall much more to do in D4 other than bounties + rifts. And depending on how fun a season is, it has a longer playtime than D3. But when you're done, you're done. Put it away until the next season, just like D3.

>>2030800
I like D3 but yea there just isn't much to do. Hoping to get more out of D4 in general.

>2030746
Leave it to the weebfag to shitpost.

How has the enemy changed been on the latest PTR? I’m a PS5 faggot.

Making sure you don't get anything special when you complete all season journey achievements right? There are no more secret titles or anything else?

>>2029435
What’s the cosmic resonance meaning for 1212

>>2029435
Ryker said it’s going to be a Chinese expansion to coincide with the Chinese official client of the game.

That makes sense. Boring, but makes sense.

>>2031211
I think the only "hidden" unlock is the soulstone you get for reaching p300. That and I think there was a title you can get for reaching pit level 150.
Maybe I misremembered the second part but I'm almost sure I heard something about Pit 150 reward.

>>2028695
>>2028997
>Pit is THE only source for big exp in late paragon levels. There needs to be at least one other activity that can give as much exp
This is one of the qualms I have with D4. We seemingly have all sorts of venues to go to and kill monsters, but they're not at all worth it. I get that some activities should and have to be more rewarding, but the disproportion is colossal atm. I suppose the overcorrection they made to bosses XP is testing the waters.
>I have the feeling they are trying to make that activity the Tower.
Yep, that's what my gut is telling me. Especially like you said it brings to mind GRifts. But there needs to be a good reward system in place too going forward, a cosmetic as well (potraits, things to show off etc.). They can't expect people to grind The Tower ad infinitum to level up, because you can do it in The Pit just the same.
>Tempering
Sad that this is all they could up with. I'd rather they didn't touch it at all for the time being, honestly.

Also, Sanctification seems like a cool mechanic and I may be in the minority but I don't mind it. It's optional and afaik the seasonal mechanics do not force you to sanctify your gear in any way. You want to do it, go for it. High risks yield high rewards

I don't like the change to defense and toughness in general. Before you knew your Armor and Resistances caps with their requirements in each World Tier. Now it's too vague and it is taken straight from D3. This is reinventing the wheel and much like with Tempering I think it should've been left alone.

Azmodan is cool and a very welcome addition to the game. >>2030625 Maybe they'll add more bants to him later.

>>2031519
Well the whole reason they made the paragon300 curve like they did was to "make it aspirational", since leveling to 100 was "too easy" and then "there is nothing left to do". I think they made it intentionally overly grindy to get to 300 to stop the complaints/cater to the streamers. If the boss XP > pit completion XP, I'm sure it's a glitch that will be corrected before season starts. Doesn't follow the established pattern to leave it in like that.
>there needs to be a good reward system in place too going forward
When the Horn of Trials existed, you got a little symbol next to your portrait in the friends/clan menu. Maybe that sort of thing will make a return, especially since they already have that coded in somewhere.
>sanctification
People who have time to grind the game and streamers will be fine with this-- and maybe that's how it should be idk. There are 5 possible sanctification outcomes, the best one being "apply a bonus legendary power". Of the codex of legendary powers (about 100 different powers), maybe a generous 10 are actually somewhat useful to your build. So we are talking about a 10% chance on top of a 20% chance (if things are weighted evenly in the anvil), so do the math on how many extra pieces of gear you need to hit the statistical probability of getting that one useful reward. And then I guess do the math on how often a useful piece of gear drops with the right affixes and ancestral. It's just going to be extra-grindy is all. High work yields high rewards.
"Toughness": devs should lay out exactly what the metrics are on that. It wouldn't altogether be an annoying change if only it was clarified.

Not having paladin/crusader at launch is a crime against me. What the fuck am I supposed to play??? Tried rogue and spiritborn so far and they're kinda boring(I know it gets better at end game but leveling is such a slog ngl)

>>2032267
>Not having paladin/crusader at launch is a crime against me
Rumor has it, they've been sitting on the class since before launch. I mean, it's bound to make a comeback. I refuse to believe they'd pass up such an iconic class (and easy money at that).

>>2032267
Good news, fren

>>2032468
Nice.

>>2032412
We remember.

>>2032502
Is that an angel in the middle? Girl Tyrone?

Is it me or does D4 just look very, how should I say it, "bleak"? I know people bitched at D3 when it released for being too colorful/cartoony, but I feel like everything in D4 just looks grey and dull, even the skills. On another note, I miss the procedural maps. Why did they go for this static world? And what I really don't like about it is, the open world doesn't feel very open at all, I just feel like I'm going through corridors.

>>2032524
3 is the gay rainbows and sunshine exception (read: brainfart). 1, 2 and 4 are bleak and miserable

girls can't be angels due to them being inherently evil

I can't figure out if Neyrelle is black or asian

>>2032746
Asian

>>2032746
She's obnoxious.

>>2032524
D4 is more bleak than the others. They were probably looking at Berserk for reference after the Eclipse as to what regions of the continent would look like flooded with demons.

I think it’s too bleak narratively and visually. There has to be a bit of levity so that you grow more attached to the characters and the darker moments hit harder, but that’s very hard to do in this series.

I honestly don’t know what a Diablo with levity would be. Would probably start to feel like Dragon Age.

>>2032922
Well there was that part with the drunkard calling Lorath "Deckard" --that was kind of comedic (or maybe an attempt at forcing transference on the player to see Lorath as a Deckard, if you want to see it that way)
And it's kind of funny that the scoundrel from D3 is now some kind of mob boss in Backwater.

>>2033099
Speaking of which, why the fuck do they completely ignore the existence of Diablo 3?

Is this game dead? I hate to use streamer views but it has less than HotS on average. Today being exception since it's last day of PTR or something.

>>2033352
It's a seasonal game, so playerbase/viewership goes up for the first week or two of a season then drops

>>2033359
>week or two
Damn, that's short. I thought I was getting in early. How long is a season?

>>2033368
Like about 3 months or so. There is still a whole month left of this season, so it isn't like you're too late.

>>2033521
I thought it started at the end of last month.

>>2033560
Sometimes seasons are shorter or longer, idk.
Dec 9 is the rumored season 11 start date...

>>2032749
>>2032751
>bratty asian
say no more *unzpis dick*

It could be interesting even if it doesn't amount to any substantial changes going forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyojFKDW2Gc

If there's one streamer who I'd like to see doing these interviews it would be Rax.

>Raxx says he won't do any further content related to D4
>
Why are "content creators" nothing more than roaches waiting for something to blog for room temperature IQ people?

>>2034224
That's literally the job description.

Oh is it? Okay my bad.

>>2033801
rax is the best desu.

I should interview Blizzard, I’d get to the real questions.

YouTubers and redditors are just going to ask the same endgame shit of,
>how cum blue item he no do nothing??

These players are stuck in a perpetual loop of trivialising endgame content and then complaining when it becomes boring. All they can ask about is trivialities like rarity, aspecting, seasonal mechanics.

You need to get technical details on the enemy AI changes.
Ask what can be done new with exploration. How can exploration and discovery fit into an ARPG formula?
What about fluff mechanics? How does DIV feel in third person as a gimmick? What about pulling the camera really far back? What about larger bosses? How about different types of world traversal?

These questions won’t be asked, because the current zietgeist, real or otherwise, is that “I’m unfulfilled at endgame”.

Honestly, they should fucking ask no questions and instead just make new games and ideas.

og d2 > all

>>2034510
Why 2 but not 1

>>2034488
>>2034510
Make these transwomen the CEOs of gaming!

>>2034546
Go, ask blizzard your question. Let’s see this shit.

I just don't get it when I hear "muh no endgame" and "no reason to play past season" from people who aren't streamers/making an actual career out of grinding the game. Does the average playerbase really want this to be some kind of game that is THE only game they ever play day after day? What's wrong with just enjoying new season mechanics, doing the season journey, and then letting it sit until the next season while you play other games? I'm not being combative--I'm honestly asking.
As it exists, "endgame" is finishing the last chapter of the season journey. As of next season, you can try for leaderboards after you're done with that. What else does there need to be AFTER these things that isn't mandatory (season journey) to do? Genuinely asking.
I am not of the opinion that D4 is perfect. There are definitely some positive changes that can be made. But the endgame thing seems to be driven more by streamers who are paid to stream the game, or their fanbase who want to parrot their "hero", or maybe the average plebbitor who only knows how to complain for the sake of complaining. For the average player, what does endgame really mean.

>>2034897
ARPGS and MMOs suffer from this complaint, poopsockers want a game with a endgame that is just infinite, they can play it forever.
Ask them what this end game would be like and they couldn't give you a straight answer

I do think it's just because youtubers and streamers say that shit though. People who play these games 8 hours a day every day complain there's nothing to do at end game, or not enough. Even though that might no be indicative of the average players experience since they're not playing the game 8 hours a day like it's a job. Average player could get a lot of content out of D4, by the time they complete the end game they can be like
>Okay if I want more I can play a different character, or even challenge myself wiry hardcore. OR also just play a different game
But that's not enough for streamers that need something to content farm

In short, fuck streamers and youtubers

>>2034540
Nothing can beat the original Diablo Tristram soundtrack *so much soul*

>>2035556
4 has really good soundtrack

>>2035335
youtubers who post epic build and then STFU: that's fine
streamers who expect the whole game to revolve around them: fake and gay

>>2034897
Like other Anon said, every MMO has this problem.

The irony is also always that it’s only %2 of the playerbase doing endgame content, but they’re the most vocal, and so that’s all the developers ever hear from.

Basically, developers shouldn’t focus on endgame modes exclusively. They need to find different avenues to put their time into because you end up arguing balancing minutia with people who ingrain that same minutia into them.

How can you please someone who intinctively knows how drop rates feel or how animation ties into input? You can’t. Just make DIV fun as you can, make cool bosses, make a flying section or whatever, just do interesting shit.

>>2034897
If you play online games with lobbies, the forums are full of “endgame” players who have “nothing to do”.
But then if you go to the lobby, everyone is just standing there.

Players don’t realise what they want is new exciting experiences. The mistake that for endgame grinds, but that wears out after a few weeks.

>>2036099
Even modern YouTube reviews talk in this frame.
>the game has so much content, you could play it for hundreds of hours and get your money’s worth

>>2036096
>it’s only %2 of the playerbase
There's no way you can convince me 98% of players in D4 are leveling or doing "side content". This isn't WoW.

>>2036127
Ehh it's probably actually pretty close to 98% of currently-playing players who are somewhere on this list:
leveling to 60
getting paragon
gearing up to T4/grinding chaos armor
trying to make their own build
working on season journey
doing some achievement hunting
selling stuff in trade (yes some people only sit in town and turn the game into business sim)
trying to push pit level/level up glyphs
The non-currently-playing players are done with season journey and peaced out until next season.
So yeah 2% is a good estimate of "endgame"/streamer/"content creator" populace.
>>2036099
Yeah at the end of the day, people just want a FUN game.

>>2033316
I thought of that too when I was running through campaign. There are so many questions and threads that need explaining, at least for the sake of people who cared about the characters and the plot if not for continuity.
Where's the Nephalem? You can't just ignore a character of this magnitude ( I guess you can and they do, but they shouldn't.). Where did Tyrone run off to? How was the world affected after Malthael was destroyed?
The most we have in terms of link with D3 is Lyndon who's running a gang in Backwater in the south, and even he doesn't mention our D3 protagonist who was his "boss" for some time.

And on the subject of the plot, funny how all the main characters on the "good side" are abysmal muh strong females, while all the men are drunkards or villains (Lilith being the exception I guess). That bald black chick even gets a "redemption" arc instead of getting the spear in the expansion ffs. This irks me to no end. I know this game is/was fueled by DEI money at the time of writing, but come on..
.
Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to vent a bit. I don't expect the next expansion to course correct on those discrepancies, but a man can hope.

they were trying to escape D3, everything about the game, regardless of how you or anyone felt about it, they were attempting to recapture the feel of D2 to play on nostalgia. member the lilith commercials announcing hardcore deaths of streamers by megan fox in a tight black dress?

>>2036741
nta but
>they were trying to escape D3
>everything about the game
yeah, it didnt pan out, did it. Lyndon, Tyrael - overaching character for sure, locations from D3..... much as they 'tried' to keep previous game in limbo they sure paid attention to include those

>>2037199
How is Lyndon both the scrap, the last vestige of D3, the barely there mention of it, and the lynch pin in what makes the game NOT an escape of D3?

>>2036671
>>2037199
uhh, Lorath anyone?

>>2037215
shit, you're right. I forgot about him. Says a lot about fleshing out characters in D4, eh?
>>2037201
if you don't want to associate your game with the previous one making it a soft reboot, don't include characters from the previous one. A nod or tease maybe, but that's it. It's that simple my man. Are we now pretending that this was a 5d chess move to disassociate D4 with D3 by including Lyndon (and Lorath who I forgot about, shamefur of me)? The writers are just not very bright, but that's another topic.

>>2036671
>Where's the Nephalem?
My headcannon for my male DH is that he's plowing amazons on Skovos an living the life.

>>2036671
>Where's the Nephalem?
My headcanon for my male DH is that he's plowing amazons on Skovos to this day, living the life ;^)

>yzersham
KWAB

>>2036671
I'm guessing the nephalem went off the rails and Tyrone went after him/her

>>2036671
Where's Diablo in a Diablo-titled game?

>>2037673
Recovering in Hell

>>2035335
>In short, fuck streamers and youtubers
This. They are blight upon gaming.
>>2036096
>Just make DIV fun as you can, make cool bosses, make a flying section or whatever, just do interesting shit.
I would add to this things that worked in Diablo 3 and could also give extra fluff much needed in Diablo 4:

- player profiles with achievements and various stats to preview (time played on each class, highest ran pit/tower etc.); it should also allow for ability to see player's characters, their gear, skills what have you
- seasonal history: bring back feats for each season that will work as achievements (that could tie in perfectly with player profiles) which we can later go through; same with characters we used in specific season
- we need more cosmetics for that bling: portrait frames, extra gestures, wings etc. - all or mostly available to get by actually playing the game
- maybe even let people mix colors they already have access to so that they can still jew out more bundles but there will be more customization freedom
- social stuff: redesigned clans with stash for the whole clan to drop some items, communities for doing different activities
- equipment: more stash tabs and dedicated tabs for materials/runes, so that we can "physically" drag & drop items

Pic related for those that may not remember how some stuff looked like in D3 or didn't play it.
That's off the top of my head, maybe I'll post more later if anything comes to mind.

>>2037673
He's coming in the fourth expansion.

>>2037782
>portrait frames, extra gestures, wings etc. - all or mostly available to get by actually playing the game
Sorry, sisterbro, but those are reserved for paying customers only.

>>2037782
>player profiles with achievements and various stats to preview (time played on each class, highest ran pit/tower etc.); it should also allow for ability to see player's characters, their gear, skills what have you
Damn straight. I absolutely hate the fact that d4 is devoid of all the QoL features D3 had . It's like morons who worked on d4 didn't include something as basic as a player sheet with characters and bunch of stats for us to see out of spite.
Other stuff is also compelling Anon, I'd sign a petition to get those implemented.

>>2037782
... nice collection of primal ancients you got there... i'm admirin

>>2038245
Not mine, but yeah, guy's top #1 in his category too. It's crazy how anyone gets to p20k.

>>2037782
>more stash tabs and dedicated tabs
I remember hearing the problem with the stash tabs is the same one as in D3, meaning when you're loading into a town/zone(?) the game loads the entirety of each player's stash too. While in D3 this wasn't such an issue because we had 4 players in total in one game, in D4 this is probably a coding nightmare since these monkeys used the one from Diablo III. I still remember at launch the fuckload of a lag when you entered Kyovashad with people in it. This was due to your client loading other stashes. Maybe if they solve that problem we'll have more functioning features befitting aRPG.
On a related note, how is it that we have such limited amount of tab icons? I can't imagine that's because they're so hard to make.

>https://youtube.com/watch?v=p15mvF8cbOE

What am I meant to make of this? I love this game but they genuinely need to get someone new in for marketing. They’re extremely out of touch with the user base.

>>2038857
After listening to that I come to the conclusion that their marketing dept. is not only out of touch with the community, but completely inept people were put in charge of promotion. Maybe even folks at the wrong age.

I'm disappointed, but should we be surprised? After that debacle with two dev whales on the "playing" the game and not even talking about it there's very little they can do to lower my expectations in communication with the community. I guess things have to get worse before they get better, right?
The only thing I liked from D4 promotion were Lo-Fi compilations for some nice background noise, give them a listen. They're way better than that nu-pop shit or whatever it's supposed to have been:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n8vT49ueg

>>2038857
They're appealing to the gooner HMV crowd.

>>2038857
>what in the absolute fuck
They would do better to actually black hole all marketing at this point. It would be a net positive.

>>2037782
Even though stash is not that important because let's be honest a lot of stuff kept there is either forgotten trash or sometimes items for other builds, if you have this many. But it would be great to see those thematic tabs like keys and runes.
Also make the inventory have single tiles (for jewellery)so that smaller items don't take up two slots. I hate that d3 has to be brought up again but they didn't have a problem with implementing that there.

D3 was the better game. There, I said it. No need to thank me.

>>2039062
>Maybe even folks at the wrong age

I think it's a woman in her late 30s, I just can't see it any other way.

>>2039797
The Diablo 4 marketing team is a collaboration between Blizzard Entertainment and the ad agency 72andSunny, led by key figures like Director of Global Marketing Kaleb Ruel and Head of Social Media, Community and Influencer teams Adam Fletcher. Their work includes major promotional events like the "Server Slam" beta, artist collaborations, partnerships, and a focus on creating a global buzz for the game.

Never blame a woman for what a man can do better.

Hmmmm, whatever happens here?

>>2040176
Quarantine zone for witchdoctors

>>2039859
>Adam Fletcher
I love diablo and always have, but it just seems like they hate what the game actually is, and wish it was something else. It's especially ironic when you consider they pretty much created the genre. Almost like they've wrung all the potential of an arpg out of the franchise but know they can't inherently change it, but also they hate the fans of that genre and want new fans that would typically hate the genre. Say what you want about the poe guys but they know damn well who their audience is, and they market directly to them. Mostly because they ARE the audience for their own game. Which we all know blizzard definitely aren't.

>>2039728
I loved Diablo 3, me and my friend spent so much time doing hard-core seasons.
Just a good game to chill and listen to something else as you just kill demons

>>2040176
Area for expansion 3

>>2039859
> it just seems like they hate what the game actually is, and wish it was something else
It could be that. It's actually very likely that those in charge despise "a gamer" that plays D4 and the fact they dare criticize what they do. It could also be the case that people with meaningful ideas, that could transform this game into leader of this genre, are in minority. Or even worse scenario, they are incapable of taking good feedback or outright copy solutions from other aRPGs. I don't know which variant is the worst. But the likes that transformer guy Aislyn, Art Peshkov (a level designer for D3 btw) represent a certain mentality that drags the game down seriously.

Seriously, get some people from Diablo Immortal on D4, because they certainly know what people want. They churn out good content, and even the stuff that's free is much better than anything "free" in a full priced game. Just like PoE guys know their target audience, those guys over at D:I at least are capable of making reasonably good content. I wonder if getting John Yang from D3 team way back is any indicator of turning a new page, one can hope. He's supposedly a Design Director for Systems, so we can make of that what we will.

>>2041617
sorry, meant for >>2040243

>>2040176
Forgotten* Lands
*by the developers
Same as Ureh. They haven't done anything with that location for the longest tim. What the hell.

og d2 > all don't @ me

>>2042154
Boomoid nostalgia, D3 and D4 mog

Any predictions on Rax's talk with the devs? Who did they send to speak with him, anyway?

>>2042154
The only thing 1 and 2 do better than 3 and 4 is the line of sight in dungeons.

>>2042263
This is the thing with the streamers and stuff man, all they're going to ask about is seasonal minutia. I can hear all the questions in my head already with Sanctification and whatever.

There's this irony where YouTube channels keep ongoing game discussion going, but these guys are playing it 3-8 hours per day. That's the 1% focus, which becomes the loudest focus.

Like this is the state of the videos a few months back. It's the most melodramatic shit I've ever seen.

Instead of bringing up some cool shit to do with the game and push concepts into D5, they're gonna talk about the pit for 10 minutes. Get fucked man.

>>2042284
Actually I take it half back, the video is not too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzTvJipbeqU

>>2042312
To take it back the first thing he fucking talks about is “I want loot drops to feel like a million dollars” which means he’s a gambling addict.

Idk why i see people always act like diablo 4 is bad it makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. So many youtube videos about that

>many videos about D4
weak b8 m8

>>2042275
idk raxx is fair but not a bootlicker. he might ask decent questions

>>2042166
d3 lost any credibility for being a serious game once paragon levels were released

>>2042426
>"The reason I play these games is dopamine"
>"I want loot drops to feel like a million dollars"
What an asspull. And he's playing PoE. You don't get those "million dollar" items from the get go either. Sure you can roll some crazy shit in the endgame stages, but I'm guessing he's made a huuuge mental shortcut there. Once you get to the endgame, which in itself is another discussion, THEN you should have some crazy drops. I think what he should've said there is that items need allow us to change our playstyle, much like you could delete mobs with your evasion in season 2 of D4 with vampiric powers.

Also, between uniques and mythics we should see a variety in how they modify skills behavior/effects. This is why runes where fun Part of what made D2 fun for instance was the fact you could turn your non-sorcerer class into teleporting beast. Hell, even kanai's cube from D3 added to variety even if there was power creep already. But it was fun nonetheless.

Basically, I think the major problem with D4 is that it isn't fun in a way that you can play around with your character and experiment. For some reason devs treat the game as some serious arpg title, which it isn't nor should be. Most of their ideas feel sterile as if they're not playing their game - a VERY high possibility when pic related is what they were able to delegate to "play" and talk about being a lesb- I mean creating dungeons. Speaking of which, I agree with >>2041617 on Immortal. At least there you can see some spark of fun in devs, even though it IS a p2w game.

And just a thought, but I wonder if they could add shoulder pads as additional item slot.

>>2042507
It’s a genuinely a good game, like a 9/10 sort of game.

I actually think the majority of it is Tencent paying people do smear the game.
I’ve seen how Tencent worked online astroturfing with Baldur’s Gate 3 and Arc Raiders, the shit is insane.
It’s even more insane to think that all these YouTubers can be bought out. I mean the journalists were a bought out decade plus back around the Xbox360 and modern warfare, why not the YouTubers and streamers too?

It might sound like a “Path of Exile is the boogeyman” conspiracy excuse, but I genuinely think it’s that. Chinese companies have that in them, whereas American companies like Blizzard, Bungie, while stupid and drowing in woke hypocrisy, don’t engage in subterfuge via online forums like that.

I’m in late Act 2 of Path of Exile 2 and I’m almost falling asleep against regular mobs.

>>2042946
>that pic
Good Lord it's worse than I could imagine. No wonder they've kept these weirdos out of their vids.

>>2042275
Yeah, I know a typical streamer is dependent on the content but in Rax's case it's, I think, more cut and dry. He did say he will at least test each new season of D4, but won't commit to them and instead he'll focus on other games.
That alone puts him in a better position to ask 'difficult' questions than, say, Rhykker who's much more lenient in his interviews.

And I do hope questions about the game overall will be addressed, not just the seasonal stuff. I'm interested in what improvements what actual community feedback is in the pipeline already.

>>2042960
It's not a bad game by any means but it's very underdeveloped and it shows. Plus let's not forget it was being developed by D3 devs initially who all got fired iirc, evidently they had a different vision of the game then current devs. Even now I believe there's no specific goal for D4 in terms of system improvements, but who knows maybe someone more knowledgeable will take reins.

>>2042960
It was weird to me how D4 got so much hate, then PoE2 comes out and EVERY youtuber is playing it and talking about how amazing it is. Even ones that didn't even play D4 on their channels. Happens a lot nowadays, a new game will be coming out and for some reason just catches on with a ton of big content creators out of no where

>>2043542
>for some reason
It's just the cool thing to shit on blizzard now and shill for the competition. PoE, Rivals, FFXIV

Let's jump in bros, shall we:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9RBqScSPzo

>>2043603
Doors.... yeah, that's what keeps me up at night.

desu doors are gay in this game

>>2043644
Sure, but considering a myriad of things we're dealing with those should be lower down the list. At least he asked about masterworking.

Name my team.

>>2043603
I didn't get to watch it yet, might do a sit down soon. Did they say anything interesting at all?

>>2043845
>adding more torment levels in future
>pit and tower are definitively decoupled
>zdps barb/group things (like in GRs) is going to be a thing/encouraged in the tower
>dodged the topic about RMT
>SSF mode is getting worked on--but no timeline for it dropping yet
>chaos uniques aren't getting added into the base game, retards
>stay tuned for: stash tabs, loot filter, skill tree
>devs don't know anything about: where diablo is, the cow level, or the paladin

>>2043644
Dungeons have doors; I don't understand why people get so pissed off about that.
Show me on the picture where the door touched you

These don't really look like women to me, chat. How do I justify hating them?

>>2044010
It grabbed me right on the pussy, if I have to be honest.

>>2044121
>chat
kill yourself zoomer

>>2044144
How about I kill your game instead, incel?

>>2044146
the game i play for a total of 8 weeks a year? go for it.

>>2044147
Next 10 seasons are flopping, wallframe this post and have sex, virgin.

>>2043542
It’s all extremely aggressive astroturfing by subsidiary and contracted companies.
I know this stuff because I was into the gacha games for a while, and the whole thing revolves around literal CIA-tier disinformation and insurgency tactics across social websites.

Things like manufactured outrage because of perceived censorship, sales threads, even things like having an annoying, decided schizo to ruin threads.

We’ve caught people out doing this stuff before. You’ll notice most of this stuff comes into play as soon as Chinese publishers are involved.

>>2044358
based /x/ schizo

>webcam slop work from home interview

I can’t watch man. It’s so unprofessional.

>>2044004
Thanks for the tl:dw Anon.
>adding more torment levels in future
A bit on the fence about this one but chances are they won't scale it the hell out like 16 torments in D3
>pit and tower are definitively decoupled
We'll see how it goes
>SSF mode is getting worked on
Only streamers will mostly care about it, but anything that adds to the game should be treated as a plus, which leads me to:
>chaos uniques aren't getting added into the base game
One of the most welcome features so far and they claim it's not going to be a core mechanic, come on....
>stay tuned for: stash tabs, loot filter, skill tree
The fuck is there workflow if these adding these features takes up so much of their time
>diablo, the cow level, the paladin
I'm more than sure these are all saved for future expansions, but are they really going to hold off until the further updates to give people functionalities they've been asking for? I don't know but I have my suspicions.

Reminder that we'll get another round of devs - Colin and Zavin (?), tomorrow. This time German Beavis will take them for a spin.
There's also some korean dude doing similar interview with them today, supposedly.

does the act 3 merc benefit from "+1 to sorceress skill levels" bonuses ?

>>2045340
>German Beavis
Who?

>>2045529
kekekek scroll up before you try to spell Beavis a bunch of different ways
Streamers suck, but at least German Beavis has a good time when he's playing D4 and isn't a whiny pussy complainer like other streamers.

I miss Monk so fucking much...

>>2045551
FEEL THE WRATH OF GUITAR

>>2045549
>at least German Beavis has a good time when he's playing D4
this is kinda true but it's also gay cuck behavior to level characters for elon

>>2045553
I honestly miss the protags of D3, the classes had a lot of personality. Loved the lines and stuff they'd say after wiping a group, also female monk as hot as fuck

for me it was femwiz

>>2045626
Yeah, current team doesn't seem like they care about the little things, like charcter's voicelines or unique character traits. Just because they wanted a more serious tone that doesn't mean it had to come at the cost of strands levity that were left.

>>2045636
>doesn't seem like they care about the little things
One thing that really irks me about D4 is the gore, I remember in D3 you'd be chopping people's heads off, hitting them so hard their flesh blows off and leaves just a skeleton, blood would be on the ground after. But in D4 I slice through a entire group and not a single drop of blood is on the ground, it's like way too clean. Which is weird because there is some nice gore, like chopping someone in half and intestines fly out, but it also feels safe and bland at the same time

Also the ragdoll physics are downgraded too, in D3 you felt strong, enemies would go flying sometimes. But in d4 a lot of the time you kill an enemy and they just kind of flop over.

It's probably just my autistic ass that even cares about that stuff but it still bothers me

>>2045581
Leveling chars for Elon? I thought they just teamed up for 1 stream tho?

>>2045641
>It's probably just my autistic ass that even cares about that stuff but it still bothers me
I can only agree with you. I feel the same way. The game definitely feels to sterile where it should shine the most. As for the ambiance of D4, the characters especially feel bland, and not just our classes, but the NPCs around us come across as most dull and uninspiring as it gets. I don't need grand and pompous speeches but a bit of human element and mentioned before levity would really help to sell the world.

Also, lack of cinematics between sections of the campaign still doesn't sit right with me. Sure it's cool to see our character have some interaction but would it hurt to add the staple of Blizz that were cionematics as well?

>>2045641
You might want to look at your settings, fren. You probably have your gore/other graphics turned down.
D4 monsters explode in limbs and guts and everything all over the place for me.

>more torment levels
Each update just turns this game closer to a diablo 3 clone kek.

>>2046215
A Diablo 3 clone without any of the SOUL

Based German is broadcasting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npVajbEUQpk

diablo 4 is much better than diablo 3 you retards

>>2046551
lol, lmao

>>2046551
I can beat diablo 3, I haven't been able to get past D4 act 1 despite trying to multiple times.

Classes were just so much better in D3. Like the wizard, female wizard in D3 was hot and had ACTUAL PERSONALITY. She was arrogant, when you killed a group of demons she would say shit like
>If only my masters could see me now!
With Azulas VA, meanwhile D4 classes are just fucking boring, lifeless.

There's only one word I can use to describe D4 and that is "sterile". We were WAY too harsh on D3

>>2046620
but D3 was made by da gays, and da gays give me the heebie-jeebies

Playing diablo 1 right now and its pretty charming despite its age. Weird to see how the series started more RPG like, even has armor class and everything

>>2046547
Much better interview compared to Rax's structure wise. I think it helped that Rob's german so by default he had all his stuff planned and organized. Didn't expect much from it and outside of some bits and pieces it looks like they may be planning something for game awards show.
I know blizzcon's in 2026 so they will pump out big announcements there but it would be nice to actually see a teaser of sorts.

So, next class is gonna be monk, right? Why the fuck would they announce Paladin on some Chinese event?
>>2046958
>2026 so they will pump out big announcements
If these niggas don't shit outa new expansion Jan-Mar, April at the latest, this game is over.

Hewwo frens! I want to know what build I should do for my second Diablo 2 character! My first character was a tornado druid!!

>D4 thread on /v/
>the thread: >>>/v/725108998

>>2047015
The Noose build for the Suicide class seems like the right build for you.
>>2047020
I ain't reading all that.

>>2046904
I actually like 1 the best as a personal preference. It’s nowhere near as mechanically engaging as the others, but the atmosphere and OST make you feel like you’re DESCENDING.

The only other time I feel the same throughout the series is in Diablo 2’s prison cell levels, where the doors and line of sight, plus the constant mobs and navigation, make you feel stressed like in 1.

As much as I think 3 and 4 are better games overall, they don’t hit that “survival horror” gameplay because you’re just so fast.

>>2047028
>Diablo 2’s prison cell levels
But what about doors?

>>2047021
necromancer it is! Thanks kind anonymous!

>>2047060
It’s like, doors shouldn’t be in the game. Like I just fucking hate doors. Like literally anywhere. Doors irl, doors on the wall (windows). Just the act of pressing X and opening the door fucks with me.

>>2047097
I guess you're not a fan of The Doors either?

>>2047097
The thing is, in D1 (and D2?? can't remember), you could open the door and then CLOSE the door. So like if you saw something scary on the other side, you could close the door to have a panic attack real fast, and then go in and do battle. If they tried to do this in D4 tho, I'm sure people would accidentally close it on themselves and get even more pissed off about the existence of doors...

>>2047174
True, and then D2 introduced the concept of knocking on the doors to see if demons were inside (players loved this), even though you could miss knocks and then D3 used doorbells instead (everyone hated this, they called them “WoW doorbells”).

What I’m saying is

We need a perception stat add to the game actually, let's you see the entire room behind the door if you max out the cap. If you get the Door of Perception mythic unique and put a runeword in it, you can see two doors over, like if the room with the door you're next to has a door you can see in the other room, or two, or three, as long as they're adjacent.
There, I fixed the game. That'll be 1 000 000$ + tip, thank you.

>>2047199
>a door
another door somewhere in it*

Is Demons Souls a Diablo game

>>2047015
sorc :)

>>2047008
>So, next class is gonna be monk, right? Why the fuck would they announce Paladin on some Chinese event?
I don't expect them to announce a class at a chinese event, maybe an announcement of an announcement seeing as these companies tend to work these days. But no way is the new class going to be monk. The demand for Paladin is just too high.
>new expansion Jan-Mar, April at the latest
Consider that blizzcon is scheduled for autumn next year and I get a feeling we won't see the expansion until after that. I too wish we got it earlier, but the devs are working at such a slow pace when it comes to core content that late winter/early spring are waaay too optimistic predictions.

I just want Diablo 3 PC with Controller support.

>>2047679
It has controller support.

>>2047703
No it doesn't.
>install a bunch of 3rd party software for a rigid clunky experience

Will the expansion be released before or after BlizzCon?

>>2047719
Weird, I just plugged in my xbox controller and it works just fine.

>>2047679
Absolutely baffling they made console version and never bothered to ad controller support to the Pc version.

Whoever made the last level of diablo 1 needs to be flogged. The mages are SOOOOOOO fucking gay

>>2047768
After and it's not even a question. Diablo is still a strong brand and Blizzard wouldn't pass up the opportunity to pump their own event as much as possible. Maybe we'll get something like a snippet or whatever during TGA but I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>2048185
No one's gonna wait that long.

>>2048186
It's not like we have much say in the matter. Unless there's some gargantuan uproar in the community but even then early release feels like a tall order. Besides with the current pace of releasing content? It'll be an optimistic scenario if they even release the expansion in 2026.

>>2048192
Shit's going to be deader than Reforged by then.

>>2048195
You don't need to convince me. Maybe this would be the bitch slap they need to finally knuckle down and start churning out long term content.

Did the dev interviews this week give you any hopes or at least you have some thoughts on how the devs approach D4 going forward?

>>2048199
I mean, not that I wanna convince you, but I just can't comprehend how they can not know this and basically not have been working on it. I'd like to think we'll get a third expac announce at Blizzcon and get it second half 2027.

>>2048213
Sure, I was trying to say that I concur.

>I just can't comprehend how they can not know this and basically not have been working on it
My guess is they work and live in their own bubble and on those rare occassions when they're exposed to the community like in these talks with Raxx or Rob (more so with the latter) they get a reality checked. And even then they still choose to work at a snail's pace. I mean any other developer would've sat down long ago and worked their ass off to redo the shit they've been shoving up until that point. But because they work for blizzard somehow that validates their current mindset of "taking their time". It's baffling to me too and I'm not even trying to wrap my head around it.

IMO in ideal world what we should get would be:
>TGA - expansion announcement & release date for spring/early summer,
>Blizzcon - further overhaul to the game and hint at another class/expansion.

I know I got carried away but a man can dream.

>>2048217
>My guess is they work and live in their own bubble
I just really want to believe that some WASP ass Patrick Bateman type goes on campus on the regular to shout at them about stock prices and shareholders and MAUs, but after Bobby left I'm not so sure they have the competence to have someone like that tardwrangle the manchildren. Although even during bobby's reign content was slow for other games and we had some of the biggest blunders ever.

But, jokes aside, there has to be at least some purely business side of things people that are constantly nagging on them, especially with how much of a flop it has been thus far. The WoW team seems to at least try to look like they're trying. Even the fucking OW2 team is doing the same. I can't imagine the D4 team isn't under the same amount of pressure, if not more, since this game is supposed to carry the franchise for the next 10 years and it has a lot of bad karma to make up for after the phones incident(which it has failed to do thus far).

>>2048212
Dev interviews are really not a good form of marketing, because it puts them on the back foot. It frames the conversation like, “What about this issue?”

We said this before above in the thread; no one asked any interesting questions. Did anyone really ask about the enemy AI changed in depth? Of course not.

But even then, just showcase it. Show a 2 minute video. It speaks so much more than a 70 minute YouTube interview where people are back and forth on the minutia of sanctification.

No one cares what autistic people are grinding out at endgame. Make new experiences and that’s it. Don’t “we hear you” to no one, like online dialogue is worth a shot.

>go into poe2 thread
>everyone talking about d4

>>2048212
As much as I'd like to say it was a good move it was only they did it but if most of the minutes were covered by their NDAs then what the hell was the point? We've heard nothing that we wanted to know or already knew. I didn't need to hear about the technicalities of skeletons not reacting to my character nor the doors being an artificially blown up issue for the purposes of an interview.

I wish we heard more about long-term activities/features that persists across each expansions and are built upon (Tower is in beta and is basically Pit 2.0) or that developers like fun and convey that sentiment through mechanics as well as polished content. This is unacceptable that they are taking their sweet time to "think on ways to bring a [seasonal] feature properly into the game". This just means when coming up with these new features they even don't think about putting some of them in the base game otherwise we wouldn't have that gaslighting. Approach like that in a always online ARPG? That's a nope, at least to me.

>>2048337
>Dev interviews are really not a good form of marketing, because it puts them on the back foot.
You won't see me spreading that kind of sentiment, however there are some people that think those interviews "humanize" or "build relations between devs and community" a'la PoE devs (sorry to bring this up agin in the thread). The difference being GGG devs have been more open from the very beginning of the first game iirc, or at least more than the ones on Blizzard's side of the fence.

I don't know why all talks were so barebones without any materials they could share. It just came across as unprofessional rather than down to earth. And like I said above, if you're contractually obligated by NDAs, which they obviously are, then don't do these kind of talks. That or they seriously need to have a talk with their marketing and legal to let them shed more light on things.

I really want D4 to be good but this is not how you build long-term trust.

When people start talking about sanctifications or whatever in interviews my eyes just glaze over. Talk about the actual interesting stuff like the supposed monster AI changes

Playing through the diablo campaigns and i forgot diablo 3 has unique intros for each class. D3 had so much fucking soul

>>2049653
but anon the SOVL in D4 classes comes in to play when you do your class dungeon :^)

>>2016065 (OP)
Is there a way to play diablo 3 offline?

>>2049653
I mean yeah, but unfuckingironically D4 has the best story and it's not even close. Sure, a bit cliche with "muh Lilith is actually trying to be le good guy", but still not bad. And, no, the asian girl and the fat black guy, and the retarded white male chud fanatic villain are not a problem. But overall we'll see if the story will end up being mid or very decent.
BTW I actually liked the part where Sanctuary is made from a demon and an angel fucking or something, although it probably makes most chuddies seethe because "muh demons should all be 2d personalities that are absolutely evil and muh angels should 2d personalities that are absolutely good, just like in muh bible" or something. (Even though that's not how shit is even in the bible, lol)

>>2049758
Ermmmm but D2 uncs tell me Diablo 2 had the best story

>>2049781
>uncs tell me Diablo 2 had the best story
They're right. Also, D2s story is told/directed the best as well. The story in 4 is just garbage melodrama for morons.

I would address that statement if it didn't come from a person, who, still, at 40yo, is wondering why he's never touched a woman. Oh, and blaming it all on the sand people, no less.

>>2049989
Diablo 2 is a fucking snoorefest, D3 is better by far if you remove the nostalgia goggles

>>2049989
4 has the best intrigue. 2 is more of like a short story. It works as a prelude to some other game that will eventually come, which probably was the intention at the time.

The story really is chasing the ghost of Marius, and the cutscenes were a spectacle to the end of the act, a reward to work toward.

If there’s some missing story element in d2 though, I didn’t see it.

>>2049758
D4 has the worst story of all Diablo games, period. Writers are some inept weird ideology pushing individuals and they clearly went too far with muh grey area on both sides. The story is boring and characters in the campaign ARE shit i.e. the asian girl, fat black guy, regular-to-good character turned drunkard (Lorath). And this is just base game, while VoH exacerbates these issue further. All other games have better plots.

>>2050510
4’s the only one that is character driven. 3 is, but the WoW writing team is there.
4 is the only game where you’re connected to the characters. You’re chasing Lilith, your character has presence, the lost son. There’s a lot of death, maybe too much as a crutch for the script.

Diablo devs I know you lurk here.

>>2050510
What does you feel has the best narrative

>>2050526
NTA, but if you care about any of the "main" characters i.e. little asian brat then you're either one of the people who created the story or convinced yourself these characters have enough weight to "connect" with them.
>4’s the only one that is character driven
Riight, for the large portion of the game and even now I can't remember that fat horadrim's name or the brat's for that matter. Fuck, outside of Astaroth, Lilith and Andariel I can't even recall any bosses from the campaign. I've played with different people and a couple friends as well since launch and all of them share the same sentiment when the topic of plot resurfaced for some reason.
You'll say it's anectodal evidence, but it's a fact that the story is run off the mill milquetoast fest. I didn't play a lot of D3 but I finished the story and let me tell you, WoW team or not, you had distinctive characters there (on both sides btw). The story had high and low points and it felt like a complete journey at the end. Later the expansion added another chapter to it and it too was satisfying. Overall from plot and character perspective Diablo 3 is and will be better than D4.

>>2050510
>>2050697
I'd ask what you're smoking, but clearly it's dicks.

>>2050526
>4’s the only one that is character driven. 3 is, but the WoW writing team is there.
You've just contradicted yourself. If D4 is the only character-driven one then by that logic D3 can't be. And if it is than D4 can't be the only one. Whether people writing WoW were involved shouldn't be a factor in that argument. That's the problem though, none of the NPCs written by D4 people feel engaging. They're annoying at best. Lorath who was a side character in the last game becomes a broken shell of a man who fucks off to who knows where at the end and his only redeeming quality is his VA - Ralph Ineson with a fantastic voice. Hardly material keep you "connected" to the character though. The girl shows resilience on par with that of Tal Rasha when it comes to holding soulstone. Why? We don't know. Maybe she's just built different. There's no explanation for it. To counter point that - Marius in D2 was driven mad by being in the mere presence of the Dark Wanderer.
If the point of the plot was to make it over-packed with plot points and have depressed and down-to-earth people in it then I give them 5 star commendation for the effort.
>>2050654
If you're asking which Diablo has the best narrative, then with nostalgia goggles on it'd be D2 but I liked D3 plot enough to put it in front of its predecessor.
>>2050719
Aislyn? Fletcher? Which one of you naughty boys is posting here?

>>2050697
You can say the same of all the games. the only real character in the whole series is Lorath. It’s the only “party” character with presence.

You can make a case for Leah too, and that’s about it. Neyrelle is a case of the story taking her role too far narratively. You don’t really need her.

>>2050755
Would you have written 4 differently? Or did the series already write itself into a corner since the concept introduced in 1 always meant the bigger threat was looming?

>>2050755
Overdosing on cocks, even.

>>2050773
>You can say the same of all the games. the only real character in the whole series is Lorath. It’s the only “party” character with presence.
Yeah, that's hard not to agree with. One of the gripes I have with his character though is that he's underused. But that's just my two cents. When it comes to Leah/Neyrelle (I couldn't be bothered to look up her name so thanks for bringing it up I guess) the former ultimately died and it hits harder when we know that she can't be brought back by any means (I think this was mentioned by Tyrone in RoS somewhere), whereas the latter gets to walk away. But like you said, narratively she overstayed her welcome.
>>2050812
With the setting they'd really have to try to write themselves into a dead end, desu. I wouldn't disregard the previous game and its plot though. The nephalem goes nuts on a power trip having grown stronger after all his encounters with Prime Evil and Malthael, and he wants to increase his power even further. Over the years he's been opening rifts to other twisted worlds that in search for ways to become more formidable slowly falling into madness. Most rifts collapse but some remain open long enough to let through unseen monsters that challenge forces of hell. Over the years Sanctuary has witnessed these unseen horrors and slowly but surely our heroes rise up to deal with the ever growing issue. This also begins to catch the attention of High Havens. While the Angiris Council closed heaven off (due to events of D3) and decided not to interfere in the affairs of mortals some angels find means to help them (cue in sth like S11 theme). It would tie in nicely with Tyrone vanishing, because he would feel responsible, in part, for leading D3 hero to this point and perhaps hope to bring him onto the right path he once walked. Maybe at the end you could decide whether to redeem the nephalem or seal him away somewhere, leaving door open. If you're reading this Rafał/Sebastian feel free to take inspiration.

>>2051735
Yeah all of that is fine and good, but NEYRELLE MUST DIE

>>2051769
Ah yes. What I glossed over in my outline was that Neyrelle would unfortunately die in the attack from those weird creatures. We'd never hear her mentioned by name though because the narration would just say "many lives lost in one of the rift incursions". With VoH in mind though we could just have her pass away unexpectedly due to corruption withering her body away. How could anyone have known this could've happened? Very sad on both counts!

Blizzard is so fucking shit
>boot up D2R
>really bad stuttering non stop
Any way to just play the OG 2 nowadays?

>>2051838
Yes, but have you tried not playing on a toaster?

this thread sucks now

Boys I found the new endgame mode to make for D4. Listen up.

You know lord of the rings the two towers? You know helms deep? That’s it.
You have like 4 people and they have to keep the 1,000,000 demon army away from the castle and one guy has to kick ladders and the rogue has to shoot people below and the barbarian has to throw tnt barrels or whatever.

Blizzard should hire me already that’s a 10/10 mode I don’t care that Immortal already does it they do it with League of Legends particle effects everywhere I’m talking about dark and in the rain million demons doing a siege.