Thread 1819561

Upcoming anime warframe
NOT a gacha anymore!
Cosmetics only monetization
https://duetnightabyss.dna-panstudio.com/#/home
Releasing October 28

>>1819561 (OP)
>Cosmetics only monetization
How are the cosmetics?

>>1819561 (OP)
>Cosmetics only monetization
That really depends on how generous they are with character shards
I think the most plausible scenario is:
>You can eventually get every character F2P with about an hour of gameplay/grinding a day
>Casuals who only do their dailies cannot achieve a complete roster
>No way to get a new character on day 1 as F2P
Pay-to-skip the grind will likely be a big part of the monetization

>>1819603
The grind will pretty bad considering the give you an option to skip it by paying.

There will be no grind, currencies that matters will be locked behind dailies/weeklies

>>1819616
>>1819619
If they're smart the rewards will have exponentially diminishing returns
>10 minutes dailies are by far your biggest source of shards
>The next 50 minutes let you get a significant amount more, but still much lower than dailies
>Playing anymore than that offers you terrible rewards not worth your time, but you can technically endlessly grind for them

>>1819603
>>Casuals who only do their dailies cannot achieve a complete roster
Eh, judging from their previous gacha model i think it's still possible for casuals to get everyone but the now grindable "dupe upgrades" are spenders territory, like requiring more shards with each upgrade.
F2Ps can probably choose whether to go for a vertical or horizontal investment thanks to all contents being permanent.
Also since your account level is now tied to your collection, locking your initial progress behind a massive grind would be retarded.

>>1819561 (OP)
This looks like kino, I will check it out. Gacha change is welcome, but even moreso is the stamina system. This shit is retarded beyond belief if you're making a 3d game and still using such a garbage system. Stamina shit only worked when the gacha game wasn't pretending to be more, when it was strictly on mobile, log in and log out.
These ones on PC using 3d assets and shit are utterly pointless if you can still be restricted by a gay stamina system and can't even use the character you just got for more than 10minutes a day.

more games should drop their gacha systems or at least give players an option to grind for the character/weapon

Will the game have a PC client or not?

>>1819656
Pretty sure they had a PC client for their CBTs

>>1819660
I'm asking this because when I looked the website it only listed EGS as the PC platform. And I fucking hate EGS...
If there's a PC client then good.

>>1819654
It's a great change but it means giving up on whales who are willing to drop thousands every banner, in exchange for dolphins who might spend $60 a month on cosmetics and convenience
I doubt the numbers add up in the favor of this change, but I hope it proves to be a much welcoming, safer and stable monetizing system even if it's probably less profitable

>>1819672
i dont know much about warframe but apparently it works for that
plus the cosmetic concepts they showed so far are lingerie and swimsuits. so this shit is gonna sell like hotcakes, for anime fans

>>1819673
Warframe is easier to.do cosmetics because its a bunch of robots I think

>>1819674
Also because pretty much everything is coop
So you get to showoff your character a lot

>>1819680
They said this has coop as well that you can do anything in the game with, and quite a lot of customization. Meme shit as welll from a video I saw a few months back,

>>1819672
gta and fortnite make money without gacha
it's pretty much upto the developers to make the gameplay fun and the character designs appealing
they can even go for variety in designs since this is not a gacha and they don't have to worry about players dropping the game because the new characters are not to their liking

>>1819672
there should be an endless use for shards otherwise the whale ceiling is pretty low.

>>1819654
No. Don't want to collect bad characters.

>>1819697
Then ignore them. You can pretty much go full female here even with the game being a mixed cast as well. You dont get spooked by undesired characters like in typical gacha progression.

>>1819690
>gta and fortnite make money without gacha
If Duet Night Abyss can get even 1/10th the playerbase of those games then it won't ever need gacha to be wildly profitable

>>1819693
No level/power cap massively favors day 1 player while discouraging latecomers, it also removes the satisfaction of ever being to fully build a character or team
If they still want the whale money then they should create some sort of "overclocking" system
>Need 5 or whatever copies of a character for them to be at full power with every skill maxed out
>Need 10 more copies on top of that for them to get the overlock boost which is a grand total of 15% more stats

>>1819701
>mixed cast
It's dead on arrival

>>1819708
Yeah just like Wuwa right?

>>1819713
>he doesn't hope they'll change the men into women

>>1819719
That's obviously not going to happen. Game comes out in two months. Also the male characters will most likely be forgotten post launch anyways. Like what happens with so many non Mihoyo gachas.

>>1819593
They showed a few summer and xmas skin concepts. At least they're actually making swimsuits and not the usual censored summer outfits most CN gachas go for

>>1819708
It will be DOA if the core gameplay isn't as addictive as Warframe, simple as that

>>1819724
>costume concept
AKA subjected to changes

>>1819701
I've never spent a dime on a gacha that has dudes
This game might be the first exception since when I'll buy the monthly/battle pass I'll know for sure that money won't end up being spent on randomly pulling some bara furry lion
This might me the only "mixed toilet" where you can completely dodge males

>>1819745
No one cares about your poorfag ass

>>1819748
Bro, I'm an idiot who spent over $3000 on gachas in the span of 4 years
At least I'm not stupid enough to spend money on premium currency that would get me some edgelord dude rather than the cute girl I was pulling for

Always got to have the culture war in every thread

>>1819690
>they don't have to worry about players dropping the game because the new characters are not to their liking
I think I understand what you're saying
Like if they want to release a character with a fire based moveset, they can go and make a BIG half-dragon woman that truly portrays what her gameplay feels like, rather than go for something safe like a pale-skinned redhead wearing a very revealing witch dress

how's the gameplay loop?
how's the endgame content?

Place your bets
Which gacha will DNA succesfully kill?

>>1819772
Nothing really since it's not a gacha game.

I hope the pig-riding girl with the big hat won't be the reddit pick
She's cute

>>1819732
>muh gameplay
Male characters = Shit game

>>1819561 (OP)
>devs drop the gacha and the stamina system
>pretty much guarantees we won't be seeing any more shitty husbando faggots after launch because without gacha they can't force you to spend money on them by making them super meta and no one will be spending money on faggot cosmetics which also means skins will go heavier and heavier on fanservice
We won so fucking hard, holy shit.
Spending hours writing essays to the devs urging them to drop the gacha monetization during both betas was so fucking worth it.
You're welcome, bros.

>>1819814
>money will mainly come from selling skins from female characters
>devs can now release all the male characters they want without hurting their revenue since waifutrannies will keep pouring money
Lmao, you're fucked

>>1819816
>they will keep releasing characters they can't market with their primary monetization avenue because... uhh because they will okay?!
Cool fujofemcel cope.

>>1819816
>skins are $30
Dead game

>>1819826
That's cheap by today's standards, we now have gacha games welling $60+ skins *on top* of the gacha banners

>>1819826
Source?

just saw the news, good news!
still two months away, sad!

>>1819654
the gacha bubble will inevitably pop and probably. sooner than later, especially with this huge batch of new games allegedly coming out.
says a LOT about how the devs of DNA view the future with this thought in mind considering they had a chance to be the first of the big new batch of games to release, and they chose to drop the gacha system entirely. could end up being excellent foresight on their part.
if this game has moderate success, wouldn't be surprised to see more of the upcoming alleged gacha games change their monetization as well.

>>1819842
>if this game has moderate success
It barely has any marketing and in japan is even worse

>>1819561 (OP)
>NOT a gacha anymore!
Are they doing this because they have no faith in the game?

>>1819842
roco kingdom is also entirely monetizing through cosmetics and mugen testers said there was no gacha banner (although it could just be because it's still in beta)
there's eventually gonna be a push to just release games that don't lock gameplay behind paywalls and strictly monetize cosmetics instead

>>1819673
With warframe almost everything is able to be monetized, it definitely doesn't just make money from cosmetics. It is hard to understate the level of convenience you can buy in it. The game is really good at breaking people who normally never would into Swiping
It also has its big cosmetics. I have no doubt if this game becomes popular it'll have it's own 200-500 dollar version of "prime warframe bundles" which if they follow warframe could also be farmed in game but the majority of players just buy it because fuck that.

will it have steam release or stand alone client? I don't want to install epic

>>1819884
How is First Descendant monetization? Since it's also Warframe clone and seems to thrive from sexy costumes, DNA might turn out to be similar to that.

>>1819807
....in bizarro world

>3 males vs 13 females
>no gacha so you can't be spooked by them
>can't brick your account unless you voluntarily go out of your way to get them
>MALE = DOA
it's funny how these people shitting on chinks so much yet behave the same as chinks.

>>1820022
Just three? Mmmmmh alright maybe I'll give it a chance.

>>1819988
hopefully standalone. shan't be downloading the fortnite launcher.

I hope this game takes the endgame or dungeon content a bit more seriously and don't try to do space teenager nonsense like warframe did.

>>1820107
Warframe balance is unsalvageable, they will never be able to make challenging content without taking away your power or resorting to something stupid.

>>1820107
They need to embrace an arcade mindset where the game does everything it can to kill you, and while it does feels unfair at first you can get good and overcome all of it
If they stick to their "easy and stress-free" approach even to endgame then the endgame will just be the same old stuff but with bigger numbers

Hellfire is the best design for me and was relegated to a 4 star. Now there's no rarity, so she should be getting some more fluff to her kit. Also has the Rhino stomp ultimate.

>>1820144
Definitely feels great that they no longer need to gimp some characters so that others can shine more
I also love that they're not scared to do unusual designs like Hellfire and Tabethe, hope we get a blue or purple skinned snake lady someday

>>1820158
I hope we get full blown monster girls, the only action game with one that I can think of is the mermaid in PGR... but since they most likely gonna just copy paste stuff from WF it's just a pipe dream, I guess they can repurpose oraxia or wisp animation for that.

>>1820144
Sibylle is my favorite, but Hellfire is also top tier design. Just these 2 designs alone sold me on the game, hope it turns out good.

>>1820199
>Hellfire looks like a female Satan and has "Hell" in her name
>Sibylle both looks and acts like a full blown villain
It's always the evil characters that have the most attractive designs

I only see official information of the PC version being on EGS. Please tell me it ain't so.

>>1820212
Sorry, the devs couldn't say no to Tim Sweeney's V-bucks

>>1820158
I hope they buff both Hellfire and Tabethe now.

>>1820212
It has its own launcher as well but it looks like it won't be on Steam.

>>1820220
Oh, that's fine. I remember seeing people play CBT but never recall anyone using steam or EGS to play it. So, having its own launcher would be the best.

>>1820222
Yeah, I was in both CBTs. I'm surprised there isn't one more beta before launch. The devs said on a stream before CBT1 that there would be one open beta test before the launch of the game.
I do definitely think they should do that because the game wasn't anywhere near ready to be launched during CBT2, especially now that they are doing such a drastic overhaul of the game.

>>1820222
yeah, usually paypigging is cheaper for game with its own launcher

>>1819561 (OP)
>wow so generous!
>game dies because this only works when you have an existing playerbase

the character designs mostly look meh
it's the game's aesthetic/theme holding them back

>>1820269
They why isnt Mihoyo doing it?

>>1820272
Why would they want to make less money?

>>1820273
>muh money
You're used getting fucked with the gacha system that you think a mobile game cant make money without using this system...
You're too far gone.

>>1820269
A game doesn't need to make ALL the money to be successful
If everything goes well then DNA will be thriving from a core playerbase who buys the battle pass/monthly, some skins and spend to get the new characters day 1
This is much healthier than whale hunting

Will (You) trust him?

>First copy of a character takes one month worth of dailies/weeklies to unlock
>Additional dupes take 2 months each
>Grinding barely makes the process faster and you cannot get a new character day 1 as F2P
>You can grind for weapons and other stuff as much you want
>Dailies do make the bulk of your rewards there too, but there is no timegate
I think that's as far as they can take it without people throwing a fit

>>1820305
if they're also as generous as WF with often giving 50%-75% discount and allow trading between player I'll fully invest to this shit.

>>1820308
They still have a dupe system? So you either invest vertically or horizontally?

>>1820308
>First copy of a character takes one month worth of dailies/weeklies to unlock
Grinding isn't timegated. You farm as much as you want. They explicitly stated this. Didn't read the rest because you are retarded.

>>1820335
I think he meant that for casualfags, grindchads obviously will get everything sooner
>>1820323
Intron upgrades should still be available because they want people to collect characters and then sell cosmetics for them.

>>1820335
Just look at how the devs decided to present their system
You'd be way too optimistic to think you can freely grind characters

>>1820308
i bet they give out 3 characters at least and the rest are for you to grind
isn't this a single-player with two bots following you around?

>>1820384
"Commissions" are just the stages like in Warframe. Defense, escort, annihilation etc. I'm not sure what they mean by "weekly commissions" because that wasn't a thing in the betas but I imagine it's just special stages that are rotated each week. You don't know the basic terminology of the game so I don't know why you're trying to theorycraft. Just shut the fuck up and wait for the game to release.

>>1820384
>p-please be worried
no i won't.

>>1820384
In the stream after showing the image talking about how you get characters he says because there's no energy you are free to grind characters as much as you want.
Hopefully we get a beta with the new systems but with how everything else is literally warframe I don't see why this would be any different.

>>1820408
There were 10+ different commissions in the last beta test
None of them were "daily" or "weekly" and the only timegate was sanergy
Now that stamina is gone, they've got 3 ways to go about it:
>Drastically reduce commissions rewards to account for players grinding them for hours everyday
>Add a daily/weekly cap to the commissions that reward letters (most likely outcome)
>Be as player friendly as possible and pray cosmetics alone will make enough money
Do you really have so much faith in the devs to think that they went from one of the most predatory monetization system to one of the most player friendly? It's safer to assume they landed somewhere in between

>>1820422
I'm not reading anything you're posting. You're clearly some gachanigger who's here in bad faith and is seething that:
1) He has to actually play a game.
2) He can't feel special by getting things others can't by spending a lot of money.

Go away. There's still plenty of gachashit for you to whale for in lieu of real life status symbols.

>>1820411
>with how everything else is literally warframe I don't see why this would be any different.
I remember Prime frames taking ages to grind and some online posts attest to that, but then there are also people saying some Primes take only 3 to 4 hours to grind. Then you've got people who grind for other stuff then trade it to buy Primes with platinum
DNA's system looks too straightforward to be able to copy Warframe in this aspect

Is DNA a ML game?

>>1820441
It's a duet lead
Both FemMC and Male MC have their own story

>>1820446
It's just two separate storylines but you can pick either the male or female for both storylines. It's a stupid narrative and I don't know why they are pushing it so hard.

>>1820405
Looking at a CBT2 livestream VOD they ended up with 5 different 4 star characters after about an hour
Now that 4 stars are no longer second-class citizen they'll probably be less generous with them, but 3 characters to start out with sounds good

all fun and good, but how's their loli game?

>>1820531
theres a loli-only race and theyre on every menu

>>1820544
very good

>>1820531
Not gonna lie to you it's pretty weak so far. You have the lunonaholes who are a cunny race but they are NPCs. There are currently 3 playable lolis and neither of them are that amazing. Two of them are potatoes and one of them is a JC loli.

>>1819857
>Are they doing this because they have no faith in the game?
Yes, just like adding skip button to a game signifies that the story is shit, obviously.

>>1820446
>>1820455
ah interesting style.

>>1820611
A skip button is a just an in game qol feature
Gacha model determines the entire financial outlook of the game and studio
How can you even pretend to compare the two?

So I can make both male or both female?

>>1820455
So I can make both male or both female?

>>1820906
Of course you can, tranny

>>1820906
Yes, it's weird because the way it works is that you have a "Charon" MC (Charons are the human characters with horns and basically all the playable characters, they have all the magical powers) and you have a human MC with the two storylines telling a different story from the two opposing sides.
You start off with the Charon story but the human MC appears to you in a dream and the human MC will be the opposite gender of what you picked but then when you get to the human MC part of the story, you can choose the gender of the MC again.
It doesn't make much sense, I think they initially wanted to force you to play both MCs but people were complaining that they didn't want to play as the twink protag so they made it so you can choose either for both stories.

>>1820916
I've read if you play male you get a female dream version and viceversa? Is that right?

>>1820947
See >>1820939

>>1820947
You get to choose both MCs’ gender. So you can do male + male or female + female if you want.

>>1820022
4 males. this one is a boy

>>1821108
I don't think they'll accomdate 4 different cutscenes but we'll see

>>1821108
does any side getting romance/pandering? if not I'll just use both feMC.

>>1820437
nah, regular frames is way harder to grind than primes, to the point they added pity shop for newer frames so you can eventually just buy their blueprints if you play long enough.

I just hope we will get actual sexy skins, not those neutered, safe horny shit that can be found in mihoyo games

>>1821197
we will, if it flop and get desperate like snowbreak and gfl2.

>>1821197
seeing as that's gonna be their main way to get money, you can bet the skins are going to be sexy as fuck otherwise no one will buy
just another bonus of changing the system like this. they literally already showed concepts of summer skins with actual bikinis and different animations, already mogging hoyoslop

>>1821109
wtf im playing your chinkslot now

The co-op in this game is gonna suck because unlike Warframe where each frame is designed to be self-sufficient in terms of energy, in this game you have support roles and energy batteries like Fushu who are basically mandatory to have in a team.
Characters need to be redesigned on a fundamental level for co-op to be good otherwise people will just stick to playing solo with a perfect support setup.

>>1821362
Just use your weapon? If it's truly a warframe clone then most abilities would be useless on the real endgame.

>>1821362
So like early Warframe? Give it few years, or months, and powercreep will make new characters busted and independent just like WF.

>>1821375
I stopped playing Warframe in 2016 but there were no support frames. The closest you got to a support frame was Wisp who from what I remember gave a team-wide buff. Besides that, every frame was able to be built in a way that would allow for self-reliant energy recharge but in this game that was not a thing and Fushu was basically mandatory for every character.

>>1821378
I'm talking way before that, when Trinity is the de-facto support frame, Frost the best defense objective frame or when Nyx/Loki/Vauban CC was in demand.

>>1821362
>energy batteries
Isn't Trinity exactly that

>>1821388
>>1821392
Oh yeah, Trinity, I guess by the time I started playing around the end of 2014 she was already irrelevant. I guess I don't know what early-early Warframe was like but in this game characters could barely function without Fushu.

The only relevant early warframe for non boss fight co-op are Mag with item pull mod.

>>1821420
Nova for faster rotation and Nekros for more loot is still relevant too.
Dang, I hope they release loot character not too long so we can farm easier.

I was looking through the screenshots I've taken during the betas and I just remembered that the upgraded katana charged attack is literally helm splitter from MonHun. It was very fun.

Didn't ppl in early access notice censored designs?

https://youtu.be/m4chwL_KgA0?si=0IE-1AOCh6CtRTKi&t=735
I saw someone notice that the illustrations don't match the models very well. In this girl's case she's a lot tamer ingame

>>1821497
1 character got censored between CBT1 and CBT2.
To be fair to the devs, some other female characters like Lynn got bigger boobs in CBT2 and they also added jiggle physics.
I'm gonna give them a chance and see where the game goes but I will keep complaining about the censorship.

>>1821512
Yes, Rebecca's 3D model is really bad. I kept complaining to the devs about it during both betas. Just keep complaining after launch. I'm sure they will eventually listen.

>character based game in ehich you will stare at the same ass for thousands of hours
>3d models all look like huge downgrades of their 2d artwork
yeah this aint it chief

>>1821527
Give it some time, bro.

>>1821514
This case is like young female and adult female, the model and the art look like of a whole different age

theyre doing another betatest before it launches.
seems like its only on the discord currently

>>1821700
https://dnasurveyherogame.wjx.cn/vm/PXcqrMG.aspx
forgot to post the link

>>1821700
>>1821702
Thanks
Takes a while to fill, hope it's worth it

>>1821700
>>1821702
Do they actually expect people to give them their real names?

Are all characters locked to "their" weapons? Does seeing the promo material of someone with a greatsword and a pistol mean they can't use anything else?

>>1822471
They may change it now that it's no longer gacha but in the beta the way it worked was that everyone could use any weapon but would have a preferred type and they would get a small damage bonus if they used that type of weapon. In CBT1 a character's preferred weapon was either melee or ranged but in CBT2 they changed it so each character had a preferred melee and ranged weapon. Personally, I hope they just remove this system.

Game is on Steam now, neat.

>>1821109
Cute shota trap.

>>1821109
would x1000 times better if it was just a girl

>>1821109
Very cute, but I'm guessing heavily underpowered as they tend to be

>>1822995
he was a 4star before if i remember correctly,
but since rarity is gone, he might be fine.

I like the fairy hebe and the octololi

>>1822972
i need proof of that

>>1822972
>>1823071
It's real
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3950020/Duet_Night_Abyss/
Hopefully it will be released simultaneously and work well with Proton...

>>1823062
>hebe
Stop using words you don't understand. "Hebe" doesn't mean "teenager". "Hebe" is an extremely tiny window of girls on the cusp of puberty.

>>1821350
>>1821109
There better be a trap maid skin.

So, what happened to this character? Was she actually made with AI? Some people were suspicious of it and it does seem a little AI generated in a few spots. Is that why they unpersoned her? I really liked the design itself.

Is this open world slop? Can my trusty 1050ti run this?

>>1823225
no and no

>>1823225
Not a full open world but it has several separate open areas that you have to teleport between similar to Warframe but you also mostly play from your base as you select stages to do like Warframe. I don't know if a 1050ti would run it.

>>1823232
But I run the hoyo games just fine

>>1823236
try running any ue4/5 released in recent years

>>1823196
I use whatever word I wanna use

>>1823245
Why do you zoomoids only know how to double down? Why can't you insufferable faggots ever just say "huh, didn't know that, fair enough" and learn? And then you whine like faggots that people can't stand you. What an absolutely dogshit fucking generation.

MMO?

>>1823314
It's like Warframe. You have a base where you can access most things and where you can queue for stages like defense, there are open combat areas that you can explore but you don't see other players and there are towns that are shared spaces but you can opt out of it and make it solo.

>>1823225
probably, i have potato igpu and was able to play on lowest settings during cbt.

>>1823326
Whats your GPU?

I do not have faith that they'll retool what were once 4 stars to be the level of 5 stars. They'll be stronger, but not all the way up to par and wont have extensive kit reworks. The only character design I was interested in was a 4 star.
All characters afterwards should be safe given they'll have been built from the ground up to be at the new level though.

>>1823375
They won't "retool" them but you're also wrong.
Some 4-stars like Tabethe and Hellfire really only need bigger numbers or slight tweaks to be on par with 5-stars and Berenica was already practically a 5-star in terms of power. I don't know about the males because I don't care about them.
Also, don't forget that abilities aren't the "be all end all" in this game.
While some characters had very strong abilities in the beta, especially Zhiliu in CBT2 who was absurdly broken, weapons alone can carry characters.

>>1823246
You need to accept the fact that language constantly evolves and that sometimes words may be used in ways that differ from their intended dictionary meanings.

>>1823347
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vega-3.c3594
it certainly didnt run well, but it was playable.

>>1823388
>muh language evolves
No, going around calling apples oranges is not an evolution of language you shit for brains zoomtard.

>>1823397
Ok boomer.

>>1823382
>abilities aren't the "be all end all" in this game.
As a gameplayfag they very much are the point. It's what makes these 3D avatars unique. If the ability is a 1 second slam that does one googolplex of damage to a single enemy while leaving you in a recovery animation for two seconds it's ass. That is an exaggerated example to illustrate the point.
>weapons alone can carry characters
A good weapon is going to look the same and act the same on anyone. If the weapon has a unique effect tailor made for a specific character, but even with it that character is shit nothing is helped by having it.The preference system they had going on before won't be significant enough unless they emphasize it to the point it's a detriment not to adhere to it.

>>1823399
Yes, yes, hide behind your zoomer NPC lines. That's all you can do you intellectually bankrupt subhuman.

>>1823401
This isn't some gachashit. It's Warframe.
Weapons are just as big of a part of "gameplay" as characters.
Some weapons will perform better with some characters than others and some characters will be more ability-focused while others will be more weapon-focused.

>>1823443
I played Warframe. Warframe was also very much about character abilities. Everything revolved around them. A Tonkor was a Tonkor on anyone.
>Weapons are just as big of a part of "gameplay" as characters.
Laughable. You can put the same gun on anyone, but you're trading something when moving between characters. In Warframe the abilities of the frame are what made them unique or fun. A slow Rhino or a Saryn spreading her STDs to the entire map was their abilities doing the work.

>>1823454
>Saryn spreading her STDs
DNA for this feel?

>>1823454
It really doesn't sound like you played Warframe. Granted I quit at the end of 2016 but there were plenty of frames that didn't have viable offensive abilities and relied on weapons like Frost, Nova, Limbo, Loki, Nekros, Wisp and you had frames that specialized in weapons like Harrow, Valkyr and Chroma to name a few.
Frames who mainly used their abilities or exalted weapons to deal damage like Mesa or Excalibur or Saryn were few and far between actually.
And as someone who enjoyed Warframe a great deal until I got tired of DE, getting to play with specific weapons or getting to play with a new weapon was just as exciting and fun as playing with a frame.
If anything, my main criticism of this game so far, as someone who played in both betas, is that character kits are too damage-focused and there aren't really interesting utility kits like Limbo.

>>1823497
Jesus christ, anon.
>viable offensive
Not talking exclusively about offensive capability. When i'm talking about upping what were 4 star kits into parity I mean what they actually do. Effects and usefulness. Nekros was my favorite frame in the game up until I stopped playing sometime in 2018 and it was solely because of his summoning and support. I spec'd them to do no damage just so I could have 30 of the fuckers on field with leashes that extended to maximum range back when that was possible. The weapon was the least important part of playing him. The weapon enhancing frames had to have abilities that boosted weapons. It wasn't the weapons themselves. The kits are what differentiated them and that has been my point this entire time. There is a reason energy regeneration shit was always in demand and they had to rework the entire potato child runes to make people stop going for Zenerik exclusively. Frames with exalted weapons were still ability frames for as few as they were, but i'm not focusing on them.
>character kits are too damage-focused and there aren't really interesting utility kits like Limbo
I would agree with you. Post-launch may be better once they sate the players that just want to see somebody summon a dragon for a single AOE blast.

>>1823479
Closest you will get for now is Rebecca >>1821514
She applies scaling DoT with her melee, she can also summon several stationary jellyfish that periodically deal damage in an AoE based on her damage that also apply the DoT and then she has a big AoE nuke that deals more damage depending on the number of stacks on the target and lastly she also gains attack speed that scales up to a certain number as long as she's attacking.
Sadly, her kit was kinda weak in the beta tho. Hopefully they buffed her.

>>1823503
>Not talking exclusively about offensive capability. When i'm talking about upping what were 4 star kits into parity I mean what they actually do. Effects and usefulness.
Damage was the primary difference between 4 and 5-stars.
>Post-launch may be better once they sate the players that just want to see somebody summon a dragon for a single AOE blast.
Yeah, playing Zhiliu was fun for about 30 minutes. Spending 70% of combat watching the same cutscene while being animation-locked wasn't exactly a fun experience but I guess that's what mobile gachatards want.
Hopefully they change her up at least a little bit tho.

>>1823219
All chink gachas these days use AIslop to create their characters, they just refine them by hand the little details they want

>>1823520
I think she's the most well received of them. Probably wouldn't change much. Not sure what they could do differently though. Some sort of charge system where after you do the animation once the dragon comes through a portal behind your character behind you for a blast every so often? The portal only showing up when it spawns in, but following you so you aren't stationary? Feel like she won't age well if the animation lock stays and is that frequent.

This game should let us change the color palette of our characters / weapons and lock the palettes behind a paywall

>>1823719
it does have a equipment dying feature

>>1823719
They should let poorfags buy it in marketplace.

>>1823719
It does. Wasn't paywalled during the beta but it might be now that it's no longer gacha and I agree that it probably should be.

WAGMI

For those who played the beta, does the story have any light moment at all? I heard it's all serious and full of suffering porn which I'm kinda tired of desu.

>>1825160
Picrel's introduction is lighthearted but yes, the story so far is pretty much suffering porn (even almost all the sidequests are either about some tragedy or end on a tragedy or a bad note at the least).
If you want I can give you the bullet points.
That said, after the first major storyline it does lighten up in a way because the bad things happen to guys, not cute girls.
The devs did expect that there will be people who don't like the story even before CBT1 because during a dev stream they went out of their way to say it won't be all doom and gloom and the story will apparently lighten up when it's outside the Hyperborean Empire.
Although the most recent trailer hinted at picrel's backstory being inspired by "The Little Match Girl" and she's from the Elysian Church so who knows...

>>1825268
What about the story presentation? I can't stand chink storytelling style like Wuwa or SB, dumping bunch of unexplained alien terms and goes on a whole novel worth of endless yapping right at the start.

>>1825335
I'm not the perfect person to ask because I generally don't care about stories in video games and I don't really play chink games but the presentation seemed fine.
I don't recall much, if any unnecessary infodumps, the plot tended to move pretty quickly.
My biggest criticism is that the first plotline is extremely emotionally manipulative which made it feel cheap.

which geniemon to go for?

>>1826529
They are some of the basic elemental 'mons that just give you an elemental damage buff so it depends on which character you're planning to get first. Just make sure you grab the shiny version.
I went with Zippyro because I'm planning to get Hilda first.
Shroomie is a good choice unless they nerfed Psyche to oblivion because Psyche was the best character in both betas, even after the nerf she got in CBT2.
Driplet is water, Lumi is light and Equinex is dark.
All that said, this geniemon won't make a noticeable difference to your starting experience.

>>1825160
Why do you act like there's so many suffering porn games? Genshin Impact is pure Disney shit and its one of the most popular gacha games.

>>1823719
>>1823741
I have mixed feelings about having colors/dyes be paywalled, leaning towards having them be free.
I get that cosmetics will be one of this game's main revenue source now. However, I think having free dyeing can also be a net benefit to cosmetics sales.
The beta already showed weapons being freely dyeable. I think people will be more confident in purchasing skins/accessories knowing that any weapon can be dyed to fit the look. And if they ever change their weapon or skin in the future, it can be redyed with no additional costs.
Realistically, would people even pay much for some weapon color palettes? Even $3 for some weapon color options feels like a hard sell. I think the amount they'd gain trying to sell weapon dyes won't outweigh the potential backlash. Light spenders would feel bad spending money just for some colors, bigger spenders will feel like each skin has a hidden fee if you want the weapon to match.
Accessories were shown to not be dyeable. Looks like they're already planning to sell color variants as separate items.
Character skins are the one part I think they could consider selling select variants with a different color palette. I don't think skin dyeing was a feature in the beta.
Perhaps they could do something similar to Marvel Rivals. Where another currency is used to unlock a different color set for certain skins. Players can either buy that currency directly or earn it for free from weekly reward/grinding, or a battle pass if they're doing that.