Nihonga edition

Notable Games:
>pastebin.com/H1KdYApR

ROM Hacking:
>Making a GBA ROM hack: pastebin.com/bvSkBkev
>DS hacking: ds-pokemon-hacking.github.io/
>Gen 4-7 tools: pastebin.com/WvTzcdPR
>Disassemblies/Decompilations: github.com/pret/
>Pokeemerald wiki: github.com/pret/pokeemerald/wiki

Pokémon Essentials
>V21.1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/7o3yjnuxniojmad/Pokemon_Essentials_v21.1_2023-07-30.zip/file
>V21.1 Hotfixes: https://eeveeexpo.com/resources/1376/

Assets:
>Tilesets: www.mediafire.com/download/sd99pug37y4v4se/Ziddy%27s+DS+Style+Tilesets+RMXP+.rar
>Archived asset library: rheg.booru.org/
>WIP Gen 5 tiles: imgur.com/a/CiudS
>Gen 3 Asset Repo: https://github.com/Pawkkie/Team-Aquas-Asset-Repo/tree/main
>Gen 6+ Sprites: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/x-y-sprite-project.3486712/

Notable fan game communities:
>www.pokecommunity.com/
>https://eeveeexpo.com/

Last >>58030470

What are some reasonable changes you would make to the friendship system?

expansion randomizer when

>>58061535
leveling up from 40+ should give more friendship than from 25-40 which should give more friendship than from 1-24, though still conditional on current friendship

>love gen2 shiny butterfree sprite
>playing polished crystal
>spend hours trying to get a shiny caterpie
>finally get it
>butterfree is fucking yellow

Great, david ruined ANOTHER thread.

>>58061891
anon, pokemon clover 2.0 is not released yet.

>>58061891
>>58061897
Let's face it bros, this niche is permafucked if it hasn't been able to surpass Unbound, and it never will because of tranny egotism.

>>58061926
I'd say Super Mariomon did something different enough that you could call it equal to Unbound in a different way.

is there a version of blaze black 2 without the changed trainer pokemon

>>58061926
unbound is the definition of tranny egotism

Trans devs won.

>>58061477 (OP)
sauce on picrel?

>>58062259
some anon in the last thread

>>58061477 (OP)
Source on OP pic?

>>58062329
...

>>58062329
>>58045298

>>58061926
Tranny egotism has already surpassed Unbound. Unbound is probably the best you can get following the traditional game formula (with Pisces possibly being an equal), but limiting yourself to that is an utter shame and an indictment to the creativity displayed by most of the romhacking community. Hopefully we're just starting to move past it, but we'll probably be filled with more slop until we receive something truly innnovative again.

>>58062696
>pisces
unfinished game

>>58062696
>Emerald Rogue
Will be outdated in due time as content from future generations becomes the new hotness, when it prides itself on having a massive variety of options up to the most recent games.
>Pisces
Rushed, unfinished, unlikely to BE finished.

Gaia 4.0 will rival Unbound. Just 2 weeks away.

>>58062933
I like Scorched Silver.

>>58062953
A new challenger has appeared!

Is it considered cheating to look up evolutions and BST for clover playthroughs?

I'm going through my first time and i'm currently on the ruse cruise.

Big fan of the difficulty scaling atm, but i'm worried that it's going to snowball into solid walls that will be difficult to grind up to after I get past the boost that pokemon evolving are offering me.

Do people actually play it without fast forwarding as well? For things like egg hatching and grinding? I haven't resorted to it yet, but I was wondering if it somehow respected your time in a way that the old games didn't.

>>58062933
>>58062953
>>58063116

>>58063609
Nice

>>58063579
not really; sure you don't exactly need it just to get through the game but if you want to know it then there's no harm in checking the wiki
https://clover-wiki-replacement.netlify.app/
>Do people actually play it without fast forwarding as well?
it's reasonable without it but you'll still probably want to speed up through grinding up new mons and whatnot

>>58062953
>>58063116
>>58063609
Unbound has an entirely new region and battle frontier with loli cup alongside everything from 8 generations. Scorched silver just looks like ANOTHER fucking johto hack, holy shit I'm going to commit suicide from the boredome, what does it have.

>>58063996
FAT FALKNER
FAT FALKNER

>>58064319
What did they do to flying bro nooooooooo

>>58064320
Haven't even played it yet, but I heard the lore is that he got mindbroken and depressed after decades(?) of being the obligatory jobber to Route 1 Joey's. You hate to see it.

>>58064341
Inb4 they did it to Bugsy too

>>58063996
I played it awhile back, it wasn't anything special.
Compared to Pisces, Johto was only mildly remixed with some additional areas or total area overhauls sprinkled in, and you still end up progressing through the region in a similar order to the actual Johto games (following the "you go left after Ectruteak" path that's become commonplace in the fandom rather than nonlinearity, of course) with mostly brand new gyms and the rare returning face, though rather than going to Kanto once more, you get a little original series of islands that aren't too special (especially on account of the fact that your access to Megas is locked to postgame, thus the postgame was tasked with hamfisting all of the Mega Stones into its dwelling, so one area is literally just a series of optional gauntlets for some of them because there were simply too many to account for).
Speaking of Megas, wouldn't know about how Meganium, Feraligatr and Johtonian Typhlosion function, but Mega H.Typhlosion was utterly hilarious because it gets Contrary, allowing you to brainlessly spam Overheat and Eruption in tandem to sweep virtually everything in postgame.
It's a dexbloat game too, so you don't really get a good feel for Johto being Johto because everyone's busting out a clusterfuck of mons from every generation up to 8+PLA.
Story isn't anything mindblowing, but your rival being your douchebag older brother does manage to remain pretty funny when it keeps landing him in deep shit.

>>58064347
>It's a dexbloat game too, so you don't really get a good feel for Johto being Johto because everyone's busting out a clusterfuck of mons from every generation up to 8+PLA.
This is what I've been seeing a lot when looking up romhacks recently. I haven't played pokemon since gen 2 and wanted to get into romhacks.

>>58064373
Why have a reasonable dex of a few hundred mons that you could feasibly balance and distribute without encounter table gore or mons being way later than they reasonably should, when you can have a thousand mons that have a lot of overlap crammed into a region never intended to support that many mons, making finding specific mons tedious and completionism a chore?

>>58064469
Yeah... At this rate I'll never be able to choose something to play. I was hoping to play something past gbc.

>>58064347
Thanks for the review, you saved me from spending time on it.

>>58064469
Instead of these retarded romhack IDIOTS making these horrible dexbloat abortions with 900 pokemon stuffed into a region that requires every route to have 15 pokemon in it, why don't they take all 8 gens and remove the shitmons like the regional bird(s), regional rat(s), regional pikachu clone, etc so you only have the good and/or memorable pokemon from all 8 gens and throw out all the trash nobody would miss like swalot and magcargo and buizel and bidoof, and then you can have a pokemon game with pokemon from all regions while having a reasonably sized dex to balance encounters?

>>58065335
every mon is someone's favourite mon anon

>>58065335
Rom hacks are the perfect opportunity to try and make those shitmons nobody cares about worth using.

>>58065558
True. Year ago I had fun beating the game with bird looking pokemon most people wouldn't even bother with.

>>58065619
Yeah. They all do something different.

Are there any good Heart Gold rom hacks? Should I play Sacred Gold or something else?
>>58065619
*Years.
>>58065628
Themes are neat, I should do it again.

>>58065335
ah yes good and/or memorable pokemon such as grimer, mr. rime, durant, dewgong, and komala
fuck staraptor, talonflame, and corviknight, who gives a shit about those shitmons anyways

>>58065619
in whatever game you played, what birds were the most important and what birds were not that important

>>58065732
You named shitmons that should all be removed.
Like all regional bugs too.
Everyone knows it and has been thinking it I'm just the only person brave enough to say it out loud. Let's be honest with ourselves, every generation Gamefreak gives their designers a list of quotas to fill. They are expected to put a certain amount of filler pokemon in every generations pokedex where there isn't any expectation of putting in serious effort to design some pokemon, just throw something out there to pad the new pokemon list so it doesn't look unfinished, while they are supposed to put real effort into making the handpicked chosen pokemon who have souls and actually matter.

>>58065930
Shimons are a form of difficulty selection.

>>58065947
It's not just about them being shitmons (colloquially coined based on gameplay viability through stats). The filler trash in the dex is also based on boring copied tropes like a route 1 bird and route 2 bug every game, and uninspired, lacking, boring, uninteresting designs like my moms bird or my moms larvae-pupae-moth. Nobody would miss any of these things, like wurmple, taillow, mothim, cherrim, chingling, lumineon, watchog, leavanny, florges, meowstic, aromatisse, slurpuff, barbaracle, heliolisk, hawlucha, dedenne, klefki, toucannon, gumshoos, lurantis, tsareena, comfey, oranguru, passimian, komala, togedemaru, and bruxish to name only a small fraction. I don't even remember these pokemon, they are literally soulless. They are lacking an animus, these are the true NPC pokemon that real pokemon with an internal voice avoid interacting with.

>>58065974
I've used most of those Pokemon in various playthroughs.
I think, if anything, hack devs should focus more(if not entirely) on the Pokemon most people overlook. Everyone's already caught a million Lucario, Charizard, and other shillmons. Give the underdogs some focus.

>>58065981
It's not about their viability being underdogs, did you even read my post? Their designs lack an animus, they are filler garbage without even taking gameplay viability into account.
>stupid shit like doduo, copy paste heads to evolve into dotrio
>magnemite copypaste to evolve into 3 glued together magnemites

>>58061477 (OP)
Are there more info on this romhack besides that image? Somewhere we can follow its development? Looks cool.

Here's the map.

>>58066034
You're stupid, because magnets attracting each other to become stronger is a good gimmick.

>>58066054
It's a retarded cope for designers being lazy and taking a shortcut to filler pad the dex.

>>58066050
Here's the Dex.
Where should I put celebi's shrine?
Im think Berry Forest.

>>58065335
>Swalot
I used one recently for the first time in the Tourmaline demo that got posted here a while back. It was a rare swarm encounter and got given a cool ability that (iirc) lets it resist water/ice/electric moves, with the trade-off of a fire weakness. Was fun to use it, and I intend on using it again when the full game drops.
Alternatively, it got a Mega form in Elite Redux that looks pretty powerful.

>Magcargo
It was given a gray shiny like Slugma and a Storm Drain clone called Evaporate in Unbound. I was planning to use one in a scalemons team with an Assault Vest in the future, I also used one in Prism many years ago.
Alternatively, it was given a cool new evolution in Elite Redux.

>Buizel line
I used to use Floatzel in nearly every single playthrough of DPPt, like the generic Sinnoh team everyone used but swap Lucario with Roserade/Floatzel. I was thinking of using it again in Altered Platinum at some point because it got a cool new blue shiny and some new tools to work with.

>Bidoof line
Was planning to use it in Elite Redux at some point, Simple + Growing Tooth (+1 attack when using biting moves) seemed like a fun gimmick.
I've also personally been "haunted " by shiny Bidoof line for years now, ran into at least 4 now from Platinum to PLA, that combined with the 2 new shinies in Elite Redux is more than enough reason for me.

And I could go on. The point being, what seems like worthless dex and route filler to you could be a breath of fresh air for someone else who's already used most of the popular shit, especially when the romhack dev puts effort into them in some way.

>>58066061
Berry Forest seems like a good idea, have Celebi send that Hypno to the Stone Age lol.

>>58066050
>>58066061
Mewtwo: Unknown Dungeon
Zapdos: Power Plant
Articuno: Seafoam Islands
Moltres: Pokémon Mansion
Mew: Birth Island or Mt. Silver
Entei: Mt. Ember
Suicune: Roaming Sevii (water walking)
Raikou: Roaming Kanto
Ho-oh: Naval
Lugia: Naval
Celebi: Berry Forest or Viridian Forest , maybe safari zone

>>58065974
>I don't even remember these pokemon,
Sounds like a 'you' problem

>>58065974
if you don't remember all those pokemon, then how come you were just able to name them all?

>>58066280
Asking the real questions.

>>58066168
Only NPCs use npcmons.
I have a soul and an internal monologue, I use Breloom and Rotom.

>>58066280
Because I opened bulbapedo to scroll through the dex looking at the pointless filler garbage to list out shit nobody thinks about except in situations like proving faggots like you wrong in this thread.

>>58066400
Ok...?

>>58066043
dunno, some anon dropped it in the last thread. don't think they posted any other details unfortunately. but, I say let 'em cook, if they wanna wait until they have more to reveal that's cool.

uppies

>>58067549
denied

>>58065930
>guys look at me i put a smug anime girl in my post so my argument automatically wins
fuck off
you will never be an oldfag

>>58067618
You don't even know who ruggarell was, summerfriend.

>>58067641
i've been here for years (plural, aka more than you) and I have not seen a single one of those condescending tranime slop posts anywhere on this site that matters UNTIL this very summer when you showed up
fuck off summerkiddie

>>58067656
Wew lad, bragging about being a post-gg/election tourist is grim.

>>58064469
>>58065335
I think romhacks having all 1000+ mons and routes more clogged than a Taco Bell toilet are gigabased... granted, they include a dexnav with some easy way to scope out each route. The whole Dexit seethe was largely in-part due to people no longer having access to every mon in the latest game(s), romhacks are the only avenue we have for that kinda thing nowadays.

r.i.p

>>58069507
To who?

>>58067664
>election tourism is the only era of 4chan you know
LARPER ALERT

>58070633
I can't believe I was being baited this entire time. Alright anon, you win. Well played, well played.

would you find it jarring to hear a track from another game in a fangame? i'm planning to use music from japan-only games (and some unreleased tracks from pokemon spin-offs)
i'm saturated with the regular GSC soundtrack and wanted to bring something new to my region

>>58070918
I like the idea.

>>58070918
meh, as long as it fits the setting and meshes with the rest of the soundtrack I think it's fine.

>>58070918
absolutely not as long as you're at least trying to not use something from the same overused sources as everywhere else
if anything it'd be a huge improvement over just using exclusively official tracks or remixes of them, that everyone's heard a gajillion times
just playing the reborn trilogy has burnt some of its most spammed tracks into my ears

>>58070918
If it bangs it bangs.

>>58071420
>STOOOOOOP YOU CANT USE POKEMON MUSIC IN A POKEMON GAME

>>58070918
that's how fire emblem romhacks tend to do it, just import random ost tracks from other franchises entirely

>>58070918
Go for it
Hearing the same thing over and over is you know...

>>58071817
the problem is when you're overusing the same few tracks or the same game in general to the point where 90% of the OST can be recognized from a handful of games
like my nigga you have a huge video game franchise to pull tracks from and you choose to just stick with the overused stuff from one game? fuck off

>>58071986
Nta but I like the vanilla tracks for every pokemon game I've played.

The best rom hack is still Vega.
Japanese people just make superior games.

>>58072189
Speaking about non english romhack, how many of them got translated?

>>58072081
fair enough, most of it is listenable at least
it's the shitty fan remixes that get on my nerves
fuck glitchxcity btw

>>58072268
>it's the shitty fan remixes that get on my nerves
I've heard some of these on youtube etc and they were pretty awful so I understand. I'm dreading the day I try playing a rom hack with remixes that suck.

>>58072303
>romhacks
you're shit out of luck, mute the game or use it as an excuse to speedup in hopes that the music will increase in quality when sped up to hell and back
>essentials
go into the game's files (folder you unzipped the game into\gamename\Audio\BGM) and replace the tracks you don't like with mp3 or ogg files (type must match, haven't tested otherwise but just use the same file type just to be safe; changing extension via renaming .oggs to .mp3s and vice versa works) that have the exact same filename
for convenience you might want to make a replacement preparation storage folder where you copy tracks you wanna use as replacements into it, then rename them to the filenames that you're replacing, then once you've got that ready paste in the replacement tracks and replace all
when you hear them ingame you'll hear your better replacement music rather than whatever eargrating and/or repetitive crap you'd hear in a vanilla installation of the game

also if you need it here's a site to turn youtube videos into mp3s for this purpose
https://s.gets-top.com/V7Akx9RKJP

>>58072320
I play at normal speed like an autist but thank you. I'll be saving your post.

>>58065974
I used Taillow, Heliolisk, and Passimian in their games. Subjectivity of what constitutes a soulless pkmn aside, I agree with you. Not every game needs every pkmn. Quality over quantity.
shit like Chingling being in a romhack wastes my time and mental bandwidth. Some people like big sloppa xboxhuge pokedexs, but I MUCH prefer a tight dex with thought put into it.
What I look for in romhacks is SCOPE and THEMEING.
Pokemon Orange is Kanto plus 100 odd Johto Hoenn Alola mons because the game is set in Pacific islands. It has an island THEME. Emerald Seaglass finds a place to slip in everybody, 3rd gen and below, in a way that doesn't stand out while not limiting access to new evos if the player wants 'em. Its SCOPE is gen 3+
looking back at your post, yea I hate Florges Bruxish, Aromatisse, Tsareena all those overly gendered monstrosities really waste space. Idk why Gamefreak designs so many ugly girlmons. Soulless.

hacking the account of odyssey to make a branch that adds a male protagonist

>>58064343
>Scorched Silver: "Bugsy? Who is that?"

>>58073482
NOOOOOOOOO

>>58073485
Pretty much. Falkner, Whitney, Clair and Jasmine are the only returning Johto leaders, everyone else is MIA without any real mention and 20 years is a long enough timeframe to not have to worry about mentioning any of the old leaders.
Jasmine in particular got promoted to Elite Four, so that's nice for her.

>>58073491
>Jasmine in particular got promoted to Elite Four
That's lame, because now she's exactly her father.

>>58073587
>her father.
Who the fuck?

>>58073590
My brain malfunctioned and I thought of Janine. I will take my cyanide capsule now.

>>58073595
Oh no, you're right on that too. They literally had Janine go through the exact motions Koga did.

What are some upcoming rom hacks that look promising?

>>58073819
There are none.

>>58073708
That's so lazy.
>>58073819
Clover decomp update :^)

>>58073819
mine

>>58065335
>trash nobody would miss
>magcargo
FUCK YOU FAGGOT I LIKE MAGCARGO

protagonists for my romhack, thoughts on the designs are appreciated

>>58073819
Tourmaline, Darkfire, Saffron, Coral, Lazarus, and Orange - Island Walker update/overhaul come to mind.

>>58074067
Very cool, kinda reminds me off The Batter from OFF.

>>58074067
>snoozeball
cringe

>>58074115
>Very cool, kinda reminds me off The Batter from OFF.
thanks! definitely had him in mind when i drew these two
>>58074187
>>snoozeball
the fuck is that

>>58073985
lmao this nigga likes Magcargo

>>58074067
The boy looks like the kid from Telefang, but teal.

>>58073819
Crown