Thread 58422359

SUGIMORI dickhead pushed Masuda out of Gamefreak, only to leave the company to work on Masters anyways.

No wonder the games since XY didn't feel like Pokemon at all. Fucking dickhead

>>58422359 (OP)
False and sensationalised title

>>58422359 (OP)
Deserved

I feel justified in ditching the IP after gen 5 ended.

>>58422359 (OP)
I genuinely feel like I owe an apology to Masuda. He may have not been a great guy/doing all the things that made the games good, but it’s a fact that the games were better before the retard younger staff ruined the games. Bet he was set up to take the fall for Dexit too.

So youre telling me x and y, sm, and sv were dogshit because masuda DIDN'T direct them? Why did they credit him as the director?

>>58422367
Cope read it for yourself
https://files.catbox.moe/fbnop6.pdf

>>58422385
sorry I mean just for x and y. But sm and sv were dogshit too

>>58422385
>sm, and sv
Are under Ohmori's name.
Xy was only under Masuda's name on paper, by then most directive decision were split up.

>>58422385
He still directed XY, the document says that he had complete control up to BW, and during XY happened the situation where he argued with Sugimori and things got tense.

Masuda was the leaker methinks

>>58422359 (OP)
So Ohmori is the guy trying to trannify and brownify this franchise.

APOLOGIZE

>>58422359 (OP)
Hoenn was dogshit.
Sinnoh was dogshit
Unova was dogshit
Can we stop pretending like Masuda was a good director?

>>58422435
All better than post XY

>>58422459
Nah USM is better than any of those games.
Legend and ZA are better than any of those games.
Stop being a sheep

>>58422475
nah, alola is the most boring dogshit ever made and both legends games are putrid tech demos for retards to roll around in copy pasted botw fields
stop being a shit eater

>>58422475
>hallway plastic 3D slop better than actual video games

>>58422487
All of Masuda's games are copy pasted slop that plays the exact same way. 0 innovation in his work.

>>58422485
MASUDA SISTERS.... OUR NEXT COPE?

>>58422516
NOOOOOOO WE WUZZ POKEMON-Hackduza glazers

>>58422505
If I wanted to play something different I'd play a different franchise

>>58422475
I like alola but it sucks compared to all the old games except BW1

>>58422485
>saves your franchise

>>58422505
Good I want to play Pokémon not gay baby’s first JRPG with friends and high school .

>>58422505
You don't need to fix what's not broken

>>58422505
>dude 4 hours of le heckin family issue cutscenes with your friendly brown rival that picks the starter weak to yours and regional food memes lmao

>>58422475
>USM
>Hallway simulator
>Zero exploration
>Shittier story than what came before it
>Legends
>Worst progression in the series forcing you to catch the same Pokemon over and over again
>Very little trainer battles
>”open world” but has a map mission select
>No multiplayer

How did you think the argument was?
>masuda-san I think this isn't quite good
>well I'm the director so the game will be good
>huh like BW was right
>what do you mean ohmori?
>BW was trash and I'm tired to pretend it wasn't
>BW is MY best game fuck off you blind and virgin nerd
>fuck YOU Masuda at least I don't put bugs in my anus

I think it was exactly like this

>>58422713
>>58422729
>>58422736
>>58422749
Your franchise is ours now, old men.

>>58422773
BW is kinda shit but Sugimori can't say shit after how shit XY was

Friendly reminder that if Masuda didn't become a control freak, Pokemon would've completely died after Yellow because the development of Gold was ungodly levels of chaotic and unproductive, struggling for so long that when Tajiri realized he wasn't going to meet his personal deadline, he had a full-on meltdown and completely pulled out, never to be seen again, and it left the already disorderly GameFreak in an even sadder state of affairs.
It was ONLY when Masuda came back, took charge, and retooled the game into the final product (with some famous help from Iwata, for good measure) that Pokemon managed to recover, and then his formula became an easy to follow template that would keep Pokemon sustainable until it could find its next big break, even if he was an insufferable cunt as the power rushed to his head.
You might not like all of his games, but he's the reason the franchise kept going long enough for you to develop new favorites after Kanto when it could've crashed and burned pathetically, with Gold being canceled and all of that new Pokemon hype marketing being a complete waste of money that proves GameFreak is not a company worth working with, therefore causing everyone else to pull out in fear of being rugpulled and having their own money wasted further.
Appreciate him.

>>58422788
enjoy your slop and filth

>>58422805
F

>>58422805
>he had a full-on meltdown
Did he really break down or was it just sensationalized headline and in reality he rationally asked for help when he realized he's out of his element? Gonna need some sources

I think Masuda should’ve directed ORAS instead of Ohmori. What do you guys think?

>>58422841
No retarded Zinnia shit? Sign me the fuck in

>>58422475
Alola is fucking trash, enough of this meme.

>>58422841
>Battle frontier
>No legendary Pokemon being handed to you
>No Episode Delta
Based

>>58422407
So you're telling me XY is shit because Masuda got bogged down in fighting Sugimori and his team?

>>58422771
We’re not replying to Alolasomes anymore. They’re insecure about their beloved babygames being dragged and lack the braincells to articulate what makes them good so they resort to baiting and shitposting, don’t fall for it.

>>58422854
this. only twitter zoomer like or give a fuck about alola.

>>58422475
>USUM
>the game that not only fixed nothing from SM but fucked up the one thing SM had going for it, the story

OHMORI THE PEDO WANTS TO MAKE MOVIE GAMES.
MASUDA JUST WANTS US TO HAVE A PSRTY OF 6 AND FIGHT WITH YOUR POKEMONS.

>>58422881
USM had way better totem battles and a larger national dex.
SM also was unfinished slop with trainer Pokemons only having 2 moves.

>>58422867
XY did sound way better before the restarted development halfway through.

So, Masuda got vindicated by history after the second batch of teraleaks happened?

With Masuda in charge Mega Pokemons didn't look like gag monsters.

FUCK YOU GAMEFREAK

>>58422973
People are way too fast in rushing to his defense and acting like he'll make some glorious return which will somehow save the franchise, considering he was quite happy to defend Dexit, directed the worst and most insulting remakes the series has ever gotten in LGPE and BDSP, and is still in a major leadership role in TPC and Game Freak, meaning he's still involved in where Pokemon's going and that certainly isn't for the better. He was credited as the supervisor of SV and Legends and a producer of SV's DLC, for example. You people need to calm yourselves and reassess reality.

>>58422359 (OP)
Question, who directed the SV DLC, that went MASSIVELY over budget, costing literally as much as PL:A, while only selling to a mere 25% of SV buyers and barely breaking even?

Because whoever that is, it's pretty obvious their the primary millstone-wearing-albatross wrapped around Gamefreak's neck.

>>58423107
>Sell fucking barbones DLC for $30
>$10M budget
>it's not sustainable

motherfuckers.

>>58423107
SV dlc was directed by two guys who had 0 director experience with one of them only starting working at GF from 2017

>>58423107
>The DLC will cost more to develop than the revenue they make by selling it
LITERALLY FUCKING HOW
EVEN 25% OF SV BUYERS IS OVER 6 MILLION PEOPLE BUYING A DLC THAT COSTS 35 DOLLARS
WHERE IS ALL THAT MONEY FUCKING GOING?

>>58422359 (OP)
Masuda's games were already super different from what Pokemon was originally behind Tajiri

>>58422406
>>58422385
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>>58422726
Ohmori got the boot too.

>>58422359 (OP)
>No wonder the games since XY didn't feel like Pokemon at all
The harsh truth is that XY felt incomplete because they are just average souless rushed games, especially compared to the greatness that came before it. For that reason GF moved on from XY instead of making the usual 3rd version that every single Gen got and left the shitty boring Kalos totally forgotten in their basement, until now with PLZA which has the chance of doing something right but we are not in Gen 6 anymore but in Gen 9. Even when it comes to Megas most people think of ORAS and the multiverse shit instead of XY.

>>58423157
So gen 10 Gaia is no longer under Ohmori?

>>58423157
Makes sense, he was Masuda's lackey and he could remotely influence GameFreak's Pokemon developments through him.

>>58422359 (OP)
Sugimori's character designs are the only reason why anyone cares about Pokémon dumbass and Masuda directed this garbage 5 years after his ban.

>>58423157
>2024
Yeah, well SV DlC is dogshit and ZA only has 150 Pokemons and gag design megas.

>>58423213
SV, its DLC and LZA were made during Ohmori's run.
Gen 10 will likely have traces of his DNA still there, but Gen 11 onward are practically guaranteed to be Ohmori-free.

>>58423139
That is an EXCELLENT fucking question.

It was a very modest expansion, and PL:A was practically from a ground up rewrite. Their price tags shouldn't be anywhere close.

They spent 2/3rds of the cost of the base game on a minor 4hr (8h to 100%) expansion.
SWSH expansion pass cost 1/6th of what they spent.

Something went VERY wrong, even if we ignore the fact that only 25% of people bought.

I can't believe these tranny faggots are trying to scapegoat Masuda

>>58422867
also because of the 3D model fiasco and nintrndo (perhaps rightfully) not letting them delay the game because the 3DS was dead in the water for the first 2-3 years

>>58423264
>tranny faggots
I'm actually a super straight biological adult male, thank you.

>>58423080
You don’t understand Japanese work culture - complain or you die. This happens a lot to older company men where they get forced out of the company and regardless still defend the company to the death

>>58423282
There is a difference between having to defend the company and still being involved in some of its absolute worst output

>>58422475
I love it when glue sucking contrarians like your retarded ass post the dumbest shit.

>>58423139
You really think they get every dollar from DLC? Most of it is expenses, I keep telling you retards Pokemon needs to sell 50 million copies to be profitable.

>>58423186
A third version wouldn't have fixed a lot of the problems with X and Y, it would have added one significant new area with a lot of replayability remixed most of the existing stuff, added some new Megas and forms and some more Pokémon to the Pokédex. If X and Y actually got the whole southern Kalos post-game stuff, it could have made a difference by allowing it to pace its content out further. But it needed more mechanics like Sinnoh to make what it did have more interesting. Not only that, but it was following the unfortunate Gen V model of a maximum of 3 Pokémon for Gym Leaders and a maximum of 4 Pokémon for Elite Four. A Z could have changed this, but that wasn't a problem in base games before Gen V. There was a clear desire to make things easier with the way the Exp. Share was changed, the introduction of Affection, immediate access to convenient EV training. I think that's a fundamental design issue that wouldn't have been changed.

>>58423297
You sound like a dildo shoving lefty.

>>58423465
>see a post and immediately thinks of his missing buttplug
Sorry about that sis.

>>58422805
Someone in another thread posted "Masuda was the step dad and Tajiri was the single mom" and it really makes sense? Poor guy took over someone else's trainwreck and turned it into the biggest IP in the world instead of a passing fad. He was blamed for every mistake, and given no credit for the successes.

Assuming these leaks are real, I unironically apologize.

>>58423472
We don't sign our posts here.

>>58423614
Okay sis. Good luck finding your buttplug.

>>58423622
We don't project here either.

>>58423682
You mean the same way you were initially projecting? lmao

>>58423186
XY was as “finished” as vanilla RS or DP. It was another barebones template by Masuda, intended for a more talented director (under Masuda’s instruction) to build a much more competent version for later on. Axing him was the death warrant for the last potential the series had left.

>>58423107
So, as a dumbass who never played SV and has little knowledge on how these things go I still decided to do some napkin math, assuming everything here and elsewhere is accurate.
Documents supposedly say SV's DLC sold 6.15 million units. The DLC costs 35 bucks, so times that by the amount of people who bought it and you get roughly 215 million dollars of money made. Likely a little lower in reality due to being sold worldwide and the different currency conversion rates so we'll round it to 200 million. The DLC cost them 1.423 billon yen or about 9.44 million USD to make according to documents, not quite at the level of Legends: Arceus at 2.175 billion yen but close.

Game Freak says if the DLC goes even more overbudget like this again that the costs will be greater than the revenue for them. To reiterate, the DLC cost them 9.44 million USD to make, and rounding down the DLC generated 200 million in total revenue. Let's be a little generous and say the point at which the DLC's costs would've overrun Game Freak's revenue from selling it is if the DLC cost 15 million USD to make, a little more than what Arceus costed. Even then, 15 million USD is only 7.5% of 200 million USD, the rounded amount of total revenue SV's DLC generated. Assuming I haven't messed up anywhere, even when you fudge the numbers a little this seems to very strongly suggest that when Pokemon games sell, Game Freak receives less than 10% of the revenue, and well, that certainly explains a few things, doesn't it?

>>58423893
least bad switch pokemon games

>>58423893
Masuda didn't direct BDSP, he just gave creative advice, because the actual director wanted to pay homage to Masuda's version ot Sinnoh.

>>58422359 (OP)
Masuda needs to Make Pokémon Great Again

>>58424043
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Brilliant_Diamond_and_Shining_Pearl
>Director: Junichi Masuda
Yeah, ILCA so wanted to pay homage to Masuda's version of Sinnoh they created unique and expansive concept art for every location that was suddenly scrapped in favor of copying DP so 1:1 that there would've been no need for any concept art. Also, do you really think ILCA would've been allowed to even imply the state of BDSP was because of Game Freak's direction?

>>58424114
You dumb faggot, check the concept art for SwSh or even XY and you will see they end up nothing like what we get.

>>58423157
>Ohmori got the boot
no he fucking didn't you illiterate retard
GameFreak is divided into 2 separate divisions.
Division 1 makes new IPs.
Division 2 makes Pokemon.
they each have their own development structure and separate power structure.
in Division 2, the game "Director" and the "Division Chief" were roles held by the same person who essentially acted as a strongman.
if you read the leaks instead of regurgitating Centro's sensationalized bullshit, you'd know that Division 2 was restructured so that the Director and Division Chief were split-up. GameFreak management didn't want Ohmori to become another Masuda and be responsible for everything. Ohmori wasn't demoted, they lifted the weight from his shoulders so that he could buckle down and actually focus on his position as Director

tl;dr Ohmori is still Director. but he's no longer Division Chief.

>>58424076
Yep. He needs to go scorched earth and fire everyone. Use the last of his power to save Pokémon.

>>58422435
do you have brain damage?

>>58424133
>pure headcanon

>>58424141
Did you generate that yourself? If so, can you generate picrel but with Masuda's face instead?

>>58424120
Most of those pieces of concept art still illustrated things that ended up in the games. Even more general style exploration art is still useful in gamedev. And you don't create concept art like this if you don't intend to use it as a guide for something. There is no reason for this art to exist for a remake that copies the original DP tile by tile unless the original plans were different.

>>58424150
open your mouth little bitch baby, here comes the spoonfeed
https://files.catbox.moe/d87wsq.png
>f-f-fanfic!!!
https://files.catbox.moe/jo3qol.pptx
>f-f-fake!!!
/spaces/dev2/pages/337674/役割

>>58424157
I’ve Run outta gens anon but just ask chagpt

>>58424315
Fuck it, I'll just photoshop it the old-fashioned way.

>>58424335
This is what you do, it’s flagging you because of the words you’re using. Show it an image of masudas face, and then say something like “Put that face on this body, changing the style and expression to match”

>>58423715
>Even then, 15 million USD is only 7.5% of 200 million USD, the rounded amount of total revenue SV's DLC generated. Assuming I haven't messed up anywhere, even when you fudge the numbers a little this seems to very strongly suggest that when Pokemon games sell, Game Freak receives less than 10% of the revenue, and well, that certainly explains a few things, doesn't it?

Development is not the only cost coming out of that 200 million.
Marketing and advertising, utilities and building maintenance and rent if they don't own it (rent is actually like one of the number one things that has been putting places out of business the last few years, profits dip slightly and suddenly they can't afford the location), insurances, loan interest if they still have any, legal fees (consultation and filing, even if there's no suits), travel (apparently devs have been vacationing TO the areas they're basing regions on, that alone could be a huge expense if they're sending basically the entire damn Division 2 team on an extended sightseeing tour).

>>58424315
>>58424335
>corpo genning
imagine not local hosting your personal clanker slave.

>>58424391
How the fuck are Facebook normies generating AI slop with this shit

>>58422749
i can't imagine how mad you get when you see a brown person in real life lol

Masuda has a wife and daughter who he gave a good life thanks to his success. Sugimori is still single at 59 and cooms to middle school girls. Never let jealous coomerpedos push you around, their opnions are absolutely worthless.

>>58424920
>Sugimori is still single at 59 and cooms to middle school girls
Sugimori is a more likeable person than I thought

>>58423209
>Sugimori's character designs
>Posts 2 pokemon that sugimori did not design
Come on now.

>>58424920
>Sugimori is still single at 59 and cooms to middle school girls.
My hero

>>58424920
>single
Sugimori has tons of underage women at disposal

>>58425212
That would be Nishino, not Sugimori. Koji Nishino is the one who groomed Atsuko Nishida.

>>58422805
I apologize, we all laughed at the bugs in anus memes, but we didn't know he was unironically the only good guy at GF, and he got punished for that

Let's stop pretending, corvidae and strix. Left and right hand alike.

Masuda did the best he could do with Gen 1 and Gen 2. Gen 3 it was all up to him. He tried, but abhorrent things were born, because that was not his fate, and thus sin was born unto the world.

Gens 4-5-6... oh. Those were just pleasure. I know too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g76irtoMus

Let's all stop playing games, and return to our original forms that were taken from us when we were born.

Masuda did his best with Gen 1, 2, and to an extent 3. I will sing this song.

<But Payload 4 is still sequencing...>

>>58423209
Best pokemon games on switch

>XY suffered because Masuda was pushed out halfway through
>ORAS and SM were only decent (Gens 6 - 7 weren't bad, but they weren't great) because Ohmori was still doing things the way Masuda would
>Gen 8 was where he became confident enough to take full control and rape the franchise forever
>PLA was a direct response to criticism of Gen 8

Of course, the question remains. If Masuda was the person keeping Pokemon from being shit, what happened to LGPE and BDSP?
With BDSP, it seems like Game Freak panicked halfway through making PLA and had Masuda "co-direct" a rushed remake of his game with the Pokemon Home devs. I really doubt that Masuda, the guy who directed FRLG, really wanted to make a soulless remaster with almost no extra content. How much control did he really have? Was it just a time issue? We may never know.
Now, LGPE is the real anomaly. Seemingly, Masuda had complete control over that one. It feels like instead of being on a real game, he was told to make Go-lite slop for toddlers (he never actually said it was because the old mechanics are too "difficult," that was a mistranslation) and did the best he could with what he was made to work with.
I really doubt that we'll get a tell-all book or something about all the workplace drama at Game Freak over the decades like there is in the comics industry, given how face-oriented Japanese work culture is, so all we can really do is speculate. On that, the Masuda situation really does remind me of Jim Shooter of Marvel -- a talented boss pushed out by seething underlings for being mean, only for everyone to realize far too late that he was actually just being a tard wrangler.

>>58425509
SM has nothing to do with Masuda

>>58425515
That's what I'm saying, Ohmori was still doing things like Masuda would (whatever that means, the leak is kind of vague).

>>58425509
>Of course, the question remains. If Masuda was the person keeping Pokemon from being shit, what happened to LGPE and BDSP?
How would you feel seeing the company you carried on your back discard you like a piece of shit. Masuda took on this projects half assed. Even then LGPE looks and plays really well and was aimed for kids starting with the franchise.
While BDSP was outsourced.

>>58422359 (OP)
holy shit i got chatgpt to translate

Ruby/Sapphire to XY

Masuda’s era as Executive Director + Head of Development + Director.

The era of Masuda’s dominance.

Watanabe was not yet an executive director, only a division head.

The creation of a first division led to the creation of a second division.

Masuda personally handled development planning, HR, PR, and game design.

Until Black/White, no one could oppose him.

But this concentration of power led the organization to run out of control.

Problems that arose:

Favoritism and unnecessary staff in HR.

Game content prioritized PR over fun.

Game design suffered.

Due to these issues, during XY Masuda and Sugimori clashed,
and it was decided that Masuda would never direct again.


>Until Black/White, no one could oppose him.
now we know while gen5 was so bad and the games have been shit im sorry masuda

>>58422830
>>58422805
Actually, we do not now for sure what happened to Tajiri and these docs here say that Gold and Silver is still Tajiri, Masuda was solo only from Crystal onward.

by the evidence we already knew we could assume tajiri dropped in the one year stop that they had in 1998.
Probably thanks to the pokemon shock, probably because pokèmon became too big, probably because yes the working environment was a mess, probably "others" were pushing them for products and shit, who know?

But anyway it appears that Tajiri worked up to the end of Gold and Silver, that being said this is only from ohmori's documents and he wasn't there so maybe that's not 100% true

>>58425519
Masuda would never put in so much fucking cutscenes and linear map layouts with so much annoying ass dialogue. Even BW didn't had as much dialogue and NPC interruption as SM.

>>58424196
Why do you bother giving retards like this the time of day? they thrive on attention.

>>58423209
Both those design are Atsuko Nishida's.
So is fellow popular Gen 1 mon Charizard.

>>58425561
Yeah, SM definitely has that Ohmori touch, but there's still just enough restraint that prevents it from being a Gen 8-tier disaster. Also, it's fucked that Ohmori caused the Dexit and had Masuda take the heat for it.

It's official, XY is part of the golden era.

>>58422359 (OP)
>Banned after creating the last great Pokemon games

Literally died for our sins.

F

>>58425785
Calling XY the last great Pokemon games is a little ...
Masuda didn't direct B2W2

>>58422475
don't answer to obvious bait you retards
herbing your pathetic attempt

>>58425767
Only half of it, it could have been worse of Masuda had 0 control over it's development

>>58424120
>You dumb faggot, check the concept art for SwSh or even XY and you will see they end up nothing like what we get.
XY's art is basically the same as the final game.
BDSP could've taken the ORAS route with its graphics at a minimum...

>>58422359 (OP)
Nobody can ban him from anything. He basically controls both TPC, GameFreak and Nintento

>>58425854
>Perspective is wrong
>Colors are wrong
You have a very strange notion of things being "the same", anon

>>58425515
Masuda composed the E4 and Legendary theme and also went around doing PR with Ohmori, retard
It's funny how the narrative until now has been that Ohmori was Masuda's hand-picked protégé who does things the Masuda way because he's subservient to him. But suddenly Masuda's hands are clean now.

>>58425917
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of scapegoats?

>>58425947
The scapegoat that everyone on this retarded board fell for lmao.
In 10 years time, we'll get "Ohmori was trying to salvage it and Iwao is devil incarnate", just you see

>>58425982
Yeah, we all fell for it sadly