Thread 11804831

Back in the retro days, was there a general excitement among gamers to hype up Bethesda games starting with Morrowind? And did you or others feel let down when Oblivion didn’t quite live up to those expectations?

>>11804831 (OP)
morrowind wasn't hype on release (except maybe among CRPG fans) but its release on Xbox gave it some growing momentum and appeal
Oblivion was hype on release and lived up to it

>>11804847
>Sloplivion lived up to the hype

>>11804924
it did. you obviously weren't there or you'd know that. people ate that shit up.
I preferred Morrowind, and I was in the tiny minority of people who did.

It's funny seeing zoomers have revisionist history from dozens of hours watching contrarian youtubers

it just works!

>>11804831 (OP)
No one knew or give a shit about morrowind zoomie

>>11804969
on release this is true, but its console port gave it a hefty bump in visibility

>>11804831 (OP)
>Back in the retro days

>>11805037
what's wrong? fyi, retro days are a period in the gaming history that lasted between the last decade of the 1900s and the first decade of 21st century.

>>11805064
How are you on this board and also confidently posting false claims like this? Are you one of those people who think this place is for discussion of 90s games only?
>InB4 "earlier games don't matter!", completely proving my point.

>>11805103
games before the 90s were like barely games though. like pong and shit. not much to discuss there

>>11804831 (OP)
Oblivion and Fallout 3 made Bethesda.

>>11805115
>games before the 90s were like barely games though. like pong and shit. not much to discuss there
Kys retard

>>11805137
why? i'm right.

>>11804831 (OP)
>Back in the retro days, was there a general excitement among gamers to hype up Bethesda games starting with Morrowind?
i feel like the hype for bethesda's games didn't start until either oblivion, fallout 3 or skyrim. sure morrowind was the first "modern" TES but oblivion being a launch title for the 360 definitely pushed the series into the mainstream limelight more.

>And did you or others feel let down when Oblivion didn’t quite live up to those expectations?
the only people i've ever met who were disappointed by oblivion were on 4chan. outside of 4chan i've met way more people who were disappointed by skyrim or fallout 4.

>>11804943
gaming youtubers are unironically just as bad if not worse than game journalists imo. they're just a bunch of faggots trying to emulate cynical youtubers like RLM.

i miss when they were all trying to emulate AVGN.

>>11805146
Contra or Megaman are "barely games".
You don't belong here, gtfo

>>11805183
contra is a meme that only tranny speedrunners play and mega man is gay.
gaming didn't get good until the 90s, that's just a fact.

>>11805037
Back in the boomer era

>>11805037
batman begins the videogame and the film are 20 years old.

>>11804831 (OP)
The Oblivion hype was huge and expectations were wild. At launch people enjoyed the game but were also disappointed at how much of the game had been gutted (Radiant AI being completely dropped for one). There was also major complaints about the level scaling and oblivion gates. When Fallout 3 was shown off it was dismissed heavily for just being "oblivion with guns". The game was less well received than Oblivion was. Skyrim managing to turn things around for Bethesda and become a cultural landmark was a stunning coup for the time.

>>11805115
What? There's tons of in depth games from the 80s. You just don't have the capacity to enjoy something that doesn't give you instant gratification dopamine rushes. Elite is from the 80s as is Ultima. Those games alone are more in depth than any early 90s console games. Pacman and donkey Kong are still fun games and you're just showing how retarded you are.

>>11805285
>The game was less well received than Oblivion
Didn't it sell and review better, while reviving the Fallout franchise? I remember the massive interest in it.

>>11805330
People get confused when they try to remember responses for old things and extrapolate their own circle's opinions to a wider scale.

I remember fans of Morrowind were disappointed and "hardcore" crpg players never really cared for elder scrolls/bethesda in the first place, and they also panned it. Original Fallout fans also hated it. All three of these groups were relatively small, but seemed significant because they were the existing audience for that type of game.
The game ended up selling well because it tapped into the more mainstream market which had previously never heard of or touched the genre. So in the end you have these contradictory accounts people have formed where the game was super unpopular and majorly panned but it was ALSO very popular and sold well.

>>11804831 (OP)
Morrowind was/is a great game. hype existed after it was released not before.
Oblivion was a shameless consolized cash in and a humongous slap in the face to Morrowind appreciators.

>>11804847
>Oblivion was hype on release and lived up to it
>and lived up to it
least true statement ever posted on /vr/

>>11805121
incorrect. Morrowind saved and made Bethesda.

>>11804928
incorrect. people bought it and played it but everyone felt how crap it was compared to Morrowind.

I was on /v/ when Oblivion came out living vicariously through screenshots because my awful family prebuilt couldn't handle it, people mostly enjoyed it, tons of 'MORROWIND IS BETTER' of course, people really liked that one dark elf that asks about the fine for necrophilia.

>>11805303
>Pacman and donkey Kong
barely games lol
they just repeat the same screens over and over, that's how little content they have

>>11805414
>>11805418
>t. larping zoomers who weren't there

Why does the fan base always forgive the pos hack in charge of Bethesda whenever he falls short of his overambitious promises? It’s only Todd Howard who gets way less scrutiny compared to people like Kojima.

>>11805491
This will be my first and only reply to you (I only wrote the initial post >>11805103 that spawned your self humiliation ritual), but I just wanna say thank you for proving my point that you're as much of a /vr/ gamer as a NASCAR fan is a car enthusiast. You enjoy your spreadsheet sims with an okay story while I enjoy my tests of skill that are "barely games".

>>11805675
you seem upset

You can nitpick Morrowind but unlike later games it wasn't gimped in the various ways. If you could somehow take that world and give it better AI for both NPCs and baddies, and do the physics instead of objects just being static, it could be amazing. No matter your thoughts on Skyrim after the fact, back in the day when you unleashed a fus-ro-dah on some tavern and blew everybody's meals and beer everywhere you were blown away too.

>>11805418
You know what, I'm going to let your revisionist post completely overwrite the memories and experience I had being their first hand.

I already answered this is a previous thread

I don't see how anyone who played Morrowind, was hyped up for Oblivion by the screenshots and teaser trailers, and then played the game weren't disappointed at least moderately.

I mean its an ok game, playable enough the guild quests aren't too bad but it really felt like a big leap down from Morrowind in a lot of ways. I really hate the dungeons in this game.

>>11804831 (OP)
I remember one review at the time saying
>Oblivion at last delivers on the promise made by TES series
(reviewer thought previous games were good but flawed and not quite there yet)

>>11805747
>I don't see how anyone who played Morrowind, was hyped up for Oblivion by the screenshots and teaser trailers, and then played the game weren't disappointed at least moderately.
that's because you weren't there.

>>11805713
Daggerfall had a better character creation and a more diverse magic system. It's true that every iteration since daggerfall was gimped in rpg mechanics while Morrowind did raise the bar in location detail and quest/lore writing, oblivion peaks with quest writing, but only a few of them beat Morrowind interesting and detailed writing in exchange for more compelling storylines and Skyrim has the best overall world to explore. I know Skyrim gets hate, but I still think it has the best atmosphere, some of Skyrim dungeons are really nice too.

>>11805812
>Skyrim has the best overall world to explore.
yeah I sure love generic auto-generated bandit cave #451
what a marvelous world

>>11805814
Oblivion was worse, it's barebones dungeons are absolutely a slog to explore after a few and Morrowind dungeons are tiny little burials or convoluted dungeons akin to daggerfall. And to note I said some of Skyrim dungeons are nice, I'm moreso talking about the overworld being very nice to travel through. I really liked skyrims dwemer ruins though, they were fairly unique, not the bandit caves or ancient nord dungeons which were boring after a few, similar to oblivion. I will say that oblivions aylied ruins were cool, but same problem as skyrims ancient burial grounds, too many similar aspects. I actually find daggerfalls dungeons fun, not to play one after another, but I sometimes boot up daggerfall just to get lost in a crazy convoluted dungeon for a few hours. Arena has very nice maze style old-school dungeons that are bready good, but dungeons like the labyrinthian in Skyrim are top tier dungeons. Better than most games can muster. I actually can't think of a dungeon better than labyrinthian.

>>11805115
885 is the first year where the conventional design and structure of videogames as we know them came to be. 1985 had a ton of great games like Ghosts N Goblins, Super Mario Bros, Tiger-Heli, Gradius, Gun.Smoke, and Space Harrier that still hold up really well today

>>11804924
Oblivion was very well received and very enjoyable.
There's no point in wasting time trying to pretend otherwise.

>>11805675
>(I only wrote the initial post >>11805103 that spawned your self humiliation ritual
guess what you never replied to me after >>11805103, missed the joke completely, and kept being a lolcow.

>>11804831 (OP)
If you played Oblivion back when it came out, you were one of the cool and rich kids, because it was demanding as fuck to run on a PC.

>>11806385
It was an early 360 game, too

Don't know about Morrowind... But Oblivion hype was huge.

>>11806385
I remember using Oldoblivion utility back then, but I could still run it okayish without it.

>>11806385
I played it on Xbox originally.

>>11805115
You probably mean that pre-16 bit era games are shit, and while I would say most of them are there's still plenty of amazing games from the 8-bit and even prior eras.
The real thing is how the 16-bit era was filled with nothing but good games, you grab any random SNES game and there's a good chance it's gonna be a good game, with the Genesis it was less likely but still over a 50% chance you had a sick ass game. That's not even counting the other 5-6 systems that all had unique and fun libraries of their own.

Pong is based kys faggot.

>>11804831 (OP)
I was disappointed that Oblivion felt like such a downgrade in terms of RPG elements and world compared to Morrowind, but I got over it and enjoyed the game. Wound up putting more time into modded Oblivion than I ever did with Morrowind. Not retro but Skyrim was even more disappointing and killed my hope for the series.