Thread 11812897

Sega Master System games have better colors than NES games

>>11812897 (OP)
They're too saturated, NES games look better in most cases. And the sound chip is awful. No one ever posts SMS games in music threads for good reason.

MS hardware is better than NES is not even controversial

Color count: 64
Game count: 0

>>11812897 (OP)
It does technically look better obviously, but there’s something about how a lot of Master System games look that feels so stock and boring somehow. This definitely doesn’t apply to all, I like how the Sonic games look, and the first person effect in Phantasy Star was pretty cool for the time.

>>11813027
>there’s something about how a lot of Master System games look that feels so stock and boring somehow
its because the entire MS library is "NES at home"

>>11812931
t. only plays on emulator hooked on a flat screen.

>>11812897 (OP)
No, they have access to larger on-screen palettes, which isn't the same thing.

Only a minimal portion of a much smaller game library actually managed to prove its technical superiority over the NES in any way (and I say this as a former Sega kid who owned and loved the System).

>>11812897 (OP)
>SEGA, it does better than this other thing, you know.
story of sega in a nutshell

>>11812897 (OP)
it's funny how there's four (4) Simpsons games for NES when it can't even display a good yellow

>>11813226
"In potentia" superiority not actually reflected by reality is a core trait of the Gen X and Millennial mindset, and probably of younger people's too by this point. They appreciate the victories they can get, even if they're basically made up.

>>11813242
Take that back

>>11813242
kek

>>11812897 (OP)
Master System really got fucked over by Nintendo's tyranical bullshit. Straight up PC Engine tier graphics in 1985 is insane. Imagine if anybody but SEGA was allowed to develop for it.

>>11812897 (OP)
Master System really got fucked over by Nintendo's tyranical bullshit. Straight up PC Engine tier graphics in a 1985 home console is insane. Imagine if anybody but SEGA was allowed to develop for it.

>>11813269
Dr. Social could beat Simon Belmont, change my mind

>>11813242
Enough colors to work with.

>>11812897 (OP)
NES had a way better sound chip, and most Master System games ran terrible because developers pushed out as many large, detailed sprites as possible at the expense of performance.

>>11813039
...So where else would you play a NES?

>>11813395
All right anon you win this round

>>11812897 (OP)
But do the Sega Master System has better colors than the NES? Hardly: the blacks and reds are nicely contrasted with gray and white for an objectively superior aesthetic.

>>11813242
The "no yellow on NES" is an American problem. Anyway, emulation wins as usual.

>>11813242
No such thing as a good yellow.

>>11813215
>>11813257
These games look better to me
>>11813429
This looks worse.

>>11813395
With your friend at his house

>>11813395
At the automobile shop while waiting for your car to be repaired

>>11813395
In your one bedroom hotel room with your boy...male friend

>>11813395
On stage next to some autistic kid who's really into dinosaurs

>>11813395
At the office

>>11812897 (OP)
No one cares.

>>11812897 (OP)
The way the use the colors is puke worthy, most of the time that is.

>>11813269
>Straight up PC Engine tier graphics
Let's not overstate.

Basically looks and feels like a 16-bit lite game.

>>11812897 (OP)
It's crazy how many Master System titles look damn near 16-Bit for early 80's hardware, SEGA used to be truly special.

>>11814234
They look very 8bit. NES isn't what most 8bit games look like.
>>11812931
No one posts SMS game music because no one made SMS games.
https://youtu.be/O_hSv9paWmM?t=616

>>11814152
>Basically looks and feels like a 16-bit lite game.


I think the Game Gear version looks even better, despite the cropped screen. The Game Gear is a enhanced Master System in a few different ways. The Game Gear can display the same amount of colours on screen as the Master System, but has a 9-bit colour palette of 4096 colours. The Master System is limited to 64 colours total and is limited to much more primary colours. I think the Game Gear has some enhanced diagonal scrolling and sprite flipping. But otherwise it is identical hardware.

https://youtu.be/xH1gHd_Nniw

https://youtu.be/XWwgY2CVKTE

>>11814152
>Basically looks and feels like a 16-bit lite game.


I think the Game Gear version looks even better, despite the cropped screen. The Game Gear is a enhanced Master System in a few different ways. The Game Gear can display the same amount of colours on screen as the Master System, but has a 9-bit colour palette of 4096 colours. The Master System is limited to 64 colours total and is limited to much more primary colours. I think the Game Gear has some enhanced diagonal scrolling and sprite flipping. But otherwise it is identical hardware.. The Game Gear is backwards compatible with the SMS.

https://youtu.be/xH1gHd_Nniw

https://youtu.be/XWwgY2CVKTE

>>11814305
I think the Master System clears it bro, sorry. Love the Game Gear but SIMS wielded the Master System like a katana folded 10,000 times.

>>11814374
>I think the Master System clears it bro, sorry. Love the Game Gear but SIMS wielded the Master System like a katana folded 10,000 times.

I'll admit the SMS version looks pretty good up against the Game Gear version. But I still think the Game Gear has better looking colours overall. The Game Gear and Master System still displays the same number of colours. 16 colours for the BG layers and 15 colours for the sprite layer. The extended 4096 colour pallet really makes a difference in some cases.

https://youtu.be/oI_Wi3EKeRk?t=949

https://youtu.be/67tnHzcKyOM?t=57
https://youtu.be/UwQLYVlnPwM?t=51

https://youtu.be/CWQ7vVuZT08
https://youtu.be/9qGnQ11W_do

https://youtu.be/auRr5UIb_2Y

>>11812931
i too think nes games look better in most cases, also agree that most sms games have terrible sound. there are some with excellent sound though, sonic1, and some other games too. not sure though, if this is about some kind of special chip in those games with good sound or if only few programmers knew how to make or bothered with making a good soundtrack for their sms game.

>>11814432
The SMS has an FM module, a lot of games do sound better with it. But you'll know immediately if it is using it.

Yes, it was also released later than the NES.
NES still had the advantage and it's why it has tons of 3rd party masterpieces while most of Master System's best offerings are first party. In a way, Master System was a bit like the N64 of the 3rd gen, although even N64 had more third party games.

>>11814546
Well yeah, Nintendo required third parties to not work on the competition so that's why they didn't make games on SMS. I think it's a real shame, would have been fun to see more third party software.

Did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>>11812897 (OP)
And it couldn't use them for anything other than garish mess most of the time.

>>11812897 (OP)
>strip of carpet worn down from pausing SMS game
Two extra buttons can make all the difference.

>>11812931
I enjoy the graphics and music of SMS games but only in small doses. They really are garish in a way that eventually takes me out of the immersion.

>>11815295
>he doesn't have a pause stick

>>11815295
Well, to be fair that was common then, many people kept their consoles nearer than what we're used to now, even the OG Famicom only had the buttons on the 1st controller, it wasn't widespread yet... though it's a shame how even in design revisions they kept this issue... except in Brazil with Tec Toy, of course. Tec Toy knew what they were doing more than SEGA themselves did.

>>11812897 (OP)
Let's suppose that's true. I'll grant it. It still had a fucking wire coming out of the side of the controller - one that's four feet long and no start and select buttons - just two buttons that'd you'd use for gameplay. If you want to pause the game - you better get up and and hit that pause button.
Also, look at that atrocious design. Really a poorly made block diagram and call it a /Power Base?

At least these days... emulation sort of redeems some of that by moving it your controller and not having to look at the poor design choices. So... enjoy your better colors then.

Also the only reason it never sold as well in U.S. is marketing and NES hype.

>>11812897 (OP)
I really want to get into master system but like
I feel like there's no games that really offer anything that i'd be so gungho about.
Off the top of my head, shinobi, choplifter, and r-type is really all I can think of.

>>11812897 (OP)
like what colors
nes had red, green, blue, yellow even purple

>>11816565
It doesn’t have the most expansive library ever, but there’s a decent amount of good shmups like Fantasy Zone. Ninja Gaiden is also good.

>>11816565
I'm glad you've asked, anon!

Aladdin
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
Asterix
Asterix and the Great Rescue
Asterix and the Secret Mission
Batman Returns
Black Belt/Hokuto no Ken
Bonanza Bros.
Castle of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse
Choplifter
Deep Duck Trouble starring Donald Duck
Dynamite Headdy
Fantasy Zone
Fantasy Zone II: the Tears of Opa Opa
Goldex Axe Warrior
Jurassic Park
Land of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse
Legend of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse
Lucky Dime Caper starring Donald Duck
Master of Darkness
Ninja Gaiden
Phantasy Star
Rambo
Rastan
Shinobi
Sonic Chaos
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Wonder Boy
Wonder Boy in Monster Land
Wonder Boy 3: the Dragon's Trap

It's a stellar library that's sadly overlooked for the most part, I hope you can find something to like, anon!

>>11816796
ah forgot about ninja gaiden, fantasy zone is a bit eye-rapey for me though.
>>11816964
I have a very large genesis collection and plan to use the powerbase, I know some games are different on the master system, is there any game on this list that's the same on the genesis that I could pass over?

>>11818748
It's not that they are different, it's that the mega drive adapter does not provide the pause button that was on the master system itself. For most games that's fine but there are some were it is actually used for menuing.

>>11818764
it does have the pause button

>>11818764
I also meant games that are their own game despite being named the same as a genesis counterpart, like I have no idea if castle of illusion is different vs the genesis version

>>11818771
Huh. Guess I misremembered.

>>11818776
Yes, the Mickey games are different but both good. Then there are some downports from MD to MS such as wonder boy in monster world, which are neat as a concept but not very good. >>11816964
This list is solid, though.

>>11818784
good to know, i'll emulate and see what sticks and make a list from there vaguely based off this list, thanks.

I got filtered

>>11818764
wait, they dont let you use the start button on the genesis controller for that?

no one (who mattered) played the master system thoughever

>>11818748
The only thing on this list to note is that Wonder Boy in Monster Land requires the Master System controller, the Genesis pad doesn’t work properly.

>>11819436
Afraid not, you’ll have to make a whole new couch imprint.

>>11819447
It's a good console, anon.

>>11816565
Atop of what this anon (>>11816964) has said I would also add:
Golvelius: The Valley of Doom
Lord of the Sword
Master of Darkness
Miracle Warriors
Psycho Fox
Ys
All fun games that do something differently to what you may expect upon first booting them up

>>11820440
Psycho Fox just looks like Kid Kool, a subpar NES title, is it actually any better?