Thread 11839865

Was Twin Snakes the most pointless remake ever?

>Are remakes the most pointless thing ever?
fixed that for you.
and your answer is, yes.

>>11839865 (OP)
It allowed nintendbabies a chance to play previous gen kino

>Snake jumping over rockets in cutscenes
You didn't see that on your granpa's Playstation.

>>11839865 (OP)
I enjoyed it. Is it better than the og, nah, but if you’re a fan of the series it’s worth a playthrough. This and melee is the only reason I got a gamecube at all during that gen.

nah, the jump from 5th to 6th gen was huge. this is why people were begging for an FF7 remake a few years after it came out.

in my experience yes. it added nothing of worth besides the thermal keycard shortcut and ruined countless other things

>>11839870
LCD monitors replacing CRTs is the only reason remasters became so popular
>dude this low-effort remaster looks like how the game did in my mind back then!
after trying to play the original 480i release on a 4k monitor that is lazily upscaling it and not realising it looked much better on the old family crt that is currently rotting away in some landfill

>>11839865 (OP)
Not pointless. The original aged like milk

>>11839865 (OP)
It is really shocking how terrible that remake looks compared to the original. No detail at all. Common problem with remakes is they have some B team or outsourced studio that doesn't give a shit.

>>11840130
It's less that they don't give a shit and more that they are either underfunded/given shitty deadlines for the job or just plain untalented and thus cheap to hire. Occasionally you will get some studios that aren't necessarily untalented or on crunch time but think it's a great opportunity to put their own spin on things which usually ruins what people liked about the originals.

>>11839865 (OP)
I like the idea that Twin Snakes is the VR mission recreation of the Shadow Moses incident which Raiden is simulating, but that's just making excuses for a crappy stupid remake at the end of the day.

>>11839865 (OP)
>pointless
How can you say that?
>Shove it into a sonyfags face
>Look how mad they get.

>>11840124
>480i

>>11840347
That wasn't a scenario specific to MGS1 or PS1 games which commonly displayed at 240p, but the post which was talking about remasters/remakes in general.

>>11839865 (OP)
No.

>>11840440
Ferrari Testarossa replaced by a Mitsubishi Eclipse

>>11839865 (OP)
Can you articulate a single reason the remake is actually bad other than the fact you are 50 years old now, played the PS1 original and like it more?

Like why wouldn't you want a good remake with updated graphics? Plus this is on the GC, Playstation got the major MGS releases as exclusives. So if you had the GC you could still play this and if you wanted a remastered version of the original on the PS2, well I guess you couldn't. Plus this game was overseen by Kojima and Konami, it's not some jank bootleg remake. Opinions like this are baffling.

>>11840480
>with updated graphics
The problem is that the remake looks worse than the original. It may pack more polygons and effects, but it's uglier and butchers the atmosphere. If you take a look at the comparison and OP and you don't get it, I'm afraid you'll never get it, little soulless man.

>>11839917
>jumping

Springboarding.
And it's Kojima approved.

>>11840335
Sour grapes never tasted so sweet.

>>11840487
>It may pack more polygons and effects, but it's uglier and butchers the atmosphere
I never got this. I think the original is *the* best game ever made. Understand that the PS1 hardware is limited and things like fog and such are to reduce draw distance. The original is a little bit darker and I'll give you that but it's also a bit subjective. Some people may find the better graphics and abilities like first person to be MORE immersive than the original.

The remake looks similar to MGS2 visually.

>>11840501
The color is gone, nigger. Blue rooms? turned grey. Green rooms? turned grey. Orange rooms? turned grey. MGS 2 has more colors than the travesty of Twin Snakes (more like Grey Snakes!)

>>11840149
Yeah it's a good head canon. I also like twin snakes it's fun

>>11840501
Nope, MGS2 had very deliberate, detailed texturing like in MGS1 while siliconefags slapeed random textures on everything like it's marryo 64

>>11840509
>Original is various shades of gray
>New one is shades of gray
???? The original one also had PS1 texture warping and low resolution textures plus short draw distance. Look how blocky and pixelated it is. The remake uses cleaner textures but to say there is less detail is flat out wrong.

I can understand liking the grittier look of the original, I like it too but honestly I never even noticed until this thread. But saying the remake is pointless is retarded.

MGS
Ryuhei Kitamura?
No.
Twin Snakes
Ryuhei Kitamura?
Yes.

Thanks for playing. At least you tried.

>>11840509
>entire game is gray
>defeats his entire point by posting >>11840518

??????

>>11840518
Why the fuck is this so blocky and pixelated, is your point that it looks more like the PS1 because of that?

>>11840537
Shit I thought that was from the PS2 version at a glance. Kek why does the GC look so bad here? Typically it's much cleaner.

What attracts trannies and fags to mgs2?
https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid2mc/mods/69
https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid2mc/mods/7

>>11840509
I'd have to see more examples to refresh my memory wrt color
BUT
The main problem isn't color. It's contrast.
Lack of painted lights in the textures.

Twin Snakes is fine, but the original is better in every way. Except you can't play it on a GameCube I guess.

>>11840535
The point is: it looks like shit

>>11840535
You're confusing two different anons. Also, the bathroom in TS is bad devoid of any ambiance (original's is greenish)
>>11840551
The first one has actual art direction and I feel gaslit by fuckers saying TS looks better. But it might be just the usual Nintendo fanboyism.

>>11840549
Raiden's dick and ass, clearly

>>11840552
Why are sonyfags so hopelessly delusional?

>>11840552
It's kind of hard to take someone seriously who says that a PS1 game has more detail than a GC game.

>>11840563
>le new is le good

>>11840549
>modding

Not the question you should be asking on my retro games forum, fag.

>>11840549
lmao I was not expecting that, thought it would just be the tranny fag placed somewhere in the game

>>11840569
And now we've entered the "LE" stage, when you've soundly defeated and resort to talking like a memelord from 2014.

>>11840572
>fag
meant flag, but it still kind of works

I had fun with it on the weekend that I rented it. I cleared the game on hard several times that weekend. I don't think I play a MGS game on extreme until MGS2 though.

>>11840578
Memelords have feelings bro. Why you gotta be so rude and harsh and correct like that bro

>>11840578
>ad hominem

>>11840569
So little detail compared to the PS1.

Honestly I feel bad because it's like I'm talking shit on MGS1. Really I'm not. The GC version does have a cleaner visual style but it lacking detail is false. I think the PS1 version is timeless, classic, original but the GC version is a good game and definitely not pointless.

Presented without context.

>>11840552
Right: Alaska idealistically depicted
Left: Alaska realistically depicted

What's the problem?

>>11840590
>lacto uno argumento
>no retro

>>11839917
>>11840498
>a series known for the supernatural, cryptids, cyborg ninjas, mecha & pro-wrestling senators and a whole mess of other hokey goofy shit that nobody really complains about.
>matrix cutscenes are the straw breaking the camel's back for their suspension of disbelief
like you can at least argue that FPS aiming and other MGS2 mechanics breaks MGS1 but the "muh cutscene" argument is just a retarded hill to die on when you consider all the bullshit that came after MGS1.

there would've been an argument if the rest of the series after MGS1 was still just as grounded.

>>11841596
>pro-wrestling senators

>>11841596
>MGS1
>grounded
It literally had shamans with magic bird tattoos, telekinetic psychics, evil clones, and high-end military hardware intentionally designed with flaws to make them more anime.

>>11841615
All of that exists in real life

>>11840480
The controls are weird. I’ve played through it 2-3 times and would still constantly press wrong buttons. Every game prior to 4 had odd or bad controls, you’d think a remake would at least try to improve them but they somehow made them even more awkward.

Plus the commonly cited cutscene problems. Back flipping off a rocket is dumb but the one that irked me the most is when Snake is eavesdropping on Liquid outside the keycard room on the top floor of the Rex hangar, he does a somersault over the door frame just to change cover from the left side to the right.

>>11839865 (OP)
Fuck no. The graphics was a huge improvement.

>>11841612
The part where the president is actually Solidus Snake and you have to beat the shit out of him on top of Federal Hall in Manhattan while he dual wields katanas wasn't simply one of the most kino moments in gaming. It was one of the most kino moments of all time.

>>11841710
It was clearly stolen from spide- hold up...

>>11841596
>Oh wow so apparently fireballs, orcs, invisibility rings, flying wraiths, and a ghost army is okay, but if I want to make Gandalf do a backflip while screaming "Fuck You Motherfuckers" and flipping the bird, SOMEHOW that's "tonally inconsistent". Yeah Dude uh-huh sure

twin snakes is cool, it's fun playing through shadow moses with MGS2 gameplay even if it does make it a bit too easy, and i think people were happy to get to play as snake again after the bait n switch in 2

>>11839865 (OP)
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy on the SNES. The graphics barely are any different from the NES versions, the music is all worse sounding, and the whole thing feels like someone saw Super Mario All-Stars and farted out a response in like two minutes.

If Twin Snakes was an XBOX only game, everybody would be shitting on it. But because it was released on the Cube, people have to pretend it has its merits because Nintendo always has the best games o algo

Playstation fans are angry that Gamcube got a better version of the flagship ps1 game

>>11841596
>>11841615
Snake has always been the straight man to all the wacky shit going on around him. He never does anything outlandishly anime despite all the ridiculous things happening around him. Twin Snakes ruins that by making him part of the ridiculousness when his role has always been the grounded straight man.

>>11842093
>a better version
>MGS 1 PS1 is the one that always get re-released

>>11842126
Kojima does not allow his magnum opus to be sullied by being ported to lesser platforms

>>11842119
Snake's whole backstory is completely outlandish.
And he runs around in cardboard boxes and is dubbed by the most hammy VA ever

>>11842174
>Snake's whole backstory is completely outlandish.
And he still turns out relatively normal.
>And he runs around in cardboard boxes
It's definitely "video-game-y" to carry around a human-sized cardboard box in your pocket, but that's appropriate for a video game. It's no different from any other video game where the main character carries around a truckload of weapons and items in their pocket. As for hiding in a cardboard box, that's not even all that ridiculous. If you put the box in a suspicious location, guards will even come over and kick it off you. If you were sneaking through a building and saw a refrigerator box you could hide in, would you refuse to do it because it's just too silly?
>and is dubbed by the most hammy VA ever
So? Hammy VA means he should be a superpowered rocket-flipping anime man? It just completely negates his very real function as a straight man to a cast of clowns?

>>11839865 (OP)
It's not a remake. According to Kojima its a retelling

>>11842364
>Otacon retells the story of Snake's mission on Shadow Moses Island and adds a bunch of retarded anime shit because he's a retarded weeb who's gay for Snake
I'm happy with this for my headcanon, thanks.

Thanks for putting soul and souless in the image so I know which one is which.

>>11842364
No, it's how things actually happened because it's in line with the rest of the series' cuhraziness. MGS1 was a VR mission.

>>11842421
>MGS1 was a VR mission.
No, it wasn't, you fucking idiot.

>>11839865 (OP)
This was unneccasary, the movement were updated but the environments were not so you could skip entire sections by dropping down in certain areas where you couldn’t in the first game, over the top ridiculousness that was out of place in the mgs1 setting, particularly for snake.

>>11842435
Tanker section was a VR mission as well.

>>11839865 (OP)
The Talos Principle Reawakened exists but that's not retro

>>11842421
The only reason things in Twin Snakes are like they are is because Kojimbo wanted that movie director to do his thing (even though they initially wanted it how it was in the original)

>>11839865 (OP)
Right looks better

>>11842584
Raiden canonically went through VR missions based on each of those incidents, but what you see as the player is Snake's original mission.

>>11842673
>Kojimbo wanted that movie director to do his thing
Yes, to fit with what he was doing in 2, 3 and 4

>>11841937
false equivalence. almost everything from MGS2 onward was just as crazy as those twin snake cutscenes.

>>11842919
Post a cutscene from another MGS game where Snake does anything as ridiculous as he does in Twin Snakes.

I thought it was good. I actually like it more than the original.

>>11842921
No.

>>11839865 (OP)
more like Turd Snakes, because the length of this game is the size of my turd.

Soulless

>>11844803
The worst part is the shader on tv, honestly

>>11842921
the microwave hallway.

>>11842921
The fall from the bridge in Snake Eater.
The waterfall dive in Snake Eater.
Being the sole survivor of the sinking tanker.
Diving off Arsenal Gear into freezing Atlantic waters, not drowning, (Seriously, what was the point of that scene?) showing up for one last face-to-face with Raiden before disappearing.
Dodging the tank fire in MGS1.
Hell, getting rolled in the Jeep chase at the end and not having his body completely mangled is a feat unto itself.

>>11839865 (OP)
damn I never realized how much worse it looks.

>>11844803
>>11844826
It's not the worst shader I've seen but it looks weird. It tries to go for a high TVL+RGB look but the low resolution makes the mask look weird, like a handheld screen. I'd avoid using bezel shaders if you don't have 1440p at least, otherwise you're destroying picture detail.

>>11844979
OP used old pre-release screencaps from 2004 IGN, probably because he is poor, doesn't own a Gamecube or capture software, and can't emulate the game for some reason.

>>11844972
These are just typical action movie hero stunts, and fit the kind of vision Kojima had for Snake since Metal Gear. The Twin Snakes stuff ventures into shonen anime territory, which betrays Snake's role in the scenario as the straight man.

>>11845121

was definitely immersion breaking shit, tho.

>>11845176
>immersion breaking
How? Do you expect action movies to be exactly the same as real life? Does it also break your immersion when you take several bullets and keep fighting without falling over dead?

>>11845194
No no, you're thinking of breaking the narrative immersion of watching a movie or something.

No, the immersion breaking was the gameplay that the player has that caused the outcome of the game to unfold.

That cutscene nonsense totally breaks the player immersion. The super CQC shit with the cyber ninja, the previously mentioned rocket hop. The player can't do any of that shit, and the outcome seems tied tot the idea that those things happened that the player had zero input on.

This was before QTE were more common in gameplay, which aren't a perfect solution, they're more like a holdover from Dragon's Lair gameplay, but its slightly less immersion breaking.

Its good that nintendo players who may not have had a ps or ps2 got to experience the game, but the ps game is a better experience.

>>11842390
chefs kiss

>>11842390
>gay
Otacon banged his stepmom and Naomi. Snake is the homo grabbing dicks.