this is pretty much the only way to beat virtua fighter 2 in arcades. they released it knowing that fact very well.

By being an ass?

>>11861391 (OP)
This is how I 100% Soul Calibur on DC.
>play Voldo
>rush in, do elbow smash, rush in, do elbow smash, rush in, do elbow smash
>enemy is knocked out of ring if I didn't miss, round over in average 6 seconds
The AI had serious problems trying to respond to it. Worked in SC2 too, but the AI was a bit better about dodging it.

Why does a fighting game that's so grounded in reality end with you breathing underwater and fighting a woman made of metal?

>>11861428
idk but somehow they managed to make it epic. the lighting is very good and the music is awesome.
https://youtu.be/LunrJ77rrE8

i'm sure less than 1% of players have seen that fight though. there are like 3 opponents before it that are almost impossible to beat.

>>11861428
It's a videogame.

>>11861428
Came here to post this.

>>11861391 (OP)
Honestly, I feel like after the initial wave of Street Fighter II and MK every fighting game ever made committed to making bosses blatantly unfair and cheap. Like in MK1 where Goro was mildly cheesy to MK2 where Kintaro engaged in blatant input reading and had impossible counters and was so rigged that the only viable strategy was to lure him into the corner and and stunlock him which wasn't even something they intended so much as they overlooked. Or fucking Azazel from Tekken 6. Blocking *while* attacking should never, ever be a thing.

I feel like fighting games would be a less niche genre if you could still enjoy them as a single-player experience. But instead you try to play through fairly and eventually find you've been given an impossible task and the only solution is cheese strategies where you find the loopholes in the AI and spam one or two moves. I mean...why? So you created a boss who cannot be beat by normal means and forced players to play like AI. Congratulations. You made le heckin' epic legendary boss. And all you had to do was break the fucking game and make it a miserable experience. Assholes

>>11861471
I'd say Japanese mentality with MK devs copying them.

>>11861460
A video game with no internal logic.

Throws are consistently good against the AI in VF2. Makes Wolf especially fun to play.

>>11861428
>DOA
>grounded in reality
Love my real-life boob ninjas

for me, its subzero's freeze and uppercut

>>11861476
I know the nips have a masochistic streak but there are acceptable and unacceptable iterations of that.

Like, having to do the same repetitive task until the RNG smiles upon you is tedious as fuck but at least the numbers say the thing will happen at some point. Having to memorize enemy patterns and react with perfect timing can be a lot to ask sometimes but if there's a window and the player has the opportunity to react the it's merely difficult and maybe a little unreasonable but not flat-out impossible.

An enemy who waits until you in the middle of an attack then respond to it instantly with an unblockable counter that you cant possibly react to or predict? An enemy who can initiate a grab that is literally instant and works 100% of the time? Who never has to drop their guard? That's not a difficult fight, it's an execution. If the only way to "win" your boss fight is to get murdered over and over again until the 1 out 1,000 times where the AI has a brainfart and leaves an opening it shouldn't have you can fuck off. Stop giving bosses win buttons.

>>11861485
Anon it's a game that follows the logic of fictional martial artists proficient enough to fight each other for multiple rounds with incredibly choreographed skill, the final boss is the opportunity for everything you've seen up to now to be turned on its head.

>>11861471
I've played through many fighting games and seen many unfair bosses, and if I actually cared enough for the game to play it as more than a quick tryout I've always managed to beat them. Either by finding out how to cheese them or just playing good enough rounds.
But the one bastard I never got down is Johann from Rage of the Dragons. I have never seen such bullshit in my life. I recall this piece of shit command grabbing me right out of a super.

>>11861526
It's called, a bad game.

>>11861551
But that's my point. If this is common in fighting games then the entire genre is bad, at least as a single-player experience. Which it kinda is. And the solution seems to be to just tell everyone that the whole point is really PVP but if that's the case then why not just make singleplayer mode more enjoyable instead of some insurmountable challenge that .0001% of players will ever finish? The PVP experience isn't contingent on bosses being bullshit hard so why not just make them fair?

>>11861391 (OP)
With Jacky I spam grab

>>11861428
Because it's not completely realistic in the first place, even when you're not fighting Dural.

>>11861661
Stop making excuses for Virtua Fighter's shit tier lore and worldbuilding. This is why Mortal Kombat is still thriving while no one cares about VF anymore.

>>11861791
>Stop making excuses for Virtua Fighter's shit tier lore and worldbuilding. This is why Mortal Kombat is still thriving while no one cares about VF anymore.
lol holy cope

>>11861471
Modern fighting games don't really do that anymore.
I agree with you though, the fuckery with SNK Boss syndrome went on for far too long.

I know this will never happen, but It's my dream that at some point these old fighting games will be decompiled, ported to PC, and someone will fix the trash AI and replace it with something more akin to VF4 Evolution AI.
I love the look and aesthetic of 90's fighting games, I wish the only way to enjoy playing them wasn't to hop on fightcade against humans, because I like a good arcade mode in general.

>>11861391 (OP)
>this is a 1994 game
Crazy shit

This move gives bosses across several SNK games an aneurysm. The AI will try to perfect counter it, but it can't take into account the delay between execution and active frames, so it'll do some shit like fireball on reaction and get hit 100% of the time by the high profile.

>>11861436
I didn't even realize it, but I guess I've never seen the boss before. And I played a ton of vf2 with my buddy who had a saturn (odd I know).

>>11861587
get a new reaction image and go back to /nba/

>>11862474

>>11861497
>Throws are consistently good against the AI in VF2.

only if you zone the AI to force it to dash in. If you do that, you can get a throw in for free. Only problem is that you have very few frames to do it, so complex throw commands (ie. the really fun ones) are right out.

you can cheese the game with Akira by doing backdash twice, dash forward once while the AI does it too, then 1+D+P and then do whatever as a followup. it's the most fun against Wolf because he tends to try to grab you as well, which results in a throw counter that puts you behind him, and his response to that is a turn punch 100% of the time allowing you to practice Akira's counters. If you do it against Dural, she'll immediately do a turn punch after the switchup throw, so you can practice counters there too.

>>11861526
In VF2 the AI can command grab you out of Akiras shoulder slam and Jeffry can do his crouching throws on you while you are standing.

buy if you think SNK has garbage bosses wait until you try to beat the Eternal Champion. It has input reading, will drain you out of your spirit meter so you can't use any specials (but he has infinite spirit), and has 5 lifebars each with different moves.

>>11861428
Because it's a bonus stage.

>>11861391 (OP)
really great artwork that video

>>11862689
And if you're playing the Sega CD semi-sequel, he gets followed up with the Dark Champion, which is another five rounds of misery.

>>11861391 (OP)
Virtua Fighter has always been the retarded older sibling compared to Dead or Alive and Tekken.

>>11861527
That's a retarded explanation, and also incorrect.
>incredibly choreographed skill
The choreography is pretty shit then if it is.

>>11863537
Weak bait, everyone knows that DoA is the retarded one

>>11863561
DOA is more fun.

>>11861416
>>11861391 (OP)
that's basically every fightan that allows ring-out wins.

>>11863573
Fun is subjective, ask any VF or Tekken player whether they think DoA is more fun. Objective fact is that DoA is a coomer series.

>>11863538
>I'm going to be difficult on purpose because I'm a fucking gay bitch

>>11863583
>coomer series
The world today and the words you use did not apply 30 years ago.

>>11861391 (OP)
Still looks great too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go7Sf1lwgxo

>>11863589
DoA didn't exist 30 years ago

>>11861503
but its virtua fighter not DOA

>>11861791
>Stop making excuses for Virtua Fighter's shit tier lore and worldbuilding.
VF5 is the fighting game with the best fighting, that's all that matters.

>>11861391 (OP)
>credits montage of round wins
>endless sequence of Jeffry buttslams into KO
kek

>>11863589
Everyone made fun of it back then

>>11863598
>Dead Or Alive was released in 1996

>>11863586
>I'm going to make faggot excuses for a video game because I can't bare to see it criticized because I'm a dildo-in-my-ass having cucked rape-ape

>>11863595
DoA2 put VF2 and 3 to shame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttkov72oV4A

>>11864178
Nigga you're the gay splat of cum who needs shit like "internal logic" in a game about fictional martial artists, go play chess if you think you're so smart.

>>11864230
>game that came out 3-6 years later puts the old games to shame

imagine.

>>11864258
>a game about fictional martial artists
entire point of virtua fighter was that it was based on real life martial arts. akira used bajiquan, lion used praying mantis style, shundi was the drunken kung-fu master, bryant siblings used jeet kune do, wolf uses wrestling moves, etc.

>>11864258
Den why didnt dey use da magic wabbit hat to pull out pop-eye to eat da spinach and poopy in dayr handsy wandsy?

>>11864463
You can butt stomp correctly but you have to be rika tatsumi

>>11861791
>This is why Mortal Kombat is still thriving
Nobody plays MK for the plot, they play it for the ebin fatalities. The writing's so bad they've had to reboot it twice.
>still thriving
Lmao not after MK1

>>11864763
>Nobody plays MK for the plot, they play it for the ebin fatalities. The writing's so bad they've had to reboot it twice.
I guess that's why MK vs DC, which had next to no blood and completely censored fatalities, sold more than Third Strike?

Lmao, get the fuck outta here you dumb cunt-hooker.

>>11864169
It's still 2025

>>11864775
>so insecure about actual quality of the game that he has to bring up the sales
Vanilla SF4 sold twice as much as MK vs DC. If you include all updated versions, it sold 6 times as much

>>11862689
can't believe it took this long for someone to mention it's a bonus.
The state of this board

>>11865053
>ummm it's only been 29 years??????

>>11861591
With Spammy I grab Jack

Hey.