Was there ever a notion, at the time, of people saying the original Xbox had no games? You know in the same way we mock modern non-retro consoles?

>>11886445 (OP)
No because it did have games

>>11886445 (OP)
how about you think about the stuff you force me to see

No one I knew said any console back then had no games. This is the golden generation. Every console was worth owning.

It had halo and was hueg

>>11886445 (OP)
No, modern tendies hadn't been created yet

>>11886445 (OP)
We would mostly just make fun of Gaylo because a lot of normies thought it was the second coming of Christ in video game form

Not at all.

>>11886445 (OP)
It had games on its very first launch year. Even if most were just obsessed with Halo. To say it didn't have games is to be a disingenuous faggot. You can think of what you will about the brand and who runs it but it absolutely had video games that were good.

>>11886456
>>11886465
>>11886548
Is it? I just took a cursory glance and it looks like there are only a handful of truly exclusive titles on the console. The rest either got ported to PC later on or were so bad that no one even cared enough to check if they were good or not, like the Kabuki or Tao Feng fighting games.

>>11886445 (OP)
Nope, because it had star wars games, batman, dead or alive3, tony hawk games, max payne, silent hill, extreme sports, racing, sports games, etc...

>>11886445 (OP)
Every Xbox owner I've ever met has been a Halo fanatic.
xbox had ONE game

>>11886445 (OP)
As someone who had a dreamcast and gamecube, the entire reason i got an xbox after them, was because it had unique games to it. In particular, i was won over by the early releases like Gunvalkyrie, Wreckless, Blinx, Armed&Dangerous and Munch's Odyssey. I was actually rather disappointed how later on it stopped getting a lot of those unique titles and just seemed to focus more on being a Halo type of gaming machine.

>>11886572
You are looking at it from a modern perspective where PC gaming has never been simpler and every potato can easily run all of the games that were on the xbox. People who played on the xbox were not the same demographic of people who played on PC so it didn't matter that the games released on both platforms.

>>11886445 (OP)
No, it had significantly more presence than Gamecube. By the time Wind Waker popped out the GC basically fell off the map. From the word go you had Dead or Alive 3, Halo, Project Gotham Racing, Oddworld Munch's Odyssey and Tony Hawk 2X keeping peoples attention. Excellent versions of Max Payne, Bloodwake, Obi-Wan, and JSRF continuing to turn heads down the line, as Live rolled onto the scene people were even excited for Tetris Worlds, it had the only console version of Morrowind, and titles like Wreckless looked a generation ahead on Xbox. Microsoft had exclusives like the first Buffy game, the timed exclusive Dead to Rights. Unreal Championship gave console gamers their first UT experience, the first Lord of the Rings game as the film series was kicking off, and titles like Whacked drawing a lot of attention in retail. By this point release were hitting a steady stream, lining up closer with the initial PS2 releases like Tony Hawk 4. There were still notable exclusives like Shenmue 2 and Mech Assault dropping. Splinter Cell looked a world apart on Xbox and almost every multiplat showing was definitive on Xbox at this point.

This is just until 2003 where the Halo 2 hype train was about to kick off. Even still Microsoft paraded around their exclusives and debut versions of games, always boasting the best versions of Tom Clancy games, snagging core PS2 titles like GTA in time. Dead or Alive Xtreme would turn heads as something totally unlike anything else on other consoles - helping define the image of Xbox.

>discord cubies trying a smear campaign against the xbox after failing miserably at doing the same with the ps2
pathetic

>>11886667
You can’t use that word unless you are one of us

The Xbox was based it was worth it despite not having a ton of games. As another anon said it usually had the best multiplat version. it had the best graphics of the 3 consoles. starwars battlefront on the ps2 and the Xbox look totally different. ninja gaiden was amazing. halo obviously was the system seller and something to at least experience at the time. I had a GameCube but after playing halo at my friends house bought an Xbox. it was that impressive at the time for a console game. Idk if KOTOR OR REPUBLIC COMMANDO are on the other consoles or not. I highly doubt it. But it’s on the PC.


You need to understand that back in the early 2000s computers were a lot more niche and many people didn’t even have one or internet in their house until like 2005-2007. So the games at that time being on pc wasn’t relevant to people. It paid off because our pc needed to be reinstalled and repaired sometimes and it was better to have the games on a seperate system.


It had a slightly downgraded version of doom 3 you can look up, but that’s really impressive because people were having to buy entire new computers for that game. it looks really good for a 2005 game and would never be possible on GameCube or ps2.

It’s hard to explain if you weren’t there. it may not have had as many interesting games as the ps2 or at times the GameCube but it made up for it by just giving you the best version of the game if it was on all 3 consoles.

>>11886445 (OP)
Back then people went outside more and most people were jealous of Halo because nobody else other than PC gamers had anything like it at the time.

No it had tons of games and many were exclusives. Back then that wasn’t the issue.

>>11886704
Once word got out that Battlefront on Xbox is 32 player while PS2 maxes at 24 it became the obvious pick, even if it had a yearly fee.

Bot thread.

>>11886507
Zoomer here. I mean, was it not?

>>11886507
Can’t think of a better console shooter up until that point.

>>11886660
Sup, ChatJeetPT

>>11886445 (OP)
The xbox existed in a time period when people spent time playing games instead of being terminally online shitposting about the state of the industry.

>>11886765
Gradius III is better DESU

>>11886786
Fear not, you're in the presence of a true XChad. All of my research is done independently, without the use of glorified forum search tools. I've played every game I talk about. You should be honored to be in my presence, non-player.

>>11886445 (OP)
The Xbox, like the Dreamcast, has way more games than the popular conception.

Like people don't think about how the Dreamcast has a version of Resident Evil 2.
Or how the Xbox has a version of Guilty Gear XX# Reload.

>>11886609
*taps the >>11886587*

>>11886686
I prefer to be called a cubist myself.

https://youtu.be/7yvm0xfII-8?si=mUDh-NNvgOYFcUTl

>>11886445 (OP)
Kind of, people would make fun of the fact that half of the Xbox's games were available on pc. This was ironically one of the strengths of the Xbox, as most people lacked competent gaming PCs back then. It was a different era.

>>11886572
Xbox is where the majority of those non-exclusive titles were played. PC gaming just wasn't that big before 2010. Computers were expensive and clunky and monitors were tiny. Games like Fable and KOTOR may have been available (and better) on computer but people were playing them mostly through Xbox.

>>11886445 (OP)
As an Xbox owner there were definitely periods of drought in regards to AAA games, but unlike the 'Cube the Xbox enjoyed much better third party support. Nearly every multiplat game was best on Xbox. The Xbox also got a lot of unique AA games. If you had XBL you also got a lot of free DLC for your existing games to tie you over between the big releases.
>>11886627
I feel you, those early years of the Xbox feel very unique and almost like a different console from the 2004+ era and especially the 360.

>>11886765
>console shooter
lmao see? this is what he meant

I know this doesn’t really belong on /vr/, but did people actually used to say the PS3 had no games? It sounds weird to me, because the console definitely ended up with a solid list of exclusives worth buying the hardware for. Was that just an initial reaction to its lukewarm launch?

>>11886445 (OP)
Almost nobody had built up gaming PCs at the time. Xbox had almost every PC game port and they were all outstanding.

>>11887132
>solid list of exclusives worth buying the hardware for
Seriously? Which ones? Only one that comes to mind for me is Resistance.

>>11886445 (OP)
It had some shooter game sponsored by Mountain Dew. I think it was called gaylo or something.

>>11886587
amazing western slop machine

>>11887148
Motorstorm series, Ratchet series, Infamous series, Infamous series, little big planet series, god of war series, uncharted series, Killzone series, Resistance series, japan studio games like puppeteer and lost in rain and Siren Bloodcurse, fromsoft games like 3d dot game heroes. I don't know why people project their absence of knowledge on these things as absence of games to be discovered, but don't you feel the least bit embarrassed of this? Like you have zero curiosity? No desire for discovery or branching out? It's such an alien thing to me.

>>11886445 (OP)
No, because the platform had a system seller. Halo. Which is the opposite of not having games.

>>11887213
queer troll shitposts

>>11886445 (OP)
>Was there ever a notion, at the time, of people saying the original Xbox had no games?

Yes. Plenty. But it wasn't "no games", it was "no good games" or "PC ports on a console". I've talked to people who considered GTA San Andreas to be the first actual good game that came out for it, and even Maddox (if you remember him) wrote an article about how the console had no soul because it was just western garbo PC-like games. Magazines mentioned that games were pretty but all felt PC-like. Even if you look at >>11886587, a solid third of the games are sports titles, another part was games you could play on other consoles and/or PC, or it was licensed kusoge like Batman and Shrek.
The OG Xbox having lots of great titles is a modern notion, after twenty years of people playing every single game on it, plus a lot of nostalgia from the kids who grew up with it. Back when the console was supported, PS2 had 20x the software released at any given point, and only a percentage of that was PC-like western garbage 3d platformer or yet another racing game. Plus it got like 95% of Xbox games anyway.

I'm not saying I agree with all of that, but that's what people said about the system in the early 00s.

>>11887132
>did people actually used to say the PS3 had no games?

PS3 having nogaems was a running meme on /v/. Keep in mind that when it came out, 360 was already out for a year and nipping up plenty of jap exclusives like motherfucking Katamari, and the Wii was destroying them both in sales, so the PS3 having no games was pretty accurate.

Yeah it got many games later but in 2006-08 it didn't really feel like it did.

>>11886445 (OP)
Some message boards used to say it had nothing except for Halo but when GTA was ported it mostly shut them up. A lot of people whine about Final Fantasy and how it would never sell in Japan but it turned out to not matter. I had all 3 since they had such big discounts but it wasn't until 360 that people often get multiple consoles. It was probably the Gamecube I had the most fun with in the end if you include multiplayer.

Me and my friends just mocked it because it was murrican and promoted by (((Bill Gates))).
Still to this day I never touched a single Xbox product in my life. Well, except for a 360 controller a friend let me try for emulation once - shit dpad.

>>11887132
I was having fun playing Uncharted 1, Motorstorm and Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and later on MGS4 and Demon's Souls, but poorfags and moviegame shills will tell you it was unredeemable shit up until the slim model and The Last of Us.

>>11887132
I know in my early point of ownership of the PS3, I had Folklore, Final Fantasy 13, LittleBigPlanet, 3D Dot Game Heroes and Demon's Souls. I also got pretty much every jrpg that came out on it at the time.

>>11886465
Gamecube was a disappointment, to put it mildly.

>>11886445 (OP)
No because it launched with Halo. Xbox had great 3rd party support too including a lot of japanese stuff.

>>11887369
For shareholders maybe but gcn has a lot of great games.

General reception of it was pretty good in big part due to Halo, but i can definitely remember for a while on many niche nerdy videogame communities it was cool to rip on the Xbox. It was definitely in big part due to a lot of (not unwarranted) cynicism towards Microsoft from many controversies during those years, including the whole Internet Explorer fiasco that was still fresh in everyones minds. When the next Oddworld game was revealed to be an OG Xbox launch exclusive the shitflinging on the internet was massive. It was almost customary for every webcomic about videogames to throw some jabs about how Lorne Lanning was a sellout and how the Xbox was a soulless corporate attempt for greedy poindexter Bill Gates to pry into the videogame industry. Although by the time of Halo 2's a lot of this cynicism had cooled down.

You also have to remember that this was during the peak of japanese gaming and otaku culture on the Internet, in websites like GameFAQs or old /v/. Xbox's lesser support from japanese companies and more conventional library of games in contrast to all the anime JRPGs and niche experimental oddball games on Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube made it seem like the "uncool" console for american normies who just wanted to smash cars and shoot things.

Honestly a lot of it was really funny in retrospect
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=xbox_suckit

General reception of it was pretty good in big part due to Halo, but i can definitely remember for a while on many niche nerdy videogame communities it was cool to rip on the Xbox. It was definitely in big part due to a lot of (not unwarranted) cynicism towards Microsoft from many controversies during those years, including the whole Internet Explorer fiasco that was still fresh in everyones minds. When the next Oddworld game was revealed to be an OG Xbox launch exclusive the shitflinging on the internet was massive. It was almost customary for every webcomic about videogames to throw some jabs about how Lorne Lanning was a sellout and how the Xbox was a soulless corporate attempt for greedy poindexter Bill Gates to pry into the videogame industry. Although by the time of Halo 2's a lot of this cynicism had cooled down.

You also have to remember that this was during the peak of japanese gaming and otaku culture on the Internet, in websites like GameFAQs or old /v/. Xbox's lesser support from japanese companies and more conventional library of games in contrast to all the anime JRPGs, colorful platformers and niche experimental oddball games on Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube gave it this stereotype as the "uncool" console for incurious american turbonormies who got the icks from weird japanese stuff and just wanted to smash cars and shoot things.

Honestly a lot of it was really funny in retrospect
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=xbox_suckit

>>11887307
>Well, except for a 360 controller a friend let me try for emulation once - shit dpad.

They fixed that with the next console and perfected it with the Series X. In fact they went overkill on it, ever since I got one I get annoyed how shit every other controllers d-pad is.

>>11887435
>cynicism towards Microsoft from many controversies during those years, including the whole Internet Explorer fiasco that was still fresh in everyones minds

That was mid-late 00s Microsoft. At the turn of the millennium people didn't think of them as a fucked company, even Internet Explorer was miles ahead of the competition - other browsers in 2000 were either slow as shit, had half the pages broken, or both. Their hardware was considered god tier too (the Sidewinder gamepads/wheels/flight sticks were comfy, and their wheeled optical mouse was the best on the market).
Really the only reason people hated them was Windows bluescreening a lot, and then for the trainwreck that was XP (three service packs later, once the hardware caught up, it was passable).

If there were reasons the Xbox was considered cool, it was specifically that it was overpowered and that Microsoft was selling it under priced because they were rich enough to afford it, reportedly losing $100 per console.
And yeah its main criticism were not having any eastern devs on it, so it was a western slop console.
Then xbox live launched and people started using the HDD for cool things and people started liking it more and more.

>>11887027
Also pc ports during this specific gen were atrocious a lot of times. W Xbox it’s pop in and play.

Not hating on pc it was very sad to see our GameStop stores shrink down to basically a kiosk instead of a whole wall when I started in 2002 by 2004-05 it shared a rack w our anime dvds. Very dark times for the pc. I loved halo and played it religiously in 4 connected Xboxes and 16 players, I’ll never complain about it, but I loved ut99 but could hardly ever get the friend group to jump on board even tho my friend group had all systems and pcs (not rich we all just had jobs out of highschool while going to college).

>>11887435
>thebestpageintheuniverse

Now there's a URL I've not seen in a long time...

>>11886445 (OP)
Are there any exclusive games on Xbox that are not available on any other platform? Halo had a PC port. People praise Black, but it's also on PS2.

>>11887557
Bill Gates and Microsoft had a bad reputation as early as late 90s anti trust case

>>11887621

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeUyxjLhAxU

>>11887435
I remember before launch, Microsoft set up big ass tents at events across the US, like at state faires, where they had set-up mini E3 type affairs, where you could test all of the early release games and they even held competitions complete with an announcer. I recall that actually doing a lot to help sway me over towards seeing the Xbox and Microsoft being more a Sega replacement in the industry when I got to experience first hand stuff like Gunvalkyrie and Wreckless at one of these events. The Xbox was probably the most impressive marketing push in early years for a console since the nes at that point.

>>11886809
>The Xbox has way more games than the popular conception.
im pretty sure the popular conception thinks it has plenty of games

>>11887369
>Gamecube was a disappointment, to put it mildly.
at a $99 price point no it was not.

>>11887621
They had a joke reputation in that they to become the wealthiest company on the planet but couldn't figure it out how to prevent blue screens. The antitrust was just Netscape lobbying the US congress because their browser sucked (IE didn't only win because it was bundled, it won because it had more features and was ten times faster).

>>11887838
If the only way you can sell it is by pricing it at $99, then it is a failure.

>>11887872
>muh sales
fuck outta here

Its always fun to pick on the new kids.

>>11887050
And this was the beginning of the end of epic PC games.

>>11886572
>cursory glance
You didn't see much after a little look? Shocking.

>>11887304
>motherfucking Katamari

Tales of Vesperia, Beautiful Katamari, Ace Combat 6, and even Symphony of The Night at a time when it was unthinkable that a non-PS console was doing gangbusters over the actual PS console.

>>11887307
>(((Bill Gates))).

Not a Jew, retard.

>>11887557
Microsoft was definitely our golden boy for a good while. They had that cute little rivalry with Mac and they were basically powering the world with Windows from the humble PNW, no less. Naysayers and a few controversies will always follow a company no matter what. Microsoft was admittedly pretty cool back then.

>>11887939

Why did Sony ditch this controller design for the PS3? It looks cooler and more ergonomic than the final product, which is just an improved version of the already existing PS2 controller

>>11887990
Youd have to have crazy long thumbs to reach the sticks on the boomerang, hyperextending your fingers sounds like the opposite of ergonomic.

>>11887435
>>11887612
Weird that his last big appearance on the interweb was being taken to school by Matthew Patrick of all people. Wonder what he's doing now? (don't answer that)

>>11887557
>And yeah its main criticism were not having any eastern devs on it, so it was a western slop console.

An odd train of thought, considering it has Dead or Alive 3 at launch, helped revive Ninja Gaiden, had a port of MGS2 that was sort of endorsed by Kojima, and eventually had generic third-party support by Sega, Namco, Capcom, and even Atlus and Fromsoft. OG Xbox was the hipster system for its time where you had to dig around for hidden gems or purchase third-party games with obvious upgrades in order to keep challenging Sony's and Nintendo's grip on the market. It's a shame revisionists insist that Xbox had no good games when it came out at time when good information was scarce and almost hard to come by, but these days, good information is taken for granted by people who are informed by bad actors and an always-on media cycle fueled with bad takes.

>>11887869
>IE didn't only win because it was bundled, it won because it had more features and was ten times faster

Bah, I say! Bah and harumpf to features and speed! If your internet consumption didn't look like this, then you had a bad upbringing!

>>11888036
Netscape's sweetest!

>>11888036

Now that is a poorly functioning browser with soul.

>>11886445 (OP)
>Was there ever a notion, at the time, of people saying the original Xbox had no games?
Nope because everyone was too busy playing Halo.

>>11888036
I used to use it, until I noticed that it takes a few seconds to load while IE6 popped up instantly.

>>11888016
>An odd train of thought, considering it has Dead or Alive 3 at launch,
That's one jap game vs 15 other western slop, and it was like that or even worse for the rest of the systems lifetime.

>helped revive Ninja Gaiden,
by 2004, one year before the 360

>had a port of MGS2 that was sort of endorsed by Kojima
a port, and a poor one supposedly

>and eventually had generic third-party support by Sega, Namco, Capcom
keyword: eventually. and a lot of those were ports. Sega had exclusives, I admit, but not even all of those were great (Orta and Outrun 2 was incredible, but say Crazy Taxi 3 or Toejam & Earl 3 or Puyo Puyo Fever... not so much).

>It's a shame revisionists insist that Xbox had no good games when it came out
It had Halo, DOA3, and the rest was either generic western slop or ports or sports games.

>>11886445 (OP)
When I was a kid enjoying it, there was a very brief half-year window in the beginning of its life cycle where I wanted more exclusives and yeah xbox delivered.

god I love this console, I love that it's a subtle fuck you to gates and a nod to sega and another fuck you to sony.

>>11887132
Yeah on /v/ in the late 2000s/early 2010s.
MS got a lot of the third-party support for their X360, they swayed them away from Sony.
PS2 used to be all about its third-party support.
I think PS3 lacked some real killer-titles early on. X360 did have them. I think X360 dominated the first half of the 7th gen and PS3 the latter half.

>>11888464
>had Idolmaster, SMT Nine, Tecmo pumping out games and more
>not enough jap games
You are such a whiny little bitch. Enough with the bait.

>>11888605
Idolmaster was on 360.

>>11887132
Wouldn't know. Nobody I knew had a PS3 or ever talked about one. Console basically didn't exist if you didn't live in Japan or the ghetto.

>>11886445 (OP)
I think it is only internet talk, but never the reality that anyone truly thought. From the start there were plenty of games that interest me for the original Xbox. I don't even think that of non-retro consoles either. Maybe by perception, I might feel that in regards to modern high budget PC games, as they tend to be on consoles as well but I also don't pay as much attention to MOBAs nor tower defense. Therefore it is all just from an angle of perception given what the individual has interest in. My odd taste in games does skew me to think the original Xbox has a lot of appealing games.

>>11886456
/thread

>>11888464
>by 2004
Still had DoA games which kept the system in interest in Japan.

>a port, and a poor one supposedly
Revisionism and a lie.

>eventually
More revisionism. Xbox was receiving other PS2 titles simultaneously.