Thread 11887384

It has a lot of "good" games, but only two that I would class as exceptional (ALTTP and DKC2).

While even N64, despite its very small library, manages to have more than a half dozen exceptional games (Zelda OoT, Zelda MM, Sin & Punishment, Star Fox 64, Rogue Squadron, Paper Mario, and Banjo Kazooie).

>>11887384 (OP)
Sin & Punishment is a jap exclusive. Did you check the full Super Famicom library? Seems like your problem is limiting yourself to SNES.

>>11887384 (OP)
I agree that the N64 is better, but I wouldn't say that the SNES is overrated. It may seem that way if you hate RPGs and only compared SMW to SM64 and ALttP to OoT/MM.

What about fucking Mega Man X, one of the greatest games ever

>>11887384 (OP)
>>11887392
I've seen a lot of shit on this board like someone seriously saying that Big the Cat is actually the best part of SA1 because it tries to replicate Sega Bass Fishing or that Evergrace is more fun than DMC1 but N64 being better than SNES somehow feels like next level contrarianism even by this board's standards

why do you people seriously respond to the same old troll threads no matter how low effort they are
it has been years of this

>play Super Mario RPG
>it's mid
>play Super Mario World
>it's mid
>play Super Metroid
>it's decent
>play Mega Man X
>it's mid
>play FF6
>it's mid
>play ALTTP
>it's an instant classic, amazing game, has aged like wine
>play Contra 3
>it's mid
>play Super Mario Kart
>it's mid
>play Wild Guns
>it's mid
>play Super Star Wars
>it's mid
>play Super Punch Out
>it's mid
>play UN Squadron
>it's mid
>play Axelay
>it's mid
>play TMNT
>it's mid
>play Earthbound
>it's mid
>play Zombies Ate My Neighbors
>it's mid
Yeah it's disappointing. Even NES had more worthwhile games

>>11887396
You saying that thinking that the N64 is good is contrarianism is actually contrarianism

>>11887393
How can it be the greatest game ever when it's much worse than the NES games?

I like discovering 100 mid but interesting games more than replaying the same 6 top-tier games for 30 years

Nobody mentioned fucking Mario Kart, the game Nintendo banks on until this day……. Illusion of Gaia was pretty popular then. Lots of shit franchise names you would have liked as a kid carried the SNES, sure your grown up and power rangers sucks now, but to kids that was a good game. It’s not that SNES has the most insane library of games, it’s just other systems sucked worse with seriously bad shit. SEGA had a lot more shit games that SNES and the hits that Nintendo had…. Well, super Mario world was a fucking grand slam and that’s enough to justify its existence. STAR FOX, Fzero, chrono trigger. SNES exclusives that were enough to carry the system. 3 donkey Kong country games…. At the time, SNES games were excellent in comparison to any other system. Bonk? MEH, SONIC? Relied on gimmicks like cartridge combos and sega cd and 32x and they all floundered and everybody knew Mario and Nintendo won. Normal people aren’t judging a system by a rom library as a whole. They bought maybe 5-10 games if that. If that collection has any of the hits on it, and your friend brings his sega over and he’s got 10 games and he’s got a few hits, guess what happens you plug both in and play the best few games on both systems. And more often than not your playing SNES longer. And I love me some sega but it just doesn’t stack up.

>>11887409
>>play ALTTP
>>it's an instant classic, amazing game, has aged like wine
Nice bait.

>>11887384 (OP)
>Behold, the most plebian taste on the planet

>>11887384 (OP)
At least it's not the Wii. That system really only has 1 game

>>11887409
Nothing is "mid" because "mid" is not a word.

>>11887384 (OP)
>considers DKC2 exceptional
>not Super Metroid GOAT
opinion disregarded.

>the more I realize its library is way overrated
Though that is true though. You're still a dumbass though.

The SNES rolled more RPG and Sim style games. The Genesis tended to do better for action games. SNES has the best of that era and it's library is mostly 5-6/10. Genesis doesn't have the best the of that generation but it's library is more 6-8/10. You can't really go wrong with either system in the end. Though yes, some of us wanted the edginess of the Genesis for shit like blood code in Mortal Kombat - but that's just one circumstance and MK was crap compared to SFII anyway.

DKC series was pretty shit though. It did look nice with pre-rendered 3D though.

I'm playing the Rareware DKC games for the first time (only played the Retro Studios ones), just beat DKC1.
It wasn't bad, had good atmosphere and charm, but by the second half, Rare's "we made Battletoads" pedigree was showing. Not in terms of straight difficulty, but plenty of stuff ramming into you from offscreen with only 2 frames to react, and just rote memorization. Plus forcing you to marathon the levels repeatedly, with how stingy it was about savepoints.

I keep hearing DKC2 is better, does it (and 3) end up relying on plain pattern memorization as heavily?

>>11887564
yea I had the same opinion about Donkey Kong Country. Beautiful game, but stuff just comes at you too fast. I ended up having to slowly edge forward, or I would run into things. My other option was to brute force the levels, and rely on memorizing exactly where everything is. Thats wasn't really fun, to me ... It's like the Sonic games but somehow more unforgiving, in terms of you running into stuff, I feel like the Sonic games leaned into that and made it work, while in DKC it's just not fun.

>>11887497
The Wii had
>Super Mario Galaxy
>Super Mario Galaxy 2
>Super Smash Bros. Brawl
>Muramasa
>LEGO Star Wars
>Metal Slug: Anthology
that's 6 games.

>>11887581
>>Super Mario Galaxy
>>Super Mario Galaxy 2
>>Super Smash Bros. Brawl
I couldn't care less about Nintendo slop. The Wii is just full of Nintendo kiddie games, shovelware and party games for turbo normies.

>>11887384 (OP)
>only two that I would class as exceptional (ALTTP and DKC2).
I would agree. These two titles feel more like Sega Genesis games due to how fun and high quality they are.

>>11887398
>why do you people seriously respond to the same old troll threads
why do you?

>>11887396
I think is more nostalgia than contrarianism

>>11887409
Look kids, this is called "bait", this specific type consists in saying that all the mythic games of the Snes are mid, this way anons will get triggered and give him (you)s, for more (you)s he also calls the worst game of the list the best.

>>11887581
All of those sucked. And if you're gonna have Wii, Twilight Princess was better on it than gamecube and better than those games. Also Epic Yarn was better and Punch Out

>>11887638
The only one that triggered me is Zombies Ate My Neighbours ... It's a 10/10 kino one-of-a-kind game. I can't remember if that was a SNES exclusive though ... The other games on the list are clearly opinion based, like for example I love Mega Man X but if you just don't like the MM franchise / you don't enjoy difficult games then I can see why you would call it "mid". You're not allowed to call Zombies Ate My Neighbours "mid", that's just not ok.

>>11887663
It wasn't snes exclusive
and really the only differences were the map/screen reso of that actual playing field if i remember right
nothing important in the end both versions are good as I own both.
luv me zombies at my neighbors.

The SNES has some really good third party support. I do find almost all of the first party Nintendo games (along with Square Enix RPGS) do almost nothing for me though. Super Metroid is great, at least.
If I was going to play SNES right now though, I'd play Pocky and Rocky, or something weird like Clock Tower or SOS. Maybe even just licensed games. Some of those are great on SNES.

>>11887463
nice strawman

>>11887384 (OP)
zelda, donkey kong, the list goes on...

>>11887802
it's a fair observation. People who aren't terminally online E-gamers generally don't think the N64 was a bad console.
They aren't thinking "oh no no no, where did it go wrong? RE2 only had lower resolution renders! And the less said about those framerates, the better...", they're thinking "Diddy Kong Racing was really fun with friends".

I love this game.

>>11887808
Is that the one with the insanely good theme music?

Stop liking the Super Nintendo, or else...

>>11887821
Stop disliking the Super Nintendo, or else...

>>11887505
Hmm. Well, technically that is true. Mid wouldn't count in Scrabble.

>>11887798
yeah i feel that
if i had an snes around rn I'd probably play goemon 4 and pocky and rocky

>>11887595
yeah man it's a nintendo console it's gonna have nintendo games on it idk what to tell you

>>11887497
>accusing the Wii of all systems of having a shortage of games
It's literally one of those consoles like the NES or the PS1, that you could just play forever, if you wanted to. I still keep finding new Wii games that look cool.

>>11887581
>>Metal Slug: Anthology
This has like triple the input lag of the original games. Horrible way go play them

>>11887393
MMX is better than any N64 game. Simple as.

>>11887396
Yeah the N64 love on this board drives me crazy. It has it's moments and it was impressive for it's time but it's got a really shallow library. There's a fraction of the games that the SNES had. The fighting games mostly suck, there's almost no RPGs, a horrible dearth of 2D stuff. Man cannot live on Mario 64 alone.
>>11887626
This is how it comes off to me too. A lot of the posters here come off like they're mentally stuck at Christmas 1998 when they received Ocarina ha a gift.

>>11887884
It had 4 player, enough said.

>>11887884
Why am I not allowed to like OOT? Why is that even an accusation? Because some tard of an E-celeb said it was bad?
There are other games on the system, for what it's worth.

>>11887823
Show me any thread that starts with that intent.

>>11887393
>>11887870
It's a pretty middling action game. Not really sure what people see in it

>>11887946
You've been spamming your anti-mmx agenda all week, auster

>>11887884
in my country the N64 was basically known for Mario / Zelda / Golden Eye, which to be honest were pretty badass games when they came out.

oh and of course that one game that let you battle your Pokemons in 3D. That was a big deal because 3D gaming was new and Pokemon was the big crazy that literally every kid was obsessed with.

>>11887609
false equivalency

>>11887497
I loved Art of Balance. Especially its soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z08Tul90V9Y

>>11887969
In my experience, everyone just had their own collection of games, most of which would have been acquired semi at random.
I used to play a lot of Beetle Adventure Racing, Mario Tennis, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Turok 2, Xtreme G, Vigilante 8, Pokemon Snap, Rayman 2.
The internet will do this thing where it basically papers over all of this stuff. No matter how many times you tell people "it wasn't just OOT, Mario 64, and Goldeneye", they don't believe you for some reason. It's very peculiar.

>>11887384 (OP)
Your opinion is not interesting.

>I hate being careful!
>Let me just WING IT!
>REWARD me for WINGING IT!!
>LEARNING SUCKS
Kids.

>>11887384 (OP)
The Snes will always be defended by hardcore tendies even when deep down they know it's not a great console.
You got a snes for street fighter 2 and that didnt mean shit once the MD version was released.

The snes has maybe 8 titles actually worth anything (Turtles in time, chrono trigger, ff6, star fox) then everything after that falls into either children's games or bland forgettable trash.
Most of its library was either censored or downgraded to run on the snes (final fight among others).

Credit were credit is due the snes controller is excellent. A console that yellows with only a handful of decent games however....

I'm shocked by the ugliness every time I see an American SNES.

I'm not a super fan of the super nintendo, but there are a few hits:
>breath of fire 2
>demon's crest
>lufia 2
>that fire fighter game I forget the name of
>area 88
>zombies ate my neighbors (also good on sega)
>uncharted waters
>joe and mac (CAVEMAN NINJA)
Probably some others also. Problem with the SNES is that the heavy hitters usually get "updated" ports to something else or you played them to death or faggots you hate have talked about them to death and it drags the whole thing down because faggots are a downer.

>>11888042
>Pokemon Snap
Oh yeah you just reminded me that was a thing back then, lol. Take pictures of Pokemon or something. Really clever because it leaned into the digital photography trend which was new at the time.

>>11888070
Everyone who actually plays Street Fighter thinks the SNES version is better

I'm sorry you kids don't enjoy modern media. We prized our games.

>>11888096
It was inferior because the genesis could run the game faster. The snes could not because its processor was slower which is why it could never handle games like thunder force 4.

If you had a 6 button sega controller it felt better than using the snes one too.

It's only afterwards that both the snes/md versions handled the same because crapcom didnt care at that point. When super came along both ports were treated the same.

The only interesting version that people REALLY want is the unreleased Genesis version of SF2 that crapcom showed sega in its beta stages. It had various spelling mistakes, random colors, wasn't even handled by capcom themselves.
That's the port alot of people still talk about today because it's a version none of us will get to try.

>>11888070
>Chrono Trigger, FF6
Yawn, let me fall asleep here. You don't understand the SNES library at all.
You probably know about ten Megadrive games as well, and five of them are Sonic. Let's be real.

>>11888115
You being a homosexal means what exactly? I've already explained the snes has 3 categories, its few good games, children's games and then trash.
Chrono trigger and ff6 are two of the handful of decent games on that system.

Are you going to claim Donkey kong was a good game and a timeless classic? Not an ugly childs game that was designed with it being aimed at 4-8 year olds

>>11888110
>weaker = slower
Jesus fuck, it's like saying "a crab could NEVER outrun me! I'm stronger!"
People designed their games around what they had. 12KB or 120GB, designers DESIGNED. Audiences that just shouted "mine's bigger" never, ever contributed anything relevant.

>>11888096
Wrong.

>>11888136
>few
You and everyone else seem to have a very different definition of what "few" is.

>DKC is awful and I'm right
>Ugly and easy ohwaitfuck this stage takes practice I HATE PRACTICE
>What?
>No; I'm playing without my earbuds in. I didn't know they game had music...

>>11888136
>Square RPGS, DKC, the list goes on...
You realise this is like surface surface level SNES, yeah?
You are not acquainted with this console's library, and need to go and explore more games before you talk shit.
I'm not spoonfeeding you. There are resources for this.

>>11888070
you've been trying so hard

>>11888157
Anon I had a snes back in the day and a genesis. The snes has the worst library.

I'm mentioning the cream of its crop because everything else the system had just wasnt that good or clearly aimed at children.

Let's take Rushing Beat Shura for example. A trilogy so shit that Nintendo of America didnt want Jeleco to connect the 3 games together.
We had rival turf, brawl brothers etc and they played and looked like crap.

Then we had final fight. Missing guy, was censored, characters removed or altered and played like crap. Nintendo then pay capcom to re-release it with guy but it's still censored, missing characters and was heavily downgraded.
We then got FF2 and FF3 which both were a snore fest and neither could complete with TNMT TIT.

I has a handful of good games but its main library isn't not that great.

I could mention every game from Ninja Warriors to the snes port of mk1 but you still wouldn't accept it

>>11888212
SNES has like a gorillian more games than the Genesis. This isn't even an argument. You could argue that the Genesis versions look or sound better, sure, but the SNES clearly has the stronger library.

>>11888227
>gorillian more games than the Genesis. This isn't even an argument

Agreed and around 85% of those games are shovelware trash.
A bigger library doesn't equal a better console

>>11888232
Kek if that's true how about you name 5 good Genesis games that aren't on the SNES (no Sonic)

>>11887840
The SNES at least still had plenty of cool games too. Lots of 3rd party arcade games, etc. The Wii was just for kids and normies.

>>11888238
the Wii literally revived on rails shooters, and had a whole bunch of acade ports, a couple of good fighting games, and so on.

>>11888246
>revived on rails shooters
Apart from Sin & Pun 2 I can't think of anything as interesting as this on the Wii. It had a nice Resi 4 port, but I can play this everywhere else too.

>>11888212
That's still pretty surface level. You don't even know how many beat em ups are on the SNES.

>>11888250
Dead Space, House of the Dead, two on rails Resident Evil games

>>11888236
Alien solider
Revenge of shinobi
Streets of rage 1 2 3
Shinobi 3
Ranger X
Dynamite heady
Mortal kombat 1
Alisa dragoon
Gunstar heroes
Thunder force 4

>>11888256
Surface level.

>>11888254
>Dead Space, House of the Dead
They already were on other systems. The controls are good for some games, but it didn't really make full use of this. Could have been way more interesting console.

>>11888254
Disaster: Day of Crisis is also partially an on rails shooter

>>11888262
The original on-rails ones developed for Wii, you secondary.
Yes, there were also ports of a whole tonne of arcade games (including HoTD 2 and 3). I wasn't talking about those.

Oh, apparently this is also a thing that exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL8VDyf7RaQ
see, you find new games all the time on the Wii.

>>11888256
Good list but Shinobi 2 is kinda crap. Compared to the 3rd game I mean. Streets of Rage are overrated, Beat-em-up games are just boring, unless it's Turtles (Hyperstone Heist is kino, surprised you didn't mention it).
Thunder Force series is standard boring slop'em'up. R-Type beats it out of the water.

>>11887384 (OP)
I feel the same way.
The only SNES game I play these days is Super Mario All Stars + World with the brick fix patch.

>>11888293
It's ok to admit you got filtered.
Couldn't do the motorway level could you?

>>11888337
I just don't like those kind of games br0, gamers have different taste.

Reminder that OP isn't a Sega fan either, just a guy who hates Nintendo. He assumes the role of a Sega fan because it's convenient for him. He hates Japanese gaming

>>11888227
I just like the Genesis library more. Maybe the SNES has some games like the Genesis, but SNES fans don't seem to espouse them.

I would say that the SNES library is underrated.

>>11888356
>hates Nintendo
>praises N64

>hates Japanese gaming
>7 out of the 9 games listed as exceptional are Japanese

Snes: Rpgs.
Genesis Action games.

>>11888445
Yes, he will post whatever it takes to get (You)s and try to make the Super Nintendo stop being liked. Even if that means naming games he doesn't care about/never played, because he knows if he mentions the actual games he grew up with (british microcomputer games) he'd be just mocked. By using Sega games or other Nintendo systems as ammo against the SNES, he can (or hopes he can) get other people to join in the SNES bashing. In the end he has to samefag.

>>11888236
Toe Jam and Earl
Shadowrun
Ecco
Beyond Oasis
D&D Eternal Sun
Mutant League
Kid Chameleon
Light Crusader


NOT streets of rage 1, that other guy is an idiot.

>>11887475
>Nobody mentioned fucking Mario Kart, the game Nintendo banks on until this day
That's cuz Mario Kart is trash.
It's not a good game, it's just some shit you play with friends.

>>11888454
The SNES has maybe a hundred or more good action games though.

>>11888627
They should finally release those then.

>>11888657
When you add up all of the beat em ups, action platformers, shmups, and run and gun games, I think that's a modest estimate, if anything.
You people treat these consoles as if the "best-of" compilations are all that exists.
You know, something like Operation Logic Bomb wont even get listed in people's top ten, or twenty, or fifty games, but it's a pretty good game.
Not spoonfeeding you anymore. You need to find stuff on your own.

>>11888676
And fighting games, and wrestling games, and vehicular combat games, for that matter.

>>11888687
>wrestling games
Are not good games.

>>11887384 (OP)
super metroid mogs all your favorite n64 games which aren't even its best single player titles
n64 was mainly a couch console that sucked if you didn't have friends (mk64, goldeneye, dkr, perfect dark)

>>11887384 (OP)
You sound like a faggot that hasn't played very many games.

>>11888748
Name them, I probably have

>>11888743
>super metroid mogs all your favorite n64 games which aren't even its best single player titles
delusional

>>11888786
>please spoonfeed me!
It's not that hard to find good Super Nintendo games

>>11887384 (OP)
What a stupid shitpost of a thread.

>>11888847
It has many merely good games, just not many exceptional ones.

>>11888858
you are an exceptional retard

Nintendo Libraries ranked objectively:

NES>N64>SNES>GC