When will the 7th generation count as retro gaming?

>>11895734 (OP)
Never, gen 7 onward is totally homogenized

>>11895734 (OP)
Never, fuck your childhood

why you want so hard to talk about dark souls on this board

We should just branch and have something like vr1 and vr2 at that point. the board will get too diluted at that point for any group to be happy so there is no case where it’s a good idea. because VR is a slow board it would not be usable if gen 4 and 5 threads are getting bumped off the board because people are talking about call of duty modern warfare 2 and stupid shit like that. And people making thread about Wii games and stuff will just get mad when people tell them no one here wants to see their threads about super smash brothers brawl. My favorite console generation is Xbox/ps2/gamecube and I would even take one for the team and say you could move that generation to the board with the Wii and shit if there is no other way to split the two groups even though I do not want to get sent to VR2

>>11895734 (OP)
there's really no excuse for ds and psp at least, they made an exception for the dreamcast when it was 5th gen and earlier and no one complained about that

>>11895750
Splitting them from 1-4 and 5-7 sounds good to me. The 3D split is honestly enough of a shift.

>>11895734 (OP)
I've been picking up 7th gen stuff for pennies for the past 5 years, and it really shows the soul drain in vidya from around that era. Most worthwhile stuff was better on PC, and our master japs took a nasty dip at game craft

Wii, NDS and PSP are the clear retro-adjacent platforms, maybe it should start there

>>11895734 (OP)
Dreamcast was added in 2014 so 15-16 years after release.
PS2, Gamecube and Xbox were added in 2020 so 19-20 years after release.

Never
*dabs*

>>11895750
Maybe an old videogames board. There's nothing retro about the PS3 and 360, the games released at the time still look good nowadays. Wii can't be retro because gimmicks and the PSP looked like a portable PS2.
Only the DS would probably fit well with the rest of /vr/ games.

>>11895739
>>11895740
angry old people upset the world is leaving them behind,
7th gen started 20 years ago and ended 10 years ago

>>11895770
There are PS2 and gamecube games that still look good too. And I'm pretty sure people would call virtualboy games or duck hunt retro even though they used gimmicks.

>>11895773
>pulls up to a vintage car show in his 2006 Honda Civic and has a meltdown when the boomers ask him to leave because his car doesn't belong

>>11895758
I don’t think that would work, at that point you would need something like vr1-vr3. N64 and ps1 fans have little in common with people wanting to talk about the Wii Xbox 360 and ps3. Xbox GameCube and ps2 was the start of online gaming and makes more sense for the cutoff to be there for that reason. N64 and ps1 are entirely offline experiences that work out of the box. No updates no patches no dlc.

my concern with a retro board including the Xbox 360 Wii and ps3 is there would be so many trash threads that every time someone wanted to talk about an older game it would just be gone in a day or two.

The only other alternative would be vr2 being entirely dedicated to the Wii generation and would also be where the future retro consoles go. You can’t have a thread about goldeneye or Spyro or something if every day there are 10 new trash threads about gears of war and call of duty black ops and such.

>>11895776
They look good but I don't think any PS2 game would pass as a new release in 2025.

>>11895782
Complete with body kit and under lights like one of those based fast and furious tuner cars kek

>>11895782
thats a totally different scenario,
games have evolved much faster than automobiles. the standards of age for both of these are different. just cuz 7th gen games may look good doesnt mean they are not old and not retro

>>11895784
Why would there be so many more threads about call of duty than spyro? /v/ allows everything and I never see call of duty threads, but there are spyro threads fairly often. 4chan tends to talk about single player experiences more.

>>11895786
Not a AAA new release, but then that's true for the PS3 too. God of War 3 or Final Fantasy XIII were some of the best looking games on the console, but their graphical fidelity clearly doesn't hold up anymore (even if the art direction is still very good).
For AA and lower though both could still pass.

>>11895734 (OP)
i can't wait to talk about the hit games mgr from platinum games and demon souls from FS i played back when i was 12, pure retro

>>11895734 (OP)
Never. Gen 7 was the move to HD as the new standard and by extension the end of the "retro era".

>>11895770
I think the reason that ps2 and DS and such can still be considered retro is that many of these games had stuff like baked lighting and you can still see pixels and stuff when you look at stuff. The concept of a game with bloom being retro is kind of absurd and honestly anything made during the same generation as crysis being in the same board as an Atari game is retarded. this is where judgement and common sense comes into play and this is why I’m saying you would need to split the boards at this point.

>>11895794
Just my gut feeling how the board would perform in practice. In general most people who like /vr/ shit are older and are not as chronically online as younger people who want to talk about newer consoles. Guys talking about the ps1 and n64 on average have busier lives than the sort of people who want to talk about games from the 360 generation. I’m talking about people who are married and have careers versus people in their mid 20s. Also the different demographics will have a different communication style which will disrupt the board with more shitposting than there already is. Just don’t see it playing out well when a 40 year old boomer wants to talk about kingsfield and resident evil 1 and sees like 10 threads about borderlands Wii sports and Skyrim and such on his retro games board.

>>11895804
the ps3 and 360 came out 20 years ago, just because they still look good or are capable of more advanced graphics doesnt mean it isnt retro. the whole idea that hd or better graphics being the cutoff for retro makes no sense. you cant grandfather clause that shit. by that logic there is nothing anymore that could ever be considered 'retro', even 50 years down the line, time keeps moving and games keep evolving.

>>11895791
I don't think those games should be ignored or anything, I just think there should be some delineation of gaming eras that is more than just once it reaches a certain age, it gets lumped in with "retro" or whatever. There's clearly other ways to do it, and I'd say the 6th generation inclusion absolutely overstepped the bounds of logical groupings (and honestly even the 5th gen), but at a certain point it does feel simply ludicrous to do things like lumping the PS3 in the same "retro" designation as the 2600. At the end of the day, it's just 4chan shit so who cares, but I do think there would be value in leaving /vr as-is, and making a separate board to discuss post-/vr, but pre current gen consoles. I know prior to 6th gen inclusion that some suggested a /v2k board, which I think would be a good idea (and if created, move 6th gen discussion over there).

>>11895813
you couldnt lump in n64 or ps1 with the 2600 but we do it anyway.
i do agree that a third option for those other years would be a solution

Never

Retro = SD resolution and CRT

It's like asking when the modern period will be medieval: never

I was in the "add 6th gen hard cutoff" camp for yrs. This is the proper stopping point. Wait 10yrs and make a /vr2 but leave us out.

>>11895821
Retro is defined by the past, not by SD and CRT.

>>11895810
You saying that makes me feel like you are a zoomer and this is particularly a subject that you feel is about you. When people were saying that the ps2 generation shouldn’t be here it already was something people were arguing about. it’s still weird to me that there are now threads here about the ps2 gen. I said it before but that generation is my favorite console generation. So I am not biased by saying that if it comes down to it where we are going to allow even more games to be talked about here past it, I would prefer it if the ps2 gen and the ps3 gen are lumped together and put on a vr2 board. VR is a slow board by its nature and the more that you dilute it with a larger pool of consoles the worse that the board will perform. It isn’t a matter of your asinine semantics about x years pass = retro but a question of in practice what makes sense and works and what doesn’t make sense and will not work well. If you allow people to talk about the ps3 gen here this board will essentially just be /v/ but a 2010 version of /v/ which obviously is not the point of what this board is about.

I feel fine adding the handhelds like the ds/3ds and psp. Maybe even the vita since everything is on pc anyway lmao

>>11895828
That's only because of your age, people younger than you will advocate for the next gen be on /vr/
>>11895821
7th gen was made during CRT's too
Wii is strictly CRT too

I would not suggest moving the date cutoff further, but a better idea would be to (eventually) just make it completely system agnostic to let in the older DS and PSP games.

Keeping the cutoff at the start of the HD console era just makes sense.

When gen alpha calls you the boomer, zoomer

>>11895841
Any console with HDMI will never be retro.

Stop pushing for the worst gen to be on this board.

>>11895821
>castle has pixels you can shoot arrows from
Confirmed for /vr/

>>11895837
>will advocate for the next gen be on /vr/
And they can have it... on /vr2. It's just as good. Separate but equal some would say.

>>11895853
If I tell you 6th gen should move there too, what would you say?

>>11895854
Sure.

>>11895750
A split would honestly be preferable desu. I think that way pre gen 4 systems would have proper representation because right now the board is mostly gen 5 and 6 discussion with some gen 4 discussion and very little discussion of anything else. Having gen 5 be the most recent one to discuss on vr1 might encourage more discussion on older systems which I think would lead to a higher quality board. As much as I'd love to talk about Mario Kart DS and Smash Brawl on here, I think adding gen 7 would kill any pre gen 5 discussion and would also invite more retards too.

>>11895832
Work well for what? This board is about discussing retro gaming and 7th gen stuff is already part of the retro hobby. Finding old consoles and games requires garage sales and ebay. Getting the games to run on PC often requires tons of janky troubleshooting. The only games from that era still in mainstream discussion are the ones with re-releases, remakes, and/or a strong modding scene e.g. Skyrim.

psp and ds: now is fine
360 and ps3: 2040

I've been getting some 7th gen games lately cuz they are cheap as fuck and I too was thinking to myself "God damn it's been 20 years."
The problem is games from 7th gen to today haven't really evolved at all. Sure mass effect 1 and elden ring certainly have a big difference in graphics quality but are they really that different?
They look and play like modern games idk anon it just doesn't fit here.
Ps2 xbox and gamecube are far enough.
And just so you dont think I'm shitting on your wii I say this as someone who played a lot of halo 3 and other things with the boys in my younger days.

>>11895863
This seems like a weird criticism given that many genres basically perfected their formulae before the 7th gen.
Many JRPGs play like the SNES final fantasies, RTS was perfected with Age of Empires 2, first person shooters haven't really evolved past Half-Life 2 and Halo:CE.

>>11895854
Even though I personally would like it to stay.. easy choice. Yes. Move it.

>>11895863
That's the thing. I think there were a lot of good games in 7th gen, but I also think that most of the AAA industry has plateaued and really heavily stagnated since. 8th and 9th gen just aren't any different at all, they're doing many of the same games as 7th gen, but usually they're doing them worse.

Far Cry 3? Yeah, I'll replay that one every now and then, but just about everything Ubisoft made after that is just the same thing but more and more worse.
It's also why started playing even more older games than ever before, I always emulated SNES games since the late 90s, but it made me check out the Genesis and a whole bunch of Game Boy (Color/Advance) stuff that I missed out on back then, and so much of it feels so fresh in comparison.

I got a LOT of good use out of my PS3, but I ended up only really using my PS4 for Doom 4, and I was initially pissed that PS5 came out so fast after I got my PS4, but it turns out there's still nothing on PS5 that I actually want, so I still haven't gotten one, and probably never will.

>>11895782
>>pulls up to a vintage car show in his 2006 Honda Civic and has a meltdown when the boomers ask him to leave because his car doesn't belong
You don't know nothing about cars.

>>11895810
7th gen games look and play exactly like the current gen. Almost zero evolution since then.

>>11895832
>>11895831

>>11895734 (OP)
I think PSP and DS should be allowed because they feel like 6th gen platforms with libraries that consist of many 4th and 5th gen games.

Even some very early 7th gen games feel retro. I mean we can talk about Crysis or Bioshock or Gears of War but not some X360 game from 2005.

>>11895853
This is for the best for all parties because there is no way people are going to make 7th gen threads here without getting constantly shitposted

>>11895854
If it’s the only way it works then it’s fine. Personally I think it would be interesting to see how the board performs only as 7th gen initially because there are so many games from that gen people still talk about today on a daily basis I suspect it would have a lot of board activity. And would be a good launch to later add 8th gen too. but if it ended up being slow the 6th gen being there could work also and could offload some of the threads from here. Ultimately it is a matter of what works in practice not the theory of what works or what our opinions are. The 6th gen is like the bridge between the older consoles and the newer consoles so it can be in either category. As I said earlier it was the first generation with online play and DLC so anyone can make an argument which era it belongs to it just is a matter of how convincing they want to be.


>>11895857
I’m glad you get it

>>11895859
the entire concept of “retro” games is like the concept of someone being “Japanese” which has a double meaning. People in Japan say you are only Japanese by being ethnically Japanese and it has nothing to do with you living there or being born there. The phrase retro game is like this where it has a double meaning and there is the literal meaning and the other meaning which is more specific and the lines are blurred and people use them
Interchangeably.

as I said before if this board becomes /v/ 2010 edition it eliminates half of this boards appeal and identity. I like coming here to learn about games I have never played before or heard about. From an era where I was barely playing games or just starting out. if every time I come here people are talking about shit me and my friends played in HS the board has a greatly diminished value.

(Cont)

>>11895878
Mostly true, though I think 8th and 9th gen games mostly play like much worse 7th gen games. The same stuff, but just not good.

PS3, 360, Wii, PSP and NDS are 20yo, is fucking retro. I think we should create a "7th gen general /7gen/" or some bullshit so boomers can handle it without suffering a heart attack.

To be fair fair this is filled with tendie bullshit too and that is worst than talking about Demon's Souls or Minecraft.

We should have a "Tendie VR" board, those sixty-foh tendies and gaycubers are the fucking worst, and I bet NDS and Wii faggots are going to be even worst.

Fuck tendies man

what really needs to happen is allow discussion of any game but require you show your id so we can see your race and age and filter posts from people like you.

>>11895883
(Cont) the number one appeal of /vr/ is that you can make a thread about older games here that simply would not get much traction on /v/ and that is part of what necessitates /vr/ being a board. many of the games talked about here would get 5 posts on /v/ or maybe 20 if you were lucky before getting bumped off the board. Here those threads can get hundreds of posts. And this further illustrates my point when I say to further saturate this board with yet ANOTHER generation of games would ruin it. so either accept not having gen 7 here or have a seperate board for gen 7 and if gen 6 is moved there and it functions better that way then so be it.

>>11895883
>I like coming here to learn about games I have never played before or heard about. From an era where I was barely playing games or just starting out. if every time I come here people are talking about shit me and my friends played in HS the board has a greatly diminished value.
This still applies to 7th gen stuff for most users. Retro isn't defined by your personal experiences. I played PS3 games in HS too, but it's obviously still a fucking retro console. And retro discussion is often about overlooked titles on any system, not just the big hits everybody played.

What if we have a zoomer vr with 6th and 7th gen and a booomer vr with 5gen and older?

>>11895887
Good idea honestly, tendies shit up every board.

I would be fine with this board becoming gens 1-5 and then a second board being for gens 6-7, having a second board JUST for Gen 7 would be odd.

They aren't gonna make a new board, they're just gonna let 7th gen kids to shitpost about how brawl and gta4 were their childhood or allow the horde of soulstards to shitpost daily.

>>11895854
Absolutely. We'd get much more opportunity to talk about 6th Gen sharing a board with 7th than having all those generations squished together.

>>11895891
You obviously don’t understand what I wrote. You are more interested in being “right” than understanding what makes sense in practice and is better for all parties involved. Re read my post again and this time do it slowly so maybe you understand it. /vr/ is a slow board. That is part of what makes it work well. With every console generation that you add here, you will get exponentially more threads being generated on a daily basis where the threads we have now will become impossible. The 6th gen being here (and I say it is my favorite again so you understand where I’m coming from) already is causing problems where it’s sliding other threads off the board because now there are 100s of gen 6 threads being generated making it harder to talk about older games. If you add gen 7 to this it will just be exponentially harder to talk about those old games and at that point as I have said now multiple times— the board in practice will merely become /v/ from 2010. this not only destroys the original purpose of /vr/ but also kneecaps your ability to talk about gen 7 stuff because people here will still be trying to talk about generations and it will basically not work well for any purpose. I don’t care what your opinion is of what a retro is because that isn’t the point I’m arguing. my point is that for all parties included having a seperate board which includes gen 7 will function much better for everyone involved and to include gen 6 is essentially a show of good faith on my part that I don’t consider it a containment board for mouth breathers.

>>11895904
>flappy bird general

>>11895875
I'm sorry the boomers didn't classify the ricer you got at 16 as a vintage car just because it's old.

>>11895909
This. Gen 6 was my childhood and my favorite but I'd gladly share a board with 7th if it saves this board from turning into complete shit.

I think 7th is "retro" but there's a generation gap and I don't like zoomers. I think is a great idea to have, if possible, another board to discuss 7th and 6th gen. A vintage (this) and a retro board (6th and 7th gen). We are getting old, and we should let those brainrot mofos discuss their bullshit like Kinect and Skyrim, but like most of you, I don't want to have that bullshit here.

>>11895909
You say all parties involved but you really mean yourself. It would not be 2010 /v/ because it wouldn't be full of news or drama shit. Yes the board would speed up, but it's too slow now.

>>11895734 (OP)
I remember making a thread about running emulators on a 360 a few years ago and it got deleted in a few minutes, and I got a 3 day global ban. Now this kind of shit is allowed to persist until archiving, and we have a general dedicated to modern handhelds. This board is doomed. I used to think allowing 6th gen was great because I could talk about stuff like early PS2 games, but clearly giving an inch means giving a mile. There is an obvious demand for a /v/, /vr/ and /v2k/ or equivelant to live in harmony, but the administration doesn't agree for some reason. They want to maximize ad profit and they think making a third board will split the userbase up too much, when in reality 90% of the same people posting on /vr/ would happily also post on /v2k/ in tandem. It's almost like they want to create as much drama as possible so the entire site dies and everyone moves on to reddit.

>>11895925
I think we might have almost no jannies or mods left on /vr/ after the hack, reports almost never get answered anymore. It would help to open up for sign ups so that users on the board could take the matter into their own hands, but they aren't, so we can't.

>>11895917
>I'm sorry the boomers didn't classify the ricer you got at 16 as a vintage car just because it's old.
Boomers loves the Prelude, even a 05. You are talking shit and you know nothing.

>>11895923
You are either retarded or being disingenuous. How can you get the impression I’m saying this because it benefits me when I said that my favorite console generation can be placed in either board and I would accept that? That is literally the furthest standpoint I could have from being biased. You actually might have brain damage for real.


the board is not too slow now because it serves a function, and that function is that older games here can get enough time to have a proper thread that they would not have received otherwise. If you actually care about older games this is the place to go to find out about games before your time and a place where you can ask about these games and learn about them from people who can teach you a lot. In many ways this is the only board I can go to where I can reliably learn shit and have proper conversations without the thread being gone after 2 hours. by the threads lasting for multiple days we get the input of many different people. you are wrong and it’s because you are coming from a place of being emotionally biased and as I said before you only want to be right.you do not care about what functions best for the majority.

If you do not think there would be drama here by adding gen 7 again you are again being disingenuous or you are incredibly naive. there is an entirely separate issue at hand being that a large component of the fan base of gen 4 and earlier shit is an entirely different sort of person than a lot of the fans of gen 7 games, and the two personality types would not mix or mesh well in anyway. As I said before it would be a bunch of pissed off 40 year old boomers arguing with a bunch of arrogant 20 year old zoomers. There would be some 30 year olds and late 20 something’s in the middle caught in the crossfire. It would be a total shit show. You have no capability of thinking more than a single step ahead.

>>11895925
Honestly I'm just waiting for a /vr/ themed altchan or something. /vr/ is definitely my favorite board but it's gonna go down the shitter at this rate. I got a concept for an altchan written out but there's just no way it'd logistically get a user base, let alone retain one.

>>11895967
And you appear to be forgetting all the drama around splitting /v/ in the first place. There's always drama no matter what, and this godforsaken website has no actual staff interested in making it better.
I'd be all for a /v2k/ board too, just like I'd be for a janny who actually does their job and removes all the coombait threads that have made the biggest boards unusable, but I don't see it happening. So in the meantime when I want to discuss retro gaming with the 7th gen this is the most reasonable place to do it.

Retro is 20yo old
Vintage is 21 up to 99years old

>>11895925
>>11895925
Not only is the administration not agreeing for som off reason... They also make new videogame boards that nobody asked for. It's absolutely insanity, especially at how intense /v2k/ debates have been in the past. It's like they want to destroy /vr/.

>>11895857
>Having gen 5 be the most recent one to discuss on vr1 might encourage more discussion on older systems which I think would lead to a higher quality board.
It was like that not very long ago and yes it was a much higher quality board.

>>11895734 (OP)
There would have to be have been a significant improvement or leap after HD gaming in my mind. It can't be retro when games today play identically. and barely look better

>>11895981
You can do whatever you want it isnt my board I’m just saying that it isn’t going to get any better discussing 7th gen here. I can make a thread about obscure 2000 RTS games here and it can last for a week and people will teach me things about the game I never knew, where on /v/ it won’t even get one reply. Once we allow gen 7 here that will be impossible.

>>11895734 (OP)
it never will be, but we will allow ds and psp since they follow the spirit of retro consoles (ds being mainly 2d and psp being a ps1.5)

>>11896019
no

2 boards, 6th & 7th, 5th and older. 7th gen is going to kill this board. Is not a matter of what is or is not retro; how old a console it. This faggot >>11896006 has a valid point.

PS3 chads will win. I cannot wait.

>>11896060
7th gen shouldn't be here, but if your opinion isn't "thank god we had the DS and PSP, because I can count the number of good console games on one hand (MAYBE two hands) and PC was just World of Warcraft for the entire gen" then you're objectively fucking stupid

>>11896062
Time is running out, Boomer. Prepare yourself.

>>11895734 (OP)
ah yes, such classic retro games like The Last of Us and GTA V

>>11896062
I agree, but I always end up enjoying new consoles. It seems to confirm my biases too which is fun. PS3 and 360 will be the most popular here by a large margin.

I am playing MGS4 right now. I would not call it a retro game from any angle. Least of all the fact that I spent some 30 minutes copying to my PS3's harddrive then actually installing it. I will never think of this as "retro gaming"

Why do you care so much if people here started discussing hardware and software that are 20 years old ?

>>11895734 (OP)
It shouldn't be retro unless you can prominently see the pixels/polygons.

>>11896062
Tick tock grandpa. Time's up.

How many anons here browse /vr/ just to trick themselves into feeling young, not like they’re in their late 20s or 30s, instead of actually talking about retro games?

>>11896081
I'm just a zoomer who likes retro vidya so I can't relate. Although I will say I hope your youth didn't devolve into shouting matches about how the Saturn could be saved.

>>11896067
>>11896074
>I-It wasn't the worst gen in gamings history s-stop it

7th gen has
>Birth of the open world game
>Birth of the microtransaction
>Birth of Ass creed and ubislop
>Birth of paid online
>We want the call of duty audience
>Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts
>Death of Bioware (DA2, ME3, TORtanic)
>Advent of always online games which would go on to fuck up several classic franchises like Diablo and Sim City
>Mobile games, mobile game sequels to games that hadn't had sequels in ages like Dungeon Keeper
>Pay to Win
>All of PC gamings effort went into failing to court WoW players away from their crack
>Bad Zeldas
>Bad Mario
>Bad Smash
>Nintendo was stuck on wagglan for 3/4ths of the goddamn generation and touch for like the first third
>Kinect
>PS move
>The slow, creeping decline of Blizzard Entertainment following Wrath of the Lich King
>Bad Final Fantasy
>Metroid Other M
>Sonic 06
>Bomberman Act 0
>Horse Armor
>Skyrim cementing Bethesda and Elder Scrolls as complete shitshows that cant replicate Morrowind or even Oblivion
>MGSV coming crashing down and resulting in the exile of Hideo Kojima and the death of MGS
>Bioshock Infinite
>DmC Devil May Cry
>Endless PS3 hacks
Oh but hey, Dark Souls and Demon Souls were pretty good, if only to indicate their might be a light at the end of the tunnel.

7th gen was a plague the industry is literally still recovering from. I genuinely think for as bleak as they are that the 8th and 9th have had more good games than the 7th by a truckload. 7th Gen couldn't DREAM of something like Baldurs Gate 3 or Astrobot actually being made by a big studio, let alone it getting GOTY.

>>11896089
>pixelshit indie roguelights and bear sex gate 3 good
kill yourself you mulatto poser faggot

Please don't let Persona 5 on /vr/

>>11896092
Actual 7th gen /v/ would have murdered 3 or 4 vidya journalists to make a major CRPG or 3D platformer happen for themselves. You would know if you weren't 7 when those threads were happening.

>>11896089

>>11896098
Let me tell you I felt things typing that list out

>>11896089
>Birth of the open world game
GTA 3 came out in 6th gen
>Birth of the microtransaction
Had been happening on PC for ages
>bad zeldas, mario, smash
They've always been shit
>All of PC gamings effort went into failing to court WoW players away from their crack
Crysis came out in 7th gen
>Bad final fantasy
13 is the second best mainline in the franchise and Dissidia is the best overall title in the franchise

You're a retard

>>11896101
Time's up, old man.

>>11896106
>>11896108

>>11895734 (OP)
DO YOUR FUCKING JOB

>>11896092
That's how bad 7th gen is, that those games are simply better than what most of what 7th gen has to offer.

>>11896089
You could do an entire we didnt start the fire parody to how bad the 7th gen was

>>11896118
actually, the issue is that you're brown, underaged and gay, but carry on.

>>11896121
>Zoomer worked into a shoot over the fact that most of us were actually there for his """"Childhood nostalgia"""" and know it was total dogshit

>>11896121
Imagine getting that salty defending 7th gen.

>B-Brown

I don't get it, is the discussion here about why 7th gen consoles aren't considered retro because of their age and design approach, or is it because their library sucks?

>>11896089
>Birth of the open world game
6th gen
>Birth of the microtransaction
6th gen
>Birth of Ass creed and ubislop
Ass Creed 1 and 2 are masterpieces.
>Birth of paid online
WoW, 6th gen
>We want the call of duty audience
What? Are you having an stroke, gramps?
>Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts
Good game, but boomers wanted a Threeie
>Death of Bioware (DA2, ME3, TORtanic)
Dragon Age Origin, Inquisition, Mass Effect 1 and 2.
>Advent of always online games which would go on to fuck up several classic franchises like Diablo and Sim City
You can play Diablo III offline on PS3 and X360, you oldfuck.
>Mobile games, mobile game sequels to games that hadn't had sequels in ages like Dungeon Keeper
6th gen, Carmack pioneer it with WolfRPG on Java (feature) phones.
>Pay to Win
Just don't pay or don't play it, boomer faggot.
>All of PC gamings effort went into failing to court WoW players away from their crack
WoW is 6th gen.
>Bad Zeldas
>Bad Mario
Always has been
>Bad Smash
Always has been
>Nintendo was stuck on wagglan for 3/4ths of the goddamn generation and touch for like the first third
Do you even speak English or is your 2nd stroke?
>Kinect
Based, I played lots of Dance Central with my gf and sister
>PS move
Based, proto PSVR
>The slow, creeping decline of Blizzard Entertainment following Wrath of the Lich King
6th gen
>Bad Final Fantasy
Always has been
>Metroid Other M
Is not that bad
>Sonic 06
Is kinokusoge
>Bomberman Act 0
Haven't play it.
>Horse Armor
Just a cosmetic paid item, what's wrong with milking idiots?
>Skyrim cementing Bethesda and Elder Scrolls as complete shitshows that cant replicate Morrowind or even Oblivion
You can keep playing Morrowing faggot, and Oblivion is 7th gen, you mummy.
>MGSV coming crashing down and resulting in the exile of Hideo Kojima and the death of MGS
why boomers suck Kojimbo this hard?
>Bioshock Infinite
Is great
>DmC Devil May Cry
Is great, it made boomers seethe because "muh white hair"
>Endless PS3 hacks
Huh?

>>11896138
it's because my bogeyman will ruin the board forever, ignore how i'm doing that right now

>>11895773
Not him but he's completely correct. The difference between the newest CoD and Black Ops 1 as far as gameplay and mechanics is much more similar than Goldeneye and Halo CE. When Halo came out, Goldeneye was a 4 year old game. When Black Ops 6 came out, Black Ops was a 14 year old game.

>>11896138
Over-40yo faggots can’t face the fact they’re ancient and are scared shitless of the youth. It’s like some cranky grandma shitting on boomers for loving rock and roll, calling it trash. Same deal with these old farts in denial.

>>11896138
Combination of both.

Summarized as briefly as I can. The leap to HD/Internet Integration as a standard is so significant that it creates a large enough divide between before and after that you can't possibly justify it being considered retro when the entire industry today is still basically recovering from being forced into HD early because Televisions, TV shows, and Movies were all ready. The 7th gen was an all encompassing change, there isn't a facet of the industry that wasn't altered for it. The lack of preparation that video game hardware and developers had to handle HD heading into the gen is the driving factor that caused the simplification/near disappearance of level design, brown and bloom, basically all complexity had to die in order to get HD models rendered in real time.

One day 7th gen would fit in /vr/. But the next leap would need to happen. I think we're maybe close, maybe by the end of this upcoming generation. But Gen 8 and 9 are just "The HD gen" mark 2 and 3, getting slightly less bad at HD game development each time. We're basically back to being capable of mechnical complexity similar to the 90s and 2000s now, but the problem is that games take 8+ years to make now.
Once it's not just another generation thats iteration on the 7th generation, you can post about your dogwater ass Xbox 360 and PS3 here.

>>11895904
Or worse. They'll let people talk about fucking Minecraft, a game which has overstayed its welcome since twenty twelve and zoomers are now calling it a retro and have nostaglia for it, despite being still popular and getting updates to this day.

>>11896106
>>Birth of the open world game
>GTA 3 came out in 6th gen
Elder Scrolls Arena came out in 1994
>>bad zeldas, mario, smash
>They've always been shit
Mario and Zelda were always good, but I could understand thinking that if your exposure to the franchises were Gamecube/Wii.
>>Bad final fantasy
>13 is the second best mainline in the franchise and Dissidia is the best overall title in the franchise
Fucking lmao. The game is about as linear as a CoD campaign and it has no overworld.

If your 7th gen device isn't
>It's a media box!
Then I could see allowing it. Which is essentially a Wii/PsP/DS clause.

>>11896170
>The game is about as linear as a CoD campaign and it has no overworld.
So what? That's not what final fantasy is about. Play elder scrolls if you like that shit. Final fantasy is about narratively-driven party-based JRPGs.

>>11895734 (OP)
Never. Retro = pixellated 2d shit.

>>11896170
>Fucking lmao. The game is about as linear as a CoD campaign and it has no overworld.
You haven't tried Lightning Returns. Like that boomer calling out Bioshock Infinite. Imagine being 50yo and being mad because times goes by.

Cannot wait to talk about my favorite TF2 update, the Engineer update.

>>11895992
>They also make new videogame boards
*made. They haven't added shit in five years.

>>11896176
>Like that boomer calling out Bioshock Infinite.
I played through the entire game, it's one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever played.

>>11896187
>I played through the entire game, it's one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever played.
How old are you?

I legitimately can't wait to post about my favorite retro game in November.

>>11896193
You said it senpai

>Wait a minute...that card

>>11896196

>>11896176
>You haven't tried Lightning Returns
You're right.
>>11896174
And adventure.

Remember when the biggest issue we had were late millennials and early zoomzoons wanting to allow 6th generation discussion? And now we have late zoomzooms unironically wanting the fucking PS3 to be discussed as /vr.
You know what, fuck it. Include PS4. As soon as a new generation is released, just make all prior hardware retro and be done with it. The Switch is my favorite retro console, and Echoes of Wisdom is my favorite retro Zelda game!

Gen 7 is when I started browsing 4chan and /v/, to me was a "before and after" regarding the way I perceive the medium. Like, it became less respectable, like a parody of itself. That's just my perception, but desu social networks in general came in gen7 and with it the mainstreamification of gaming.

>Feminist Frequency: Tropes vs Women in Gaming
>The video game generation

>>11896060
PS3 gen was the start of the movie game which led to where we are today where a game looks good to the detriment of the actual gameplay and that design philosophy alone is enough reason as to why that generation doesn’t belong here despite having its own good games

You old farts have a modern handheld general but are malding over PS3.

>>11896205
And there was a large, rich adventure in 13. Are you pulling some retarded semantic argument where adventure = open world design?

>>11896216
>PS3 gen was the start of the movie game
Final Fantasy VII

>>11896217
*farts on your post*

>>11896217
>modern handheld general
That place is a zoomer colony and probably has high overlap with people wanting 7th gen.

>>11896219
Not necessarily but there's no exploration. It's worse than XII, X and X-II. But I haven't played it in so long that I really don't remember shit about it if I'm honest. It's the only one of the era I have no interest in revisiting.
>t. 25yo zoomer

>>11896219
IGN declared DmC and Final Fantasy XIII garbage, and their brainless followers just parroted the noise. Those idiots probably never even touched the games, spewing nonsense based on rumors, not actual playtime. The second I saw that crusty old critic trashing BioShock Infinite as awful or whining about the “death of BioWare” despite their work on Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1 in the same generation, it was obvious these are just senile old fools with dementia.

There's even a thread about an Anon playing XIII on /vrpg/ and most of them likes it too. Those 50yo faggots are older than my parents lmao

The 7th gen coincides with the advent of Gamergate and the wave of articles by journos whining about how awful and bland the stereotypical bald, white, cokehead-looking male protagonist was, and how we supposedly needed more diversity in gaming. That alone is reason enough why the PS3 and Xbox 360 shouldn't be seen as retro here.

>>11895786
It's time for a /vag/ - Ancient Video Games

>>11896231
>journos whining about how awful and bland the stereotypical bald, white, cokehead-looking male protagonist was, and how we supposedly needed more diversity in gaming
DmC was a victim of this and /vr/ boomers keep parroting that bullshit in 2025 lmao

>>11896229
>IGN declared DmC and Final Fantasy XIII garbage
IGN and every other source of """journalism""" in the 7th gen played goalie for every single bad game and decision every major publisher did. Get fucked retard.

>>11896223
>"I'm too old for a rebuttal and I fart a lot because I'm 50yo mummy"
I accept your concession, old fuck.

>>11896239
>Get fucked retard.
I'm not the one crying about the imminent 7th gen arrival. Keep dilating that sweet boomer ass.

>>11896248
I'm not him, but I'd be surprised if anybody in that thread is iver the age of 25 at the absolute maximum, and I'd argue that no, it shouldn't be allowed on here. It's the same kind of thing as the Doom generals, they're effectively zoomer social/meme colonies that are apparently allowed because they're tangentially related to something retro.

>>11896229
Yeah I noticed this at release and the stupid meme stayed around. Reviewers who liked COD played FF13 and were shocked that they had to invest in a long-form narrative RPG to get anything out of it, so they just called it bad and moved on.
>>11896226
It's a game about fugitives on the run in a hyper-advanced scifi theocracy that is fattening up the populace for a mass extinction event. Of course the exploration is back-ended to after they get to Pulse and there's only wilderness. That's what provides the narrative payoff.

Look no one is faulting you for growing up with ass games, if you're born after a certain points its just unavoidable.

But it's time to grow up and judge your childhood gen on it's (lack) of merit, peter pan

As of right now, there's about 26 threads on gen 6 alone (GBA, PS2, DC, GC, Xbox). That's already a shift of what the original purpose of this board is. Adding 7th gen will further push off older games which was the point of /vr/, most of these games have a hard time maintaining a foothold on a faster board. With a rule change like this it'll just further replace the user base with an influx of users that don't care about the current topic.

No, we aren't so /v/ brained we need a blazing fast board, it's nice to drop in once or twice a day and not miss much while still having decent movement. The only additional traffic that would be welcomed would be people actually interested in the topic rather than infiltrating the board and imposing their will. Just ask for a /v2k/.

>>11896289
>[...]this it'll just further replace the user base[...]
boomer discovers that time is running out.

>>11896290
Then you fail to acknowledge why the board was initially made. Because older games had a hard time gaining traction in a world when 7th gen was the present gen. It'll just create that problem once again here and defeat the purpose of the board. You insist on being invasive rather than having a board catered to /v2k/ so get away from /v/ while not further compromising the original intention of /vr/.

Imagine calling GTA V "retro". Its still one of the most played games on PS5. Gen 7 and beyond will never be retro because games just stopped advancing in any way technologically in that exact gen and they just play exactly like anything released today.

>>11896291
There's no point in arguing. As time goes on and young people reach the age when they want to discuss old games, they'll come to places like here, eventually feel like they're somehow not a special part of the in-group because their childhood consoles aren't considered "retro"/among the classics, come up with all sorts of arguments as to why those consoles should be included in the discussion, and also offer up why truly surely for real those would be the cutoff. Then, they get their way, are happy, then start complaining themselves when the cycle repeats and the consoles that they still view as newfangled tech are what the new young users are demanding should be considered as retro classics, for whatever reasons they can come up with. If the board survives long enough, you'll have people unironically arguing that the PS5 is more like the NES than it is the PS9, because the graphics were still SO primitive and didn't have 90% of its games' content shat out by generative AI.

One last thing I'll add to the thread before leaving it. As a zoomer born in 2005 who grew up with 7th gen, I can honestly agree with the sentiment that gaming hasn't changed too much since then. I can play Black Ops 1 for example and it doesn't feel old, not because it isn't (I mean it came out almost 15 years ago), but because it doesn't feel any different than modern games I've played. Change the lighting and it could've came out last year. Gameplay styles haven't changed a whole lot since then either, like people have been saying, the core mechanics of CoD have remained the same for a while. Also as I've said earlier in the thread, adding another gen to /vr/ would most likely kill any discussion of games made before 5th gen. Pre gen 4 threads rarely get traction as is, adding 7th gen would most likely turn even gen 4 threads into page 10 residents. /v2k/ would be awesome, hell, adding DS and PSP to /vr/ would be pretty cool, but by adding 7th gen home consoles, you might as well just redirect the board to /v/.

>>11896217
A general which is also extremely shitty.

>>11896117
There's nobody to do it. Haven't you noticed?

>>11896289
One way to "solve" that is pin some generational threads. No need for lazy bumps. Will probably be worse for general thread quality as the few decent posters will prefer to frequent those and that might prevent posting threads about games that might interest people into other gens.

It's all just mitigation anyway. Board quality will always get worse if you keep stretching. /vr/ is already more accomodating than reddit of all places which still cuts-off at DC (but GBA for handhelds). Not very based frfr og.

This thread reads like low effort garbage. The only thing I know it's that OP is a fag

>>11895734 (OP)
I consider that generation retro already. A lot of fond memories playing the games of the day.

>>11896381
good to know you are even worse than I gave you credit for, and your bar was so fucking low before

>>11895739
Modern gaming start when triangle stopped being the cancel button, which is a few years into the PS3 generation.

>>11896406
Nobody cares about your your moaning and shitty takes, bitchass faggot. Marble table Anon is based.

>>11896419
cant be an anon if hes got a fucking avatar

>>11896421
>cant be an anon if hes got a fucking avatar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pePpxU58M

>>11896421
You're saying I'm not anonymous now?

>>11896216
>>11896221
Never forget that Square Enix was advertising FF7 by hyping up the cutscenes and shitting on Nintendo for not being able to fill their games with cutscenes

>nooooo the cutoff for /vr/ approved games should remain at 2007!!!
no fuck you, retro kinos such as GTA IV, Fallout 3 and Valkyria Chronicles are 17 years old you sick boomers!
just like you arrogant cunts swore up and down the 6th gen will never be retro only for based mods to add it to /vr/ it will happen once again with the 7th gen
you can shove your cringe /v2k/ up your asses, this is out board now

>>11896089
>>11896120
>Xbox has a red ring
>Banjo is building things
>Platformers, Point-and-click
>Genres in decline
>Waggle and a stylus pen
>Call of Duty yet again
>Gritty reboots, even Smash
>Paying for online

>Mario's no longer New
>Zelda's got some problems too
>Open worlds, Ubislop
>Buy horse armor from the shop
>FF13 was a bust
>Losing my consumer trust
>Sonic's fame, up in flames
>PSTriple has no games!

>We didn't ruin gaming
>It was always dying
>But we just keep buying

One of the most retarded threads ever

>>11896468
>retro kinos such as GTA IV, Fallout 3 and Valkyria Chronicles are 17 years old you sick boomers!
but doesn't that mean they are still underrage and not old enough to drink at /vr/ bar?

>>11896468
Fallout 3 really wasn't that good though.

>>11896469
>>Call of Duty yet again
faggot how many megaman did Capcom shove up your ass? 16?

Sad the level of stupidity displayed here. Some motherfuckers deserve a really brutal death

The Nintendo Switch is more retro than the PS3 and is already old as fuck.

Kill OP

Hey boomers: How /hhg/ is retro but PS3 is not? My brain is to young and healthy to comprehend your bullshit, could you explain it? Thanks.

>>11896147
>bad game good actually
>hurr durr I dunno know what that means
based retard

>>11896468
The idea that age determines retro is fucking retarded. The PS4 came out in 2013. In 2030, are we seriously going to consider the PS4 retro? Fuck no. PS4 games won't feel "outdated" for at least another 15 years at the rate games are going. The idea of something being "vintage" or "classic" is a social concept, not something objectifiable with years. That's why vinyl is considered vintage and "retro" while CDs are not, despite the latter being a thing since the 80s.

>>11896494
>The PS4 came out in 2013. In 2030, are we seriously going to consider the PS4 retro?
Yes, sir.
>PS4 games won't feel "outdated" for at least another 15 years
you just moved the goalpost, old man.
>That's why vinyl is considered vintage and "retro" while CDs are not,
Vinyl = vintage
CDs = retro

Man, you are old, just accept it.

>>11896502
>Yes, sir.
Based on what, retard? Years? You really don't think there's ANY nuance as to why it took so long for the PS2 to be considered retro here? You just think it's a bunch of old fogies on the mod team who weren't willing to consider the PS2 outdated tech?
>Vinyl = vintage
>CDs = retro
Oh you're actually just legitimately retarded. Nevermind.

>>11896491
>hey some homeless guy is shitting in your yard why cant I? Make it make sense

>>11896491
Because it's about playing retro games on them, not 7th gen slop

This idiot really thinks that spamming "you're old" is some genius shit, but it's pure desperation as it's so stupid and childish. Degenerates like you deserve to be nailed to a cross.

>>11896502
>Man, you are old, just accept it.
God damn you gen z fags are highly delusional
It will happen to you too and I won't doubt your entire generation will be bawling out crying on tiktok you're not young or part of it anymore
Now you'll see how it feels

>>11896274
>posts the worst FF game to try and prove a retarded point
Embarrassing
>>11896291
Just like rpgs and strategy games failed to gain traction? Come on

>>11896381
Based burnout enjoyer

>>11896494
Of course it's a social thing, but 7th gen is socially retro as I pointed out here >>11895859
CDs are also socially retro, they're sold in retro music stores.

>>11895734 (OP)
Grunge is NOT rockabilly nor classical rock, let it go anon.

God, I love retro games!
These are my favourites: Minecraft, GTA 5, Skyrim and Demon's Souls!
I can't wait to discuss them here with you, my fellow retro enthusiasts!

>>11896550
If this doesn't look retro to you then you have brain damage

>>11895734 (OP)

when microtransactions and day 1 patches for broken games become irrelevant

>>11896552
> Looks retro
Ah yes, a hypothetical game with shitty graphics released in 2025 is a retro game now.

>>11896574
Retro by age, retro by quality. What retarded position are you going to shift the goalposts to next?

7th gen was the golden age of gaming

Why is this thread still up? We went from the most oversensitive janny on here to someone who just leaves off-topic shit up for over a week.

>>11896419
You think someone moaning constantly about being poor and too stupid to solder, whilst spending their days showing off all their expensive stuff they have bought over the years, is based? Your bar must be pretty low...

I always liked 7th gen more than 6th gen

>>11895734 (OP)
The Xbox 360 is almost 20 years old and the PS3 will be next year, both have native analog outputs too.
For me they're already retro.

If consoles released up to 2001 were retro 5 years ago then consoles released up to 2006 would be retro now. Same for games up until 2007 which would now be 2012. The rules are retarded and have no real consistency or logic.

>>11895734 (OP)
It does now. 360 is sold as collectable beside PS2

>>11895750
No. We need a seperate board for nintendo and pokemon because its about a brand for them and not gaming

just love it when some zoomer faggot goes
>"...so in a year, when the PS3 becomes retro, will you blah blah blah"
Their brains are so tiktoktarded that any pattern recognized (or even just imagined) by their gerbil brains instantly becomes a rule. They simply just created a 20-year cutoff out of thin air, and expects everyone to follow along. The weebtarded furry mods on this faggot board will probably just agree because they're of the exact same ilk, probably in their twenties as well.

>>11896381
>I consider that generation retro already. A lot of fond memories playing the games of the day.
BASED
>>11896545
>Based burnout enjoyer
This
>>11896520
>7th gen slop
Cunt
>>11896547
>7th gen is socially retro
Truth

360 PS2 and PS1 are the most widely non cult collected retro machines after that its arcade cabinets, 8 and 16 bit computers and plebbit cultists going bing

In the UK we have a thing called retro sweets. These are sweets that were made in the 80s and earlier, and funnily enough they don't add 90's or 00's sweets to this retro list. Because they were of a certain era, this applies to retro games too

>>11895734 (OP)
Hopefully soon. This board needs to stop living in the past.

>>11895981
Coombait plagues /v/ but I almost never ever see it on /vr/. Biggest problem here is ultra low effort threads making some shitty generic statement.

>>11896072
Why do you care if they discuss games that are 10 or even 5 years old? Why even be here instead of /v/? What a retard question.

>>11896147
>Erm actually!
Shut the fuck up you fake zoomer reddit millennial. Fuck off.

>>11896250
You are old

>>11896147
lots of arguments to not only keep 7th gen OUT of /vr/, but to remove 6th gen along with it.

>>11896837
best post in /vr/ in the last 12 years.

>>11896828
I'm 42

Can't wait for
>Bunch of GTA V threads
>A bunch of Mass Effect threads
>Skyrim general
>Board dominated with Soulslike threads
>Constant CoD threads
>"How do we fix the wii?" threads
>Shitty /v/ memes

>>11896089
All of the "people" replying to you are mixed race zoomer mongrels mad as fuck. One of them calls ubislop a masterpiece.

>>11896524
>it's pure desperation as it's so stupid and childish.
just like you screeching about zoomers every 2nd post because you're going through your midlife crisis and are lashing at out anyone perceived younger than yourself.

I can't tell the difference between 7th gen and whatever gen is current. It looks the same to me.
The modern formula was set in 7th gen and hasn't changed since. Normal non-retro enjoyers are still playing all those same games now (minecraft, gta 5, skyrim, souls, etc).

Maybe retro in 10 more years, but definitely not now.

>>11896147
>>11896106

It's official, /vr/ is dead. Kill OP

What is the difference between a 7th gen game and a 9th gen game? ~1/2 of the stuff released for 6th gen set the stage for all of 7th gen as well.

>Still on Minecraft
>Still on Skyrim
>Still on GTAV
>S-Seventh is retro!
Very obvious that slowing development times have necessitated slower induction into /vr/

Allowing 7th gen would allow some of the most popular contemporary games onto the board

>>11895739
>totally homogenized
Not completely. I think discussion of the DS should be allowed to an extent, the Castlevania games are brought up a lot already, it's hard to discuss the metroidvanias without mentioning the perfection that is Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia. It'd be nice to talk about those 2 instead of the constant wanking of Aria of Sorrow or people being split 50/50 between CotM.

>>11896934
Yep, Americans are disgusting

>>11896945
No.

>>11896945
Tell you what.

Wii/DS/PSP clause in 2030.
360/PS3 on indefinite hiatus though. HD box media centers can't be retro until that's not what the industry is doing anymore

>>11896746
Better posts than yours.

>>11896907
Kek this is the kind of guy crying about 7th gen being factually retro. It's ok little guy.

>>11897026
>Brown boy seething because he had to grow up with COD and Ass Creed instead of anything good
Please, espouse to me the merit of the fucking Army of Two series, perhaps Haze?

Ahahahahahaha

>>11895734 (OP)
Been said here already but just my 5 cents.
All the retards saying "it's been 20 years" don't get one thing. Yeah, it's been 20 years since X360 released. Except compare the evolution from 1985 to 2005, and from 2005 to 2025. We went from SMB1 to (almost) Oblivion. Nothing will ever compare to this.
What makes something "retro" or "nostalgic" is that it's from a bygone era. It means that things have drastically changed over the course of the years. Have they though?
X360 was the start of the era of
>AAA open world games
>"Cinematic experiences"
>online shooters on console
>online connectivity in general
>DLC etc.
>HD res
>unified console architectures
And all of that is still very much where the industry is.
Maybe we're playing forgotten games? We're talking GTAV, Skyrim, Minecraft, and these games are still more popular than many AAA titles. GTAV and Skyrim are also the latest entries of their franchises, ironically.
It's about change, and not much has changed. The jump from PS4 to PS5 barely introduced anything gameplay wise (except killing owning games, yay!). Half the library is remasters/ports. You could have 30 years of the same shit, it won't make it "retro".

>>11897067
Retro has never been about relative change in tech. We have retro clothing, retro furniture, retro houses, etc. and their tech is exactly the same.
The bygone era in question is a cultural one, and the late 2000s feel extremely different from the present day.

>>11896481
>comparing Mega Man to CoD
Leave

Retard the Thread

>>11897073
You literally proved why 7th gen isn't retro. Not enough changed gameplay wise, though technologically it has.
>Culturally late 2000s are different
Ok zoom zoom. Early capeshit, Taylor Swift and Beyonce are sooo different from late capeshit, Taylor Swift and Beyonce… Fr fr on god

>>11895734 (OP)
>>>/v/

>>11897097
As pointed out earlier in the thread, gameplay stopped evolving for multiple genres well before 7th gen.
If you want to talk about music for some asinine reason then the alternative rock / nu metal that defined the 2000s has been replaced with the likes of trap and phonk.

>>11897045
Calm down little buddy. Being racist just makes you look stupid.

>>11897073
It absolutely has, you can't call GTAV retro when it's still the main fucking GTA game. Same with Skyrim. Same with Minecraft.

>>11897067
What makes something "retro" or "nostalgic" is that it's from a bygone era.
Weak argument. There are already people nostalgic for the original FNAF game.
> It means that things have drastically changed over the course of the years.
> list of nitpicks
Well we still play with controllers in our hands and not our asses, Zelda and Pokemon are still alive so by your logic not much had changed since aforementioned SMB1!

Millions of people still play GTA V, League of Legends, Minecraft. The entire point of this board is to talk about shit that wouldn't have space on /v/,allowing this shit here would just turn it into /v/2.0. DS/PSP are the furthest you should go, with Wii/3DS/Vita coming in later. Everything else can just be discussed with the 11 year olds on /v/ or /vg/, you don't need this board

>>11897131
>Millions of people still play GTA V, League of Legends, Minecraft.
millions og peope still play doom and pacman what's your point?

>>11897131
>Wii
now come on get real even in its heyday that was a pos

>>11897145
Pac-Man and Doom aren't in the Top 5 most played games on PS5, for one. That era hasn't ended, PS3/PS4/PS5 are all the same gen pretty much. Atleast wait when every game becomes an horrid barely playable AI abomination to allow that gen here.

>>11897147
>Pac-Man and Doom aren't in the Top 5 most played games on PS5, for one
A-a-and?

the push for this is 100% coming from millenial zoituber video essay addicted tendies who want to flood the board with even more mario and ds slop discussion, fuck off you already have /v/

>>11897112
>For multiple genres
Far from all of them, you must be a retard if you think PS1 to PS2 wasn't a huge jump.
>For some asinine reason
You brought up "culture" for some asinine reason
>>11897129
>People nostalgic for FNAF
Those "people" aren't people, I don't care what some zoomer nostalgic for Fortnite v1.0 thinks
>Pokemon/ Zelda
Changed enough through years, if you paid attention you'd know. People are nostalgic for gen 1/2 because quite literally Pokemon has never been the same after that

Give it a couple years. People screeched about arbitrary definitions of retro and ps2 never ever filling them in every other thread too right until the rule change.

>>11897213
Gens are lasting longer, games are taking upwards of a decade between sequels.

Give it time yeah, but like 10-15 more years time. It took Gen 6 more time than gen 5, gen 4 was retro by the start of gen 6 but gen 6 didn't get considered retro until a few years ago

>>11897262
>gen 6 didn't get considered retro until a few years ago
5 years ago on this board. 10-15 years ago in reality.

>>11897213
we didnt have a choice, tranny mods just decided for us. you make it sound like it was democratic.

>>11897124
That's retarded. By your logic every game that doesn't have a sequel after can't be retro.

>check out my car I can totally join the retro car enthusiast club now!
>why yes it's from 2010 and it's not any different than cars that come out today in all the ways that matter but come on its 15 years old it's totally retro now!

>>11897026
The reality is it's millennials hitting their mid-life crisis. Nobody wants to admit that they've crossed the threshold into "old" territory, and that they're now out of touch. They seem to figure on some level that if they can deny that 7th gen started nearly 20 years ago, they can freeze time and remain 20-somethings. If 7th gen remains "not retro" then things will remain as they were. Unfortunately, time marches on.

>>11897271
If a car model released in 2001 was retro in 2020 then it's only logically consistent that a 2006 was retro in 2025. NES was already considered retro by 2000 despite only being 15 years old. It's not like cars at all.

>>11897285
Retro isn't age. Retro implies a different style, a different way of doing things than the current norm.
Otherwise this board would be called "old games", in which case you'd have an argument, but it's not, it's called Retro Games.

>>11896524
>Degenerates like you deserve to be nailed to a cross.
Jew spotted

>>11897274
>Now they are out of touch
>Now
I haven't been in touch with modern gaming for a long time. It has already shown it doesn't want me with various stapled DLCs, micro transactions, the full game not being on the disc, gacha games, and so on. It doesn't take a lot to know that the sort of games you like are from a bygone era and are rarely catered to.

>>11896469
Well done, anon.

>>11897290
No it specifically refers to age which is why we use dates to define it. There can be changes of style that happen within the same time period and that doesn't make the previous style retro. You are retarded

>>11896887
don't forget minecraft generals

>>11897296
That's good of you to admit, hopefully you aren't one of the ones claiming that gaming hasn't changed at all since 7th gen, since the only people doing that have not actually bothered to keep up to date with video games.

Tranny mods where are you, took you fags a day to ban me and delete the zoomer rapefugee thread the last time I insulted you

*BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP*
Eat shit and die OP

To me retro games are 4th gen and older. But im ok with 7th gen to me it's the same as 6th gen

>>11897317
I don't care if gaming has or hasn't changed from 7th gen. It doesn't belong here. I'm partly here to not be part of that generation and further beyond. If you like it, then go to the boards and sites that discuss 7th and beyond. You mix here like oil and water.

>>11897076
Megaman
Megaman 2
Megaman 3
Megaman 4
Megaman 5
Megaman 6
Megaman Soccer
Megaman 7
Megaman Power Battle
Megaman The Power Fighters
Megaman X
Megaman Xtreme
Megaman X2
Megaman Xtreme 2
Megaman X3
Megaman X4
Megaman X5
Megaman X7
Megaman X Command Mission
Megaman X8
Megaman Zero
Megaman Zero 2
Megaman Zero 3
Megaman Zero 4
Mega Man Battle Chip Challenge
Mega Man Battle Network
Mega Man Battle Network 2
Mega Man Battle Network 3: Blue Version
Mega Man Battle Network 3: White Version
Mega Man Battle Network 4: Blue Moon
Mega Man Battle Network 4: Red Sun
Mega Man Battle Network 4.5: Real Operation
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Colone
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Protoman
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Protoman
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar
Mega Man Network Transmission
Rockman.EXE: N1 Battle
Rockman.EXE WS

You can't compare it because what Capcom did to MegaMan is way more horrible than what Activision is doing with CoD. And I'm missing shit like Willy Wars.

>>11897350
41 and is not counting 7th gen (ZX, both remakes on PSP, 9, 10...) and newer. CoD has 23 games (including Warzone and Mobile). Boomers on suicide watch.

>>11897361
>>11897350
Go on /v and talk about COD if you love it so much. Why are you here?

>>11897264
5 years ago on this board.

So the 4th gen was retro by the 6th Gen. But the 6th Gen was only retro by 2020, start of the 9th Gen. Based on the exponential slowdown of game productions, Id honestly say it's not justifiable for another 10 years

>>11897403
Right. on this board. outside of this board 6th gen was considered retro since around 2015. I agree that it's slowing down so it now seems justifiable after 10 years to consider 7th gen.

>>11896235
I'm a big fan of this.. Vag concept. I'm on board. Get me in the vag! I want to be in the vag, not here!

Both consoles can be connected to a CRT without any adapters/transcoders, so they are retro.

>>11897393
>Why are you here?
Because is retro.

>>11897419
I have my ps5 connected directly to my CRT right now. It has HDMI and the ps5 still supports 1080i. ps5 retro confirmed

>>11897430
That's it, close down /vr/. No difference between here and /v/. /v/ is the true retro board all along.

CoD?

never because i said so

>>11897410
After 10 more years*

>>11897164
>Changed enough through years
Just like GTA and TES that you used as an argument earlier retard

>>11897331
Time has passed, anon. Those other boards are naturally talking about the latest games, not games from nearly 20 years ago. It's the exact same dilemma that led to the creation of this board years ago, except now it's targeting a gen you don't like/care about.

Such low effort bait. I hope everyone here gets killed

Boomers malding

7th gen is inseparable from /v/ culture, it'll never fit in on a board made to get away from /v/

>>11897505
/v/ was created during 6th gen to discuss primarily 6th gen games

/vag/ - old shit like 5th gen and older
/vr/ - zoomer shit like 6th gen and newer
If you don't agree you are a fucking zoomzoom or a dumb boomer

>>11897527
its funny because its so obvious the only people opposed to this are the ones who intentionally want to shit up the board with cod and dark souls. NO YOU CANT GET AWAY FROM IT YOU MUST LET ME FILL YOUR BOARD WITH THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE CANT HAVE THESE TWO SEPARATE BOARDS BECAUSE UHHHHHH WE JUST CANT

>>11897527
>>11897532
Nice samefagging you got there
N O T

>>11897532
Site admin is realistically not splitting this slow board into two even slower boards just because those games trigger you personally.

>>11897545
was hoping you would out yourself as a retard just so i could win this easily. Remember everyone, these are the "you must read my dark souls threads on the retro board" trannies. They aren't sending their best.

No need for a split. The fact it's that you aren't welcomed here and this garbage thread is proof of that.

>>11897556
youre right, epoch tranny trash isnt welcome amongst the aryan tvrtle bvlls

>>11897527
Alternatively:
/vr/ - old shit like 5th gen and older
/v2k/ - zoomer shit like 6th gen and newer

>>11897562
>old shit like
We're in gen 10 anon, gen 6 is definitely old, gen 7 is debatably already old. You can't stop time.

>>11897562
Anon... 5th gen and older are not retro but ancient... 6th and 7th are retro.

Every gen except for the current one is retro. Don't listen to /vr/ old farts - these guys unironically play "beep boop blue square shoots red square" shit from Atari and think that it's better than everything since 1990s.

>Every gen except for the current one is retro

>>11895734 (OP)
No, and the 6th gen isn't either. We need /v2k/ for the 6th/7th gen.

So when will Jackson Pollock paintings be considered enlightenment era artwork? Will my boy Jack finally be retro in 10 or 15 years? Joseph Wright of Derby and Thomas Gainsborough fags need to accept that they're getting old.

Why are you zoomies so fucking mad

>>11897517
s-shut up!

Videogames - autism
How many genres and eras Music has? how many boards Music needs? Same with literature.

/vr/ boomer faggots are old and autistic.

360 is too kino for /vr/ old farts, we need our own board and let this one rot. Give us 6th gen and fuck off.

>>11897691
Retards like you don't deserve a board, only a brutal death.

>>11897687
Yeah, just close down all the other video game boards and consolidate them into /v/.

>>11897693
>t. son of a thousand rodents

Explain to me why this console isn't retro.

>>11897709
It just isn't ok. It doesn't matter that it looks like retro and plays like retro. Only games that were old when I was a kid are actually retro.

>>11897709
Every Nintendo game that came after it plays the exact same as the Nintendo games on this console. Though this is also true of the GC.

>>11897719
The Wii is is a 20yo console.

>>11897653
Your vojak collection is not an argument.

>>11897723
It's only 19 years old. Are 19 year old children retro? That's what I thought.

>>11895734 (OP)
i was born in 2004 and i'm against this please don't do it, it's very retarded

>>11897729
I was born in 85 and it's a good idea. Why would NES be retro when I was 20 but not 360 now that I'm 40? 20 years was an eternity ago in video game terms. 7th gen barely even resembles the games of today. Your childhood games are now old

>>11897729
These people will never stop. They just want 'progress' for progress sake.

>>11897729
I was born in 1995 and I think it is a good idea.

>>11897709

>>11897753

>>11897761
Now show the YouTube and Amazon one.

Nuke this putrid thread with everyone inside

>>11897763
I can show you my fat cock, boomer. By the way, Xbox 360 is retro too: 20yo console with no HDMI.

Wrong picture UwU

When will the Beatles be considered Classical Music?

>>11897768
>no hdmi
This was simply a predatory move by Microsoft to force the Burgerlanders to buy the hdmi compatible models later on.
Also, this particular model is very unreliable, further evidence of how Microsoft sabotaged every early Xbox 360 owner, forcing them to buy later another console no matter what.

>>11897786
>Also, this particular model is very unreliable, further evidence of how Microsoft sabotaged every early Xbox 360 owner, forcing them to buy later another console no matter what.
Extended warranty. MS replaced mine thrice, for free.

The world and society are literally falling apart and all you fags do is whine and cry about the validation of what makes mass productive slop retro
Now you see why most boomer politicians want video games banned it's not over you playing them it's over wanting you grown ass men to stop being fucking kids over electronic toys
Get a damn grip already and realize the world don't need more petty demoralization

Fucking retards

>>11897796
Print your post out, ball it up nice and tight, and shove it up your Jewish ass

>>11897796
You're bitching about people debating on a hobbiest board.

I wonder whatever happened to this guy. We could really use him right about now.

>>11897796
>>>/pol/

>>11897738
yes the games from my childhood are old, but i don't consider them retro, i think retro is an era a time period from 2002 to what was before it

>>11897820
You are too stupid to understand, zoomzoom

>>11897820
Retro literally means shit from the recent past. You are thinking of vintage or antique.

>>11897820
>>11897848
>>11897852
ITT: illiterate mutts

>>11895734 (OP)
>When will the 7th generation count as retro gaming?
Did you miss the last four+ years and were under a rck. It already is and has been for ages along with the PS2

>>11897852
>>11897848
whatever do what you want with the board, my opinion is that there should be a sperate board for 2007 consoles

>>11897859
>whatever do what you want with the board, my opinion is that there should be a sperate board for nintendo and pokemon
FTFY

>>11897859
oh shit, what i meant a sperate board for 7th gen consoles

>>11897880
stupid nigger monkey faggot

>>11897350
>>11897361
Only 27 platformers not counting 7th gen. Counting shit like Mega Man Soccer is desperate, you might as well discount Tetris at that point. Call of Duty has long surpassed that number in less time, and they're arguably all the exact same fucking game.

There was an anon earlier that stated once technology advances to where the thing isn't being used would bee fair to call it retro. Once dvds came into existence VHS, Laserdisks, Betamax became retro

Unrelated, but I don’t understand why Sony still keeps the PS3 PSN Store and network functionality alive. The console is almost two decades old at this point, and most people have already migrated to the PS4 platform

>>11897910
>and they're arguably all the exact same fucking game
That's not true, there was a period there from Black Ops III to Infinite Warfare where they added advanced movement mechanics lifted from Titanfall. It actually changed the game drastically, but the audience resisted for years until it finally came to a head and they had to go back to WWII shooters, Modern Warfare and the Cold War. Now it is the exact same game as it was in the 360 era, with the exception of Fornite skins and the sprint dash.

>>11897917
Because people got really mad at Sony when they tried a few years ago. I'm actually kind of mad they didn't kill it, I snatched up most of those PS2 HD collections from about '15 to '19 bargain binning at Gamestop and was kind of looking forward to offloading them.

>>11896089
>All of PC gamings effort went into failing to court WoW players away from their crack
PC gaming died in the 6th gen when Microsoft forced PC devs onto the Xbox.

>>11896147
This. Modern gaming was basically born in the 6th gen and solidified in the 7th.

>>11897917
I'm kinda upset you need a two sense password thing but the website doesn't werk on ps3 :/

>>11897691
The 360 was a mix of watered down spiritual successors of PC games from the 90s and the blueprint for modern slop.

>>11896547
Except there's a disconnect between 360/PS3 and literally any console that came before, that doesn't exist when compared to today. 7th gen birthed a lot of the genres, design trends, and online functionality we take for granted today: >>11896089 And this isn't counting shit like cinematic shooters, the death of MIDI, skill trees, the death of physical media, consoles being more like PCs, controller homogeny, indie prominence...

If you really think about it, there's very little difference in the way we engaged with games in 7th gen versus how we do today. Seriously, how many 7th gen AAA games can you think of are ACTUALLY dated in anything other than polygons? Control-wise, feature-wise, we basically "solved" games as a medium that gen and there was nowhere left for it to go but VR. You can't say that when comparing 6th gen to 7th gen where there is a world of difference.

>>11897936
Pretty much this. The first half of the 360s life still had a lot of PS2 era AA devs but they were on life support at the time. This is the generation that added loot boxes to sports games, killed skateboarding and arcade racers, and gave birth to modern live service with GTA Online, Minecraft and homogenized the industry around AAA. Like others have said, the only difference between 7th gen after 2010 and now is that the full game came on disc and the graphics were worse.

>>11897709
It makes me feel old to think of it as retro and I don't like it. I didn't give the same consideration to people who similarly didn't like hearing the NES was old while I was playing the latest PS1 games, but it's different now because it's happening to me.

>>11897852
Retro is a Latin root with a broad meaning. Retards like you cherry-pick the definitions you think are right because you're too dumb to understand that words can have multiple definitions.

>>11897785
The Beatles are considered classic rock, they have been for ages.

>>11897952
"Word concept fallacy" is what that's called.

>>11897709
>>11897719
>>11897952
Samefag.

Plenty of people here consider the Wii retro. It's just a souped up Gamecube with rudimentary online. The only reason it isn't counted as retro here is because you literally can't count it without counting 360 and PS3.

>>11897894
retarded homo cocksucker

>>11897959
>>11897952
Whoops, did not mean to quote you

>>11897303
Thanks. Too bad no one else cares :(

>>11897971
Lol

>>11897971
People say gaming hasn't changed much since 7th gen without considering the full extent of how censored and controlled everything has become since then

>>11896138
Because people dissagre on the nature of the board. Is it about old video games? Or a particular period in gaming like classical hollywood?
I advocate for the latter definition, otherwise the board will become too bloated over the time and lose its identity
>b-but dictionary
Fuck off, 'okay?.

I just realized that both Tales of Xillia titles have been delisted from the PSN Store. The fact that games from that era can simply vanish from existence, because they're tied to a console maker's servers that can be shut down on a whim, shows why the 7th generation shouldn't be considered retro on /vr/.

>>11898003
NoPayStation, boomer faggot

best ps3 game

>>11897954
Retard

>>11897992
>>11898028
Boomers coping hard. Imagine dilate this hard because of time kek, enjoy dementia, I guess?

>>11897992
This. If the PS4 is eventually considered "retro" then what the fuck is even the point of this board anymore?

I don't understand why retards are perfectly willing to accept how "classic rock" will never be a thing past the 80s no matter how old rock songs get, but with gaming it's based on years. It's like that fucking scene in Star Trek Beyond where they call Beastie Boys "classical music" as a joke because normies think "classical" means old.

I am, however, perfectly willing to change the terminology to mean "classic gaming" instead of "retro gaming" or at least "vintage gaming". Maybe then we'll get less retards.

>>11897959
Meds, sir.

Jesus Christ what a fucking nightmare thread.
> Should 7th gen be retro?
One day, sure but not yet. We only just let 6th gen in, give it a little while will ya. We'd be letting in games up til what? 2014? That's not retro, that's about $5 on Steam (on sale). I just played Arkham Asylum for the first time the other night, and while I was thinking I've not played a game like this since about 2011 (stealth/cinematic action) it's still too modern to be called retro.
Fighting against my own interests here but I think 7th gen will come to /vr/ sooner rather than later and that we should prepare for it. Lots of talk about splitting the board to keep the pace slow, and while I agree with the reasoning (a slow board is a good board) I think a split is a knee-jerk reaction. I haven't seen anyone advocate a generals style board. Would accomodate the pace and everyones interests (which I think wouldn't be an awful idea for this board as it is now regardless of 7th gen), would stop low effort threads about "making the GameCube a success" or "Saving the Saturn".
I can see the divide between 6th and 7th gen, moving from SD to HD and from split-screen to online gaming, in a similar vein to moving from arcades to the home. It definitely isn't the same, but they are both examples of radical shifts in both how games were made and how people played them.
Anyway I'm not the arbiter of /vr/ do whatever you like, these are just one retards suggestions and opinions.

>>11898049
>We only just let 6th gen in, give it a little while will ya.
It's been 5 years since 6th gen was added. The same amount of time between 6th and 7th gen releasing.

>>11898039
I agree with retro referring to a specific range of years, but there needs to be a logic behind it. For the longest time this board's rule was simply "the millennium" before people realized that pre-HD is a better cutoff. I don't know why the cutoff for classic rock would specifically be the 80s. Why can't grunge or nu-metal ever qualify as classic rock?

The PS3 ain't retro cuz it got no gaymes

>>11898049
i can't wait to post on "making the xbox one a success" thread

>>11898050
>It's been 5 years since 6th gen was added

Current /vr/ should become /vag/, then we will need a 'new' /vr/
/vag/ - vintage videogames, 5th gen and older
/vr/ - retro videoogames, 6th gen an newer.
PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, NDS, PSP an the fucking iPod Touch 2nd gen are retro, but PS1, Saturn, N64, 32X, Jag... that shit is vintage.
The problem here is that:
1.- Zoomers are retards.
2.- Boomers in denial.
6th and 7th gen are retro but 5th and older are not retro anymore, is vintage.

>>11898071
>/vag/

What the younger posters don't realize is that even when the gen 7 was current, people knew that gaming had changed into something else compared to everything that came before. "Modern gaming" was never used before the 7th gen. 6th gen was never called "Modern gaming". The cutoff is real.

>>11898050
I suppose that at the time I thought that 6th gen was a bit overdue to be added (after all the DreamCast was allowed), but you bring up an interesting point here, the 6th generation was a normal generation, about 5 or so years. 7th gen was quite long. I can see argument for Oblivion being "retro", but The Last of Us? Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes? These don't fit the mould. Should we be talking about the generations from the start point or the end point? If it's unclear, I think it should be from the end point (or near enough to it, some agreed upon point where that generation ended otherwise the Sega Master System and PS2 are still this generation)

>>11898059
Kek

>>11898105
I'm pretty sure the Nintendo 64 was considered "modern" at the time.

>>11898105
It was a new hobby. People talk about "modern music", "modern pop", "modern rock" and still /mu/ is a single board. People are not talking about Assassins Creed (1) or Wii Sports as "Modern Gaming" anymore, right now they mean Fortnite or Rivals or some other Fee to Pay game

>>11898115
GTA V is 12 years old and I still consider it to be modern. It feels like time stopped after 2012

>>11898118
>It feels like time stopped after 2012
Boomer coping about getting old.

>>11898119
nta
it will happen to you
stop being in denial its unironically getting old

>>11898049
>>11898050
It's funny that essentially nobody who was posting on here back when the discussion revolved around the inclusion of 6th generation is here now and wanting 7th gen added. Almost every single one of those posters started coming here within the past 5 years.

>>11898115
That's not what "modern gaming" means though
People may refer to current systems or whatever, but modern gaming is a blanket term that was used even back then to refer to everything that makes it modern
Like I said, it was obvious to anyone that things had changed. HD, DLCs, updates and installs, Internet, digital games, realism, the casualization, tutorials everywhere, the culture itself, and a lot more. This was/is modern gaming. Gaming had become modern.

watching 28 year olds and 40 year olds argue is really funny

>>11897124
I guess you can't call Ultima Online or Runescape retro either.

>>11898118
It can at times appear like we're all stuck, that culture has not progressed, I still think that 1990 was 20 years ago in that sort of default space in your brain. Part of that is as a culture we measure things by milestones, Star Wars, Michael Jackson, Nirvana, Mario, Crash Bandicoot etc. Dev times *have soared* in recent years, it's something you hear a lot recently but if you told me that in 2012 that we wouldn't have GTA 6 or the Elder Scrolls 6 I would not have believed you. But we've had less of these big cultural milestones generally (and the ones that we have had are so caught up in the perpetual woke-anti woke cyclone that the attention is drawn elsewhere).
I'm 30, I have a kid, they're showing interest in playing games now, fortunately it's the games I have (they really like Altered Beast which is cool). But when they develop their own taste, or talk to their friends about it, it will be what the kids of today are playing, probably Roblox, Rivals, or (hopefully) an indie game like PEAK or something like that.
I guess I'm getting older, I suppose you are too, and the way culture is measured has changed somewhat since our time.