Thread 11910851

Why did Dreamcast lost the third place to Xbox?

>>11910851 (OP)
Dreamcast blew its load too quickly, be the time the Ps2, GCN and Xbox were relevant everyone forgot about it, it doesn't even feels like it belongs in the same gen.

>>11910851 (OP)
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Maybe the young men of the board don't understand this but the Dreamcast didn't even last long enough to "lose" to the Xbox. It lost to the PS1, it barely even lasted long enough to fight the PS2. It was just an extremely mismanaged console.

>>11910851 (OP)
Halo.

>>11910851 (OP)
No Madden.

>>11910851 (OP)
The Xbox basically shaped all of modern gaming.

>>11911137
bonjur

>>11911065
>It was just an extremely mismanaged console.
No, that was the Saturn. Mismanaged to the extreme.
Dreamcast was competently managed (as a finished product; the design process less so), they just had no more money.

>>11910851 (OP)
Xbox actually sold more consoles than GameCube my ESL, android posting, favela dwelling, third world, brown friend.

>>11910851 (OP)
You mean to the GameCube?

Anyway, this: >>11910975

>>11910851 (OP)
>Why did Dreamcast lost the third place to Xbox?
Why is every one of these retarded threads written by some ESL fuck?
Why the fuck is India not rangebanned?

>>11910851 (OP)
Final fantasy and soul calibre now on xbos

They stopped producing Dreamcasts before a single Xbox was sold

>>11912429
And reimported teh last unsold back to jp to match said sales

>>11910851 (OP)
the timeline where SEGA takes the place of xbox would be so much better than this one. Xbox had nothing (except halo, dead or alive beach volleyball, and dreamcast refugees)

Dreamcast:
Discontinued March 31, 2001

Xbox:
Launched November 15, 2001

It had already left the race 8 months before the Xbox had even launched.

>>11910851 (OP)
The 'X' makes it sound cool.

>>11910851 (OP)
There was piracy issues that forced Sega to pull the plug on Dreamcast very early on, despite showing success. Third Party developers were dropping like flies and this was before the release of the PS2. It couldn't stay in the hardware business for long, so Sega bowed out. Piracy murdered the Dreamcast in cold blood. Dreamcast was dead by March of 2001, months before Xbox and Gamecube's release in November of that same year. Had the Dreamcast stayed, it might have caused a dent against the Xbox and Gamecube, but I doubt it with the piracy issues and the loss of third party support.

>>11910851 (OP)
Dreamcast > GC > Xbox.
Nothing of value would be lost if GC and Xbox didn't exist tho.
Seaman is a gem, so does the Dreamcast.

>>11911369
This doesn't mean too much even if technically true. I think the official number is 24 million for Xbox and 21 million for Gamecube. Both of course paling in comparison to PS2.

PS3 actually sold just a bit more than the Xbox 360 yet most people seem to think it was the 360 that outsold PS3 that gen. Again its maybe a 3 million difference at most though.

>>11913561
I have seen different numbers reported by different places on which one sold more, they seem close enough to have more or less sold the same within margin of error.

>>11913561
>24 million for Xbox
No way. Xbox has no games.

>>11913648
Xbox was carried entirely by Halo and Halo 2, and if you had an Xbox already then you had no reason not to buy the Xbox versions of multiplatform games as they were objectively the most technological superior to their PS2 and Gamecube ports.

>>11913475
It would have been pretty easy to harden new games against piracy once the problem was known. Burning onto a CD required removing a 1/4 of the games data. Just code the came such that it shits the bed when you do that.

>>11913718
The problem was the Dreamcast was designed around a proprietary media format called a GD-ROM, yet it was easy to burn games onto normal CDs.

>>11913723
This. Piracy killed the dreamcast.

>>11910851 (OP)
Came out too early, didn't have any games of note, the failure of the Saturn had already made the general gaming public of the time write Sega off as a has been company.

>>11913723
Yeah I know. But the GD rom could store more data. The only reason it was possible to thin down games to fit on cd is because the game devs did not harden the game against that. Were it known, various strategies could have been employed to make doing so very difficult.

First of all, one would ditch the standard file system. Have the game use a custom file system, or encode raw lba offsets. As for audio/video files, you would make it such that they could not be downsampled. Use custom container formats and hard code bitrates in code such that downsampled files would be rejected. Waste a much space as possible. If two different levels reference the same file store multiple copies. Also make sure to make superficial changes to those files to throw off efforts to deduplicate data.

>>11913648
I think people don't rate the OG Xbox as highly as it used to be in the early/mid 2000s. It was seen as 2nd to the PS2, with the latter having the bigger library. A powerful dudebro console that even mature PC games could like.
Its early games consisted of Halo, DoA3, Morrowind, Splinter Cell, KOTOR, PGR, JSRF plus multiplats like pic related.

Tons of the games got ported or are forgotten quite a bit, nowadays. I think people put GC behind the PS2 now.

>>11913704
DoA3 was originally meant as a killer-app before Halo became a hit.

6th gen console war thread! Thank god, we don't get enough of those on neo /vr/

>>11910857
yeah I like the dreamcast but it feels more like an advanced Nintendo 64
same type of game pad and everything

>>11913762
>DoA3 was originally meant as a killer-app

Yeah, it wouldn't have been able to pull that off.

ESL should be auto range ban on here

>>11910851 (OP)
>The bot is also an ESL

>>11913704
Resident Evil 4 shits on every Xbox game in terms of graphics and presentation

>>11914234
It would have been better on Xbox.

>>11910851 (OP)
Why are gamecuberts pretending they were second place? They were 4th.

>>11913648
>>11914234
You can watch the goalposts move in real time.

Nintendophiles are pathetic.

>>11914257
nah

Half-Life 2 is similar to RE4, but it looks and performs poorly on the Xbox.
The Xbox's generic 2001 PC hardware nature is the problem. It can't do miracles like the PS2 and GC hardware can, which were designed exclusively for graphics and games.

>>11914292
You can out miracle the shit format of mini discs

>>11914292
RE4 looks like an average Xbox game like Brute Force or Sentinel Crisis. We all know how GC handled Xbox games with the "ports" of Wreckless. The Cube version managed to be worse than the PS2 port...

>>11913561
I've never seen figures that indicate the PS3 sold more but I can say for sure that if it did it would have been the later, cheaper revisions giving a bump in sales in the poorer countries around the world. The 360 absolutely dominated in America, almost everyone had one especially when the S or whatever the revision of that was called.
Regardless the Wii probably sold more than both the 360 and PS3 combined.

>>11914301
>Wreckless
I've never heard of this game.
A quick google search shows a Digital Foundry video claiming this game pushed the Xbox to its limits?!
Lmfao, this game looks like shit. A good example of "aged like milk"
Meanwhile, RE4 on GC aged like wine. And this is a common consensus.

Take your putrid bloom, blurred visuals, sun glare and motion blur and shove it in your ass, Xbox fanboy.

>>11914338
>I've never heard of this game.
There's a lot of games you've never heard of. Watch out Xbox, Gamecube is coming to eat your lunch with its powerful imac hardware that can't even do shading!

>>11914301
god this look so much better than anything in the shitcube
>>11914338
re4 on the shitcube is the worst version of it, mentally ill cubie

>>11910851 (OP)
Maybe it has to do with the fact that they dropped out of the race before the Xbox even came out.

>>11914301
It's 2025, and grown up men still believe that port quality has everything to do with hardware specs and not with the developers being hacks or rushed for the sake of perpetuating the childish console war from 25 years ago.

>>11911065
The Dreamcast was managed very well. It's the Saturn that poisoned the Dreamcast's foundation. SEGA didn't have the money to do a whole console generation so the Dreamcast was doomed to fail before conception. Then the Saturn just vanishing and letting up to the PS1 so people held out for the PS2 is another aspect.

>>11914234
Not really. RE4's graphics looks very ugly compared to many of the Xbox games I've seen. The brown and grey aesthetic doesn't appeal to everybody. Games like Shenmue 2 and Project Gotham Racing makes RE4 look like a very late PS1 game.

The Dreamcast pretty much fully came and went before the Xbox even came out. It was awesome nonetheless.

You see, the thing is that we should really just rangeban India, Pakistan, South America, Africa, and Israel.