Thread 11930514

Post your personal truth nukes
>interlaced scan on PS2 was cancer and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>Tekken 4 was peak atmosphere despite being completely broken
>there's no "definitive" Castlevania on SNES/Genesis, they're all flawed in different ways
>Mother 1 > 2 > 3
>Metroid Zero Mission is shit, Fusion is overhated
>Aria / Dawn of Sorrow are on par with if not better than SotN

>>11930514 (OP)
The saturn deserved to fail

>>11930523
I don't think Sega deserved to fail, but Saturn hardware did
>let's create a 5th gen system only for 2D because… because we can't make 3D games lol
>oops, everyone is doing 3D
>let's just add a second CPU lol
30 years later people still writing theories on how they would have saved this dumpster fire

>>11930514 (OP)
Life would be so much better as an animal like this. Imagine being a bird and being able to fly wherever you want. Birds really live better lives than humans. They have food everywhere, they can fuck whenever they want, they can sleep wherever they want, they have no retarded rules to follow, don't have to worry about paying bills and maintaining a persona, plus they can fly. They really live better lives than humans.

>>11930549
You can only think so because humans have been at the top of the food chain for so long that we have gone beyond the food chain itself.
A bird isn't free, It has a milion predators and dangers all around

Nintendo actually *are* the best company in video games.

>>11930540
>let's create a 5th gen system only for 2D because… because we can't make 3D games lol
This was such a dumb way of thinking because they made Virtua Fighter around that time too

>>11930554
>A bird isn't free, It has a milion predators and dangers all around
Depends on where the bird lives. I also have a million predators around me and humans are so stupid they even support their predators.

>>11930514 (OP)
>Tekken 4 was peak atmosphere despite being completely broken
A fighting game can be beloved and played for decades even if broken. Marvel 2, Third Strike, some of FGC biggest names are unbalanced messes. The problem with Tekken 4 Is that as soon as you touch the game you immediately realize "this isn't Tekken"
The characters move like they shat themselves, attacks don't do what they were designed to do in the there prior games, hits and juggles feel floaty

>>11930572
Anon there's big difference between jews and niggers changing the demographic landscape of yours town and and actual fucking creature eating you and your children

wind waker is the best zelda game and it's not even close

>>11930584
The thread was full of truthnukes until this faggot showed up

>>11930582
Humans kill you in more subtl ways. They bully you, they throw you out of your home, they flood your demographic with shitskins and force your children to get raped by niggers, they use psychological warfare to make you depressed and not even be able to make children, they make you depressed so that you become a drug addict and slowly die in loneliness. They take away your chance to get a place to sleep so you become homeless, they take away your chance to find a job, etc. And they also kill you physically.

>>11930603
Nigga stop your bitching, if you were a bird you would be living a shitty life eating worms and being out in the cold.

>hurr hurr I was a loser
Okay? Who cares? Talk about retro games

>>11930584
Dude, I like wind waker too, but come on. It's not even as good as ocarina

>>11930608
>you would be living a shitty life eating worms and being out in the cold.
For a bird a worm is delicious. And they also don't feel cold liek humans. Their bodies are obviously used to it. They just live their lives like humans do, but without all the retarded bullshit in the human world.

>>11930561
>Nintendo actually *are* the best company in video games.
Well.. not many long lived game series/studios even survive.. and franchises like Zelda are more popular than ever today

>>11930603
>>11930621

>>11930540
>>11930570
Saturn development started in 1991 when nobody was doing 3d games, and was finalized by 1993. Virtua Fighter was made by 1 studio inside Sega as an experiment on military grade hardware. Their dozen other studios all wanted a better 2D console. They made the Saturn 2D because 95 out of 100 of their devs wanted that.
And the console was made strong enough to be able to run Virtua Racing and Virtua Fighter anyway, as well as all the 3d games on PC at the time.

It's just that the Playstation was a lot better at 3d.
But even that wasn't what killed the Saturn, it was their completely retarded launch, and the console costing so much money to make that it gave them losses in the hundred millions.

>>11930584
>Fewest Dungeons
>Triforce Chart Padding
>Boring ass world traversal
Look just because it's visually stunning doesn't change the fact it's on the weaker end of the spectrum

>>11930514 (OP)
Fail states are what make games GAMES.
Victory is the reward, and it's okay for it to be withheld it from you until you overcome the challenge.

Not every game has to be made for everyone, and not everyone has to enjoy every game.

Say that shit to my face and we'll see how tough you are after I don't do shit. I fucking dare you, pussy.

>>11930681
You're right but another truth bomb is that games with unfair challenges and broken gameplay elements that make victory near impossible are shit.

>>11930648
Yeah, when you add up the sheer variety of games they put out, and you account for the fact that they have been putting out good games since the 80's, with no real slumps in quality, they are just the best company in video games.
It can barely even be argued.

The Donkey Kong Country series is eurojank that I don't know how it sold so much.

>>11930706
>unfair challenges and broken gameplay elements
Naturally things not working as they should sucks, but I'd argue that the best challenges in games ARE unfair.
It's ultimately about balance, and I think the sweet spot is weighted slightly against the player.

>>11930514 (OP)
>>Tekken 4 was peak atmosphere despite being completely broken
Isn't that the consensus?

>>11930514 (OP)
Earthbound is a bad game. Good experience, but a bad game. It's constantly annoying you, sucks until you get Jeff, and barely distinguishes itself from NES rpgs with exception to the rolling HP bar.
The story is bonkers and worth playing it for, but when people list it as a 'masterpiece' I scoff.

Sega was a fundamentally jewish company and its fans are goyim. Aside from Crazy Taxi anon, none of you actually did shit in arcades, anyway.

>>11930678
Could be wrong, but wasn't the cost affected by the CPU?
Regardless, if it costs too much and has worse graphics where it matters, it's the definition of a shit design. Cutting costs and putting power where it matters is the whole model of console gaming as a business. Do it right, you get PS1. Do it wrong, you get Saturn and PS3.
>finalized by 1993
At least not 1992, I'll give them that. Somehow Sony and Nintendo got it right, Sega didn't (probably too desperate to dump Mega Drive in Japan). Double irony that Sony was inspired by Virtua Fighter to go with 3D. Triple irony that Namco copied a lot of Sega's arcade games on PS1 and got big off of it.

>>11930514 (OP)
480i looks nice.
PS2 versions of games are usually the best way to play mostly because of the games being built around the controller. Also at their time of release often came out months before other versions did.
Console FPS games are fun and a distinct genre from PC ones and PC gamers missed out on them.
N64's biggest problem isn't low framerates, its unstable framerates.
The 3-button genesis controller with the saturn style d-pad is better than the 6-button controller.
You should know how to do soldering and other basic electronics repair if you're into old games.
The Dreamcast feels cheap and tacky and this was its reputation at the time so when the PS2 came out and was comparatively sleek, silent, and stable the Dreamcast was immediately done. Dreamcast is still a good console but feeling cheaper than every preceding disc based console was a deathblow.
16-bit generation is a little a nothingburger. Didn't push much forward. Similar to how we see 8th gen consoles today, more about establishing market positions.

>>11930514 (OP)
>>Metroid Zero Mission is shit, Fusion is overhated
the truthest of nukes.

>>11930717
True

>>11930717
I wouldn't say it's totally unacceptable, but yeah it was shit and retarded. People like how it looks because games were built around it.
>>11930732
Eh, I'd disagree. If by "unfairness" we mean "bullshit outside of player's control". Overcoming it is pleasant, yes, but losing to poorly designed challenges over and over is no fun
>>11930754
It's a popular take, but I thought the consensus was "it nearly killed Tekken, so bad game, end of story"
>>11930758
I'd argue it's a bad RPG. Mother 1 was a very solid, open DQ clone. EB is just a parody of DQ gameplay and story, that doesn't take itself too seriously. People expecting a good RPG from it tend to hate it the most

>>11930797
>People expecting a WRPG from it tend to hate it the most
ftfy

>>11930663
Pretty spot on. I was raised by a single mother. My brother managed to make something out of his life, because she just threw him out when he was 18 or something. My life was ruined because she kept paying for me but otherwise completely neglected me. never showed any sign of interest, only pity and making fun of you.

I also saw a pattern there with other single mothers. They usually tend to be terrible parents.

>>11930514 (OP)
>Alien Soldier should have been designed for a console with more buttons on its controller, but it'd still be an unbalanced mess regardless
>Diablo and its clones are fantasy-themed cookie clickers
>only E1 of Doom is any good
>SotN is carried hard by its presentation, everything else is weak

>>11930663
M ymother prepared me for the most important thing: Humans are cancer especially women. Life is not worth it. It's just senseless suffering. That's what she taught me. And it's the truth.

>>11930830
SAAR YES MY DEAR MOTHER POOJA TAUGHT ME THAT EVERYONE HERE IN SEWERLAND IS SHIT SAAR THAT IS WHY I SCAM SAAR

Fuck off back to /r9k/, faggots.

>>11930808
I'm the anon he was replying to. I expected it to be an Snes rpg, and I got an NES rpg. To further clarify on some annoyances which are intentional:
Limited inventory space and an obnoxious item storage system.
Fuzzy Pickles too often.
All characters start at level 1.
First level teleport.
Status effects like home sick when you have one person in the party.

Defcon 1 Truth ICBM: Just calling your still subjective opinion a truth nuke doesn't actually make it true, just like how having a character point to a whiteboard or sign with your opinion doesn't make it true

>>11930876
>A BLOO BLOO WHY DOES MY BACKPACK HOLD LIMITED NUMBERS OF ITEMS?
>I'M TRYING TO ROLEPLAY, HERE

>>11930678
>>11930767
Was the Saturn better than the PS1 at anything without the RAM cart? The only thing I can think of is perspective-correct infinite planes with VDP2

>>11930570
Hideki Sato (lead engineer behind the Saturn) said it's because only AM2 knew how to do 3D at the time

>>11930776
>>11930514 (OP)
I don't know about zero mission being shit but fusion definitely is a great game and if you disagree, well you're fucking wrong.

>>interlaced scan on PS2 was cancer and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
My truthnuke is that this is only a issue if you play on a modern TV, and if you play retro games on an flat panel TV you're retarded beyond saving

>>11930514 (OP)
>>interlaced scan on PS2 was cancer and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
My truthnuke is that this is only a issue if you play on a modern TV, and if you play retro games on a flat panel TV you're retarded beyond saving

>>11931060
>>11931074
What was the point of this?

NVKES:
>besides jrpgs, n64 was better than ps1.
>ps2 has aged like shit, cube and even xbox are more fun to go back to now
>dkc2 is highly inferior to 1
>the genesis has maybe 10% as many classic games as the SNES if were being generous
>NES was better than SNES
>I will die alone and miserable having never found happiness in my pointless failure of a wasted life

>>11931027
not op. but for me, zero mission sucks because it's simply too fast.
samus physics are all wrong compared to every other metroid game, her jump is shorter and falls like a sack of potatoes.
there is a romhack that tried to remedy the physics and feels better, but at the end it's still fast in other aspects.
https://romhackplaza.org/romhacks/gravity-change-game-boy-advance/

>>11931164
>find happiness
as long as I'm not in pain I am happy
>t. wonderer about wtf is your problem

>>11930540
It can't even do 2D well, lacking basic features such as transparency

The only fun RPG mario game.

>>11930540
The Saturn has a 3D accelerator. wtf are you talking about?

>>11931164
>the genesis has maybe 10% as many classic games as the SNES if were being generous
This is just ignorance, not a legitimate opinion.

Slow platformers are better than fast ones

>>11930837
fucking kek

>>11930797
>"bullshit outside of player's control"
If you're always in control, there's no challenge to overcome.

>>11930514 (OP)
>interlaced scan on PS2 was cancer and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
Why specifically PS2?

>>11932051
NTA but probably because 90% of the library is 480i only and even emulation is often deinterlaced. 480p support was much more common on xbox and gamecube.

>>11930584
>wind waker is the best zelda game and it's not even close
to truth

>>11930717
>PSX texture wobble

No such thing. You're mixing up two different things, the lack of perspective correction for textures, and polygon wobble.

3d zelda was a mistake

>>11930514 (OP)
true successor to the NES was the genesis
nintendo was riding first party games past the SNES and that's about it, not that they aren't good games, they are, but libraries feel lackluster.
handhelds kinda suck, I could be convinced otherwise but I just don't care.
composite for 3d, scart for 2d is the only way to go.
SNES is a perfect counterpart to pair with the Genesis
4th gen was the best generation, followed by 5th gen in terms of quality across consoles and stand out independent titles for each.
JRPGs are a snorefest unless they are goofy story wise, like aretha.

>>11930514 (OP)
SD tv can only show interlaced images. Rending progressive just throws away 50% of your fill rate into the void. Also, many PS2 games did not even render interlaced because some fuck heads complained about jaggies, so devs were forced to render progressive internally, and then do some shitty blur filter.

95% of fighting game discourse on /vr/ is poisoned by casuals who don't know dick about shit because they don't play the games yet they pretend their ignorant opinions matter

>>11931164
Highly subjective takes.
—N64 vs PS1 is a deadbeat horse, either you're content with 3-5 classics and little else or not
—DKC1 purists exists, but being a more "pure" platformer doesn't make it a better game
—agree on Genesis, not 10% but it's not equal at all
—NES vs SNES is just apples to oranges, it's pointless to compare huge libraries of different generations

>>11932165
>N64 vs PS1 is a deadbeat horse
good morning saar please do the needful

>>11930681
>fail states
you're being too specific with a term like that. you can make a game where there isn't a hard state change. puzzles are obvious.

>>11930514 (OP)
Ocarina isn’t even a top 5 Zelda

>>11932184
What's your problem

>>11931164
>n64 was better than PSX outside of jrpgs
This is objectively wrong unless you’re the sort who only plays Mario games. I’m not sonypony, but that take is the dumbest take in the history of takes.

>>11932134
I like these
>true successor to the NES was the genesis
Yes, I first heard this take from a (Lord, forgive me) Youtuber a couple years back and it instantly made sense.
>nintendo was riding first party games past the SNES and that's about it, not that they aren't good games, they are, but libraries feel lackluster.
Also agree, and it's one of the reasons Tendies drive me nuts (note: I'm a Tendie). While you can go pretty far on their first party stuff, man cannot live on Mario alone!
>handhelds kinda suck, I could be convinced otherwise but I just don't care.
The games themselves can be good but ever since I became an adult, handheld games have really lose their appeal.
>composite for 3d, scart for 2d is the only way to go.
Sure
>SNES is a perfect counterpart to pair with the Genesis
Yes. Both systems were close enough that you could do similar ports of games but different enough that their overall libraries feel distinct and play to each system's strengths.
>4th gen was the best generation, followed by 5th gen in terms of quality across consoles and stand out independent titles for each.
I prefer 3rd to 5th, but agree on 4th is the best. I love the sheer number of systems and experimentation going on in this era.
>JRPGs are a snorefest unless they are goofy story wise, like aretha.
Disagree here but I think the west was spoiled during the 8 and 16-bit era in that we only seemed to get the very best RPGs. There's lots of average to below average stuff that never left Japan.

>>11931281
Shit, somebody should have told them

>>11932302
what's up with the spotlight?

>>11932302
>>11932487
As far as I understand, Saturn can do transparency on one layer, but not another layer
There was this thread recently about the Casper game on Saturn, where the ghost was transparent, but his shadow was pixelated.

>>11932194
It is number 1 faggot

>>11933168
lol. No.

>>11932487
They chose not to give it transparency and to use a mesh instead. It's not a lack of ability to do transparencies, they simply often chose not to.

>>11933174
Which is your favorite? Let me guess WW

>>11931215
Do you find it a bit sad the only Nintendo game that features a more steady Samus gameplay is fucking Smash, the game with the retarded pedo fanbase?

>>11930514 (OP)
Is this AI?

>>11930514 (OP)
Bilinear filtering on N64 is fine and the texture warping/wobble on PS1 is way worse.

>>11933841
>they simply often chose not to
The spotlight is transparent in the PS1 version

DOOM and Warcraft were the worst things to happen to PC gaming.

>>11932487
>>11932536
I'll copy-paste my post from a previous thread:
>VDP1 draws sprites/polygons
>VDP2 draws background layers and incorporates stuff drawn by VDP1 with them (and different pixels drawn by VDP1 can have different priorities which is how you can have a character walking behind a waterfall but the HUD stays over it)

>VDP1 can do transparency between VDP1 objects (sprites/polygons), but it takes 6 times longer to draw transparent pixels and you can't also have transparency with VDP2 layers (see right example: You can see the enemy through the light but not the background which is drawn by VDP2)

>VDP2 can do transparency between everything it handles for free, including the VDP1 objects it receives, but there is one big problem: Although as previously mentioned, different pixels can be flagged with different priorities, VDP2 receives everything drawn by VDP1 as a single layer, so if a sprite is in front of another, the pixels of the sprite behind literally do not exist (see example to the left: You can see the background drawn by VDP2 through the light, but not the enemy)

TL;DR the spotlights are VDP1 objects and some of them appear in front of the player character and enemies. If you'd make them transparent with VDP1, you'd only see sprites through them and not the background, and if you'd make them transparent with VDP2, since it receives everything drawn by VDP1 as a single layer, you wouldn't have transparency between sprites, so the spotlight would "eat" the other sprites
You could make those in the background truly transparent with VDP2 but I'm guessing they wanted all of them to have a consistent look

>>11936014
DOOM spawned a bunch of cool games, Warcraft ended up destroying itself and its parent company but didn't really do much to PC gaming in general. I would say StarCraft carries more blame since it completely changed the way RTS games were developed which alienated casual fans and ultimately killed the genre since hardcore fans are turboautists who only want to sweat in the same 1 to 3 RTS games for the rest of time, but that was more the fault of gooks who decided to turn it into a serious national sport

>>11936009
The tunnel is transparent on Saturn
They clearly deliberately chose not to make the spotlight translucent on the Saturn

>>11936136
Read >>11936040

>>11931356
Truthnuke

>>11932487
>(((Saturn)))
Just Segoy things.

>>11936001
>Bilinear filtering on N64
trilinear*

>>11937819
Do you even know what goy means?

>>11937893
Do you even know who created Sega?

>>11937897
What do you think goy means?

>>11937905
Who do you think created Sega?

If i took your calling it "Segoy" at face value, i'd assume non-Jews?

>>11937919
>least cowardly jew

>>11930561
>>11930721
There are definitely a lot of people on this board who act needlessly buthurt about how right this is.

A fantastic demonstration of this is the thread the other day on /v/ which was about which turn based vidya were actually closest in gameplay to Chess. The Chessfags basically agreed that the best tactical games were more or less all exclusive to Nintendo systems, with Intelligent Systems games like Advance Wars and Fire Emblem being the peak.

It's really interesting, because we have whole boards like /vrpg/ and /vst/ dedicated to these kinds of games, but for the most part the games people discuss there are full of mechanics and conventions that make them far less 'tactically pure' than Nintendo's tactics games, which have incredible emphasis on tight board positioning over 'realism', and because of this offer some of the most hardcore high IQ gameplay you will find.

I had to give that as a concrete example, because there are so many people swearing up and down that Nintendo is something people ought to 'move on from", with the idea that they should 'mature' and play PC mil-sims or whatever the person thinks of as a game for adults. But I absolutely find that the apex of any given genre will have a Nintendo game (or multiple) at or near the top as an example of the most refined, tightly designed and/or creative things it offers. The kinds of people who go out of their way to seethe at Nintendo are so often clearly delusional and genuinely don't seem to get how much sophistication goes into the kinds of games that have serious depth and polish, but don't need to vomit multi-hundred page manuals at your face to be playable.

>>11938243
Nintendo is good at monopolizing genres, but they don't have JRPGs. Formerly Square and now Atlus have them beat.
>Pokemon
Literal tranny programming.

>>11938243
>hardcore high IQ gameplay
>Advance Wars and Fire Emblem

>>11938252
Ok Shining Force anon.

>>11930514 (OP)
Cool dog

>>11938246
>>Pokemon
>Literal tranny programming.
Lol, so no actual argument? Pokemon has the most solid gameplay of the genre. Bother in terms of the core combat system and in terms of exploring the games and collecting meaningful shit.

>>11938369
>nigger rap.webm
>literal trannies.jpg
>fairy type
Kill yourself. Take the gun and point it into your brain.

>>11938243
>It's really interesting, because we have whole boards like /vrpg/ and /vst/ dedicated to these kinds of games, but for the most part the games people discuss there are full of mechanics and conventions that make them far less 'tactically pure' than Nintendo's tactics games,
What's interesting about that?

>>11930514 (OP)
Ratchet and Clank is a better 3D platformer than SM64.

>>11930584
Here’s a real trvthnvke
>Zelda 1, LA, Ocarina, Majora, and Breath of the Wild are the only worthwhile Zeldas
>3D Zelda is way more bad than good. Most of the 2D games are fine but 3D obviously peaked in the N64 era and was treading water until Nintendo gave it the ubislop makeover

>>11938638
Kind of weird to dismiss ALTTP like that
And anyway… That's basically saying every mainline Zelda is good, except 2, ALTTP, and all the ones between Majora and BotW. Which a fairly standard opinion, again, except for ALTTP part

>>11938243
>there's an entire board of people who like strategy games but don't care much for kid's games
Yeah, that's really weird.

>>11936048
Warcraft did give us ASSFAGGOTS though, along with the sweatiest tryhards this side of counterstrike. Not to mention the parent company has been pushing esports as The Next Big Thing™ for a decade at least.

>>11936048
It's not a truth that's easy to swallow.
The people those games brought in ruined PC gaming.

>>11938868
LTTP has a really ugly early snes aesthetic that’s really off putting with really bland dungeon design and undercooked story stuff between dungeons. LA was a closer approximation to the newer Zelda formula that Ocarina ultimately perfected. To me, LTTP is an awkward transition game

>>11939707
To me, you're an awkward transition human being (zoomer).

>>11939707
>LTTP has a really ugly early snes aesthetic that’s really off putting
I wouldn't call it "off-putting" but yeah, like SMW it's a bit underwhelming visually.

>>11930730
Miyamoto has a timeless quote elucidating this very subject.

>>11939974
You mean "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good."?
That's a fake quote from a 1995 magazine that ended up spreading everywhere in the early 00s. IGN interviewed Miyamoto himself in 2010 and he clarified that it's not true:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2010/06/17/e3-2010-shigeru-miyamoto-likes-donkey-kong-country-after-all

>>11932251
didn't know a youtuber said that, it's just how i've felt about it.
and I have hate boner for JRPGs so, I'll eventually like them I keep telling myself.
only reason I chose 5th over 3rd gen is the fact that the NES just really triumphed, and the SMS was in the N64 boat, just with lower quality over all, not terrible games mind you, but compared to the third party support on the NES, it hits like a wet paper towel

>>11939994
It's just as real as Kojima inventing camera
>Miyamoto himself clarified it's not true
Literal revisionism

>>11939994
>source
>>11940039
>no source
Which one should I trust...

I'm sick of retards who use arguments like "lol video games for kids". It reeks of projection and selfishness, these people were kids at the time so they think the whole world is like them.

Teens and adults were always an important market share for video games. They were always the ones pouring the most money into the industry, pic related, all usenet users were university students and some of them were the idorts of their time with plenty of games.

Another good example is Sony understood this and this is why early on the PlayStation was NOT targetting kids, on the contrary. I wish I had the interview of the CEO of Sony US that says this but I didn't save it, maybe someone here has it.

This is my new pet peeve after the "muh rentals/strategy guides" retards

>>11940074
Another adult here with 3 consoles and plenty of games

Every game platform that is famous enough to be brought up here at all has at least a few good games and is therefore a good platform, from the perspective of ordinary players from the future (us) who do not have to pay for the hardware in brick-and-mortar stores to make use of its features.

>>11940060
Trust primordial truth over zoomer revisionism

>>11940039
Based Shiggy

>>11937893
No he doesn't. Leave to /pol/ddit to throw around shit that lost all of it's stink nowadays.

>>11937897
>>11937906
SoA, the actual jewish half of the company, didn't make the Saturn. This isn't the wisest dig you're doing here, especially when "building on top of the Genesis" and making the Saturn $399 is the most kvetchy scheme they would come up.

>>11930797
> "bullshit outside of player's control"
Vague language that is completely irrelevant to anything that is not a sandbox. The reason why is becuase the nature of a videogame is to control itself without needing a human being to do everything. Incuding you, the player.