Thread 11995818

>Tonight, in the squared circle:
Shawn Michaels
versus
Razor Ramon
aaaand
Bam Bam Bigelow!

>>11995818 (OP)
>better than MK and KI
>better than No Mercy and Smackdown
How did they do it?

Sound design for Midway at the time was so good. This and Mortal Kombat really had a lot added to them due to the great sound effects and atmosphere.

>>11995826
100%. this game was extremely satisfying and a major case of "its different on a real cabinet"

>>11995860
>half of the roster is dead

>>11995860
The Dark Side of the Ring episode is kino. They mention this game hahaha

>>11995939
episode number?

>>11995929
3/8

>>11997001
34 (S4 E4) according to the wiki.

>>11997501
Is it the one about doink because the season number s4 e4 gave me one about wcw in north korea

>>11997558
>north korea
That one is S3 E4. Go forward a season.

>>11995929

Matt Borne (The original Doink) = died: 2013, age 55
Razor Ramone = 2022 , age 63
Undertaker = alive
Yokozuna = 2000, age 32
Shawn Michaels = alive
Bam Bam Bigelow = 2007, age 45
Bret 'Hitman' Hart = alive
Lex Luger = alive

Exactly half of them are dead.

>>11995818 (OP)
>PS1 and Saturn ports have no ingame music
>SNES port has cut characters and broken physics
>32X port runs at 30 fps
Genesis wins

>>11998496
crazy how much cut content there is like the unused referee

>>11998626
Yeah, weird how different the game would have been if they had done everything they wanted to.

Adam Bomb as a playable character, Mr Perfect as a playable character, a referee walking around and getting hit all the gime, wrestlers having weird fatalities, wrestlers getting chopped in half.. would have been wild.

>>11995818 (OP)
I liked in your house better, but maybe that's because I had the ps1 copy of IYH and the SNES copy of Wrestlemania the arcade game with the 6 characters.

>>11998854
Even though i feel like IYH is a bit inferior i do appreciate reshooting Undertaker and Shawn Michaels moves again rather than lazily reusing the ones from wrestlemania

>>11998854
In Your House has that cheap budget look. Only Midway could do digitized sprites right

>>11998854
The load times were brutal.

>>11995820
nothing is better than no mercy

>>11999142
They should upload the original tapes so fans can rerip the sprites, fucking little ps1 sprites.

>>11999297
Mania 2000 and smackdown 2 are both better than no mercy.

>>11998854
Even though this one did look quite a bit worse, it'd be neat if we could combine the games to bump up the roster.

>>11995860
Who's that in the bottom right?

>>11999463
Lex Luger

>>11999463
Lex Luger

>>11999297
Such a plebbit faggot opinion kek

No Mercy isn't even the best N64 wrestling game, I bet you probably never even played any of them

>>11995818 (OP)
Played it every fucking day with my bro. It's was so much fun but really needed some extra modes

For me its in that weird new generation era i never liked.

>>11999535
New gen was the greatest gen

>>11999545
It was the janetty gen

>>11999556
Newgen
>HHH
>Austin
>Bret Hart
>Shawn Michaels
>Mick Foley
>Undertaker
The jannetty gen was the PG era

>>11995929
>>11997115
>>11997659
Undertaker was always a dead man

>>11999460
Yeah that would be dimes

>>11998496
I remember playing this for hours as a kid trying to unlock Adam Bomb because I somehow read some shit on the internet or in a magazine that said if you beat the game with every character in a row without dying once you would unlock Adam Bomb. The kicker was I was playing the SNES version which doesn't even have Bam Bam or Yoko in it, which I didn't even know until after I made my parents buy it for me.

>>11999629
that's why he can do the alucard trick

>>11997659

Pro Wrestlers of that era really did have short lifespans. Most seem to die before they are 70. Was it the massive use of steroids?

>>11999629
>Undertaker was always a dead man
RIP Paul Bearer, though.

>>12000232
Drugs in general. Dudes were using all kinds of shit and drinking like fish.

launch

>>11999629
I like how people are finally turning on him for being the company man he always was and all it took was ditching his podcast buddy out of the blue with no warning whatsoever after selling it to WWE. Hogan-tier.

This shit always fascinated me.
>watch the demo play
>cool objects are flying off the wrestler when they are beaten
>play the game
>it never happens

>>11999650
>SNES version which doesn't even have Bam Bam or Yoko in it
What the fuck. 8 fighters with barely distinctive moveset is already fucked up, but 6?

>>12000497
>>cool objects are flying off the wrestler when they are beaten
This is only enabled for 1 on 1 matches and disabled for other types. I assume you start World Championship ladder, which starts with 1 vs 2. Try international Championship.

MAME has a cheat to enable these special effects for all types of matches

>>12000505
even mk2 snes had all the characters

>>12000506
>This is only enabled for 1 on 1 matches and disabled for other types
wtf is this for real? ive been watching fightcade matches and it seems like it only happens during hard hitting moves and combos

>>12000512
>only happens during hard hitting moves and combos
Yes, and only in 1 on 1 matches unless you use a cheat

>>11998352
>>PS1 and Saturn ports have no ingame music
>>SNES port has cut characters and broken physics
>>32X port runs at 30 fps
>Genesis wins

For all of the complaints that could be made about the Genesis port. The low colour sprites and backgrounds, the GEMS audio driver, the need for a 6-button game pad, but it is still playable with a 3-button game pad. It really is better than the SNES version. The SNES port is missing two characters and the slowdown is awful. For a 1995 release the SNES port is laughable,

https://youtu.be/9ORHLQOO_-A?t=62

32x port is built from the Genesis/ MD game. But uses the 32x high colour sprite layer for the characters, the sprites are bigger and more animated. The voice samples use the 32X sound channels. But the game runs at 30fps.

https://youtu.be/Vcf4UFJMees?t=8

>>12000521
Nta but huh I never noticed, i bet it was to save memory

>>12000529
Probably just to combat slowdown.

>>11998652
The chopped in half part I wouldn't like. Seeing John Cena get killed in Mortal Kombat just feels wrong, and I am not even a sensitive person or anything. There is just something not right about it.

>>12000793
Yeah it didnt fit the WWF theme at all. Probably why it was scrapped.

>>12000809
Just regular finishers with the theatrics and presentation played up as if it were a fatality would be cool

>>12000232
>Pro Wrestlers of that era really did have short lifespans. Most seem to die before they are 70. Was it the massive use of steroids?
Steroid abuse doesn't help but a shitton of them take painkillers that destroy their body. Because at the end of the day, even if fights are predetermined, like Goldberg said
>“We may know how it ends up, but you can’t fake gravity. When you get thrown off the top rope, you just got thrown off the top rope and it hurts.”
People give wrestlers like The Miz shit for wrestling in a way that plays it safe, but that guy is going to actually live to see his grandchildren as a result of it.

Most of the new wrestlers are going to die early too, a lot of them ard spot monkeys so painkiller addiction will hit them even harder.

>>12000232
Muscle relaxers like soma, coke, alcohol and an utterly insane travel schedule.

>>11998854
You would not want Van Vader in your house, that man smelled like SHIT.

>>12000827
>>12000856
>>12000876
People also don't take into account the stress on your body and nervous system to be performing live almost every day, travelling all the time, getting little sleep, still having to work out and eat copiously, pressure to move up the ladder or stay on top, backstage pressures from the office and the boys, not being able to be there for your family, under constant criticism from everyone, etc.

>>11995818 (OP)
kusoge

>>12001003
Up yours weeaboo, it was a highly popular game that was very well received.

Real Talk

I went to EVO in 2016 and there would be this last moment micro tournaments that would happen in the smaller mess halls.

Someone ran this but using the Arcade rom dump on a Pie with 2 fight sticks.

I didn't play or join but I watched and the take away was that Razor Ramon was Top Tier and had crazy long ass combos and that Yokozuna was the only other answer to Top Tier Razor Ramon players (He had a somewhat broke attack with a salt bag that had a huge hit box)

I don't know who is bottom tier, I didn't see many Lex or Shawn players but then again that might not mean anything.

Me? It's Ring of Destruction: Slam Masters II

>>12001051
Why this pic make my pp hard?

>>12001051
1991 British Bulldog playing Punch Out on the NES

Later on you learn from Bret Hart that Davey and Owen would always go looking for "Game Rooms" which back in the day all hotels would have 1-3 arcade machines somewhere in a hotel so they could play games. Davey liked sports stuff like NBA Jam and Neo Geo sports titles like Super Sidekick

>>12001065
HIT IT LIKE HAGGAR

>>12001051
I watch a lot of fightcade matches, it seems that most player choose random select but they mostly play a modified version called Acid Clown Edition which doesn’t have any information on what changes it has compared to the original arcade rom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0P4IqBAN98

>>12001082
Because seeing a person truly enjoy gaming in the pre internet era is now nothing more than a distant memory, so being reminded of the fact that it was once very real.. is boner inducing.
I for one get a RAVAGING boner whenever I see cartoons like Captain N or Super Mario Bros Super Show or The Power Team feat. Johnny Arcade.

>>12000793
>There is just something not right about it.
crazy how they considered it in the first place

>>12001198
You just know that they were doing that stuff on the side and then when some WWF higherup (laurenitis or something) came to check on their progress they were all like "LOOK, IT'S JUST LIKE MORTAL KOMBAT!! Eh? Eh?" Only to be told "oh nonono we are PG! Remove it!"

>>11997659
also Adam Bomb, who's character was recorded and meant to be included is dead too

>>11995860
where is Big Sexy? he should be there over doink and bam bam

>>12001695
No, he's not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Clark

>>12001708
Good question, maybe he wasnt colorful/fun enough? Someone should ask him if he was ever approached about doing it.

>>12001752
If that’s the case then he’d be featured in your house

>>12001708
Kevin Nash in a shoot interview (Kayfabe Timelines 1995) talked about how it bothered him on Lex and Doink got in the game and not him and how that was a big pay date he missed out on.

>>12001913
Gonna have to look that up, sounds interesting.

>>12001198

It is for the better that they removed these. It really didn't fit in with the WWF branding at all.

>>12001913
>Kevin Nash in a shoot interview (Kayfabe Timelines 1995) talked about how it bothered him on Lex and Doink got in the game and not him and how that was a big pay date he missed out on.

Doink the Clown was being pushed hard during the New Generation of WWF. It was a strong gimmick. WWF still used the original Doink likeness for this game, even though Matt Borne was fired from the WWF and there was a new Doink replacement. I never really understood the popularity of Lex Lugar. Wasn't Kevin Nash (Diesel) gone from the WWF when this game released? he was in the WCW at that point. The New generation era was a really transitional point for personalities. They were doing what they could to move away from the Hulkamania era.

>>12001198
whoa taker is made of ash or something, so cool and badass

>>11997115
4/8

>Doink
>Bam Bam
>Razor
>Yoko

>>11995818 (OP)
This game had the snappiest, best presentation of any fighting game ever. I don't care for the actual gameplay systems, but it moved with a rapid pace that almost every modern fighting game could learn a lot from.

>>12002108
>Wasn't Kevin Nash (Diesel) gone from the WWF when this game released?
No, the game took six months to make and came out in october 1995, Nash did not leave until spring 1996.
So from may to october 95 they did not know that nash was gonna leave, hell even scott hall is in the game and he left even a little earlier than nash did.

>>12001734
as yes, I'm thinking of Kanyon

wrestling is gay

>>12001967
This is the trailer for it that gives ya a peak. Video games come up I think twice, it's a long watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0oAwTGIPo

>>12002174
>>12001708
The game took too long to be made. The wrestlers footage was recorded in 1993. They have the original Doink (Matt Borne) in this game, who was fired from WWF in November 1993. Diesel was just a mid carder with bodyguard gimmick that year

>>12001085
Wish Davey didn't went to WCW and ruined his career and body.
Vince didn't want to se him die, and did all he could to save him, but WCW and Bret did ruin him.
And when he died, Vince sent help for his family to pay the hospital bets and even have his family money so they could settle after his departure.

>>12002174
Someone should ask Shawn if he also got to see MK3's development since Midway was working on both games at that time, would be interesting if they reached him to play Shang Tsung

>>12002185
But enough talking about NFL

>>12001065
kino

>>12002272
>they reached him to play Shang Tsung
Why would they, lol? John Turk was way cheaper.

>>12002318
That dude be trippin for real

>>12002235
True, Bret met John Turk during the UMK3 recording days.

>>12000232
Professional wrestlers used to be carnies. They were unhealthy freak shows who used roids to get big, coke and pain killers to get them through matches and liquor to help them sleep. They were constantly on the road driving around country sleep deprived, lifting 3-4 days a week in between practicing for matches and working matches, much of which involved hurling themselves onto the ground and bending and twisting their exhausted bodies. They never gave themselves chances to recover or rest, and as soon as the youthful energy and incredible bounceback of their 20s disappeared they became chronically riddled with problems in their 30s, but kept pushing themselves because they convinced themselves they could handle it as long as they could get in a few snorts, shots, and jabs.

>>12000490
The only reason taker stayed loyal to vince was because he knew hogan and the other old guard were going to run wcw into the ground and that he was going to be one of the biggest stars in the wwf by default. He was always a politician and I bet we'll start to hear some greaseball stuff about him in the coming years.

>>12003206
i cannot believe a jaw like that is even possible

>>12003413
People at Midway saw that jaw and said "perfect to play our asian ninjas"

>>12003243
Ackshually he thought about leaving because he felt the WWF was too childish, but he didnt like WCW because they once told him that he'd never draw a dime.

>"That was appealing, but there was never… even though it was completely different people, it was WCW that told me that I’d never draw a dime in this business. As much as I used that for fuel, as open-minded as I think I am and as I’ve matured, you would think like, ‘Okay, don’t be stupid. Take the money.’ But that always hung out there."

>>12003430
and then he proved them wrong and even bishoff admits it since american badass would be his gig at wcw

>>12003430
carder would have been wasted like bret was if he jumped. the only people that got over in the wcw were the nwo and sting.

>>12003541
And they ran that shit into the ground in record time

>>12003541
WCW had one amazing idea and milked it till people were sick of it, and yeah Taker would have become Mean Mark again, wigh some skits about him being a biker.
The highlight of his time in WCW would have been him feuding with The Disciple about who looked more bikerish.

>>12003541
>>12003710
Most of the big ex WWF guys made it fucking huge in WCW. Don't act like a bunch of salty retards just because one shitter Bret Fart couldn't draw a dime in WCW.

>>12003738
no they didn't lol, if anything it was the other way around. only the nwo aka hogan and his yes-men made it big.

>>12003421
Wasn't Scorpion the only fully Asian ninja? Everyone else was cosplaying as a ninja or hapa like Sub

>>11999520
i've not only played them all, i own them all, and i mod them.

i am probably one of the best no mercy hackers you've never heard of because it's all been monetized by faggots now. i make awesome mods and never release them because it's more fun for me.

the AKI games cannot be topped, the only reason why you would think WM2K would be better is....well there's literally no reason.

VPW2 would be an argument. Revenge would be an argument if you prefer WCW. but since you can make literally all the wrestlers from Revenge in No Mercy, with far better gameplay (don't give me the 'but it's slower' that hasn't been an issue for years and years, modders fixed that long ago), No Mercy is the best.

the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

>>12002108
no Luger actually left for WCW before Nash.

and yeah, Luger had zero personality and was a one trick pony. Fans marked out hard for him tho.

>>12004056
Well, yeah, Luger was infamously the "opening shot" in the Monday night wars. Nash and Hall were just the nuke.

>>12003541
i've been rewatching Nitro starting in 1996 on muh cytube channel, and this is absolutely retardedly wrong.

WCW got their entire luchador faction over, Alex Wright, Jericho, hell even guys like fucking Disco Inferno, not to mention the ECW guys like Raven and his flock, not to mention DDP (arguably the most popular WCW wrestler at several points), and not to EVEN mention the 4 Horseman (flair just coming out for an interview with Mean Gene would get the biggest pop of the night, every single week).

ric flair was easily the most over with WCW fans, then Sting, then DDP. this is because Flair actually worked while Sting was just popping pills, showing up for his five minutes, then bailing. Yes, everyone marked out for it, and yes it was kino af, but looking back as adult, it's clear to see why all the fans loved Flair so much. he's the goat.

even guys like Luger got MASSIVE pops. the episode i ended on this week was the episode where Luger upsets Hogan for the heavyweight title, massive moment for the show and Luger. probably his highest moment, and the fans were going absolutely apeshit.

thinking WCW was just the nWo and Sting is retarded and a clear sign you didn't watch and only know what you know from youtube videos.

>>12003663
this is also wrong, when you look up the ratings, WCW at their LOWEST point was still getting ratings better than almost anything today.

it was just a perfect storm of Ted Turner not giving a shit anymore, AOL/Time Warner merger, and the new owners not caring about WCW like Turner did when his grandson was a big fan. With the Turner money gone, Vince saw his opportunity and killed WCW, which in hindsight was retarded as he could have easily just kept it going and would have ended up making more money.

instead, he basically ruined the WCW talent, kept a few guys around, and just buried the rest.

>>12003738
this guy is absolutely correct.
>>12003886
this guy is absolutely retarded.

youtubers who never watched the monday night wars want you to believe WCW sucked because they only watched WWF.

WCW wasn't just better, it was EASILY better from like '95 to '98. it wasn't even close, WCW's roster was absolutely insane. the way they incorporated Japanese and Latino wrestlers, while Vince wouldn't give them any air time at all, made the difference.

the low/mid card of WCW was *insanely* entertaining. like who you would rather watch:

a six man tornado tag match with Super Calo, La Parka, Psicosis vs Rey Mysterio, JL, and Juventud Gurrerra?

or

Tommy Rogers vs Bobby Fulton?

WWF was scrambling hard for any kind of traction other than Stone Cold and Bret Hart. their roster was insanely top heavy with absolutely ZERO midcard entertainment, that's why they did the ECW invasion arc to try and get guys like Rob Van Dam over.

La Parka and Alex Wright alone were more entertaining than basically the entire WWF roster at that point. and WCW had a FUCKTON of japanese wrestlers during this era too, Jushin Thunder Liger, Ultimo Dragon, Great Muta, Masahiro Chono, like come on bro lmao.

>>11999629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUGi2X42sQ

>>12004089
nothing you said disproves what i said. no one went to a nitro show to see their large roster of jobbers. they were there for the nwo. and by 98 when half the fucking wcw roster was nwo, they were getting bored. didn't help when a quarter of nitro was dedicated to nwo promos.

and then mid 98 with the carder and mankind hell in a cell, it was fucking over (bischoff said it himself that they were fucked).

>>12004021
Has modding no mercy ever reached the point where thry managed to store graphics back into the rom again?
I'd love to have a WCW no mercy hack for my n64 flashcart.

>>12004089
wwf sucked but nobody gave a fuck about the random lucha matches. the commentators didnt even watch the match

>>11995818 (OP)
can Bam Bam Bigelow do cartwheels

>>11995818 (OP)
Yo speaking of wrestling vidya, I was talking about WWF with a colleague at work the other day, he told me Kevin Nash had a real unfortunate accident back in 1992. I asked him what, he said "fell on a black pole, or fifteen of them, if you catch my drift." Any ideas what the fuck he was talking about?

>>12004927
Kevin Nash, a Detroit back alley, 21 black men. You fill in the blanks.

>>12004927
There's a reason they call him "Kevin R. Nash".

>>12004929
BAWK

>>12004927
Mark Henry smashed Nash's ass
Booker T booked a suite in Nash's ass
Shelton Benjamin raped triple H inside Nash's ass
Farooq farucked nash in the ass
Viscera jizzera'd inside Nash's ass
Devon Dudley double stuffed Nash's ass
Bobby lashley, lastly put Nash's ass on a leash and burnt his cheeks to ashes.

>>12004927
Kevin Nash was anally raped by anywhere between 15 and 21 black men back in the sweltering hot summer of 1992.

>>12004942
yes we all played it anon

>>12004942
Hilarious joke that you've repeated 10,000 times

>>12004795
yes, there are a shitton of no mercy mods that are playable on original hardware.

i still emulate because texture mods are better and easier that way. but most of my codes work on original hardware, assuming you have a gameshark.

>>12004901
>random
bro thats retarded, they werent random at all, but mid 97 the luchador matches were set to air right at the start of the second hour of nitro, which was exactlt when raw was starting.

you are retarded. stop being retarded and go watch late 90's wrestling.

>>12004929
A rowdy game of dice?

>>12004076
Very strong post.

>>12005465
Anal rape is not a joke.

>>12006321
Oh it was rowdy. It was damn rowdy. But there were no dice. This was not a game of chance.

>>12001051
MISTAH HITMAN
'AHM FOOKT