Thread 12041642

>finally get a modern comprehensive rerelease of Lunar
>it still uses the motherfucking Working Designs english script
Victor Ireland is one of history's greatest monsters. How many games did WD permanently ruin the reputation of?

I'm brapping this thread, with no survivors.
*BRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP*

>big villain reveal
>most dramatic scene in the entire series
>"it's my coming out party!"

>>12041642 (OP)
Lunarfags deserved it, that and Dragon Song.

>>12041642 (OP)
>ruin the reputation of
You kidding me? People loved Lunar. The Working Designs scripts were one reason why, and a reason why the game is still talked about today. The only mistake they made was not including the WD difficulty changes, the balance in their versions of the PSX Lunars was fine.

I don't agree with changing game scripts as much as WD did, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy their scripts.

>>12041778
American manchildren that laugh at pop culture non sequiturs and fart jokes aren't people.

>>12041642 (OP)
based Vic forcing EOPs to learn moonrunes or die

>>12041805
No one asked, why don't you crawl back to whatever chan they have for your third world shithole (and Europe is included in third world shitholes)

>>12041642 (OP)
>bad voice acting replaced with better acting
>good voice acting replaced with worse acting
What was the point?

>>12041828
>Europe is included in third world shitholes

Lunar 3 was never in development, why did Vic Ireland lie like that

>>12041778
if I wanted to play gex, I would play gex

>>12041778
Oh look, an American localizations shill. Go back to bluesky, tranny.

>>12041778
honestly ive been enjoying the script so far in SSC but i cant imagine wanting the balance changes

UnWorked patched translations are the way to go...

>>12041917
>UnWorked patched translations
There are no patches for the translation, only patches to undo their meddling with mechanics and difficulty, which the Remaster also does

Trashing Working Design is a modern opinion, from the point of view of someone who can now play hundreds of JRPGs and tons of fan translations. Back then they were some of the only ones bringing JRPGs to the US, and the balance changes are also what western players were looking for at the time.

I'm not saying they were perfect, there are of course plenty of questionnable changes they did, but you have to look at the context to get the big picture.

Anyway Legend of Eldean is one game I doubt would be half as memorable without the WD humour, it's a pretty "by the numbers" game otherwise.

>>12041642 (OP)
Don't play any version other than the original, especially EB. It's one of the worst remakes in history. Totally gutted and fucked both overwold and dungeons, less animations, less music tracks, pitifully easy.

Just emulate the original, it's easy as fuck.

>>12042009
The original Gamefan review if Lunar, Nick Rox heavily rags on the translation and pop culture references. Back then it really annoyed me as well because the last thing I wanted to be reminded of playing this anime RPG was fucking Bill Clinton. But now I see it as nostalgically whimsical. I miss those days now....

>>12042009
>and the balance changes are also what western players were looking for at the time
deranged cope, it was purely to dissuade rentals

>>12042009
>Trashing Working Design is a modern opinion
true, back in the day people tolerated horrific fucking shit. If working designs today was altering scripts making hilarious pop culture references today at the expense of a certain american president im sure youd be laughing your ass off and defending it right?

>>12042035
You don't need to "dissuade rentals" for an RPG, the game is already long enough that one wouldn't want to rent it, especially if the saves are internal to the cartridge. Besides rentals were only detrimental to the big publishers, anything with a low print run rentals were benificial because that meant thousands of guaranteed sales from the rental shops.
The average age of a JRPG player in the US was older than in Japan.
Western reviewers and players complained when games were too easy. In Japan they complained that the JRPGs were too hard.
"Challenge" was a big part of video game marketing in the west, even for RPGs. There is a 1991 press release from Square that uses the word "challenge" 6 times.

>>12042054
>>12042035
Forgot to mention, but in the case of WD the balance changes make even more sense than for your average game.

In Japan the target audiance for these games was: literally everyone.
In the west the target audiance for a game published by WD back then was a niche of hardcore gamers

Same games, completely different markets.

>>12042035
I agree with him. I think the difficulty balances WD made make it better. They set it so that if you explore each dungeon fully but don't stop to grind on purpose, each boss will be a challenge and drain your resources, but you will win. My first time through Lunar 2, the final fight against Zophar came down to just Hiro left alive, no more healing or MP items left, one round away from death and win the fight with a Poe Sword. This is my Borgan in the current playthrough I have been doing. Though as nails, but pay attention, use what you have at your disposal and you can win. It doesn't get better than that.

>>12042054
>You don't need to "dissuade rentals" for an RPG, the game is already long enough that one wouldn't want to rent it
Then Blockbuster wouldn't have rented them, you narrative-spinning zoomer retard. I distinctly remember fighting other renters not only for the cartridges themselves, but for save files.

>>12042068
Lunar is CD based game, Kiddo.

>>12042078
Good job bot-kun, now read the entire quote chain and thread.

>>12042063
>I agree with him.

I never gave an opinion of what I think is better between the original or WD balancing as a whole (I think it varies from game to game, in fact I loved WD Alundra on my first play but hated it on my second play, go figure), I'm merely stating the context around WD because I feel that most people these days complaining about WD do not know or understand that context. They apply modern logic to it, like that anon above comparing the Bill Clinton joke to a moder "Donald Trump joke" in 2025.... the context is not the same.

>>12042089
exactly I agree.
Terrible localization for a game I played when I was a child and didnt know any better = good
Terrible localization when I am an adult and know better = bad

>>12042089
>the context is not the same.
It's the exact same thing.

>>12041642 (OP)
>>finally get a modern comprehensive rerelease of Lunar
We already got that on PSP 15 years ago and it didn't use the shitty WD script either.

>>12042128
Does the PSP version make any egregious gameplay changes? Because even if it's ugly I'd like to avoid WD's meddling.

>>12042089
I see what you mean then, and generally agree. With the pop culture stuff it wasn't so much specifically Clinton as much as just breaking the 4th wall like that pulled me out of the experience. Also shit like the fart jokes added in which I just thought were lame. Other than those parts though, I think the translation is really good overall. If you ever want to experience pain, play the Ubisoft port for Lunar SS on GBA, it is so dry and dull it somehow makes an awesome fantasy anime adventure utterly boring.

>>12042148
It removes some of the shitty padding and is mostly a better gameplay experience than the original game. Some people shit on it because it ruins the "plot twist" of who the villain is early on.

>>12042148
The game is completely different from the original. Dungeons are different, the overworld is completely different. If you're not an idiot both original US releases can be beaten with zero grinding at any time.

>>12042162
I don't care so much about the altered difficulty, more the prototypical troonslation injecting politics.

>>12042163
This >>12042032 is probably the most political thing in either game. There are fart jokes and Austin Power references, I really can't think of anything even the most easily triggered 2025 youngster would get offended over.

>>12042170
>prototypical
You seem to not understand what this word means.

>>12041642 (OP)
But does it include the WD Sega CD intro for Silver Star? Cause that shit rocks.

>>12041778
I love the localization of Popful Mail and idgaf what anyone thinks.

>>12041778
No one gives a shit about Lunar. Literally every single thread about it devolves into hating on WD. You're delusional and probably transsexual.

>>12042171
Nah I'm down with it's meaning. Have you played the original translations, or can you describe what you see as the "troonslation injecting politics"

>>12042194
>can you describe what you see as the "troonslation injecting politics"
Mentioning real world politicians in any capacity.

>>12041642 (OP)
>shit game getting another shit release
meh

>>12042184
Based, me too.

>>12042196
Do you see mentioning Bill Clinton as fundamentally different than mentioning Austin Powers? That's the bit I'm curious about, because to me now but even much more so at the time it's the exact same thing.

>>12042209
>something something don't let them enjoy things politicize everything something something
-some gay communist

>>12042209
I agree with this, making a Bill Clinton reference in the 90s wasn't seen the same as a Trump reference is now (or a Trump reference in the 90s, as seen >>12042206). It was basically on the same level as an Austin Powers reference.

>>12042216
>(or a Trump reference in the 90s
I phrased that poorly, I meant a Trump reference back then was just a generic pop culture reference with no political weight to it.

>>12042068
>I distinctly remember fighting other renters not only for the cartridges themselves, but for save files.
I remember that too, I rented Lufia 2 a bunch Didn't help that Lufia 2 had a habit of glitching and erasing my saves on top of people deleting it. But that kinda proves his point, you already had an incentive to buy RPGs instead of renting them because it wasn't fun fighting over saves or renting repeatedly.

Working Designs scripts are good and I'm tired of retarded contrarian weebs pretending otherwise.

>>12042226
Agreed

>>12042225
That doesn't prove shit except he wasn't alive then. JRPGs were a price premium due to their length (another thing zoomers are unaware of), and you would either rent or emulate if your parents just said no.

>>12042215
So you have no response or are you agreeing? Please at least try to use your words.

>>12042216
Exactly. Both a Trump and Clinton reference were just random pop culture things, it wasn't seen as a political statement the way things are now. People are tiggered over things now in a way that is just surreal compared to how it used to be.

>>12042229
Use your brain cells. Rub the two together.

>>12042227
>I HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING THIS WEIRD SINCE
literal family guy cutaway joke

>>12042228
>you would either rent or emulate if your parents just said no.
>or emulate
When/where are you thinking of? When people were regularly renting 16-bit RPGs, emulation for those games wasn't very good or a popular thing to do. Didn't start getting more commonplace until the late 90s and especially the early 2000s as far as I remember.

>>12042231
What I come up with is even seeing vague mention of a Clinton gets your panties in such a twist over modern politics that it makes you incapable of not being upset over even the mildest of jokes. If you're not that much of a triggered baby though I encourage you to actually articulate what you mean.

>>12042226
>complains about weebs
>your image
Zero self-awareness/jewish narrative spinner.

>>12042249
>a bunch of ad-hominem
Found the troonslator.

It's hopeless, /pol/ zoomers are programmed to associate all goofy localizations with the modern leftist Nintendo Treehouse localizers (hence "troonslator"), so their broken minds can't comprehend WD and how things were in the 90s.

>>12042257
>/pol/

>>12042262
>posts a /pol/ image to complain about being called /pol/

>inaccurate translations: new
:v
>inaccurate translations: old
:)
nostalglafags are the worst kind of hypocrites.

>>12042265
>jew complains about an image of a jew complaining about /pol/

>>12042269
Modern inaccurate translations can be good too. Inaccuracy doesn't change whether or not the script is enjoyable. I prefer when translations stick close to the original scripts, but that doesn't mean that inaccurate scripts can't be entertaining.

There's no hypocrisy there, just facts.

>>12042253
I literally don't know what that word means. If you can't speak English, we're clearly done. Your generation is fucked given the way you try to communicate.

>>12042271
this image has aged like milk since the left is more aware of jews and their lies, /pol/ on the other hand pretty much buys anything rw grifters say

Jews are good

>>12042283
Good morning saar.
>>12042285
On opposite day.

>>12042282
Yeah. Act like a baby and that's how I'll treat you. What a generation of absolute cry baby pussies. Enjoy never owning a house because you never learned hard work lol

>>12042289
Kvetch moar, jew boy.

>>12042289
He'll just blame the Jews for being a failure.

>>12042291
>>12042292
Called it lmao

>>12042292
Do you feel the squeeze, jew boy? Your own leader losing his shit trying to reassure us that you aren't murderous demons? HAHAHAHA it's all collapsing, jew boy.

>>12042227
looking at this, this comes off as more endearing than raping the original script
i feel like the only BAD translations are the ones that outright erase all traces of the OG setting of the game like Ace Attorney

>>12042291
Fuck Jews and fuck Isreal. Do you have anything to say abour why Lunar upsets you that isn't incoherent zoomer babble? Can you even articulate a single coherent thought?

>it's not 100% accurate boring shitty Jap translation!!
Seethe more tranny, it's simply more fun

>>12042305
It was translated by the same shabbos goyim who agree with the communist conception of constant political turmoil. Reminder that Antifa is now a terrorist organization, and you need to clean up your social media.

>>12042298
>comes off as more endearing than raping the original script
Exactly. WD localizations weren't nearly as bad as some people make them out to be. It also varied depending on the game. Stuff like Alundra wasn't as full of jokes outside of a few things like Bonaire being a stoner dude.

>>12042309
Good goy.

>>12042312
Do you even play games?

>>12042313
Yes.

>>12042316
Such as?

>>12042318
Last game was FFII. About to play FFT, and that's all the FF games for me.

Now denounce the Talmud.

>>12042320
Have you played Lunar?

>>12042321
Some of it. I stopped because the troonslation was too obnoxious.

>>12042323
Which Lunar?

>>12042324
Both.
>hurr durr why play a later game if you didn't play the first
I was twelve.

>>12042325
Which versions?

>>12042327
Your jewish mother dying in the camps version.

>>12042328
I'm getting the feeling this dude never actually played Lunar.

>>12042331
I'm getting the feeling that you're jewish.

>>12042308
So in one post you accuse me of being a Jew, but now you use a Jewish slur to refer to the translator, Victor Ireland and the Irish being one of the most outspoken opponents to the genocide being done by Isreal.

You have purposefully derailed this thread bitching that the original translation is so problematic that you can't play it, but you also can't articulate why. Every reply is a seemingly more random stab in the dark insult. Are you even human? Is this an AI chatbot shitting up the thread or some borded as fuck mossad agent? Either way, it's clear you never played Lunar and never will so if you have legs just turn on an oven and climb on in. It's your destiny anyway

>>12042341
Jews censor things, jews are behind communism, jews are behind the quote that I can't pinpoint: "make them argue endlessly about stupid bullshit." You are a kike or a communist tranny. Kvetch moar.

>>12042341
>Isreal
Cute, jew boy. But it isn't real.

>>12042351
More real than redditstine

>>12042250
>posting a weeb image means you are a contrarian weeb retard
Retard.

>>12042352
Well, see, they were a real nation before the shabbos zombies of WW2 just handed you that land. That needs to be corrected.

>>12042345
>>12042351
Lol, looks like I broke another corporate chat bot

Have a good evening /vr/ and play the original Lunars if you haven't, they're solid.