Thread 12128036

What's the most pretentious retro game?

>>12128050
Soilent hill 2 isn't pretentious. The movie it copies wasn't pretentious either.

FF7

Calling things pretentious is slang for "it filtered me"

>>12128051
>David Lynch slop
>not pretentious

>>12128065
Silent hill is better than anything David Lynch has made

You guys are like babbies.

>>12128069
i agree, the only exception is Lost Highway is better than Slop Hill 2 (literal ripoff)

>>12128036 (OP)
Ico

>>12128071
I don't know man. That game requires alot of reading and shit. How pretentious can it be if you already have to be pretty smart to play it

>>12128071
lmao yep, that's one alright.
>what if we had AI that could predict the future
>Reagan's milksop christianity and nationalism will lead to a future of mutated humans after he nukes everyone and the christian children will bully the mutated ones and you'll be chased by christofascist enforcers!
lmao and the solution of course is to vote for a Carter stand-in. Meretzky is a genuine hack.

I used to shill that on /v/ back in the day as one of those "people always say this is a good one" and then I actually played it and it turns out it's literally a walking sim whining about dated and whiny politics.

None of these are pretentious, you're all just dumb.

>>12128050
>>12128051
>>12128065
>>12128069
>>12128072
Witness the epitome of mental illness. Get better bait faggots.

>>12128095
^this. It's not the games that are pretentious, it's the fanboys and haters, they are 2 sides of the same coin. Shit like that is why i've always avoided discussion of games like Final Fantasy 7, even back in the early 2000's.

>>12128124
Try playing it, it's extremely dated even if a subset of americans are still retarded to this day.

>>12128130
Naw it’s fine

>>12128036 (OP)
Gex

>>12128136
How? It's family guy pretentious too?

>>12128036 (OP)
Playstation is the most pretentious console

This thread is pretentious because it's a thinly disguised "I don't like it" thread.

>>12128153
Only for people who don't know what pretentious means, which is mostly younger posters.

>>12128036 (OP)
Banjo-Kazooie

>>12128107
Grow up

>noo you're stupid if you don't figure out the unnecessarily cryptic and unfun combat system
shame, because the graphics and atmosphere are top notch, could use a remake with overhauled combat/progression

>>12128036 (OP)
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.

And I love the novella. But the game is absolute shit. It's really over-written, the solutions to some of the puzzles are obtuse, and you can easily get locked out of the good ending through no real fault of your own.

>>12128192
It doesn't do you any favors when you write that shit. My point that this thread is garbage stays.

What I got from this thread is that I have to play A Mind Forever Voyaging, thanks anons

>>12128158
where's the lie?

>>12128232
Nowhere, it's just pretentious to put this kind of stuff in a silly game with soldiers going to sleep when they hear an owl hoot

>>12128041
It's not. It's elevated, you can argue that is bad, but it never tries something out of it's reach. It's a great game that filters people because it attempts more than its peers.

David Cage is far more worthy of being called a wannabe filmmaker than Kojima.

>>12128085
>walking sim whining about dated and whiny politics
The more things change, the more they are the same.

>>12128296
Agreed

>>12128323
The fact that Cage got to work again and again after shitting put this turd is proof that tre videogame industry is a joke and always has been

>>12128353
The only joke is the complete nonsense that is your post abd I don't even like Cage's games.

>>12128036 (OP)
>>12128065
None of you know what pretentious means, it means acting as if having importance than you actually do. It does mot mean "artsy stuff i dont like"

Any PC FMV Myst clone that requires madman logic to complete.

>>12128246
This is a ridiculous opinion

>>12128036 (OP)
This is a straight-up VN. I had never read one before, and the game has a puzzle in the first 5 minutes, then never again. I was confused as fuck.

>>12128036 (OP)
Tokio plot is way too funny for it to be considered self-seriously pretentious

>>12128192
That isn't pretentious it's just flawed.

>>12128608
This is it.

Ff7

As a bonus, the gameplay is also really fucking bad.

>>12128659
As a bigger bonus, you are extremely retarded.

>>12128071
this is the main one in the thread. Yes I have actually played it.

whenever kojima brings up child soldiers like he has any idea how to make that come across... I dunno if it's pretentious but it's always embarrassing

>>12128126
lmao, my response to you was deleted even though it was about the game's politics.

>>12128085
>and it turns out it's literally a walking sim whining about dated and whiny politics
So what you're really saying is that the game is way ahead of its time?

>>12128153
>>12128561
Actually correct.

>>12128192
Another person who doesn't know what pretentious means.

>>12128296
>>12128323
Actual solid examples of pretentious games. David Cage is unbelievably self-important and it's reflected in his games and the stories he clumsily tries to tell.
Fortunately, the completely nonsensical and retarded shitbiscuit that is Indigo Prophecy is also fucking hilarious, which makes it kind of a good kusoge, so the game manages to have unintentional merit. The fact that the first half hour of the game baits and switches you so that you think it's going to be actually good is the cherry on top.

There are countless intentionally comedic games which aren't a fraction as funny as Indigo Prophecy.

>>12128071
This is a very good answer.

Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3

/thread

>>12128051
I like some of Lynch's movies but they're the height of pretentiousness.

>>12128036 (OP)
a big factor of what turns me off to morrowind is how pretentious the game's writing is and the psudes who are attracted to it.

>>12128192
>cryptic
>there is literally a manual in the main menu that explains everything

High Concept =/= pretentious

reddit hand
reddit hill 2
ico/sotc
movie game solid 2/3

I've never thought pretentious was a real thing, it always seems like people attacking something they felt is above them. Most of the stuff in this thread is bad because it's poorly designed or incomplete

>>12129574
The fanbase is insufferable but the game's not that pretentious

>>12128608
>>12128180
These two are basically undertale's daddies and you know what a pretentious piece of shit that is.

>>12129580
These games insist on itself

I wish we could have an actual Silver Case/Suda thread but I guess thats what desuarchive is for

>>12128072
Lost Highway was ALMOST great. Lynch created this interesting premise and then the movie ends like Junji Ito's oneshots - haha there's this unexplained thing and I'm not going to do anything with it because I'm out of beers so I'll end it here.

2005 counts as retro now, doesn't it?

>>12128162
This. Ultimate Reddit Experience.

>>12128036 (OP)
>ugly westaboo artstyle made towards to ironics
>overrated by tumblrgrounds (anyone that used one or both sites) jerkoffs like Egocrapper
>fawn by failed normalfags that grew up with Toonami/Adult Swim anime in the 2000s
>rhythm gameplay that's more basic than what was released in the 90s
>Worthikids

>>12128036 (OP)
The devs alone makes it insists upon itself.

>>12129939
you don't know what pretentious means do you

>>12128678
No, it’s actually shit

A lot of ERE Informatique and Cryo stuff would qualify but they're often so weird and out there they often come across as just b-movie stuff or outsider art.

>>12129949
>>12129949
>>12129949

>typical Final fantasy shenanigans
>"they all had amnesia so they don't remember the other timeline!"
>no, no, see you're supposed to never level up otherwise the game becomes impossible
>the summons are supposed to be watched in every battle

I hated Final Fantasy 8, but the worst shit about it was for sure the leveling system and the "twist" towards the middle of the plot. I never had a clue that you weren't really supposed to level up. That's nuts. In a Final Fantasy game? Like what?

>>12128162
In the slim chance you are being serious, how is a cartoon mascot game from the 90s made to appeal to kids, made by britbongs that were joking around the whole time while designing it, pretentious?

>>12128192
It's just part of Square's shovelware division.

>>12128296
Kino kusoge actually

>>12128659
It's ultimate anime "what if Evangelion was a game?" shitpiece.
But an enjoyable one.

>>12130048
Youre an idiot. The list of XG's influences and homages are a mile long, but the game was written and well into production before Eva aired. Anno just happened to grow up watching the same shit. If you had any brains you would know the two are completely different.

>>12130083
Got one, true kusoge enjoyer. Bet you liked Chrono Cross as well.

>>12129943
>westaboo artstyle
you're a weird guy

>>12130038
There's another word which also isn't understood or used correctly.

>>12130115
He's seemingly very retarded.

>>12129943
That cover art looks extremely Japanese, so unless the game looks different, I don't understand what is westaboo about it.

Weird how people are posting SH2 and even SH3 but not SH4 which is way more pretentious and stupid

If
>people I don't like
like it, then it's pretentious and also reddit

Friendly reminder everyone who posts "insists upon itself", both ironically and unironically, is an idiot trying to shitpost and failing at it. What a retarded thread (except for the Cage mentions)

>>12130087
Learn the words you use before posting like a clown, faggot.

>>12128036 (OP)
pic unrelated?

>>12130926
You literally start the game by killing off the main characters from the previous game, peak petty and pretentious

>>12130721
yeah, the whole game was just a metaphor for male circumcision
what were they thinking?

>>12128041
It's a terrible game because you are forced to listen to redditskull quips for the entirety of its length

>>12130027
If that's what you got out of the games systems you may be genuinely autistic. No game in existence is designed to be played as a minmax simulator

>>12129906
I second this. Less of a game and more of a bizarre art project

>>12130027
Only 10 y.o. ESLs are allowed to think FF8 is a tricky or challenging game. Them still retardposting their FF8 experiences as adults is why we need the purge.

>>12131375
Are you that fag who still pushes that stupidity?

Damn, what a retarded thread. There's no cure for stupidity, only death.

>>12131062
That would depend entirely on the intent.

>>12130779
>it insists upon itself
That quote made a lot more sense to me when I read it originally was used to describe The Sound of Music by some film school teacher Seth had and not The Godfather. Sound of Music isn't pretentious, but it does insist upon itself.

>>12130495
>everyone who doesn't like what I like is talking in a way I can't understand

Sorry for your extra chromosome, boy.

any game made by kojima or david cage. simple answer, retarded thread.

>>12132290
Be a man and accept defeat, your childish insults are lame.

>>12128036 (OP)
the thing about a lot of these games is that in terms of presentation they're just unambiguously good, above average. if you're looking for a cinematic, atmospheric experience or in the case of planescape torment slick genre fiction they're easy to like, you'll be entertained.

Any game made by nerds, like PC vehicle simulators.

>>12129574
>yooo morrowind
>back when bethesda made real hardcore rpgs
>*morrowind being literally just oblivion without voice acting*

>>12132932
Ironically Oblivion is the most hardcore Bethesda game and Morrowind fags cry hard because they can't mindlessly become a demigod just by grinding

>>12129574
It was never pretentious, most people could play the game without ever reading the books which is what a lot of people did.

The game is just a generic you are the chosen one story but the way its executed, the depth of the role playing mechanics and the immersion of the world is what set it apart.

Yes over the years there has been a group of people obsessed with muh chim and shit but Morrowind itself is not a pretentious game at all.

Its a great game but its common for great games to create fanbases that some would call pretentious especially younger fans of the inferior sequels like this>>12132932
>>12132948
jej

>>12132842
>Any game made by nerds
So every good video game?

>>12133479
and to add when it was released morrowind was known for two things - the depth of the RPG mechanics and world
and the fucking water graphics
That's what people talked about

The pretentious lore-obsessed MUH CHIM fags is something that slowly grew in later years with the internet

Those water graphics still blow my mind thinking back to the time

When I think retro games for people that enjoy literature and french art movies and don't think video games are real art, I think Cosmology of Kyoto, maybe Echo Night, Garage, LSD, Pathologic, Silent Hill 2, and Yume Nikki. JRPGs get pretty artsy sometimes. Funny enough the "walking sim" and the "art game" as concepts really took off in the 2010s but most of that stuff is actually pretty kitschy and stupid. Pretentious but not in an interesting way.

>>12133479
I like all the modern tes games, Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind and yes most people bitching about Oblivion are just midwits that failed building a good character and blame the game meanwhile call the easier Morrowind more "difficult"

>>12133507
I think those kind of people are disgusting retards but I fucking love LSD, maybe because it has no story so it doesn't comes off as pretentious garbage but just fun random shit

>>12133507
I wouldn't put the Echo Nights in that list. I like the game but it's just early Fromsoft jank. Silent Hill 2 is a stretch also, it's mostly riffing on David Lynch style with RE mechanics.

>>12133532
Silent Hill 2 is more movie than game and has a huge chunk of fans who have never actually played it and just watch video essays about it. I love it but it's a proto walking sim.

>>12128065
You don't know what pretentious means

>>12133539
When people say pretentious they really just mean art house shit like Godard and Lynch and Von Trier

>>12128296
Kojima is a guy who wanted to make movies, found it was easier to get a career in games, and said 'okay, well what can I do in a game that I can't in a movie?". Cage wanted to make movies, found it was easier to get a career in games, and said "I'm just going to try to make a movie in a game". Kojima has his fair share of issues and idiosyncrasies when it comes to writing, but he does clearly want to make games, which is more that can be said about the people he constantly gets compared to.

>>12133547
Yeah, and that isn't what pretentious means. When they say "pretentious" they mean "avant-garde" or "artsy" but since pretentious has an immediately negative connotation they use that, even though it doesn't fit.

>>12133551
I don't know why did they expect high school girls to be into Metal Geae

>>12128036 (OP)
https://youtu.be/MqSqRq0jKvg

Every game posted itt has nothing on pic related

>>12133507
none of those games are pretentious.
>>12128036 (OP)
The definition of pretentious is retarded It just boils down to an insult you throw at something you don't like because the things it's aiming for are not for you.
Pathologic is not pretentious, people called it so because it just add another layer to an adventure game (simulation) and I don't like walking or reading and the game is too complex
Silent Hill is pretentious now because consolefags need something to call pretentious
PS:T is pretentious because I don't like reading and the combat, I don't like it
so and so for every game ad nauseam because autists have degraded over the years. You faggots shouldn't even be here if you can't beat Planescape.
>the writing is bad, etc etc
then it's not pretentious is it, you just don't like it

>>12133865
>pretentious
>trying to appear or sound more important or clever than you are, especially in matters of art and literature

>>12133865
SH2 is pretentious because it thinks it's more than a video game

>>12133481
Good videogames need charismatic lead developers to put the programmers on a leash and say no when they dare to get creative.

>>12132842
Vehicle sims are like the most un pretentious shit, they don't do more than simulate a plane or a car. Most they might do is try to be luxury car or plane porn as well.

>>12133942
Too much fucking around with manuals and pointless busywork for a mech pilot power fantasy. Press this button to enable weapon selection, press these two buttons together to swap targets, walk in a straight line for 15 minutes until you reach your objective, push this other button to ask the laser cannon's pronouns or it won't fire, push this button to make your mech shart out its coolant if it overheats, etc.
And then when the gameplay finally happens it's the most boring shit you've ever seen. Pretentious to a T.

GADGET and BAD DAY ON THE MIDWAY

Surreal adventure games that mostly just consist of exploring pre rendered environments and talking to strange characters. Bad Day on the Midway is quite a bit better than Gadget.

>>12128041
>>12128050
Correct answers. Thread over.

>>12128085
That almost sounds interesting enough to warrant an ironic playthrough, but him supporting Carter, the man who allowed Jonestown to happen, makes me want to cave his skull in with a broken bottle (in minecraft).

>>12134170
>it's pretentious because I find it complicated!
I suppose computers are pretentious then

>>12128130
This game isn't pretentious, though some of its fans can be. Ueda just makes games he thinks are cool, he's always extremely down to earth in interviews. A western journalist once told him that there are some who consider his games to be art, and he said he was flattered, but didn't really consider his games to be art, just games.

>>12134481
Not complicated, just boring for the sake of complexity. I actually beat MW3, and most of the time spent on mech inventory and walking around 900km of desert on autopilot did not make for an entertaining game.
Nerds make things uncool and pretentious with pointless technicalities.

>>12134481
Nah he is right, it's supposed to be a game not a job, it takes itself more seriously than it has any right to be to the point it's not funny, it's by definition pretentious

>>12131459
What, you don't see the blatant symbolism??? It's right there, wake up sheeple!!!!!

>>12128036 (OP)
star tropix

>>12134692
How?

>>12131459
He's fucking with you. I'm pretty sure that the actual guy who went on about that is in an institution somewhere now, because he's dropped off the net. Or maybe he's just medicated now, but keeping a low profile.

I remember once seeing an account from someone who said she used to know him, and how he used to be more normal, but then started getting weird and aggressive as the paranoid schizophrenia began taking hold of him. Because she was undergoing cancer treatment at the time (I think maybe it was ovarian cancer or breast cancer), she decided that she didn't have the energy to emotionally deal with his changed personality anymore, so she cut him out of her life.
Actually very smart of her to do, emotional outlook unironically helps shitloads when you're dealing with serious disease like that, if she stayed in touch with him it would probably have worsened her odds, ergo theoretically she might not have survived.

>>12134487
Most of the thread is cheap ragebait or complaining about fandoms, but there's actually a few genuinely good examples which fit the definition of being pretentious.

>>12132948
Oblivion isn't hardcore. It's tedious. Morrowind is way more hardcore because not everything scales to your level, unlike Oblivion where going anywhere poses no threat, just annoyance.

>>12132932
>Morrowind is the same as Oblivion
Most Nordic pool temperature IQ take I've ever heard

>>12130779
'Insists upon itself' is more of a meme but 90% of people who use the word pretentious are complete idiots and the word itself has lost all of its meaning because of them. But with /vr/ it's not 90% it's more like 99,9%. It's like with /tv/, that board thinks anything that's not Marvel or Fast and Furious is 'pretentious' and that's why they (ironically) PRETEND to have shit taste to not seem 'pretentious'

>>12135221
>Oblivion maintains threat and challenges if you don't know how to build your character
>Morrowind is a cakewalk after leveling up a few times to the point every encounter is a trivial one shot.
Most people that believe "Morrowind" is hardcore are retards that don't understand why their swords phase through people without harming them.

>>12128153
>>12129590
I've never really cared to criticize something on the grounds that it's pretentious, I guess to the degree that I don't even think of things as pretentious even when they might objectively be, like Ridley Scott's Prometheus. I've got lots of thoughts on a movie like that before I get to things like "this movie isn't as sophisticated as the creator thinks". I find a lot of things that are disparagingly labelled as pretentious often have elements I find creative or novel. Eventually anything that just shows effort or doesn't demonstrate ironic writing will be considered pretentious.

>>12132283
>Sound of Music isn't pretentious, but it does insist upon itself.
Hm, sounds like more movies should insist upon themselves.

>>12133879
At what point does SH2 give you that impression?

Kojima can't both be a completely serious genius and taking the piss at all times, pick a lane MGS fags.

>>12135616
>Europe is being torn apart by war and tens of millions are dying
>but we are rich as hell so we can just sing songs

I'll never understand the appeal of Sound of Music

>>12135615
I think it's a mix of the average person being a tasteless normie, a defense mechanism against video games being disparaged as "not art", and a negative association between "artsy" games and games that are hardly games at all. Gamers rise up when a game tries to do something interesting.

>>12135624
When they made a 10/10 surrealist horror movie and then tacked on 4 hours of Resident Evil Lite

>>12135725
But The Sound of Music takes place before the war.

>>12133879
That's the faggot "Silent Hill" fans who only like Silent Hill 2 making their gay video essays about depression and trans identity or w/e. The game itself is not pretentious

>>12133706
Okay this is another excellent answer.

>>12135682
The game isn't pretentious just cause many of the fans are retarded.

>>12128071
>Meretzky, the author, said in an interview that his intent with the game was to convey a negative view of Reagan's policies. In another interview, he said that he had hoped for AMFV to cause controversy with its political content, expressing disappointment at the lack of hate mail.
This alone makes it worth checking out. Leftists have always been just embarrassing

>>12134489
Honestly saying games are NOT art is pretentious as fuck, games have music, graphics, writing, etc all that are art but somehow all the package in one is not art?

>>12128163
The fucking irony

>>12135221
>he didn't min/max +5's

pathetic morrobabby

>>12128036 (OP)
See >>12139365

It’s not a bad game, but it was a bit pretentious

>>12128051
You referring to Lost Highway? I feel like SH2 has the most in common with that though I know Jacob's Ladder was the main source of inspiration for SH1.

>>12139627
I hope we move on from pretentious being = bad. Killer7 is pretentious but it's a life changing experience. Sometimes the pretentiousness is earned. The issue is 90% of stuff that's "pretentious" is pretentious and shitty like Neil Breen movies. That shouldn't get lumped in with masterpiece pretentious kino like Killer7.

>>12130048
you didnt beat the game OR watch evangelion

Nightmare mode: Explain why it's pretentious
>*crickets*

>>12133706
Didn't Croucher even write a book about it, calling it "The best game you've never played"?

>>12140048
More sophisticated plot and aesthetics than Pong and Tetris. Mario is pretentious as fuck
>but look! this plumber is... le saving le princess!
Reddit as fuck, go read a book

I hate this word.
99% of times the work itself isn't even trying do create something that has a "muh deeper meaning" and then someone calls it "pretentious".

>>12138372
It's not that he thinks videogames aren't art, he is merely talking about his game.

In one interview though he says that when he play a game he always thinks how all the elements are "fake".
For example, in most 2.5d games they only show what the player will see, but outside of that (in out of bounds areas) there is nothing happening.

I guess being a game designer can indeed hurt the experience of playing games a little.

>>12131381
He's not too bad. There's worse characters

>>12140650
is this SH3?

>>12128036 (OP)
>>12128050
>>12139627
Now this is some weak ass bait.

>>12128192
it's actually simple to a fault if you take like 10 minutes to feel it out. beneath all the bells and whistles and stats it boils down to matching the right color to the right monster.

>>12128041
Is there ass rape in that game?

>>12139787
>but it's a life changing experience.
what kind of a sad miserable life you used to led if this pseudo-core slop was ''life changing'' for you? lol

>>12141137
Your head is far up your ass if you don't find these games pretentious.

>>12128036 (OP)
At least you can skip the worst cutscenes.

do you people like games?

>>12144184
what's that supposed to mean

>>12128659
counter point, xeno eis enjoyable, eva is somethign you want to never see again

>>12128036 (OP)
It's kingdom hearts for me

>>12146092
I've watched Eva three times. GOATed show.

>>12139775
I see the most of Jacob's Ladder in SH3.

>>12133551
Kojima doesn't design the gameplay in his games. He is unable to finish any of his games on even a easy difficulty.

>>12141128
Yes.

>>12128130
it wasnt pretenious at the time
it was when le reddit decided it was le best game of all time 5-10 years later

>>12141858
C'mon bud. You really have to try a bit harder with your weak ass bait if you want anyone to actually take you seriously.

>>12142194
It's just a generic military movie

>>12128036 (OP)
>What's the most pretentious retro game?
zelda by a mile

>>12139787
Imo anything that isn't low effort art school slop is valid. This is the difference between modern indie games and older games with production quality that veer a little bit off the beaten path. There's nothing wrong with being different if you have something to back it up with. It's when it's self masturbatory and low effort that it elicits a feeling of disgust and makes you feel like the creators don't give a shit about their craft outside of brownie points from some circles or institutions

>>12149543
Zelda's honest and kino

>>12140056
I have no idea if there's a book, but I half-remember reading a retrospective article he wrote about working on the game.

>>12128095
>>12128110
These. When you get down to it most people are morons. They can't actually articulate why they dislike something, so they latch on to "pretentious" or "bad pacing," when all they're really saying is "I wasn't invested," which has nothing to do with the game.

>>12149543
I can't think of a less pretentious series, because there's never any strong pretenses about story and characters, and 95% of the time it's effectively the same story and characters like last time.

>>12150472
>>12150650
I do believe that Anonymous poster on this fine imageboard has his tongue firmly planted in his taut cheek and he is giving an amusing, if fallacious, answer in order to mock the OP's question, as is common in the pervasively ironic milieu in which we find ourselves in this present moment.

>>12150661
I hate this era of absolute irony poisoning.

Metal Gear Solid.
No contest.

>>12129791
If anything, Undertale dialed the pretentiousness down compared to Moon.

>>12150687
It's an inevitability of acquired self-consciousness of communication, accelerated by mass communication technology. We know that we know that we know that we use words to affect other people. Words as an extension of the soul is outdated, they are merely tools.

Xenogears

>Shit Gameplay... wait, it can't be shit because it HAS NO gameplay
>Le experimental
>Le [empty] art
Honorary mention goes to...
Rez
I've seen some nonsense on /vr/ calling it "the fourth of the holy trinity (S&P, SF64, & PD:Z) of rail shooters," but Rez is just a pretentious "avant-garde music rail shooter" by "United Game Artists" (a shitty SEGA internal team that lasted 3 years and only developed 2 [two] gæms).
P.S.: The real fourth game of the holy trinity is Omega Boost. Personally, it's my third, with Starfox 64 in fourth, but whatever. Oh, and most of you don't even know what "pretentious" means, I bet most of you are indians or mexicans.

>>12151053
i think Moon: Reddit RPG is more pretentious than LOL
>muh subverting Le JRPG expectations!!!
trash

>>12128140
Yes they are also shallow and pedantic

>>12151053
>Lack of love
The story of my life

>>12151169
moon is one of the most soulful games I ever played. I quit gaming for years after seeing the ending. I dont think I ever played a jarpig since. I used to almost exclusively play them. Now I only play rhythm and shmup
>>12150712
My first thought was this

>>12151053
Rez was championed by pretentious people, especially in the early 2000s, but it's just a shooter with a psychodelic techno esthetic.

>>12151245
>Now I only play rhythm and shmup

>>12151053
>Rez
I still like it

>>12128659
Xenogears makes up for it by being awesome, though.
But yes the gameplay sucks.

>>12151258
>the gameplay part of gaming is the slop part
lol read a book niggah

>>12151256
>Rez was championed by pretentious people, especially in the early 2000s
i remember in the 10's it was always included in ''Le best PS2 games ever'' lists, that's how i learned about it
but now you rarely see anyone talking about it

>>12151265
rhythm and shmup are mobile ''gaming'' tier shit
play real video game genres, faggot

>>12151268
>>12151260
it's kusoge but if you play it high it's immersive. a rule of thumb is that all journos are retards who are basically permahigh. so when you get high you inherit their lack of skill and amateurish tastes

>>12151265
>muh gameplay
Says the nigger praising fucking moon

>>12151279
Looks like someone should gid gud

>>12151279
the opportunity for skill expression is completely unmatched though. nothing immerses you like it either. you really have to focus 100% and enter a flow state of wordlessness and timelessness that carries over into real life and helps you transcend existence

when i play criticslop or hipsterslop i feel bloated and groggy after. it just doesnt hit the same. if you're a shitter who's bad at games this is like explaining color to a blind person

>>12151285
as far as gameplay goes it's the jarpig of all time

>>12151291
>actually retarded rhythm slop and basic ass generic shooters are le smart
Pretentious ass post, fitting to be in thid retarded thread I guess

>>12151296
It's a shitty adventure game for retards that want to feel smart by consuming the most cheap subversion, more like the most eye rolling game of all time

>>12151297
if they're so retarded where are your clears? you're a pussy that has no confidence so you put them down after getting BTFO.

jarpigs treat the player like a child and give him level up systems that allow him to simulate the process of getting good at something. they give him a linearly progressed interactive cinematic. what's the value in that? they were walking sims and movie games before walking sims and movie games had the tech to exist

>>12151268
you rarely see anyone talk about rail shooters 2bh, Starfox 64 is the only one that gets brought up with any regularity.

>>12151302
post your 3x3 fedora tipper

>>12151316
Fedoras are the kind to jizz themselves over moon and undertale because OMG they are so deep

>>12151319
i never played undertale but moon gets a pass from me. they were ballsy but you know what they pulled it off

The only pretentious crap here are the posters themselves, and even then they write like some goddamn children that are too underage to use this shithole. Embarrassing.

>>12151328
Define pretentious

>>12151327
Moon is reddit slop
Chulip is 4chan kino, it filters redditors with the ''pedo'' themes

>>12151312
>y-you don't like them because you suck!!!
No I put them down because they are not fun games duh, rhythm by just looking at them I can tell they are a waste of time and shooters are meh and generic.

The only shooter I like I parodius and you think I give a fuck over what my score was at the end of the game or how many lives I used or how good I can do a level? Of course I fucking dont I just want to see the crazy enemies and levels

>>12151332
>Kimura eventually spoke with Marvelous Entertainment's Yosuhiro Wada about creating a game mixing a "flare of Moon and Japan a little while ago (say about 40 years ago)".[9]
kek. the devs of your game explicitly shouted out moon. guess they were redditors too huh
>>12151337
cope

>>12151364
>Cope
I accept your concession, videogames are art and they are meant for more than just beating your previous score because you are useless at everything else.

>>12151364
>the devs of your game explicitly shouted out moon
Chulip was made by ex-staff from the developers of Moon you retarded mongrel
that's why i compared the two, Moon was a turd that flopped and killed the developer, Chulip was their redemption

ITT: Buzzwords

>>12151371
>videogames are art
>hates the video game aspect of video games
OK shitter.
>>12151374
if moon never got a switch port you would be shilling it too. you only shill chulip because it's hipsterslop

"slop"-posters deserve the rope

>>12151402
>if moon never got a switch port
it got a fan trannyslation before that, that's when i played it (solely because of it's connection with Chulip) and oh boy did it fucking suck ass

>>12151421
well i only played it in jap maybe thats why

>>12151421
The trannylation leaked after the official release was already out. Also it's a great experience, don't be a fag.

>>12151402
I don't hate the videogame aspect, I just find a game that just offers a menu, some songs and some trippy backgrounds completely shallow and incomplete

>>12151319
I love moon but I'm meh on Undertale and deltarune. The latter are Tumblr fodder. The former is actual art.

>>12141847
>sad miserable life
Unironically yes, what do you think I'm posting here for? Life sucks and world is in a miserable state. This is all I live for.

>>12151457
>just offers a menu, some songs and some trippy backgrounds
What about the gameplay you nigger
The color of the menu text and the random background animations are meaningless flavor elements. The charts are the game. Literally the game is the game dude

>>12151479
Av yes the pinnacle of gameplay, press left when the arrow says so... yes they lack any interesting gameplay too. You play one song you have played them all.

>>12151481
you played friday night funkin or some shit on easy mode and you think you know. you're wrong
good charts push the limits of what you think is physically and mentally possible

>>12151489
At least FNF offers unique characters and lore so I can forgive FNF fans, unlike nothingburger just trippy backgrounds musicslop eaters.

>>12151504
>characters and lore
this niqqa plays games for the meaningless flavor text that they have the interns churn out, and thinks its le deep. lol.

>>12151524
Not deep but interesting, if a game doesn't offers anything interesting why does it deserves my time over one that does?

I did like the first one though

are there any pretentious nes/famicom games

>>12151673
Closest thing is probably mother 1, games didn't really push thematic boundaries back then

>>12129580
>ico/sotc
Only right answer in this post.

>>12129943
>ugly westaboo artstyle
It looks like One Piece.

>made towards to ironics
What does this even mean in your jumbled mess of a mind?

>it's artsy
>i got filtered
>i strongly disagree with the message and/or the politics of the creator

Which one is you?

>>12151673
portopia serial murder case
parodious
metal gear
wall street kid
any of the mahjong / go games

>>12151836
>parodius
>pretentious

>>12151837
im not like those other shmups UwU

>>12151328
TRVTHNVKE

>>12151332
Moon, Chulip, LOL and Rule of Rose share the same game designer, and the 4 games are überkusoge.
Kill yourself.

>>12129580
GODHAND of all things is pretentious? Lmao you have no clue what that means, do you


Also, to whoever’s been gangstalking me on /vr/ you’re a massive faggot with way too much free time apparently. I only respond once or twice to your threads, when I even do at all. The threads you’ve been making have been unsuccessful at getting me to feel bad about the things I enjoy, E. The Eno, the TXDR, the rest, it means nothing coming from you. You have shit taste.
Also, you will never be a woman.

>>12128036 (OP)
The N64 Zelda, one must concede, is a work of sincere ambition that stumbles into its aesthetic by dint of hardware rather than design — its low-res vistas and chunky polygons are not so much failings as the honest byproducts of an era’s courage, or at least that is what I tell myself between load screens. The draw distance, which in harsher lights reads as a horizon perpetually swaddled in fog, is really a conscious invitation to contemplation; one is meant to imagine the world beyond rather than be burdened by its full articulation. Glacial frame drops, when they occur, function like contemplative pauses in a symphony; the hiccuping camera is merely a reminder that presence requires negotiation with materiality. Textures, that patchwork of muddy color, are not crude so much as economical — every blot is a suggestion, a deliberate lacuna that compels the player to co-author the scene with memory. Controls that sometimes feel imprecise teach humility; when your jump overshoots or your aim slips, it is not poor engineering but an experiential lesson in tempering expectation. In short, the N64 Zelda does not overcome its constraints so much as integrate them into a worldview that privileges implication over completion, which is, admittedly, a tidy rationalization for what could also be described as technical underinvestment.

>>12152356
>ESL
>BROWN
>COPILOR DO THE NEEDFUL PLEASE FIX MY TEXT SO 4CHANNERS READ IT OKIE?

>>12152284
fuck off! Chulip and Rule of Rose are Kino of the highest order

>>12152513
>all caps
>seething at a copypasta
>embarassing loser chud bullshit nobody cares about
go back

>>12152738
>COPILOR SAAR PRINT GREENTEXT ANSWER TO 4CHANNER PLEASE

>>12150721
I refuse, anon. I think words are nice, and you should be nice too

>>12152947
>I think
Initial error.

>>12152974
Okay, my bad. Have a good day

>>12153239
Cultivate fear.

>>12128036 (OP)
Half Life 2

>>12128036 (OP)
Metal Gear Solid 2. King Cringe himself wrote it.

>>12151836
>parodious
>pretentious

>>12154084
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Parodius, the humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of japanese culture most of the jokes will go over a typical gamer's head.

>>12128153
>>12128161
This thread turned out to be a "which game has the most pretentious fanbase" thread. These games:
>Silent Hill 2
>Planescape
>Shadow of the Collossus
>Morrowind
are mostly not pretentious (maybe Shadow a tiny bit), but the people who shill them tend to be.

>>12128180
Not gonna lie, this one looks pretentious, but it also looks cool as fuck. Going to play that one.
>>12129590
It's a real thing, but when most people think of pretentious games, they're really thinking of the fanbases of said games. Pretentious games are ones that... yeah, for lack of a better phrase, "insist upon themselves", or just (I just thought of a better phrase) basically spend the entire game huffing their own farts about how awesome they are. It doesn't mean they're bad, either, necessarily. But it usually does.
>>12129925
See, here. Pathologic is pretentious as all fuck, but it's still good.
>>12133507
LSD is artsy, but entirely unpretentious (also good). Yume Nikki is mostly not pretentious. Pretentious people do love them, though.
>>12131389
Disgaea comes to mind, especially in the late game.

>>12128036 (OP)
>>12133865
Pathologic was pretentious. You could feel the game masturbating to itself in the mirror as you played. It had the same vibes at times as those poetry-writing power metal theater dorks in high school. Good thing the atmosphere works so well for it and that the game is actually good.
>>12135616
That movie is the most pretentious pile of shit in history. Fuck whoever even brought it up in the first place.
>>12135725
Me neither, anon.

>>12135245
That's exactly what "pretentious" is, though. Shit that "insists upon itself". That doesn't always mean it's bad (and most of the stuff listed in this thread isn't pretentious).
>>12139787
>Sometimes the pretentiousness is earned
This. Things can be pretentious and not be bad.

MGS for being the epitome of "le cinematic art" Ameriboo game and a pretentious Die Hard clone

Mortal Kombat for being a "le controversial" shitty game that wasn't even great from gore aspect

>>12154489
Bitch, it was mostly a parody of popular Konami games. Therefore being called Parodius. And it was pretty much Gradius but wackier.

>>12128036 (OP)
Zelda.

>>12152743
SEETHING
Which bit hurt your feels? It sounds just like one of the old Zelda flood spammer threads by the nintendo power fetish anon
>Link is more than a video game character, its an expression of the platonic meaning of ploygons within the concepts framed by a Nintendo engineers astral underpants after consuming some sushi you would not understand as you have not studied the thousand folded pages of Nintedo Power for 25 years and know what happens when you replay Link to the past 678 times in a darkened basement. The smell is more than that of a unwashed human body, it is one of escape to another place, a better place


>The N64 Zelda, one must concede, is a work of sincere ambition that stumbles into its aesthetic by dint of hardware rather than design — its low-res vistas and chunky polygons are not so much failings as the honest byproducts of an era’s courage, or at least that is what I tell myself between load screens. The draw distance, which in harsher lights reads as a horizon perpetually swaddled in fog, is really a conscious invitation to contemplation; one is meant to imagine the world beyond rather than be burdened by its full articulation. Glacial frame drops, when they occur, function like contemplative pauses in a symphony; the hiccuping camera is merely a reminder that presence requires negotiation with materiality. Textures, that patchwork of muddy color, are not crude so much as economical — every blot is a suggestion, a deliberate lacuna that compels the player to co-author the scene with memory. Controls that sometimes feel imprecise teach humility; when your jump overshoots or your aim slips, it is not poor engineering but an experiential lesson in tempering expectation. In short, the N64 Zelda does not overcome its constraints so much as integrate them into a worldview that privileges implication over completion, which is, admittedly, a tidy rationalization for what could also be described as technical underinvestment.

>>12156247
>It sounds just like one of the old Zelda flood spammer threads by the nintendo power fetish anon
I'm the one who said LOL and RES are pretentious, Pajeet. I couldn't care less about Zelda.

>>12156247
>SEETHING
lol, look in the mirror.

>tl;dr
lmao, lmelty.

>>12129925
honestly it's this. pure trash

>>12128036 (OP)
All of Grasshopper's games aside the Mysterious Murasame Castle are pretentious as fuck.
Suda51 was the first video game mega hack, before Kojima even.

>>12128071
You won the thread.

>>12156670
...what? That game predates the existence of grasshoper by like 10 or 15 years.

>>12130115
>Haha jappy mimics us superior westy artists i clappy!
and you're a bumbling idiot

>>12130495
Obvious samefag, and don't bother try proving otherwise, you can't.

>>12130508
It looks like a kiddied up Moebius

>>12151724
>It looks like One Piece.
Great example
>What does this even mean in your jumbled mess of a mind?
Use google once in your life and type "ironic anime fan"

>>12132932
>Morrowind has no voice acting
Is this how you honor the Sixth House, and the tribe unmourned? Come to me openly, and not by stealth.

>>12151673
Famicom Top Management makes corporate clipart its art style. It may not be strictly pretentious, but it does push a lot of the same buttons.

Harvester was pretty pretentious but I enjoyed it anyway.

>>12151328
>>12151853
Midwits mad

>>12156684
Human Entertainment and Grasshopper are the same people

>>12151692
All it did was used it's great story as a reward for crummy DQ2 gameplay

>>12133469
No

>Error: Duplicate file exists. here.
>>12133706
lol holy shit it took me a while to find this cover in high-res, too.

>>12129906
we are all great minds!
(except me. i should read threads more carefully)

revising my answer to Portal, A Computer Novel, for the Amiga.