Thread 12129510

What made Halo special?

>>12129510 (OP)
Darn good gameplay

Retardation. Same as Marathon for Mac fags.
They're dogshit.

>>12129510 (OP)
artstyle and seamless integration of vehicles

>>12129510 (OP)
Big ass maps for the most part.

It was a really well made fps for console, that felt like an fps made for console. The controls were slow and floaty, and it worked perfectly for a controller. It didn't feel janky, or imprecise, it felt natural. Also, really good multiplayer. That was the main thing.

>>12129510 (OP)
this >>12129535 and the fact when you looked up in the sky, you saw the fucking HALO loop around. no other game had a skybox like that. mindblowing

The visuals
The enemy AI
The soundtrack
Being the only shooter with fun vehicles

>>12129510 (OP)
Soul

>>12129510 (OP)
Is halo actually good or is this a nu-vr meme

>>12129565
It isn't. It has that aggressively generic look to it that you'd think of when picturing a fake game characters pretend to play on a TV show.

>>12129510 (OP)
He was a pretty cool guy

>>12129510 (OP)
>Great console FPS controls
>Large, open levels
>Co-op
>LAN multiplayer
>Vehicles that you can enter, sometimes with multiple people
>Intelligent AI for its time
>No ducking and shooting but flanking
>Rechargeable energy shield
>Military Sci-Fi story and world that felt kinda like the Empire from Star Wars or something
>That Halo loop
>You play a 7ft genetically-modified super soldier with cybernetic augmentations for strength and speed
>Weapons that look cool and feel great
>Epic music
I think there was nothing like it at that point. I don't know why people call it overrated, maybe it was the hype that made people dislike it.

>>12129565
Yes Halo: Combat Evolved *is* that good, but you can't fully enjoy it without at least one other person for Co-Op and three other people for versus.

It also requires you be explicit about what you look for in a game, because obviously Halo isn't like other games. You couldn't build maps or play tag like in Timesplitters; you couldn't be hyper-mobile like in Unreal Championship.

>>12129510 (OP)
It let poors without a PC experience playing an FPS

>>12129510 (OP)
It pushed the genre forward with the best AI (still unsurpassed), great weapon design, great enemy variety, awesome levels and massive areas with the best vehicle integration all tied together with an interesting story that got players really invested.

>>12129510 (OP)
good worldbuilding
good game
good voice acting
good visuals
overall it was just p. good

>>12129561
Why do they have to make everything so BROWN? It's way browner than even the actual photograph.

>>12129652
The people they're outsourcing to don't know that the Pacific northwest looks like.

>gaylo
Kek

It's a dudebro meme. It founded the whole Xbox live faggotry.
Piece of crap

>>12129510 (OP)
Everything.

80
go away incel no one wants to talk to you

>>12129510 (OP)
A game people wanted to play, not running on any other console, or pc.

>>12129680
damn you might be onto something

>>12129510 (OP)
The megalophobia

>>12129915
the thumbnail makes it look like two ass cheeks and a g-string

>>12129920
you ruined my perception of this, thank you

>>12129609
>I don't know why people call it overrated
Contrarianism is a powerful drug. I do the same to many games and movies I objectively enjoy. But Halo was my first game so I would never desecrate it like that.

>>12130128
>production value is... le bad

>>12130128
That's GoldenEye though

>>12130128
Basically, this. If you can't think of a better shooter at that time, your soul is lost and are a living golem who gave more money for demonic Bill Gates endeavors.

>>12129529
/thread
Halo and its consequences have been a disaster for first-person shooters.

>>12130139
That's doom though, or wolfenstein if your 5 years older than me

>>12130128
My first FPS was Quake 2, followed by Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2004, UT99, then followed by Quake 4, FEAR, and lastly Halo. I was finishing my secondary school, and Halo was the last game i played at that time. Then when i got my own PC, i played Morrowind and Halo. I miss those days - i have only good memories of playing Halo. I miss my old clan.

This reminds me that i need to pay through MCC thats idling in the backlog.

And yeah, big maps, easy to drive vehicles, and a damn good mil sci-fi story made it feel good, and shotgun made it feel GREAT.

>>12129565
It was rated 10/10 at launch, and it's still fun today. Get the Master Chief Collection the next time it's on sale for $9.99 + tax. The whole franchise is a particularly competent synthesis of 1980s scifi made video game.

>>12129620
Other than Half-Life, were there any PC Doom-em-ups that could compare to Halo in 2001?

>>12129652
it was the style at the time

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealIsBrown

>>12129561
This makes me so fucking angry. This is exactly why retro gaming is so important.

Halo, an overrated game, similar to Half Life 2, forced down people's throats through a massive and millionaire marketing and advertising campaign.
All Halo sequels were the same: millions upon millions in marketing. In terms of gameplay and fun: a shallow movie experience with no replayability and a multiplayer experience that quickly becomes boring, similar to a theme park.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101017062000/http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/halo.html
https://gamemarketingcampaigns.com/campaign/halo-2

Counter Strike, meanwhile, was the opposite of all that and organically became a worldwide phenomenon.

>>12129510 (OP)
Speaking purely from a single player experience
>weird continuation of Marathon/Bungie lore
>unresolved mystery regarding Forerunner/humanity connection
>wow cool power armor cyborg
>unresolved mystery regarding Covenant inner workings, society etc
>cool super structures
>clash between advanced alien races and humanity just scraping the stars
>interesting technology and weapons
>unresolved mystery as to conclusion of the series, open plot lines regarding books and side games

>>12129510 (OP)
Best contemporary FPS gameplay, fun story that was easy to understand and full of references to good media, the game felt epic with so many massive levels and vehicles - but most importantly, unrestricted local coop where you and a buddy could blast through the entire campaign on the same tv.

>>12129609
>Intelligent AI for its time
For any time. We've gone backwards in that aspect.

>>12130384
Unreal

>>12130673
CS gets old really quickly.

>>12130797
Unreal was like proto-Halo, but better. I should reinstall it.

>>12130824
You should, Unreal is awful and you've clearly forgotten that.

Halo 2 induced PTSD

>Max Hoberman
People are always shocked when they think about the impact multiplayer had on the quality of what we put out, and when I tell them all the hurdles that I faced. They think multiplayer must been what the majority of the studio was working on. Right? Uh, far from it.

>Marty O’Donnell
The famous Halo 2 crunch was so bad. We had to renege on so many promises. And this is such a typical Bungie story, as it happens over and over again. We just couldn’t deliver.

>Marcus Lehto
I think Halo 2 has the darkest memories for me, personally. We struggled the most as a studio at that time, just to figure out what we wanted to make, how we were going to come off of that success of Halo and to ante it up. But we just didn’t have the right leadership at that time.

>Marcus Lehto
We were obsessed with detail and with quality overall, so whatever we were going to ship, we knew it was going to be something that played well. But we all knew what it could’ve been, had we actually had our shit together.

>Joe Staten
We were driven by the strong desire to outdo ourselves, but we didn’t fully understand our limitations. And it was a hard process to admit to ourselves that we couldn’t do everything.

>Paul Bertone
It was basically a death march to the end. Nobody will say anything different, and if they do they’re just trying to sugarcoat it. Just a death march.

>Jaime Griesemer
Some of Halo 2 was great—the Xbox Live component was something nobody had ever done, the multiplayer was excellent. And a lot of really cool tech and story stuff happened. But we had to kill ourselves to get it done.

>Paul Bertone
I honestly thought that nobody was going to buy it, because the stuff we had to do at the end of the project felt so gut wrenching. But luckily, nobody saw how it was before, so for them it’s like all the stuff we took out just doesn’t exist.

>>12130128
this
Coming from a PC background, Halo was just another FPS. From today's perspective, Halo apparently was the bing bing wahoo of the console fps experience.
Real men played Deus Ex,SoF, Wolfenstein .

>>12130128
still causing tears a quarter of a century later. love it.

>>12130673
What a moronic comparison. Halo and Half Life are renowned for their campaign. Counter Strike is purely multiplayer only.

You have brain worms and are a fucking retard.

Never played it. Probably cause fpses are fun and it’s the first one outside of the n64 that didn’t require a mouse and or keyboard to feel like you’re in control of your character correctly

>>12130839
every nerd i knew enjoyed pc shooters and halo. console war shit is even gayer now when you're an adult with full access to everything and not a 13 year old boy.

>>12130882
Imagine being some nerd at a LAN scoffing at playing Halo when everyone else is. Total faggot shit.

The soundtrack (audio in general) and the atmosphere. Good use of cool (blue, purple, green) colors.

the internal data for volumetric lighting in halo ce and h2 is labeled 'mgs2'! presumably they saw metal gear solid 2's e3 2000 demo and decided to replicate the effect -- halo 2's dev tools make the reference very explicitly

>>12130891
>Good use of cool (blue, purple, green) colors.
Excellent point. This made the environments, weapons, enemies feel truly alien and futuristic. The gorgeous colors of the covenant made a perfect contrast with the humans.

>>12130891
>>12130925
The blood was also a huge deal. Blue, purple, green, orange. Just incredible.

>>12130927
It's sort of iridescent isn't it? I remember it glowing in such a way when light hits it and it being visible in dark spaces, making it feel a little extra gross and other world.

>>12130937
Grunt and Hunter blood definitely glows like crazy. Elite/jackal/flood blood does not to my knowledge.

I also remember Hunter blood can injure and kill you if you're shooting at a corpse and it flies directly at you.

>>12129971
I think people wouldn't call it overrated if it stayed a Mac/PC release like originally intended before the MS takeover. Some modest marketing (no normie hype) and gaming magazines calling it great, people would add it to the list of best PC games of the 2000s like Deus Ex or Half-Life 2.

Although I was skeptical of Halo myself when I got an Xbox that came with it and Midtown Madness 3 back in 2003. I was playing the latter game and only started playing Halo out of curiosity and I got hooked. I initially thought it was just a generic FPS game, I didn't believe the marketing hype.

>>12130794
I'm playing Far Cry (2004) right now because I never got to finish it back in the day. That game has horrible AI overall.

>>12129915
>>12129920
it's always been fat cortana asscheeks wrapped in a white bridal thong

>>12130128
I think my first FPS game was Star Wars Dark Forces II?

>>12129510 (OP)
Low effort shitpost-tier thread. Fuck off.

>>12129510 (OP)
Atmosphere, music, and a simple, safe, but straight-to-the-point story.
Leading up to launch it morphed into a more serious and edgy product, with a viral grasp into the public zeitgeist at a time when in was cool to be edgy and badass

>>12130385
At the time? That remake is coming out next year.

>>12131809
oh fug. i assumed it was just MCC. This seems very unnecessary.

>>12130128
Halo mogged the FPS genre so fucking hard people are still seething to this day, crazy shit.

>>12129510 (OP)
It had black people and aliens in it

>>12131890
Were there black people besides Al Matthews?

>>12131902
There was black marines guy

>>12131842
Man, if we had graphics like that in 2011...

>>12130128
Basically this but that isn't a bad thing. It was the first proper console fps. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were fun but were janky even at the time if you were already familiar with PC shooters.

>>12131878
but it couldn't even mog quake 1

Halo is a classic example of a mass-market product that won over the public. The guy who really thinks Halo is one of the pinnacles of FPS/video games is the same type who shamelessly claims that Back to the Future is his favorite movie, or that Rick and Morty is the best comedy ever made, that sort of thing.

>>12130794
Have you noticed the difference in how Elites deal with their shields going down? Lower ranked blue Elites will rush the player for a melee hit, while red higher ranked ones will retreat to cover and wait for their shields to recharge.
One of my favorite details, great AI.

>>12132460
You don't have to be mad and bitter that nobody is making Doom and Quake clones anymore dude, we've got so many in recent years.

>>12129510 (OP)
I really dont know. Even at the time I thought it wasn't very impressive. Im not much a fan of space shit tho and by that time I was playing games on pc that did what Halo did years ago

>>12131905
Johnson? I just asked if he's the only black guy.

>>12132460
Those are all pinnacles of their respective genres.

>>12129510 (OP)
Cortana's tits.

>>12129510 (OP)
It was just babby’s first video game for a lot of millennial college kids who previously didn’t play because Mario for babies and sports. That’s it.

A unique combination of solid art direction, memorable music, engaging gameplay, intelligent AI, interesting story, and advanced physics engine. There's never been another game like it.

>>12132526
The alien gorilla race doesn't make an appearance until I think 2.

I don't like when it goes letterboxed and takes away my HUD >:(

>>12131878
>mogged
zoom zoom zoomie

>>12129510 (OP)
>Shooting/Melee/Grenades

That golden triangle of gameplay.

>>12129510 (OP)
It was the first FPS that had real level design as opposed to mindless murder and key hunting. Doombabies don't want you to know this.
>>12130128
No that'd be idslop.

Playing it for the first time right now. Just beat the Silent Cartographer level. The long snow level. I got stuck on that bridge with the hunters sniping from the other side. Had no ammo or health. Was a real bitch.
What's the deal with Hunters in Halo 1? They die in one pistol shot even on heroic! It's like they realize how weak they are so they always pair them up.

Babby's first casual shooter with auto regenerating health for XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXTREME XBOX edgy console

I dunno, I was a broke little nigglet, got my hands on that demo that let me play Bloodgulch with other broke niggas. Then some faggot told me about Custom Edition. Ain't played no missions or no other game but Custom Edition on a Pentium III.
Whole lotta faggots talk about it like it was the shit, but it was straight copium for broke faggots, niggas who couldn't afford no fucking PC, or even niggas with a PC who couldn't afford the full game. It was accessible as hell and ran on the shittiest Compaq desktop. I'd say white trash and spics in trailer parks couldn't afford to play it, but somehow they was the ones with an OG Xbox.

>>12135202
Did you know you can go the opposite direction around the island to skip D-Day? :O

>>12135202
Aiming for the weak spot was seen as a high skill move when playing with sloppy potentiometer sticks at 480p, or more commonly 480i in 2001

>>12130128
lel this

>>12129609
Halo was ok, but it was mid if you played it after Duke Nukem, Quakes, Unreal Tournament, Half Life 1, RTCW and other shit. Every single thing you listed was done better already if by then you were into FPS games before 2001. It did a bunch of things decently enough to wow people who previously played bling bling wahoo and then wrapped it into admittedly a really good presentation. I think over time people would also be less critical if it wasn't for halokids it spawned and the hyperobnoxious gamer culture that it contributed to.

>>12135426
Although all this is true, what Halo did offer (eventually) was some deep lore that nerds could get into. Those other games you mentioned didn't have it (and one which you could have mentioned, Dark Forces 2, borrowed someone else's lore).

>>12135426
nintendo derangement syndrome in a thread about halo. impressive

>>12130128
Nah. My first FPS was actually CS 1.6, the best CS game to this day.
Halo:CE was my second FPS though, for the PC.

>>12135431
If Halo is "deep lore" to you, the book series it damn near plagiarized will blow your mind :O

>>12129510 (OP)
fuck off
sage

>>12129510 (OP)
Propaganda from MIC to recruit soldiers. Halo 2 campaign might as well be call of duty modernwarfare. Hell the sand level even looks like space iraq. 90s jarpigs from japan wasn't even that bad at brainwash agenda. Then japan got in line and went full anime psy op with FFX. Sixth gen was mistake outside GBA.

Oh and notice how the plot of halo centers around master chief being a supersoldier while the rest of the marines are canon fodder. Might as well be an advertisement of neuralink in 2001. Literal brain computer interface pentagon DOD soft disclosure, oh it's also delivered to you by microsoft no coincidence.

>>12129510 (OP)
first console game i experienced where friendly ai was intelligent and helpful and plenty. that hooked me immediately.

>>12136252
Ah yes, the classic “Halo was a Neuralink soft disclosure” galaxy-brain take, because clearly, a 2001 sci-fi shooter about a super soldier equals a Pentagon BCI psyop funded by Microsoft. Never mind that Neuralink didn’t exist for another 15 years, or that “enhanced soldier” stories have been a pulp staple since the 1930s. This basic power fantasy is CLEARLY classified propaganda, confusing coincidence with causation and narrative tropes with state secrets. I bet it's also a subtle jab at flat earthers too, with the concept of the ring planets, huh?

>>12129510 (OP)
Right time and place.

>>12136245
Remember never enjoy anything

>>12132507
>and by that time I was playing games on pc that did what Halo did years ago
name them.

>>12130839
>Deus Ex
terrible shooter, not even worth comparing
>SoF
dime a dozen hitscan fps
>wolfenstein
another ww2 shooter with terrible controls

>>12132460
back to the future could reasonably be argued to be the peak of its niche. it doesn't have the highest aims in terms of drama but the craftsmanship is there.

>>12133403
this

>>12135426
I don't think any of these games did the same things that Halo did as a whole. Halo incorporates many features and does so in a polished package in 2001.
I was delving into other FPS games up until when Halo was released. None of these great and influential games like HL1, UT, Quake, Goldeneye/Perfect Dark were able to do what Halo did overall. Like story, AI, world/levels, weapons, vehicles, multiplayer and soundtrack.
Again for a 2001 game. Halo also feels like it is a PC game (as was originally intended) rather than a console FPS, because it does so many things.

>>12136948
>None of these great and influential games like HL1, UT, Quake, Goldeneye/Perfect Dark were able to do what Halo did overall.
All of those are better and more technically impressive than Halo.

>>12129510 (OP)
It built off the foundation laid by Turok the Dinosaur Hunter.

>>12137304
but there were no dinosaurs

>>12136948
>>12136960
On a graphical level, what did Halo do right?

Gaylo is the first major FPS released after 9/11. It's a bad omen.

>>12138958
it did the needful :-)

>>12135202
Hunters being able to be one shot like that seems very dumb in hindsight and its one of the few things the remake is actually changing for the better. What the anon said here >>12135364 is actually probably the truth. Bungie also used to enjoy doing wacky shit like this in their games. Its also why the pistol is so insanely powerful in the game. But as a kid its kind of fun to learn through gameplay you can one shot them but once you learn you can do that the most intimidating unit in the covenant becomes too much of a joke. Which is why I find no issue with the remake changing this.

>>12129510 (OP)
right place right time

>>12140670
Hunters get annihilated with the plasma rifle. Just spam it anywhere and they go down in seconds.

>>12129510 (OP)
Gay Low was special for being the biggest turd in a small toilet

>>12140670
I don't see any problem with being able to one-shot them, but I think the cannon and shield bash could have been much stronger on Heroic & Legendary to reward dancing with them properly. It's satisfying to bait a melee attack and sneak up behind one.

nothing, it's slop praised only because it was the only shooter xbabies had

>>12130839
truth nuke

>>12130128
This
It's like tendies praising mario kart as the best racing game or smash as the best fighting game - xbox dudebros simply didn't know any other fps so they praised gaylo which objectively is mogged by every pc shooter.

>>12140918
Name a better shooter on other consoles. Go ahead, I dare you.

Because FPS games are objectively not worth playing unless you have people to play them with in CO OP or online and halo was best candidate for that until modernwarfare.

>doom is better quake is better halo babby shooter

shooters are pretty boring and empty from a technical perspective desu

>>12138958
Its bitmapping and shaders. On release it was the best looking game at the time.

>>12140996
Killzone on PS2

>>12141251
The game that did not even have a dedicated jump button and ran at 15fps? lol

Never played it. Maybe I'm too old but I didn't see the appeal and had no interest. Never owned a msoft console either

>>12129652
I genuinely believe every remake is brown and smoggy because the people who make games now are from places that are brown and smoggy. LA is a smog-filled desert city, Pakistan and India are smoggy deserts, and China may not be desert but it's still smoggy as fuck. No one who grew up in these places knows anything about what real nature looks like in a temperate climate with no smog.

>>12129510 (OP)
That moment right there in picrel. After fighting your way out of the ship full of tight gray corridors and metal bulkheads, you step out of the life boat for the first time and see...

Halo in all its majesty...

Top 5 gaming moments that really hasnt been topped since.

>>12141328
You just described Zelda 64, the greatest game of all time.

>>12129609
>>12130794
>>Intelligent AI for its time
Nothing compares to how fun the Elites were to fight.

I hated the Elites in Halo 2. Felt like a massive step backward.

>>12130128
No my first FPS was this piece of shit.

>>12129971
>>12130851
>>12131878
It really is the slower gameplay and the 2 weapon limit that drives people crazy. And really it was the fact that so many games copied this formula (thus ruining the FPS genre for a long time) that really makes people crazy and not really Halo itself, it was good for Halo to set it apart from other FPS at the time.

>>12143970
Some people just want Doom and Quake for eternity and get pissed when something popular isn't that. Those people are dumb and especially dumb now since we're getting so many of that kind of game these days, they have no right to complain.
Meanwhile the only Halo experience you can get is actual Halo, nothing else is truly like it.

>>12143992
ya know when you mention it, there really are no halo-likes. obviously games took design elements from it, but there's really no game out there that has the balance like halo does.

>>12129561
honestly I was ignoring this whole remaster remaster drama because I know I'm not gonna play it anyways but this one actually makes me mad as hell. It's not even like... that it looks brown and doodoo, it's actually that in the above screenshot, every enemy is VERY perfectly visible and you know exactly what they are, you see the blood on the ground as well to be sure you've dealt with them. The bottom screenshot what the fuck is that? I can't tell what any of those enemies even are, if I didn't know that they were grunts already, this is 100% unreadable garbage. What were they thinking?

>>12141000
>Because FPS games are objectively not worth playing unless
they're objectively the most varied genre.

>>12144038
I didn't even notice there were enemies in that panel until you mentoned it, kek.

>>12144045
>most varied genre
>shoot at terrorists (counterstrike)
>shoot at nazis and russians (call of duty wolfenstein)
>shoot at demons (doom)
>shoot at aays (halo gears of war)

FPS not played in co op or party modes is less redeeming then any other genre. What fun and replay value is there in solo FPS gameplay? It's just the same shit from doom 1 with fancier visuals and a different reskin. No wonder the founder of FPS was a robot in human skin (carmack). Even jarpigs have more variety and depth despite the stereotypes. Halo would be a nothingburger if it wasn't on a plug and play machine.

>>12145623
Name a genre with more variety.

>>12145646
shmups

>>12145725
>shoot the spaceships

>>12145725
>hold down shoot button
>wiggle between bullets
Literally every single shmup ever made.

>>12145725
>Shooting games (fighter craft) GOOD!
>Shooting games (infantry) BAD!

>>12145727
>>12145729
>>12145732
>shmup
>memorize bullet hell patterns in stages
>learn how to navigate bullet dodging while maximizing use of your bullet pattern
>stages are unique down to timing of on screen enemies
>FPS
>same raytracing demo carmack made in DOOM just reskinned with new theme

FPS is overrated. 24 years between DOOM and fortnite and they are the same shit just replace the 90s edgelord with cartoon zoomer graphics.

>>12145775
Go back to your 4 niggas in a row. This thread isn't for you

>>12129510 (OP)
You were younger, also cute Grunts and scary Flood.

>>12129510 (OP)
All military shooters are propaganda for the US military and are therefore worthless trash.
Halo is particularly unsubtle about this, especially with its right wing overtones.

>>12147860
It's a good thing modern videogames are completely devoid of propaganda.

>>12145775
>memorize bullet hell patterns in stages
Why do you suppose enemy configurations are not important in FPS games? Halo's enemies don't even use hitscan weapons, so doging is just as important there as in shumps.

Garbage game, Half Life 2 is much better

>>12145775
Raytracing isn't raycasting.

>>12129510 (OP)
For me it was just how big it felt. I came from games like Half-Life, Quake, DOOM, kind of like closed-in corridor shooters so Halo to me was a big jump. Especially the larger campaign missions where you actually had to traverse the landscape on vehicle or aircraft. That was huge for that time having that kind of seamless transition between using a vehicle then getting out and right into strafe and run shooting.

>>12147965
While I agree, Half Life 2 didn't come out for a couple years after CE, even then it was PC only. Back then consoles were much more mainstream. Funny enough me and my friends actually didn't ever really play HL2 until I finally got it because of GMOD

>>12129510 (OP)
>What made Halo special?
The franchise coming full circle

>>12129510 (OP)
Poor man's Half Life

>>12129510 (OP)
Console babbies first multiplayer FPS

>>12129510 (OP)
Kill consolefags

>>12129510 (OP)
Tranny game

>>12129915
For me, its a blue ass sharting a pool of blue diarrhea while 2 flies zip by

I've only played 1 and 2 but I can't tell where the fuck I'm supposed to go half the time in the outside levels. Everything looks the same and I end up going in circles

>>12129510 (OP)
gameplay was excellent as was pacing

>>12147965
the physic puzzles put a massive drag on Half Life 2. I thought they were lame even back then.

>>12149718
please tell me that was when you were a kid and not as an adult

>>12149759
Why would it be adult? I thought these games were designed for small children?

>>12149759
My dad's friend took several minutes to walk out of the first room in Halo CE. He spent his later years being and acting very divorced, chronically unemployed and homeless, and died in a VA hospital from type 2 diabetes complications while watching Fox News

>>12149850
It shouldn't be difficult for you to walk down the corridor. The whole game is like that.

>>12149718
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Halo confused the shit out of me when I first played it, especially Silent Cartographer and 343 Guilty Spark.

>>12149850
It's rated M. It's designed for adults.

>>12149853
Are you implying his misfortunes correlate with him not figuring out how to play it? Most boomers (as in actual baby bomers) don't know how to play anything more complicated than Pac-Man

>>12149853
>chronically unemployed and homeless, and died in a VA hospital from type 2 diabetes complications while watching Fox News
Literally me except for the dying from diabetes and being homeless and divorced part

>>12149915
so...not you at all

>>12129510 (OP)
Excellent enemy AI, fun encounter design, great aesthetic, fun weapon/vehicle sandbox. Making you choose your 2-weapon loadout rather than have everything on hand was technically a console limitation in regards to how FPSes were designed at the time, yet it's a core part of the weapon and enemy design, so it wound up working great. It becoming the norm in games that didn't put any thought into that aspect is why it's hated now.

I would say that 1's biggest problem is that the levels feel a little repetitive by the end, but they do mix up the enemy variety and level flow enough that the levels that reuse parts of earlier ones still feel fresh to play through, even if you could pull up a map in a void and "objectively" point out that they're recycled. 2's biggest problem is that Legendary is unbalanced, but that also makes it a crazy ride to go through with a friend.

1 and 2 are some of the best games ever made despite their flaws. A shame about 3 but it's not /vr/ anyways.

Have zoomers never played other 00s fps?

>>12151369
Modern Warfare 1 & 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, Borderlands 1. Zoomers played all of these. What a stupid fucking question.

>>12151384
Zoomers pretend Halo is the only one that matters

>>12151435
Zoomers stopped caring about Gaylo by the time MW2 came out. At that point Gaylo was seen as geeky scifi shit for fags.

Sunk cost fallacy/retard cope. The weirdo kids who's stupid parents bought them the wrong console desperately had to concince themselves and their peers that Halo was a masterpiece because it's all the Xbox had.

>>12137304
That's literally Metroid Prime.

>>12147871
Unlike your miserable attempt at a post.

having recently replayed it i'd say the music and general theming of the game.
i really love the environments and skyboxes of halo, i love how dirty the forerunner caves are alongside the design of the covenant, their weapons and their vehicles.
https://youtu.be/BSqm5Id6Hw0?si=xaN2pVIciHCyDeSh

>>12151346
>I would say that 1's biggest problem is that the levels feel a little repetitive by the end
Assault on the Control Room is pretty just same rooms repeated over and over

Even still it's the best and most fun chapter imo.

>2's biggest problem is that Legendary is unbalanced,
For me the biggest problem with 2 is that the guns are not nearly as fun to use and the enemy AI is not nearly as fun to engage in combat. Elites feel like they just stand still firing rapidly most of the time.

>>12152538
Biggest problem with Halo 2 was you couldn't melee while dual wielding. Dual wielding felt like a handicap.

>>12152590
that's not a problem, that's a deliberate design choice...

>>12129529
Marathon was basically Doom but slower, with some puzzles and a story. It was not as cool as any other game of it's time technically, but it was a level of comfy that cannot be understated. Bungie were the first to really slow down FPS shooters which between DOOM, Quake and Unreal Tournament basically became bullet hells in 3D. No 00s era shooter would have had the breathing space for ambiance if we'd stuck with 90s arenaslop gameplay. Love or hate either Halo or Marathon but it's inevitably left it's mark on a shooter you do love and cherish (unless you like arenas).

>>12134674
This and once they kept trying to add another layer to this triangle they kept ruining the gameplay. In 2 and 3 it was minimal enough to not be too much of a factor although still definitely noticeable. With Reach and all the 343 games they permanently ruined this balance forever.

>>12129510 (OP)
The story really came full circle.

>>12129510 (OP)
A vaguely appealing aesthetic and a perfect storm of conditions to cause a feedback-loop monopoly of social value around a broadly novel but mediocre thing.

There was nothing fundamentally interesting about Halo, and so as soon as competition appeared and popularity fell away, so too did all of its "special".

It made you feel part of something and thus valuable. Nothing more.

>>12153302
It's a fucking terrible one

>>12154724
Yup. Nintendo dropped the ball on delivering a true Goldeneye successor for Gamecube so people went for the next best thing.

The earliest docs are very interesting to read, as some story elements are locked in as early as June 1999 (such as Reach having been attacked by the Covenant, the ship you are on being named Pillar of Autumn, your AI assistant being Cortana, arriving and crashing on Halo, etc.) while other elements were in a constant state of flux. Even who you were as a character was not settled until very late—evolving from a Marine carrying Cortana into a nameless clone soldier, then changing into the vat-grown “Specialist,” and ultimately to the Master Chief.

Cut levels per a "Key Plot Points" document from Joseph Staten dated 01-24-2001

A10: Retail “The Pillar of Autumn”

A20: Combined with A30. This looks to have been the crash-landing area and “natural formation” tunnel entrance.

A30: Retail “Halo,” but most of the guerrilla war elements were scoped out (cut) when merged with A20.

A40: Attack on a Covenant excavation site. Engineers would have been introduced here. There was a light bridge in this map and Forerunner tunnels, but we don’t know specifics.

A50: Retail “Truth and Reconciliation” but played out differently. Entire section dealing with Prophet arrival was cut. Keyes originally learned the Covenant plan from watching the Prophet's "pre-arrival address" rather than somehow listening in on the guards’ prison conversation.

B10: Prophet assassination mission. Recover keys to the Control Center.

B20: With a Prophet dead, the Covenant military accelerates occupation of Halo and campaign against the human resistance forces. Exterior incorporated into C10.

B30: After Keyes gives a rallying speech, you are led into retail “The Silent Cartographer.” The actual objective changed over time, eventually settling on this being a map room.

>>12155035
B40: Retail “Assault on the Control Room.” One version of this map took place around a volcano (sorry, Spy Kids) where the Covenant was trying to break into the Control Room with a proto-Scarab.

C10: Retail “343 Guilty Spark” but the swamp was glassed before arrival.

C20: Retail “The Library.”

C30: Activate the Ring's orbital defenses and call down particle beam strikes.

C40: Retail “Two Betrayals.”

D10: Escape from Sentinels. Stunt-filled action extravaganza ending. This was partly repurposed into retail D40 as the Warthog run.

D20: Retail “Keyes.”

D30: Cortana calls all surviving Marines to retake the UNSC Pillar of Autumn. Everyone against everyone. We adapted this for the final mission of Fireteam Raven.

D40: Retail “The Maw.” In many versions (including late versions that have dialog recorded) you escaped on a lifepod instead of a Longsword.

>>12155036
>D30: Cortana calls all surviving Marines to retake the UNSC Pillar of Autumn. Everyone against everyone. We adapted this for the final mission of Fireteam Raven.
That would have been a cool finale after a few missions of assuming everyone's dead.

>>12129510 (OP)
The true red pill is that Cortana and the army ad nature of the game killed off the formula that worked from Marathon. The Durandal/Tycho banter was very fun through all three games and always took on a rebellious and patricidal tone. Making Cortana a submissive AI killed the banter and making the game an army ad removed any sort of philosophical views on what MC was doing.

Really, he should have just been a reborn security officer.

>>12129510 (OP)
Being a launch title.

>>12155983
There was only Halo and Oddworld for big linear narrative games. everything else was sports/arcade

>>12129510 (OP)
bump mapping

it's nice that console guys got a shooter again, like GoldenEye.

but you really do need a mouse and keyboard for an FPS.

>>12155147
Not for nothing anon you seem like a smart guy but it's very clear Halo was not going for anything Marathon was going for, even before the Halo 3 brotherhood army stuff. Halo was an atmospheric shooter pushing the boundaries with vehicular combat and advanced AI allies and enemies. The story was dead simple, not because of Cortana, but by design.

Halo 2 showed Bungie had the gumption to reach into space opera territory, but it's with 3 where the clearly phoned it in. 3 was such a disappointment to be desu for anyone who enjoys Halo 1 and 2.

>>12156997
Exactly. There's a reason console shooters need little radars in the corner where you can see nearby enemies.