Slow it down a bit

It is essential that the next Tales game allows a party member to cast Indignation.
Are we in agreement?

I still haven't played Arise

>>3782238
Meh, I like it when elements don't appear in every single title and are given some time to breathe. It appeared in both Berseria used by an ally and Arise used by a foe so I'd be okay with it not appearing in the next game. They will never ever surpass Jade's version anyway

>>3782211 (OP)
Cute lesbian

>>3782211 (OP)
Cute cis

sex with retards

>>3782411

short bus thread

>>3782319
Tales is lacking in yuribait for such an anime game. Meanwhile it's full of yaoibait...

I like the Narikiri Dungeon and the Radiant Mythology games spin-off games. If you've already played all the other Tales games, they can be fun. It's not as good as a mainline Tales games, but the crossover aspects makes up for it and it's better than a gacha game.

>>3782431
I like using characters from multiple games and the fanservice but really hated the dungeons. Felt a lot like the ones in Innocence DS.
Are the ones in 2 and 3 better?

>>3782428

>>3782435
Yeah no

>>3782439
here is your yuri ships anon

>>3782434
They're kinda the same

>>3782435
They hardly even talk to each other throughout the game
If anything it’s just Alisha being a cuckqueen because she was born a shitty muggle

>>3782434
Alfa System made Innocence DS and they re-used the engine from Radiant Mythology in it, Innocence's characters are even all just variants of the RM classes. RM2 and 3 stay on the same engine and the dungeon design doesn't evolve at all, nor does the fact that the games revolve around completing random kill/fetch quests.

Alphen/Rinwell already trivialize most enemies when geared properly and Dohalim's arena drops an item that functionally halve everyone's HP. Arise enemies with less HP would be a giant joke.
Bosses not respecting stagger sucks a ton of ass, especially before you get Alphen to the point where he can just spam his boost.

>>3782570
Are you a bot? Why the fuck are you responding to a twitter post on 4chan?

>>3782573
>Responding
No, I'm just legitimately baffled that people are still crying about Arise enemies being HP sponges in 2025.

>>3782526
I hate to say the publisher might have been right in such a case, but while I'm still disappointed we didn't get either of the sequels internationally I don't know how many of them I would bought upon seeing that the physics and dungeon design are mostly the same. I soured on FF Dissidia in a similar way, an experience I only liked enough to play once.

>>3782216
Did this ever happen in the anime?

>>3782308
That is likely true, and I am sad for it.

>>3782570
Thank god he told them they could do it with a patch, can't imagine what Namco would've done otherwise.

>>3782579
In one of the gacha

>>3782428
Ristelle is probably the prime yuriship, but even then it's hard because Estelle also has a lot going on with Flynn and Yuri.
Berseria can be a bit dkye-y with main girls sometime I guess? Norma and Elize are like anime groping gay?
Idk it's a reach

I wish Scarlet Nexus ended up becoming the Reiwa era Tales game we got. I think it would've been more polished if it got the budget that Arise had. The stupid and crazy nonsensical sci-fi plot points hit the mark. Wild Arms' Akifumi Kaneko would've made it more entertaining.

dead series

>>3782668
...known as "trails of" can't compare to this gold

>>3782668
>CHRONO CHRONO CHRONO out of nowhere

For me is\was\will be always rita.
You have no idea how many times i ejaculated over her figure.

>>3782668

>>3782720
Actually I do know, you mention it in several tales of threads

>>3782802
She does double anal and triple penetration sex and bukkakes with random man....

>>3782693
>"trails of"
more alive than tales of has ever been

>>3782579
Yeah, crossover/fanservice games get old fast.

>>3782852
I put 90 hours into RM3 and would gladly do it again

>>3782834
...if by "alive" you mean releasing garbage games that keep getting less and less players
the graces f pc port mogged all Kisekislop games btw

>>3783035
Dont change the narrative tales of dead

>esl kisekicunt is crying
Average Sunday, really.

>>3782887
Because the gameplay is amazing and would work in another series as well, or just because it's Tales characters on it?

>>3783035
Last three Traiils games barely surpassed 5 digits and they are finishing the series and cutting the remaining multiple story arcs that remained to end it fast. Keep crying, anon.

>>3783116
>finishing the series

>>3783116
Here we see the kisekibitch in its natural habitat, crying over the superior franchise while thinking his irrelevant low budget slop will "end"

I actually replied to the wrong person, lmao. Sorry fellow tales fans. But yeah, Trails is dying, nothing of value wil be lost, anyway.

>>3782814
Yes it is me. I don't even know if there are others with a rita figure here.

>>3783137
but...but where else will we get "that won't be necessary" and "haha" now

>Trails faggots
Wrong Thread Retards!
Learn to READ

>>3782834
lol
lmao even

>>3783115
The gameplay is fun and you have basically endless variety because of the size of the cast, but I won't pretend it stands toe to toe with the best Tales has to offer. The fanservice is definitely a big draw and it does it very well.

MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON

I guess the next remaster will be announced after they're down with the countdown? Yesterday we've reached RM2, i guess the next one should be Graces, RM3, and Xillia, then Xillia 2, Zesteria, Berseria then ended with Cresty and Arise?

Making a single player offline Crestoria would be so easy. You basically have the assets, the story, the characters designs.
Namco really hates money.

>>3784306
It'd be more work than Vesperia Definitive and that took 3 years. They're just incompetent.

>>3784316
It's amazing how Vesperia DE took 3 fucking years to be developed despite the PS3 version with that Cell clusterfuck programming only took 1 year.

>>3784319
I'm guessing the PS3 port was handled in-house, that was back when Tales Studio was still kicking. All of their ports nowadays are outsourced.

>>3784337
It should be fine now surely since the one handling Graces F is competent? Especially since Xillia all but confirmes as the next one and it's another PS3 port.
Hopefully they remove the piss filter.

>>3784399
Maybe. So far every recent remaster (Vesperia onwards) has been developed by a completely different studio, so I'm not sure they're going to stick with the one that did Graces. I wonder how long they took porting it.

>>3784306
>You basically have the assets
They have character models and that's it. They don't have any environments you can move around in. Plus everything (combat, exploration, menus, etc) would need to be coded from scratch.

>>3784403
>I wonder how long they took porting it.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was 3 years too. Probably greenlit it as soon as they got money from Arise.

>>3784405
It looks exactly like Zestiria and Berseria. And those already recycled a lot from Xillia and Xillia 2.
They have enough assets to pump out more 5 games unless Arise's graphics are mandatory.

I hope Abyss and the Xillias rerelase soon. Every thread or discussion about a remaster is related to those games.
Then the discussions would improve a bit and people would talk about older or unlocalized games.

>>3784413
Of course Arise's assets would be mandatory, who'd want a 2025 release to look like fucking PS3 Xillia 1 released in 2011

>>3784446
Anyone that played the series for the first 25 years/before Arise released? Or don't want to wait 5 or more years for a turd like Arise.

>>3784406
They said during the December 2024 anniversary stream that they started in 2021 so the 3ish years seems to be the timeline for these. Vesperia also took 3 years to remaster. They also said during that stream that they had no concrete plan for 2d remasters and didn't know what form they would tackle these projects. One of the weirdest thing they said is that they couldn't remake older games cause the scope would be too big and would take too long to make in Unreal. Like they would have to make too many towns and the world would be too big. It's like they forgot they can make an overworld like e33 did lol.

>>3784515
>One of the weirdest thing they said is that they couldn't remake older games cause the scope would be too big and would take too long to make in Unreal. Like they would have to make too many towns and the world would be too big.
I don't blame them. If it takes 2-3 years to adequately port and redo games that are already in 3D engines, imagine the work they'd have to do with say Phantasia. It would functionally be equivalent to making a brand new game from scratch.

A remake, remaster, or port at this point would be extremely disappointing.
It's getting very close to the point where there has only been one release in the series in the past decade

>>3784515
They probably just think it's not worth all the work. It's hard and unlikely to reuse 2-D assets in future games.

>>3784528
Stuff like Legendia could use a remake. There's like, one town, in the game.

>>3784515
>They said during the December 2024 anniversary stream that they started in 2021
Are you sure they were referring to the remaster project?

>>3784506
Yeah, people by the end there were oh so happy the series had visually stagnated and still looked like an early PS3 game

>>3784583
After Arise, people were happy with what they got in Berseria and Xillia, yes.

>>3784532
I'm not a fan of games that only have one central town, but I think that's one of the least issues. The combat system hardly works. And the world map is a joke. Like the overworld itself is fine, but holy shit the map itself. Some movesets can also be improved massively. Why does it take Moses until level 19 to learn a second eres? Why does Shirley come with only a single eres at level 50? And then she only learns and sea eres at level 73 as the quasi high priest of the sea itself. What!?

The story and characters were actually pretty nice, so I'd be happy to see a remake where someone competent irons out all the rough edges it has.

>>3784688
Non sequitur, Arise's issues had nothing to do with its visuals

>>3784688
Arise mogs Berseria

>>3784446
I mean as a lower budget game it should be fine? Just look at the newest Kiseki installments that look worse than X1
>>3784532
Legendia and Abyss remake with Vesperia graphics would be fantastic

>>3784705
>>3784708
5 years for a pretty looking, trash game.
Dilate.

>>3784760
Abyss and Legendia are the games that would benefit the most from a remake, I believe.
Abyss because it's already a good game but free run is broken, capacity cores suck and the cutscenes are all weird and clunky. Legendia because it's good in everything except gameplay and combat. I don't think the chibi is UGLY, but I don't like the way it looks.

I would play a Tempest remake as long as they added more story arcs and improved the combat, but honestly...they should've teased and made a Legendia R in the epilogue of Hearts R instead of teasing Tempest (and never going forward with the plan)

>>3784829
Tempest was already teased in Innocence R's triverse gate, it wasn't just a last minute thing in Hearts R.

>>3784824
>no argument on wanting new Tales games to look like 2011 videogames while lacking the same content they've lacked since Vesperia
I'll accept the concession

>>3784869
Too bad Vesperia is irrelevant to the discussion and Crestoria +Xillia~Berseria aesthetics and assets are completely different from it.
5 years AKA longest development time for a trash game with worse characters, worse Skits and worse bosses than 99% of the series. The pros? Graphics
Good trade-off, #believe.
Might as well continue to release games every 1~3 years.
Xillia, Xillia 2 and Berseria were all much better than Arise, sorry.

>>3784843
Irrelevant. Should've teased and made Legendia R instead.

>>3784928
Who the fuck are you even arguing with, schizo? I don't give a shit about Arise's content because the *mechanical quality* of the game had nothing to do with the discussion at hand. I do give a shit about you stating they have "enough assets to pump out more 5 games unless Arise's graphics are mandatory" oblivious to the fact yes, in 2011+14, the absolute *bare fucking minimum* would be graphics that don't make Tales stagnate and look like a second rate cheap franchise like it did with Zestiria and Berseria. Either get an actual argument that doesn't make you go all schizo on a random strawman or I'll keep accepting the concession.

You people are still arguing for 2 threads

>>3784934
And yet, those games with stagnated graphics released faster, had better gameplay, combat, characters, bosses. Tales never needed latest gen graphics, tourist-kun.
Making more games like Xillia, Xillia 2 and Berseria is less time than releasing trash like Arise after 5 or more years is better, sorry.

>>3784953
>>3784705

>>3785085
Graphic fidelity = more development time
>>3784953

>>3785257
Guess that explains how long it took for Berseria to be developed after Zestiria... oh wait
>b-but Berseria's graphics were worse!
And so were Abyss', guess we never should've made visuals better than those. So, any reason a new Tales title couldn't reuse Arise's assets just like Berseria reused Zestiria's? Besides wanting games to take just as long to develop because the current devs won't magically become more competent, is there any reason you want the new mainline title of Namco's quintessential JRPG series to look *worse* than it did half a decade ago?

>>3785261
Xillia, Xillia 2 and Berseria were developed in 1~3 years while garbage like Arise took 5.
Better characters, better combat, better mechanics, better writing, less development time. Better games.
Dilate.

>>3785271
Try to actually read the posts you reply to. Until then, >>3784869

>>3784953
You're being schizo cause you're making a causation out of a correlation and arguing for an entirely different thing as a result. The change in graphics has almost nothing to do with Arise consistently picking the worst option for its game design. It's probably because all the good talent left the company during the last decade before Arise released. I can't even fault them for that since they had to work under Baba who seems to be an overall shit producer. Good riddance to him. Unfortunately, the Tales team still seems to be in shamble and the director no idea about good game design. The only thing they know now is pretty graphics which is very marketable. And so we got the number one selling Tales game that also happens to be the number one garbage pile.

Bringing Abyss to the discussion certainly didn't helped you, either, it had a 2 year development cycle, like most of the PS1/PS2 games.
>Wah wah wah they could just recycle like Berseria
Arise is almost 4 years old, graphic fidelity won't let new games be released faster. Berseria was released one year later. Horrible example.
Sorry, half of a decade for trash will never be worth it. The Tales with longer development times were Zestiria (3) and Arise (5) and both are shit.

>>3785276
>>3785277
Better characters, better combat, better writing, less development time. Better games.
Cope, seethe, dilate.

>>3785280
Bro, what good is the better writing to you if you evidently can't read. I tried to toss you a bone, but your schizo ass can't even pick it up.

>>3785287
>>3785280

>>3785277
Zestiria's issues came from the devs just having bad ideas with no tard wrangler to veto said bad ideas.

I've seen mods that improve Zestiria's gameplay by removing its restrictions on team comp, and letting the seraph characters use their armatus spells even while not merged with Sorey.

For the characters the issue is that they aren't properly explored as the game wastes time in the first 3 hours on an irrelevant plot, and then proceeds to ignore the characters' personal plots even though they are connected to the story. There was too much focus on"saving the world" and not enough focus as to why you should do it.

>>3785291
I honestly have no idea about Zestiria. I tried it with three friends but the battle camer, fusion system and some other things all made us drop the game after one session. I also don't have any desire to pick it up myself. I'll just call Baba a friendless hack cause that's what he must be with the weird systems they came up with since Xillia.

Tales should've sticked to Vesperia. The only "improvement" Xillia had were proportional characters and better animations in cutscenes.
The games are really ugly, it's fucking amaziny how bad Berseria looks for a 2016 title.
Games barely have any in-game costume or content either, it's all paid DLC.

>>3785296
A lot of Zestiria's came from the director and head writer wanting to do something different but not making obvious choices that would still be different to Tales.

Baba's issue is that he didn't do his job as producer and veto their dumb ideas. For instance, the whole reason why the head writer and director didn't want a heroine is just because they wanted to be different and not have main love interest for Sorey. Due to Sorey not having a love interest Mikleo was created to fill the role of a heroine without the romance. Ironically though Mikleo is also a man they can't explore him like they normally would with a heroine. So Sorey’s main goal becomes poorly explored as a result.

Zestiria has a bunch of ideas that clash with each other, both in writing and game design. Seraphim is invisible so they can't interact with anyone else besides Sorey, Rose, Alisha when synced with Sorey and the villains (something weird in a RPG). Humans can't normally see Hellions. Humans can turn into them, but others still perceive them as humans despite these hellions having giant fangs, multiple arms or spiting fire.
You can't have a party of 1 Human and 3 Seraphim, when Alisha retires the other two character slots are unavailable. She can't armatize either because resonance reasons.
You can't control other characters on field, only Sorey since he is the one that uses their abilities to solve puzzles and get over obstacles. You can't use Rose either, she only follows Sorey and serves as a Quest Diary.
Half-assed game.

>>3785333
You dont need a heroine to explain the MC's goals or whatever that's a bullshit excuse. Mint is the heroine of Phantasia but you dont need her to tell us what Cless wants to do. We know that Cless wants to go back home and douse Dhaos.
The game was rushed to meet the anniversary deadline and Baba did a terrible job as director because he was focused on other stuff.

dead series

>>3785408
The problem is that Mikleo IS Sorey’s goal. Sorey wants to spend the rest of his life traveling with Mikleo. Because of that Sorey needs to create a world where humans and seraphs co-exist. You can see the issue that this relationship is supposed to be one that forms the MC's can't be explored because a genius devs were insistent that Sorey had to stay chaste.

>>3785356
They could have fixed it by just making it so that for the entire mid to last half of the game seraph and hellions both become Visible because Hedalf's domain. There problem solved. It's hilarious how the devs created unnecessary problems because they were too hung up on their visions. That's pretty much what they did in Asteria.

The 17th Game is still going to be UE4/5 but the 18th will be developed in Namco new engine made by Fox engine guys

ok so im where you meet pascals big sister in graces f and the game is really boring right now did i choose a bad first tales game or does it get better?

>>3785667
I still don't think you need a heroine for that to be a thing. Sorey simply wanting to make life easier for his best bro and the people he grew up with is fine.

>>3785677
This would fix a lot of issues from the game, lol. Even the whole thing about Alisha leaving and being unable to use armatization. Heck, the game could've let her use it on that dumb horrible DLC as well.Zestiria is a mess. I still found some enjoyment on it, but holyshit.

>>3785849
Nah they should have followed up with their original idea with Alisha and not try to expand her role in the story. But then again the whole reason why Alisha became a problem to begin with is because of what anon said >>3785333.

Half of the dev team realized that not having a heroine was retarded. The head writer and head director especially fucked up because despite not having a heroine they also wanted a false heroine. But you can only have a fake heroine if you a also have a real one to be the actual heroine. If they had a real heroine from day one then the Alisha issue would not have happened.

>>3785843
Exvept, Sorey wants to spend the rest of his life with Mikleo, it's not about him making life easier for Mikleo. Sorey literally wants to spend the rest of his life with Mikleo

>>3785849
I liked the idea that not everyone can armatize or that the average person's resonance is so shit that trying to carry the weight is killing Sorey. His interactions with Alisha should have been used as one of the reasons why Sorey wants to help everyone be able to interact with seraphs.

>>3785991
>His interactions with Alisha should have been used as one of the reasons why Sorey wants to help everyone be able to interact with seraphs.
Sorey wanting coexistence was already his ultimate goal long before he met Alisha. His interaction with Alisha is how he learned what he needed to sacrifice to achieve his goal.

I love them.

>>3784824
Miles better than Berseria

>>3785408
*Cress

>>3786226
Said no one ever. Tourists and newfags opinions are irrelevant.

>>3786323
Lets be honest here, regardless of Arise's quality as a game, Berseria got a lot of praise by virtue of the preceeding game being so universally reviled that almost anything would be good in comparison.

>>3786323
>WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAA
you waifucunts are so predictable honestly, all that for a mid tier whore

>>3786399
No, we just hate Arise with passion. It has nothing to do with Velvet.

>>3786327
It's praise because it's the only good story in the series along Abyss. Zestiria being shit is irrelevant, Legendia released just before Abyss as well.

>>3786323
He says, while defending tourist central the game

>>3786411
>reskinned symphonia with faux evil edge and worse plot

You people need to get out from internet for a week or two. Its not healthy to pointlessly argue your shit endlessly. Plug out that Router NOW

Arise doesn't have dogshit gameplay so it mogs Berseria

>Scholars are having a healthy debate
>Pedophilic mongrel crawls out of the dust to cry
All too common.

>>3786411
I still don't understand what's supposed to be so good about the story. Artorius' reason for what he's doing is is incredibly generic and badly explored. Swordbro hangs out with him to be the menacing boss for when the time is ripe™. Mad scientist is seemingly there just to enable some of the things they do while having next to no character. And the siblings basically only act on wrong information. The only "twist" that comes to mind is Velvet being a therion, but that she literally got called just that at the beginning. The game simply pretends that it didn't.
Besides, the antagonists ignore the party for no apparent reason for half the game. It really doesn't feel like anything special. Still better than Arise which is just pants on head retarded and hardly works at all, but that's not saying much.

>>3786411
>good story
Lol, it's a joke. And completely shits on it's own premise

lloyd best boy

>>3786482
>Scholars
It just shitposting dude.
When 4chan got hacked i actually become a better man myself, less schizoic and actually appreciate things.

....then it got back up.
Internet was a mistake.

>>3786411
Berseria had good characters, not story. The only Tales with good stories are Abyss, Symphonia, and Legendia.
Hearts could've been good but the dialogues and writing are atrocious.
Destiny had potential but they didn't know where the direction should go and completely went down the garbage bin by the last arc.

>>3786602
>pedophile crying over scholars and trying to demean them
I? Cachinnate.

>>3786485
Arise is blatantly unfinished to meet a deadline and it shows in the second half when it becomes incredibly rushed. I dont think its particularly hard to fix the flaws with Arise.
>>3786675
>Abyss and Symphonia are the only games with good story
At least you didnt include Vesperia in the mix

>>3786712
Because Vesperia's story is mediocre, hell i'd say the characters and their chemistry aren't that good either compared to Abyss, Berseria, Graces, Hearts, and Crestoria.
Gameplay and the sheer contents of the game are the good things about it.
Also Estelle and Rita i guess.

>>3786721
The reason I brought up Vesperia is because that was the only game missing from the commonly accepted "good" writing group.

>>3786712
>I dont think its particularly hard to fix the flaws with Arise.
They just need to extend the Lenegis and Rena arc, the story won't be magically fixed but without rewriting everything at least everything becomes tolerable.
And the gameplay man, fucking hell personally i was so frustrated with how retarded the devs decide to make it hard to stagger enemies, not just the bosses, THE REGULAR ENEMIES. I was frustrated that i couldn't enjoy playing Law who is supposed to be my favourite archetype.
They should've make it like previous games where the bosses are staggerable but for a short time and shorten all the long ass unnecessary animations.
Seriously, on paper, Arise had the potential to be as good as Destiny DC but they just had to focus on the stupid special moves mechanic.

>>3786721
>hell i'd say the characters and their chemistry aren't that good either
>Abyss, Graces,
lmao you've got to be joking if those are your examples. Abyss smacks you over the head with Luke is an asshole and then Luke is a doormat. What fucking chemistry is there? Graces lacks chemistry not a single moment was dwelt on and every time the game seemed like it was going somewhere some bullshit happened like Cheria being kidnapped to repair her relationship with Asbel or Asbel not having to deal with getting kicked out since Richard came calling immediately afterward. Haven't played the rest but they're probably the same judging by the crap you spouted about Abyss and Graces

>>3786739
>The reason I brought up Vesperia is because that was the only game missing from the commonly accepted "good" writing group.
What are you on about? Vesperia is shilled as the greatest Tales game.

>>3786746
Arise enemies are clearly divided between regular, minibosses and bosses. The weaker enemies do respect stagger and you're encouraged to build long combos to quickly fill up boost strike to nuke em. The minibosses, usually ask you use the correct call move (or spam Alphen) to be more tolerable and might stagger once they're hit. The bosses (and recycled ones) are obnoxious since its basically spam Alphen/Rinwell calls or get fucked.

>>3786755
That's my point. A lot of people say that Vesperia has good writing because Yuri stabbed a couple people.

>>3786770
And a lot of people say Abyss has good writing because of some half assed "character development"

>>3786781
>Luke's character development
I'm pretty sure that's not the primary thing people praise Abyss for.

>>3786791
Abyss discussion boils down to that moment so yes it is.

The problem with vesperia is that important story beats are locked behind missable side quests

>>3786445
>>3786458
>>3786485
>>3786547
Symphonia and Vesperia had trash stories. Abyss and Berseria had good ones.
Cope. Seethe. Dilate.

>>3786471
>10 enemy models + color swaps
>besides Kisara, the rest of characters can't defend
>AI for the party instead of dedicated for every character like all the games since...Phantasia
>bosses can't be juggled
>damage sponges
>CP items cost 10x the usual
>minimalistic garbage UI
You're right, it's not dogshit, it's full trash for retarded tourists like you

>>3786836
>bosses can't be juggled
So like all the other games aside from Hearts R?

>>3786755
It's shilled because of the aesthetic, content and endgame gameplay. Nobody besides Team Symphonia shills or people that played Vesperia first care about Vesperia's story. Even the shills prefer Symphonia and Abyss stories.

>>3786869
People shit on the Adephagos arc but Vesperia has a lot of people praising it for Yuri.

>>3786853
Wrong and you never played a Tales game aside from Arise, dilate.

>>3786881
Saying Yuri carries the game is not praising the story.

>>3786889
>Dude Vesperia is the best ever because Yuri is a mature protagonist who kills people unlike those childish JRPG heroes
And dont get me started on the flak you used to get in these threads (and the /v/ counterparts) if you complained about Vesperia feeling aimless because defenders would leap to its defense by saying its like a fun dnd campaign or whatever they'd pull out of their ass.

>>3786926
I felt the same. Vesperia's story is super low stakes and boring most of the time. Doesn't help that the villains are trash.
The Aque Blastia arc could easily fit in a Trails game.

>>3786820
>Berseria
>Good
Biggest cope. ITT

>>3786963
Better story than Vesperia, Destiny R, Graces f, Phantasia, Rebirth, Eternia, Hearts, Innocence, Legendia, Zestiria or Arise. Seethe, dilate.

>>3786885
You're the one who's never played any Tales games, fucking brainded monkey. The bosses in all previous games can only be comboed for a short period of time until they go immune, you can't juggle them as you like like you'd do to regular enemies and it's even worse in Xillia 1.
Only in Hearts R where you can freely juggle bosses to death provided you can counter their attacks.
Never thought the biggest Arise hater here never actually played any of the games lmao, you don't even try to watch the gameplay videos.

>>3786970
We don't describe our actions at the end of the post here, anon

>>3787033
Shut up,retarded gorilla
https://youtu.be/WOWUTndbw34?feature=shared
You never played a Tales game and is talking from your ass like every Arise secondary, tourist, fake fan out there.
Congrats for outing yourself.

>>3786836
You're right they can't defend, they were given an actual useful defensive action
Not that you can process it since you're too retarded to build the team correctly

>>3787085
You're one Arise secondary, fake fan, casual and retarded. Seethe, dilate.

>>3787083
>ESL melty
Typical arisehater behavior

>>3787092
https://youtu.be/dzxgEkZAoyE?feature=shared
Seethe and dilate, Arise tourist.

>berseriabitch melty
day that ends in y

>Can't even prove Arise had good something good besides the graphics
Keep dilating, tourists will never not be amusing

>ANYONE WHO CALLS OUT THE SHIT GAME FOR BEING SHIT IS A FAKE FAN TOURIST
Average Berseriaslopper, ladies and gents

>>3787108
Better gameplay than homoseria

>>3786836
Half of these points apply to Berseria

>>3787117
Thank godness nobody ever defended Berseria's combat in the thread?

>>3787128
Yeah because it sucks unlike arise

>>3787128
I like it
The equipment system though is garbage.

>>3787122
Nope. Also good luck pretending anyone defended Berseria's gameplay in the thread. Zestiria and Berseria' combat being trash doesn't make Arise's CP, low enemy variety and bosses less horrible.

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pF1vS4rRey0&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
Leaked footage of BITCHseria's combat designer

>>3787083
>Juggling with teammates helping
Doesn't coun't, it's just like having Alphen spamming his flaming swords to down the bosses.
Also, Destiny DC doesn't allow you to simply juggle bosses (and enemies) for free, you have to hit their weaknesses first.
Maybe i did suck at Destiny DC in particular when i played it but i remember it being a nightmare to fight against the scientist woman with a shitton of lasers and Miktran due to how hard it was to stagger them.
Oh yeah i do play the game unlike you.

>>3787135
nah da2 has good combat

Berseria has shit combat, shit graphics, mid soundtrack, shit plot, mid characters

Brown clowns like berseria because it's the only game their favelaptops can run

>>3787135
BERSERIASISTERS COVER ME WHILE I CHANGE MY AWESOME BUTTONS TO COUNTER THIS POST

i like abyss

>>3787163
Mithos.....

>>3787083
Enemies in DC absolutely will tech out during your first playthrough. Part 2's bosses and Miktran Excessive are absolute aids because they have nasty counters and/or spam adds.

>>3787144
No, Irene/Ilene is one of the hardest bosses in the game. Same for Miktran.

>>3787144
>WAH WAH WAH doesn't count
It's possible to do the same in Abyss, Vesperia, Xillia, Xillia 2, Innocence R, Hearts and Hearts R.
Seethe. Dilate. Arise fans = tourists. Every one of them.

Reminder this was described as "healthy debate" earlier.

>>3787163
>No one in the thread talking about specs or third world countries
>Mandatory mixed gorilla from third world trashcan enters the discussion, starts talking about "favelas" and pretends Arise is a high spec game
lol

>>3787201
>Abyss
Impossible due to limited artes and shitty core system locking you out of super chains
>Vesperia
Bosses tech out after you land like 3-4 artes
>Xillia aka Hyper Armor : The Game
Are you serious, it's almost as bad as Arise
>Xillia 2
Better than X1 but bosses still tech out like Vesperia
>Innocence R
Haven't played so i don't know
>Hearts R
Yeah you can actually do it thanks to the counter mechanic
I'm not even defending Arise but you're just being too much of a schizo about it it's so funny

Not gonna lie, combat is the only thing that improved in latest Tales, I have no idea how you guys keep playing anything after Abyss or Vesperia with how low budget and mid to bad Xillia, Zestiria Berseria were.

>>3787215
Xillias while being low budget still have fun gameplay, better than Arise. Berseria i'd say is at the same tier as Arise with better characters and story but worse gameplay.
Zestiria is just awful.

>>3787214
>Abyss
FOF let you juggle enemies. Capacity core's are irrelevant to combat, only serve to unlock Skills and get stats.
>Vesperia
So, it works
>Xillia
Still works
>Xillia 2
>>3787096

>>3787214
Innocence R has counters too, Arise still mogs Berseria

>>3787210
>Mandatory mixed gorilla
But enough about Berseria fans

>>3787210
arise isn't a high spec game and yet the average berseriatard is too poor to play it

>>3787222
>So, it works
It fucking doesn't anon, i don't know how you played it but fighting Gaius, Victor, Flynn, etc. i never had the chance to comfortably land a lot of my artes before they retaliate.

>>3787206
sadly the berseriabitch had a melty
he couldn't handle the arisescholars and their trvkes

>>3787222
>capacity cores are irrelevant to combat
They influence stat growth and provide a number of skills that modify your combo options and basic shit like movement. How the fuck can you say that they're irrelevant to combat????

>>3787222
>Capacity core's are irrelevant to combat,
genuine tourist

>>3787222
>Xillia
>The game that was heavily derided for bosses that constantly tech out every ~10 hits on release
I cannot wait for them to remaster that duology just so I can see even bigger seething than with Graces.

>>3787253
More like 4 hits to the exclamation

Peak Mithos was the strongest antagonist
Discuss

>>3787256
It's either Shizel or Bisley or Ludger

>>3787262
But peakthos has La Espada

>>3787262
What about Fortuna? She was going to erase the universe

>>3787265
I'm just a filthy EOP anon, i can't comment to that

>>3787268
It's okay anon, you'll discover it in 4 years when Lumina Tales releases the patch

More love for evil girls please!

>>3787274
Yes.

>>3787274
>Bertin

https://youtu.be/pVdj6Gf8Pl4?si=Ksu7AKLt5BfIpNCP
Tales of !

>>3787279
>2 artes
>Boss techs out and gets ready to break Milla's tight ass

>>3787279
>veghester is there
holy fuck lmaoooooo

>Alvin fucked this.
>Elise tried to fuck Alvin.
>Alvin will probably fuck and impregnate Leia.
Tell me how is possibile not to hate that man.

>>3787284
Notice how that NEVER happens to KING Ludger

>>3787292
Jude topped him and left him the sloppy used seconds

>>3787292
No, fuck you, fuck you
I will never approve Leia with that asshole

why the hate at Jude true friend???

We really need IP counter back

>>3787304
To see the Trailsbitches and their 5 IP threads maybe

>>3787293
Xillia 2 is a completely different beast where bosses tech out less because players complained about X1.

>>3787252
Keep seething. Stats and skill gains will never influence the mechanics and physics of the combat itself.

>>3787320
>skills will never influence combat
Leats retarded berseriabitch

>>3787320
it's not too late anon
You post is still erasable

>>3787322
Skill gains =/= Skill themselves
Not that you played anything besides Arise. Capacity Core discussion is also irrelevant to metagame when the all Skills are unlocked. You can have Tutti, any high level Capacity Core or just carry them over from previous saves.

>>3787327
>uhhh dude it doesn't matter when you've already done everything in the game
Retarded tourist BITCH......

>>3787328
Yeah, and Arise combat still sucks after all that because
>>3786836
Keep seething and dilating. Arise will always be trash for tourists and casual like you.

>>3787327
>Skill themselves
Skill yourself ESL mongoloid, boot up duolingo and come back when you can speak English

Tales of Hebephillia

>>3787331
Arise controls better than Abyss

>abyss
>the free run meme game
>the fof game
>the 5 centuries of endlag game

>>3787332
Be a proper gentleman and avoid using this overused buzzword to win an argument / avoid an argument. You can do this. I believe in you. Even Napoleon had terrible english and he conquer half the world back in the day.

>>3787332
>WAH WAH WAH gonna cry because you're not using perfect grammar in a casual discussion since I can't deflect anything you said
Seethe. Dilate. Arise fans = tourists and casuals. Trash like you.

>>3787340
>BOOOHOOO I CANT RALK BECAUSE IM TOO RETARED, BARSERIA GUD!!!!
Back to twitter with you touristbitch

>>3787341
not that anon but my god you such a child.

>bereseriabitches need to hide behind the rest of the franchise because their game is so shit
sad

>>3787335
And it's still a worse game in everything besides graphics, somehow. Oh, I guess Free Run works on it. Something already fixed in Innocence DS. And 10 games later. Amazing.

Oh so the one who spammed this thread are the shitposters from /v/

As always
- Ignore
- Hide
- Report

It works most of the time

>>3787346
It has better combat and progression design

>>3787341
Better than Arise. Cope.Seethe.Dilate.
So is Abyss and the rest of the series.
Too bad only Abyss and Berseria has above average writing.

>>3787350
Nope, berseria is trash next to Arise

>>3787344
says the toddler

>>3787387
this endless string of childish replies proves you are one. Shut down that internet and go back to class. Do not skip school. Education up to High school are mandatory.

>>3787396
Imagine saying this and not even being able to speak proper English. Take your own advice, sissy bottom bitch.

>>3787350
Legendia has pretty great writing (it has other problems tho)

>>3787400
I dont really care. At least im able to speak 2 languages. se antíthesi me eséna, boreís na milíseis 2 glósses??

>>3787405
So can I. And I'm actually able to speak both properly. Get on your knees.

>>3787418
hahahaha you truly a child
next you gonna say to me you able to pilot a plane
next you gonan say your dad works for nindendo
cmon boya grow up a bit. Seeing that kind of shit for far too long now. You kids needs to came up with something new

>>3787376
Arise is trash compared to anything besides Tempest, Legendia and Dawn of the New World. Dilate.

People don't remember how bad Xillia was. Or are nostalgic (99%). Or just care about combat. Or just hate the series.
Alvin betrays the party every 2hrs, Jude is Milla's simp and Leia is Jude's simp, Elise and Rowen are just there to help in fights, characters had littlr to no motivation and the game had no content, being the only mainline (before they called everything "originals") with no cameos besides Legendia and Phantasia Snes, all fields are shameless copy/paste, almost nothing changes between the two routes.
It's the Pokémon Sword & Shield of Tales. It was THAT bad.

How do they pump out so many games in a short period of time like that?

>>3787436
There was a dedicated Studio with two teams back then and they released oursourced games as well. Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperia were Team Symphonia while Destiny 2, Rebirth, Destiny R and Graces were Team Destiny. Legendia was Tekken's Team. Innocence DS was Matrix. Innocence R and Hearts R were 7th Chord, etc.
Since Xillia they disbanded the Tales Studio and absorbed the people from the teams.

>>3787446
>Innocence DS was Matrix.
Innocence DS was Alfa System. Same people who did NariDun 2 and 3 and the Radiant Mythology series. The only work Matrix did on Tales was Tales of Vs

>>3787333
Edna isn't even a hebe
She's older in Zestria than Eizen is in Berseria.

>>3787466
Her physical age is 14

>>3787435
>People don't remember how bad Xillia was. Or are nostalgic (99%). Or just care about combat. Or just hate the series.
Wow that's a lot of strawmen you got there

>>3787435
Rebirth had no Cameo Fight either. That said, the game is pretty long and 2-D games don't need stuff like costumes, etc. Only Narikiri Dungeon X had them if I'm not mistaken.
Xillia was just awful and Xillia 2 is worse somehow, except for combat that is improved.

ESL thread

>>3787435
>>3787570
Innocence DS has no fights either

https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Cameo_Boss_Battles

>>3787425
>ESL babble
What a sad mutt.

>>3787428
Why did you list 4 games better than Berseria?

>>3787684
>muh ESL babble
you're a child. Come up with better buzzword next time

>>3787723
>can't even defend his ESL babble
lmao, check out this BITCH!

>berseriafags are trying to sneak it into the good story list
lol

>>3787729
I admit my grammar isnt perfect, but cmon dude, anyone does. None of us have A+ on english here, even as a Native.

Grow up

You people just replying to spammer all this time. Hes spamming on wide range of boards

- Hes ruining Touhou thread by posting CP
- Hes ruining Vocaloid thread by posting Teto and CP
- Seen on Blue Archive as well.

Just ignore and report. He will go away. The retard is lost cause

>>3787750
>Rando ESL obsessed with a schizo
>Posts on touhou, vocaloid, and blue archive threads
holy SEAmonkey moment

3787753

>>3787570
Hearts is the only game with two different cameo fights depending on version

>>3787749
>None of us have A+ on english here,
I do. Sorry to hear you're retarded.

>>3787750
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fregoli_delusion

>>3787818
Prove it. Post your certificate

What if Colette got raped by Mithos

>certificate
>>>>>>certificate
out at SEA

>halfway through in a week
Alive series

>Decade on school
>Another decade on College
>He didnt get a certificate
Lol a dropout loser, no wonder youre here shitposting on this virtually dead thread on dead board.

>>3787831
>SEAmonkey babble
>Denying the livelihood of this franchise and thread
G. Remove him.

hmmmm yes land of the free

>>3787834
You just shitposting my manchild friend. You didnt even play Tales except a fucking Arise, which is not a Tales game to begin with,

>>3787835
Where did you get this footage of the Trails threads

>>3787836
I've played every game in the franchise, mentally impaired toddler. I simply cachinnate at your mental unwelness and projection.

>>3787831
>seamonkey posts his life story unprompted
haha

>>3787839
Name what Sophie learn if you have Richard in your party. You have 60 seconds. Go

>>3787835
Where did you get this footage of my house?

>>3787841
That he is okay now.

>>3787846
Its "Rapier Trainee" You retard
You failed. You just shitposting here. Fuck off

>>3787847
>cannot understand sovl
Poor retarded little SEAmonkey...

>>3787841
name Stahn's original ultimate move US, you have 30 seconds

>>3787842
K, b, c

>>3787839
>cachinnate at your mental unwelness and projection.
ESL

>>3787853
Nothing ESL in that sentence, mutt.

>half an hour
>still no reply
Who would have thought that the seamonkey calling others fake fans was the actual fake fan

>>3787859
ESL

>the ESL mutt has been mindbroken and turned into a broken record
Just another day in the halls.

>another thread ruined by berseriatrannies having a melty

>That reply chain
>That obvious samefagging
>That obvious screeching
You clearly same troll who trolling Touhou and Vocaloid lol. Get a life.

>>3787867
ESL

>free (You)s from a seething mutt

>>3787872
>u clearly same troll who mogging my trannoid obsessions!!!!!
Obsessed little BITCH......

>>3787881
Wheres your Teto picture, nigger ? Next you gonna butthurt so hard you spam CP

>>3787877
ESL

>>3787884
Literally what are you talking about, mutt?

>>3787887
ESL

>>3787887
Fuck off already, nigger

I order you to give me more (You)s, little BITCH!

>>3787889
>incoherent babbling in lieu of a reply
Average touhoutranny.

>1 reply followed by the most obvious samefag
Lol i was right

>>3787891
See ? Your mask already starting to crack off lol.
Say the line already. Next you will spam CP. Go on, do it, nigger.

>>3787892
only obvious thing here is that you're butthurt, ritacunt
take your shitty animus and go be upset elsewhere

>>3787894
You literally on Anime website, tetonigger.
Miku still won by the way. Good luck pushing your AI synth crap who gonna get irrelevant in a year

>>3787893
Why are you begging me to spam that, you disgusting mutt? Why are you so desperate? You're genuine scum.

>>3787897
ESL

>>3787897
Running ot of VPN already ? LMAO

>>3787896
difference between anime and your animuslop
also what the fuck are you talking about

>>3787901
ESL

>thread derrailed by a pedophilic seamonkey with fregoli delusions
every thread on every board

>>3787901
lmao you just as retarded and obvious on the touhou and vocaloid thread. Turn off that Internet and actually PLAY VIDEOGAMES

>>3787902
ednapedo......

>>3787905
Dumb little SEAmonkey, I don't care to know where your trannyslop gatherings occur. You are genuinely suffering from Fregoli Syndrome. Get help.

>>3787908
ESL

>>3787908
>buzzword buzzword
You truly a retard.

>>3787910
>everything I don't understand is a buzzword
Such is life in the world of the mentally impaired, I suppose.

>all this because a vocaloid pedophile needs to be the center of attention
Always knew Ritaposters were garbage
Karol team

>>3787916
>>3787915
Samefag desperate of attention

dead series

>>3787921
>>3787925
mentally ill samefag projecting

>>3787921
Nobody asked for your credentials though?

all this because berseriafags couldn't accept their shit game was shit

And yet you keep respond. Heres the pity (You) you want, >>3787934

>>3787953
>it's an esl
Not surprising

>>3787960
>it's an
Ironic ESL

>>3787961
how do you say "e" dumbass

>>3787963
Missed a capitalization there, ESL.

>>3787964
nah, only thing I missed was your mom's pussy which is why I fucked her in the ass

>>3787996
Running out of buzzword eh ? Try again

Xillia killed Tales
Zestiria raped the corpse
Arise cooked what was left and shared among the slop eaters

>>3788006
>he said, pushing through the tears

>>3788007
Oops forgot to mention Tales stands for Tales of Berseria

>>3788008
You need to train your ChatGPT more. Its getting boring

>>3788012
>he said, reaching for his ai buzzwords amidst the tears

>>3788014
Youre literally copying my words ahahahaha what a clown.

>>3788015
>he is delusional enough to believe he posseses ownership over linguistic expressional segments
G. Bag this moeshitter pedophile. NOW.

>>3788020
Speak with proper sentence, ESL. We dont niggerspeak here

>>3788021
>ESL babble
Take your own advice.

Berseriafags lost more than Arisefags did

>>3788037
us innocenceCHADS stay winning

>>3788032
Since you're retarded moron who shitposting this Tales thread for like, 3 threads already (Tales thread isnt always this fast) and i dont have time to waste to a retard, im gonna reply your post with automatic reply instead

"Octopuses have three hearts. Bananas are berries, but strawberries aren’t. Honey never spoils. Wombats poop cubes"

>>3788040
>shitposting is when people talk
why are you esls always retarded

>>3788041
A day on Venus is longer than a year. Cows have best friends. Sea otters hold hands while sleeping.

>IESLB
Typical behavior of faggots obsessed with forcing "dead thread" memes

>>3788041

Babbling "muh ESL" when losing an argument is not a discussion. You doing this on this thread and on previous thread as well

>>3788044
i'm not losing an argument though? i just made one post and you're already mindbroken

>>3788043
Sharks predate trees. Bees can recognize human faces. Cleopatra lived closer to the moon landing than to the pyramids.

>>3788048
Sloths can hold their breath longer than dolphins. Apples float on water. A sneeze travels at 100 mph.

>>3788048
It's a projecting phoneBITCH. He's been seething over thread activity for an entire day. Ignore his seething.

>>3788054
>>3788048
Meet Bob, the aspiring chameleon: Monday, he's a philosopher; Tuesday, a stand-up comedian; Wednesday, an undercover spy.

>>3788057
do you need an ambulance

>>3787822
If?

>>3788059
Wombats have a “backward” pouch. A jiffy is 1/100th of a second. You can’t hum while holding your nose.

Thoughts on Shizel

>>3788009
>faggot got so assblasted by Berseria posting that he thinks everybody cares about the game
sad

>>3788092
Nice tits
Awful hat

>berseriatrannies are STILL crying
YWNBAW

I like Berseria

What exactly does Luck do in Innocence R?

>>3788363
It affects crit rate, status effect chance, steal chance, item drop chance (from enemies killed by the specific character), and auto guard chance

Tales should use more concepts like Swordians, reincarnation, valkiness, sound particles or spirunes/spirmazes in their stories/world building instead of spirits again.
The stories of Destiny, Innocence, Hearts and Graces are far from the best (Abyss is good) in the series but recycling spirits from Aselia games or making spirits the solution to all problems get old FAST.

>>3788395
I think Legendia and Vesperia were ok in that regard. Legendia is not a story about spirits at all...for 99% of it. The Legacy, ferines, orerines, Nerifes, Schwartz and the characters fighting agains their own shadows are the story of Legendia.
The final revelation is that the world is, secretly, dying and the seeds were Grune's final gift to the world, but honestly? Its literally told 5 minutes before the end, and characters spend the whole game doing something else.
For Vesperia, spirits are merely alternate forms to Entelexeia/another race of people. Not omniscient and omnipotent beings that always existed like Phantasia/Eternia/Symphonia/Rebirth/Xillia/Xillia 2.
I think in Arise, the spirits worked similar to Abyss' aggregate sentients? Like, they are fundametal particles of the nature, and become sentient when too much of them gather? Besides the final boss, I wouldn't say it's the focus of the story either, it's also similar to Graces in that regard, where the Fodra Queen is actually the last boss of F arc, but spirits remain unseen for the rest of the main story.

>>3788269
rough buddy

Do not reply to the schizo. Even if they seems to discuss about the game, a schizo still a schizo. They are terminally online and they have no friends in real life.

>>3788407
the spirits aren't omniscient and omnipotent or close to it

>>3788592
Are you talking about yourself

>>3786820
Symphonia had good characters and story. So did Eternia it's probably my favorite storywise

>>3788407
Spirits have never been that strong in any of the games. The very first spirit interaction in the series was sealing off miasma from the underworld because they were driving the Sylphs insane.

>>3787951
except Zesteria exsists

>>3788646
>Symphonia had good characters

some of them sucked hard, like this entitled millennial that only cared for other people if he could benefit from it

>>3788654
Zestiria fans admit that their game is shit, their disagreement is where it went wrong, and how it could be fixed.

>>3788679
The Mary Sue named Rose is the big problem, removing her is a big first step in fixing that mess.

Is the Great Astral Spirit just Shadow?

>>3788738
It would make sense considering that Dark is the only element that's unique to Rena.

>>3788659
>Super jaded chosen one that hates his role
>Would do anything to avoid his responsibility
>Hides behind several layers of sarcasm
>Possibly womanizes as a form of escapism
>Still tries to lift the spirits of the group cause that's what he's good at even if he has to play the fool
>Possibly comes around because of Lloyd's idealism and insight
>Acts as a foil to Colette/the general heroine that needs protection
He works really well. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a bad character.

>>3788689
is your favorite character alisha by any chance?

Do you buy upgrades at every instance or do you only buy every other one? Which game got you to change your habits?

>>3788859
Only for characters currently in battles. Unless equipment is cheap.

>Not a super fan of Kongwei because he's so blatantly a remake addon that it feels corny
>But his moveset requires you to basically drag him along in your party during dungeon crawls as he has to get hit by spells

>>3788859
I tend to buy because 1 - gotta fill out that collector’s book, and 2 - a lot of games have material benefits (skills, elemental weapons, etc.) to owning as many weapons as you can. Armour’s usually less important - probably not going to upgrade the whole team, but i’d still like to get at least 1 of everything if I can do so

>>3788689
Rose’s issue is the fact that her story was poorly explained and they were way too lazy to make a younger model for her. Not helped by the lack of a heroine.

>>3788754
>>Still tries to lift the spirits of the group

hitting on Sheena after her pet died is not "lifting the spirits" and branded him as "unlikable asshole" for the rest of the game

>>3788853
my favorite character in Zesteria is irrelevant to how bad Rose is as a character

>>3788948
>Not helped by the lack of a heroine.

Alisha was pushed as the heroine

>>3789067
Mikleo is the closest thing to a heroine in Zestiria.

>>3789067
By complete accident mind you, because the devs are retarded. Narrative wise Mikleo was the heroine, as according to the devs there isn't an actual heroine but they still thought that it would be a great idea to rug pull the player with a fake heroine. They didn't realize that it was a bad idea as the heroine is what helps to sell the game and Baba was too busy doing god knows what to do his job as producer and tard wrangle them.

>>3788853
My favourite is Lailah
Her VA is great, Carrie Keranen is usually the best in every work she’s in.

>>3789083
>as according to the devs there isn't an actual heroine

and yet they didn't tell the marketing team that because everything, including gachas said that Alisha was the heroine.

>and Baba was too busy doing god knows what
trying to dick down Rose's VA

>>3789092
>and yet they didn't tell the marketing team that because everything, including gachas said that Alisha was the heroine.
No they didn't, which is why things got out of hand. Fun fact, the va for Alisha knew from the start that she was voicing a side character and even called Alisha as such many times people just didn't take her seriously when she did it. In fact everyone who worked with the devs called her a side character but people didn't believe them.

>trying to dick down Rose's VA
There is actually zero evidence thar these two ever spoke. The rumor was just that a rumor with no evidence not even circumstantial.

>>3789098
>No they didn't

except they did. Hell, it was in a gacha that featured Sorey and Alisha before Zesteria came out.

They had to patch Alisha's description to go from "Heroine of Zesteria" to "Premiered in Zesteria"

>Playing Innocence R on the vita emu
>The thing randomly decides to crash in the middle of a dungeon
Fucking hell.

>>3789100
Anon that's that I'm saying they didn't communicate with the marketing team which is why everyone who wasn't working with the devs didn't know that Alisha was a side character

>>3789117
and is that the fault of the player if they were lead to believe to Alisha is the main heroine and the game pulled a MGS2 on us?

>>3788407
Spirits aren't that strong. The best ones are Chronos with his universe making and time stuff and Origin with reality warping and making items with that power (and scaling).

>>3789127
Dumbass no one is blaming the player

>>3789117
The Asteria team couldn't fathom that a 4* Yuri was to exist so whoever made the picture just put 5* on sight. They didn't communicate well in general.

>>3789100
>>Zesteria
It's Zestiria you dumb troglodyte niggerino

>>3789117
That's what Baba said, but do you honestly believe that? I surely don't, lmao. Alisha literally got one expensive figure before the release of the game while Rose never got one. She is also the focus of the anime in the first half.
I don't hate Baba, he is envolved in Destiny R, Graces f, Hearts and Xillia 2, but that excuse is weird as fuck.

Ludger solos the nasuverse

>>3789365
be a better game I would learn how to spell it properly.

We're getting an Eternia remake and Gamecube Symphonia port

>>378940
Reid is the strongest Tales MC. He literally gets god powers

>>3789416
So does anyone with the Eternal Sword or Chromatus or Reborn or Milla

>>3789423
>So does anyone with the Eternal Sword or Chromatus or Reborn or Milla
Those aren't literal god powers that are inherent

>>3789425
Reid's aren't inherent either, anyone can get them with the trials

>>3789425
they are literal god powers
the eternal sword can be summoned
the watch can be summoned
the others are part of oneself

>>3789416
Anon...your quoted number.........

>>3789426
>Reid's aren't inherent either
They are. He's one of the few people with Fibrill

>>3789452
Still not more inherent than any of the others

senel no-diffs umineko and smt at the same time

>>3789403
This is probably true.
>>3789470
This is undeniably true.

Natural born strongest MCs are Luke and Ruca. Other characters use accessories, special weapons or are inherited.

>>3789372
No, it wasn't Baba who first said it but the head writer and director. Baba only stared to repeat them later on but from various interviews it's clear that Baba had fuck all to do with Zestiria's development. Everyone who worked on the game has consistently called Alisha a side character, even her own va and character designer.

>b- but the figurine
The figurine would have been the fault of the marketing team as they would also be in charge of merchandising.

>b- but the anime
Ufotable president flat out stated that the anime was made to be different from the game because they thought that Alisha was more popular and that would equate to higher sales. The plot however was created solely for the anime and was never in the game. In fact, the character designer stated that the anime was the first time that he has ever designed an armatus for Alisha.

>>3789604
>Everyone who worked on the game has consistently called Alisha a side character

then why wasn't this relayed to the public instead of being okay stringing people along like it's MGS2 all over again?

>>3789607
They did, multiple times even, but it was ignored. While the public can't be faulted for the initial mistake and confusion. Making up a conspiracy theory and ignoring the devs everytime they say anything that is contrary to said conspiracy theory, (which was every dev interview because they've consistently been calling Alisha a side character since the beginning) and then spreading that misinformation is something that the fanbase or rather Alishafags specifically are guilty of.

Hell, I remember some nip Alishafags had a meltdown when Ufotable president confirmed that Alisha wasn't even designed to be a permanent party member nevermind heroine, and the actual nip Talesfags getting annoyed at them after it was confirmed for the upteenth time that it was a case of marketing making a mistake. And then having Asteria reconfirm that she isn't the heroine by retelling the Zestiria story without both Alisha and Rose and for that retelling to be better in every way.

>>3789660
>They did, multiple times even

if they did, they did a piss poor job getting the word out there, most importantly the with the marketing team and/or Baba before the game came out.

if anything the conspiracy is the people "oh, this was a known fact all along but they failed to make it public"

>>3789686
Again they said it in every interview where it was brought up, and every guidebook where ever went into the development of the game. The fact that Alishafags went out of their way to ignore it for years and then actively used to spread misinformation while also insisting that every dev interview where they explained the issue was totally just them covering up the truth because it didn't fit the narrative that Alishafags were pushing isn't their fault.

The fact that people only started and look back at those interviews after the Alishafags got exactly what they wanted yet somehow it wound up being worse than the game itself. For Alishafags to claim that she's heroine material only for her to completely fail at the role by being boring.

>>3789742
and what part of "it was never made mainstream" are you NOT getting?

If anything, you are trying to cook up a conspiracy that this was well known internally but was intentionally kept out of the public knowledge.

>>3789535
Cripple Milla destroys these 2.

>>3789750
NTA but he's trying to say that they were saying the correct thing the entire time but no one was remotely interested in listening because it was easier to say that Alisha being robbed was the primary reason that Zestiria feels so off and not just it being poorly managed in general.

>>3789784
and what part of "they didn't stress that BEFORE THE GAME CAME OUT" are you not getting?

>>3789792
Is it so hard for you to understand that Baba being an incompetent director is the primary reason why this shit show happened and its not out of intentional malice?

god, Zesteria whiteknights are about as moronic as Dragon Quarter "defenders"

>>3789798
DQ is good tho

>>3789798
No one in this thread is calling Zestiria good. Please read the discussion again.

>>3789799
>the BoF game that fucks you over for using Dragon Mode
>good

>>3789800
they are defending the shit/false marketing of the game

>>3789801
Yes. Good

>>3789801
>Zestiria's marketing was a result of Baba being an incompetent fuck up
Is not defending it the slightest. If the marketing was intentional then he'd still be in charge of Tales instead of being shit canned.

>>3789807
he knew the truth about the Heroine of Zesteria and said/did NOTHING to change the narrative in the press to the actual stuff instead of misleading us with Alisha

>>3789809
>was a result of Baba being an incompetent fuck up
are we going to beat this dead horse?

>>3789758
she can barely fight without the four, keep crying

>>3789801
>they are defending the shit/false marketing of the game
No one is defending the marketing they are saying that it was a genuine mistake that retards then took too far.

>>3789809
He didn't know which is why he's incompetent. Baba is in charge of marketing a the head producer but he didn't keep track of his own project, which is amazingly incompetent.

>>3789811
NTA but Baba got basic information about Zestiria wrong multiple times in his interviews and got caught. After which he started parroting the director and producer whose interviews have always been consistent but they consistent with Baba's interviews.

>>3789861
*consistent with the game but were never consistent with Baba's interviews.

I wonder who was the worse director for a major title, Baba for Zesteria or Tabata for FFXV

>>3789867
Baba wasn't the director for Zestiria, he was the head producer he was the

How did you setup your Rave skills?

>>3789894
Damn. Going for the tits is one thing but ass-shaming?
She got hank hilled

>>3789867
Baba was usually the producer, but let's see what games both were envolved
>Tabata
FFXV
Type-0
3rd Birthday
Crisis Core
>Baba
Destiny R
Innocence
Hearts
Graces F
Eternal Sonata
Xillia
Xillia 2
Zestiria

>>3789919
>FFXV
early access trainwreck with one button conbat

>Type-0
too many party members (and 0 backrow EXP), controls gimped by being on the PSP and not fixed for HD edition, and mandatory NG+ for the actual ending

>Parasite Eve 3rd Birthday
What the fuck? This did more damage to the PE brand than what Other M did to the Metroid brand or Dragon Quarter did to the BoF brand.

>Crisis Core
the best of the bunch but suffered from Prequel Syndrome

also all the games ended with every player character dying (12 of 14 of them in Type 0's case)

>>3789822
>Luke
Has panic attacks when powerless goons approach him

>Ruca
Has mental breakdown when granny asks to help cross the road

Natural born pussies.

>>3789470
Both of those are parodic fodder verses, umineko is literally some schizo's imagination and the smt yvhv literally needed a big gun to threaten the planet

>>3789535
Emil

>>3789894
Man i felt the burn.

>>3789919
>>3789925
Tabata is almost a crook, you can see how after leaving square has been working on NFT and with an almost 10 years vaporware.
But also a problem is that all his work has been with Nakazawa as battle director (which seems to like more the ff8 gimmicks) while many works like CC(that try to combine ff7 and KH) and FFXV(versus felt more like KH spiritual successor meet FF10 ) turns into a mess combat wise.Also nobody has 3rd birthday fault, it was a mobile game with an small team and they quickly bough people from both 13-2 and type 0 team to quickly finish it.
Baba has Destiny team for most part

>Yumia collab to get Asbel's costume for the MC
>this
The absolute state of this series I had enjoyed (before Xillia)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENWycY4Plc

>>3790167
>and FFXV(versus felt more like KH spiritual successor meet FF10 ) turns into a mess combat wise

because Tabata wanted 15 to be casual as fuck, which is why it's Hold O to win, even in the DLCs

>>3790171
always knew rimuru was weaker than base Alphen

>>3790171
Kek, SHITmuru is begging Alphen for help

>>3790167
Yeah, he definitely is the worse by a huge margin

>Innocence R is the more complete game
>But the one working emulator for Vita has a glitch with it where it'll just randomly crash at the end of battles meaning that there's a non zero chance that it'll set you back

>>3789968
Gosh dang to heck the attempts at in-engine cutscenes in this game are consistently funny.

>>3790683
sovl

>>3790683
Natalia goes brrr down the mountain kek. I feel a genuine happiness seeing her slapsticked.

https://youtu.be/Ws6MoTlZLKM?si=bcsSivr80Iihxjwc
>Arise
>Combos

>>3790928
>needing to combo as the mage character

why?

>>3790928
My favorite Rinwell combo is thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field thunder field

>>3790932
You can combo with anyone. Besides, a lot of Tales games give you faster cast times if you cast other spells beforehand in you chain.
In Arise in particular, its in your best interest to do combos against mooks because that fills up the instant kill bar faster.

>>3791039
I just spammed spells until they were dead. If anything, the instant kill bar was detrimental cause it stopped my spell combo.

>>3791042
Okay? It still doesnt change the fact that you're encouraged to do combos to reduce cast times.

>>3790928
Arise would've been as good as Hearts and Destiny DC if the higher leveled enemies could be comboed

>>3790932
Comboing with the mages is fun? That’s one of the better things about Zest/Bers’s combat

>>3791276
Zest doesn't even have mages

>>3791277
So not one of Lailah, Mikleo, Edna or Dezel/Zaveid count as mages to you?

>>3791304
not really when you are basically Amatrized 24/7

>>3791306
>he played the game poorly

>>3791315
>using the main gimmick is "playing poorly"

>>3785278
Only trannies and fagots that don't like heterosexual romance hate Arise.

>>3791053
Only in the sense that you spam spells. What the combo counter says is pretty irrelevant. You can even dodge as many times as you want to keep the spell combo up.
>In Arise in particular, its in your best interest to do combos against mooks because that fills up the instant kill bar faster.
This is what I was challenging. I don't wanna do the instant kill bar. I wanna use more aoe spells to hit all of the mooks, not just one.

>>3791439
By the time you have AoEs large enough to consistently hit all of the enemies at once, you're at the part of the game where they start spamming enemies that you cant instant kill, just temporarily down.

>>3791439
Rinwell has some very strong non spell artes. You've never used any of them?

>>3791450
All the more reason that I don't wanna hit the instant kill button. Unfortunately it also replenishes two AG to keep comboing.

>>3791452
I used them a bit, but with how limited the slots for artes are, I basically never used the ground artes.

>>3791455
>I dont want to use the instant kill button when its actually helpful

>>3791477
I'm telling you how it's not helpful in many situations. I actively tried to avoid using it later on as Rinwell. It's like using your mystic arte as Rita when you have half a dozen meteor storms out. But nice reading comprehension.

>>3791562
And I'm telling you that the situation you brought up with Rinwell being able to hit everyone at once happens incredibly late in the game and is not indicative of what you're going to be putting up with for most of the time.
Arise is a very simple game. Combo > Boost (for the AP Reset, note that I'm referring to stuff like Alphen's knockdown here) and repeat until you're out or the enemy's dead. If its the last enemy, there's no reason to not use the dual arte when the meter's full. What exactly are you waiting for?
Throw in the occasional sidestep for positioning/dodging when needed.
Not to mention stuff like Thunder Field, Placid Pool, Confinement and Celestial Hammer are some of Rinwell's strongest artes.

Sure when you're at the end of the game and everyone's fully decked out then do whatever you want but what about the other 70-90% of the game when you don't have those tools?

>>3791573
>there's no reason to not use the dual arte when the meter's full.
There is one. If I use it, I have to start my combo all over from the beginning again, which makes me vulnerable to attacks. If I have a high combo, I can toss spells at whatever tries to approach me, filling the battlefield with hitboxes. I don't care if a single enemy dies, I'm here trying to crowd control as many as possible so I don't get swarmed as player 1.

>>3791578
Are you incapable of reading? If its the last enemy on the field and the boost strike can end the battle (read almost all of them) then there is literally no reason to not end the fight right there.
Please read next time.

I know the consensus in Arise isn't that good here, but is it worth the discount price on steam right now?

>>3791603
If its $20 or less then fine.

>>3791603
No

>>3791613
currently $10 by itself.
$30 if you get the Beyond the Dawn (DLC) edition

>>3791643
By all means if you really want to play it.

>>3791643
I don't think the dlc is worth the 20 extra bucks to be honest

>>3791650
it isn't

If you're planning on emulation, you're probably better off playing Innocence DS. Innocence R has a tendency to randomly crash/hang on vita3k which makes playing it tedious.

>>3791762
worked on my machine
I think I had two total crashes between Innocence R and Hearts R, around 150 hours between them

>>3791766
Two times too many compared to perfect emulation on DS. Its not like Kongwai or QQ really add anything to the plot even if QQ is a qt.

>>3791767
Innocence isn't worth playing for its plot, and the improvement to Innocence's battle system in R is massive. Plus you don't have to deal with the awful guild system.

I Love Tear Grants.

>>3791433
Only trannies and faggots care about Arise's romance, they love Disney romance and movies for the same reason. Other games did it well without being shit in everything else.

So is the next thread going to be filled by the same two fags sucking each other off again?

>>3791775
>Nerfed aerial game
>Nerfed Ilia and Ricardo
>Adds a 4th PC slot but its pretty much a fixed slot because Kongwai has to get hit by spells to have a moveset
Etc

>>3791982
Glad to know 4chan still let retards post. It's the one constant in my life I can count on.

Kongwai only learns 30 spells out of like 200+ enemies, you don't need to have him in the party all the time. I played Inno R for more than 300 hours and can't remember last time I had a crash.

I guess you're the kind of retard that also suggest Destiny PSX over DC

>>3789660
Why the fuck can you buy spears for her long after she drops off the story

>>3790683
It was a good attempt after Symphonia, playing both back to back you can see how much more involved Abyss' in-game cutscenes are are. Video related is a great example, the lil' choreography between Legretta and Jade would've been unthinkable a couple games earlier.
https://youtu.be/eam6kSwqGDE?t=7652

>>3792075
>Why the fuck can you buy spears for her long after she drops off the story

there is one bit near the end of the game where Alisha rejoins for like an hour or so before the plot takes her away from you, agaib

>>3786798
Only people that get obsessed with that part are ironically enough those filtered by it and Akzeriuth

>>3792036
>You dont need to have him in the party all the time
True, but a blind player is not going to know which enemies carry what new spells for Kongwai. His movepool is also severely gutted if you don't drag his ass around constantly which then obviously becomes a problem when you do want to use him whether in party or in the arena. Tales isnt a series that's meant for blue mages.
>Destiny DC over Destiny PSX
Lmao at that attempt at an "argument". I'm just saying that DS Emulation is more stable than Vita emulation considering that they dont even have a fix for the crash that people can get.

>>3791775
>Massive improvement
Nah, its a minor improvement at best. Where R wins over DS is the dungeon design because it had some of the worst dungeons in the series.
You dont have to engage with guilds by the way.

>>3792134
>Akzeriuth

as yes, the part where Luke got tricked into destroying a town AND YET EVERYONE GIVES HIM SHIT LIKE HE INTENTIONALLY DID IT.

and yet instantly forgive Anise getting The Pope killed.

See? What did I tell you

>>3792188
did you even play Abyss?

>no response

typical reaction from someone who uses the phrase "filtered" when confronted with legitimate criticism

>>3792176
I'm sure this has been explained to you a million times and you're just choosing not to understand it, but just in case: No one in the party blamed Luke for the incident, they only took issue with the way he reacted to it. Luke was only concerned with making sure everyone knew it wasn't his fault, he didn't care about what the party was talking about or even about the child dying in front of his eyes.

>>3792210
>No one in the party blamed Luke for the incident

their reactions say otherwise

also, how cute that you went "explained to you" like how everyone who rightfully complained about that scene is the same person.

>>3792213
The reactions that come *after* his outburst? Nobody even talks about it at first, they're discussing how they ended up there and what to do next. They're going over what exactly happened with Ion, then Luke's the first one to go "Are you saying it's my fault? It's not! It's not my fault! Master Van... Yeah! Master Van told me! It's not my fault!". You then get a camera pan of the entire party, completely silent. Then Jade begins to walk away, followed by everyone else. Luke dug his own grave, which is why the party's reaction to Anise and how *she* deals with her fuck-up is wildly different. How many times do you need to be told this?

>>3792134
It's only gonna get worse once the remaster comes out

>>3792239
>You then get a camera pan of the entire party, completely silent

and that silence speaks volumes.

>>3792248
Indeed it does. It shows how they're done standing Luke's bullshit after months of it + now having witnessed his complete dismissal at the death of 10k people including a kid drowning in poison under the weight of his father's corpse right in front of their eyes. He brought it on himself, which is why neither Ion nor Anise are treated like he is

>>3792250
and also silently blaming Luke for blowing up the town.

"I WAS TRICKED" and since no one said anything about agreeing with him, they were blaming him like he willingly blew up the town.

>He brought it on himself
what part of HE WAS TRICKED do you not fucking get?

>>3792252
Go to sleep, Act 1 Luke

>>3792176
You get that intention doesn’t actually matter right
He still killed hundreds and tried to brush it off

>>3792254
Luke was legitimately tricked, retard

>>3792254
>hundreds
If fucking only. TEN THOUSAND people died. Luke effectively committed a small genocide and his very first thought was to try and make sure he wouldn't be scolded

>>3792259
>and his very first thought was to try and make sure he wouldn't be scolded

he didn't want to get treated like he was a willing participant but the reaction of the party is like "this fucker was compliant"

>>3792261
>>3792253

>>3792257
Being tricked doesn’t matter
Even luke understands this later on, why can’t you?

>>3792275
The irony of you saying this is that later on we find out just how shitty it was for them to blame him, when it's not just that Luke was tricked but he was actively raised so that he would destroy the ring at Azeriuth and die there. By that point in time Luke's self esteem has been shot dead.

Luke literally couldn't control his own body at the time, and Van, Duke Fabre and the king knew what was going to happen and sent Van with him to make sure that it happen.

>>3791866
berseria and abyss fans? Probably

>>3792349
Why did you randomly reply to a 17 hour old post? Are you mad about something?

>>3792352
because I just got here? some of us aren't clicking refresh every hour of the day

>>3792250
>they're done standing Luke's bullshit after months of it
This, people often isolate the reaction to Akzeriuth's destruction as if Luke hadn't been a colossal asshole for MONTHS by that point. You think they would've reacted the same way had Guy done it? Luke was like this when Akzeriuth went down:
https://youtu.be/P0_7bMtXNl0?t=190
He needed a reality check and fast. It just so happened that it sadly came with the death of 10k innocent people

>>3792336
>By that point in time Luke's self esteem has been shot dead
He had fucking NOTHING but self esteem. He was the most egocentric, obnoxious asshole in the entirety of Auldrant. He quite literally didn't give a single shit about anybody but himself. His reaction to a sickly kid in needing of healing was telling Natalia not to go near him 'cause he was "ewwww.... dirty". The rest of the party were nothing but cordial upon meeting him, and he actively managed to alienate every single one of them in less than half a year so much so that by the time they got to Deo Pass/Akzeriuth they were all over his bullshit. Nobody forced him to be an ass to Tear. Nobody forced him to be an ass to Ion. Nobody forced him to be an ass to Jade. Nobody forced him to be an ass to Anise. He reaped what he sowed, and the best part is that freaking Luke himself acknowledged as much when he changed. That's the best part; that short-haired Luke realized how much of an asshole he used to be, and how many excuses he used as a shield to rationalize his need to not change

The absolute state of people unironically defending the indefensible in 2005+20. Don't even bother with a reply, won't read

>>3792454
>He reaped what he sowed

how is being tricked into destroying a town is "He reaped what he sowed"

>>3792352
>17 hour post
it's /vrpg/ retard

>>3792481
You might try reading the rest of the post.

>>3792489
I did but you are victim blaming here and ignoring the fact that Luke was tricked

>>3792352
People have live outside 4chan. Stop being an internet addict loser. Start by fucking off from here. /vrpg/ Tales thread usually took a month to hit bump limit

>>3792454
How the fuck is being raised to be sqcrificed and getting your body controlled and being forced to kill innocent people "reaping what he sowed".

Just pointing this out but even the characters acknowledged that Luke's situation was beyond fucked up. His lack of knowledge of the world, his trust in Van, and the way he was treated by those in his life who he has every reason to trust should have been a giant red flag to any adult. Jade even acknowledged that he could have prevented it if he took those red flags seriously.

You're forgetting that Luke is seven years old that was isolated from the world and purposely kept ignorant and spoiled just so that he could be killed.

Luke could have been the nicest person in the world and Azeriuth still would have happened anyway because the event wasn't a result of Luke's actions or his flaws.

>>3792352
This isn't a forum nor /v/ people CAN reply to old posts if they damn well please fuck off with your muh nercobumps

>>3792604
>Jade even acknowledged that he could have prevented it if he took those red flags seriously.
It's really funny, cause all of them were incredibly negligent by the time they've reached Akzeriuth. Jade takes the cake, but no one even tries to honestly resolve Luke's confusion when seeing Asch. He didn't even know about replicas before that point and this seems like a crucial tipping point for his mental state. He wasn't that bad before that, just very spoiled and unworldly. Ion for example could've also prevented it, but went with the score cause he's a little bitch. Yet no one gives him any shit.

>>3792618
Ion was the first to acknowledge that the whole issue. Guy acknowledged that a people who raised Luke him and Natalia have blame for how he ended up. Tear was initially on a high horse until her grandfather said that they did the right thing by following the Score.

>>3792604
>Just pointing this out but even the characters acknowledged that Luke's situation was beyond fucked up.

and yet did nothing to console Luke right after that incident. They were silently blaming him like he was a willing accomplice

>>3792454
>Deo Pass
God, I forgot how much of an insufferable morown he was by the end there. Thankfully he got better

>>3792774
The irony is that Asch is infinitely worse in a way that you don't realize until much later on. Asch knew exactly what was going to happen and yet did absolutely nothing to stop it. Instead he was actively hostile towards Luke expecting Luke to know everything that was going to happen despite the fact he himself didn't know until he became a God General. Hell, at one point he finds out that he can control Luke's body but instead he just used it as a power move to assert his dominance thus giving Van a chance to gain control over Luke's body.

Stories are usually a weak point in this franchise. People point Abyss because of Luke's character arc, but few actually point to the story itself because it's not really special. Characters stop plates from falling, mana is called fonon on this game and is related to sound, there's a technology to replicate things and you can make scifi-shit with it like human cloning and advanced machines, even replicate terrain because magical technology.. There are elemental spirits called ggregate sentientd but they don't appear in the main story except for the game related to Abyss itself.
It's 99% similar to most games in tha regard.

>>3792890
Abyss is more of a character driven story. The story itself is very paint by the numbers but what makes it special is that the story being told is a result of the characters actions both past and present and you are made to understand why they do the things they do.

>>3792890
Characters and plot might as well be one and the same when you can't talk about one without the other. Not in a game like Abyss, where the Score and people's opinion of it is so damn prevalent. And the setting, which is what you talk about when it comes to fonons and technology, is also often praised as the one with the most involved world building in the franchise. Which admittedly isn't a high bar for Tales, but still. Auldrant is interesting. As is Abyss' narrative, and most of the party besides Luke. Especially Jade, he might be one of the best written characters in the franchise period.

>>3792918
>Especially Jade, he might be one of the best written characters in the franchise period.

he's just a modern day Citan Uzuki, knows everything that is going on but does fuckall to prevent shit going down.

>>3793136
Jade is the most interesting, realistic example of a sympathetic sociopath I've seen in a video game. Once upon a time he was two steps away from becoming a supervillain and he knows it
>that endgame skit where he says if he could he'd go back in time and kill himself
He's great. Basically this high-functioning kid that didn't understand the meaning of life and played with the world like it was a toy until shit hit the fan with Nebilim all because he felt the need to try and learn the Seventh Fonon because he couldn't not, then he spends his young adult life doubling down with fomicry going down an ever darker path until he figures enough of it out to realize it's not the correct path even if in part of his mind's eye he'd still very much want to do it. So when the game starts and he's a 35yo military career man, you see him suffering over his immense guilt and his autistically logical brain knowing he's a complete monster that can't ever be redeemed. Only, post-Akzeriuth Luke challenges that notion if only slightly. As he's learning about life, so is Jade in a way. Luke's glad fomicry exists because without it he wouldn't have been born. Jade fighting Dist is really him fighting with his past notions, and it culminates with his promise to renew fomicry but for good this time as he tells Anise right before the final battle, to try and help and the replicas that now live in the world. And finally there's this:
https://cefrlyne.tumblr.com/post/166706112582/

Characters like Jade makes me ignore people that say Yuri is one of the best Tales protagonists despite having almost zero development through the game. Older, always right, ironic and smirky. Gets tiring.

>>3793385
Yuri actually gets development. It's just not as drastic and obviously as someone like Karol.
>always right
They're not. Even Jade's wrong from time to time.

The problem with gaining more party members is that you have to spend more money on equipment.

>>3793784
>he doesn't spend half the playthrough with a Sephira equipped

>>3793784
Unless the game has a system that ties skills to equips and/or crafting, just buy every other equipment tier until you get to the very obviously final town.

>>3793784
>>3794080
>not rolling along with whatever you find in chests or rewards for most of the game

We're so back

>>3794990
Nothing Tales of is going to get announced this stream its over.

Not even the next remaster anouncement.

>>3795114
>>3795131
Correct.

so much mystery for a port of a PS2/PS3 game, lmao

Would you prefer the next Tales game to have fast travel or vehicles?

>>3795525
The question implies that we even get an overworld to traverse which at this point is just hilarious. We'll get quick travel cause vehicles don't even have the space to be useful.

>>3784583
The problem was never graphics itself, it was mainly artstyle. Vesperia rarely gets criticism for the graphics cause the cel-shading is pretty timeless. The Xillia games however look like every other JRPG in that era. It's not even like they made a huge, interesting world with the money and time saved copy-pasting half the game.