* Well, there is a Deltarune Thread here.

Not an RPG.

>>3804216 (OP)
Undertale sucks.
Deltarune sucks.
(You) suck.
Thank you for your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RDox8eAR-Q

>>3804231
I watched these to many times, absolute kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2rziGtwWVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Tlmb_4NmM

>>3804218
It has a system of incremental statistics, the defining factor of RPGs.

>>3804227
>Undertale su-

>>3804218
define an RPG

https://x.com/peridodorito/status/1945169823715021040
Leaving this here.

>>715627840
>Why does everyone love Tenna now everyone hated him at launch
Same revisionism of "why do people like Queen now"
I never disliked any of them, I disliked key aspects of their chapters

>3804976
Please don't

>>3804995
>>>/v/715627840
correct link

>>3804997
Kris...

>>3804997

>>3804995
I don't think people disliked either of them. But Toby for some reason always says he's not sure if people would dislike some of his characters.

>>3804976
there's something to be said about calling people using a mod hitler while also saying you want them all dead

I am the philosopher, amen. I bring you this thread's questions.
>Why does Kris' damage against Tenna increase if you do the sword route?
>What calamity is the shelter supposed to protect the residents of Hometown from?
>Why is Jockington's speech becoming progressively more fucked up?
>Is Alvin in the know about the Roaring Knight conspiracy?
>What is the connection between cats and puppets?

>>3805160
>Why is Jockington's speech becoming progressively more fucked up?
he's slowly becoming a goner, and despite all the effort you're putting in THAT will be what subverts the prophecy since he can't grow a beard when he's grayscale

>>3805160
>Why does Kris' damage against Tenna increase if you do the sword route?
For the same reason he barely tries against the knight, he's a treacherous little shit and a terrified Tenna accidentally spills the beans to the player there.

>>3805160
>Why does Kris' damage against Tenna increase if you do the sword route?
on the sword route tenna talks about the "deal" he made with kris. you only learn this if you do the route, so kris is probably pissed you found out. also the whole getting stronger thing
>What calamity is the shelter supposed to protect the residents of Hometown from?
idk, the roaring probably. maybe it's supposed to keep something in
>Why is Jockington's speech becoming progressively more fucked up?
he's Sports bro
>Is Alvin in the know about the Roaring Knight conspiracy?
he tells kris to stay away from the bunker, and takes the hammer from the grave to his church, he definitely knows something about this. it's also possible he's the delta rune on the shelter code
>What is the connection between cats and puppets?
friend is probably a cat, it is confirmed to have connections to them
also spamton neo's bullets do less damage if you have the mannequin equipped, which defends against element 6 (iirc), which is puppet/cat

I wonder what the significance of the [Pipis] could be.
Spamton proudly declares he's always been a man of the [Pipis], and he thinks of it as a sign that Tenna also cares about something.
Tenna gets booed by the audience and he knows it shameful when they find out he has one, so it's clear most people find it weird. Then he says they are hypocrites and everybody does it.
Susie and Ralsei also find it weird when you pick it up, and they both refuse to eat it, so neither are a [Pipis Person]. Kris is the only one in the gang who eats it and gains +100 HP outside of battle.
So Spamton, Tenna, and Kris seem to be the only ones who are okay with them.
Is this a secret to becoming a [Big Shot]?

>>3805160
Tenna snitched.
Because he is a joke character.
Alvin is irrelevant.
FRIEND bullshit.

Trvth:
>Gaster is 99% fanon and will never ever have a direct role in the game
>Egg man will never be anything more than a shitpost easter egg
>"FRIEND" is just an easter egg or some kind of generic representation of evil and will never be an actual character
>Mikes literally make fun of theoryfags and have no greater role than that of a shitpost
>"Vessel" will maybe get shown and referenced once and that's it, though it's possible it has no role whatsoever beyond setting the tone of the game and was literally discarded forever
>if you unironically think Toby would or should give easter egg creepypasta bait key story importance, you are actually autistic and have no idea how videogame writing works

You won't get through your teen years without at least one Egg

>>3805294
fertilizing one egg that is

>>3805160
>What calamity is the shelter supposed to protect the residents of Hometown from?
Nuclear war.

>Why is Jockington's speech becoming progressively more fucked up?
Same reason the Follower at the Libraby is fucking up.

>Is Alvin in the know about the Roaring Knight conspiracy?
No, but Alphys is.

Toby has established a pattern every release ends with a sort of partial red herring that leads to a double rug pull later on.

>Chapter 1 ends with Kris taking out his Soul and staring at us with a knife and red eyes
>"Holy fuck, Kris will genocide everyone"
>Chapter 2 comes
>"Oh, he was just eating the pie"
>"Wait a minute, he was doing a lot more than just eating the pie"
>Chapter 2 ends with Kris opening a fountain
>"Holy fuck, Kris is the Knight"
>Chapters 3 and 4 come out
>"Oh, he isn't the Knight"
>"Wait a minute, he is conspiring with the Knight the whole time"

The current red herring is Carol Knight, which the game tricks you into believing through certain scenes and details. Meanwhile, the game is also screaming Dess is the Knight, but only for those who payed attention to the subtle hints about her.

And of course, Toby has shown he is willing to break his patterns, so it might really be Rudy in the end.

>>3805426
Anyone who supported Kris as the Knight just for opening a fountain has the shallowed media literacy level on 4chan.

>>3805426
Anyone who supported Kris as the Knight just for opening a fountain has the shallowest media literacy level on 4chan.

>>3805440
explain your media literacy genius then

The Knight being Carol wouldn’t be as satisfying as Dess or even Rudy being the Knight.

>>3805441
The fact that I could tell Kris wasn't the Knight just for opening a fountain AS THEY ONLY DID IT AFTER QUEEN EXPLAINED ON SCREEN HOW TO OPEN A FOUNTAIN RIGHT TO KRIS'S FACE

>>3805443
Dess doesn't exist. She could be literally anything when/if she becomes an actual character.

Tsk tsk tsk, you guys don't know.
Carol, Rudy and Dess are not the knight. The horns are the red herring.
The knight is Asriel, who is working with Kris. The horns you see in the knight are the horns Kris used to have as a child and would wear them.

>>3805444
>Kris plugged the TV way before ever listening to Queen revealing that
>Arranged the living room as if he knew what was going to happen
>Everyone up to that point was being clear about the Knight being the one opening fountains

And despite the actual Knight, the new release proved a lot of stuff said by Kris Knighters:
>Kris can do a ton of stuff without the soul despite being weaker
>Kris is involved in shady stuff
>as far as being able to open the bunker which goes against the whole quest he has with Susie in chapter 4

>>3805160
The calamity is probably the Roaring. Which is analogous to the Great Flood. See Pluey and the arkbDialogue
Jockington's probably a joke but considering Bird guy I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to turn into a Goner or some other left field twist like he has some degenerative brain disease and is going to die

>>3805458
Kris being in on the plan and working with the Knight is one thing. Kris actually being the Knight themselves was quite another.

>>3805166
>>3805462
>Jockington
>Library Guy
>Clam Guy/Girl
>Onionsan
Any other characters likely to get goner'd in the future?

>>3805179
No the Pipis are sentient and eating or killing them is evil. Kris can't refuse anything you give in the Dark World

>>3805426
Rudy would be so stupid

>>3805463
The only proper evidence for Dess Knight from the first 2 chapters I can remember are her narrative parallels to Asriel/Flowey and that's about it.
Kris still was the most hinted Knight suspect and that was on purpose. So much a lot of Kris Knight speculation ended up true despite Kris not being the Knight.

>>3805468
Rudy Knight would be abysmal, cheap shocking twist, but at this point expecting the worst from Toby doesn't seem that unlikely.

>>3805469
>Kris still was the most hinted Knight suspect and that was on purpose
And only buffoons fall for the obvious.

>>3805464
Temmie

>>3805440
Everything Kris Knighters said came true.

>>3805477
Except for him being the same person that made the first 2 fountains
Which, you know, is what saying Kris is the Knight means

>KrisKnightfags are still coping
He isn’t The Roaring Knight.
It’s over.

>>3805490
We still don't know who made the first two fountains.
>King was just confirmed to have never met the Knight, he was just going by the crazy stuff Jevil told him
>Queen herself said she never met it
>Mild evidence that Kris made the Chapter 2 fountain himself too
>Chapter 4's double fountains don't have a confirmed creator even if the Knight is the most likely

>>3805495
>Chapter 4's double fountains don't have a confirmed creator
Nigga, you go to church with Susie and leave and come back to see a Dark World made while you weren't there.
Kris can't do shit off screen if he never goes off screen.

>>3805471
>expecting the worst from Toby doesn't seem that unlikely
People are THAT sore about Woody?

>>3805502
He teleported to the church while you were making your way to the kitchen and made the 2 fountains and teleported back to make it look like he was just drinking chocolate milk, obviously

>>3805502
>Kris can't do shit off screen if he never goes off screen.
I've never said Kris did it. Might as well have been Alvin or Carol, the Knight still is the most likely suspect too.
>>3805505
It's not about the fucking Friend Inside Me, it's about teasing all the Mike stuff for years and opening the mystery box to reveal a piece of paper saying "lol" to all the people making free advertisement of his game for years.

>>3805514
If you're not saying Kris did it then what was even the point of bringing it up when you're trying to make a case for Kris Knight??

>>3805520
I'm not making a case for fucking Kris Knight, I'm making a case that it was never a simple question and Kris Knight was (and still is) a good guessing with what we had, and that brought up a lot of correct points despite Kris "only" being the Knight's helper.

>>3805523
Someone made the Chapter 2 fountain while Noelle and Berdly were studying since they don’t remember falling in and assume that they just had a dream.
It couldn’t have been Kris.

>>3805514
Toby making fun of theoryfags was peak. Maybe one day you will realize that you were basing your autismo theories on nothing and Toby never owed you anything for yelling at clouds.

>>3805514
>it's about teasing all the Mike stuff
3 mentions of Mike in the game proper before chapter 3, some off-hand mentions during ARG stuff. People blew it out of proportion, they have only themselves to blame.

>>3805526
>Someone made the Chapter 2 fountain while Noelle and Berdly were studying since they don’t remember falling in and assume that they just had a dream
Yet another dunce forgetting everything that happened in Chapter 1.
>Kris and Susie walked around in the dark before the floor disintegrated.
>Susie was questioning herself if everything they went through was real up to the next day, and no one even tried convincing her it was a dream
And you have the nerve to tell me I don't have "media literacy".
It can be Kris, it can be the Knight, it can be the Annoying Dog, we still can't be sure.

>>3805532
I’m not the same guy retard.
Do you think that the closet door just closed on its own? And what about the closet “big enough for somebody to fit in” that was brought up again in Chapter 4?

>>3805511
speaking of, if Susie's will altered the church dark world with both its inhabitants and even the lighting, I wonder if all the cold, snowy stuff in Ch 3 were influenced by Kris? they don't really fit the physical objects in his home

>>3805528
>>3805529
Jevil teased the Queen, and Spamton teased so much stuff we couldn't even expect like the Titan battle, and might have teased even more.
You know why people discuss all this? Because it's fun. The fucker goes out of his way to include text (translated to japanese) and secret rooms only accessible through hacking and data-mining to bait the theory crafting. Then he just mocked his fans because they weren't having fun the way he intended.
Toby shouldn't take for granted the people who enabled him to live his dream life.

>>3805535
>they don't really fit the physical objects in his home
I'm this close to making a snide comment about your age.

>>3805534
>Do you think that the closet door just closed on its own?
Wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the game. And again, it doesn't has to be the same person who made the fountain.
>And what about the closet “big enough for somebody to fit in” that was brought up again in Chapter 4?
An indication (but not confirmation) it was the Knight who made the chapter 2 fountain.

>>3805536
>mocked his fans
By making entire secret boss fight and minigame collection that acknowledged most popular fan theories?

kiss version... my beloved... where are thou....

>>3805535
>they don't really fit the physical objects in his home
TV static and the freezer, but it was probably pulled from Kris's memories the same way Cyberworld just happens to have all the spelling bee stuff.

>>3805537
oh I get the TV static/snow but even the save point remarks on how Kris likes the cold, just wondering about the differences between who opens the fountains, Susie's is the most overt and Kris is the only other one we see actually making one.

>>3805539
Acknowledgement isn't always a positive thing.
It was an empty reveal that didn't explain shit.
Leaving it all quiet would've been better. Chapter 2 didn't acknowledge people thinking Queen was going to be a card.
Plus, "* (You don't really like looking at this sort of thing.)" was the cherry on top.
The battle was fun but it was just Castle Town side content.

>>3805464
100% the Rudinn going grayscale in Castle Town.

>>3805544
Redpill me on that

>>3805546
He's the one that knows the (you)r/player's name, he can track your town love, he goes grrayscale, and he's an ace. The characters meant to parallel Goners are the seven flying aces, one of which explains that monochrome copies have to be colored in with so there's a clear connection there.
And while the Darkners all have some degree of meta/prophecy-knowledge the knowledge of the Player's name seems odd, exclusive, and firmly something in the device layer of the game. Which only Gaster and maybe friend seem to have access to.

>>3805543
>You don't really like looking at this sort of thing
Why yes, it was a personal attack against you and your precious corkboard, nothing to do with corkboards at Carol's room and Asgore's place.

Post kino from the japanese deltarune community.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RDox8eAR-Q

>>3805426
Carol is the next logical target for the Knight after Undyne and the Church, and that will be when Dess' identity is revealed.

>>3805550
Yes anon, things can't have multiple meanings.
One day you might learn that the face value of things is actually as important as anything going on deeper.

>>3805556
And one day you might stop taking light ribbing so seriously.

>>3805514
I think Mike still exists. I saw a post that complied the information on Mike by some theorist but to give the TLDR.
The fourth or so mention of Mike we get is the fact that Tenna and his crew know nothing about Mike and given by Toby's tweets about Pleuy the Mike room and its minigames were implemented very late into production after Chapter 3&4 themselves were finished.
Everything the Mikes say about the real Mike is also true, there does seem to be somebody else involved.

You may have taken it badly but I don't think Toby was trying to make fun of fan theories, and instead he went out of his way to make extra content referencing the popular fan theories as well as how caught up we got in our own speculation.

>>3805560
>I don't think Toby was trying to make fun of fan theories, and instead he went out of his way to make extra content referencing the popular fan theories as well
Toby, more than everyone, should be worried with how people take what he says about his fanbase.
>as how caught up we got in our own speculation.
He may joke about people looking too deep into his and Sakurai's tweets, but as far as I'm aware Sakurai has never teased new Smash content through criptic tweets.
This isn't the first time, Toby has left messages on the console versions of UT making fun of the hackers. All this after he spent years building up an elaborate ARG that was a big contributor to his games's success.

>>3805502
no bro you don't get it kris rigged up an entire Rube Goldberg machine with a knife (with channeled determination duh) to open a fountain when we were away to throw us off of the trail, man

>>3805566
>how people take what he says about his fanbase
Yeah, he better walk on eggshells or god forbid he might offend some mentally insane people.

>>3805566
He made fun of hackers before in UT as well, and its pretty harmless. I don't see the problem and honestly very little of the ARG had to do with Mike, is was mostly foreshadowing to Chapter 3 & 4 stuff we got payoff for.
Aside from that us was just misc content for the superfans who were dying of Deltastarvation.

Another thread bites the dust. Funny that it happens as soon as shipping becomes the focus.

>>3805595
What's the point of seething about it here every time it happens?

>>3805599
seething feels like a stretch, I said it was funny. But I agree it won't be necessary to bring it up again.
Here, have this, compilation of what I suppose can be called "flood theory."

This whole thing about certain characters turning into goners means this fan made ARG might have got something right by accident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PnkBqA69WE

>>3805604
>not including the Raise Up Your Bat lyrics
ngmi

>>3805604
I wonder if Alphys being the genocide route Noah analogue in Undertale will play a part as well

>>3805604
Don't forget how much darkness has been compared to water

What was even the TV smile?
Is it just a secondary logo for Tenna?
Part of an early Tenna design that got changed later on like how Queen was supposed to be scary at first?
Was it Battat on his Mike costume the whole time?

>>3805625
Tenna's nose isn't long in the light world.

>>3805626
But it also doesn't show up in the black screens with the same smile in the dark world.

but is it

>>3805625
smiling was the first thing tenna did upon becoming a darkner because "holy shit im finally the center of attention again!"

>>3805625
It’s Tenna.

>>3805604
now add the wormwood lines

>>3805625
did you miss all the backstage screens with the Tenna smile appearing when you walk by?

>>3805604
> WELL, THE WORLD CHANGED. SOCIETY WAS DEVELOPED.
> THE EARTH WAS COVERED IN WATER, DINOSAURS APPEARED, AN ICE AGE,
> HM... ACTUALLY, THERE ARE STILL DINOSAURS... IS IT MIXED UP?
> IN ANY CASE, THIS ISLAND IS THE ONLY PLACE LEFT I CAN TALK.
> DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?

> ON THURSDAY (4), I GO TO SELL THE DONUTS.
> ON FRIDAY (5), I TOSS THE LEFTOVERS IN THE DUMPSTER.
> ON SATURDAY (6) , I LET IT COOL ON THE WINDOWSILL.
> ON SUNDAY (1), I HARVEST THE WHEAT.
So, the correct order would be - harvest, cool down, sell, toss? If we unscramble this, we will get 1645. What does it mean?

> ON THURSDAY (5), I GO TO SELL THE DONUTS.
> ON FRIDAY (6), I TOSS THE LEFTOVERS IN THE DUMPSTER.
> ON SATURDAY (7) , I LET IT COOL ON THE WINDOWSILL.
> ON SUNDAY (1), I HARVEST THE WHEAT.
So, the correct order would be - harvest, cool down, sell, toss? If we unscramble this, we will get 1756. What does it mean?

>>3805764
he's just talking about egg room location
>first one spits you out by the bake sale
>second one is by Spamton's vacation house
>you're already in the third one and it's the only one that doesn't require going between screens on repeat
>fourth one is the glass window
>fifth one might be related to wheat
and he says nothing about 6 and 7 just like Gerson

>>3804218
pseudoRPG

>>3805490
>Conceded they got everything else right.
Done. Better record than every other Knight theorist.

>>3805490
The Knight isn't the person who makes the fountains, anyone can do that and that doesn't make them the Knight.
We don't even have evidence that Kris made the Chapter 1 & 2 Dark World, sure he has the opportunity but so did The Knight and there are other members of the conspiracy like Carol who could have done it.

>>3805495
>>3805907
The only thing we know for sure is that Noelle and Berdly were in the middle of studying at the desks in the computer lab, which means the fountain had to have been made after they arrived there, which meant either the Knight is somehow capable of making fountains in reverse, or the computer lab fountain was made by someone that wouldn't be strange to see in the computer lab.
It's also impossible for the fountain to have been made in the closet and then the closet door closed until Noelle and Berdly arrive, because there's power wires connecting to an outlet outside the closet which means the door would not be able to close all the way. Enough to hide their identity, not enough to keep the dark world from spilling into the main computer lab.

>>3805543
You woodyfags were insufferable prior to the chapter release. Your seethe fuels me.

How must the picrel anon be felling?
He got like 80% spot on.

>>3806036
the bottom line 100% would've happened if the church was later in the game.

I'm developing an undertale/deltarune-like game but I realize now I've ben deving for like half a year and my MC is still a placeholder.
I have the other party members more or less set (except one other one who is also placeholder-ish but I might just stick with that) but I'm so lost on the main character.
At the time he's just a mix of Kris and Quote from cave story so just a robot boy, and in the story the others are working under the assumptions that he's human and don't know he's a robot.
But I think it's kinda terrible, or at least every time I think about it I go "no I need to change it", I'd appreciate some ideas for who you'd want/not want to see be an mc.

also if anyone has some gameplay ideas to spice stuff up i'd also take those because right now it's just a 1 to 1 copy of deltarune battle with attack/act and just dodging enemy bullets and grazing and I think I'll get sued by Toby if I just keep it like this.

>>3806101
you should ask over this thread >>3796262
its specifically for UT/DR fangames with many dev anons working on their own games, but if your game is like those it should be fine

>>3806103
Oh, okay.

>>3806101
Nothing wrong with that idea for an MC, the question is why in-universe would being a robot shock them and whether it should be something the player immediately knows instead of being revealed later when the rest of the characters do.
I once spitballed my own game concept where the MC was an android disguised as a human, with the reason being the human the MC was based on died and their aunt was a robotics engineer trying to bring that human back in the form of the MC. The idea being it would play with the concepts of the MC's identity, with the question being whether the MC considered itself to be the original human reborn, a new individual with its own identity, or a non-individual who only exists as the player's vessel (the player in-universe would have the role of a spiritual guide that the other characters weren't aware of until a late game reveal).
What I'm getting at is your choices should always answer the question "why does this matter?"

>>3806101
nta, when you do post about it over there do give any extra context at all, hard to give you advice with no art, story, setting, anything

>>3806105
Oh no it had a story I just meant more as like, I don't have anything visual for him.
I just literally use the sprite of Kris and I have no idea how to make him actually look.

>>3806107
I can't really post the graphics since I only have placeholders and final art (for some characters) which I don't want to be online pre-release.

The story I was going for it was like "Blame!", spoilers for the blame manga I guess, but there the people in a dystopian world basically lost access to their rapidly expanding technology because it can only be accessed by humans with a specific gene who all died out, so our party would be working under the assumption that they actually found a human in a dumpster and try to go through hell to bring them to a net terminal to make them able to leave their city/cluster and restore the world/contact between each other (they're all non human but not like monsters necessarily but human-ish variants that evolved to be different in the future), but anyway long story short once they'd get to the end they'd find out he wasn't actually human but as a robot they'd still be able to work the terminal to see it's all kinda fucked anyway and wouldn't have worked which is eehhh it's work in progress I wasn't really set on a downer ending it's just like one possibility I had in mind. But it's way to similar to undertale as is with the monsters stuck in the underground and needing a human soul to break the barrier which is why it rubbed me the wrong way.

I'll move this to the other thread so reply there I guess so we don't have to post in both.

>>3806119
Finish the designs for everyone else if you haven't already. Then do the MC to look average compared to all the others, like it's trying to blend in among a crowd.

With the whole rapekino scenario now included in the game, I expect the fandom to go full edgelord mode, but, what do you think will be like in the story?

>>3806130
All the fanbase does is make theories about us going into Noelle even though that makes no sense.

>>3806130
Honestly I think it is very hard to guess what will happen in the weird route from now on.
The hints we got so far are
>Noelle is completely broken
>Kris doesn't wanna do it and hates us
>Susie and Ralsei will be killed later on
>Something will happen at the festival
>Carol will be involved
>The player might take direct control over Noelle
>"YOU WERE USED UP"

>>3806130
I don't expect weird route to go full edgelord more than it already has been. The rest of the route will be Noelle being more assertive, elbowing her way into the group, and her reaction to learning the truth about her sister and what her mom has been up to. Where it will go off the rails is in Noelle's reaction resulting in a course of events worse than if they had allowed the Prophecy to play out according to the plan that Kris and the Knight are working together on. The edgiest part of the rest of the route will be snowgraving Susie.

I retract my statement from the previous thread about Prophecy being cyclical, but I still suspect that Carol went through aborted Snowgrave route herself and that Rudy pussied out at the last moment. Now she thinks it's up to Noelle to finish what they started.

Predicted almost down to the letter. Did he follow up on the Egg rooms in 3 and 4?

>>3806378
Jaru said this? If not, who?

>>3806378
Aside from him having strong imagination, everything else is just obvious stuff, he might as well predicted Kris wears green shirt with yellow stripe.

>>3806378
Kris is the third best student in class according to Berdly. Although, I can see an argument for ptsd, especially with that mental health hospital flashback.

>>3806379
The graphic design screams gametheory to me, but I could be wrong.

>>3806379
Austin from ShoddyCast, who was a former Game Theory contributor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmbiKKJMek

>>3806394
I remember that video.

>>3805779
Why does the hint for Chapter 1's Egg even mention donuts? It's a useless hint since the egg is way further in.

>>3806414
Bake sale.

>>3805918
The wires can just go under the door crack

>>3806101
Toby doesn't have a patent on box bullet rpgs and there hasn't been a major high quality ripoff so far so if you make one you might get some free youtuber attention

>>3806414
its in the room where you do donuts to reveal the tree switch

>>3806415
Knowing the egg room links you back to the bake sale doesn't help you get to the egg room organically which is far after the bake sale

>>3806426
You know what, that makes sense.

You can see how nerd culture has changed a lot across time when someone creates a character called Spamton and doesn't make a single Monty Python reference, and no one feels it's absense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU

>>3806519
I sure do love when the video bitrate dies for no fucking reason, here's a different webm that hopefully fixes whatever the fuck went wrong with this

>>3806709
Holy based

>>3806519
>>3806709
>A ghost playing like, tricks on us???
why is susie racist towards ghost monsters?

>>3804976
>Twitter users mald
A nothing burger meal with a side of same shit

you know, if deltarune was released in the late 2000s, someone would've made an AMV with this nine inch nails song
https://youtu.be/wwvLlEtxX3o

>janny is going apeshit again

>>3806896
Watercoolers aren't safe anymore.

>>3806896
Let them fight.

>>3806896
i wonder if momentum is truly dead or if THAT many posters got caught up in mass bans.

>>3806971
Both but I will say it's mostly the former, personally. I don't feel like going over my folder to make a stealth thread anymore. Especially when it can be deleted at a moments notice.

>>3806971
Well, at this point I think we've mostly discussed everything that could be discussed, but I also don't want to just flat out stop having threads. I'm fine with taking a little break from time to time, but knowing the janny even that won't be enough for him, he flat out just does NOT want deltarune discussed on /v/.

>>3806983
>but I also don't want to just flat out stop having threads
>>>/vg/

>>3806984
Fuck /vg/.

>>3806984
/vg/ isnt for discussing the games.

>>3806986
they do there, though. they just post a lot of fat tvs too.

>>3806987
It's a completely different environment and the definition of what a "general" is is completely arbitrary.
There could easily be multiple deltarune threads up, but then the mods delete those. So they're contained into one thread, but that thread is considered a "general" so it gets banned. Even though there are so many games that basically have perpetual discussion in /v/. Therefore, what is considered a general is completely arbitrary.

Every fictional media in Deltarune's world is based on the prophecy to some extent
Even Mew Mew and Minecrap
The Symptons, too

>>3806983
>Well, at this point I think we've mostly discussed everything that could be discussed
Bullshit, we still had new theories popping up days before the new chapter release. Sure, we were getting some lore crumbs with ARGs and newsletters, but it was a four-year wait. And now we're giving up after one month?

>>3807017
Oh no, I agree. But at the risk of sounding like the tranny janny, I just think it's fine to take a little break instead of having consecutive threads.
It's still 100% the bias of one moderator that the deltarune threads keep getting deleted though. There have been nonstop bonanza threads for longer than deltarune's been out. And the less said about the perpetual gacha threads and the dogshit AIslop general, the better.

>>3807017
Well what else are we to do, discuss some Youtuber's take on a drawn out theory? Are e-celebs/notable tubers verboten here?

just a random thing i noticed
>stated by ralsei that a fountain's dark world reflects the will of the mind that made it.
>knight's dark worlds
>most "organic" of all of them. like the mind behind them wasnt trying to guide it in any specific direction and the world just formed.
>like the mind behind them, simply wasnt there at all.
>kris's dark world.
>directly focused on [the better times] and trying desperately to recreate them. but ultimately failing
>we know that that he truly wishes the good days were back. when everyone was one big happy family.
>susie's dark world
>we know that she sees the dark worlds as cool adventures, and that she only knew a shadow of who gerson was.
>the adventure aspect of her dark world was very shallow (short, minimal "content", only really has some "wow factor" moments, and is ultimately very hollow), like it was a shadow of an adventure.
>gerson wasnt brought back either, instead she got a statue of gerson. a shadow of a shadow.
if you have any kind of intent in your mind when making a dark world, you'll get a shadow of that intent.
kris wants the good times back, he got a desperate attempt at the good times.
susie wants adventures and gerson, she got a shallow adventure and a mindless beast.
whatever the knight wants, if it even can want anything, the dark worlds are a mere shadow of them.

>>3807035
>like the mind behind them wasnt trying to guide it in any specific direction
Noelle instantly recognized the Cyber City as the city of shining lights her sister promised to show her. Just saying.

>>3807017
We didn't have 24/7 threads during the four year wait.

>>3807038
I feel like Noelle had to have made the ch2 dark world somehow. Maybe the knight contacted her in the same way Alvin was contacted to dig up the hammer, or if it wasnt the knight whatever told aalvin to do that talked to noelle, Alvin doesnt make it sound like it was his idea

>>3807035
Reminder Kris and the Knight's Dark Worlds look identical, probably because they both played together with these same items when they were kids.

>>3807046
I think it just confirms it's Dess. She wanted to drag Noelle back first and foremost, but her personal feelings also mixed up with that. I feel like Toriel wasn't main target in chapter 4 either, Noelle is also on the choir. She is also the one

>>3807035
Another thing to consider about chapter 4 Dark Worlds - Dess would've been closely familiar with Gerson since he was her teacher. I don't know how much Kris interacted with him, but Susie did not know him at all, that's why she wasn't able to revive him as Darkner in her world.

>>3806709

you don't have to say anything if you don't have anything to say

Now that I think about it, the dark worlds that were created by Knight seem to have Noelle theme around them
Chapter 1 - games she used to play with Kris.
Chapter 2 - city of shining lights that Dess promised her.
Chapter 4 - her singing at church choir.
In fact, I'm tempted to say they are themed around Kris and Noelle. Chapter 2 is still a continuation of their childhood games, chapter 4 has lots of pianos. Chapter 3, meanwhile, is more focused on Dess than Noelle, although it is obviously about Kris' family first and foremost.

>>3807057
We have absolutely no way of knowing this though. We never see the same location animated by the Knight AND Kris.

>>3807035
The Castle Town Fountain and the Card Kingdom Fountain are outright two different fountains, so what if the Knight made Castle Town's and Kris made Card Kingdom's? Castle Town has the least amount of personal identity in the whole thing by default, and Ralsei specifies that its fountain is special and its the reason why all darkners fit into it. Either the knight has no bias' that would shape the world in one static image, or it has MULTIPLE bias' that allow it to foster pretty much all types of darkness that find a way in

>>3807081
>Castle Town has the least amount of personal identity in the whole thing by default
I feel like the supply closet was completely emptied in advance with nothing there but Ralsei and some mold. Again, Ralsei himself confirms that fountains were made with Kris and Noelle in mind - he was chosen to play the role of their guide because Noelle was familiar with Asriel and was bound to trust someone who looks like him.

>>3807073
Kris's Dark World looked identical to all the Knight's Dark Worlds.

>>3807086
>I feel like the supply closet was completely emptied in advance with nothing there but Ralsei and some mold
I dont believe that, not just becuase you can tie ralsei's cakes to being urinal cakes in the light world, but that still shouldnt make a completely empty world. Non-physical objects still become darkners, look at half the cast of chapter 2. You'd still get stuff like the floor tiles, the lingering smell of chemicals, the very stale air, the dust stuck in the impossible to reach crevices, etc becoming darkners if someone with a mind made it. Instead it's a generic, empty RPG town. An environment exists, but the mind to shape it didnt. It doesnt get shape until another mind, bringing in darkness from elsewhere, takes control.

>>3807092
>You'd still get stuff like the floor tiles, the lingering smell of chemicals, the very stale air, the dust stuck in the impossible to reach crevices, etc becoming darkners if someone with a mind made it
You mean, the purple cliffs segment from the beginning?
>Instead it's a generic, empty RPG town.
Which Ralsei himself had built. Don't forget, other Darkners begin to reshape Castletown too when they are brought there.

>>3807081
I thought the camera guy talked about why the Cliffs exist. Darkner bosses like Tenna cast their light onto and help shape the Darkworlds like Lightner intentions do, but when areas go unshaped they end up with those weirdo cliffs areas.
Ralsei probably just didn't exert any will over his Darkworld, and without anybody else there he had no reason to.

>>3807093
>You mean, the purple cliffs segment from the beginning?
Unless youre arguing the cliffs themselves are a darkner, I dont get how that goes agaisnt what I said. The world exists, it was created with a fountain, it was just not shaped by anything in particular and thus is unpopulated. It being empty physically wouldnt stop darkners from forming.
>>3807093
>Don't forget, other Darkners begin to reshape Castletown too when they are brought there.
...yeah, that was my point? The world takes shape the moment you bring in darkness from a fully realized dark world. Before that its nothing. It's standees of shops with generic symbols like FF1 on NES that dont even function. Built by ralsei or not, the world has no identity before you came along and gave it one. No other dark world reacts like that when you bring in other darkners, hell the opposite happens and it rejects those darkners after a long enough time. It has to have no cohessive shape to begin with, no intent for where the world is supposed to go or what the creator specifically wants to see. And most people cant just "Not want" anything at all

PLAYING DELTARUNE FOR THE FIRST TIME!?! ( Deltarune | Chapter 1 / 4 ) (Jetter06)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mxz4dqem6o

The land Shuttah describes before Tenna took over is basically Undertale
>In the once upon a time (Undertale's intro) there was a land like purple cliffs (Ruins).
>A frozen waste (Snowdin), watery basin (Waterfall), a metal desert (Hotland+CORE).
>But, this theater was built upon that... and, it grew.
>Not everyone liked the change. Some people left.
>Of course, that was in the days of the black-and-white (New Home, or the black and white battle system).
Makes me wonder if Chapter 3 would've been a knockoff Undertale if Kris didn't plug in the TV

>>3807127
Literal who?

>>3807103
>It being empty physically wouldnt stop darkners from forming
But it wasn't completely empty, we had piles of Asriel dust and those dancing mold thingies. Besides, not every object becomes a Darkner in Dark World.
>No other dark world reacts like that when you bring in other darkners
I think it's mostly explained by the fountain itself being special somehow. But there is impossible to guess how and what happened.

since the janny is being a more of a bitch than usual today i will bring my humble theory here
i believe that kris is/ was supposed to be the second hero
all the requirements we see and are told for it are met by kris:
uses swords, wears ribbons, LOVE/ love has found its way to them by way of (you) and susie, love can be either platonic or romantic
while susie takes 'hope crossed on her heart' as written on, crossed can also mean crossed out, which i believe is the case for kris based on behaviour and what little backstory we have for kris
this leaves the final, and most important, requirement: being a girl
lots of people seem to believe that kris is non binary, but this is never stated in any official material nor by toby, it's purely a fan thing
kris going by they/ them could be for a multitude of reasons, but based on behaviour i highly doubt kris went around telling everyone his pronouns, doesn't seem like her style
one piece of evidence for female kris is the princess ribbon, in which all the equip text states that they cannot wear the gloves (susie and ralsei), but interestingly enough noelle says that kris can, this means that kris must have dainty little princess hands to wear the delicate gloves
i guess kris rejecting the ice-e body wash could count as one as it's specifically for boys and kris uses apple shampoo, but that's iffy at best, same with the inspect text on kris' dark world wardrobe, it seems to imply that kris is unable to wear what she would want to, and only has asriel's old clothing to wear
i think kris being female also adds on to kris' identity issues, as having things like a period would be even more alien her family than male puberty that would likely be similar to asriel's and make kris feel like even more of a freak than he already would being the sole human in a monster town

>>3807140
>I think it's mostly explained by the fountain itself being special somehow. But there is impossible to guess how and what happened.
Im literally arguing what makes it special is the Knight in particular made it. I think the idea fits well with the theory the knight is some kind of amalgam using Dess as a base. Granted I wasnt being expressly clear about that so thats on me

>>3807159
And tricky tony could use femkris to forward his lesbian agenda

>>3807161
The thing is, while it was certainly possible that Kris opened a fountain in unused classroom, and I even still believe that computer lab fountain could've been created by Kris, chapter 4 fountain was most definitely created by the Knight, and it didn't had any special properties of Castletown fountain, hell, half of the objects in there became petrified. There is something else to the True Fountain.
>knight is some kind of amalgam using Dess as a base
Yeah, I don't believe it's just Dess in armor, we're definitely dealing with some kind of amalgam or Flowey situation where she is completely transformed.

>>3807159
I love this theory, the issue (and at the same time a big bonus if true) is if Toby ever revealed this the people who liked Kris as representation would go fucking BALLISTIC. Having an identity like that for personal benefit would make him a "Trans-trender", aka not a real nonbinary and pretty much a traitor to them

https://x.com/JamsDX_/status/1946126241985441867

Lost Girl/Raise Your Bat can fit into Megalovania

>>3807169
Now do Guile theme.

>>3807164
>chapter 4 fountain was most definitely created by the Knight
...fuuck, yeah you kinda got me there. I could argue maybe Alvin made it instead and managed to get out of the church before he entered, but that opens a whole new can of worms and Toby would have to pull another "Character conveniently forgets the horrible thing that happened last chapter", unless Alvin gets thrown in the same situation as Asgore where no one believes him for whatever reason even with the church torn up

>>3807177
...wait actually, I dont think neccesarily this is the case, but it IS worth remembering there has to be someone in the closet at the church. I dont think it's the Roaring Knight because that bitch FAST, and the church door is open if you reload your save so they wouldve left through that. Maybe Alvin is passed out from shock in there after unwittingly making a fountain? Or at least maybe he saw the Knight and they had to push and lock him in there so he wouldnt be in the actual dark world to tell

>>3807159
As a female human enjoyer, I would accept FemKris as canon simply so we can have (even more) female Frisk and Chara art.

>>3807177
>>3807183
I was thinking about Alvin too, but I hate to drag too many people in the conspiracy. As for closet, it wouldn't be the first time Knight hides in one.

>>3807191
But in this case it just doesnt make sense for the Knight to be in there, the church door is open. The only person who couldve opened that and not involve the rest of the town in the plot is The Knight.
I think it's either Alvin or Asgore in that closet since Asgore goes to the church at night to pray and would especially do so the night before the festival if he was planning to woo Toriel again. Maybe they arent in cahoots but they have to have seen something they shouldntve

>>3807168
I'd prefer if he just never brought it up in the game itself, but if he decided to make it a plot point he could still spin it as something empowering to that crowd. Just say Kris is AFAB and agreed to being The Cage to avoid being The Girl, ended up getting more than she bargained for by being a puppet, and the true ending is just breaking the Prophecy and making those roles meaningless anyway so Kris can stick with her chosen identity instead of what a Prophecy dictates.
But again, I'd rather it just not actually matter in the game, like in Undertale, so we can just safely ignore the crazies.

>>3807196
>But in this case it just doesnt make sense for the Knight to be in there, the church door is open
Think about it from the point of narrative, not the logic. That scene is there because it's an interesting insight. Then again, maybe Knight had some unfinished business in the church and was waiting for everyone to leave. Next day Susie is going to wonder how church Darkners got into Castletown.

>>3807199
>>3807159
>>3807168
It's not going to happen, even if we cast "muh diversity" argument aside. Kris is not a self-insert character, but he is specifically written to be as broadly relatable as possible. Gender reveal is one thing that is not going to happen no matter what.

>>3807202
>Next day Susie is going to wonder how church Darkners got into Castletown.
Interesting that the recruitable ones are already there if you go back on a completed save.
Also interesting that it specifically blocks off Seam's shop, so he doesn't take the Shadow Crystal.

>>3807202
>Spoiler
Funny thing about that actually, they're already there. You can still go in the cafe, for no other tangible reason then to see the interactions they have with the other darkners.
If the knight was bringing them there, they already did so they wouldnt need to wait

What're your favorite two characters?
>queen
>ramb
Teehee

>>3807204
>>3807207
I know about that, I kinda like to imagine this part is done out of necessity, to give us Mike fight and some Dark world interaction in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if it will be removed when chapter 5 drops.

>>3807207
Lanino mistaking Miss Mizzle for Elnina and Elnina getting jealous was hilarious.

>>3807210
You dont need to reload to know the password to the mike zone, nor do you need to look it up because I and a few others got the idea immediately (Literally just spell mike with a numpad). And while it'd be out of the way, he didnt NEED to let us see the dialogue naturally, it couldve all been put in the code for dataminers and hackers to reveal. I understand the idea, but I dont think its strong enough reasoning for him to implement something with such lore implications (Who the fuck opened the door) that he'll just remove later anyway

>>3807159
Ooh, we're doing retarded wrong theories? Okay, here's mine - Dess is Kris' biological mother
>is actually Noelle's aunt
>got pregnant as a teen, father is human
>Carol wanted to hush it up, so she asked her neighbors to adopt the baby
>Dess was living in Carol's house and pretending to be Noelle's sister to be close to her son
>began dating Asriel at some point
>Toriel knew Dess is actually much older than him so she killed her in a fit of rage
>Kris is distancing himself from Noelle because she began to fall in love with him, not knowing he's her cousin

>>3807284
I think you're being a little ridiculous to call a theory about interpreting a gender ambiguous character as a potential candidate for a vague role involving a gendered character. You'd have more ground to stand on if they were arguing that Ralsei is actually the girl from the prophecy.

>>3807297
>about interpreting a gender ambiguous character as a potential candidate for a vague role involving a gendered character
That's inherently the problem
Toby is not gonna make his they/them human bullshit into an actual plot point, it's just something he does with his characters sometimes and he has always refused to elaborate on it
>Skip

>>3807308
>nonbinary characters aren't allowed to exist unless their gender identity is a plot point somehow
what is this, 2014?

>>3807284
>it's retarded and wrong
>why???? it just is!!!!
ok

>>3807159
kris trying to btfo the prophecy by saying shes a they/them is all but confirmed

>>3807159
I like this theory, but besides the problem of "No way in hell is Toby doing that", I think it makes things too confusing. Although soul/Kris/Ralsei as the heroes would fit with the RBG scheme (yes, RBG, not RGB, it's placed that way in the goner maker), you end up with a party of a "human", a human, and the prince, which doesn't fit the silhouettes in the ch4 prophecy world's end panel OR Ralsei's version which says that one of the heroes is a monster.

is there any thread on /v/ currently or is everything down

>>3807655
Just got jannied

>>3807656
they just got one in a minute an 13 seconds

>>3807655
made an undertale thread and it got sniped 1 reply in.
Seems now is not a good time

>>3807655
All threads are being sniped/auto-saged.

well, it is the weekend. Janny has nothing going on on his life so he just dedicates himself to sniping threads. For now let's stay here.

I'll ask a question that I like asking in these threads because it often leads to fun discussion: When did you first play Deltarune? 2018head here, it's very nice to see how far we've come.

The prophecies we hear in chapter 1 and 4 don't have a reason not to align with each other, so I'm thinking if the possibilty for alternate candidates to fulfill the roles of three heroes are red herrings in themselves.

Taking for example the FemKris theory, which in itself doesn't really work if the second hero is meant to be a monster (Kris could be interpreted as one during Weird Route but still), but my bigger problem then is about the first hero. Who else is meant to be "the cage with human parts"? Noelle could be a new cage, but she's a monster. We can't count on Vessel making a comeback since for all we know it could be rotting in a dump.

>>3807687
2018 here, too. It's wild how many newheads have no clue how the fanbase was like back then.

>>3807687
when toby first uploaded the survey program, I remember still being in a cramped apartment at uni while trying to beat jevil on my crappy laptop and then jumping into the threads that at the time were just chaosposting or complaining jevil was harder than sans and there were people that genuinely thought ralsei was a girl
now I graduated and have a job and deltarune is still not finished

>>3807687
I didn't play until Chapter 2 dropped in 2021, but as somebody who watched a longplay in 2018, I instantly fell in love with Susie.

>>3807687
Chapter 2. I completely ignored Undertale and chapter 1, then I started seeing fan art of some badass purple dino girl and decided ah fuck why not.

>>3807687
Precisely ten days ago. I had some passing interest in the community pretty much since Undertale came out, but haven't played the games themselves until recently when I caught onto the Roaring Knight's hype.
I wrapped up UT's True Pacifist and all four chapters in a week and now I am agonizing over having to wait until next year, so I can't imagine the pain people went through between chapters 2 and 3+4.

>>3807687
i was one of the many who braved the survey_program when it first came out, even still have it lying around on my hard disk
won't lie i wasn't expecting it to take so long i'm likely to be in my 30s by the time it's finished, but i've enjoyed every chapter so i can't complain too much

>>3807688
>We can't count on Vessel making a comeback since for all we know it could be rotting in a dump.
Rotting in a dump with special options if you start after Chapter 1, one of which isn't the default. Seems pointless if it wasn't making a comeback.

>>3807687
That Halloween in 2018 was a magical day, and the hype leading up to it on /v/ with people on one side saying that the gaster tweets meant nothing and the other side who was hyping it up (but not even they guessed how far the survey program would actually go)
That feeling when we made it to the door and you thought the "survey" would be over, only for it to keep going was priceless

>>3807687
i first played ch2 about a week after it came out but saw a friend of mine play survey program halloween 2018
i have the first sighting of sans seared into my brain

>>3805604
>And so wept the falling star, making rivers with its tears.
>Then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew. It looked like glass.
Also see the Bitter Tear item
>Isn't that rain? (Susie)
>It's like when we ate snow. (Noelle)

I want to do lewd things to Martlet

>>>/v/715900365
>Ramb sitting in a plastic chair in a dimly lit room cradling his head in his hands
I hope anon sees their request

>>3807721
Remember when uninstalling survey_program would fuck up your pc?

>>3807805
yeah that's part of the reason why i never did, pretty sure i'd be fine but when it barely takes any space on a side drive i don't really feel like testing it

>>3807805
>uninstalling survey_program would fuck up your pc
what the fuck, I downloaded the original version the day it was posted, what would happen if I got rid of it? was this intentional?

>>3807808
Toby, being the wiz kid that he is, made it so that the uninstaller for it deleted EVERYTHING in the folder the game was on. So if you uninstalled the game, it would delete everything even if it wasn't for the game, leading to very funny results.

>>3807809
fucking kino
YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN FROM NOW ON indeed. I remember people on those first threads saying it was a virus, it made the whole experience feel all the more secretive and spooky

Who would you have a drink with?
Who would you play vidya with?
Who would you fug?
Who would you kill on sight?

>>3807815
Drink with Ramb and Gerson
Kill Jevil and Spamton
Play vidya with and fuck mantle and knight

>>3807815
>Who would you have a drink with?
ramb
>Who would you play vidya with?
battat
>Who would you fug?
knight
>Who would you kill on sight?
eram

>>3807815
Gerson
Ramb/Eram
Knight
Spamton

Why was Kris like that? What did she even do.

>>3807795
wrong thread buddy

>>3807308
>Toby is not gonna make his they/them human bullshit into an actual plot point
but it is bro
it's meant to fool you into thinking kris is just a self insert character, leading to the scene at the end of chapter 1 where you discover you were completely wrong

>>3807177
hold on, isn't gerson's appearance confirmation alvin made the fountain? a dead person can't appear in anyone's fountain, only someone with a close connection, according to ralsei

>>3807828
Gerson was the teacher of the abandoned classroom's class
Could be one of his students

>>3807826
that was only valid with the original idea when chapter 1 was the demo and the rest of the game would come out at once
it is taking so long and the game is broken in parts now so everyone has examined every single pixel under a microscope in the WAIT until the next chapter, that the "kris isnt you" thing isnt a shock anymore

>>3807832
>the "kris isnt you" thing isnt a shock anymore
that's fine though, it's a reveal
once it's revealed it's not a surprise anymore
>>3807829
this is true, i still think it's very possible alvin created the fountain. mostly because it's implied he's part of the conspiracy group when he tells kris to stay away from the shelter
the more i think about it, the more i wonder whether the knight has created any of the fountains in the light world. it doesn't seem to 'behave' like a typical lightner in its physical form and mannerisms. is the mayor organizing people to open fountains to help the knight move from one place to another?

>>3807834
>carol could have opened the second chapter's dark fountain, the "boss" is queen and the fountain is aligned with Noelle in general
>alvin could have opened the fourth, the "boss" is gerson
>obviously Kris opens up the chapter 3 fountain and the dark world is aligned with Kris
hmm
who opened the chapter 1 fountain?

>>3807699
>that ralsei face sprite
I always thought his scarf was his mouth open wide back when I first played Deltarune. Realizing that it was a scarf completely shook my world kek

>>3807829
As great as Alvin is, from what we know of Dess she doesnt strike me as the kind of person who would appreciate him as much as Susie did by the end, so if nothing else I think that is strong evidence the knight did not personally make the church fountain

>>3807844
As great as GERSON is, fug

>>3807829
Dess Knighters win again.

>>3807837
Kris. He's the only one whose Dark World is identical to the Knight's.

>>3807815
>drink
gerson
>vidya
ramb
>fug
knight
>kill
THAT [Long-Nosed] [SEMITE] LIFEFORM

I think I have an idea now, what do you two+ think?
>Gerson was in contact with the Knight, treating it as some word of god rather than direct commands from something malevolent
>Under their word, he dug up Gerson's hammer and placed it in his desk
>He was told to cancel choir practice that night to leave the church empty, and did the motions to open a dark world, again not knowing thats what he was doing exactly
>Either the shock of the room filling with darkness lead to him passing out, or the knight was waiting in the closet to knock him out and left him in it before the fountain fully formed so he could not make contact the fun gang
>By the time Chapter 5 happens, he'll have woken up and discovered the church torn apart with several things missing. Instead of Kris and Susie being blamed, he blames himself for this and whatever "Thing" told him to go this far. He may simply not know susie well enough to believe she wrote the letter given how childish the handwriting and grammar is and not want to blame a regular child for it
>He will still however tell the entire town what happened, some believe him some dont, some even allude to his story being similar to "That one case with Asgore", but the fact the Church was destroyed in undeniable and no one believes Alvin would do this for attention
>This, combined with the disappearance of the chief of police, the sabotage of Toriel's car gone unanswered, and Carol wanting to avoid Susie hurting her only daughter left, cancels the festival outright (On weird route however, its kept on much to the concern of a majority of the town because Noelle INSISTS on going to it with Kris)
Just barely over 2k with the last bit one sec

>>3807865
>Normal Route: Noelle makes a fountain where the festival wouldve been as it's the final straw to break her. Her one chance to hang out with Susie alone and confess torn away, especially after hearing Susie suggest she and Kris hang out at his place instead
>Weird Route: Asgore creates it in Flower King after seeing Toriel buy flowers for Sans, maybe with some egging on from the Knight the same way they influenced Alvin to make a fountain. If he cant win back his wife, he can at least prove to everyone he isnt crazy in a final bid

>>3807866
Actually, Im amending this on further thought. I think Noelle would rather make the fountain in her own home, maybe even the basement. Not just because Toby doesnt want to show what a fountain in an open space does yet, but it opens a lot more possibilites. What prompts the Kris and Susie to go there is Susie realizing a bit too late that Noelle is extremely upset (If she did offer Noelle to come over too, she denied it outright), and they end up being unable to call either her or Carol. They go to her house, we see how Kris sneaks in for a bit of comedy, the front door's unlocked and they can see darkness pouring out, the rest plays out as you'd expect. Noelle doesnt need any push from the Knight to do this, she still remembers the "Dream" and likely tried it on a desperate whim to feel better.

How likely it is that Deltarune will borrow the twist from Mother 3 and reveal that all of the light world and its past was a lie?

>>3807872
I don't think we're going to see a fountain in Noelle's house just yet. Have you seen the shit in there? It's some endgame stuff.

>Stealth thread was /pol/ed.
Keky. That's new.

>>3807879
>It's some endgame stuff.
That makes it perfect for what would have been a 3+5 launch then right? It doesnt make sense to have it in Chapter 6 and save tying this romantic plot thread for after the supposed festival. The only reason it could get one is if Noelle has a reason to make one

>>3807880
link?

>>3807894
>>>/pol/510842260

>>3807879
if chapter 7 isnt the bunker or something extremely outlandish, its going to be the entirety of the holiday house as a massive dark world with different branches.
>the basement's layout is perfect for a cohesive dark world
>dess's room, has seemingly random collections of things.
>they have a second storage room thats not the basement
>all the hearts around the house (human looking darkners?)
>carol/rudy's bedroom, likely has a lot of shit.
>[ice palace]

>>3807880
>You have been banned from /v/ for posting >>715911716, a violation of Rule 8:
>If you want to talk about politics, go to /pol/.
>Your ban was filed on July 19th, 2025 and expires on July 22nd, 2025 at 19:22 ET, which is 2 days and 23 hours from now.
Lol, lmao even.

>>>/v/715924712
the jokes write themselves.

Though, to be fair, seems like other threads about payment processors were removed from /v/ as well. Maybe if we try to mimic as DK threads, they will be cleaned up as well?

>>3807906
seems like the mod is on a ban drive again, for everyone else best stay away from /v/ for the time being.
>someone tries making a stealth thread
>it was just a CRT thread with a hidden FRIEND in the tv static
>call out the op for being too stealthy
>get hit with this warning as the thread is deleted.
pretty rich, honestly.
"quality of posts is extremely important" my ass, UT(Y)/DR threads are a good example of high quality posting.
>minimal shitposters
>actual discussion about the game dominates most threads, even years after the last major release
>decent output of OC (the yellow threads even have a bunch of devanons making fangames)
meanwhile, these threads get deleted with their posters banned/warned while the 50th concurrent political thread is allowed to hit the bump limit and there's an actual AI general.
>inb4 global three day for [complaining about moderation]

>>3807908
There's a thread up. Don't read. The books. Don't!

>>3807921
Its funny seeing someone mention the v threads getting nuked everytime since I dont even really check them, Im content throwing my thoughts here and potentially waiting a day or two for someone to say anything about them

>>3807921
I've been hit with the same warning few days ago for saying "is this the thread". Might as well use the /pol/ thread in the meantime.

>>3807921
I got hit with both a one-day and a three-day ban for a thread I made about a week back. Seems like the jannies really don't want people to discuss Deltarune.
Funny thing is that they started getting trigger-happy close to DK Bananza's release. Maybe that one anon who suggested that the jannies wanted to make room for DK Bananza threads was onto something.

>>3807931
>Maybe that one anon who suggested that the jannies wanted to make room for DK Bananza threads was onto something.
its more because deltarune's momentum was enough to outshine bananza.
right now even, it doesnt have a thread with a >100 post count on the front page if you sort by posts per minute.. the only one that is, is a 20 post anti-bananza thread and the first thread that does have more than a hundred posts is on the third ppm page

>>3807921
>seems like the mod is on a ban drive again, for everyone else best stay away from /v/ for the time being.
I'll be the hero.

>>3807937
>>>/v/715926565

has anyone tried something real goofy like making a lord of the hammer thread on /lit/?

>>3807940
unfortunately the janny knows the dragon blazer's trick.

>>3807942
i am NOT sharing a board with those niggers.

>>3807942
No, that'd actually be obnoxious and would justify their vendetta against us. When it's just videogame threads on the videogame board being deleted, it's clear who's at fault.

>>3807940
If we are just linking threads now, there's already a thread up.
>>>/v/715920734

>>3807940
I do genuinely wonder what the fuck kind of RPG Dragon Blazers is supposed to be if it's following Undertale's Kill/Spare thing. It has an entire skill tree with offensive magic and yet you get the evil route for playing it like any other rpg? Does it have monsters that do need to die, or does Rudy just not really care that Noelle is playing a game where you violently murder innocents with him? Surely its not just undertale's story with the terms swapped out like a shitty madlib right? Or is it like baldurs gate where you have the ability to fight any npc so you have to actually be a susie level dumbass to think killing everything possible is a good idea

>mod decides to seethe and nuke deltarune threads
>people keep making stealth threads and thus litter the board
>wouldnt have happened if well enough was left alone

>>3807954
3, actually
>>>/v/715926650

I was going to say maybe don't link them here but honestly the janny is such a troglodyte that he probably doesn't even know this board exists.

>>3807961
he does i got a ban from these threads before.

>>3807961
Janny studied up on Deltarune lore to delete even the most stealthiest of threads, its the highest form of faggotry ive ever seen in the past decade here

>>3807964
Well if that's the case.
Janny, give it a rest, mate. Deltarune's too popular for you to just stamp out all discussion about it. It's literally just you against at least more than a dozen people. Literally none of this would have happened if you just treated deltarune like any other game on the catalog. It's just going to keep happening because at the end of the day people talk about videogames on the videogame board, and deltarune is a very popular game.
If you're concerned about thread or board quality, maybe stamp out the constant "videogames are healing" threads that are just softcore porn? Or maybe beef with the Nikke guys, who I see literally have a thread up 24/7, even though they *also* have a general. You also seem to let the AI guys have a "containment" thread just fine. Why not allow the same for an actual game?

>>3807970
oh its not a janny, its a whole ass moderator thats actually getting paid to do this.

that mod has barneyfag-tier autism

>>3807978
ehh, tomato tomato. They're janitors all the same.
>thats actually getting paid to do this.
You get paid for being a moderator in this shithole? Jesus. I'd rather work as an actual real life janitor. That unironically has more dignity.

>>3807982
>You get paid for being a moderator in this shithole?
i mean, i can only assume so given that there's the distinction.

>>3807956
SMT styled fight/talk, maybe?

>>3807982
If youre an actual janitor, you at least have the potential to act like Scruffy, 4jannies have no such hopes

>>3807988
I suppose, but my main concern lies in the fact its described as if it plays like a regular turn based, trading blows rpg and yet every mention of actually killing anything is in reference to it's evil route. When they describe it I just think of something like DQ1 but if you kill a slime the npcs call you out for it, and that doesnt sit right with me. Combine that with Kris not liking games where you fight people anymore, and Noelle doing the evil route intentionally being something that points to her violent tendencies, it feels like the game is saying "If you liked any rpg that isnt Undertale, you may be a bad person deep down"
That or Im thinking WAY too deep into it and Dragon Blazers is just meant to be the Undertale of their universe, its probably that. Deltatraveler has ruined my ability to take "Killing bad" seriously anymore

>>3808001
I think you're looking way too deep into it my man

>>3808001
Toby doesn't think "killing bad". He had an entire interview about it.

>>3808003
Alright, but if there isnt a single justifiable kill in Deltarune (Im not counting the titan being sealed, I mean something that feasibly could be spared) or killing something like the spawn comes back to bite the players later, Im going to stop believing that

>>3808001
>Kris not liking games where you fight people anymore
He just doesn't likes playing games in general now. Then again, he doesn't likes doing much anyway, seems like he's mostly sleeping, eating and wandering around town these days.

>>3808001
Yeah I think you're looking at it too narrowly. Dragon Blazers 2 isn't analogous to Undertale, it's analogous to Deltarune.
>Noelle mentions a "secret" evil route
Compared to genocide, the Weird Route is significantly more hidden. This makes it the hidden evil route.
>Susie does it on accident
You could say all she does is mash attack, but we learn from the Tenna minigame she just loves using whatever tool she has available. If the hidden evil route comes when you're given a new spell, Susie wouldn't ignore it, and would do it by accident by mashing on the new tool she got
and most importantly
>It's Dragon Blazers 2, not Dragon Blazers 1
Undertale came first. Deltarune is the release after Undertale. Deltarune is Dragon Blazers 2.

>>3808012
the dragon blazers games could also be interpretations of the chapters themselves.
DB1 is chapter 1 (the dragon stopped)
DB2 is chapter 2 (queen's chariot, the forbidden path that started with ice magic)

>>3808005
Define "kill" in the context of Deltarune

Reminder the prophecy supposedly comes from the Angel.

>>3808020
I understand where you're coming from but Catti is not the most reliable source in the game.

>>3808012
Yeah, that's fair enough. Im overreacting, that's a way more reasonable dissection
>>3808018
I still however want to see a justified kill. By that, I mean I want something like the flowey choice at the end of neutral. Give me both options, dont force one of them on me, and tell me I made a mistake by not pulling the trigger when I shouldve. It doesnt need to be a world ending cataclysm mistake, and the result doesnt need to be immediate (in fact Id prefer if it wasnt, just to mess with people who would reverse their save after) but still something bad should come as a result for not having the strength of will to do what's needed. The titan doesnt count because not only is it pretty much a beefed up wild beast, you dont get the choice one way or the other. Thats why I brought up the Spawn, if killing them is later said to be something I shouldnt have done, or sparing them only leads to a good/better outcome like every other darkner, I will be pissed.

>>3808021
More realible than all Player Angel evidence desu.

>>3808023
If the game has up to this point made it so the Titan (arguably) and its spawn are the only things you can actually kill, then you can probably infer that it's not a game about killing like Undertale was. Like maybe we'll get a boss later on where we straight-up kill it, but even if we don't why would it matter?

>>3808024
player angel mostly comes from symbolism. I believe that the angel can represent multiple characters either way. Noelle for example, is clearly set up to become the angel at some point.

>>3808026
>player angel mostly comes from symbolism
No, it comes from retardation like screen reflection theory.

>>3808025
At this point it only matters to me because Toby supposedly doesnt believe killing is always bad, and yet every chance I get to do that over sparing its considered a moral wrong thus far. Even if you kill Flowey he rubs it in your face that he was right, and if you spare him the game doesnt continue you to show the consequences of that anyway. I want him to prove he does think there are times where killing is justified and that it's a deliberate choice you need to make, instead of saying everytime you get the chance to, no matter the situation, it is always a moral good to let it live.
tl;dr its personal beef now, I dont think deltarune will be a worse story if it doesnt happen

>>3808027
I think the most blatant one isn't the screen one but the angel doll literally falling on top of the heart in the basement in chapter 4. If you don't think that's symbolism you're just being plain stubborn man.

>>3808029
Just because a video game creator makes one (1) video game about a certain thing does not mean he thinks that thing should be applied to all video games ever. And besides that, Undertale is "about" killing only as a means to explore the player's relationship with the game world.

>>3808032
That could just mean we possess the Angel, not that we are it.

>>3808032
So you're saying we're inside the angel
Like we're inside Kris

>>3808036
True, true. However, that (1) game spawned the people who wrote deltatraveler and now genuinely believe that killing in any context is bad. Forgive me for wanting to see Toby truly correct that, it would simply be cathartic if it happened

>>3808036
>>3808043
if toby wants to break the own mold he set up with undertale, then weird route has to be mandatory to get the true ending
no ifs, no buts, you have to do it

Listening to Field of Hopes and Dreams makes me so happy bros. I honestly don't think Toby will ever top it.

>>3808043
Deltatraveler completely fails character writing in general, I wouldn't label people like that as representative of the game's impact of games in general.
Of people's impact on Deltarune though... jesus christ. It has been painful watching playthroughs where people take the most direct signposting of "ONLY FIGHT NOW" and proceed to die because they refused to take the game's word that fighting is okay now. Seeing people refuse to hit the FIGHT button despite Queen very directly saying "it's time to fight (only)" was absolutely mind numbing. These are probably the same people who intentionally died to asgore like 20 times because they didn't get the message from him literally destroying the Mercy button.

>>3808029
I mean, killing people is generally a thing bad guys do, expect when it's in the case of irredeemable ultimate evil types like the Titans who don't have a concept of mercy.

>>3808047
I don't think Toby is going to make traumatizing and using them as accessory to murder be a requirement for a good or true ending. That just seems ridiculous, if you're going out of your way to hurt people you're kind of the bad guy and if you commit to it like in chapter 4 I don't know how you expect committing to being the villain of the story to end up in any way other than a bad end for the characters.

>>3808043
See I mostly don't give a shit about Undertale's broader fandom so I don't have the same mentality as you. If I wanted to deal with those people then I'd just make a fan game of my own addressing any problems I have with them instead of expecting Toby to do it for me.

>>3808053
no one said the true ending has to be good
besides we don't know the actual end goal of the weird route yet

>>3808053
>I don't think Toby is going to make traumatizing and using them as accessory to murder be a requirement for a good or true ending
Obviously not, but it's absolutely going to give a huge hint on how to actually avert fate. Then, when people have discovered this and made the knowledge public, everyone will start coping about how they managed to get the good ending without doing genocide, and that if you had to do it to find it out then you're a bad person, etc etc
Undertale's Genocide route has taught me that everyone will find every single cope they can to justify why you're bad for engaging with the game.

>>3808050
It really is one of the stronger tracks in the game.

>>3808056
>I'd just make a fan game of my own addressing any problems I have with them instead of expecting Toby to do it for me.
I planned to but I cant do pixel art and converting UT's tiles to RPG Maker is a pain in the ass because they're 20x20 and the engine Im using needs 64x64 so for now its in limbo if I ever do go back to try finishing it

>>3808058
if the weird route sets a flag that is needed to "unlock" the true route, then people will start importing save files to bypass it to avoid "accountability"
unless youre on console then youre fucked

>>3808060
don't the latest versions let you use scripts to change the tile size?
did anyone even managed to replicate the battle system using a script too?

>>3808051
>see the knight do the terrible wendigo screech and the most intense music starts playing right after
>haha I'll ACT surely you can reason with this otherwordly shadow creature that hasn't said a single word and just pulled out a sword
I hate normalfags so much it's unreal

>>3808063
>don't the latest versions let you use scripts to change the tile size?
Im using MV, and I have no coding or scripting knowledge so I dont know how feasible that is.
>did anyone even managed to replicate the battle system using a script too?
I wasnt planning to actually, it was just turn based "fight until 0 hp" logic with some ACTing thrown in when it's fitting for extra effects. The game would take 0 hp as a violent spare so grinding isnt a thing save for gold and potentially item drops (assuming I dont make those ACT exclusive), and instead of dodging you have a self heal act and no ability to run so you actually feel the pressure of being in a world where everything hurts you and you just want to survive rather than eradicate. Had a whole thing too, you play as the Purple soul in Frisk's place which is why
>You dont have free movement, only grid movement
>You cant run from battles, you need to Perservere
>Your self heal is the reflection of that perserverence
Granted, didnt get around to testing if any of this was actually fun and balanced well so maybe the whole thing would get thrown out on that alone anyway. Youd also get other skills based on the other soul types as the game goes on to keep things interesting, potentially even just learning magic outright. I want Justice to give a temporary LV boost for instance

If Ralsei became a real boy and got into college, what would he major in?

>>3808057
I don't think there has nessecary be a defined goal, we're playing as the red soul and mostly we're just fucking around to see what happens.
So I think that's the goal of the weird route, to try to break the game and see what happens as a result.

>>3808058
I think fate is going to be avoided no matter what, literally nobody, not even Ralsei seems to want the prophecy to come to pass due to whatever tragedy occurs. I don't really see why becoming the main villain of the game would be required in order to get the good ending either.
If there is a secret good ending, it's probably Kris collecting of the trauma eggs and confronting what happened in the past. Which is narratively at odds with the weird route and schizo shit since you can't complete the egg quest on it.

If Dess is Knight, what if she tried to kidnap Toriel not because of the prophecy stuff, but because she has some personal beef to settle with her? We know how protective Toriel was towards Asriel, and from what we've heard from Tenna, I don't think Toriel was happy with Dess being a bad influence on her kids. I can totally see them locking horns constantly.

>>3808078
Reminder that the variable that turns the black deer in MANTLE into the shadow monster that mirrors your movements is "toriel"

>>3808078
I cannot look at the Knight slowly hovering right over Susie and using a slow easily interrupted beam wave that's easily interrupted by Susie simply reaching up and grabbing its leg, and then see it go bird mode and easily just grab Undyne and fly away, and seriously believe that Toriel was the actual target.

>>3808087
I'm pretty sure Susie is literally the only character who isn't smurfing the whole time
Ralsei was able to obliterate a darkner with 1300+ HP in like 3 hits and is HEAVILY implied to be concealing fire spells, Kris has X-Slash and probably more shit we don't know about (hey we've never seen what Kris's knife turns into) and the Knight put up a bunch of kayfabe bullshit when she could've just swooned them from the get-go and taken Toriel if she really needed to
Why is staging a bunch of failed Toriel abductions part of their plan? I have no fucking clue

>>3808087
The biggest weakness of Toby's writing style is it's literally impossible to tell whats done purely for drama and whats a very intentional detail thats might to foreshadow something later. A scene like this in ANY other rpg would be considered standard fare, you kinda have to make people act stupid or inefficiently for the tension to naturally rise, but that is not the case with Robert Foxtrot

Why do you still come looking for threads? What are you looking for?

>>3808128
>3 threads again

>>3807903
>most Deltarune posters are South American or Russian
>one of the "cute humans" guys is C*nadian
>another one pussied out and hid behind memeflag
INTERESTING
VERY INTERESTING

>>3808145
i'm not going to lie to you
i just wanted to post femkris
t. leaf

I keep wondering if Knight trying to kidnap Toriel was a complete misdirection, and she was targeting someone else both times - Undyne in chapter 3, Noelle or Alvin in chapter 4.

>>3808172
There are a lot subtle hints the whole story is a lie, like the Knight's reaction if you don't get hit, Ralsei not telling everything he knows or Kris working against Susie by opening the bunker door or talking to whoever is on the phone.

My shot in the dark to explain this are the Knight, Kris and Carol trying to force the prophecy to happen by planning and staging all these events.

>>3808176
Yeah, no shit, I was just thinking why Toriel specifically.
>Knight, Kris and Carol trying to force the prophecy
I also keep wondering if Carol is actually working with the Knight, or she and Asgore are running their own scheme.

Okay so tell me if I got this right.
>Dess and Asriel, though some series of events, were exploring Dark Worlds by themselves and maybe with another Darkner
>They screw up, Dess is utterly lost in one of the dark worlds that closes or gets sealed, and nobody even knows which dark world she's in or how to get back into it. Similar to how the Dark World Susie opens changes from the one she was in previously based on her expectations of what is in the Dark, nobody can open a new Dark World to get Dess out because their expectations are that she's lost.
>Asriel runs away to college after who knows how long of making no progress on getting her back.

>Through another series of events, Kris manages to find Dess independently, and decides it's not possible for him to rescue her alone and instead leaves his human soul with her so she's not alone in the dark.
>This culminates in the Vessel being created/taken so someone can gift (You) to Kris so he can return to the Dark Worlds.

>The Knight, Carol, Kris are all on the same 'Save Dess' team and have already hatched a plan to cause the prophecy or prevent people from stopping it, which they reason will directly result in Dess being found.
>We are here

>>3808178
>I also keep wondering if Carol is actually working with the Knight, or she and Asgore are running their own scheme.

I think all characters have their own agendas, and their schemes are all layered onto each other.

>Kris, Knight and Carol trying to force the prophecy
>Undyne and Alvin might be pawns in Carol's scheme, but do not know as much
>Kris being a double agent and working against them, maybe he is trying to protect Susie and Noelle
>Kris and Ralsei trying to keep the soul (You) in check by denying it key information, but Ralsei seems to not fully know what the prophecy actually is about
>Asgore researching his conspiracy, him sneaking at the mansion to get the photo suggests he is doing this against Carol, maybe she knows about it and letting him do it is part of her plans
>Seam collecting the Shadow Crystals
>Whatever Sans is doing there, might end up as nothing
>Whatever the hell Gaster and the Forgotten Man's intentions are. Sometimes they seem to be the same, sometimes they seem to be against each other.
>Whatever the fuck the Soul (You) is trying to achieve through the weird route

>>3808182
I also forgot
>Voice who took the vessel away, probably not Gaster but he doesn't seem to be that bothered by that later on

>>3808178
>I was just thinking why Toriel specifically.

It might be

>Making Susie worried about Toriel
>Tricking them into going to the church

>>3808182
kris is probably stuck in a triple trucies situation, likely very similar to what was going on in ch2
at first glance it seems like he's working with carol and/ or the knight, but then why does kris fight harder against them when susie and ralsei are down? there's no appearances to keep up if kris truly didn't want to fight the knight he could've just stopped fighting
then there's kris working with susie and ralsei, kris clearly cares a lot about the two of them, there's enough evidence to suggest that susie is the best thing to happen to kris in a very long time, and if (you) let kris comfort ralsei it seems like the two of them finally get a genuine bonding moment for the both of them
and lastly there's kris putting up with (you), clearly there's more to it than just working with the knight, kris clearly hates (you) to the point of nearly killing himself by the end of ch4 snowgrave, if running out of hp in the light world does cause death, surely whatever reason kris has must be more than just the promise, in snowgrave it doesn't seem worth it even despite how little info we have about it

>>3808203
>why does kris fight harder against them when susie and ralsei are down?
what if he isn't?
what if it's the knight taking it easy cause it's just kris left and he's working with them?

>>3808203
>kris clearly hates (you) to the point of nearly killing himself by the end of ch4 snowgrave
I feel there might be an element of self hatred there.
Eram taunting Kris in the weird route might be bullshit as much as it might be telling the truth there.
Combine this with Noelle's history of play the evil route hidden from her parents in Dragon Blazers and torturing her pets in cat petterz, maybe even her anger against Berdly and her masochist tendencies. And also Kris history of being a little shit and scaring Noelle for fun, and growing up to be an edgelord.
He might be enjoying it deep down and he hates himself for it.

>>3808145
>Barely any Shart Americans.
The reason why our threads are so good.

>>3808096
I don't understand how you take away that from Toby's writing, yeah did the 'people lying to papyrus thing' have no resolution in Undertale? sure it did but everything else was treated pretty seriously.

>>3808096
Yeah but this wasn't a problem with Undertale because it came out as a finished product. It's purely an issue because of Deltarune's episodic release schedule and the theory spam cancer that has arisen from that.

I really do wonder: how much better Deltarune would be if it had released as a finished product?
Would it look even remotely similar? Most of it is clearly designed around episodic release e.g. the cliffhanger chapter endings, mountain of inter-NPC interactions in castle town, minigames, etc

None of this crap would need to be in the game if it dropped in one go

>>3807687
ever since the first release of chapter 1, back then I was immensely spoiled on what happens on Undertale
so when I first heard of this supposed "sequel" to the game, I immediately jump my ass off to play it so I don't repeat the same mistakes again I was in high school during ch. 1, that's also when I started lurking on 4chan (not for DR/UT related, just passing interest)
it was fun looking back when I first got to interact again to the UT monster cast, especially sans
oh how things have changed...

>>3807815
ramb
ramb
eram/mantle
myselfif possessing kris

>>3808178
I think it's just a coincidence, getting Toriel to call the cops was the easiest way to bring Undyne over, and according to the phone call the church world was supposed to be set up after choir practice was over and was only pushed up when Susie grabbed the guitar.
Unless Toriel's in on it and used the rain as an excuse to cancel choir practice and Sans as an alibi.

posting this here since I'd liked to see if some of my predictions (tragedy part of the prophecy) would end up being true
you can share some of your predictions too as well anon, it'd be fun looking back once future chapters are out

>surface level guess
one of the main three has to will die or maybe Noelle will be the one to die (maybe thru a sacrifice)
>off shoot guesses
their memories on these adventures will need to be forgotten, with maybe an exception to one character (ala undertale reset)
the dark fountain of the closet has to be closed and both Kris and Susie must move on (escapism bad or something)
>batshit insane guesses
Kris has to kill someone (leaning on Susie) for the world to be saved
or even a switcharoo, someone has to kill Kris (weird route scenario)

>>3808271
Chapter 3 had a big ass cliffhanger and that was released together with 4. I don't think Toby wrote them just because we have an episodic release.

>>3808312
>their memories on these adventures will need to be forgotten, with maybe an exception to one character
and if that character brings memories back to the others it causes the tragedy again

>>3808312
I maintain that some version of "The Girl Destroys The Cage" is what makes the most sense given everyone's reactions.

>>3807815
>Who would you have a drink with?
Gerson
>Who would you play vidya with?
Ramb
>Who would you fug?
Knight
>Who would you kill on sight?
Knight (after fucking)

>>3808317
I just can't see this, it seems really dickish to Kris to have a scene where they're important to the conflict at hand and they're just ignored and mentioned as an afterthought again while Susie and Ralsei have another moment.

>>3808329
Note how it's preceded by two separate scenes of Susie staying by Kris' side instead of letting Kris deal with all the danger (the soul light power of friendship march, and the great dunking) and followed by a very melancholy town segment where Susie wants to keep Kris company, only leaves when she sees Toriel safe, and still doubles back to check up on Kris while reaffirming they will stop the prophecy together.

My favorite prediction I've thus far seen is something along the lines of "two of the heroes turn against each other, and one is slain." Nonspecific enough that Susie doesn't know if she's meant to be killed by one of her friends, kill one of her friends, or watch one of her friends kill the other. And Ralsei "obviously" wouldn't let there be a fight amongst the heroes.
On the opposite end, I can't see the final tragedy being something phrased in a way which suggests Ralsei is the one who's specifically going to die. If it did, I don't think Susie's reaction would've been "obviously YOU wouldn't let it happen;" her thinking would be more along the lines of "is that why you're so insistent on me not thinking you're real? Why you say we should just forget about you?" She might even be a little angry at Ralsei for accepting his death as inevitable so easily

>>3808355
>two of the heroes turn against each other, and one is slain
It looks kinda weird in the context of the overall prophecy. "In order for the worlds to be saved, heroes should turn on each other"
>I can't see the final tragedy being something phrased in a way which suggests Ralsei is the one who's specifically going to die
On one hand, if Ralsei knew he was the one who was supposed to die he wouldn't have tried so hard to make Lightners like him. On the other hand, he is kind of an idiot when it comes to things like that and I can totally see him making that kind of blunder.

The main reason why I think it's specifically Susie having to kill someone is because Ralsei since the start of chapter 1 has been trying to get Susie to be nice and pacifist instead of a violent bully. Chapter 4 he admits it was all because he wanted to change the prophecy, that if he could get them all especially Susie to be nice then the prophecy would change. But in order for Susie to have that kind of reaction, she would need to kill someone very close to her.

>>3808380
it should also be noticed that ralsei doesnt care what kris does or tells people to do.
its only when the weird route is locked in that he says "but what if its worse?"

>>3808431
>noticed
noted

>>3808380
That's why I think Snowgrave was what Kris was supposed to do in the first place, the whole point is to desensitize Noelle to murder. Again, if Kris is intended target and Susie now knows it, it raises an interesting question - how is she going to react once she finds out that Kris is working with Knight? Even if Knight is working towards fulfilling the prophecy, Susie doesn't knows that, so she would assume that Kris betrayed her to save his own life.

>>3808203
>then there's kris working with susie and ralsei, kris clearly cares a lot about the two of them
I think Kris has developed a soft spot for having friends of some variety when he started this out not having any friends or socialization at all. He was a misanthrope, kind of like Chara was to Frisk, who heard about some plan to end the world and get Dess back and was all-in on it.

But now that they're learning that there's more to life than just brooding and being an edgy angstlord, he's having second thoughts and that's resulting in the seemingly contradictory behavior. He wants the Knight to beat his team and take Toriel, but he fights extra-hard when Ralsei and Susei are down because he can see with his own eyes the consequences of going along with this plan. He wants the Knight to take Toriel because he thinks she's a two-timing bitch, but doesn't actually want Toriel to die because he knows she has some good in her with how she saved Susie. He knows that for his plan to work, Susei, Ralsei, Dess, Noelle, everyone he knows may have to die, but he doesn't want to be the one with blood on his hands as seen in the weird route. He put his body in the hands of some potentially sociopathic alien who is treating his struggles as a video game, but doesn't want to live with the consequences of his life becoming a video game that ends up with his new friends getting hurt.

In short he's just a dumb teen, and he's just dumb and depressed enough to be manipulated by every single adult who had his ear just before we came into the picture. He would have done anything for them to make them happy before Chapter 1 started and we're seeing the fallout of that. He has the kind of personality that drug addicts who start when they're young have.

also ERAM is right in that there's a part of Kris chastising himself for not just treating the Dark Worlds as a video game with goals to 'win', but also treating reality and the real people he knows that way. Even if Kris thinks all of this is just a game and nothing really matters, that doesn't excuse treating the people he knows that way or putting them in the path of an unstoppable sociopathic soul that will do anything to "Win".

>>3808478
>some plan to end the world and get Dess back
The plan was never about ending the world, if anything, it's about saving it. Kris wasn't joining it for fun either, whatever happened to Dess had deeply affected him and he either outright blames himself or at least feels survivor's guilt.

>>3808486
>The plan was never about ending the world, if anything, it's about saving it.
Every single thing we've read about the prophecy indicates the potential end of the world. It's only the part about the heroes saving it that the Knight and Carol are actively trying to stop.

unbelievable that he's still sniping threads. Does he really have nothing better to do?

>>3808486
>>3808494
Feels like they're trying to trigger the Prophecy in a way where the Roaring takes as little time as possible and harms as few people as possible before the Angels Heaven is banished.

>>3808498
I've heard he is trying to get a raise

>>3808494
>It's only the part about the heroes saving it that the Knight and Carol are actively trying to stop.
How so? So far, the fountains were created with the goal of enacting different parts of prophecy. For the most part, Fun Gang acts as cleanup crew, closing fountains after they are no longer needed.

>>3808450
Snowgrave seems to break too much of the prophecy to be the true path. The queen's chariot isn't unstoppable and the other heroes die too early going off by the Mantle game.

>>3808498
thanks to him handing out 3 days like candy I can evade on every device. So congrats to him I guess, because now I shitpost as much as I want and the rules mean less than ever

>>3808509
announcing ban evasion isn't the smartest move but hey I doubt it matters to you.
Either way, Deltarune threads cannot be stopped.

>>3808494
I think they're like Ralsei and think the prophecy is inevitable, but they want to manipulate it to get what they want instead. Like Susie being the girl instead of Noelle, the Knight instead of Kris, etc.

>>3808506
>The queen's chariot isn't unstoppable
Actually, doesn't it skips the traffic jam that leads to Spamton encounter?
>the other heroes die too early going off by the Mantle game
Mantle game only follows things in broadest strokes. The first part was supposed to be about genocide route in Undertale but it only recreates it roughly.

For anyone seriously attempting to predict Deltarune: I believe chapters 3 and 4 have confirmed the proper way to predict stuff is to go off feelings/vibes and not thinking too hard about the lore, the plot or the rules.
The only good "evidence" for Dess Knight was the paralels with Asriel/Flowey, and that ended up being more important than trying to see which lightners were acting strange.

>>3808524
people were calling dess=knight the day chapter 2 came out lmao
I feel like it's more than just dess:knight::asriel:flowey
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/dess%20knight/order/asc/

>>3808516
>Actually, doesn't it skips the traffic jam that leads to Spamton encounter?
You go off path exactly before that.
The only way I see that idea working is if the plot went off course when Susie entered the classroom and Alphys sent her and Kris to get the chalk, thus not letting Noelle be in Chapter 1, and Snowgrave is an attempt at course correcting it.
This way, Noelle is the real "The Girl" and the sword in the glass image is the Twisted Sword.
>Spamton says he will "GET ON THE PATH TO... [[The Big One]]"
>He also sells The Big One, which turns out to be the Broken Sword
>Spamton sells you the Thorn Ring in the weird route
>Thorn Ring is needed to create the Twisted Sword

Considering the (now censored) connection between the Thorn Ring and roses, and the fact chapter 5 is 90% likely to be a flower chapter, I'll make a wild guess and say that the Thorn Ring will show up at Chapter 5 in the normal route.

>>3808531
But that was just one of the versions, and not even a particularly popular one.

>>3808534
>The only way I see that idea working is if the plot went off course when Susie entered the classroom and Alphys sent her and Kris to get the chalk, thus not letting Noelle be in Chapter 1, and Snowgrave is an attempt at course correcting it
That's the idea, there's a reason why chapter 2 fountain was deliberately created to make sure Noelle can't avoid it.

>>3808531
There were people saying Alphys was the knight because she likes anime too much and that ties to supposed escapism bad themes in the game.
The game was throwing a lot of hints for Kris Knight (and a bit for Alvin Knight), while Dess was so vague she could fulfill multiple roles like Dess Angel.

>>3808539
the real argument for alphys knight was how she was the only character who could be in the ch1 and 2 fountain locations without anyone raising an eyebrow, she also was the one who sent both kris and susie to the supply closet to begin with
interestingly enough she's also in the ch4 fountain location with a pretty good excuse

>>3808050
I love it too. It's the first song that plays as you explore the Dark World, and it makes me feel nostalgic for Halloween 2018.

>>3808531
Dess Knight was middling popular, but Kris, Papyrus, Alvin and the Mayor dwarfed her in popularity.

What did you make out of the ending scene of chapter 2?
I was one of the people who thought Kris just did it because he wanted to have fun in a dark world with Susie and maybe use the opportunity to show it to her mom, as well as proving dark worlds exist to Undyne.

Boy was I off the mark huh.

>>3808557
That he was the Knight, or working/connected to it. I was right.

>>3808557
I narrowed down Kris Knight as one of the few options a few days before release, but before that I thought Kris making the fountain was defying fate and they did it for power. I got the fate part wrong, but I still think there's something about the fountains themselves, not just the dark world, that's part of Kris and the Knight's plan, since the Knight doesn't stop you from sealing them. Probably purifying power or something.

What's the image limit here, by the way? 150, right?

>>3808557
i was more surprised than anything, but i think i came around to the idea of kris wanting to have a reconnecting adventure with toriel like with what happened with noelle
although i always found kris staring at susie before making the fountain odd, even now there isn't a clear explanation for that
was he making sure she was sleeping? steeling himself to make it? second guessing himself for doing it? i have no idea

>>3808557
>as well as proving dark worlds exist to Undyne.
I think that was my main idea. I discounted Kris as the Knight because Noelle and Berdly were in the middle of studying at the desks when the computer lab fountain was made, so it couldn't have been Kris. Slashing the tires so Toriel would call the cops, and leaving the door open for the cops to come inside, were both deliberate choices, so I felt the plan revolved around the cops showing up.

>>3808568
Yes

>>3808575
alright, time to be a little more conservative with image use, then.

>>3808557
My thoughts were
>Damn, so Kris is the Knight? I've been suspicious of him since chapter 1 but it does seem to be the kind of subversion Toby would do
>The story barely started and we're already getting this kind of reveal?
>Hold up, something doesn't feel right about this, there has to be something deeper.

>>3808557
>I was one of the people who thought Kris just did it because he wanted to have fun in a dark world
I was thinking the same too, combined with time loop theory so for me it was specifically "Kris knows starting tomorrow shit gets real and he wants one more good times adventure before that becomes impossible"
I suppose I was partially right in that regard, I dont think its a time loop (not one he's aware of at least, his reaction to chapter 4's ending is too genuine) but he definitely knew shit would only get worse after that night

>>3808596
It's interesting how Ramb directly addressed this interpretation in the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8EaruatFJc
funny how Toby's tumblr shitposts turned out to actually have a tip on a secret boss, people just focused on the wrong shitpost

>>3807687
Late August/early September of last year, right after I beat Undertale for the first time
kind of ashamed to admit that that game was a part of half my life but I only got around to beating it recently

>>3807687
That Halloween was magical. Chapter 1 was everything I loved about Undertale while correcting or sidelining almost everything I didn't like.
Then the new chapters came in years later and started doing the exact opposite.
I was in fucking high school when chapter 1 came out and I'm almost getting out of college but the game still has half of it to release.

>said i'll join him
>gave him the plushie
>when ralsei asked who i'm taking to the festival, said berdly
>said i'll take him to the festival over the phone
Am I missing anything?
Kris will get the BBC.

>>3808567
>>Probably purifying power or something.
>kris and the knight are intentionally buffing up (you)r power to purify darkness
>the knight is dark/star, so the knight is made of darkness
>the plan is possibly to make you strong enough to purify the darkshards that have corrupted the knight.
this is going to have catastrophic consequences, isnt it?

Can someone tell me how the hell people are hearing Gaster's theme in this?
I don't fucking get it. I can get WHY it would play there, since it's used for a "darker than dark" lore exposition, but I don't hear it at all. It's not the motif.

>>3808734
>low-mid-high-mid (repeat)
It's very clearly there

>>3808726
If it didnt this would be a horrible resolution, something HAS to go wrong. The game makes the distinction that "Purifying" isnt killing, or "Slaying". My bet?
It doesnt rub out the darkness, it pushes it away. There may be more light, but the shadows only grow darker in response. By purifying the knight, you will unleash something darker, yet darker. Something you may not have the power to slay anymore

>>3808738
This is the same reasoning that made people think it's in Rouxls Kaard

>>3808725
>berdly makes nerdly love to the human
>not "the bird comes into the cage"
you had ONE JOB

>>3808734
Four notes.

>>3808740
He is THE guy who people thought looked a bit too much like the Mystery Man all the way back.

Also, I believe the point of Gaster's theme being a very simple arpeggio is for you to hear it everywhere, much like how he became one with the universe.

>>3808739
>The game makes the distinction that "Purifying" isnt killing, or "Slaying". My bet?
funny thing on that. in one run i killed one titan spawn, purified the other, and got picrel
either they're stored in the same variable, or the fight's outcome is ridiculously hardcoded and the game doesnt properly track purifies/kills on DARK enemies yet.

>>3808748
Did you kill and then purify, or vice versa? Could be the game decides which stat it gives on the first one. Either way yeah I agree its probably just some mistake with how its coded, I think the intent is to say that Purifying darkness doesnt kill it

are the /v/ threads dead?

>>3808599
Tenna sorta does too
>You... you want to have fun, too, don't you!?
>Isn't that a little bit why you...

>>3808753
kill then purify because purifying one takes out both.
so either
>battle is hardcoded in a way that you just get a stat that says "[slain/purified] 2", disregarding if you killed one then purified the other
>they are functionality the same thing.
gives me an idea but there's no save point after the fight for save editing, wonder what the stat says if you fight more than two titan spawn.

>>3808759
for now, plenty of people (including me) have caught a ban.
It's also the weekend, threads should pick up again on monday.

>>3808759
There's two threads up but I doubt it'll last long.

>>3808312
Noelle having to die was my first thought playing the game but now that I think about it, you'd think Ralsei would've actively discouraged Susie from getting attached to Noelle, but he's all for them going together to the festival
He only discourages you from going anywhere with Noelle alone, which probably relates to the weird route

>>3808761
I imagine it is hardcoded then so that using Purify just has the game go "Alright Player has decided to spare the spawn, set stat to Purified: 2", or when a spawn is dead its not technically out of the battle so its purifying a monster that long died and overwriting its status as "Slain". There's still a few patches coming so maybe thisll be fixed who knows

Was there anything interesting posted by Toby after the release? Either a newsletter or tweets, haven't been following his stuff that much lately.

>>3808777
Single most important tweet, of course.

>>3808740
Gee, I wonder why people could have that idea

>>3808777
He showed off a few files from when he was first drafting deltarune, which revealed susie's name was always "Susie", meaning her UT counterpart being "Suzy" is an intentional choice not a last second change, and we got more concept art

>>3808777
The only actually important thing he released since the game was his tweet about Susie resting her chin on Kris's head.
https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3lsqs5ild5c2u

>>3808784
I bet those empty spots between kris and noelle is weird route related stuff

>>3808782
>>3808785
I guess Kriselle will never be acknowledged outside of rape stuff

>>3808742
Holy kek

I was gonna say you guys are burning through images too fast, but honestly, is that really something to worry about? Is it fine if images just run out early?

>>3808759
All deleted by the trannitor.

>>3808806
I think as long as the ratio of post limit to image limit is in posts favor its fine. Just make sure you have a reason to include an image rather than simply to do i

There's an article about Deltarune which also includes a Q&A section with Toby in the current issue of Nintendo Dream (ニンテンドードリーム 2025年 09月号): https://www.ndw.jp/nd2509-376/
It came out a couple of days ago, and it's available digitally on multiple platforms, but it seems like nobody uploads this regularly.

Can somebody share these parts of the magazine?

maybe janny will be off our case on monday

>>3808836
funny, he's on his day off from work, and he's spending his time deleting deltarune threads on /v/.
Can you think of something sadder than that?

>>3808777
I'm positive we will get a cool announcement on the anniversary, Toby did mention they were doing "something" cool but that it was gonna take a bit more to have it ready, I dont think that was related to ch3 or 4

>>3808838
i'm hoping for a tenna related event like the sweepstakes
maybe a faux telethon or something

>>3808839
Maybe a competition to finally decide and settle for good who the REAL mike is.

>>3808839
I hope they use wayne/radio tv solutions again

>>3808838
>>3808839
I think it's more likely to be Undertale related than anything. It's the tenth anniversary of that game, after-all.

>>3808844
jackenstein felt like rtvs wrote him I wouldn't be surprised

>>3808838
I'd love a full hard mode but I doubt he will ever feel like going back and finishing it.
Which other unfulfilled Kickstarter promises do we have other than the comic and the Mettaton date?

>>3808845
what if we get noelle's undernet blog?
>get a new post from her every few hours
>have a bunch of hidden secrets like the sweepstakes
>ends off on rudy's death in undertale and noelle "temporarily" closing her blog
>his death in undertale is because he was a boss monster,
>this is confirmed when it gets one final update post a few days later with noelle crying in a blogpost about how "she caused his death" since UT carol decided it was a smart idea to tell her exactly how boss monsters work

>>3808856
Brought to you by Ketsukane (TM)
I think I'll steal this for my own DRY take

But seriously, Rudy was used in the Alarm Clock as a way to contrast with Asgore's life and immortality. If feel this could actually turn out as a plot point.

>>3808838
"We are proud to announce the long awaited Alphys and Undyne's divorce!"

>>3808856
Wouldn't Dess, having been the firstborn, contributed more to Rudy's death than Noelle?

Man, I really want Toby to show the production artwork around Tenna. Getting his early Queen doodles was revealing for how development is going.

>>3808880
yes but carol just explained it really, really badly. and noelle still being a kid because dess is the firstborn wouldnt quite get that.

>>3808856
Remember, there's that dessholiday twitter account with 123 tweets made the month undertale released (specifically Sept 1, 2015) currently privated

i'm nooooticing

>>3808915
lmao
the absolute state of jannies

>>3808915
absolutely pathetic. to know that those types are the ones running things now its genuinely pathetic.

>>3808915
Gee, if only someone could tell the amount of IPs that are participating in a thread, to truly know if it's 15 people or not.
Why hasn't anyone thought of doing that before?

>we can't move our general to /vg/ because... we just can't, OK!?
>>>/vg/532073204
>>>/vg/532073669
>>>/vg/532067837
>>>/vg/532061726
>>>/vg/532058364
>>>/vg/532057893

Look at these posts and ask yourself, janny, if you somehow think that the threads we have on /v/ are ANYTHING that we could possibly have there.

>>3808923
its easy to forget how bad /vg/ gets after the immediate launch surge. its not bad for a couple weeks but then you those years of absolute hell.

>>3808915
Why don't the jannies on /v/ want people talking about video games on the video game board?

>>3808923
Literally not a janny problem. Go be the change you want to see instead of bitching about it. Displace the bullshit you hate with quality posts. This is literally schoolyard playground level shit and yet somehow it is beyond the ability of 30-40 year old Undertale/Deltarune zealots. Really goes to show just what the "quality" of this fanbase (moreover, 4chan's average userbase) is like.

>>3808933
not only is that a janny problem (quality of posts) but the state of /vg/ is a site staff failure as a whole. a mistake that has had far reaching effects on the quality of posts far greater than anyone could have predicted. but people like you don't actually care about reason. years of dalle general and twitter call out threads aren't important, you just have a personal issue.

>>3808921
truly 4chan has been over for some time

>>3808921
We have a rough idea, actually. The poll was conducted over a couple of days, so it should be around 100 users at least. Definitely not "same 15 guys".
https://poal.me/3dv3e4

>>3808933
There you are, hiding behind anonymity. Janny, explain this to me:
>Displace the bullshit you hate with quality posts.
Are you a moron? Like actually, do you have any idea how the site you moderate works? You cannot "displace" the bullshit with quality posts because that doesn't remove the quality posts, it just makes discussion of the game tedious because half the messages you're reading are about some general injoke or culture. threads on /v/ talk about theories, shipping, speculation, all I see in /utg/ is people spamming (lol) spam/tenna stuff and not even talking about the game, or just posting art of a random enemy with a fat ass. And that's FINE. That's their general's culture, it's contained there. But it's completely incompatible with how discussion in /v/ is, because /v/ threads have no connectivity with eachother, and often have different focuses because of the OP. There isn't a structure.
>This is literally schoolyard playground level shit and yet somehow it is beyond the ability of 30-40 year old Undertale/Deltarune zealots.
What the fuck does that make you, then? Chasing us around, learning game lore so you can more effectively snipe threads, on a fucking SUNDAY. Do you really think we're the pathetic ones?
>inb4 "i'm not the janny"
yeah right, because anybody else cares about how many deltarune threads exist.

Come on man, just be reasonable. You lose nothing by just letting deltarune and undertale have frequent threads on /v/. This isn't some niche unknown indie game that just came out a month ago. If you start being reasonable and stop sniping threads, I could start to respect you.

>>3808933
kinda agree, this thread has just turned into a combination meta thread and repost thread, having one place would serve discussion better. but I get not wanting to put up with posts you don't like even if it's a self filtering issue, and I'm not gonna pretend that this division isn't being worsened by janny meddling. delterrune

>>3808941
its beyond a filtering issue with /vg/. the mindsets of the posters there are entirely alien from those of people on other boards. the normal anonymous driven discussion breaks down in those general feeding a personality drama driven psychosis. the image board format was not meant to have generals that stuck for years at a time. yes slow threads could last a long time but its an entirely different dynamic. you can say its just filtering but you cant filter specific users due to the anonymity, you turn a place of genuine discussion into a miserable pit of shit.

>>3808941
I would find the metafaggotry completely obnoxious as well if it wasn't warranted by clear objective bias. Touhou threads get sniped too but they have an entire board they can resort to. Undertale and Deltarune are NOT something you can just shove into a singular general. Undertale is quite literally the definition of a "cultural phenomenon"

>>3808893
You can change your username on xitter
It doesn't log any info like when you changed it or what it used to be
Much more likely it's some rando who just signed up before Undertale and changed it to dessholiday at some point when Chapter 2 was already out
if you want toby's ACTUAL secret twitter alt it's @babyDOLLice

>>3808943
>Touhou threads get sniped too but they have an entire board they can resort to.
I will always maintain that I wish that /indie/ was a board

>>3808945
it would have been better if /v/ was never split and just got proper moderation like certain other boards did before things hit a breaking point. generals back before /vg/ was a thing werent a problem. the problem was people creating 5 generals at once to intentionally be irritating. now we have literally the same thing happening but they don't get CALLED generals so the useless people on /v/ act like the rules are upheld.

>>3808923
Not siding with the janny cuck or his cock garglers, or even remotely suggesting /utg/ is good in any way, but how exactly are these posts different from /v/ horny/waifuposting? People still post softcore porn and talk about offsite ship poll results there.
/vg/ is bad because generals turn into thread personality circlejerks where people who added each other on Discord argue and ERP with each other in public instead of talking about the fucking game, the pornposting isn't the problem.

>>3808949
I would say that a lot of those posts are the personality circlejerk people because there are a few notable ones in the /vg/ threads that make a point to make it clear who they are then spam their specific character until its a chance to engage in thread drama. the uty thread that got deleted earlier had almost none of the waifuposting even surprisingly. Im not even saying some of it is a big deal but the last thread was really just on topic.

>>3808949
>ERP with each other in public
funny thing is that did happen a few threads ago, but instead anon chose to highlight some random gay art he plucked out from the currently running one

>>3808951
I haven't even gone there in ages and I'm not surprised at all it's still like that.

>>3808954
Last time I went there, a tripfag posted pics self harming themself because people were talking about a specific character in a way they didn't like. I'm never going there again.

>>3808954
it really "calms down" when a new release happens since that stuff gets drowned out by slightly more well adjusted posters, but I end up staying until it gets unbearable again and it really is impressive how proud /vg/ is of how dogshit it is, meanwhile we cant just have normal threads and avoid that cancer. at least /vrpg/ has been welcoming.

>>3808956
Don't forget the crying vocaroos.
Reminder the jannies actually want us to go there.

>>3808960
>>3808956
as passionately as I feel /vg/ was a mistake, I forget just how big of a mistake sometimes.

>>3808933
Going up against a bunch of /vg/ autists is a lost cause. and that's obviously not exclusive to /utg/

>>3808962
way back when I played pso2 before it had english servers, and when it was still on episode 2 I remember there was someone that would just take pictures of some of the members of us in the outer haven guild and pretend to be us to try and "ruin our reputation". I guess the personality drama retards were at it pretty quick there.

>>3808944
im pretty sure dessholiday is the handle not the username, unless now you can change that too

>>3808944
>can't see his posts without being an approved follower
what sort of vile shit is he posting there

>>3808971
>3 posts
probably not much

>>3808933
>Literally not a janny problem. Go be the change you want to see instead of bitching about it. Displace the bullshit you hate with quality posts.
You have never been on a /vg/ thread besides UT/Deltarune. I doubt you've even clicked on the board before.
It is a /vg/ problem.

FRIEND's real name is Ebott. The anti-Toby

>Mt. Ebott's name confirmed to be derived from Toby backwards in syllables and a reference to Mt. Itoi in Mother

>It's a "friendly black cat" as the opposite of the "annoying white dog"

>In under TALE, Ebott is the place where the POOR CHILDREN were lost (by falling)

>In deltarune , Ebott is the TAIL the poor children followed

it's actually amazing and I hope Toby's actually planning this.

>>3808983
>Undertale is post-Scratch Deltarune

>>3805160
>>Why does Kris' damage against Tenna increase if you do the sword route?
I noticed that it also increases when fighting the Titan
Somebody said it's because the Sword route made Kris stronger, but I can't really confirm this since I never fought the titan without finishing the sword route
>>Is Alvin in the know about the Roaring Knight conspiracy?
I don't think so, but he definitely knows something about the shelter with how he straight up told Kris to stay away from it

>>3808988
Isn't that damage to the Titan because of the Black Shard doing insane damage to Dark entities?

>>3808989
Oh you're right
I did have black shard equipped
don't know if Kris less damage than Susie without it

>>3808988
>>3808989
kris does more damage to tenna after the sword route because tenna talks about the deal and (you) over hear, kris is pissed at tenna for that
kris doing more damage to the titan is because of the black shard, it does hueg damage to dark enemies

>>3808987
>W.D. Gaster is Doc Scratch

>>3808945
>Just make another board lol
This mindset is why we get poorly moderated boards

>>3808994
You got an alternative that isn't telling the janitors to do their job right? Fat chance. Splitting the boards didn't do jack because why bother posting there in the first place.

>>3808994
Are poorly moderated boards even a bad thing at this point with how much of a clown show the actual moderation on this site is?

>MFW the best way to get banned on /v/ is to try to actually discuss a fucking game
>MFW /v/ is for gatcha coom threads, twitter bait threads, and consolewars trash, not video games

Like with D&D, no moderation is better than bad moderation. And moderation that isn't bad is very rare.

>>3808996
As if adding more boards is gonna make things better, itll just increase the amount of work they have to do, which is gonna be a shitshow given how poorly moderated they are already, sorry not sorry anon, adding 500+ new boards wont bring 4chan back to its glory.
Also, no moderation on a board would lead to the boards becoming a political nsfw cesspool with wojaks and spam, which is way worse than most of these boards are like

The problem with those small boards is that jannies themselves don't care about them. /vr/ was the only one that sort of worked, and only because it became elitist five minutes after it was opened (and it is moderated heavily).
You don't see every Pokemon thread sent to /vp/
You don't see every gacha game thread being sent to /vm/ or /vmg/
Deltarune threads certainly weren't moved to /vrpg/.
No, everything goes either to /vg/ or to /trash/.

>>3809005
/vp/ is a terrifying place

https://www.youtube.com/@TEOX977
I found that guy's channel, the one making the deltarot animations

> I AM THE FORGOTTEN MAN.
> WILL YOU FORGET ME, TOO?
> ARE YOU SURE? YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN ME MANY TIMES BEFORE.
> EVEN IF YOU MEET ME, I WILL BE FORGOTTEN THEREAFTER.
> SOMETIMES I EVEN FORGET MYSELF...
> I ASK AGAIN. WILL YOU FORGET ME?
Is Kris a timepooper, but he forgets each loop?

Why the fuck do we have two threads now?

>>3809012
ch4 makes me think there is some credibility to timeloop theory based on susie telling gerson that she doesn't want an ending and for the story to go on forever, and telling kris she wants every day to be like the day previous, and the next day to be the same
ralsei knowing the prophecy but now why makes me wonder if he 'remembers' the previous loops at the barest minimum, he knows the specific events but not the how
and of course, the cut sequence at the ch1 opening also heavily implies a time loop thing going on
i don't think there's a specific looper, but maybe something like majora's mask is happening where the week rewinds to the morning of ch1 at a certain point and everything plays out with minimal difference to the end result

>>3809060
*not why

>>3809056
We're not even at the bump limit. How stupid can people be?

>>3808957
I think having less images to post also forces us to discuss things on topic, here. I can't even post my human wives, myself....

>>3809060
I feel that if the looping theory is correct, it will be some sort of commentary about how a game starts over when you restart it and you will have to do some fuckery to break it and give the characters their happy ending

>janny's awake again
shame, that was a good thread

>>3809006
Nah it isnt

>porn on page one
>tranny janny would rather delete the deltaruen thread first
the absolute state of this site

>deltarune thread from /v/ deleted in >10 minutes
janny's on a rampage today

>>3809254
>>3809252
To be fair, there's another thread and it's not even particularly stealthy.

>>3809255
that's not a rule.

>>3809255
And it's already autosaged. All the threads keep getting wiped the moment I get on Chan, I swear Janny must be monitoring my internet activity

I've been watching a chapter 3 stream and I've heard by far the most retarded theory so far
>egg rooms are completely disconnected from the rest of the game
>they are the way for Toby to talk about his personal views
>chapter 3 egg room is about old games being forgotten

>>3809274
i can do ya one better
https://youtu.be/1qWKPbjyRhw

>>3809276
Is this the Knight is Kris's stand, or is it the Knight has Kris's SOUL?

>>3809274
>egg rooms are completely disconnected from the rest of the game
TBF to this one, only Kris goes into them to collect the egg. Susie and the others don't follow with him, so Kris could be blacking out or wandering around in a fugue.

>chapter 3 egg room is about old games being forgotten
Yeah, heard this one already.
>game preservation is important
>lots of games are lost without preservation
>toby grew up in the 90's, that means he makes games for 90's kids like me!
>no one is making pixel art RPGs anymore
>that's why we need to preserve games
>the Egg Man? what's an Egg Man?

>>3809276
I think the only way this could work is if the knight is dess' body with kris' original soul

>>3805540
Sorry for the delay. Hopefully this is an adequate reward for your patience

>>3809312
天

>>3809312
Doechads won again.

>three whole threads shilling AI on /v/
>but you get banned for talking about deltarune
This website is a fucking joke.

>>3809352
This reminds me that I went to ChatGPT and asked it some Deltarune takes to see how bad they are. Here they are:
>Carol is the Knight because she has the black katana
>Kris is female because she has long hair, slender figure and soft colors (Said Kris was Homura).
>Frisk is female because she brings peace and is nice. She is a gentle heroine like Madoka.
>Chara is a dude because he is confident, manipulative and speaks to the player(?????). Compared him to Sasuke and Griffith.
These are the /v/ approved opinions since they love AIslop.

i correctly solved the ch4 word puzzle

>Lost forest where the roots would grow, the children followed the pointed tail.

>>3809363
My friend, not only are you extremely late in decoding this, you also spelled it wrong and in a way where it's barely grammatically coherent. Let me help you:
>Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail. The poor children!
Roots isn't a part of the sentence, but if you were to add it, I suppose you could add it to "there the forest roots would grow," but that sounds janky too.

>>3809363
That doesn't sound right.
>Lost where the forest would grow roots
>Lost where the forest roots would grow
Both of these sound better.

>>3809372
Yep. Thank you, scholar, for lecturing us.

>>3809252
/v/ has always been ABIB's little kingdom for a long, long time. Do you remember when that dead nigga e-celeb got a pinned thread? I member.
The rules have NEVER, NEVER mattered. If you dare piss of the KING... well, he'll spend all day lurking the catalog and purging your threads. You could have open porn/ERP threads or CP spam and he'd still focus on people who, in his sad little mind, have dared overstay their welcome in his fiefdom. It doesn't matter if you're on topic. It doesn't matter if your posts are on quality. He doesn't like it and its getting 404'd while the catalog is filled with bait, porn, twitter screenshots and very little vidya

>>3809312
Based and Eternal Slumberpilled

>>3809312
HOLY FUCKING BASED
perfect, cheers anon

>>3809363
based slowpoke, but we cheated with the spamton sweepstakes ARG telling us the answer so dont worry about it

Why the fuck someone keeps making threads?

>>3809513
The indomitable human spirit

>>3809529
I mean on this board.

>>3809530
Oh, probably in a bid to get us shitcanned from here.

>>3809513
Hopefully some mod here (if there are any) just deletes them and keeps this one up, I also do not like the idea of taking over this board, specially when deltarune is *already* contentiously an rpg.

I only see the other thread that was made 4-5 days ago. I dont think someone is on the "active trying to get threads banned" autism right now.

You guys like Krusie?

>>3809535
he means this "leak" of chapter 5 >>3809507

>>3809536
Well duh, pretty much everyone does at that point.

>>3809537
ah my bad, I was searching threads by game name. thats clearly a thread made with poor intent.

>>3809530
Probably a retard trying to get us banned.

>>3809536
The word "like" doesn't even begin to convey the extent of the state of emotion I feel about Krusie.

>>3809535
i swear to god if the fangame thread gets banned from the board because someone here also had a melty.

>>3809536
Dont care for it, but dont hate it anymore

>eggman only gives us directions up to chapter 5, potentially implying only 5 eggs
>FRIEND came from an egg in noelle's game
>shadow mantle summons 5 FRIENDs at a time
hmm

>>3809561
>shadow mantle summons 5 FRIENDs at a time
wasn't it only 4?
also it really does feel like a lot of the game will end at chapter 5, toby never mentioned 6 or 7 directly in any of the newsletters or other stuff
I think chapters 6 and 7 will be "locked" and you cant progress to them until you have found a way to get there, which may involve walking "between the lines" like gerson said

The discussion's happening on /v/ but I'm still banned thanks to tranny janny, so I'll bring it up:
I swear to god there is a line in chapter 1 where Susie says "everything bleeds, right?" and nobody ever acknowledges it when discussing the arguments about whether if monsters have blood or not.

>>3809575
people say that is just susie either having lived in a human society before (so opposite of kris) and her own weird biology (if she is an hybrid)
I believe she is an hybrid, her stubby tail could add to that due to her being half dragon and half human

>>3809576
some human chad out there fucked an entire dragon

>>3809575
its brought up a lot I think. I think its probably a bit of misdirection. she says "everyone bleeds" but DOES everyone bleed?

>>3809577
Alternatively, a woman got some crazy dinosaur dicking

>>3809579
That does not spark as much joy on my crotch so I choose to ignore that possibility.

>>3809575
>>3809576
I think a common version was that it's just a cool phrase she heard in a movie. Then again, she does bleed.

>>3809577
>tfw I will never find that pic where Susie's parents are revealed to be Fang and Spear

>>3809575
It is brought up. We're not sure if there's something special about Susie, or if monsters just bleed in Deltarune. There could even be monsters who bleed and monsters who don't.
But Susie definitely knows about cleaning up bloodstains.

>>3809577
the vision

>>3809561
the eggs are putting FRIEND together
the first 4 eggs are the 4 cat shapes on the bottom
the 5th and final egg is FRIEND's face
hence chapter 5 being the field of pink and gold
gaster considers eggs an issue because seeking them out is following the pointed tail

Quick shit-at-wall theory time:
Integer overflow will turn into a plot point eventually.
Specifically, it is possible for the photons to go so negative, so darker than dark, they wrap around into pure light.

Imagine wasting your entire weekend chasing down Deltarune threads on /v/ and thinking you killed them for good, only to come back to several active one.

>>3809653
>a stealth deltarune thread
>a yellow thread
>both were on topic and had active discussion ABOUT THE DAMN GAMES
>exactly what you'd think when you hear "this board is for discussing videogames"
>the yellow threads even have devanons making proper attempts at making their own fangames. the exact kind of positive rep you want to be associated with your board.
>lolmao all autosaged fuck you
>the 40 nintendo spam threads? the 50 political threads? the 30 porn threads? the 35 shitpost threads? the AI general? the weekly salesfag general thats nothing but shitposting?
>lol nope all of those are fiiine!

>>3809655
/v/ is for loli Pauline footfag gooning threads, not for games.
This entire meltdown started in the first place because Deltarune was taking up too much space designated for loli Pauline feet threads last month.

>>3809655
you're gonna carry that weight anon. never forget the good times of discussion with your bros.

>thread is too stealth and actual posters spawn in
bros...

>>3809667
>Inb4 one of the normal posters sees my reply and goes on a "zoomers are scared of everything" rant

4chaaaaan wake up

>>3809658
janny was already pissy before that but he definitely started his meltdown when the deltarune thread was on the first page despite all the dk shilling

>>3809667
I mean, you're the one to talk, missing existing stealth thread

>>3809673
You can't talk about video games for more than a week after they come out
Unless it's for saving Western civilization
Or Nintendo
Or something Hiro's been paid to keep a constant catalog spot for

guys
GUYS
today I remembered that in Undertale, there is a Temmie with a hardboiled egg in Temmie Village
what I did not know is Temmie uses grandpa semi's song when she acts serious/changes the font she speaks in when you don't give her the flakes

>>3809561
Seam also mentions that Chapter 5's shadow crystal is the final one.

>>3809312
o7 thank you for your service

>>3809564
Gerson mentions a Chapter 6, though.

>>3809577
Donkey and Dragon from Shrek.

>>3809583
god doesn't exist because no god would make us live in a world where we can't have this

>the hate thread is still up
guess that's the new thread meta now

>>3809903
it got autosaged lmao.

>>3809720
One theory video by a mildly popular channel was enough to spark all this interest on Grandpa Semi?
I'm not complaining, but I regret not turning my research into a video.

>>3809938
I got it from here and /v/, I stay far, far, FAR away from the deltarune community outside of here

>>3808180
>>The Knight, Carol, Kris are all on the same 'Save Dess' team
Why doesn't Kris tell the player?

>>3809720
I cant believe grandpa semi died getting mauled to death by a pack of temmies

>>3809977
Because there's no way to guarantee we'll give a shit about Dess.

>>3809982
Its not like mr "fuck you for looking at a guitar" is presenting any better arguments to get us on his side

>>3809982
Well shouldn't that be the first thing Kris should notify the player about because going on the weird route is just the player messing around and wanting to ruin shit for no clear reason.

>>3809977
>>3809985
Kris is limiting as much information accessible to the player as possible, because he realizes that knowledge is power and the more the player knows, the more dangerous one is. Compare, for example, a blind first run and a second run where the player is hunting for secrets. I missed the Devilsknife, Shadowmantle, and Gerson's hammer on the first run and sold items I could have combined. A bit of knowledge makes the player much more powerful.
We cannot communicate directly to Kris and even if we pick the most benign options, there is no guarantee of not having an ulterior motive on our part (even if it's something as banal as hooking him up with Noelle or Susie). He's clearly unhappy about being possessed and it seems to be a means to an end for him. This end looks to be the conspiracy he's mixed up with. Bringing the player in on the conspiracy (even without knowledge of Gaster and whatever his motivations are for summoning us) is too much of a risk and these delicate plans are too easy to disrupt.
tl;dr there are lots of reasons to be hiding stuff from us and things could go off the rails badly if he wasn't guarded. This is why he's "the Cage."

>>3809977
If we were in on the plan, we could also fuck it up the same way we can fuck up the relationship with Noelle just because we have the option to.

(We) can't be trusted, at all. Even if (You) are a good person, someone out there isn't and did the weird route because it was funny.

>>3809984
I kind of get Kris.
(You) are a means to an end. (You) are a tool made for a very specific purpose, and when that purpose is done he's likely going to be rid of you. So why bother trying to be friends?

>>3810102
You make the best friends when you least expect it.

>>3810102
>'You were used up.'
>pales and looks away
Not so fun when the shoe in on the other foot eh

>>3810102
Susie shoved him into a locker and threatened to bite his face off, after she has previously told him Toriel would be better off without him.
A few days later and they're already besties.
We'll make friends with non-weird route Kris

Kris beating us with a hockey stick for trying to read the guitar code is funnier when you remember any attentive player already knows exactly what the code most likely is
Unless it's a big fakeout and it's actually a huge long string of digits that just STARTS with 1225, but I dunno it sounds most likely to just be 1225

>>3810102
Yes, because thats how you should treat the eldritch being with ultimate control over your life and being. As a tool. That wont backfire in any sort of potential situation
He doesnt have to like us but least he could do is drop a pillow in that birdcage

>>3810145
The point is not letting Susie know it. If (You) don't see it legit, it won't appear in dialogue choice when Susie will ask Kris about it.

I don't think Kris had any experience with summoned Soul but someone, most likely Carol, did, and warned him about the dangers.

Following on that, what if Carol is soulless right now? That's why she is so obsessed with heart-shaped objects and why she is such a huge bitch.

>>3810151
>that's why Sans forced you to actually check the "open" sign before Susie can tell him it's open even though you can see it clear as day in the overworld
>it was actually a metaphor for how learning the bunker code works and how you have to get told the full thing by the narration even if you already know the answer

People are not learning the lessons that this game is teaching them.

>>3810158
Like that if I abuse virtual cats in Petz I'll get a special egg that hatches into a demon and kidnaps my sister into the void?

>>3810158
That I shouldn't trust a deranged and resentful scammer when he calls someone else a criminal?

>>3810158
That you're evil for playing a videogame?

>>3810158
That I shouldn't assume just because I saw some pink & yellow, that means a FRIEND?

>First drawings of Tenna. Originally he was actually supposed to look more like an ant and had 4 arms. I ultimately didn't like that idea though.
sauce: https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1947855560122241361

>>3810384
is tenna the only darkner toby designed himself? everyone else was by guest artists

>First drawings of Tenna. Originally he was actually supposed to look more like an ant and had 4 arms. I ultimately didn't like that idea though.
Sauce: https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1947855560122241361 (embed)

>I drew this later.

>>3810386
Toby made Ralsei
I believe he made Queen too but she's visibly derivative of Kanotynes's card characters so I don't know if she counts

https://twitter.com/UnderTale/status/1947827329570640315

>>3810457
>Knight was nerfed
I'd complain but it's the one attack I legit could never no-hit

>>3805160
>What calamity is the shelter supposed to protect the residents of Hometown from?
Supposed capitalist invasion. Deltarune actually takes place in Albania so it’s normal for there to be abandoned bunkers everywhere.

>>3810457
>sword tunnel fixed
thank god
it was the one attack that would always get me no matter what

>>3810457
>Tenna's texture at the end of battle was just a glitch.
There goes another theory.

>>3810457
>>3810458
sword tunnel isn't even hard when you realize there's a button to make the soul move slower

>>3810596
Moving slow really isn't the problem, it's genuinely just difficult to read. Plus I'm one of the freaks that doesn't use Hold Breath until the Knight's going to use its final attack.

are there no more threads on /v/ or am I blind

>>3810634
nvm I'm retarded

lmao, I got a warning for pointing out that jannies are banning deltarune threads in a thread that was asking what was happening

>>3810634
theres one but it has 3 replies

>>3810678
>>>/v/716226950
>almost an hour passed
>still barely any replies
Deltabros...

>>3810679
Once janny started carpet-banning threads, I think people decided it was more trouble than it was worth.

>>3810690
Nah, its too stealthy, people cant read and too early, give it an hour or so

>>3810679
>deltarune in title
>dead
mod must've gone on a mass banning spree.

>>3810457
>>3810588
I think the Tenna battle texture glitch looked kino, and I didn't even think it was not intended. I understand they want to fix bugs, but I wish they had just reproduced it intentionally instead.

>>3810734
The texture wall was fucking amazing, it almost made it feel like that game was folding unto itself

>>3810738
Exactly. Things glitching out so hard it's showing random screens (which had been the theme of the battle) and they're actually textures from the game itself? Sign me the fuck up

>>3810679
The janny is literally in that thread trying to defend himself by pointing out to his schizo made up avatarfags, just like when he said he was deleting threads because of a Tenna avatarfag that didn't exist.

>>3810734
>The spamtons along the side
I refuse to believe it wasn't intentional and he's not just removing it because people are reading too hard into its meaning.

>>3810774
I only believe it, because I use GMS2 for small projects and when dealing with shaders, they do some REALLY weird shit that it's totally unintentional

>>3810734
personally i refuse to believe that it wasnt intentional.
there's no way in hell NOBODY noticed that, especially toby, unless a last minute change that wasnt even playtested fucked it up.

>>3810774
>>3810789
>>3810734
Wait, what the fuck, it looks like it doesn't do the glitch effect on the switch: https://www.youtube.com/live/mw_YZg9aCi8?feature=shared&t=15489
I think I can believe it wasn't intentional. It could be they did something that looked like a minor change before releasing the final version. It'd be cool to see the code that does this.

>>3810806
Yeah, it doesnt get the texture wall on the consoles, only PC. It's a shader, I bet the code is very messy or weird

>>3810734
>signal dies on Channel 66

VERY

VERY

INTERESTING.

>>3810816
I suppose so.
Now my autism forces me to keep around the old version and use that for replays.

>>3810832
I played through chapters 3 and 4 on the version originally released. I genuinely believe every change made was for the worse, sans any game breaking bugs. And the only one I can think of is the unintentional Lancer dupes (kino in and of itself) cockblocking you from getting the Black Shard.

>>3810906
I started on the first edition and then played on the first update. I don't think there are any notable changes between the two. I had multiple Lancers, but I fortunately didn't get enough to cuck me out of the black shard, lol.
I think the only change that was really justified was removing the second Kris from the closet. I'm not a big fan of the changes at all.

>>3810909
this
the second kris was the only needed change
the rest was fine and now the game is worse
I'm keeping my 1.0 folder in case I ever want to replay 3 and 4

speaking of background effects, anybody figure what the background for the knight charge up is?

>>3810906
Actually, you dont get cockblocked from getting the shadow crystal (the black shard is saved on your weapons list, btw) because theres no programmed limit to the amount of key items you can have, its just not visible, but you still have the shadowcrystal

>Just got an autosage thread with no problems
Must be sleeping

Why do the threads start saying Connection Error instead of pruned/deleted when the janny deletes them now? Is this some retarded alternate method of deletion?

>>3811800
That happens when a thread gets "closed" instead of deleted, pruned, or archived

>>3811805
How many fucking ways to delete a thread they need?

>>3811800
most likely just some change to 404ing in the background that 4chanx or whatever doesn't account for so it defaults to "connection error"