Thread 3818036

Has the fantasy genre become stagnant? It‘s all medieval village, where have games like morrowind and planescape torment gone? Last rpg that really pushed the envelope was disco elysium

>>3818036 (OP)
>Why aren't more of my tranny-core crypto-Babylonian gnostic games being made?
Gaming's primary demographic is white men, your mortal enemy. As hard as you try, you WILL not expunge Tolkien from culture.
>Von Mackensen as goblin
Most subtle revolutionary

>>3818038
>anglo talking about white history

>>3818038
>evil can not create anything new.

Why do the Japanese have more love for european history than the west does?

>>3818038
bait or schizo?

>>3818036 (OP)
Pete is a power cuck

>>3818041
Thank you for pointing out the validity of my post, hopefully the other Anons will bear it in mind.
>>3818042
Never said that, but I did imply the market isn't interested in extremely niche (((Roman))) circle-jerk ideology.
>>3818074
Schizo, though I hate to complement myself

>>3818036 (OP)
>disco elysium
Not an RPG.

Blackpowder Orcs
Steampunk Humans
Golem-Mecha Dwarves
Blood Magic Aztec Elves
Ecoterrorist Halflings
Body-Tinker Gnomes

>>3818431
Nice Tumblr, Anon!
Very wholesome Internetz Awesomesauce!
>*Switches to Golem voice*
Leave now and NEVER come BACK!

>>3818036 (OP)
I'd like more historical fantasy RPGs. Bonus points for less used settings.

>>3818449
>t. stagnant luddite

>>3818466
>Look at that stagnant loser! That stupid fuck didn't jump into the fire as fast as us!

>>3818036 (OP)
>why do westerners prefer european mytholoy and folklore in their fantasy
these posts are always anti-white bad faith agents wanting to make fantasy more "diverse"

>>3818593
Thank fuck someone else who gets it finally

>>3818050
Same reason the vice versa, it's exotic

>>3818036 (OP)
>where have games like morrowind and planescape torment gone?
Only faggots and hipsters liked those. That's why they failed.

>>3818646
so hot zhit, what didn't fail?

>>3818593
It's not really "why do you prefer X?" but rather why people want the same recycled shit over and over again.

>>3818050
It's so on the far East. China even build their own version of Paris, London and many more. In the far East copying something means honoring it, unlike here.

>>3818036 (OP)
Listen I love both Morrowind and Planescape but both of those are still medieval fantasy.

>>3818735
Fool.
>Why would people rather eat a steak dinner daily than an occasional steak dinner intermixed with meow mix and period blood?
Maybe people would rather have a steady consistently good thing than whatever fresh hell de Sade's followers conjure up next.

>>3818956
NTA but steak is special precisely because you don’t eat it every day.
>t. has eaten steak every day

>>3818593
You're such a fucking snowflake, holy shit
>you can't acknowledge that other countries or even time periods exist or you're attacking me!!
You're right, anon. A renaissance era rpg would be anti-white. Our mistake.

>>3818593
>talking about the Napoleonic, Crimean or Franco-Prussian war is woke anti-european propaganda
Can you retards fuck off?

>>3818862
That‘s my point though. „Medieval fantasy but slightly zany“ is already a massive step up from the industry average. Hell, even the witcher adding some slightly pagan influences is already refreshing.

>>3818971
>Missed the point
>>3818975
We never said you can't acknowledge other time periods, we just aren't going to pay you to do so.
>>3818987
Doing so with a Hegelian lens while constantly jerking off about the pros and cons of the industrial revolution and the meaninglessness of life is anti-white propaganda. Cope.

>>3819081
>we

>>3818036 (OP)
arcanum spirtual successor when?

>>3818038
>Tolkien out of nowhere
No western RPG does what Tolkien díd, closest to it is Kiseki series. Becauase that is all about fixing the corruption that is marring the world, and lead the world towards rebirth and renewal.

>>3820055
Tolkien made a universe, kiseki barely compares, sorry. Powerlevels for one are nonsensical.

>>3818036 (OP)
>Has the fantasy genre become stagnant?
It doesn't have to be.

>It‘s all medieval village, where have games like morrowind and planescape torment gone?
2010s internet culture hit a bad crossroad of 'angry internet reviewer' being a popular social influence and 'realism' pedantry meant to shill other hobbies (reenactors, HEMA, pop history, pop politics, etc). This was seen by the games industry, which always does the dumbest thing possible in response to anything, as a way to avoid having talented writers use fantasy as a medium to explore abstract concepts and still make money off simulationist autists who live online. That money has been petering out slowly but steadily, just in time for everyone to become a backstabbing pseudo-entrepreneur who plugs good ideas into slop generators that will strip away any compelling humanity that could revitalize the fantasy genre.


>Last rpg that really pushed the envelope was disco elysium
I like that game but a lot of its fantasy elements are retarded and SO MUCH of its worldbuilding is "Here's a popular thing from IRL but its shitty". Basically all of the books are that, it's dumb and is the most Rick and Morty aspect of that game.

>>3818036 (OP)
>>3818050
Because capitalism

>>3818042
this but unironically

>>3818036 (OP)
>why they do what sells
No idea buddy

>>3818036 (OP)
Legitimately, I believe a lot of the potential creative energy to invent new concepts in the fantasy genre has been funneled into inserting diversity. The current zeitgeist is that diversity is the ultimate good, therefore the fundamental evil is lack of diversity, therefore everything can be improved with more diversity, therefore bothering with anything else is pointless so only try to improve things with more diversity.

People who don't want to reinvent things will just replicate past tropes. Even people who want something new, some of the time, will (if a creator) add a black person or (if a consumer) see a gay person and be lulled into thinking their 'european fantasy with Tolkien-derived races but with modern sensibilities and a cash economy' is now fresh and new.

To be clear, I'm basically a grognard who will violently argue there has never yet been an actual "Generic Tolkien-style fantasy game".

>>3821560
They don't know how to make anything different, they only know how to add browns for rage baiting marketing.

>>3818050
grass is greener

>>3821560
>The current zeitgeist is that diversity is the ultimate good, therefore the fundamental evil is lack of diversity, therefore everything can be improved with more diversity, therefore bothering with anything else is pointless so only try to improve things with more diversity. People who don't want to reinvent things will just replicate past tropes.
The diversity shit would be entirely fine if games were toned to the style of JRPGs from 15-30 years ago. Very few people would complain about a really out there science-fantasy setting having minorities in it, and probably wouldn't even care if it also had extreme hard-right opinions thrown in for fun.

It's the annoying focus on low fantasy pseudo historical realismfaggotry that white dudes enjoy has become the target for being popular for the ESG shit, when really it only became popular with those people because it was an escape from diversity messaging.

It's honestly just very confusing since race/fem bait advertising really hasn't worked out in a lot of big budget games' favor.

>To be clear, I'm basically a grognard who will violently argue there has never yet been an actual "Generic Tolkien-style fantasy game".
Kind of an insanely autistic thing to say but I love the enthusiasm.

>>3818050
They're a conquered cuckold race. You should not take this as a vindication of anything.

>>3818036 (OP)
>germans are le goblins
whoa this is so heckin' subversive

>>3818050
They respect hif culture. Unfortunately there's no high culture left in Europe. Mass migration played a big role in its cultural deterioration.

i think they need to do more fantasy in 199x with you know guns and baseball bats and old technology but you know not do it weeb style like persona and not do it rAnDoM aNd cRaZy like earthbound, there are plenty of other modern world rpgs that could be explored

i'm kinda surprised that the ff7 remake didn't inspire devs to make more rpgs set in that time period of technology

>>3821560
It's true, all fantasy game world's suck big league. Look at bg3. It's a tunnel from the nautiloid to the destroyed "upper city". An ever horny narrator moans constant shit while the doll like pcs run around chasing xp and obliteratinf everything in their way.

>>3818050
East asia and the west are the only true developped civilization so they wank each other

>>3822647
I see. So all the modern facilities in the middle east are fatal morgana then, huh? Gotcha. Quatar is likely full of piss poor people, too.

>>3822684
>phoneposting sandnigga mad

>>3822686
You got phone posting right. Proud phone poster.

>>3818050
Because jews teach and tell western midwit idiots to hate their own culture whereas the japanese love their own culture as they love western culture and praize their similarities.

>>3818050
For them its foreign and exotic and exciting. For us its normal. Its the same way as to why the best american western are not made by americans but by italians and germans

>>3821560
Rich people importing poor people to raise profit for their junk selling operation. Women joining the workforce in large quantities are a meme and not only did they bombard productivity and turned the workplace into adultcare institutions, but they further put pressure on wages. The result is a meme economy that works solely for the benefit of the few while the masses get junk for their time as compensation. The junk is often useless or poisonous in some form.

fantasy is supposed to teach us moral lessons but society has become immoral.

>>3818050
freemasonry

>>3818036 (OP)
greedfall try the colonialism setting instead of medieval and it sucked ass, not because of the setting but because the game itself was garbage and new world fail shortly after as well so not many studies want to try that gamble again and prefer to choose the safe medieval option.

>>3826802
The setting isn't the problem with this game. It's janky, but not completely bad. I, for one, respect an ambassador that travels in full body armor and always has her spiked hammer and 6 barrel gun ready. The kind of 'diplomat' I choose to trust.

>>3818036 (OP)
>Last rpg that really pushed the envelope was disco elysium

What kind of envelope did Disco Elysium push?

You speds forgot adventure-games were a thing and now you're acting as if this is some great discovery.
Add to it that you insist on calling it an RPG because you convinced yoruself that "Text-Adventure" is some sort of dirty word so to be cool and hip you have call it an RPG.

>>3826849
>speds
Spergs?

>>3826853
nah, he means special eds, a retard. kinda older insult.

>>3826886
>riding the short bus
Is it speds or sp. Eds?

>>3826894
yes.

>>3818036 (OP)
"Why fantasy is all about medieval village and whyte peepoo" - It's not, you just look for reasons to complain. We have for quite a few years a small boom of Chinese action rpgs, and along with it a lot of Asian mythology got exposed to fantasy enjoyers. There was also some time ago indie action game based on genuine African mythologies.
Issue is that you don't want that, you don't want coherent setting with actual identity and meaningful inspirations. You want wacky kitchen sink bullshit with the most surface-level representation. You are the problem.

>>3826903
Also, it's kind of fucking BAFFLING to mention Discord Groomisium as a game that pushed envelope when it's setting was just slightly remixed 20th century Europe.

>>3826903
Nothing beats genji on ps2. The perfect wushu game.

>>3818036 (OP)
>disco elysium

not an rpg

>fantasy genre stagnant

customers keep buying the same shit, publishers wont fund anything unproven

>>3818074
both

>>3818050
This >>3818638
Also Jews.

>>3822684
>fatal morgana
>fatal
Lmao

>>3818036 (OP)
I like basic fantasy, now we just need more good RPGs

>>3828891
>fatal
They dead

>>3828893
Everyone wants to be be special, so they fuck up world building. Standard fantasy done well would be better than let's take avowed for instance.

>>3830880
Standard fantasy done well is understated, but it's easy to fuck up basic fantasy by doing nothing with it.

Good basic fantasy almost always has something unique to it, even if it still plays Tolkien's hits half the time, it still tries to use that as a framework to do something unique.

>>3831684
This. If you don't have a voice and just recycle tropes, you bring nothing interesting to the situation. Genre is only a framework, and part of the problem is that some people are meat calculators who want to create but can't explain why and so their work lacks direction.

>>3831684
>>3834557
Not vidya, not RPG. Take it to /lit/.

>>3818036 (OP)
Quid est Fantasy?
One has first to answer this question. Only then may he claim to know what Fantasy should be.
So, once again, what is Fantasy?

>>3834629
Shut up you fat retard

>>3834869
I'm extremely fit and highly intelligent, so your attempts to demean me and my valid criticism come across as the sour grapes of an angry child.
lol

>>3818036 (OP)
Because medieval fantasy will never die. No matter how much the science fiction slop is pushed down my throat.