Thread 3830675

>got told this game has a good morality system
>got into act 1
>every dialogue option is either:
>"uwu I'm a goody two shoes please step on me I like being stepped on"
>"i LOVE murdering kids, killing kids is very funny I love it almost as much as kicking puppies"
does it get better later or have I been memed on?

>>3830675 (OP)
>got told
lmao what a bitchboy

>>3830675 (OP)
>>got told this game has a good morality system
Hehe me gonna prove them wrong by not liking it!!!!!

>>3830675 (OP)
>got told this game has a good morality system
it doesn't? you can either be a goody two shoes doormat or a cartoon villain who gets less content

>>3830675 (OP)
>got told this game has a good morality system
Who told you that? There’s literally no morality system in it at all. The concept of objective morality might hurt someone’s fee fees. Just do whatever feels good! That’s what’s REALLY important.

>>3830735
There's no light side/dark side bar, but you get consequences for your actions. The game will absolutely judge you if you get a particularly evil ending for a certain character.

>>3830743
The game will absolutely judge you if you tell illegal immigrants to fuck off and go home, or if you refuse to play it as a dating sim and don’t get your dick wet by act 3. That’s just shitty devs projecting onto the game, not objective morality. They literally removed good and evil from the game, a staple of DnD:

>>3830748
The Tieflings want to leave the druid grove and will do so as soon as it's safe. They're not staying there for fun.

When do you get judged for not having a romantic partner? Withers will actually judge you *for* doing a romance because he'll warn you not to get distracted from your mission.

There are plenty of other areas where the good option is pretty clear especially with stuff like the Nightsong. I'd say there are way more times like that than purely morally grey moments.

Good way to say you lack the imagination to roleplay. For instance, you can simply be a murderous villain, or you can justify the Grove raid on the basis that you want to stay on the cult's good side to learn more about the parasite, or simply as a mercenary who thinks the cult gives the MC a better deal. Works both ways: a murder man can clear out the goblin camp simply to enjoy the sport of murdering goblins. All of these reasons are given to you in some form in the game. If you want to criticise the game, criticise how it's still a buggy mess, how the evil playthrough doesn't have any good content substitutes in later acts (even the evil exclusive companion was made available to good playthroughs), how they ruined all the companions in act 3 (Shart especially) by making them sex freaks, Halsin in general, and so on.

>>3830757
Not every character is a sex freak, that's just part of Shadowheart's character. Lae'zel for instance gets way more vanilla as you go along and she falls in love with you, and she's very possessive of you.

I agree though that evil playthroughs got gypped, Minthara should never have been available without destroying the grove.

>>3830759
> that's just part of Shadowheart's character

No, it isn't, the options don't even have internal consistency. Bed Mizora? No problem. Bed Minthara? Same sort of dialogue, except she breaks up with you for some reason. In Act 2, she literally says "I don't want to be your spare lover". In Act 3, it's now "You can sleep with the evil devil woman who's has taken our friend's soul/condemned our friend's father to doom without our heroic rescue". It was obviously shoehorned in.

>>3830761
What's the context of you having sex with Minthara? She might be fine with you being physically experimental but not emotionally cheating (a stupid distinction but that's just how some people think)

But if so the Minthara thing is the odd one out because she's consistently one of the more out there sexually party members. For instance doing stuff with the drow twins won't piss her off either

>>3830805

>"She is consistently one of the more out there party members".

You are taking Act 3's stupid characterisation at face value, which you shouldn't. No, she only is "out there" in Act 3, at odds with her characterisation in Act 1 and 2, because they decided to add that into the game as fanservice to weird freaks. Try to fuck anything that moves in Act 1 and 2 while trying to romance Shart, you will find that she hates sharing. Sleep with Minthara after raiding the grove? She clearly gets a bit upset about it. She constantly makes negative remarks about Halsin during Act 2 and suddenly she's enamoured by him in Act 3. She is clearly very reserved in romantic matters, like the sandcastles scene, and so on and so forth. It makes even less sense when you consider that even Selune Shart will justify it all on the basis of Sharran cult indoctrination tactics that she is meant to be revolting against, which is actually quite disturbing when you take this line of thought to its logical conclusion. There's no reason to take this characterisation seriously.

>>3830675 (OP)
I couldn't take 30 minutes of that bullshit either, pirated it and unninstalled right away

>>3830675 (OP)
There are some more interesting choices than that later on, but the game doesn't really even have a "morality system," so you definitely went in with faulty expectations.

>>3830757
The game allows you to do a lot which makes it missing the obvious all the time so much more jarring. There's no consistency. There's a bajillion ways to go about goblin vs tiefling shit but you can't avoid Halsin joining your party short of killing him. In fact, my main problem is that there's only ever two options: "be unconditionally friendly to those horrible people" and "be homicidal".

>>3830757
>justify the Grove raid on the basis that you want to stay on the cult's good side to learn more about the parasite
This never comes into play, in fact raiding or keeping the Grove is completely inconsequential except you lose the best merchant in the game and I guess some xp.
It would have been cool if Moonrise and the Inn were mutually exclusive. So if you raid the grove you get access to Moonrise and infiltrate the cult directly, if you dont then the cultists dont trust you and you have to work with the harpers. But that would have been too much effort for Larian.
>or simply as a mercenary who thinks the cult gives the MC a better deal
The cult doesnt give you any deal, they are just more respectful to you than the dickheads in the Grove. Again, cool idea that the evil faction is nicer to the player but they dont do anything with it.

>>3830677
This and
>>3830675 (OP)
Who told you that and what exactly was used to emphasise this? Any particular examples?

>>3830677
>>3830679
>>3830703
>>3830735
>>3830885
>got told (kek)

>>3830675 (OP)
thats because you are too stupid to understand nuances
>>3830703
can you explain to me how killing tiefling (literal satan-looking cunts) refugees pestering druids and making demands on them while occupying their grove is a bad thing?

>>3830872
Halsin is one of the worst characters in the game. Can't argue with that. As far as I can tell, his prominence is a result of fanservice crap. The game is really brought down by all of these Millennial slop writers.

>>3830873
All of the reasons I stated are in the game as reasons you can tell people you want to side with the goblins. Off the top of my head, you can tell Minthara that you want paid and tell Zevlor that the Absolute made a better offer. Whether or not you actually do get paid in the end, or lose access to vendors, shouldn't factor in for your character's motivations (that's called metagaming, not roleplaying). I do agree that it should've been made more consequential in subsequent acts (although there are some differences, like meeting Marcus at Last Light first instead of Mol or the other tieflings, and he sets you further down a coherent "infiltration" narrative, which can continue until the end of the Act until you meet Ketheric (who is pleased with you) until the brain tentacle reveals you have the artefact, but that's not really what OP is talking about. OP is claiming there are only two options which are murder man or hero man, which definitely isn't true, especially in Act 1.

>>3830894
Halsin had a lot background in the story, but act 2 was gutted, like 90% of it. Most of it is just barely mentioned, if at all. What halsin is now isn't even a shadow if what was initially planned. In a other thread it's discussed how team cherry had too much fun during development and suddenly it took 7 years. That's how I picture larian, too. They wasted 5 years on the ea part and then ran out of time. Bad management.
Iike the story they had in mind before gutting it. It was a huge epos about the legendary mindflayer the emperor that's so powerful that he even played the nether rain, but they clearly wrote themselves into a corner.

>>3830896
>Halsin had a lot background in the story

I didn't know that. Maybe he would have been an interesting character if he wasn't turned into bear sex fanservice. I will only judge what's in the game, though, and for him it's really bad.

>>3830901
He was never meant to join the army, but fans were loud and larian is full of greedy cretins, rest is history, as they say.

>>3830894
>Halsin is one of the worst characters in the game. Can't argue with that. As far as I can tell, his prominence is a result of fanservice crap. The game is really brought down by all of these Millennial slop writers.
He’s the self insert of one of the writers. That’s why he’s swole even though he has 10 str or whatever.

>>3830926
Yeah, he sucks but I'll be fair to the writer on that swole point. I did the same thing on a Sorcerer character, and decided that the reason was he only worked on the glamour muscles. I thought it was funny.

>>3830894
>that's called metagaming, not roleplaying
Thats just an excuse for shitty writing.
There is some fluff text where you can talk about a reward (I dont even remember that) but its completely irrelevant because this reward doesnt come up at all. You never collect it, you can never ask for it, its just mentioned in a few throwaway lines that change nothing and that was enough to fool people into thinking the game had great roleplaying.
If your character can pursue a goal but that goal just turns out to be non existent, then thats just shitty writing and has nothing to do with "metagaming".

>>3830948
I do agree that there is a general lack of evil content substitutes, such as a unique reward in this case, or access to a different vendor that has some good evil exclusive gear. The fact remains however that from a "roleplaying as a character in Faerun" perspective there are plenty of options to justify whatever's going on around you other than "I like murder" and "I dislike murder", which was OP's point. Playing a character and thinking "How would my character act in this scenario? Well, he'd kill the goblins to get access to the Evasive Shoes in Act 2" is not how you're meant to play the game unless you're doing a challenge run (of which I've only ever done one because the game is quite easy).

>>3830675 (OP)
>does it get better later
It gets worse.
You'll have a man asking you to get rid of squatters from his house and the good option is siding with them.

Why are the girls so ugly? Which ones are you fags romancing?

>>3830735
Object morality is wrong though.

>>3831064
cuck

>>3831064
>Object morality is wrong though.
Without an objective frame of reference, how can you even make such a statement?

>>3830754
Chuds think being cruel is the same as being moral.

>>3830748
"objective" morality is poor world building

>>3831069
You don't need objective morality to make factual statements.

>>3831064
Objectively?

>>3830675 (OP)

If what you are asking is if you can be pragmatic and morally grey, yes, you can. While the dialogues do, as you described, often go toward parody tier extremes, which in setting is kind of understandable, at the end of the day the game does give you more freedom than most.

For example, in act 1 the game will heavily push you for option 1) save the refugees and druids or option 2) massacre them all and bathe in their blood but there is secret option number 3) Do nothing and leave them to their fates so you can certainly do whatever as long as you accept the consequences.

>>3831244
>You don't need objective morality to state, "objectively", that objective morality is "wrong"
>>3830735
>The concept of objective morality might hurt someone’s fee fees. Just do whatever feels good! That’s what’s REALLY important.

>>3831460
>you have to have morality to say if something is true or wrong chud!
Are you people really this stupid?

>>3830675 (OP)
Anon, it's D&D.
D&D is famous for a few things, but the specific thing it is *most* famous for is how hilariously stupidly dumb its morality system is.
Anyone who told you it has a good morality system is playing a joke on you.

Let me know if you still need help understanding some of these big words.

>>3831465
There's literally no morality system. No more good or evil or law or chaos. Welcome to 5th edition.

>>3831464
uhm yeah, thats what morality is

>>3831495
The absolut state of christcucks.

>>3830962
Yes, and?

Is this really too difficult of a moral dilemma to chuds?

>>3830675 (OP)
I could have told you it's trash in 2020 and no one listened.

>>3830675 (OP)
I'll never touch this Satanic pos. I'll never forgive Larian for making it.

>>3831497
as this 13 year old says! fr fr

>>3831465
Yeah explain it to me will ya? What are you referencing here exactly?

>>3830757
The sheer horniness of the other characters really took me out of the whole thing.
Constantly being one step away from a romance/sex scene with every party character regardless of what gender or race your character is took away a lot of the fun of hanging out with the other party members.
I kind of wish you had to actually work to make a romance happen and that they had types outside of being pansexuals who are always into your character.
>>3831069
That anon is a retarded person but I think what he is saying is that objective morality isn't a real thing which seems to be the case due to everyone having different moral codes. Or he could be saying that objective morals are objectively morally incorrect. I don't know. This is 4chan so he may just be that retarded.

>>3831465
>D&D is famous for a few things, but the specific thing it is *most* famous for is how hilariously stupidly dumb its morality system is.
Because the alignment system was always in the service of other systems rather than some hard character definer. Lawful, Chaotic, Good or Evil matter far more for resistance and damage bonuses, for example.

>>3837532
This shit pisses me off so much. When I suddenly start romances basically by accident because I exist.
Feels like cheep harem fantasy anime shit.
Kotor II did it remotely right with Visas for example. You have to really be around her and conversations are not centered around fucking like some outdoors DnD themed swingerclub. So in the end you have somewhat of a relationship, with her alone though, you cant be with her and with Kreia, Atton and G0-T0 and trigger a scat fisting beastiality orgy with them and your cantina slave from Telos even though you just shared a hunk of bread at the campfire five minutes ago.

>>3830893
>can you explain to me how killing tiefling
>how killing
>killing

You really need that explained to you? Nothing wrong with kicking them out to maintain balance, since that's what Druids do, but murder is usually the evil path.

>>3830675 (OP)
What the fuck did you expect retardo?
Shades of grey?
>goody two shoes 100% PC reply (makes pink hearts appear above companions' heads)
>slight grumbling but otherwise 87% good reply (half of your pals nod in agreement)
>'I like what you've done, BUT...' 75% good
>Ok, anyway... 63%
>IDGAF either way (neutral) 50%
>FFS, anyway... 47%
>25% good 'from now on we'll go separate ways'
>12% good 'you really shoudn't have done that' (might start a fight)
>0% good, sarcastic snarky 'villain' put down (palls are pissed with you, will start a fight)
Would be obtuse as fuck and ultimately mean nothing because on one would give a fuck about 69,5% good character or create content specifically for it.

>>3830675 (OP)
Thats why I stopped playing after act 1 ends

>>3830675 (OP)
>got told this game has a good morality system
Who told you that? When did that happen? I've never seen anyone ever talking about this. All anyone ever talks about is how much being evil in this game sucks.