Thread 3831742

Considering how successful and critically acclaimed it was, it's weird that /vrpg/ never talks about this game.

>>3831742 (OP)
I haven't played it yet, I'm waiting for it to go on sale

>>3831742 (OP)
because actual RPG fans don't like this game
it's a game for tourists, mostly the soulslike crowd

>>3831742 (OP)
the threads didn't pick up here much because /v/idiots were trying to do some weird east vs west shit with it as if this isn't a weeb game through and through. just not very interesting discussion around the actual game outside of mocking minigames in rpg combat.

>>3831742 (OP)
I think it’s a 10/10 but in the same way that I think FFX was a 10/10. I don’t really have the desire to talk about either, just replay them every year or so.

>>3831742 (OP)
>/vrpg/ never talks about this game.
/vrpg/ hasn't played games past 11.11.11, the day when RPGs peaked

But fr this is a boomer board

>>3831742 (OP)
what is interesting about it?

>>3831796
Creativity of the world, the gameplay is good (though broken if you exploit it), and the story is emotional and relatable because it's centered around the grief of a family.

>>3831742 (OP)
Timed hits and QTEs = fake gameplay.
You only insert garbage like this into your turn-based RPG to chase trends and appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Tomato Adventure and Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga have legitimate excuses because they're games for younger gamers who aren't mentally equipped for actual strategy. E33 does not.

>>3831808
>centered around the grief of a family.
This is by far the worst thing about E33. Act I was absolutely phenomenal and then the story shits the bed with the family drama in Act II.

>>3831827
You're definitely not the only one of thinks that, I've heard that repeated around here. I don't think that's a bad opinion to have because the mystic of the game is all before you learn about the family. But I think the later Acts connect with people more emotionally. Stories that connect to the real human experience hit people harder than say heroic saving the world stories.

>>3831742 (OP)
Because it's not actually a good game.
It got buzz so some casuals picked it up for that reason alone and youtubers made shitty "emotional reaction scene" videos and they never finished it.
The game even gets worse the longer you play.

There is nothing good about the game. Not the combat, not the aesthetics, not the gameplay, not the story & plot, not the characters. If you like generic music then I guess that's fine.

>>3831742 (OP)
It's perfect so there is nothing to debate about so threads can't stay on 4chan

>>3831882
>because the mystic of the game is all before you learn about the
Mystery gone, kind of like in Attack on Titan?

I wonder if there's ever been a reveal that satisfied people

>>3831742 (OP)
>hey guys it's weird that a board thats about a niche genre never talks about this game which is popular with normies

I don't even need to play it to know that it will be bland at best and mid at worst just like any other redditcore game.

>>3832380
>I wonder if there's ever been a reveal that satisfied people
Yes, many, you just have to step outside of things made by the hacks copying them.

>>3832397
M Night Shemaliyan?

>>3831742 (OP)
That game is an almost flawless masterpiece.
From music, to writing, to optimization, to builds, to voice acting, to level design, and so on.
Every critic you can make about it is valid, yet surface level polishing because that game is incredibly well built from start to finish, it's not half-baked like 99% of modern games.
It's not woke, characters are actually beautiful, the humor is actually funny, the cinematography is top tier.
All that with a small studio of nobody with almost no experience in gaming at all.
Not liking the game is one thing, everyone has his own taste.
But anyone who shit on it with bold claims, I immediately filter them as utter retard or contrarian.
This game proved that small studio can shit masterpieces with 10% of big studio funds and manpower, while the later are unable to shit barely edible slop every 10 years now.
We could have multiple games of this caliber per years, but instead here we are.

>>3832413
weird delusions

>>3832413
>This game proved that small studio can shit masterpieces with 10% of big studio funds and manpower
Let's hope some manager/CEO/whatever with some wits sees the benefits of a small, agile studio.

>>3831742 (OP)
it's because any criticisms of the big plot twist get met with nothing but "filtered"

>>3832458
And the gameplay, too.
The fanbase/shills simply refuse to hear anything that doesn't align with their delusional ideas about this game's quality.

i tried it on a coworker's laptop and it was ok kinda too jrpg for me

>>3831742 (OP)

I´m still playing so i was avoiding spoilers. Game is absolute cinema. 33/10.

>>3832467
>Game is absolute cinema
Damn, it's a movie game? I was going to play it.

>>3832467
>Game is absolute cinema.

until Act 3

>>3832413
+10 Social Credit

>want to play legend of dragoon in the current year
>the gameplay is fun
>beating bosses and minigames is satisfying
>the music is great
>the characters look good
>the story is ok
Very enjoyable experience overall. Needs more Clea though.

>>3832413
>hat game is incredibly well built from start to finish
and then Act 3 happens

>>3832472
Dude it's a jrpg, what did you expect

>>3832488
>jrpg
*modern jrpg

>>3832326
Never played it myself, but what exactly is bad about the game?

>>3831742 (OP)
Static turn based stand-in-a-line menu masturbation. Man they can add all the little illusions to it they want, it's just autistic jap shit

>>3832491
What jrpgs have been for 30 years.

It failed in the only thing it had to do
Make maelle the queen of r34, fucking French can't do anything right

>>3832491
>>3832488
>>3832463
>jrpg
What part of Japan is France in, exactly?

>>3832538
Anachronox was an American JRPG

>>3832545
Maybe there is some scope for there being "western-made JRPGs", but Expedition 33 certainly isn't one.

It takes more cues from Souls games than it does from, say, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Persona. And in terms of aesthetics and tone, E33 is 100% WRPG, absolutely in line with the recent popular WRPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 or Elder Scrolls.

The only reason E33 is called a "JRPG" is because people wrongfully think JRPG just means "turn-based RPG".

>>3832552
>And in terms of aesthetics and tone, E33 is 100% WRPG, absolutely in line with the recent popular WRPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 or Elder Scrolls
This nigga thinks jRPG=anime and "WRPG" is a real classification of RPGs.
>The only reason E33 is called a "JRPG" is because people wrongfully think JRPG just means "turn-based RPG".
That's probably the dumbest thing I've read today. It doesn't even mesh with the rest of your post.

>>3832552
The only reason I call it a JRPG is because it makes that one autist seethe

>>3832553
>This nigga thinks jRPG=anime
It kind of does, at least in part.
A game must be meaningfully culturally and/or aesthetically Japanese in order to be called a JRPG.

I would apply my argument in reverse, too. I count most FromSoftware games as Japanese-made WRPGs because of how overtly westernized they are in aesthetics, tone and feel.

>>3832598
There is no "WRPG" aesthetic or gameplay commonality. FromSoftware makes Action RPGs, hybrids. You have severe genre confusion due to rampant newfagism.

>>3831742 (OP)
because its popular was astrotufed and most of the praise for it came from people whove barely played an rpg in their life

>>3832553
The "J" in JRPG is meaningless if any RPG that's not even made in Japan can be called that just for being turn and party based when that particular style of RPG originated with Wizardry which was from America. People here will get so uppity about the definition of certain genres when a game is not ticking every single box in their mind but will have a pretty liberal interpretation of the JRPG, which historically also gives you much less freedom to actually roleplay compared to WRPGs.

>>3832705
stop acting like a white girl in a pink diaper and overwriting the truth. WRPGs are dull self insertionist drivel.

>>3831742 (OP)

Just finished the game. Wasn´t expecting a traditional happy ending or anything like that but i wasn´t expecting it to be both choices to be so sour and extreme. Guess that´s why it´s called Clair Obscure.

>>3832705
>can be called that just for being turn and party based when that particular style of RPG
Good thing that isn't what's happening. The jRPG influences on this particular game are obvious, from Shadow Hearts to FF to LoD to Persona, it's closer to a jRPG than to a cRPG or an Action RPG or a SRPG or a DRPG. It's not a full-blooded jRPG, sure, it has other influences for sure, but there's nothing wrong with people calling it a jRPG because people who like jRPGs would probably like this game.

>>3831808
Using the basic parry system isn't exploitation.

>>3832751
It's not a JRPG. It's a turn-based Soulslike.

>>3832758
It's a Mario RPG-like, aka a jRPG.

>>3832705
>bait image

*yawn*

>>3832483
While i do understand the comparison, i still think the combat is pretty different, given the fact that its "always on". I would do unspeakable things for a new LoD game though and its even more painful how Sony is aware of LoD's existance (All-Stars scrapped character, Astrobot costume, Bluepoint tweet) and yet they do jack shit with it.

>>3832537
>generic retarded bitch that looks like a stock chick from some graphics card ad
>relevant at all for r34

>>3832751
>The jRPG influences on this particular game are obvious, from Shadow Hearts to FF to LoD to Persona
Any inspiration was minimal and they did absolutely EVERYTHING worse.
It's braindead parryslop with the typical shit western bland aesthetics and character designs, terrible, pretentious and stupid narrative that is too far up its own ass that drops the ball as soon as the first act is over.

>>3831785
>11/11/11
How sad is it that, 14 years later, no one's even come close to topping it.
>inb4 "muh sales!"
>doesn't count retard. Getting NPCs to buy what they're told to buy isn't an accomplishment. Creating a game that people still play 15 years later is. Take a moment to think about just how many hyped up AAA-games for the last decade were completely forgotten a month later. You could get the "reply is too long to post" message just from Star Wars slop alone.

>>3832598
Apply any argument you want, but you're a retard.

Even jprgs aren't really "jrpgs" since the genre was born from Wizardry/Ultima clones.

>>3832925
Who asked you, retard? No one cares about your tribalslop posts.

>>3832955
>e33 fanboy gets upset when people don't say it's a 10/10 masterpiece

>>3832755
>Using the basic parry system isn't exploitation.
No, just poorly designed to the point where combat is easy to break.

>>3833002
I've not once defended the game, it's a 6/10. I just hate newfag weebs crying about "the West".

>>3833072
>'crying about the west'
>when it's one small part of the entire post to highlight the generic aesthetic
Get your meds.

>>3832932
>How sad is it that, 14 years later, no one's even come close to topping it.
Going by player numbers
Baldurs gate 3
Cyberpunk 2077
Witcher 3
Fallout 4

>>3833109
>generic zoomer response #3
Try talking like a human and you won't get treated like a tard.

>>3833167
I'm not the one that cherrypicks one part out of a long list of things someone said to throw several shitfit posts because they mentioned a trigger word of yours.
Clearly you're the one behaving lite a rational adult here.

>>3833188
You're improving, keep it up. Try to speak in sentences comprised of actual words and not catchphrases. You can heal.

>>3831815
Are you trying to tell us you have piss-poor reaction time?

>>3833280
You are telling us you can't comprehend what you read. React slower.

>>3831815
>actual strategy
In jrpgs? Guffaw

>>3833193
>keeps shitposting because he's close-minded, mentally immature, can't handle being wrong and utterly incapable of basic discussion
Ok, if that's how you want to roll little manchild I won't stop you. Not my problem you're mentally ill.

>>3831756
Speak for yourself. I've played over 100 JRPGs (though I personally don't count this as a JRPG so much as I see it as a FRPG due to OCD)and it's a fantastic game. There are aspects of the story I didn't like, but bitching about timed attacks/dodges is like bitching about Super Mario RPG. It just makes you sound like a moron.

>>3832553
>>3832705
It's a JRPG-style game and doesn't fit the mold of a WRPG. I'd call it a FRPG.

>>3833295
Now you're regressing. Keep away from the whole armchair psych shit, it's lame and too easily applied. Get specific to the argument and the words the other guy is using.

>>3831756
agreed, saw this one and the massive shilling, most anticipated campaign, nope the f out of the supposed hype.
would acknowledge the small neptunia fans or niche titles fans than this one

>>3832413
look a tourist and normie

>>3831742 (OP)
Watched a brief video, looked stupid.

>>3832413
people will shit on you for this take because its crazy dickriding but the last chunk of your post is still true
a team of like 30 guys and a fucking writer they pulled from REDDIT completely outdid every major company that has 500+ employees and millions worth of funding
I still laugh thinking about how Riot has over 1000 employees and they still havent managed to shit out 2xko in nearly a decades worth of dev time

>>3832483
def needs more clea

>>3834229
>a team of like 30 guys and a fucking writer they pulled from REDDIT completely outdid every major company that has 500+ employees and millions worth of funding
This isn't much of an accomplishment, one guy has done it many times before. Game devs are hacks for the most part, too many kids who liked games grew up saying "I want to be a dev" and got a degree and have no talent. That's why you see so many games relying on middleware.

>>3831742 (OP)
It looks like the most bland game imaginable, largely thanks to the realistic artstyle in a fantasy setting.
The plot and gameplay are both cookie cutter as well.
That leaves the music which is actually great.
Above average in just 1/4 of those = little to no discussion.

Compare to P5 which also has cookie cutter plot and gameplay, but the artstyle and music are both excellent.

>>3831742 (OP)
It's alright, but there is indeed basically nothing to discuss about it.

>>3834662
>It looks like the most bland game imaginable, largely thanks to the realistic artstyle in a fantasy setting.
>The plot and gameplay are both cookie cutter as well.
It's not bland, but I wouldn't call it original either. It's basically Final Fantasy but Edgier and with Parries.

>>3832923
Youre complaining about a ue5 game reusing assets, were you a retard from birth, or did something happen after birth to make you this dumb?
She still manages to look adorable with her freckles and red hair to me
Make the tits slightly plumper or dont, and my dick will penetrate her through the screen, but cowardly artists act like they have morals these days

>>3834676
Nah man she just bland af some real mid bitch

>>3834677
Its okay
Tasteless faggots can jerk off to the men in the game, you do you!!

>>3834676
you're attracted to fetal alcohol syndrome

>>3834680
Its okay anon
you don't need to be angry cause youre a flamer down on his luck using poppers to remind him of who he used to be
You can do what you want
I just wanna rpg my way to one of her holes, and then do the same tomorrow, and so on

>>3832537
>>3834684
>>3834678
>- How come my digital waifu did not get petabytes of r34 content she's so cute.
>- She's not particularly cute or interesting, hence she receives little attention from artists.
>- NOES YOU IS LIE IT'S LE HOMOGAY CONSPIRACY LE MORAL PANIC
Anon, it's just the simple reality of your waifu actually seriously unironically objectively being kinda sorta somewhat a shit, in most ways. Even people who enjoyed the game don't care about Maelle.

>>3834686
We both know the real reason is that people care too much about her "canon age" when its a cartoon character
I said give her larger titties and strip her naked but faggots like yourself tend to act like puritanical cunts lest they be cast out
Cartoon characters who don't objectively look underage should be fair game IMHO, but unfortunately some people with long noses, fags, and women tend to gatekeep that stuff for their masters

>>3834686
Also queen was an exaggeration but she certainly deserves more than 5 images worthy of being saved
Even garlick from the harry faggot game got more love (not complaining)

>>3831742 (OP)
Parry gameplay is trash

>>3834692
I still don't understand what the point was when they included parrying in a game where you pick your attack options from a list like you do in pokemon

>>3834688
>We both know the real reason is that people care too much about her "canon age"
Anon there are thousands of canonically underage female vidja, cartoon and anime characters who DO objectively look underage and still get tons of porn. You're coping.

>>3831742 (OP)
just another "it was a gay dream" game

>>3834696
I don't go looking for underaged stuff, and I'm not sure how to explain it other than that I have a thing for redheads
She looks fuckable, as simple as that
And I don't care about the age of cartoons when they dont look underaged (discounting her nudes from in-game)
Its fine, but whats not is painting me as a pedo, telling me she didnt even need more than 5 pics (sfw even) "worth" saving, or that someone can't find her hot
As I said, fags are allowed to live nowadays... You shouldn't be this concerned
Now, go back to jerking to sissy hypno like you usually do boy

>>3834696
As for the ones that do, theyre not from wrpgs which means Asian fags won't be doing her, which is fine by me, I'm not into jerking off to 2d anyway
And even artists who were fine with aging her got blasted to hell and back about her being "canonically" underaged
Like I said, I have exactly three images worth saving, she definitely isnt that mid

>>3834715
>>3834720
Legitimate mental illness.

>>3834728
thats something that's included in the starter kit every one gets when you post on any board on 4chan

>>3832923
>>generic retarded bitch that looks like a stock chick from some graphics card ad
Your waifu, sire.

>>3831756
Parrying has nothing to do with souls.

>>3831815
You do know that chrono trigger the grandfather of all jrpgs has timed skills right?

hating on something just cause its popular and ignoring its merits is a sign of room temperature IQ

>>3832552
jrpg means the ones with menu based combat. E33 has twitch reaction bullshit so doesn't not qualify.

>>3834742
>chrono trigger the grandfather of all jrpgs
Bruh

>>3831742 (OP)
>French shit
Hard pass.
The only worth I see in this is to maybe convince devs to put and end to the action RPG nonsense and return to turn-based.

>>3834749
>The only worth I see in this is to maybe convince devs to put and end to the action RPG nonsense and return to turn-based.
Except E33 is the most action-centric "turn-based" game to release in years, thanks to the forced parry/dodge mechanics.

I'm more worried it might convince pure turn-based devs to incorporate action elements because "We want the E33 audience!"

>>3835393
>I'm more worried
Stop being a fag

>>3835393
>I'm more worried it might convince pure turn-based devs to incorporate action elements because "We want the E33 audience!"
Bruh, anyone who thinks this wasn't going to make a good RPG in the first place.

>>3834676
>Youre complaining about a ue5 game reusing assets
?
Her model wasn't re-used, just generic and poorly designed.
It wouldn't surprise me if the devs ironically ripped of Karin, but just made her more generic.

>>3835467
My favorite ATI card was a 9800 Pro, loved that card.

>>3835467
this actually looks better than the chicks in this game.

The ending was ass and half of the game being muh family instead of focusing in the expedition itself was god awful. Killing gustave was a mistake

>>3832381
Play games instead of letting internet communities define what you like and hate.
>>3833623
look a nogame faggot

>>3833620

Dude you're such a fucking faggot. Being a hipster doesn't make you cool, it makes you an annoying cunt who should kill themself.

Pacing was a bit questionable, and they probably should have given you the air ship sooner, and encouraged you to explore the map a bit more. Also Lune and Sciel do like fucking nothing in the entire narrative.
I liked it though. It was an impressive first attempt for a new company.
Will be curious to see where they go with this franchise, if each new game is essentially going to be in a new world, with the greater plot continuing to build in the background.
Why do the family Gommage in Verso's ending? Aren't they in the real world?

Was thinking of playing this. Does this game have a lot of cutscenes and dialogue or does it let you get right into the action?

>>3837810
It's pretty story heavy, takes a while to get you into the action.

>>3837820
How long is a while? Like an hour? And once you get past that does the gameplay continue to get interrupted a lot for more cutscenes and dialogue?

>>3837823
There's combat pretty consistently. I feel like you get to your first fight after five minutes or something.
A lot of the storytelling happens in-battle. It's that kind of game.

>see gameplay
>it's just generic timed input turn based combat
who the fuck is losing their shit over this?

>>3834749
what's wrong with the french besides their modern day countries being majority arab and black?

>>3832380
How many people actually hate AoT's reveal? I thought it was fantastic and I loved the story before the endgame (which I hated because Eren's plan was retarded considering how much power was in his retarded hands).

>>3837937
I don't what others think, but for me it peaked right before the reveal, and afterwards I lost interest. It was cool and all, but not my thing anymore.

>>3837900
Personally I was drawn to it because it looks really French, and I found that to be unique for the genre.

>>3837937
I thought the Marley reveal was great, I can actually pinpoint the exact moment when I lost interest in the manga and it was this panel specifically.

>>3831742 (OP)
Because it insists upon itself and the games praise felt like shilling or a psyop.

>>3837823
Yeah about an hour. There’s a fair amount of dialogue and scenes throughout the game, it’s story driven.

Not an rpg

>>3836937
Hipsters love Expedition 33. The whole notion hipsters are against what is popular is just something they claim is how their crowd rolls. In reality they love to adopt and co-opt popular things and claim it as their own while pretending they are disenfranchised rebels.

>>3831742 (OP)
They got me invested in this world and the cast of characters and then in the last third of the game decided that actually only Renoir, Verso, and Maelle were important and I lost all interest

>>3838107
Man, that's some really awful art.

>>3838107
I like the art, but yeah this panel sucks
The ending is subversive kino comedy thoughever

>>3838522

Does it though. You get personal quests for both Lune and Monoco too. You even get some insight on Clea´s motivations. If there is a flaw is that regardless of outcome none of them affect Verso or Maelle respective perspectives and choices at the end but i do believe they do affect us as the players that actually make the choice.

On one side both Lune and Monoco quests convey that these characters have motivations and feelings and thus they are alive on their own right. Even though Monoco is obviously the pooch, Lune is obviously Clea and Sciel is obviously an Aline stand-in on the other hand you find Alicia and Clea and they both convey the idea that they do not belong in that place.

I doubt the point is to make the final choice easier but all these quests give substance to both perspectives so their presence is hardly useless. People that say they don´t matter probably went right back to Lumiere to fight Renoir and did all the other stuff as post game.

Is that the game´s fault? Kind off but i heard they fixed that and now you can scale that area if you do the other stuff first.

Why is escapism always framed as the bad option?
eva, matrix, all isekai powertrip fantasies, ff tactics, now e33, if I could create the perfect world, live in it with godlike powers and my creations are indistinguishable from real people why the fuck would I choose the 'real' world?
The only people who would are the ones with an already at least ok if not downright great life outside.
Being a god >>>>>>>>> being a crippled mute.

>>3840062
It has to do with modernity being a nihilistic hellhole and sensation and flesh and pseudomorality and modern people completely rejecting any divine nature within existence. It's a whole process that's been going on for about 500 years.

>>3840062
Because running away, not dealing with your problems and not accepting yourself or others for what they are is not a good message or admirable.

I fucking despise the look and style of jrpgs, and therefore I will never play this british knockoff probably written by fat women.

>>3840214
*french, i guess. they don't even have a wiki page, i was looking at the british publisher.

>>3831742 (OP)
Overhyped, FOMO crap
Telling how literally no gayming youtuber is talking about this game anymore, isn’t it?

The true FFX-2 we never got

>>3840222
X-2 unironically has a better combat system than E33.

>>3840075
Anti-trans sentiment.

fuck you, I like it
I wish half the games that come out today had even an ounce of e33 quality

>>3840075
debateable

Alicia should not be allowed to kill herself because she is underage or something. The other Alicia who is not underage can kill herself though, that's fine.
Verso should be allowed to kill himself and take everyone with him because he is 100 and he never asked for it.
But Aline, who is a fuck knows how many thousands of years old eldritch god monster, creator and destroyer of hundreds of worlds, should not be allowed to kill herself because reasons. Actually everyone else should die instead.

The morals in this game are fucking weird.

>>3840424
Bias for the "real world" characters.
I side with Maelle.

>>3840424
It's morally weird for a husband to try to safe his wife from overdosing on canvas?

>>3840459
As Verso would say, there are things you can't outrun. They both lived many, many lifetimes, and Aline made her choice to end it. If anyone had that right, it was her.
Now, under different circumstances Renoir could have been completely in the right. However the story they actually wrote is one where a bunch of quasi-immortal sociopaths wage war on each other for the right to kill themselves, meanwhile the people who were just fighting for a future where their children can maybe perhaps live long enough to reach adulthood get told to take one for the team and fucking die. It's downright bizarre.