Thread 3834077

Post your fangame progress. Post other's fangame progress.
Post fangames! Post progress! Post fanart!

silly bird

>>3834077 (OP)
We should get a proper list made of fangames made, in progress, and abandoned

>>3834316
DRYanon2 maintains his own list of fan projects made by anons. He posted this image on the 5th of August.

I also made one a while back, but only archiving playable releases. As of now, only DRY1 and Naranja are on this list.
https://rentry.org/mtt-fangames

>>3834080
Funny you should say that, I just had a dream about Clover and Martlet going to gun range.
>"Oh nice, they have special ammunition for us birds"
>Clover pulls at his collar awkwardly

Whats this, any of you are actually making a fangame or just discussing them

>>3834407
see >>3834349

>>3834407
this thread is for both, you can discuss an interesting fangame or just post your own progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTtIvFnInY

Found this on youtube. The presentation is unique and pretty ambitious, but the writing feels a little corny.

>>3834560
He also posted this, which is really cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98-ySdwcTk

https://gamejolt.com/p/the-first-two-tracks-of-the-act-1-ost-are-out-you-can-listen-to-th-mzm2v59m
undertinge shared some new soundtrack (still no game progress)

>>3834560
>>3834561
This reminds me of that other series of videos where Noelle is lost in an unfinished version of Deltarune and slowly loses all hope, except that one is more of a shitpost. Unfortunately I cannot find them, but I do find it funny how often this character is subject to such situations.
This spritework however is genuinely very good. I don't have much anticipation for the writing but a third-person horror game with that art quality would be great.

>>3834813
You mean this? https://youtu.be/oHucS5Mn5bM i just searched "deltarune noelle_test" and found it

Also, yeah lol, even the "i aborted geno cus i feel bad at papyrus :c"/"i never did geno" normies who are also icked out at the doe rape allegory route secretly agree deep down that the doe is perfectly ripe for mindbreaking traumatic situations, theres a reason as to why theres so much kino noelle weird route fancontent around.

>>3835027
That's the one. I like how there are similarities and differences when comparing the two. Maddie's series is better in my view as it shows a slow decline for Noelle, but Sever's video is just a test so far so who can say.
>theres a reason as to why theres so much kino noelle weird route fancontent around.
I feel that it loses something when Kris is not around. Besides the star-crossed lovers aspect of their relationship, Kris's relative stoicism makes the subtle responses to his anguish entertaining to notice and point out. He also has deep-seated anxieties and traumas that are constantly hinted at and take some prodding to uncover. Despite being a mostly silent protagonist he's a very interesting character in his own right.

>>3835072
True, but given that noelle thinks that the voice is kris's, you could just larp that kris is doing the "think about noelle" thing while you're giving the options to communicate with her, maybe kris is so worried about noelle that he ends up seeing noelle from our POV whenever kris falls asleep because he cant help but to think about noelle, it kinda fixes the missing aspect from when kris isnt around.

Welp, old thread's dead. 14 days and 2 hours, give or take. That ain't too bad, especially compared to the one before that.

>>3835105
Things are going to slow down like that now that Deltarune isn't the hit new release, but that's fine. We'll be getting a new surge of activity when Chapter 5 releases next year.

>>3835109
I was mostly comparing it to the old thread due to the fact that me and another anon singlehandedly sank that one with a big dumb argument about nothing. Or was that the one before that one?
Hard to keep track.

For anyone that cares about wplace, looks like the OC brigade woke up.
They're currently camping the pixels here preventing any attempts at fixing it. Was to be expected though eh?

>>3835166
expecting maturity out of these retards would've been foolish, so no surprise really

fics are nice but what are some good smut fics?

>>3835201
One Size Too Small

Here is a Korean VN style fangame. I don't think it's been translated into English but the art is pretty.
https://www.postype.com/@balsamina-garden/post/20313260

>>3835201
>pic
seems like kanako takes after ceroba and anon__

>>3835166
i still have a hundred pixels after writing my message, hope the retards are ready because after the weekend im going full scorched earth.

>>3835257
oh so thats the game they want to play.

>>3835258
>these niggers are seriously trying to claim that their oc 'tism is undertale yellow
like i said, parasites.

>>3835257
>>3835258
>>3835259
gotta love furries, can't contain themselves from being obnoxious for more than 2 seconds
like this isn't even a "waah why won't you let me put my UTY OC here???" issue anymore, they're outright trying to put completely unrelated OCs in and make other people out as the bad guys for telling them to contain their 'tism
i mean for fuck's sake it's a practically furry website, you can legitimately put big furry tits on your choice of american city and the mods'll leave that shit alone - there's no need to try and overtake a drawpile like you're some kind of oppressed minority

>>3835166
>>3835257
>>3835258
Not to sound woke or retarded, but this seems like a huuuuge waste of time. wplace should've died out or shut down by now, because all you're left with now are petty turf wars. Should I really be caring about what a bunch of 14 year olds are doing on a random canvas?

>>3835281
this, these threads lately have mostly been just reddit reposts/drama and I am not here for that, I'd rather the threads lay dormant for days with no posts than this

>>3835281
what i care about is that potential players as passerby dont get the wrong idea about UTY.
the fandom is already small enough, the last thing we need is a source of fresh blood stifled because a bunch of redditors decided to make REDDIT MOUNTAIN.

>>3835284
I'm trying not to complain as hard because I have nothing worth sharing yet either, but I'm not enjoying the reddit reposts. My time isn't exactly precious but I haven't been able to sit down and do anything more worthwhile than scrolling for a hot minute.
>>3835294
I think the moment came and went when the original UTY first released. If we're getting a big break, it's not going to be from wplace. That ship sailed about 2-3 weeks ago when everyone started getting mad at Deltarune fans again. Maybe if DR:Y gets a shiny new release during this WAIT, we'll get more life in here again.

>>3835297
yeah i know, but like i said the fandom is really too small for any drops to be waved away.

>>3834694
can you tell them that their shitcord link on reddit is dead? i want to tell the self appointed jannies what i intend to do since they seem to be on our side but im not scanning that qr code.

Ship zone

>>3835320
i'm amused by shuroba being drawn while staroba remains just a line of text

>>3835264
>try writing out that OCs give passerby the wrong idea
>one of the OC spammers erases it before i can finish.
christ. do they seriously think that 5000 ceroba recolors give the game a good look?

>>3835327
anon, genuine question, why do you care so much about it?
pretty much everyone that wanted to play yellow already did, and getting your first exposed to it on wplace of all places won't attract the kind of people you'd like anyway

>>3835334
i dont like how the reddit OCs represent the game.
also i hate redditors in general.

>>3835334
not him, but i think it's a pretty good representation of the community's current state
it says a lot that you can't even have a little drawing area for UTY without OCfags jamming their shit in there and getting mad when told it's not the place for it, or furries deciding THIS is the place for their protogen for some reason, or a guy deciding he's gonna become a janny and give all the naughty boys crosses for putting some text down and 'wasting space' by putting some text down and wasting space
it's a interesting little microcosm, to me at least

>>3835334
continuing on >>3835335 i also want to say that the OC crap is really just a bunch of unwanted parasitism that will hurt things in the long run.
the OCs are, by definition, not undertale yellow.
but the furfags are trying to pretend that it is, that their OCs are just as on topic as actual UTY characters.
its a slow rot but letting it fester will have consequences. what happens in the future when you try talking about the game outside of here and some faggot jumps in pretending that the shu comics are actually relevant to the game?
and dont say it wont happen, because it WILL. these people genuinely cant figure out where walls between topics should be.

I just thought about something stupid for the DRYs. What if you hid the chair guy from the fun events somewhere in each dark world, kind of like the forgotten man? It doesn't have to build up to anything greater like the eggs seem to be doing, it could just be a silly easter egg.

>>3835365
Like a background prop or a npc you can interact with like starwalker?

>>3835367
The original UTY did the former, and I'm personally inclined to think that's a funnier way of going about it.
>starwalker
You could do a lot of visual gags in the same vein. Like how Starwalker shows up in the DR chapter 4 Cuptain tower, you could have Chair Guy be sitting in the tram in DRY1 Chapter 2 or something.
Now that you've brought it up, I think Starwalker is a better inspiration for this type of easter egg than the Forgotten Man. Though considering he's a monster (lightner), maybe you could also give him cameos in the light world like Forgotten Man

>>3835360
You can try to gatekeep if you want, but you're not gonna stop it. Not by gatekeeping anyways. The OCs are a symptom of a larger problem, that being a lack of new content. So as long as the root cause persists, the effects will as well.

I've seen this happen before. I remember when /snoot/ got overtaken by OCs, some anons tried to declare war on them like you're doing. Didn't accomplish anything other than shitting the threads and causing people to post more OCs out of spite. Fast forward a year or two and thee threads are still lousy with OCs, as are the non-4chan sides of the community like the reddits and the discords.

The only solution is to make good new content. Whether that be working mods for the game, new games, fics, or art. Hell even OCs themselves aren't that bad provided they're well written. A lot of the OCs grew into actual decent characters that fit well into the setting and meshed with the existing cast after some anons decided to work with the current instead of against it, and rewrite and redesign them to work.

Its not like that's the only example either. Vanilla UT has thousands of OCs and OC comics. Yet the fandom still makes good content. Hell, you could argue UTY is just a collection of UT OCs. The key difference being that the devs put in the work to make them well rounded characters with a compelling and complete story. As opposed to a bunch of one note wish fulfillment characters.

>>3835201
"A Kitsune's Warmth" by TheTakenCatKing.
One of the very small handful of nsfw Ceroba stories to not have something horrible happening.

>>3835449
read it

>>3835463
...And?

>>3835320
>shipping dalv and martlet
Not something you see often. Does anyone actually ship this?

>>3835475
the image implies it's something that will hurt your soul

>>3835483
Eh, that's fair.
I guess it left me with a sense of longing/permanently destroyed my mental stability after I read it.
Good fic though.

>>3835481
Nope.

>>3835257
At this point i've just given up kek.
The art was posted on twitter and that lead to a group of OC makers jumping any sort of repairs i'd try and do.
Don't see why I should waste my time wasting theirs.

>>3835507
Shouldn't have telegraphed so hard, you gave them time to coordinate.

>>3835507
>The art was posted on twitter
you've already won

I just thought of something.
I was looking through the UT wiki to try and find the flavor text for throwing away the cowboy hat item, and I noticed something odd about the standard flavor text. Namely that it mentions the hat making you want to grow a beard.
Now, I know Toby apparently said at some point that all of the fallen humans were children for whatever reason, but ignoring the fact that that's just kinda stupid by itself, doesn't this flavor text make more sense if the human associated with it actually had a beard, and was therefore an adult? Cowboys aren't usually super associated with beards or lots of facial hair in the first place, unless you're talking about specific people or actors or something, so I don't really see an obvious connection between the cowboy hat and having a beard unless it was meant to imply something about the human who it belonged to.
Anyway, with all that said, it's still a little weird that UTY depicts Clover as a child. Again, I know what Toby said, but he also had to say that out-of-universe, so it doesn't necessarily mean it's actually true since it isn't in the original text. Plus, a lot of UTY's story would make more sense if Clover was even just slightly older, as opposed to being around the same age as Kris.

>>3835511
>so I don't really see an obvious connection between the cowboy hat and having a beard unless it was meant to imply something about the human who it belonged to
Maybe. Could also just be referring to how cowboy's are a rather rugged sort, beards being a common feature associated with them in film.

>>3835507
>The art was posted on twitter and that lead to a group of OC makers jumping any sort of repairs i'd try and do.
well might as well tie a bow on the fucking thing then, it's just gonna be a bunch of xitterfags jerking each other off from now on

>>3835481
>>3835493
I can’t see Dalv not being gay. Look at him.

>>3835545
I think that's why people tend to ship him with Starlo most of the time, when Starlo isn't ending up with Ceroba or Dina anyway.
I've also seen like one person shipping Dalv with Axis, but I think that's a unique case.

>>3835549
Corn Yaoi is fucking retarded. Why would Starlo go bi for Dalv of all people. There’s only one scene where they’re on screen together and I don’t think they even talk. If you have to have gay Starlo for whatever reason, why not with Ed or Ace?
>I've also seen like one person shipping Dalv with Axis
That’s also dumb but somehow less dumb than corn yaoi. Dalv would most likely just end up with some human dude on the surface.

>>3835551
>Dalv would most likely just end up with some human dude on the surface.
No, Dalv should end up with that balloon.

>>3835551
>That’s also dumb but somehow less dumb than corn yaoi.
I forget the user in particular, I saw them on twitter a few months back, but I think the reason they shipped Dalv and Axis was because Axis is a robot and Dalv can make electricity. I think the ship name was "sparkplug" or something like that, though I may be getting the exact play on words wrong.
Actually, wait a minute, why can Dalv make electricity? He's clearly supposed to look like a vampire, and while I don't know what powers vampires typically have that would fit into the world of UT, I wouldn't have said electricity as my first choice if I'm being perfectly honest.

>>3835558
>why can Dalv make electricity?
Because the devs were 15 when they made him and thought that a vampire with lightning abilities would be cool.

>>3835560
>Because the devs were 15 when they made him and thought that a vampire with lightning abilities would be cool.
To be fair, that's far from the weirdest power set I've seen vampires have.
Dalv could've easily attacked Clover with space ripper stingy eyes instead.

>>3835561
Dalv would unironically be a better character if he was just a knockoff Dio or Alucard

>>3835563
>Dalv would unironically be a better character if he was just a knockoff Dio or Alucard
Would he have been? I feel like having a character at all similar to Dio would be a pretty good way to completely derail the story. Or just a repeat of the mad dummy.
I could see it working as a shitpost though, maybe.
Dio has a kind of personal hatred towards the Joestars, despite only really knowing one of them. Plus, the Joestars have a lot of personality and character in the ways they interact with their enemies, whereas UT protagonists and Clover specifically are more blank slates, so I'm not too sure how well a Dio vs. JoJo dynamic would work here. Maybe if the fallen humans were more closely associated with each other you could pull it off by having Dio-Dalv recognize Clover as a different human immediately, but it'd take a lot of reworking.

>>3835567
My idea was to have him larping as an evil vampire, possibly because of the incident with integrity, but that feels too similar to Starlo.

I read Elektiontruckung after seeing it brought up in the previous thread. I can't believe Andrew Cunningham predicted this shit.

>>3835320
The OCs are encroaching more and more

>>3835608
What the fuck is happening in the bottom right?

>>3835569
He could be acting scary to try and scare you away, then once he realizes it isn't working, he crumbles and asks you to at least make it quick.

>>3835612
Looks like a Lisa character being drawn over an OC ship to me.

>>3835608
These OCs. The OC shipping is intensifying to the point that we may not be able to contain it.

>>3835612
it's the bassist from that one famous band

Ey, anyone else here ever read this: https://archiveofourown(replace this with a ".")org/works/64413805/chapters/165380542
I found this fic while searching for some good UTY stuff to read on AO3, and it's definitely interesting. Takes some pretty big fucking liberties with how smart/capable Ceroba is, but it almost feels like a cross between UTY and Soma.

>>3835407
That or just make an uty fangame

>>3835407
Honestly, this is probably the best way of putting it.
However, I think UTY may be unsalvageable in this regard. The original UT has a lot of OC stuff out there, and a lot of alternate versions of existing characters that are basically just OCs at this point, but UT also has way more material to work with when it comes to making new stuff for that world. Alternate timelines, new circumstances, new "what ifs?", UT had so much going on that there are hundreds of thousands of different stories you could tell based on it, that's why it's lasted so long. And yeah, UTY is a part of that. Some people took a look at one of the parts of UT's world and story that they could expand on, and they did, and that gave us UTY.
The issue here though is that UTY just doesn't have that same kind of potential for new stories that UT did. There's very little ambiguity where it matters in UTY, while UT had so many interesting questions left unanswered that people have been making stories about them for nearly a decade now.
Fundamentally, UTY just doesn't have that same room for new stories without making something entirely new, and at a certain point, it stops being UTY after a while.
This is why UT had years worth of speculation and fan content about a character that we never even get to really see, while UTY gets Shu.
It really was just a matter of time.

>>3835549
>>3835551
People ship starlo with dalv because:
>Obligatory gay ship, and ceroba x martlet doesnt cut it because the uty fandom really hates momlet and would rather kill themselves and stick with momroba all the way to the uty fandom's death than to take a third choice and allow it to coexist with momlet
>corn yaoi fags also hate Staroba because its a popular straight ship, and for the ceroba x OC fags, staroba gets in the way of their ships, so the fans of these ships will take any opportunity to downplay staroba
>its also the faggiest ship because theyre both twinks, which makes it an automatic winning ship against other gay options, and there arent objectumchads to take the dalv/starlo x (steamworks bot) pill

>>3835608
Mother 3 x uty ship on the bottom right? Based??

>>3835645
>objectumchads
Well, that's a bit biased then isn't it?
I actually don't disagree with too much of what you've said, but I will say that I'm pretty sure momlet is still a fairly popular thing in the UTY community, and probably still much more popular than momroba is.
also
>the dalv/starlo x (steamworks bot) pill
>(steamworks bot)
Not even specifically Axis? Just any old robot from the steamworks?
Starlo/Jandroid when?

>>3835645
>the uty fandom really hates momlet and would rather kill themselves and stick with momroba all the way to the uty fandom's death
I've never understood this. How come the overwhelming majority of people prefer Ceroba adopting Clover over Martlet?
I imagine most people agree with me here, so I'd rather not preach to the choir. But do any of you prefer Momroba, and if so why?

>>3835654
1. Ceroba has parent experience.
2. In the context of after the Pacifist Battle, Momroba is viewed as redemption for her. An apology for her treachery and second chance as a mother.

>>3835650
Maybe a bit, but it does explain why axis x other characters ships are rare, all im stating is that starlo x dalv is like the faggiest ship out there for the uty fandom, and sure, you could prob dig around for a gayer ship involving some other side character, but its not like it would matter given that most people care more about the important uty main cast than the guys with barely any dialogue compared to the main cast.

Also yeah maybe i shouldve said "(any steamworks bot)" instead, which includes axis.

>>3835644
Well, there's a reason we call these the "UT fangame threads" and not the "UTY threads". That's what allows to have new original content and keep discussion alive. If Reddit kills itself, that really isn't much of our concern.

>>3835641
I do wonder if a proper DRY release would revitalize UTY discussion.

i probably had a schizophrenic breakdown since ive started making ai slop loras for all the characters of yellow that don't have them
i don't know why
dina
>https://civitai.com/models/1911911/dina-undertale-yellow-character-nai
dalv
>https://civitai.com/models/1906846/dalv-undertale-yellow-style-nai
axis
>https://civitai.com/models/1883409/axis-undertale-yellow-character-nai
moray
>https://civitai.com/models/1877818/moray-undertale-yellow-character-nai

>>3835685
we dont like your kind here

>>3835645
I don’t care for corn yaoi, but this seems like a biased response from a Staroba fag. Staroba is the most popular ship in general, but notice how barely any Staroba content gets made compared to last year while Corn Yaoi and selfshippers of Starlo or Ceroba churn out more content?

It’s because the devs needed to force a ship to at least have some ship bait in an Undertale fangame probably. Starlo and Ceroba show closeness in game, but neither side flirts with each other at all. It’s a huge case of why “show don’t tell” is important because Crestina drops the “oh yeah Starlo has a crush on Ceroba” line to a random stranger (could you honestly imagine having a secret like that be outted to some 12 year old). Also, there’s really not much to Starlo and Ceroba’s dynamic. They’re childhood friends and loyal to each other. That’s not very interesting. For crack ships and self ships, you can create a dynamic yourself with Starlo or Ceroba not seen in Staroba

Doesn’t help Starlo looks like a faggot btw

>>3835808
Samefag and also
>staroba gets in the way of their ships, so the fans of these ships will take any opportunity to downplay staroba

Anon I like Staroba, but none of these people are downplaying it. They just have preferences, and it’s technically not even canon. I don’t know why you’re making this argument in here out of all places anyway because people here prefer Cerojin or hmofa faggotry

>>3835551
>Ed and Ace
Neither of these characters are attractive or relevant enough to be shipped with Starlo. Starlo is the only attractive male character, but 2nd place to him is probably Dalv. People like vampire romances. There’s your answer on why it’s him and not those two

>>3835654
for me its because I want to marry the bird, and I dont have a mommy fetish. Ceroba is a character who clearly has a lot of love to give when her 1 braincell isn't sabotaging her, and would likely be a good mother if you kept her away from any form of mad science.

>>3835820
>Samefag

>>3835808
>Also, there’s really not much to Starlo and Ceroba’s dynamic
there's actually one really big thing is that Starlo isn't afraid to stand up to ceroba which is something she needs in her life to keep her from some terrible mistakes. he got his ass handed to him for it but he's clearly not afraid to stand up and tell her to get her head right and that would play out really well after the story if she starts learning to rely on the people around her instead of fly off the deep end on desperate hopes.That one trait alone is a good dynamic as long as ceroba doesn't get murderous again which realistically there's no reason to if she learns to leave chujins mad science in the past.

>>3835834
Anon, that means I want to samefag to my own post

>>3835726
If all he's doing is sharing the models he's made, and not spamming slop images or slop text, then its fine. There's a finite quantity of UTY characters he can make models for and it can all be done in one or two posts.

>>3835836
I agree with you on that, but it kind of goes to show for me at least that Staroba is more interesting as one-sided on Starlo’s part. What’s disappointing though is that some Staroba fags reduce Starlo into being a “Ceroba’s orbiter” (this is probably because they want to waifu Ceroba themselves without creating a self insert), and I’ve seen a few that think Starlo would have just completely brushed off Ceroba killing Clover if that were to ever happen

>>3835863
I think it wouldn't be ultimately one sided because ceroba is shown as a very loving and driven woman when she's not injecting people with mystery chemicals. its not something that endears her specifically to starlo over someone else, but just a general positive trait (again if she's got someone to help reign her in. its maybe a little leaning towards one sided but not in an unhealthy way. The ceroba orbiter thing though is indeed wild, I think thats people projecting their own oneitis feelings onto the pairing when as mentioned starlo is not afraid to stand against ceroba. I've seen that art of the "down boy" meme with ceroba yelling at starlo and it is impressively far from the characters. Time since the game has released has caused people to forget that Starlo has guts, he just got a bit overly lost in his sheriff roleplay is all.

Still id say starlo brings more to the relationship overall, but its something positive that he does bring

>>3835867
no one really posts Cool starlo art so I'm limited to like 4 images when he comes up. But overall while it may be a somewhat onesided relationship at least leaning towards starlo, there's some amount of dynamic there, and if starlo likes women like Ceroba he probably likes women that have some of that "fire" in them. this makes it ever so much less likely that he would go for dalv if he was gay. that would be the polar opposite of the kind of person he'd want. the little we've seen of dina makes her genuinely the second most likely candidate for starlo to go after

>>3835863
>I’ve seen a few that think Starlo would have just completely brushed off Ceroba killing Clover if that were to ever happen
NTA, and this is technically unrelated, but this reminds me of a fic I read taking place in the kfft timeline where Starlo actually does turn on Ceroba and make her face consequences for what she did to Clover and Kanako when he finds out about everything.
While it isn't nearly as fundamental to his character as it is to someone like Clover, Starlo is supposed to be someone who highly values the concept of justice, so I do like the idea that he'd be willing and able to do the right thing, even against someone he used to love.

>>3835511
>Now, I know Toby apparently said at some point that all of the fallen humans were children for whatever reason, but ignoring the fact that that's just kinda stupid by itself, doesn't this flavor text make more sense if the human associated with it actually had a beard, and was therefore an adult?
It's not exactly uncommon for little kids to want to be "grown-up" and look cool. Sorry, but unless the guy was a paraplegic I don't see Asgore beating an adult human.

>>3835898
Wheres this fic at?

>>3835985
Asgore could win if he didnt hold back, like, if he couldnt beat an adult human he wouldn't have survived the human-monster war on the first place

>>3835988
Right here: https://archiveofourown(replace this with a ".")org/works/65619691
This fic does also contain Petaly, so make of that what you will. I'd say it's pretty alright for a one-shot.
Also, kinda disappointed that there aren't any other fics about kfft, seems like good hurt/comfort material.

Partial draft of Partners, chapter 12: https://pastes.io/partners-chapter-12-incomplete-draft
Previous chapters on Ao3 under the name Cobalt_Core.

Got the epigraph and the first two POV's written out. I might do a thing or two to the second one, but I'll wait until I have more stuff penned before revisiting. I actually have a large part of the end of this chapter made in advance, since I got stuck so badly on chapter 11 and started writing things out of order to escape the block. Then the chapter got so long that I split it, lol.

This one has been easier going so far. If I push really hard, maybe I can get it out before Silk Song releases, but that's a tad... optimistic, given my usual pace. A guy can dream, though.

I hope it's enjoyable :)

>>3835654
redemption stories are good and i honestly find martlet to be insanely boring

>>3835985
>Sorry, but unless the guy was a paraplegic
>Paraplegic cowboy

>>3835990
If he could kill a single human the monsters wouldn't have lost the war. Remember they didn't score even a single kill.

>>3836097
Yeah, I'm not sure how much I actually buy that.
The intro to the game says that the war was long, and one-sided steamrolls tend not to go on too long. There was a decisive human victory, but I doubt there really wasn't a single human death throughout the whole war, that's probably just a more metaphorical statement about the war rather than a factual one.

So, are we gonna be doing a UTY thread tonight or tomorrow?

>>3836121
i'd say monday like usual.

>>3836096
Here's hoping Cole won't die an unceremonious and unnecessary death in the seq-
oh...

>>3836131
Well the actual usual was Sunday, we've just been making threads on Monday for overtime.

>>3836099
If any humans died, they did so in such a way that no monster was able to capture their soul. Perhaps by disease or succumbing to injuries after retreating. If the monsters had taken any souls, they wouldn't have lost.

So either way, Asgore isn't surviving a fight with an adult human.

Personally, I think the humans simply save scummed their way out of suffering a single casualty.

>>3835867
How did the mug turn into a glass?

>>3836131
Sunday is the usual time.

>>3836142
To be fair, unnecessary and unceremonious deaths are the hallmark of the Jojo series. In UT Clover's death was the exception, not the rule. So Cole has much better chances of surviving.

>>3836097
Well, asgore could kill an adult, but a group of trained army soldiers is obv gonna kick asgore's ass

>>3836158
And never during the course of the war did he ever manage to catch any humans or their own? Never catch any in ambush? Not even in a trap?

The obvious answer is that while he can kill a human, he never would because of SAVE/LOAD. The only reason he scored so many kills in the underground is because the place is a roach motel and puts anyone with SAVE powers in a now win scenario.

>>3836152
>Personally, I think the humans simply save scummed their way out of suffering a single casualty.
How exactly would that work though? Ignoring the common but ultimately unfounded idea that saving/loading only works in the underground, we know for a fact that saving/loading can also induce feelings of deja vu in people who don't even have the power, and people with enough DT are capable of remembering things between saves/loads entirely. So, logically speaking, if a human was actually just save scumming during the war, wouldn't it really only be a matter of time until the people they were using it on began to remember things and eventually become capable of countering it? Like what happened with Tucker and Wyoming during all that timeloop shit.
Plus, only one individual is capable of using the save/load power at a time, which means in order for your idea to be correct, a single human would have to have been completely aware of the state of every human involved in the war, and capable of going back in time to actually stop every instance of a human casualty by themself. I mean, that's pretty unlikely on the face of it, but also due to the fact that it's possible for multiple humans to be in danger at the same time, meaning that they necessarily can't be able to save everyone all the time.

Crack theory dev here, would it be appropriate to post updates in the /v/ threads? Those are specifically labeled UTY, and I've seen pushback against non-Yellow UTDR discussion.

If you want a status update, there's nothing to show right now. Still working on the very basic systems and bumbling my way through making a bit of music/art. Haven't had a whole lot of time to work on the game lately.
The source code is on github (username burgertrucking) in case you're super curious about what exactly I've been doing, but seriously there's nothing worth showcasing right now.

>>3836183
Undertale is a world where game mechanics all exist diegetically. So I imagine the human king just used his power to control everything like an RTS. Every time he loses a unit he loads game.

>Deja vu
Even if they know what's happening, they can't really do anything about it. Knowing about resets didn't help Sans against you, nor did it help any of Flowey's victims.

>>3836198
All fangame discussion is fine in the /v/ threads. People just don't like reddit OC discussion.

>>3836200
>I imagine the human king just used his power to control everything like an RTS.
I mean, that's assuming the human leader wasn't directly involved in the conflict on the frontlines. What we see in the intro seems to depict Asgore and the human leader both being present in the conflict, which doesn't exactly leave a lot of room for either one to strategically plan out their military campaigns, let along micromanage down to the scale of individual soldiers.

>>3836205
Hero units are a thing in RTS games.

>>3836206
I'm thinking of it more like the human leader being a super unit in a military game, like whipping out a jedi in the middle of BF2 galactic conquest. In-universe, the human leader can either be on the battlefield fighting directly, or be hanging out in the back giving orders and making plans, but both just doesn't really work.
Also, Undertale isn't just a world operating on video game logic, it's a world operating more on RPG logic specifically. A human couldn't just fall into the underground and interact with a secret panel to find a super shotgun or some shit and run though the place like an FPS, it's *just* RPG rules.

>>3836208
>but both just doesn't really work.
Why not? We see that you don't need to be in the same room to command your party or to fight for them, as shown by the sections of DR where you control Susie are where you command Noelle to use Snowgrave from another room.

Maybe the human king just has the entire human race as part of his party, so he intrinsically knows what they're doing, where they are, and whether or not they're down at any given moment. Then any time someone does go down, he just loads a save before a monster can take their soul.

>>3836209
>Then any time someone does go down, he just loads a save before a monster can take their soul.
Alright, so, ignoring the kind of mental strain individually managing billions of separate people would have on one person, what happens when saving one human is mutually exclusive with saving another? I could think of lots of situations where saving one particular person would mean diverting attention and resources away from another, saving that first person but killing the other.
What happens when you're caught in a catch-22? We know for a fact that unwinnable situations exist in Undertale, even for those who have the save/load power. For instance, there's no way to get past Sans in a genocide route without killing him. It's simply not possible. He'll kill you no matter what if you try and spare him, it's a temporal dead-end.
Being able to save and load doesn't mean you can do *any* thing, it just means you have unlimited chances to do all the things you *can* do. The impossible doesn't suddenly become possible just because you have multiple attempts, it just makes the improbable more probable.
Getting through a war with *zero* casualties on your side is impossible, unless it's such a stomp that you can't even call it a war.

>>3836209
>Maybe the human king just has the entire human race as part of his party, so he intrinsically knows what they're doing, where they are, and whether or not they're down at any given moment.
Are you suggesting that the human race in UTDR is some kind of centralized hive mind?

>>3836218
>billions of separate people
It wouldn't have been billions. Depending on the time frame it could have been millions or even just thousands.
>what happens when saving one human is mutually exclusive with saving another?
You reset and make sure that situation never arises. Failing that, if they do have to die, make sure they do it in such a way that their soul is denied to the enemy.

>>3836223
Would you call your party in Deltarune a hive mind?

>>3836228
>Depending on the time frame it could have been millions or even just thousands.
I mean, if you were saying that the human leader was connected to every living human, I can't imagine a time period where that would only amount to just a few thousand people. The intro says that humans and monsters both ruled over earth. As in, the entire planet. That takes more than just a few thousand or even a few million to do. Even if we're assuming the war happened in the UT worlds equivalent of like, the middle ages, that's still several hundred million humans spread across the entire planet.
>Failing that, if they do have to die, make sure they do it in such a way that their soul is denied to the enemy.
I was never arguing that monsterkind was able to collect any human souls during the war, I was arguing that it was highly implausible that there were no human casualties whatsoever.

>>3836229
>Would you call your party in Deltarune a hive mind?
Not really. Even in instances where the red soul is being made to act on the behalf of someone other than Kris (outside of the weird route), it never seems to be the case that the soul is directly affecting their actual consciousness. The soul seems to be giving them orders, but it's really more like you're communicating those orders to them, rather than assuming direct control.

>>3836231
What about Noelle?

>>3836236
>What about Noelle?
Pic related.
Still not really a hivemind thing necessarily.

>>3836230
>The intro says that humans and monsters both ruled over earth. As in, the entire planet.
That could have been more of a figure of speech, or maybe the Undertale world is a lot smaller than ours.
> the middle ages
I think it happened way earlier than that. The humans in the intro look like stone age or maybe on the more primitive side of bronze age.

>>3836241
>I think it happened way earlier than that. The humans in the intro look like stone age or maybe on the more primitive side of bronze age.
The human leader/warlord/whatever opposing Asgore in the intro clearly had a european styled straight sword, that's way after the bronze age.
There's a fairly decent reddit post analyzing the details of the intro as well as various other bits of information from the game to try and figure out where Undertale actually takes place, and one of the bits of evidence they use is the fact that the spear being held by a human in one of the intro slides is clearly a rounder Roman-styled spear, meaning the war has to have happened at least around/after the time of the Roman empire or republic.
Plus, if the war happened so early on in human history, that would've had such massive effects on the future of the human race and the development of human civilization, which would almost certainly prevent UT's human societies from resembling our world as closely as it does. So, no cowboys or japanese culture or anything due to such an early point of divergence.

>>3836245
Look at what they're wearing though. Cloth tunics/robes, no armor of any kind. That can't be any civilization with wide spread metal working. More likely their weapons were captured from dead monsters, or purchased from the monsters by trade before the war,
>Plus, if the war happened so early on in human history, that would've had such massive effects on the future of the human race and the development of human civilization, which would almost certainly prevent UT's human societies from resembling our world as closely as it does
What makes you say that?

>>3836251
>Cloth tunics/robes, no armor of any kind. That can't be any civilization with wide spread metal working.
They could easily just be wearing cloaks *over* their armor, as actual historical soldiers sometimes did.
>What makes you say that?
Because if such an apparently massive conflict happened so early on in human history, it would create a butterfly effect resulting in an entirely different world. It's like if you killed Genghis Khan while he was still a kid, or stopped the Roman empire from ever existing. These things and events were so crucial to so many parts of how human civilization exists now, that taking them away doesn't just change the timeline, it would make it unrecognizable.
Even if the actual human death toll was relatively minimal, the war itself is still such a massive and influential event that making it happen at any point on human history would have major influences on how human civilization develops past that, and the further back you put it, the more time there is for those effects to manifest. Maybe the ancestor of an important historical figure dies, or is otherwise prevented from creating them. Maybe the location of a major city for an important nation is instead made into a massive battleground, causing it to never be settled, etc.
A war between two species, both of which are said to have had dominion over the planet, and which is said to have lasted a long time, is too major of an event to not affect everything that comes after it, directly or otherwise.

>>3836254
>They could easily just be wearing cloaks *over* their armor, as actual historical soldiers sometimes did.
With no helmets? Helmets are the most important piece of armor, if you have other armor you're going to wear a helmet.
>Because if such an apparently massive conflict happened so early on in human history, it would create a butterfly effect resulting in an entirely different world
Maybe the world we exist in (or rather the fictionalized version of it in UT) exists expressly because of the war. It could have been a major event in pre-history that led to everything else happening. Indeed, I think humans obtaining dominion over the Earth would be absolutely necessary for the rest of human history to happen.

>>3836255
>With no helmets? Helmets are the most important piece of armor, if you have other armor you're going to wear a helmet.
In fairness, we don't actually get to see too many of the human participants in the war, so we can't really say that *none* of them were wearing helmets. Plus, none of the monsters are wearing them either, not even Asgore. It's also possible that helmets are something of a moot point when fighting monsters, since most monster attacks seem to target the soul directly, and armor does nothing other than raise your defense stat against those kinds of attacks, rather than actually covering and protecting the specific area of the body you have it on.
>It could have been a major event in pre-history that led to everything else happening. Indeed, I think humans obtaining dominion over the Earth would be absolutely necessary for the rest of human history to happen.
Possibly, but that doesn't explain why human civilization and culture in UT is seemingly so similar to our own despite all the differences in circumstance. First, humans have ways of using magic. We know this to be true, because the barrier was made by humans. However, we don't see any other evidence of humans using magic in their society outside of that. Why? Based on how we see monster society in-game, magic appears to be an extremely useful "technology" to have access to, so why would these early humans completely ditch it despite being more than capable of using it? That would be like if people discovered the steam engine in the time of the Roman empire (yes, I know that actually happened, but bear with me), and fully recognized it's utility and potential applications, and then just willingly decided to throw it away with no one ever deciding to make further use of it, apparently ever.
That makes no sense.
1/2

>>3836255
2/2
Second, if humans are aware of the existence of monsters, and magic, and aware of the godlike power attainable by a monster with seven human souls, wouldn't that largely undercut the existence of most religions?
Speaking genuinely seriously here, in a world where it's possible to heal someone's injuries using magic as opposed to hard medicinal science, what exactly is so special about a guy who claims to be the son of god who also does that? Or in any religion that has demons in it's canon, why exactly would people think anything special about that if monsters actually, verifiably exist?
Having the world be verifiably more fantastical than our own would cause massive changes to the spread of religion in human society, but we know for a fact that those religions have to exist in the world of UT, for a variety of reasons. For starters, Christmas exists. The monsters call it "Gyftmas", but it's the same thing, clearly based on human religious tradition. Second, cowboys exist, as a concept. This inherently implies the existence of an equivalent to the United States of America, which would then imply an equivalent to the British Commonwealth, which was a nation largely built on the foundations of the Christian religion, but if the human-monster war happened *before* the rise of Christianity, then it's highly unlikely that Christianity would've taken off the way it did in our timeline, simply because the actions attributed to Jesus, real or not (in the context of UT's world), wouldn't be anything of note in comparison to how the world seemingly is by default.
Basically, it just makes the most logical sense for the human-monster war to have happened at least sometime after the year 0, well after the bronze age.

>>3836264
The war could just as easily have happened in ancient history and been lost to time, along with knowledge of monsters and of magic.

Perhaps magic as a natural resource simply stopped being abundant and the world lost its magic as a result. Similar to how Mars once had an atmosphere, but lost it after its core cooled. Then stories of magic and the monsters that wielded it faded into legend and became tales of demons and dragons.

Its also possible that this is all cultural convergent evolution, and all these things look similar, but have entirely different origins because the writer was writing with a goal in mind rather than with a starting point in mind.

>>3836205
>that's assuming the human leader wasn't directly involved in the conflict on the frontlines.
Anon, monarchs only die in bed, unlike asgore, he prob just stayed back and commanded the troops around player-style

>>3836208
>I'm thinking of it more like the human leader being a super unit in a military game
If you played fire emblem, you would know that the strongest unit isnt necessarily the leader, but the other units who have great potential

>>3836274
>Anon, monarchs only die in bed, unlike asgore, he prob just stayed back and commanded the troops around player-style
How about Alexander the Great? He lead from the front all the time. Sure, he died out of battle, but no one really knows what exactly did him in in the end anyway.

>>3836236
Ymean the scene where noelle's saying "thank you"? Thats just noelle jamming her fingers up her own pussy and kris freaking out over the visual image in their mind, Toby would obviously be labelled a pedophile and a "you think victims like it!!" chud if he drew a scene like that so he didnt, but either way, its most likely not hurting kris's consciousness, its just them freaking out

>>3836276
There are exceptions, but usually the king has to stay back because dying in battle would be a catastrophe for his own people, which is why it doesnt happen often, there isnt much benefit to risking your head getting kicked in

>>3836279
Yes, but we're talking about a leader representing an entire race, not just a nation or a smaller group or something like that. So, how about a more fitting comparison.
What about the Emperor of Man?

I'm sure you two are well aware of it already, but Toby legitimately never thought of any of this. He focused on releasing the game and developing the meta commentary over the little details, since Undertale was sort of a test drive for Deltarune.
>"They sealed the monsters underground with a magic spell"
>..."But they (humans) will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic"
>"While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water"
>"Without candles or magic to guide them Home, the monsters used crystals to navigate."
The game contradicts its own lore, practically in the same breath, and refuses to elaborate. If the story has to be retold when what's there isn't enough, then so be it.

>>3835654
Most people just have Ceroba adopting Clover despite narrative clearly showing that it would be Martlet, simply to try and conveniently dismiss Ceroba's actions or to make her look good.
Some people say, because Ceroba's already been a parent that makes her better, which going to honest is complete bullshit.
In some cases it's kind of redemption thing, she fucked up so royally when it came to Kanako, and just her family in general, and now can make it all better.
Personally while I like Ceroba, I 100% believe it should be Martlet adopting Clover, instead of Ceroba, I'm not really a fan of momroba.
One major reason being, in most cases it's pretty much forced, and kind of boring. Most fics and even au's I've read of momroba are pretty bad, and the few one's with momlet are generally written well, because they're not trying to force stuff cringy stuff to happen.
Outside of it just making sense narratively speaking, in Martlet case it's also more relatable, which makes for a more compelling story and relationship.
Martlet's out of her element, but it won't stop her from doing everything within her power to provide for Clover, and generally she's also a very vital source for emotional support for them to.
Again I like Ceroba, but I do not like or agree with momroba, and I much prefer momlet over it.

>>3836302
This. The worldbuilding in Undertale (and to a lesser extent Deltarune) is terrible but it doesn't really matter since that's not the focus of the story. It's much less fleshed out than, for example, Gargoyles, which plays on a similar concept of monsters being sealed away in a time when magic was known and humanity completely forgetting about them. The past and future don't matter because they lie outside the control of the player, which is the main focus.

>>3836302
>>3836350

>>3836350
>and to a lesser extent Deltarune
In what ways do you think Deltarune's worldbuilding is bad? I think it's a huge step up from Undertale and actually rather coherent so far. I know chapters 3 and 4 came out very recently, but I do think the first two chapters' narrative holds up way better under years of scrutiny than Undertale's ever did. And I mean both the lore and general storytelling.

>>3836405
That's a harsh way of putting it, but David Lynch was the same way and people love his works. Undertale and Deltarune have metacommentary and character depth to explore so "the game is only vibes" is not entirely true. Worldbuilding is just one part of a game.
>>3836420
To be fair, Deltarune is not complete so we don't have the complete picture. Its weaknesses so far come from recycling many concepts and characters from Undertale, though I love them. Deltarune's light world doesn't have magic, so how do monsters with "magic" forms even exist? Organic monsters bleed like humans, but also seem to turn into dust after death (unless if they're cremated). The prophecy is meant to impact the whole world, but this tiny town is the only place that's relevant to it. Are dark worlds only able to be created in Hometown? How does time work, with apparently lengthy generated history once a fountain is created but with roughly matching time to the light world afterwards? How does that match up with darkners having the memories of their light world objects? What would happen to an animal or creature without a soul if it entered a light world? For that matter, why is there not a single not-monster animal in the entire game? Do SOULs work the same way as in Undertale, with humans>boss monsters>all other monsters, or is the terminology recycled with little commonality in how things work?

I don't want to nitpick because Deltarune is a fantasy story like Alice in Wonderland or Labyrinth (as opposed to something like Lord of the Rings, which is very detailed), but some of these questions are important and difficult to resolve, and fans regardless get nitpicky. It's very obvious where Toby wanted to have all lightners be humans and darkners be monster transformations, and while he changed away from that for the better it left glaring lore gaps.

>>3836056
aw yeah lets do this

>>3836302
>first two lines
I'm pretty sure what the game means with that is that while monsters are inherently capable of using magic to an extremely personalized degree, humans can only apparently use magic in extreme specific ways, and usually only with the help of outside tools, since we see the human mages in the intro using staffs and books and whatnot.
So, "they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic" and "They sealed the monsters underground with a magic spell" are both still true and non-mutually exclusive, it just means humans are much less proficient with magic when compared to monsters, at least naturally.
Magic appears to behave oddly in the UTDR world. As a word itself, magic appears to be used both to refer to what monsters are made out of (where it appears to act similar to Phlogiston, as a kind of matter that holds them together and is dispersed when they are destroyed), but also generically refers to the actual act of using magic and magic abilities.
The line "Without candles or magic to guide them Home, the monsters used crystals to navigate." could mean that they didn't have a *specific kind* of magic capable of guiding their way through the dark, as opposed to lacking magic in general, like a mana system or something.

I'm gonna make a /v/.

A new thread was made, but it was immediately autosaged
>>>/v/719500217

>>3836517
I can still comment in the thread so it's not sagged yet.

>>3836520
thats not what autosage means, it means posts wont bump the thread even before bump limit.

Well, I tried to make a /v/ thread, and it turns out that I've been temporarily ip banned for whatever reason, despite not having made a thread for a long while now.

Alright, new /v/'s up, for now
Get it while it's hot: >>>/v/719502520

>>3836522
Either you made an offensive thread, or did something to you weren't supposed to, whatever it was.

>>3836529
Eh, maybe. Ban's gone now though, so get in the new thread.

>Astral Disc got cancelled
Another fangame/fanwork to the pile I guess

>>3836577
yeah I found it weird when candleholder just stopped posting updates then the guy's website just vanished, but thats just how fan projects go I supposed

>>3836525
lol the thread got nuked.

>>3836633
Jannies on a rampage again, sad.

>>3836633
Yep, just saw it. We trying again? I imagine someone else'll have to make it this time, I'm no doubt ip banned again if they deleted a thread I made.

>>3836525
>>3836633
OP image was too furry bait-y

>>3836636
If you posted just now, I don't think your banned.
The thread just got nuked, because of the usual reason.

>>3836640
I was able to post here just fine before I even realized I had the ban earlier, so I dunno.
You know, what, let's see. I'll come back here with a new thread if I can make one.

Holy shit.
New thread, get in while you can: >>>/v/719516543

>>3836644
you're a madman you know that

>>3836645
You have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that one, it was perfect.

>>3836644
reddit already took over
these threads are fucking dead

>>3836656
No, not yet.
Just give it time.

>>3836659
A 4chan Sage is literally in the thread talking lol

>>3836660
stop that anon

>>3836660
Thread doesn't seem saged to me.
Sure, there's some dickhead in there, but the thread seems fine.

>>3836659
>Reddit faggotry
>Mini Jenny faggotry
Wow

>>3836669
Just give it a sec.

>>3836669
>reddit faggotry
still in the minority thankfully
>mini janny
inconsequential. honestly I shouldn't have responded to it as many times as I have, people like that will always exist

>>3836644
The drawanon is getting a lot of requests. Rightfully deserved they draw good stuff.
Excited to see what they'll end up drawing.

Eh, I'd say the thread's doing alright.

Hey anons, listen up because I got some shit to say.

>Be me, fan game developer (Not gonna say which one because I don't want it to get flagged for shit.)
>Be part of both sides of the fandom; 4chan and the 'normal' side.
>Be disillusioned with how discord servers about fangames are.
>Have no one to tell it to because there's a chance some lynch crowd will show up at MY fangame's door step if I say my mild takes in public.
>Realize I can't communicate with other fangame devs because it's really easy to lethally offend people even if you're well meaning.
>Realize how Isolated I really am inside of the fanbase I love.

I'm not smart, being part of a fangame team dosen't make me better than anyone. But it just feels like people are CONVINCED that that motherfucker self shipping with noelle is gonna hack their grandpa's hip replacement or something. Typing it here because, where else?

>>3836750
>people are CONVINCED that that motherfucker self shipping with noelle is gonna hack their grandpa's hip replacement or something.
Who? What?
What's happening?

>>3836750
The way the fandom deals with 'complex' issues like queer identity is odd for me. It feels forced, and I'm not talking about how "Ugh, muh toby and lesbiands and mad doll shouldnt have been put-" No, I LIKE those characters and I LIKE queer stories. But the fandom often treats those things like a fetish or a thing that HAS to be there. It can't be casual, there's been people I've known that got kicked off from servers because they didn't want to add their own pronouns to their own profile. A lot there try to be so supportive that they act just like any classic homophobe do, but as opposed to here where the worst I've ever gotten was being called a faggot-tranny plus a groomed accusation: In there I'd get dog pilled by my own people and hounded down while expected to take it up the ass. I want to love undertale with other people like me, but it's some bullshit everytime.

>>3836750
while I'm not part of anything, any creative team or effort to make something other than trying to learn to draw in my own little space, I think I get the emotion you're getting at. the internet used to feel like this place that was not serious business and you could have fun and feel free just expressing yourself and running rampant with whatever creative thoughts communities events and all that, but now even expressing your discontent in the wrong way feels like you're going to get that crowd of people who wants to take silly things on the internet into real life and lose their minds over it. I may not be on the mark completely but it feels isolating in some stupid way, everyone's looking for some crusade everyone's looking for a way to feel better and it ends up just making everything worse, every little place to be just that much more miserable to be in. I love little corners like these threads that still exist on the web at least. Again maybe im way off base but thats the feeling I get from reading your post.

>>3836751
Nothing recent. I've been on the fandom sincce the start, that's the shit I've seen people act out in the past, how they act now, and how they will keep acting.

>>3836759
You spot on, Glad that I can share that with someone else. When everyyone acts like everything is the end of the world, that kills your vibe. It feels worse because Ive seen good people, talked with them, and yet I know that im lucky.

>>3836763
Few members on my team ever even so much as SHOW traits that those of other fangame servers do, but that's just a group of one in a thousand. One guy in a yellow server got banned because he aged up noelle to be 18 to self ship when he was 20, and that was unironic banning. theres a side of people in my fandom that actually act like that, they do exist. I hate so much of the fandom, can i even call myself a part of it anymore?

>>3836763
yeah, there's still good people with some passion inside of them out there. It helps to keep that in mind, I used to organize a lot of events on old like, 2010 /v/ and felt a lot of good connection through that, but over the years that sense of community just became more bitter and miserable and you start feeling like there's no place for you to just exist have a good time and reach out there. All I can really say is good luck with whatever you're working on, and hopefully you get to have more of those positive interactions that are out there.

>>3836768
Thanks for the understanding, feels good to hear it. yes, I am typing way too many times and I'm likely going to get ip banned for spam soon; but thanks.I hope that my game can make you feel something, because it WILL come out.

>>3836773
I'll keep an eye out, hopefully by some point I'll be confident enough to drawfag for the threads eventually and end up seeing when it releases.

>>3836750
>>3836754
>>3836759
still surreal that this out of all places is where you can get a mostly civil conversation about UT/DR in the entire internet

>>3836777
if you've ever seen the moot ted talk from way back on anonymity and some other related things, you get some interesting dynamics. yeah you get people who with the freedom just slur out to their hearts content which is fine and all, but when thats out of your system, sometimes people stop feeling the need to put up pretenses and just talk with a sense of sincerity. some of the best conversations I've had about anything took place here whereas you had to deal with all the cult of personality shit that took place on forums, and sadly on /vg/ as well.

>>3836777
I'm gonna get sentimental right now, and everyone has the right to meme me but: As a fangame developer? 4chan has been a reason I've kept going. It makes me feel silly to say but 4chan has been the only spot where my fangame is talked about by people who actually have hope for it. some of my team, me included, search on 4chansearch just to see if anyone's said anything. The three people a month who mention my work makes me feel like i'm actually a writer. I couldn't ever say this in public because, well it's fucking 4chan. Some of my team members could never and I get that, Sometimes I have to scroll through someone saying they wanna gang rape ceroba or something. But, and as a member of the team who's only ever spoken about it in THIS thread, i wanna have it out there that I'm grateful to those few anons. Thank you, to that one guy who's in the know of my obscure undertale fangame.

>>3836750
That's why I don't associate with those guys. I do all I development discussion with other anons here, and don't even have a presence as a dev outside of here.

>>3836785
Nah, that's not that silly. An audience is an audience, and you've found one.
So what's the game then?

>>3836785
I think thats neat and while theres always room for giving people a hard time, if you're working towards something and something inspires you or motivates you in any way then there's always value in that. Sometimes you cant help but be a little cringe, but you just have to embrace the cringe sometimes and ride the waves

>>3836790
I don't want to say it say it,but here's a clue that someone'll get.

>Look in the team credits.
>"TBD"

>>3836788
Oh, I didn't expect to actually find another Devanon. Out of my team, I'm the most lurker who's ever lurked. If you can, tell which one? im curious.

>>3836793
Well that someone is probably not me.

>>3836765
Why are you in those discords if you hate them and everyone in them so much? There are people in this fandom who aren't massive faggots, its entirely your choice to interact with the ones who are.

>>3836773
>, I am typing way too many times and I'm likely going to get ip banned for spam soon
I don't think you're posting that much anon. I've posted a lot more than this and never gotten banned for it.

>>3836800
I'm not, that's the thing; i find a server, realize it it's that type of server, then I leave. And look at that, my discord server list is less than two digits because by curating my discord to cut out everything that irks me I wind up isolating myself.

>>3836803
To find like minded people gets difficult, and im distressed that it's that difficult at all considering the fandom is supposed to be a community.

>>3836803
and it gets worse because youll have little bastions you find that are good, I can deal with finding places where the people aren't all completely like minded but then you have this drift where nice chill places just slowly radicalize themselves with this new age fever to lose their mind over things that dont fucking matter. one place went from a place where there were tons of creators doing all sorts of cool shit and it devolved into nothing but idiotic twitter drama chasing after the phantoms of literal whos as if it was the most important thing on the planet

>>3836785
I don't think its cringe at all, I do the same thing. Being able to talk with other anons here about the game is the reason I started development at all. If it weren't for anons in these threads, it would never have been anything more than an idea.
>>3836796
> If you can, tell which one?
Oldentale. I don't mind telling at all since I'm developing anonymously. I can do basically whatever I want without fear of consequence since I don't have any accounts to ban or reputations to tarnish.

>>3836806
Exactly; I'm usually a late arrival and find the servers while they're already past that and it somehow feels just as bad. Hell, I look at the server for MY fangame and worry "Is it gonna be like that?". Even If i know it won't, it's still a stress.

>>3836808
holy shit HOLY SHIT OLDETALE DEV??? Dude I've spoken about you, im a fan! I've seen your posts while lurking!

>>3836803
Maybe you've just got more social needs than I do, but the /v/ and /vrpg/ threads have been more than enough discussion for me. Personally, I just dislike discord as a platform, so I avoid using it for anything other than talking to my actual friends.

>>3836809
It'll only get that way if you let it get that way. Its your server about your game, you have complete control over it.

>>3836803
>Dicksword
Unfortunately that experience is anything but uncommon. Discord is like one big social experiment to see how mental illness festers in closed chat groups. Even years ago the community around A Hat in Time became unbearable, and it's a much smaller, less stereotypically toxic fanbase compared to UTDR. These days I spend time only in a libertarian server, small friend groups, and a couple clans for multiplayer games. Indie games are essentially radioactive. I don't even try to find any other place to talk about Deltarune, because I know it's a hopeless endeavor.

>>3836815
Oh trust me, i won't. I straight up do cleaning work on members, thats why i say I know it won't. But the fact I have to get involved (I'm not lead developer) stresses me.

>>3836812
Anon, there's no need to get so excited. I'm basically always here, as are most of the other fangame devs. If you post here regularly you'll end up running into all of us a lot.
>im a fan!
I'm amazed I've somehow managed to get a fan despite not even having a demo out.
>Dude I've spoken about you
I'm curious, where?

As a side note, we have threads on /v/ on the weekends that are a lot more active than the /vrpg/ thread. If you want fangame discussion, those might be of interest to you. There's one going right now.

>>3836818
My own game's discord server. Just a few passing comments really, but i've felt the need to share your existence (to no avail as no one cared but that's just live.)

>>3836750
Thats how every content creator in general feels like, im sure toby fox would love to interact more often in public but he knows he could get involved in drama shit, once you become popular or create a fairly popular game/fangame, thou must come on terms with the fact that you cannot interact with your fandom afterwards outside of feedback or events (like the echo flower event that toby has made)

>>3836777
Leftists arent exactly a good crowd to talk about games with, especially undertale fangames

>>3836820
its kind of interesting watching things like this develop. Regardless of if you liked pizza tower, when ptg was developing his game he engaged with his community and made jokes etc, but then his game started getting big and an awkward underage cult started forming on his discord so he made that move to just absolutely cut off and disconnect from the community. you can see that before he was having some good time joking with a handful of people and then he saw the writing on the wall

>>3836821
I feel like politics has very little to do with this sort of stuff, it's moreso just what you focus on. Left and right leaning people can both be irritating if they're incapable of separating their politics from certain discussions.

>>3836823
its when you get to that mindset that every waking moment has to be dedicated to "the cause". had a server that had a person constantly preaching very hard for communism and every single discussion had to tie back to it like "holy shit brother shut the fuck up I'm talking about telescopes right now no one fucking cares"

>>3836822
It's pretty interesting living through it as a dev myself (smaller scale of course but still). Most of my team dosen't particularly interact with theserver all that much even if they used to. And i am noticing a lot of new clearly underage people (If they can be decent then I can't do anything about them, but I know for a fact it can quickly escalate.)

>>3836819
>to no avail as no one cared
Probably should've expected that. These threads are strange in that they're the one place that does care about your random fangame ideas. I remember trying to post about this stuff in /utg/ before I knew about the fangame threads and the only response I got was "lmao, why?".

>>3836825
Yeah, but on the other side of the spectrum, you also have right wingers pissing their pants and crying anytime a gay person or non-white person appears in anything ever, the kind of people who think "woke" is some kind of global crisis.
*both* of these things are annoying as shit.

>>3836826
Kids have always been on the internet, but long ago they would be made fun of and ostracized if they weren't mature enough to hang out. Nowadays you're expected to put up with them. What's more, and I hate to get political, their presence is actively encouraged because some trannies unironically want to groom them and see them as "eggs" to "hatch." It's part of the problem of the internet no longer being a real place of leisure but instead being serious business 24/7.

>>3836829
you dont usually run into those two in the same place, and I dont run into that particular breed of extremist in these communities because they get roped into the autistic tate mindset or other type of shit where enjoying things is gay etc etc. you're right that they are insufferable, but the two types of miserable people are antithetical to eachother so you dont encounter them in the same place. Theres one server I can think of with a thriving population of the type you're talking about and for some deranged reason they are obsessed with powerscaling being insufferable like that.

>>3836822
the corru.observer discord dealt with this by outright banning people that come across as underage
cant do this with UT/DR sadly, with how much of the fandom is underage you'd probably start some drama. you just know those kids would somehow twist it into you being a pedo

>>3836832
>you just know those kids would somehow twist it into you being a pedo
I don't know how "no kids allowed" could be twisted to call you a pedo.

>>3836833
actually that one specifically gets targeted funnily enough with a "wow you're trying to make an adult space in something that is for kids you sick fuck".
its absolutely wild that at any point online I could be subjected to the opinions of a 14 year old.

>>3836835
Well if you've banned all the underages from all the spaces that you use, why do their opinions matter?

>>3836838
Because then their opinions will leak into other spaces, who will get uppity and bring a war path onto you because "Fuck you"- assholes.

>>3836838
they don't, but since modern internet enables them they will create new accounts and try to hunt down your other medias and try to dox you etc etc. its something that it helps to cut off from the start but you're going to have some amount of headache from them just trying to be a pain.

>>3836839
Well if you're not on twitter or reddit then it shouldn't really matter. The worst they can do is insult you in their echo chambers.

>>3836840
and the best response is generally to just absolutely not engage with their campaign in ANY way, but many people fuck up and interact if nothing else to tell them to fuck off which just lights the fire more because they are bored bitter children with no parental oversight and a lot more anger in them than even past generations.

on another note, its funny that we've got a thread to stay alive and instead conversation just intensified here

>>3836845
I'm posting over there, and you're free to do so too.

>>3836847
I am as well, its just funny that this one had so much extra (quality) activity now of all times.

>>3836848
jinx it harder please (¬`‸´¬)

>>3836793
Oh, I think I know which one you're talking about. I could very much be wrong, but I wouldn't say your project is obscure at all! A lot of people outside of 4chan are looking forward to it, too.
Honestly, when I first heard of your fangame early last year, I doubted it would ever get off the ground. I'm very glad you and your team have proven me wrong.

>>3836793
Can I get a better clue?
I am interested in seeing new fangames, but I don't wanna have to go and solve the kryptos code to find them.

>went to the under(her)tail discord to check out fanarts and game progress
>Can't see message history without being verified
>bot asks for a censored credit card picture with uth written near it

>>3836876
>game progress
They're making an under(her)tail game?

>>3836876
Non zero chance that these things will be used for blackmail, this seems too inefficient

>>3836880
Yeah, its what you'd expect from an under(her)tail fangame, mostly.
Y'see, pacifist route is simply having sex with the monsters by using your SOUL.
However, the geno route is just you fucking the enemies so hard theyre mindbroken or something, its not a rape route like you'd expect from an under(her)tail fangame

I love my 4chin
All my friends are in there

>>3836897
You got a link to it or anything?
I'm not actually interested in playing a porn game, I think making a good porn game is a bit like trying to contend with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, but it would be funny if the next full length UT fangame to be completed ends up being under(her)tail instead of like, underswap or something.

>>3836867
Just google 'undertale anser.'
that's your 'answer.
Im avoiding saying the name because I don't want this thread to be findable through 4chansearch, but individual character names should be fine.

Krisellerune and Deltakrus when?

>>3837056
devs from that one including the lead one have already posted here publically brother so i think you're working yourself into a bit of a shoot

>>3837109
you're right, but eh. I don't have anything else to say so It dosen't matter.

>>3837056
I thought you were one of the Wildfire devs, but then I figured you couldn't be since everyone already knows its 4chan associated. Anyways, don't worry about it, people already about the lead dev being a chan user and it hasn't hurt the project any. Hell, even Toby himself probably still posts on /v/. I don't people would care too much if you admitted to being one of devs here. The very nature of the site means that anything you say here can never trace back to you or the project, since you could just as easily be lying about your identity.

So, the /v/ thread's existed for an entire day now, and it's only at 3/5ths the bump limit.

Guess I'm pretty good at my job, huh?

Would clover/cole be a sjw twitter warrior?

>>3837441
no because those types dont actually pursue their beliefs outside of the internet and clover is very clearly a person who takes action jumping down into a hole into neverland if thats what it takes.

undercreator demo was delayed from september to maybe october or december

>>3837441
No, but he would be a comicbook powerscaler constantly arguing with anime fans

Alright, good thread everyone.
We should make it on saturday next time, just so it'll be more active.

>>3838004
Sounds more like a Val thing.
>>3837441
No, those people don't actually care about justice, they just want to signal virtue for others' approval.

2hu devanon, I'm curious about something: what's the planned ratio of canon to fanmade characters? You mentioned a "fox mom" in one of your posts in the /v/ thread, and I got the impression she's an OC.

>>3838057
that would probably be ran.

>>3838004
Cole would have too much self respect to be a powerscaler of any stripe

>>3838004
>>3838018
>Sounds more like a Val thing.
Val is an anime fan, he would be pic related when it comes to powerscaling

cole has /k/ on bookmark along with several pages about foxes, fox monsters, and fox monstergirls. the questionability of said pages increases the further you go down his bookmark list.

>>719662757
>clover and ceroba reunite after true pacifist ending because they both passed away for good
I'd like to think they're in a dark world as dustners, which would imply that chujin has also reunited with ceroba, imagine ceroba telling chujin that she was killed by another human lol

>>3838091
>several pages about foxes
Just regular foxes? What is he planning?

>>3838132
he just likes foxes.

Apparently someone's making a Yumme Nikki styled game starring the Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHGbjtgDcuo

imagine the whole fox family in wedding dresses

>>3834077 (OP)
>/vrpg/ - Video Games/RPG
>Undertale/Deltarune

>>3838193
been a while since we've had one of you retards.
define RPG in a way that excludes UT/DR and not a good chunk of games currently on the catalog.

>>3838199
He'll just give a really specific narrow definition then say the games that don't fit it should be removed too.

>>3838193
RPG is such a generic term that basically any game fits into it. Every game has a role for you to play, that's what makes it a game.
Pong is an RPG, you play the role of one of the paddles. Super Mario Brothers is an RPG, you play the role of Mario.

>>3838201
I think the true definition of an RPG is a game that tries to capture the experience of a tabletop rpg such as GURPS or DND. That can be done in any many different ways, and it can be done to varying degrees of success, all that really matters is that it is at least trying to do that.

>>3838199
JRPGs are not RPGs, retarded faggot.

>>3838203
well we dont have /vjrpg/ now do we?

>>3838199
See what I mean >>3838203

>>3838205
JRPGs are dumbed down simpleton version of classic RPGs for kids and women. They have no real character creation nor character building affected by player's actions. Also, their level design is utter shit. You can throw tantrums, move goalposts and cope, but that won't change anything.
JRPGs are not RPGs, never was, and never will be. You are not playing RPGs. This is not your board.

>>3838202
>I think the true definition of an RPG is a game that tries to capture the experience of a tabletop rpg such as GURPS or DND.
Okay, so, any game without multiple players all having their own custom characters and equal influence on the story, not an RPG.

You know that one running bit in the Gmod Idiot Box with the whole "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials? I feel like we're just gonna end up recreating that one about "no crashing, viruses, or headaches", literally any criteria you could come up with to define an RPG is always going to include something that's definitely not an RPG and exclude something that definitely is.
Genre terminology for video games is stupid, there's no point in trying to strictly define them.

>falling this easy for ragebait
>with a shartjak image no less
c'mon guys

>3838207
kill yourself, wannabe janny
>>3838211
To be fair, can easily be sincere.

>>3838296
>kys
You just told everyone you're a fatherless faggot with no worth. Most likely a tranny.

>>3838210
>Okay, so, any game without multiple players all having their own custom characters and equal influence on the story, not an RPG.
You can play DND with as little as 2 people, those being a player and a DM. Besides most games use the computer to take the role of the DM and the other party members.

A custom character might also not be deemed essential to the RPG experience. Nothing stops you from playing with the pre-made characters listed in the player's handbook, or having the DM roll a character for you. Or the game developer may have simply decided that they can better deliver the other aspects by sacrificing the idea of the player having a custom character.

That's why my definition is based on what the developer intended to do rather than what they actually did. That way it can include basically anything that labels itself as an RPG, from JRPGS, to action RPGs, to CRPGs. Since all of those games make an earnest effort to capture the tabletop roleplaying experience in video game form. They just have different ideas of what's most important to capture from that experience and how to do so.

We're all just as confused and scared as each other. If we all just try our best to get along, and show each other as much compassion as we can, I think everything will turn out all right.

Or something

>>3838338
Woah, is that fucking whiteface, dude?

>>3838188
roba in a wedding dress...

Another DRY take from the wild

>>3838416
that martlet has seen some shit

>>3838416
So it's a Deltarune prequel the same way UTY was for Undertale?

>>3838416
>>3838417
actually now that I really look at it, that chujin has seen some shit too

>>3838416
good fucking lord that kanako face sprite.

>>3838416
>Kanako
Story of Undertale tier bean mouth and her dark world sprite is literally just Roba
>Martlet
I do like the idea of her as a cop, but what's got her fucked up so bad? She looks like she hasn't slept for days. Also the uniform looks a little weird.
>Chujin
Same question for him. Why does he look like shit? Have and Martlet been staying up late working on something? That'd be weird considering she doesn't work for him in this universe.
>Axis
Axis looks weird as hell, and I have no clue what "post dark world" means.
>Deltarune cast as kids
Monster kid looks like he scaled down his teen sprite in ms paint. The rest are adorable. I especially like kid Berdly.
>UTY characters live in Hometown
Bit of a strange choice, but it could be neat to have some dynamic between Cole and Asriel that parallels the one between Clover and Flowey.

Where did you find this? Do you have any more info on it?

>>3838296
That got me thinking though, playing JRPGs makes perfect sense for someone like you. Because they treat you like a baby. No JRPG would have proper choice & consequence and allow you to kill a plot important character when it doesn't expect you to, nor even a random NPC, only those you are supposed to kill by scenario, because the world is so meek and shallow it would fall apart like a poorly done house of cards. No JRPG would give you the real freedom together with responsibility for your actions, both in terms of character building, world interactivity and quests.
These games put you in a casul cage of brainless hand-holding and you are happy with it.

>>3838331
>A custom character might also not be deemed essential to the RPG experience.
Yes it does. Only idiots use presets. Even then RPGs allow you to affect ways of your character as it grows. Some RPGs force you to have a specific name and appearance, but they still let you choose a background or let you affect their masteries as you play.

>Since all of those games make an earnest effort to capture the tabletop roleplaying experience in video game form.
You can't role-play without having control over your character's background or development. Can't role-play either witihin a world that presents you with no real choices or a way to alter it's integrity by your whims. Nevertheless, the latter is not necessarily what computer role-playing games are about. What I specifically find funny is how you never said a word about combat in both of your posts, despite it being a large part of both old DnD and early computer RPGs, with lots of them based all around it.

>>3838416
>GREEN Cole

>>3838467
>let you affect their masteries as you play.
Most jrpgs let you choose how your character behaves in combat based on your equipped items.
>You can't role-play without having control over your character's background or development.
Yes I can. I played the role of rogue government agent just fine in Deus Ex.

>What I specifically find funny is how you never said a word about combat in both of your posts, despite it being a large part of both old DnD and early computer RPGs,
Because if we try to define by combat then 90% of all rpg games would be excluded since its handled in vastly different ways between games.

If you have a better definition for RPG I'd like to hear it.

>>3838501
>I played the role of rogue government agent just fine in Deus Ex.
NTA, but hell yeah, finally I'm not the first person to bring up Deus Ex in these threads.

>>3838416
>Cole
>Kanako
Inferior to the perfection of DRY1

>>3838448
Found it randomly on Twitter, source is in the filename. The guy didn't really elaborate though.

>>3838535
Strawberry Pink and Apple Cinnamon Yellow are hard to beat. These are the only ones to really hit it out of the park.

>>3838501
>Most jrpgs let you choose how your character behaves in combat based on your equipped items.
Are you out of your fucking mind?

>Yes I can. I played the role of rogue government agent just fine in Deus Ex.
Ah, 'tis bait isn't it. This statement is so flabbergastingly retarded I'm out of words.
>Deus Ex
It's an action adventure game. It's role-playing mechanics play way too little role on the gameplay. System Shock 2 had less of them, yet they affected so much more gameplay-wise, even it has more right to be labeled RPG than Deus Ex.

>Because if we try to define by combat then 90% of all rpg games would be excluded since its handled in vastly different ways between games.
Some jfags once attempted to use an argument that JRPGs somehow have proper combat because it derives from Wizardry. And yet they completely miss how shallow JRPG combat is even to 1981's Wizardry 1, which had enemy and party positioning play a huge role - the enemy flanks from the rear couldn't be reached with melee, and the party members from the rear couldn't attack unless they had bows. Wizardry 1 also had class actions like the priest's and bishop's dispell, and in the famicom ports they ported hide for thief from Wizardry 5.
Computer RPGs often do combat differently, but the general complexity is roughly the same. JRPG combat is either dumbed down Wizardry 1 ripoff or fucking mini games.

>If you have a better definition for RPG I'd like to hear it.
A game that has mid-strong emphasis on character building, a fully interactive world presenting the player with choice and consequences of even his smallest actions, and tactical combat. Additionally I'd also say environmental puzzles as they were extremely common trait of 80's and 90's first person RPGs, but that's more niche. JRPGs are not RPGs because the first and second criteria is not presented, and the latter is severely dumbed down.

>>3838550
Kanako is strawberry, Cole is lemon. Together they make strawberry lemonade.

>>3838554
You can use that definition if you want, but most people who develop rpgs and most people who play them use a different definition. So you're going to have a lot of confusion and a lot of pointless arguments like the one we just had, with no real benefit to anyone.

Most people know the genre you're describing as CRPG, so if you use that instead people will actually know what you mean and you can have proper discussions on the subject.

This board operates under the broader definition of RPG, which includes JRPGs, action RPGs, and CRPGs, and as such, all of them are allowed here. If you don't like discussing JRPGs or action RPGs, no one is forcing you to. You're free to make threads about games you do want to discuss instead of complaining in threads about ones you don't like.

>>3838554
>A game that has mid-strong emphasis on character building, a fully interactive world presenting the player with choice and consequences of even his smallest actions, and tactical combat.
Name one game that fully fits this definition.

>>3838554
>a fully interactive world presenting the player with choice and consequences of even his smallest actions
See, the problem with this part of your definition here is that while a lot of RPGs *do* account for a lot of the player's choices, the way they account for it is by softlocking the game if you do something they didn't want you to do.
Like yeah, you're allowed to make the choice to kill quest-essential NPCs, or throw away important items forever, etc, and the way the game accounts for that is by suddenly becoming unbeatable.
The digital equivalent of a game master saying "rocks fall, everyone dies" in a TTRPG session.

undertale kindness (pic related) is now on hiatus

>>3838685
We only care about one green soul game around here. Ya just gotta!

>>3838685
>yet another fluffy gf fangame dies
Its all so tiresome

>>3838695
that's a guy

>>3838696
>fluffy bf game dies
Fine I'll do it myself

>>3838696
Oh, nevermind. He really needs to trim those things.

>>3838687
cody would solve monster-human relations all by himself

>>3838735
My favorite part of undertale is when cody said "let me pan-dle this" and then levitated a grilled cheese with his mind

>>3838685
Everybody wants to make their own Cody and have their undertale green version be popular, but theres nobody who can dethrone Cody UTG

>>3838696
That sprite looks like it's from a Yume Nikki fangame

>>3838696
Was that sprite going to be used in-game?
Man, and I thought UTY was pushing it what with it's basic shading and depth.

I've heard some people say that chapter 1's atmosphere is unmatched and nothing else in the game is quite like it. If you think so, what about it do you believe gives it the mood it does, and is there anything from other media that you think evokes a similar feeling?
I'd like to give every dark world in my game a similarly dreamlike atmosphere, but I can't quite place my finger on what exactly makes it.

>>3838851
>is there anything from other media that you think evokes a similar feeling?
I wanna say there are a few worlds from Kingdom Hearts that give off a similar feeling, but I think that might just be because some of the tracks in chapter 1 of Deltarune sound like KH tracks.

>>3838851
>what about it do you believe gives it the mood it does
It’s the only chapter where “your choices don’t matter” actually applies since in the other chapters you have Berdly/Tenna/Jackenstein showing that your choices actually matter a lot.

>>3838851
What made chapter 1 good for me was mainly the time period it came out it and just how much of a blank canvas the story was. Basically everything was a mystery, and we had no clear picture of where things were going, just a bunch of shot in the dark guesses.

As for if you want a dreamlike atmosphere, I do like those. Best source is always actual dreams, try drawing from yours and I'm sure you'll find some surreal stuff. If you want media, Alice in Wonderland is good and was a clear inspiration for chapter 1. I'd say you should read the book and its sequel Through The Looking Glass, as they best capture dream logic out of any media I've seen. The movies aren't as good on this front since they make a lot more sense than the books (and turn it into a more generic adventure story). Labrynth is good for being feeling like a weird dream. Another source is Yumme Nikke, which was already a big inspiration for Undertale and Deltarune (Mystery Man is a Yume Nikki reference) in addition to being basically lucid dreaming the video game. Try giving it a play. Another game I'd recommend is Off, its a coherent RPG world, but the whole thing really feels like its running on dream logic. Lastly, this is just personal preference thing, and it may not help you at all, but one of my favorite sources of that dreamlike feeling are the openings of Silent Hill games, before all the scares start happening. Just walking around on a misty morning in the winter is a mood, and the whole thing feels like a strange dream.

>>3838662
Wasteland 1, Ultima 6, Wizardry 6, Baldur's Gate 1; Fallout 2 too checks out, thanks to improved companions almost making it party-based and improving combat. Wasteland 1 specifically, the amount of ways you could alter it's world with makes it feel like a sandbox. Wizardry 5 even - it had a rather complex NPC interaction system, allowing you to bribe, charm, barter, steal, and kill any of them. You could also resurrect the NPCs by picking up their corpses and dragging them to the Castle's Temple.

>>3838677
>See, the problem with this part of your definition here is that while a lot of RPGs *do* account for a lot of the player's choices, the way they account for it is by softlocking the game if you do something they didn't want you to do.
Like yeah, you're allowed to make the choice to kill quest-essential NPCs, or throw away important items forever, etc, and the way the game accounts for that is by suddenly becoming unbeatable.
Wizardry 5 had full freedom of player action and didn't have these issues. If you kill an NPC you can resurrect them. If you lost an item you could come back where you got it, the game would check if you have the item and if not, you acquire it again. Besides, the only way something like this could happen to begin with if the player is fucking dumb. You do dumb shit and it leads to dumb outcomes, and it's your problem you didn't pay enough attention to determine who or what is important, that's part of playing a role in the game's world. It's fair, and that's the way computer RPGs should be designed instead of putting you in a cage and never letting you fail.

>>3838869
Correction: would probably be better to replace Ultima 6 with Ultima Underworld 1 & 2, since Ultima 6's character building is rather simple even compared to them, although still very important.

>>3838735
The Codester would have singlehandedly ended the war by himself, ya just gotta love the Codester baby!

>>3838381
chujin in a wedding dress

>>3838853
Which worlds out of curiosity? It's fine if it's just because of the music, sound design is an important part in creating atmosphere

>>3838859
Yeah, it is very different from the rest of the game in that sense. That gave it somewhat of a sinister undertone, one distinct from the later chapters'.
You might be disappointed to hear I'm scrapping the "your choices don't matter" angle and taking the stance of the later chapters earlier on lol

>>3838862
I do agree that the chapter 1 era of Deltarune was a magical time that sadly can't ever come back. The UT fandom was actually rather chill for once, and fan creativity was at an all time high: wish there were easier ways to peek into a time capsule from that period.
For half a decade I journalled all my dreams, but unfortunately I lost all of them when my phone died. There are quite a few I remember, and I think a couple could serve as inspiration for dark world settings. Thanks for the idea.
And thank you for the media recommendations. I have fully beaten Off and played a bit of Yume Nikki, but the others are new to me and I will check them out.

The dreams suggestion got me thinking: I'd also like to know any non-fictitious material that evoke a similar vibe to chapter 1's dark world. Some writers say that nonfiction can serve as bigger inspirations than other fiction in creative fields, and I'm inclined to agree.

>>3839135
Crack theory anon, I had a neat idea I wanted to share with you.

So you're already going with the idea that Ralsei is some kind of soulless hommunculus or flesh automaton who just pretends to have feelings to fulfill a specific designed purpose. Well what if you run into another Ralsei at some point? One that's not quite finished, or defective.

Maybe he needed a little more time in the oven, maybe the magic glyphs were slightly misaligned when making him. Either way, something happened and he came out wrong. Kris and Susie run into him, and Susie confuses him for the real Ralsei, and is really weirded out by him acting like a skinwalker. He acts all chummy with them and is really insistent about them taking him with them when they leave the dark world. At some point while you're alone with him, he offers to tell you the whole truth of the Deltarune world if you'll just take him with you. That's when Ralsei shows up and attacks him. He one shots him with an off guard attack and it melts into a puddle of unrefined darkness.

Optionally, you could have the "fake" Ralsei reform into some amorphus melty darkness monster and have it be a conventional battle after Ralsei one shotted it. The explanation being that its physical body wasn't properly formed yet, so it wasn't quite solid when he "killed" it, allowing it to do the rest of its forming into this. Afterwards Ralsei tells you not to bring this up with Susie, since "it would only worry her needlessly".

The fake Ralsei would be something similar to this, but a lot less corny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n_fORo624o

>>3839135
>Which worlds out of curiosity? It's fine if it's just because of the music, sound design is an important part in creating atmosphere
Some of the "Wonderland" worlds from KH1 and KH:DDD kinda remind me of chapter 1 a bit, but that may still be a bit of a stretch.

>>3839190
>Ralsei is some kind of soulless hommunculus or flesh automaton who just pretends to have feelings to fulfill a specific designed purpose
The first part isn't really the case, but the second part is indeed correct. Though there is still an arc of him and the lightners learning to truly trust and care for one another, or in Ralsei's case going as best as he can against his soulless programming.

Still, a fake Ralsei is a neat idea that could work pretty well with what I have planned. It would inflict major psychological damage on Susie and Kris if it happened alongside a certain late game event. It could also work as foreshadowing for Ralsei and the prophecy's true nature, which I think was your intent, but right now I can't think of a place for it to happen before shit hits the fan.

Thanks for the suggestion. It won't come out exactly as you've described, but I think I can slot the general idea in fairly well. There's a late game boss fight I was having trouble ironing out the details for, and I think you may have gotten the ball rolling.

>>3839201
That's fine, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I also just realised I glossed over something else you said, which DR songs remind you of KH?

>>3839273
>which DR songs remind you of KH?
For chapter 1 in particular, Scarlet Forest easily reminds me the most of KH. I think it reminds me of a world from KH:BBS, but I forget which world exactly since it's been a while. I wanna say the Snow White world, but again, may be misremembering.
Outside of chapter 1, the boss theme for the titan and the battle music for those titan spawns also remind me of a few KH tracks, like Critical Drive or Riku's boss theme from KH:358/2D.

>>3839273
>Soulless programming
If he is a psychopath, then he can't really fight against that. His soullessness isn't the presence of evil, its the absence of emotions. So definitionally he couldn't fight that. It'd be more like learning to live around it in a positive way, which is what most IRL psychopaths do.

Even if he can't feel love, empathy, or any emotions at all if you want to take it that far, he could still be convinced that its best for him, and everyone around him, if he acts like a good and moral person.

it feels unfathomable to imagine drawing bird on the level I see some anons dropping one day, but just trying to replicate her head sprite made me happy. I don't know what autism this game and this bird gave me but its lasting longer than chapter 3 and 4 did for me. I'm not even saying the 3/4 brainworm isn't there at all but not like this

Somebody put Mantle on the NES https://drmelon.itch.io/mantle

>>3839354
Yeah, the characters in UTY seem to have a way of sticking with you.
Stick with it, you'd be surprised how much your skills can develop if you just keep at it.

>>3839359
so far doing a little every day, still absolutely clueless but just now hitting a feeling of "I'm really gonna be able to draw these things eventually", so thank you I really want to stick with it now

>>3839362
Nice, keep it up and "eventually" will be a lot sooner than you think.

>>3839358
Nice, is there any vid showcasing what happens if you go to the 255th level in the code? Since the whole "255 worlds/levels" syndrome is already in many nes games... i wanna see what lies beyond the 3 mantle nes minigames, props to the creator if theres a "Looking for something?" dialogue line hardcoded to appear in the 255th level of mantle nes

>>3839372
It only has three levels then it ends.

>>3839386
Yeah, and super mario bros 1 has 8 worlds, but that didnt stop people from cracking the game open and seeing shit like world 9 and onwards, what stops people from just checking all the 253 level that Mantle NES has? The amount of stuff we could see while playing... like cmon, this isnt regular deltarune, this is a NES game based on a deltarune minigame, and when it comes to 8 bits games, theres usually a 255 upper limit involved

>>3839392
Well if you want to decompile the game then go ahead.

>>3839358
Help me she won't die, I can't find an angle that lets me stab her. Small Susie is even more powerful than Small Kris
>>3839392
Super Mario Bros. 1 has a very specific kind of compressed level layout that allowed garbage data to be parsed as level data. Even later NES games with more complex level layouts, or just games with a smaller number of levels and larger ROM space so such compression wasn't needed, didn't give nearly as "playable" results as Mario 1 or Metroid where the reuse of specific setpieces and said setpieces being able to be represented by a few bytes allowed garbage data to have some structure.
Mario 3, despite having a similar level structure where tiles or groups of tiles are assigned certain byte IDs and then added to the level with coordinate data, has much less playable glitch levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8Ejh-bZ1U
A homebrew game probably doesn't need to do any of this, so it might just hard crash the game if you load an invalid level ID. That's if the game uses level IDs at all; maybe

>>3839416
The hitboxes just seem to be fucky. Try putting some distance between you and her, that's what the guy in the playthrough I watched did.

>>3839417
I eventually got it to work, felt like I had to do a frame-perfect turnaround
Very charming, wish I downloaded the game and played it in an emulator instead of playing in browser so I could have used a save state to test if anything special happens if you kill yourself on the spikes at the end of the fight after you lose your sword

>>3839416
Are there any documented cases of nes games where loading invalid level data just leads to a hard crash instead of glitchy fuck levels?

>>3839486
lots, sometimes they are called "killscreens"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJ5UuknsHU

>>3839610
hear me out
>someone makes an 'infinite' mantle NES rom
>mantle fight right at the 255 limit
>when the mantle dies, you get a taunting laugh right as it rolls over to 256 and kills the game

>>3839652
spoilers for that NES fangame it doesn't actually have the mantle in it at all. It has some self aware OC which knows its a cheap replacement for the genuine article

>>3839662
It would be neat if the mantle/eram only appeared in the 255th level to roll it over to 256 and reach the killscreen

>>3839281
I was under the impression that "absence of emotions" would imply absence of love or empathy. That's something I'd really like to avoid, since the whole point is for the Fun Gang's bond to be genuine. Otherwise, that just reinforces Susie's initial misinformed belief that there is no such thing as altruism and that any action supposedly taken with another's well-being in mind is ultimately driven by ulterior motives. Despite the more cynical take, I'd like my fangame to still be, at its core, "a heartfelt story of humour and friendship".

As such, I'm having trouble conceptualising how one who cannot feel emotions can go on to genuinely bond with another person. If you happen to know anything off the top of your head, may I ask for some recommended reading to learn more about the psychology behind this? Something like informational pieces or examples of historical figures who managed their condition would really help point me in the right direction.

For context, the character dynamic I wanted to go for was something akin to Rei from Evangelion or Fi from Zelda, where these emotionless, robotic characters eventually grow attached to their peers. Ralsei would be outwardly friendly rather than stoic, but somewhat disregarding of others' feelings (think his conversation with Tenna at the end of chapter 3) before learning to be more considerate. But I think your grounded depiction of mental disorders makes for a more interesting narrative.

>>3839750
I disagree with your definition of altruism. Even the most good hearted and kind people have ulterior motives, reasons why they do the things they do. It could be something as simple as them enjoying the feeling of being nice to people, but that is still an ulterior motive. Even people who do things they hate because of morality still do them out of a sense of obligation and because not doing them would feel worse.

Even if Ralsei doesn't have emotions, he could still have some sort of motivation to be a good person beyond just blind pleasure and greed. Maybe since he's created to fulfill a specific role, he has the fatalistic view that all things have an intended role which they are meant to fill, and he gets a sense of fulfillment from filling his role and helping others to fill theirs. Maybe he respects Susie even if he can't love her in the conventional sense because she's strong, capable, and is true to herself and her beliefs.

He could come to see her as a great hero and friend. Someone that fills their role in the world excellently. Even if he can't strictly love her, he values her presence in the world and how integral she is to it because of her actions and personality. And as a being created to support the heroes, he views helping her as the perfect fulfillment of his purpose, in addition to her being someone he respects greatly.

This Ralsei would eagerly die for her if necessary, because he views her as a person worthy of dying for, and because he takes great personal satisfaction from fulfilling his given role to the best of his ability.

Its sort of a Spock and Kirk thing. Not a conventional friendship, but it is genuine.

>>3839750
I also think the arc you're giving Susie would be better if it took my definition of altruism into account.

Under yours, all she learns is that its possible to be friends without people secretly just scheming against you. Its a simplistic and juvenile arc that ends in the first chapter.

Under mine, she would still have that arc in the first chapter, but then it would continue into the later ones where she learns that there's more to the world than just that simplistic view. That things are more complex than that. Then she'll have to grapple with complex questions like what it really means to love someone or to have friends, or complex situations where someone who loves you is hurting you or even using you, despite the fact that they do genuinely love you, or with Ralsei, the idea that someone can still be your friend despite not caring about you the way you care about them.

This would tie back into Ralsei as well, since he'd be learning the same lesson at the same time. Learning that even if doesn't love her, he still values her friendship and cares about her. That he still enjoys her company and being alongside her, and not just because its his job to do it.


Plus that Rei thing sounds more like a Kris arc.

Do these walk sprites look alright?

>>3839883
looks pretty good to me the wing positions feels right

>>3839883
They look fine still, but how do they look in motion?

>>3839887
>>3839888
I was worried his gait was too wide

>>3839897
Eh, looks fine to me. As long as the in-between sprite is balanced enough, it should be alright.

bwa

>>3839763
>>3839769
Thank you for the perspective. I would say I actually agree with your views on altruism/love. Self-interest indeed does not nullify acts of good; after all, it is what keeps us alive in the first place, and what can we give to others should we not care for ourselves? My poor definition didn't capture that nuance. I definitely intend to touch upon the points you have brought up in how I characterise Susie, since they are indeed vital to processing interpersonal relationships.

And thank you for your detailed ideas on how to characterise Ralsei, they gave me a clear idea on where to go. I see how he could be given a sense of purpose and fulfillment despite him not feeling any emotions, and how that in turn makes him able to truly care for others. I think the Spock and Kirk comparison helped get the idea to click in my head (haven't actually watched Star Trek, just basing this off passive knowledge).

>Plus that Rei thing sounds more like a Kris arc.
That's true, I never thought about it that way lol. My idea for a Kris arc is indeed fairly similar to hers, though it's probably closer to Shinji's.

>>3840176
>haven't actually watched Star Trek, just basing this off passive knowledge
You can just watch Wrath of Khan to get the basic idea.

So are we gonna be making a /v/ thread tonight?

>>3840213
It's probably better to do it tonight

>>3840218
If it's gonna be tonight, it should probably be sooner rather than later. I might make one myself if I see that no one else has before too long.

Alright, I'll see if I can get a thread up. I'll link it here when I'm done.

Okay, here it is, get in while it's lukewarm.
>>>/v/720007749

Did the thread get deleted again?

>>3840267
Thread got nuked lol

But why?

>>3840547
video game discussion

>>3840547
The thread got nuked because we were actually talking about videogames on the videogame board

>>3840572
>>3840570
well yeah its not a very important discussion about concord or gacha games so therefore we NEED to misinterpret the general rule to justify purging the thread

>>>/v/720035404
I'm not sure if you're in this thread, but I like Touhou a lot. I have not used Kristal before, though.

Well, someone go make a new thread then, it's only sunday.

Any Touhou fans here? If so, anyone skilled with making danmaku bullet patterns and can give some advice/help

>>3840608
For an Undertale battle I’m making, just to clarify

I'll make a new thread in a bit if I see that no one else has, gimme a bit.

Alright, here you go:>>>/v/720057981
Minimal quality, as usual, you're welcome.

I saw a few anons in the /v/ lamenting that they didn't save the two request images I did last thread, so I'll put them here for anyone who wants them.
Here's DRY Martlet passed out after a long day's work: https://files.catbox.moe/saj71x.png
And here's DRY1 Cole posed in the style of the RDR2 cover: https://files.catbox.moe/byci6j.png
As previously stated, I'll try and get to the remaining two before the month is out, but we'll see what happens.

God damn, the janny's seething

>>3840715
and the thread was really active too I fucking hate janitors

>>3840716
>>3840715
there was some good activity, but there was also that autistic /vg/ level personality drama going on which was certainly unpleasant.

>>3840720
it comes with the package at this point

>>3840721
it was just particularly bad for a bit there, may have caught the jannies attention.

>>3840722
seems like a particular janny has an axe to grind two threads ago he said he'd be deleting all UTY threads

>>3840724
Why though?

>>3840724
How do you know it was actually the janny who said that?

>>3840725
Assuming that was an actual janny, its probably Abib. He hates recurring threads about games he doesn't play and especially hates anything that could be considered furry. He still bans Snoot threads to this day because of his autistic grudge.

that green and orange game is looking for people (signs that it might not even get out of idea stage)

>>3840730
>Looking for writers and programmers
Well what do they have?

>>3840728
its amazing how much one person was able to drag down the boards quality over the years.

>>3840731
kek

>>3840731
artists and idea guys

>>3840739
>Idea guys
Then why are they looking for writers?

>>3840741
idea guys that can't write is how you end with deltatraveler

So, are we making a new thread?

>>3840742
Idea guys are writers and writers are idea guys. We usually just don't call one the other title because one has a very negative connotation.

>>3840728
>>3840745
just watched a nine sols thread get deleted even though that game hardly gets threads anymore. Some gay retard is on the warpath right now enforcing rule incorrectly

Reposting a question I asked in the dead threads (again). For the last time, I swear.

How important are the following to you in a UT fangame?
- Integer scaling
- Decorative borders (like in console UT)
- Borderless fullscreen (aka fullscreen windowed)
- Unlocked framerate

I'll also respond to the feedback I've gotten so far.

>>>/v/720066483
I'll aim to add integer scaling. It'll be an option you can toggle on or off.
Borders and variable framerate will be considered low priority as of now.

>>>/v/720066483
I'm guessing you use a CRT? Nice.
Exclusive fullscreen might actually be the only option because of SDL 1.2 limitations. My current plan is to have the user select which modeline to use upon startup, similar to old Unity games. I have yet to actually try this, but in theory it will let you manually select any resolution and refresh rate available on your display.
I could add borderless fullscreen, but that would require platform specific code. I'll consider it if other people deem it important. The game window will definitely be freely resizeable at least.

>>3840745
I'm not opposed to a new thread.

>>3840751
First reply was meant to be for >>>/v/720066347, oops

>>3840747
>Right now
He's always like this.

People say this will eventually calm down, but I don't think it will. Once something gets on abib's shit list it tends to stay there.

>>3840751
>Sdl 1.2
Based. Are you doing that specifically for win 9x support?

>>3840755
what i mean is that they are active and on the hunt for threads that dare discuss games they dont like, this comes in waves and I assume whatever autism drives this clown is in full gear right now.

>>3840755
>>3840758
to add to that even nine sols threads will go untouched for weeks and then a few weeks of just instant purges. there's no rhyme or reason beyond the mods autism.

>>3840758
I think its whenever he's awake and online.

>>3840756
Yup. I think more games that look like they're from the 90s should be able to run on systems from the 90s. Same reason why I'm using software rendering, to keep system requirements low. Also because I know jack about OpenGL lol
There's a possibility this may change if it makes things too cumbersome, but I'm really, really hoping to avoid that

>>3840778
>I think more games that look like they're from the 90s should be able to run on systems from the 90s.
Inshallah brother. I'm doing the same for mine.

Which game are you making?

Well, both threads that have been erased this weekend have been mine, so maybe someone else should take a crack at it.
Or don't, I can try again in a little bit.

I wish I could discuss the meta textual themes of my game and how they intertwine with the narrative themes to make a character whose story is allegorical for his meta role in the game, but I really don't want to spoil my game either.

This sucks.

>>3840788
Just talk about everything in the vaguest way possible, so that no one can possible be spoiled on anything.

>>3840789
The problem is that I can't say "the war" without you knowing exactly who I am and which game I'm developing.

>>3840730
How funny is it that I am a programmer needing artists and the like

>>3840798
All the devs here seem to be programmers that need artists and musicians

>>3840792
>"the war"
Grandpa, that you?

>>3840812
Not all. I'm a writer that's been forced to learn programming.

>>3840815
Well in that case, I'm an ideas guy that was forced to learn programming

>>3840783
Crack theory Deltarune. Which, incidentally, could really use an actual name.

I have the strangest feeling that I should know exactly who you and which game you're developing, but I can't place my finger on it... Maybe if you mentioned "the war"?

>>3840829
>Maybe if you mentioned "the war"?
yeah, that's me

>>3840812
>>3840815
Well since we are divulging our skills, is anyone here competent with C++? I have a UTY-related project I want to give a try and I would like to assemble a team comfortable working with either SFML or SDL.

>>3840829
>incidentally, could really use an actual name.
Deltaerrune or Deltaestrune, since in a way you are adding more deltarune to DR with those crack theories

>>3840840
Deltarunest also works, not deltaruner because that sounds like an endless runner bassed on Deltarune

>>3840829
Delta_Rune, optionally shortened to _Rune or D_R. It shows that things are the same, but different.

Fuck it, I'm gonna see if I can make a thread.

Yep, got a three day ban.
Gonna have to be someone else.

>>3840883
Could you post what the thread was at least?

>>3840890
Just some random UTY image with a caption vaguely relating to it.
If you mean the threads I made earlier, they're both gone already.

>>3840890
if the janny is handing out 3 days it might be a good idea to wait a day or two.

>>3840894
Best part is that I was banned for being "off topic". My last thread was literally an image and question about the game, even if it was roundabout.
Truly, there can be no video game discussions on the video games board.

>>3840892
Alright, well just link it from b4k so that we can figure out what went wrong

>>3840903
Sure, here you go.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/720057981/
To be clear, this thread was "off topic", but the ghjkillion AI shit threads are perfectly on topic for /v/. Grim.

Well, it's monday now anyway, so there's probably not too much point in making a new thread now.

Please don't make a new thread while I'm trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber :(

im going to make a thread with ai slop and the janny won't be able to do anything about it as he loves ai slop

>>>/v/720103550
I'm going to sleep though so I won't check on this thread

>>3840920
thats a pretty shitty thread.

>>3840921
its the standard modern /v/ format, I hate to say but thats the kind of shit the mods seem to want these days isn't it

>>3840920
If this thread gets to live while all of my threads died I am going to be so upset.

>>3840920
Welp, you made an optical illusions thread.
Cool, but not UTY.