Thread 3870270

I don't hate Fallout: New Vegas, but sometimes I notice some unnatural lines:

"A free woman. It's... been awhile since I've seen a woman who wasn't a slave. I forget myself -are you injured?"

Something like “A free woman, are you injured?” would be enough. I already know the Legion enslaves women — show, don’t tell. I get it!

I think The Frontier did even worse, but some dialogues in New Vegas are also a bit bad. Still, I like NV’s writing overall. But is afar of being perfect.

>>3870270 (OP)
>1 sentence: good
>2 sentence: ...mhm le bad!
You're needlessly picky with your gripes.

>>3870270 (OP)
they had to write for extremely poor Bethesda voice directing so the lines need to supply their own context or the VA will never get it

>>3870272
The entire Fallout New Vegas dialogue has things like that, this was just an example.

>You're needlessly picky with your gripes.

Yes, it is true. But at least I just did a 4chan post and not a 4 hours essay in YouTube.

"A free woman. It's... been awhile since I've seen a woman who wasn't a slave. I forget myself -are you injured? Because, as you know, women in legion lacks of rights, is not like RNC, women here are mistreated, and also, there is no feminism move, as you can see, so therefore, I'm being slaved by the opressive machist cesar's legion, were again, the women has not a single previlege of being free."

>>3870276
>a 4chan post

Which is arguably worse these days. Also you're just conjuring up shit in your head and using it as a make-believe of an argument. Stop getting angry at hypotheticals you dumbass.

>>3870284
I making objetive critics, you are the only one angry defending a dialogue.

Touch grass.

>>3870270 (OP)
Bait or retardedness. Can you genuinely not fathom that that woman was probably gang-raped and her entire family killed by tribals, she has been living life on auto-pilot to cope with the constant misery, and suddenly an obvious reminder of life outside this hellhole strolls about in front of her?

>>3870375
>that that woman was probably gang-raped
I bet she enjoyed it.

The PC in new vegas has zero personality, and it's really annoying when contrasted with how good the NPC writing is. You basically just ask questions and prompt the actual characters to do anything

>>3870398
That's all Fallout games though. The only ones that might have any personality are The Chosen One and Nate/Nora. The Courier is specifically as much of a blank slate as possible to make the role playing flexible.

>>3870270 (OP)
New vegas is immersive, meaning the woman speaks as if she's living in that world instead of just speaking to communicate information optimally to the player.

>>3870445
>Nate/Nora
Literally who

unrelated but serious question
why is there so much posts lately

with spacing

like this

>>3870458
The answer depends on how many sentences are in each subsection.

>>3870448
Imagine thinking a slave would talk like that. They most likely would be to scared to even mention the chick is free. They basically "yes massa" so they don't get beat.

>>3870458
zoomers and redditors

>>3870518
95% of the time, it's some newfag calling paragraphs "Reddit spacing" to fit in
the other 5% of the time, yeah

>>3870276
You went ESL as hell there, buddy.

>>3870289
touch pussy you virgin

>>3870375
>that woman was probably gang-raped and her entire family killed by tribals
What causes this sort of retardation? Caesar explicitly does not permit the needless abuse and rape of women, and he is not a misogynist. He literally names Tandi as his personal hero and inspiration. Does rape happen? Yes. Rape also happens in the NCR, and that's precisely why the legion is needed; If even a culture as totalitarian and ruthless as Caesar's legion can't stop the tribals of the wasteland from raping and killing everything that moves, then the NCR has no chance.

Daily reminder that the pregnant NCR ranger who's being "raped" and "abused" by her new legion hubby is living a perfectly happy life and looking forward to being a mother and housemaker.

>>3870575
Kek, such an edgy boy, who's an edgy boy, yes you are, yes you are! Lanius openly says he will rape you if you're a female Courier, Silius states the slave collars they use are designed to never quite fit so the slaves are always in mental anguish, their goal is to inflict maximum pain on anyone who has ever opposed them in any way.

>Yes. Rape also happens in the NCR,
Hell yeah my nigga, BLM bro (see picrel)

>the legion is needed
Retarded fucking cope. The Legion is the very cause of almost all the issues we see in the game. The NCR is in the region in the first place because they were invited in to fend off the Legion, and the only reason they couldn't fully show off the glory of living in the NCR (which is described as some NPCs by so damn safe they even get bored of it) after being invited in is the terrorists using children suicide bombers and boobytrapping the corpses of children and grandmothers.

>Daily reminder that the pregnant NCR ranger who's being "raped" and "abused" by her new legion hubby is living a perfectly happy life and looking forward to being a mother and housemaker.
Ranjeet, stop raping lizards and throw yourself under a Juggernaut.

>>3870270 (OP)
“A free woman, are you injured?” sounds retarded. Here's a better question that actually touches on the themes of the game: "Free woman, you must choose now, the bull or the bear?"

>>3870582
Kek. Though it reminds me of the eternal seething niggers who think it's somehow unacceptable that the Courier delivered a package as part of their job.
>What do you mean I'm not a DEI jeet hired the last week, reee this is fascism, where is my RP, I shouldn't have in my backstory that I did one instance of the job I am explicitly told I have at the beginning of the game!

>>3870579
Ladies and gentlemen, bear witness to the least retarded NCR-stan.

All i can say is that i believe you are 100% genuine, because no-one is demented enough to misinterpret literally every single thing the writers try to say about the legion/NCR conflict.

>>3870591
>Akshually, FNV is about how capitalism is bad and only communism can save us all

>>3870579
>The NCR is in the region in the first place because they were invited in to fend off the Legion
No, thats because NCR scouts saw Hoover Dam being pratically intact and when they reported it back. NCR higher ups saw free energy and rush to get their asap.
The Imperialist administration with Kimball and Oliver in office are actively pushing military action in all directions over any rumors of threat.
They chase ghosts in Baja because Hanlon falsely reported at the time that there was a large raider force but in reality he only said that lie because he was dragged in Baja and lost men on the way to save literally 12 dudes who couldnt farm. NCR took his word and they send troops in Baja like the morons they are.
When they are actually facing threats, with a secret service agency, capable scouts and clever use of guerilla tactics, they crumble and worse, the actually good commanders like Hsu and Hanlon are sideline because of bitter commanders and nepobabies in power who also want glory but cant have any because they are shit.
>the only reason they couldn't fully show off the glory of living in the NCR (which is described as some NPCs by so damn safe they even get bored of it)
Only rich kids in Vegas say this, there is still war against some members of the Reno Families like the Van Graffs, raiders are still operating in the NCR desert, war effort and taxes pushes people to get the fuck out of NCR to search job and some resort to banditry and crime and end up in NCRCF. They also explain in their own way why NCR is shit too. An impoverished farmer ruined by Brahmin Barons are so fueled by vengeance that he is willing to travel to Vegas and put a bullet in one of them while he is relaxing with his family in a casino.
Golden age my ass, NCR is in a late stage crisis. They literally need Cesarian figures like Kimball to have people think they are "reclaiming" the good ol' days.

>>3870579
>>3870606
Still, I agree with most of your post.

>>3870606
>No, thats because NCR
The government may be corrupt, but it doesn't change the fact the reason the NCR is there is because the Desert Rangers desperately needed help, and it is an undeniable fact that without the NCR coming in, the Legion would have won the first battle for Hoover Dam and the entire region would be enslaved, raped and exterminated to satisfy the whims or a complete retard with a god complex. The NCR saved the region before the game even began.

>When they are actually facing threats, with a secret service agency, capable scouts and clever use of guerilla tactics
I wouldn't say the Legion is capable, they're just stupidly evil in a way no government could ever justify those tactics to its citizens. The Legion uses fucking children suicide bombers openly, and boobytrapping corpses of civilians, the NCR government would be instantly overthrown if they dared used those tactics, the Legion aren't an army, they're just terrorists, insanely evil and mentally ill terrorists.

>good commanders like Hsu and Hanlon
>ruined by Brahmin Barons
True, but those are incredibly minor issues compared to what the rest of the wasteland faces.

>Only rich kids in Vegas say this
I posted proof of the contrary just above.

>Golden age my ass, NCR is in a late stage crisis
Their government is in a crisis, but the NCR as a whole is perfectly fine, taking the issues of the Mojave (which is NOT ruled by the NCR) and projecting them upon the actual NCR is a mistake. The best end slides for almost everyone being those of the NCR-ending are further proof. Again, the WORST thing people can mention about the NCR is average corruption for any normal government, and taxes. In a post-post-apocalyptic world.

>raiders are still operating in the NCR desert
They are in the DESERT indeed, not anywhere close to cities. They were so beaten back they can only hide in completely empty areas and hope to catch a traveling merchant.

>>3870616
>the NCR is there is because the Desert Rangers desperately needed help
No, again, the intro for FNV is clear. Scouts saw the Hoover Dam and it garned the interest of NCR in the region. One can even say that NCR let the Ranger beg for help and accept terms to be assimilated into the Repbublic for it being a cunning move but I doubt its really the case.
>the NCR government would be instantly overthrown if they dared used those tactics
They didnt care when they displaced tribals and kill women and children, Khans being one of the many tribes that are curently being subjugated, same goes for the peaceful Mutant communities and other marginalized groups that dont want to be under the juridiction of NCR like the Followers. Nobody actually cares enough in NCR really, the people just dont want to be taxxed to death and die on the frontier. If you see how the Rangers are actually doing "justice" in Vegas, I would actually say they are pretty exepeditive. Even then, its a case for most society in post-war america.
>I posted proof of the contrary just above.
She is literally the daughter of a wealthy family of brahmin barons back in Modoc. Her recipe for Deathclaw omelet came from her grand ma you met in Fallout 2. She is the owner of the only thriving buisness in Modoc while the town is in a drought.
>NCR as a whole is perfectly fine
Ignoring raiders, heavy taxation, social issues, mob wars and corrupted senators that fuck with supply lines for profit.
>those are incredibly minor issues
Yes, winning the war is a minor issue.
>The best end slides for almost everyone being those of the NCR-ending are further proof
Not for everyone, the best ending for NCR is actually Hanlon being a Senator and passing laws that enforce less corruption in the state. The best endings relies on you to working against direct orders from NCR like not bringing the data from Vault 22, not listening to Colonel Moore.

>>3870616
>>3870648
Cont.

If you follow through with NCR's ending, you are just enforcing the policies of Kimball and Oliver. The men responsible for this disastrous campaign to begin with. The Legion can be destroy by themselves, however, I dont think anhilating them will bring good actually, even Joshua Graham said that the Legion's death will be bad for the people of Arizona. Letting people be and letting them reform in their own way without enforcing a set of values has remarkably work in human history, believe it or not.
The last optional speech and barter checks with Lanius not only convince him of other ways to prosper but destory Caesar's will in his heir. Thats a victory no bullet can achieve by any mean. Indicating him that caravans are what made humanity survive the wasteland and that he cant be able to hold the West and East in his empire without attrition or revolts from others in the Legion or in NCR conquered land are compelling argument to go back and make him rethink the Legion into a more sustainable aspect. Lanius is a far more intelligible character than Caesar, he is willing to listen and humble enough to not fight a losing war. Tells you more about leadership than Mr. Hegelian dialetics.
>Again, the WORST thing people can mention about the NCR is average corruption for any normal government
Tribes displacement, mutant hate (not inforced but lightly punished), expeditive justice, imperialism, little to no education program.
>They are in the DESERT
They always have been in the desert, since Fallout 1 and they always have been a nuissance.

>>3870616
>entire region would be enslaved, raped and exterminated to satisfy the whims or a complete retard with a god complex
But enough about Tandi

>>3870648
>No, again, the intro for FNV is clear. Scouts saw the Hoover Dam and it garned the interest of NCR in the region.
It doesn't change the fact they were invited in because of the threat of the Legion, and effectively saved the Mojave from falling to slavery and genocide.

> they displaced tribals and kill women and children
You mean tribals like the Khans who teach their own kids to shoot at fucking children? The NCR have been absolute saints in dealing with those vermins, the Khans were by all definitions insane terrorists, the fact the NCR doesn't relentless exterminate them but simply disarms them and gets them out of the way is genuine sainthood.

>goes for the peaceful Mutant communities
If we're talking Jacobstown, it's rogue rich people from the NCR, the NCR as a whole doesn't endorse this, since any high rep NCR Courier can get the mercenaries to back off by just telling them so.

>She is literally the daughter of a wealthy family
If true, my bad, still a powerful endorsement that you have to move to literally outside of NCR territory to not be "bored of the safety".

>Ignoring raiders, heavy taxation, social issues, mob wars and corrupted senators that fuck with supply lines for profit.
Raiders are a non-issue to anyone who doesn't travel obscure roads, the taxation is never implied to be too heavy (and is just a weird r*dditor or edgy Legion fanboy point, House taxes way more and Legion taxes at least as much as NCR but without providing any benefit). Social issues is too vague, and mobs and corrupt senators are par for the course with almost any government.

>Yes, winning the war is a minor issue.
It's not a real war though. It's protecting a small region outside of official NCR territory, the reason they're having issues in the conflict is because it's outside the NCR, so the people don't want to fight, but if directly attacked, the people would support the war and the Legion would be quickly crushed.

>>3870652
>>3870648
Cont too.
>Not for everyone
For most everyone, and while you can justify some other endings improving the NCR as a whole, for the Mojave itself it's undeniable that NCR = good ending, when all the other options are so shit.

>not bringing the data from Vault 22,
Reasonable speculation but just speculation.

>not listening to Colonel Moore.
How so? Killing the Khans and BoS is fully justified and good for everyone else, the Kings are still a violent street gang that beat up envoys of peace who distribute food to civilians, and they can be talked with when it comes to the King but Moore has no reason to know that. Should you exterminate the Kings is debatable, but the other 2 are necessary to kill.

>>3870649
This posts contains nothing of substance except the part about Lanius which is correct. The entire meta-aspect of "but le NCR government not perfect!" is way more about the poster's personal issues with how shitty current democracies are than any objective analysis of FNV's setting.

What the fuck is it about F:NV that attracts people like this?
>um akshually, x is OBJECTIVELY y

is this dogshit thread for real

>>3870652
>It doesn't change the fact they were invited in because of the threat of the Legion
Yeah it does, the treaty even highlight the importance of Hoover Dam.
>You mean tribals like the Khans who teach their own kids to shoot at fucking children?
Same Khans who join NCR or do merc work like Manny Vargas, they are a tribe not hivemind. These people need humanitarian aid to settle them, not guns and threats to put them into subjugation. The Khans, even if they are totally submited and accept to fight on behalf of NCR gets the short hand of the stick.
There is a real problem with NCR leadership with the Khans, even if you do a successful hostage negotiation, the orders are still to shoot them. Which told you enough about their policies.
>the fact the NCR doesn't relentless exterminate them
Scratch a NCR fag enough, you get an imperialist warmongerer in the same vein of a Legion fag.
>If we're talking Jacobstown, it's rogue rich people from the NCR
They arent rogue, they are powerful people that have enough influence to use able bodied mercenary in a war to provoke peaceful Mutants, shit even Mean Sonofabitch was lynched by a mob in NCR and no one dared to defend him except for Klamath Boy who was persuasive and lucky enough to not be killed iirc.
>Raiders are a non-issue to anyone who doesn't travel obscure roads
They are still an issue that even the Legion manage to destroy.
>the taxation is never implied to be too heavy
It is, everyone talk about taxes and even remote communities like Arroyo are touch as per Emily Ortal's dialogue.
>Social issues is too vague
Mutant hate, followers being hated, low class citizens resorting to banditry and crime in a so called advanced society.

>>3870652
>>3870654
Cont.
>but if directly attacked
They are directly attacked and they are inept to deal with an invading force, if you need to have Hannibal at your doors for your governement to respond, they are royally fucked. The people arent as supportive of this war because its a war meant for Cesarian figures like Kimball and Oliver to do some imperialism.
>for the Mojave itself it's undeniable that NCR = good ending
I'd argue House has better ending slides, I would say the same about Independance but they rely too much on headcanon fanfic.
>How so?
Going out of your way to resolve things peacefully gets you way better endings than what you are told to do.
The Khans go elsewhere and form an empire by keeping the followers close which mimics the ending in Fallout 1 about Shady Sands forming NCR, its considered a very good ending. As I said earlier, the Khans arent a hivemind but a living tribe with autonomous tribesmen, some even join NCR and are welcome back like Manny Vargas who was even in the 1st Recon who shot the women and children. NCR's solution is to subjugate them or exterminate them, they are simply showcasing how bad they are in providing solutions to people that work outside of their own societal norm. Basically, if you are not NCR, prepare to be subjugated or killed.
The Kings are a gang but a gang that preserve autonomy and protection to the people of Freeside without them feeling like they are bullied into protection. They are basically a town militia and they come will all the problem of a town militia which you can fix btw. Moore's solution is to kill everyone and instore martial law in Freeside.
The BoS provides more benefits if you help settle a peace treaty than if you kill them, they are a logistical plus and asset in the war to come. In a NCR defeat, they even assure that NCR troops arent attacked on their way home. Assuring peace in the Mojave assure a long term answer to the on going BoS-NCR war.

>>3870654
>>3870664
>>3870665
Cont. 2
>he entire meta-aspect of "but le NCR government not perfect!"
I dont think FNV's is about that, the poster is wrong but imo, the authors of FNV only wanted to showcase how bad is imperialism rather than giving a critic of liberal democracies. Both NCR and the Legion are different sides of the same coin of imperialism.

>>3870664
>Yeah it does, the treaty even highlight the importance of Hoover Dam.
If expansionist = bad is your axiom, then I'll disagree

>they are a tribe not hivemind.
They are a terrorist group who got 3 different chances and fucked all of them, always being the aggressor killing and raping children, and even when the Followers tried to help them, they simply used their knowledge to manufacture drugs for the Fiends. The Khans deserve to be wiped out, Bitter-Root is very clear on the subject. The Khans already got their aid, they twisted that of the Followers, and refuse to remain at Bitter Springs where they get free aid, one Khan even murders people there including other refugees.

>the orders are still to shoot them. Which told you enough about their policies.
We're talking about a confirmed terrorist group that refuses to stop its evil ways, beats its own kids and turns them into child-murderers, and just kidnapped soldiers. The order to shoot them after releasing the hostages isn't very fair, but they've done a lot worse for a long time and still are. Or did you forget that those same Khans were with Benny when he shot you? They get paid to murder random civilians, they do it happily, you're genuinely defending your own murderers.

>Scratch a NCR fag enough, you get an imperialist warmongerer in the same vein of a Legion fag.
"Muh expansion bad". NCR is the only option resembling civilization, with no other option left, yes NCR has the right and duty to expand. Without NCR, the entire Mojave would have been exterminated by the Legion and there'd be no FNV in the first place.

>They are still an issue that even the Legion manage to destroy.
By murdering everyone, yes. Which proves you're a hypocrite, the Legion would slaughter every single Khan children, but you bitch about even the hypothesis of the NCR doing the same.

>It is
it's not if you're not a retard. House taxes way more, Legion taxes the same, muh taxes is a meme.

>>3870683
>>3870665

Cont.
The entire taxes thing is a meme, Primm is said to vastly proper despite the NCR taxes because it also brings a lot more commerce with it. Nobody likes going from no-taxes to taxes, but those taxes are why everyone isn't some Legion soldier's rape slave or crucified.

>Mutant hate
Vastly overblown as proven, and everyone dislikes Mutants.
> followers being hated,
Genuinely what the fuck are you smoking? The Followers worked with the NCR, folks in the NCR like them, they just disagree with their philosophy. That's a civil disagreement, not hatred. And as the endings prove, the Followers need the infrastructure of the NCR to function correctly, in the Independent ending the Followers are overwhelmed.
>low class citizens resorting to banditry
Poor people existing, wow, I'm shocked. If they decide to become criminals, it's because they're pieces of shit, not because they're poor.
>They are directly attacked
They're not. The Mojave isn't NCR territory, it's the entire reason why the fighting there is unpopular, are you being retarded on purpose?

>they rely too much on headcanon fanfic.
At least you have some clairvoyance. Though with House it's obvious that everything is fucked, he's an insane dictator with no regard for any human life, and he exterminates the Kings you so love if they don't prove their loyalty to him enough by committing blatant terrorism against the NCR.

>way better endings
And... you're retarded. The Khans must be exterminated, they were insane terrorists after 4 FUCKING CHANCES counting the Followers, how many times are you going to suck off those deranged pseudo-natives?

The Kings are a gang that beats up envoys of peace and are fanatically loyal to one retard in charge, if the King died and Pacer took over, they'd just be yet another raider faction.

The BoS are insane techno-cultists and House and Caesar are right about them. And despite what Bethesda likes to pretend, they are not an important force in the world.

>>3870666
> Both NCR and the Legion are different sides of the same coin of imperialism.
But that's just not true, NCR is the only serious attempt at civilization available, they're the obvious good guys with aspects of gray because of their sheer size and freedom inherently allowing corrupt individuals to rise to the top. Legion is a LARP-cult started by a hostage to not be killed by stupid tribals that went way too far and is destined to fall the moment it truly engages a serious force.

The post-post-apo is in big part about rebuilding civilization, someone needs to be the imperialist, for the good of everyone, and the NCR is overwhelmingly good in that regard. This is not Kenshi where all big factions are fucked up, here there is a clear winner. The anarcho-capitalist bullshit "don't tread on me" approach simply makes no sense in an actual world outside of r*ddit threads. Humanity needs civilizations, the only serious candidate is the NCR, therefore supporting the NCR is the only remotely logical choice.

>>3870579
>you know the corrupt globohomo system that lead the world to ruin? Let’s bring it back!
Fuck off fag.

>>3870690
To conclude, it HAS to be personal the way people are so weirdly demanding with the NCR, constantly asking of them to be genuinely perfect in all regards and holding them to standards they do not apply to any other faction. It's always because of current issues infesting their minds preventing them from rationally looking at the universe of the game, and sometimes to justify picking the House/YM/Legion ending which are all obviously bad for the Mojave.

The NCR gets criticized for having 1/50th of the flaw of another faction where that faction gets constant excuses. People unironically complain about the Barons to then support House who is a tyrannical turbo-capitalist who taxes literally HALF what you gain, is shown to enact taxes out of pure spite towards Primm, commits mass murder when he feels slighted, and killed innocents in droves in Vegas after 200 years of coma (so no "but all he did for Vegas!", he hadn't done anything for 200 years by that point) all to replace them with tribals who'd make him more money by exploiting people in the most depraved ways.

The NCR never invades anyone who didn't shoot at their civilians repeatedly first, they make deals and bring a lot of positive things to the people they integrate, including healthcare, prosperity, safety and equality of opportunity for the most part.

The NCR is the only major faction shown organizing efforts for the sole benefit of the population, distributing food and water, rebuilding infrastructure. They even established the farms in the Mojave to show the people there how much the NCR can help them produce food. The entirety of the Bitter Spring refugee camp is of 0 benefit to the NCR itself.

>>3870707
Kek, right on time, it's people projecting, just like all Imperial fags in Skyrim just project their love of current governments and hatred of "racism". Very few people are actually capable of looking at a universe of fiction rationally without heavily projecting their issues.

>>3870709
>you’re just projecting
So you’re saying the NCR isn’t trying to be the same corrupt system that lead the world to nuclear hellfire? Well not only are you a fag but an idiot too.

>>3870712
>Omg Hitler drank water
Calm your tits r*ddit. NCR Derangement Syndrome is a bitch, you either have to admit to suffering from this mental illness, or that you're an anarchist who believes no government should exist, in which case you're also mentally ill.

>>3870683
>If expansionist = bad is your axiom, then I'll disagree
Expansion without killing and treating people like shit would be a greater start.
My point was that the Rangers might have asked for help but in the end the Hoover Dam is what NCR want. Even the treaty talk about it, protecting people isnt in their interest since they put all their ressources in the Dam and they get royally fucked in the ass by all sides when the battle starts, especially if you dont carry them to victory, from Fiends, Powder Gangers, Omertas and Khans.
>They are a terrorist group
They are a tribe, a governement of body that function outside of societal norm based on family, shared culture and clan like system.
>always being the aggressor
Doesnt justify extermination
>even when the Followers tried to help them, they simply used their knowledge to manufacture drugs
Same Followers who are stretched thin in the Mojave where everyone needs help and are sabotaged by NCR at every corner. Again, the NCR arent interested in settling the tribe, its only when both group are far away from NCR that they thrive. Their situation is also shared with other tribes that dont want to be subjugated by NCR like the Kings.
You still avoid Manny Vargas and the many clues including their best ending being good for everyone involved.
>We're talking about a confirmed terrorist group that refuses to stop its evil ways
They do, they actually do merc work and drug smuggling. Chet (a seasoned merchant and traveller) says that its actually rare to see them raiding now.
>did you forget that those same Khans were with Benny when he shot you?
They were payed to do some work, they arent really to blame here. I would be a hypocrite in this case whenever I play the Courier as the merc for hire in most of my playthroughs.
>you're genuinely defending your own murderers.
The game rewards you with the best ending for them, by showing you there is other ways.

>>3870683
>>3870687
Cont.
>NCR is the only option resembling civilization
Ah yes, civilisation. At the end of barrel, backed with an army that tells me what to do.
>Without NCR, the entire Mojave would have been exterminated by the Legion
If your only worth as governement body is how good you are to repel other invasions. Then its a shit governement, fascists in Greece were the only guys in power for a long time because they were "the only power to stop an eventual Turkish or communist invasion" which held them in power and make them justify shit laws and governemnt policies and yet they failed with the invasion of Cyprus. This prompted to actually change things around and be a Republic now.
Btw, NCR are struggling and being very inefficient about it. Repeating the same mistake of the same governement that nuked the world wouldnt be my blueprint to build a society in post-war America, but thats just me.
>By murdering everyone, yes.
Yeah, even in murdering stuff NCR is shit.
>Which proves you're a hypocrite
Sorry, did you read when I argued for settling tribes and giving them humanitarian aids rather than gunning them down?
>it's not if you're not a retard.
I guess everyone in the Mojave are retards, saying "nuh huh" is a very compelling argument, I admit.
>House taxes way more
In the Strip, the place that filters poor people and suck down rich people. In the cut-post game ending, merchants like Mick and Ralph are very happy for House being in charge saying that their buisness is now blooming.
To me, it seems House is more interested in taxing the Strip that gives larger pool of money and NCR through the Treaty of Vegas by taxing power than taxing the people living around Vegas. Since they are the ones actually bringing the people and all. My memory isnt good on all that post game content, so I'll stop here.

>>3870683
>>3870687
>>3870690
>>3870724
>>3870723
Cont. 2
>Legion taxes the same
Taxes who? They dont tax merchants, they get their men from breeding and enslaving tribesmen. The civilized men are left alone under the protection and tyranny of Baldie. They get their own gold and silver from what I assume to be trading, slave work in mines and slave trading too.
Not saying you are wrong, just that we lack definitive answers on that part, and get plenty more answers for House and NCR in this subject.
You mention Primm but the ending said that despite being taxed they get benefits from being a major stopping point. In comparaison, small towns like Goodsprings gets the short stick where people unable to pay are forced out, even with more trade and people coming in.
>Vastly overblown as proven
You prove what? Mean Sonofabitch was lynched, lost his tongue while sleeping in the streets and peaceful communities are still harassed because some people dont like Greenskins.
>The Followers worked with the NCR, folks in the NCR like them, they just disagree with their philosophy.
The OSI, and their involvements in all matters of science frustrates NCR. They dont even want to help the followers unless you are here diplomatically to heal Freeside inhabitants.
I wouldnt say they crumble, just they get more shit on their plate in the independant ending. It is bad, and yet NCR does nothing without you involved to fix problems.
>If they decide to become criminals, it's because they're pieces of shit, not because they're poor.
Some yes, others like Sheriff Meyers were trying to do good. In any case, these are problems that need to be fixed first instead of playing the war game and annex everyone in your sight.

>>3870723
>Expansion without killing and treating people like shit would be a greater start.
They don't treat people like shit who've not attacked their civilians first and refused any attempt at peace. You can find individuals getting fucked over by the NCR coming in, but for the majority of innocents, it's a big improvement.

>protecting people isnt in their interest since they put all their ressources in the Dam
If they don't hold the Dam, everyone dies or is enslaved, they are protecting everyone by protecting the Dam.

>based on family, shared culture and clan like system.
Beating your child and forcing him to kill other children, attempting to sell him into sex slavery for a fix, that's family values? The Khans' "culture" isn't worth shit, it's all based on indiscriminate abuse and hypocritical whining when the NCR kills from their group 1/100th of the civilians the Khans killed.

>Doesnt justify extermination
Yes it does if you refuse every single chance. There is no sensible scenario where the Khans stop being evil pieces of shit, we saw this play out 4 times, not a single fucking Khan has an issue with drug supplying the Fiends who indiscriminately rape and murder everyone they come across.

>Same Followers
The entire paragraph is retarded cope to dodge the fact the Khans used given knowledge for evil.

> its actually rare to see them raiding now.
OF COURSE IT IS RARE YOU RETARDED FILTHY FUCKING NIGGER, the NCR beat them into submission, the Khans themselves want nothing more than to get back to raiding.

>The game rewards you with the best ending for them, by showing you there is other ways.
Ok, let's send 10 niggers rape you if you love the happiness of deranged murderers over that of innocents so much.

>>3870725
I'm not even going to read this, you've proven to be an insane pilpuling fucktard contrarian, do a flip. Every single word you say is a disgusting lie Kill yourself, make the world a better place.

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>>3870725
>Though with House it's obvious that everything is fucked
Just more like Vault City in Fallout 2, one of the few genuine places in the wasteland that are rich and self sufficient. Tyrannical but effecive, even in the case of this city their best endings make them less bigoted and growing tall as a nation with nuclear power and guaranting rights of no annexiation by NCR.
>he exterminates the Kings
Yeah, its bad. He also kills the BoS which btw, the choice to save them was vut because the beta testers said it was too much of a good ending.
>The Khans must be exterminated
Relax neo-liberal.
>how many times are you going to suck off those deranged pseudo-natives?
They are actually an interesting faction, and I like to see more diversity and cool lore than just NCR or BoS. They arent natives, a tribe is governement body that function around share values, clan like system and working outside of another governement body. The Kings are a tribe for exemple.
>But that's just not true
Literally the lead designer of FNV says this. NCR is an imperialistic nation under Kimball, and its said time and time again. They literally not build to sustain and expand yet they do to make people ignore their problems at home as well as their rampant corruptions. Victory is the only way out politically for Kimball and Oliver since they royally fucked up.
The thing with Imperialism, you dont have to be a fascist to have a valid casius belli against other nations. As Oswald Spangler puts it, imperialism is the final expression of a dying civilization’s energy, an outward expansion that compensates for inward emptiness. It is the political face of cultural decline, the destiny of every civilization that has outlived its creative soul.

>>3870728
Lmao, I accept your concession.

>>3870730
>Huh, he called me out for lying constantly after debunking my 50th lie and stopped interacting with my lies, guess I win
Eugenics can't come soon enough for all you niggers.

>>3870715
Yes hitler drank water and Democracy failed and lead the world to nuclear ruin. Cope and seethe fag.

Why are we acting like the NCR government is going to lead to instant nuclear death, you know the US government in its final days looked nothing like democracy really. Does The Enclave look anything like the current NCR government? and even if it lead to the same outcome, that's a potential problem that could be literal centuries in the making when the NCR is a global superpower. What about people being raped by deathclaws in the present?

>>3870739
Correct, but every NCR-hater has their own nonsensical fanfiction about how the Legion/House/YM ending will somehow overcome all of its flaws that are 1000x times more pronounced than those of the NCR. They're not arguing from a rational standpoint, but from the emotional one of someone defending their gay fanfic. You just have to see how many of them praise House's words like gospel when we're given no reason to trust him and every possible reason to distrust and hate him.

>>3870732
I was really enjoying our jousts, but since you were more interested in insults and calling me names rather than reading arguing I lost all interests.
I said no lies, the game fundamently disagree with you on all points.
The Khans are a tribe, not a hivemind. Not every single Khans are shit fathers and mothers, most are and most will build a mighty empire given the proper education and grounds far from NCR. Its simply a fact that they are people and there are ways to make things better for most people in New Vegas. The game's best ending arent given to you at the end of barrel.
Since I have enough dignity in myself, I will stop it here since I dont like conversing with people who throws insults when they cant properly form thought in a counter-argument.
Again, I accept your concession.

>>3870743
Lying piece of shit. Fuck you, kill yourself.