Thread 2075264

Calling this a ship of Theseus is quite generous when the planks aren't even being replaced, don't you think?

https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5pdqt.png - Japan rework. OTL PMs only, please.
https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev back from break, will respond to all bait.
https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.
https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc with mandatory non-canon nukes.
https://files.catbox.moe/m4x325.png - Fash Brazil content you'll never get to play.
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.
https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia flowchart #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png - Croatia flowchart #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png - Thailand flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.png - Turkestan Legion rework flowchart.

https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.
https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.
https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbean
https://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Morocco
https://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.

>Rapop finally resigns, ending our long national nightmare.
>DV (OTL Africa mod) confirmed to be integrated, will replace the RKs and remove all current African wars. Official announcement in July.
>TNO releases major QoL downgrade: research practically disabled for Russia, resource & supply systems deliberately ruined.
>Italy dev allegedly being rebooted, Red Italy still presumed dead. Original proposal leaked.
>Burgundy deletion may become official soon, more than three years after work on its removal began.
>Night of the Long Reworks: Devcord leaks reveal that 2WRW was infiltrated by TNO devs trying to bring in the new map, rework all of Africa and integrate the mod into TNO. Restoration of old content indefinitely postponed, Omsk delayed again. It's over for the Reduxbros.
>The Day of the Rope and Hope: Observant anons confirm that multiple rework advocates left the 2WRW community Discord, new map and reworks denied. Reduxbros, are we back?
>The TNO Reddit revolts as users notice how almost no tags have playable content 6 years in. Jannies caught in 4K banning all dissent.
>Anon leaks a devcord screenshots confirming that TNO has an active policy to remove all wars that hurt Germany, institutional plot armor once more confirmed.
>Ukraine getting an update: a pointless GUI with no meaningful stakes or ability to alter the narrative. Thanks Corn!
>TNO:RA (KF fork) posts substantial progress in making Iberian Wars playable.
>After three years of delays, TNO releases its Brazilian minigame collection to no fanfare. Not even the jannies bothered to prop this one up, folks!

>TNO JANNY TERROR LEVEL: GUARDED
TNO jannies currently presumed buckbroken by Brazil flopping.
>LEAK REQUEST
Last thread we got requests for: The original Ukraine proposal, the old proposals/charts for Chile, Turkey and India with their civil wars, and any old pre-release Argentina proposals. Step up to the challenge, leakers!

Normie/non-4chan version of the Stalker meme for you to post in your Discords, if you feel so inclined.

How many wars and proxy wars do we have left in TNO?

>>2075278
whats the difference

>>2075298
Nothing that matters.

>>2075350
First has green skin and references anon. Second version has no references to 4chan

>>2075358
thank you

>>2075264 (OP)
>>2075267
Is the Vote Pig document now even remotely similar with the current rework for the USA? Also are there docs on Speer?

>>2075437
>Is the Vote Pig document now even remotely similar with the current rework for the USA?
Probably not because it's been reworked multiple times in order to make the Republicans more evil. No one knows what it's supposed to look like now.
>Also are there docs on Speer?
Nothing that hasn't also been hit with the rework hammer many times over and thus been invalidated.

2wrw status?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3406575658
TNO: Kiwi edition on the workshop

>>2075814
Are we gonna see the HOI4 modding version of Christianity? Where new branches are continuously made to get away from woke faggots and retards who think they can write only to fall victim to the same cancer after enough time has passed?

>>2075810
They're still having a row over the new map it seems. Two leads that were in the reworker camp left the comm server as of last thread so the wind seems to be blowing in the direction of them not returning to TNO's fold.

>>2076009
I don't think that Kiwi Farms of all things will suffer the same kind of insanity as TNO did. Worst thing that could happen is that the guy making it loses interest and stops.

>>2076009
it's made by 1 guy and he has gotten farther than most TNO redux mods

>>2076083
tbf that's because he incorporated leaked cut TNO content. On the other hand that goes to show that TNO itself could've gotten a lot further if they didn't constantly delete everything and start over time and time again.

>>2076083
Yeah, because it's focusing on re-adding old/cut content. The old Reduxes usually had five people trying to rework things as hard as the TNO devs themselves and that is when the mods weren't run by 13-year old schizos that escaped from /pol/.

Describe your dream submod.

>>2076162
A submod that turns the economy from TNO's to TFR's.

>>2075264 (OP)
>>2075267
>TNO
This shit is still getting worked on?

>>2076274
It's complicated.
The mod was hijacked by liberal realismfags who reworked the entire mod from scratch and accidentally made the fun mod into an odd mix of Democratwank and Nazi apologia with Hitler freeing the slaves and Germany having total plot armor. At least two Redux attempts are happening trying to bring things back to how they used to be. One recently suffered a realism clique hijack attempt of its own, the other is a one-man show run out of Kiwi Farms.

Picrel: the state of the mod after six (6) years of reworks.

>>2076331
brazil and mexico should be marked as being demos without full 8 year content

>>2076335
Ukraine too then.
Maybe something similar would make sense for the Urals. "Demos/abandoned?"

>>2075264 (OP)
How fucking long do we have to wait for this shit to be out already?

>>2076388
too fucking long.

>>2076388
They were quite close to releasing but it was delayed just around the time that a realism clique tried to force the new map on them while reworking all of Africa for some reason. We got devcord leaks proving that last thread and the leaks start right around the planned release date. At least two reworker devs have left but the damage was done. Fucking realismfags, every fucking time.

>>2076331
Wait they're removing Burgundy?
Why are they trying to remove everything that made this mod unique?

>>2076442
unrealistic, they haven't yet announced it's deletion officially I think
but none of the leaked proposals like France or Germany rework even mention it

>>2076458 (me)
oh and Himmler is a Führer candidate in the Germany rework proposal.

>>2076442
We've known this for years. At first they meant to just rework it but then decided to delete it. Burgundy will now start annexed by Germany and will have zero references in the new content. Because fuck you, that's why.

>>2075451
>>2076331
>realismfags in control
>Asian Hawaiian president path
It would be less galling if they actually pursued """realism""" instead of just libtard feelgoodism

They're waking up lmao.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1liq1ty/what_happening_with_alexander_men/

>>2076599
>all negative comments
>talking about the forever reworks
>talking about deleted content
>only a few brave defenders
when did the TNO devs lose control of the subreddit?

>>2076548
In a world where the entirety of Asia is under Japanese rule and in the opposing sphere of the Americans. Imagine an Iranian or Russian president in our world today. Very realistic.

>>2076468
>>2076548
Why not just make a new mod at this point? Maybe that way we could actually have Goebbels.

tno is a visual novel. Get the fuck off vg you black niggers.

>>2076626
>vg
this is /vst/ retard

>>2076601
It happens in waves.
>Redditors start waking up
>Mass ban/deletions
>Several of them flee, new Reddit hivemind forms
>Quality of the mod keeps collapsing
>People start waking up
Rinse and repeat.
I have noticed more negativity after the Brazil flop however. But the devniggers won't care. They could always just close the Reddit and still have their Discord echo chamber where all dissent has been banned for years.

>>2076621
No one knows. It's just a skin walker at this point so they might as well have. Attention, I guess?

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RHy_CefGh6twep5ACzLj_5_Cxtp5xyUO3L4OzyMeloY

Feedback form that the community filled up. The masses are waking up.

>>2076634
God the readability on these is just awful. Thousands of questions, thousands of answers, and you'll have to scroll for a week to get through them. It's like they tried to purposefully bury the negative feedback by adding a gorillion irrelevant data points.

Lots of negativity though, who'd have thought? Tons of performance issues with the map, everyone hates Mexico, no love for the "nothing ever happens" Moskeleton, no one cared about the tags that just sit around and do nothing. The only thing more unsurprising than the deluge of negative feedback is the fact that the devs won't listen to a word of it.

>>2076634

>I didn’t play the content x200

Why even fill out the form then? God people are retarded.

>>2076856
to demoralize the TNO devs

>>2076856
"Hey community, what do you think of our updates?"
"It sucked, couldn't be bothered playing it, fucking Denmark GUIs."
Pretty valid feedback to have your entire community sans ScareSith tell you that your shit's literally unplayable.

>>2076861
We know how they operate.
Kateryna puts all "troll" responses into a paper shredder.
Grand Council of TNO jannies are informed of a 100% success rate.
Egos swollen, they proceed to shit out another Denmark GUI for Guam.

>>2076862

How would you know that you don’t like the content if you didn’t even play it?

>>2076884
>4 year demo of mexican content
most people don't give a fuck about south america or mexico
if you don't live in mexico or south america, chances are you won't find it interesting as a concept

>>2076884
>How would you know that a shit sandwich tastes bad until you've taken a big bite out of it?

about 55% of peeps did not play mexico which is predominantly because of not wanting partial content as well as a lack of interest

here's how to do it
grab column D
copy it to a new worksheet
input this formula in B, and A is the dataset for "why did you not play mexico"
=ISBLANK(A2)
copy it down the whole way by dragging
then
=COUNTIF(B2:B587, TRUE), outputs 264 blank (ie, played Mexico)
And on another cell
=COUNTIF(B2:B587,FALSE), outputs 322 blank (ie did not play Mexico)
sum both of these up, it should give 586

>>2076895

Please schedule a vasectomy immediately

>>2076910
OK tranny-janny.

>>2076910
Why is it that liberals turn into eugenicists whenever you disagree with them?

i am actually retarded and posted wrong pic

Be honest with me
was the mexico and brazil content bad? Or was it only "bad" because it was connected to tnos present shit state. (aka if the content was released back when tno was still good, the content wouldnt be bad

>>2076909
Holy shit, TNO devs btfo

>>2076929
Objectively speaking, and being as charitable as possible: it's just completely fucking interesting to nearly everyone that plays HOI4 and you're insane/retarded if you disagree.

"No gameplay and reading generic events" is about as interesting to your average HOI4 player as this year's NFL game will be to people who don't give a flying fuck about football. But whereas sportsball games are at least approachable, you now how to compound the problem of no one caring with the fact that you made it a mini game collection with a hundred events about LGBTQ rights in a country most players have no connection with, making it nearly impenetrable on top of being extremely unfun and irrelevant to most HOI4 players.

>if the content was released back when tno was still good, the content wouldnt be bad
They wouldn't have been received as badly if they were released in 2022, but that's because you had other content to carry the interests of the average player and people weren't as burnt out on that type of content back then and there wasn't any serious competition (unlike now with TFR and RD). But that isn't a 1:1 comparison, now is it? The original Brazil demo wasn't as overbearing as Mexico and the CaB release with its mini games and it featured proper proxy war engagements that was tied into the story of the tag, and in a war that actually matters to the OFN. Mexico had nothing and CaB had a retard scuffle in an irrelevant sandlot where every interesting outcome was a fail state that wasn't even canon. And on top of that, it's several times as long. So they would still alienate people. Just not as much as in the current landscape.

>>2076969
>CaB
?

3 major updates in a year, how are we feeling TNOchads?

>>2076176
Like putting TFR's economy system in TNO or putting TNO's economy system in TFR?

>>2076910
BE gone discord jannie go back to your slop

The Nigger Order

>>2076969
truthnuke

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3504228377
tno economy system in vanilla
tfr economy system in vanilla
millenium dawn economy system in vanilla.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3489176576&searchtext=TNO+economic+Equestria
tno economy system in equestria at war

>>2075264 (OP)
Panzer era TNO was just a steaming dookie with some gems in it
New TNO is a shit covered pavement where the dookie was, but half the gems are gone

Both options suck, just go play Campaign Trail already like everyone else, including the devs and stop rose-tinted-glassing over retarded Burgundy countryball memes that you thought were funny 6 years ago in your middleschool.

>>2076990
The thing on the right no one played.

>>2077067
Presumably letting TFR's system (good) overwrite TNO's (bad).

TNO devs (the sane ones), please understand: I actually feel bad for you. You wasted a large portion of your lives making something no one wants. Not necessarily because it's bad, but because you're removing all wars from a war game and then try to sell this to war gaming fans. No one wanted this. No one. Please understand.

>>2077383
why are they sad? they are leaving auschwitz!

>>2077405
I don't know how some devs haven't quit after the leads just scrap everything they have worked

>>2077406
>Leave the theme park
>Have to go to Brazil instead
Wouldn't you be sad too?

>>2077407
I mean, many have and do. But I talked to a dev once that made me understand why they stay on. He said it was just fun to get to work on the replacement tag. He doesn't play the game so it makes no difference to him. A lot of them seem to get rotated too.
>Work on something
>Get transferred to another rework
>The thing you were working on is reworked when you're busy with another rework
It's quite the grift.

>>2077405
The worst thing is even if we treat it as what its trying to now be, its still godawful. For compared to suzerain, its incredibly mediocore.

>>2077457
I wouldn't want to play HOI4 in Suzerain and I wouldn't want to play Suzerain in HOI4. Simple as.

>>2077482
i have bad news for you
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044424957

>>2077542
I meant more trying to mutate Suzerain into being a wargame. That actually looks like it could be fun because it sticks to HOI4's actual rules and strengths. Almost like trying to turn HOI4 into a different game was a bad idea.

>>2077567
> Almost like trying to turn HOI4 into a different game was a bad idea.
yeah its almost so obvious that its surprising the devs didnt realize it.

>>2075810
The lead dev, Gopher, announced in a locked comm server channel that he's stepping down soon. With all the other departures my guess is that he was the one trying to unfork the mod and go back to TNO and the new map. He's also cancelling Batov but said that he'll release it as a submod for TNO instead. Since he had no idea Omsk was completely unplayable for years and what to do about it... Yeah, don't see that happening. Guy doesn't even play HOI4 any more.

>>2077886
>5 weeks
>set backs
yea this TNO redux is fucking dead lmao

>>2077890
I'm actually feeling more hopeful if all the reworkers that did nothing of value are gone/leaving. What did they accomplish in all these years after taking over? Nothing released other than a US expansion that killed the NPP. We know they wanted to turn Omsk into Mexico for the longest time.

If we're lucky, this could be like Czar being booted from TFR or if Mango left TNO. We saw their leaked plans last thread. ODF map, skeletonized Africa, returning to the fold. Them leaving is only good. But not gonna lie it's bleak and them trying to reintegrate into TNO definitely set the mod back a lot.

>>2075264 (OP)
>DV confirmed for integration
Can someone post proof? I left the team months ago and cannot see for myself.

>>2077963
assuming this isn't edited and they haven't outright denied it

>>2077964
YIPPEE!!! OTL SLOP NO ONE ASKED FOR!!!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!

>>2077964
God I want to fucking die. What is it was TNO fags and being as boring as humanly possible?

>>2077925
>Czar being booted from TFR
Thank God 99% of the dev team and fanbase rallied together to kick him out.

>>2077973
If only people would boot out Mango.

>Obummer, the TNO America lead that was writing for Romney before he got booted out of for Fong
>First he does a "until the last Ukranian" dogwhistle in his epic satire of neocons where the entire joke of the mod is that "neocons luv war"
>Then in his other 2024 mod, he drops this if you choose to visit the midwest, making a woe so sad text about american bombs killing "scared young man" in Donetsk, see pic.
Why are the TNO devs so content in having an pro-russian dogwhisler in their dev steam?

We miss you, Ashley

It will never not be funny that Pacifica took Panzer's dream job at Paradox.

>>2077982
Who gives a fuck if someone's pro-russia or pro-ukraine? Just make good content

>>2076626
Its trying its hardest to be.

>>2077996
Everything they do is guided by politics, concepts like 'fun' do not exist to them.

>>2077886
>>2077884
More updates from Five the current 2WRW lead, the rework clique are basically gone now, the previous lead accounts are no longer in the comm server, and the announcement here where it says: "Whatever old roadmap or previous indications the team has given, they are going to be null and void while we get other things underway" 100% refers to the nudev plans of reworking all of Africa, unforking the mod and becoming a submod of TNO, integrating the new map, etc.
Looks like crisis averted, thank fucking god. First TFR and now this, hopefully these back-to-back failures drive the point home that these realismfags are never going to get what they want.

I know people hate the ODF map here but personally I like it. It is the only thing I want 2WRW to actually integrate into the redux. But fuck DV, I want Heldenvolk Africa and Africa Addio content instead.

>>2078009
>All reworker nudevs gone
>All their plans are in tatters
>They'll never repeat the mistakes of the TNO devs and their minigames
Holy shit, a realismfag takeover actually failed? This whole thing really felt like when Czar tried to take over TFR. It's really shitty of the nudevs to try to unfork especially since they had promised the community that they'd go their own path. What the fuck would the point be in forking if you'd just return to square one?

>>2078012
The people that wanted the new map also tried to remove the Congo Lake and turn all RKs into a single skeleton so maybe you should be careful what you wish for.

>>2078046
>MENA
Shame MENA confident is now indefinitely delayed because of Czar being a fag and filling team with his retarded talentless friends.

>>2078046
>takeover actually failed
It's not hard when people realize what's going on.
TNO happened very slowly, chipping away at common criticisms like Atlantropa.

>>2078054
TNO's takeover happened because it was so slow and gradual, people didn't realise until it was too late. By comparison, czar's takeover attempt on TFR and the recent nudev attempt to take over 2WRW failed because they were too retarded and open about their goals and got found out quickly and kicked out by their respective communities.

>>2078046
>It's really shitty of the nudevs to try to unfork especially since they had promised the community that they'd go their own path
Arguably the worst part about the nudev attempt on taking over 2WRW is that it hampered Omsk's release by a couple weeks, it was meant to be released in June, but the recent fuckery delayed it until the current 2WRW team cleans house with their reworkfag coup attempt.

>>2078054
They would likely have gotten away with it if they schemed in DMs like the TNO devs did. Instead they bragged about what they were doing all over the Devcord because they knew the overall lead was on their side. Total hubris. Even if they somehow succeed in ruining the mod they've been completely outed.

so hoi4 is adding in coal
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-corner-thermodynamics.1803015/
will this affect tno?

>>2078260
Probably not. They refuse to adopt new systems and they already have their terrible power plant system. Most tags don't even need to use factories and you can't build them either so it'll be a mess even if they tried because they broke all vanilla mechs lel.

>>2078285
>because they broke all vanilla mechs lel.
An absolute mess of a mod, lmao

>>2077884
>Burnt out
>Can't code, write, do graphics or design content
>Literally never did anything except make mockup flowcharts and sit in voice chat all day
Absolute embarrassment even by nudev standards.

>>2078293
He even made a cope server for his last remaining friends where they can talk about his proposals. The similarities with Czar just stack up.

>>2078046
>The people that wanted the new map also tried to remove the Congo Lake and turn all RKs into a single skeleton so maybe you should be careful what you wish for.
You can never get a fair compromise with these fuckers, I swear. One step forward and ten steps back.

>>2078293
This is the guy who enabled the nudev clique (together with some other lead who is no longer in the public comm server) and who previously had no idea that Omsk was unplayable for years. Completely incompetent on every level, no surprise that his little coup attempt failed.

>>2077982
Concerning, the TNO dev team shouldn't have someone who endorses Russia's illegal war.

>>2078789
I support Russia's war and I hope he's banned because I think it'd be funny.

>>2077993
Wait really? Panzer wanted to become a Paradox dev?

>>2078927
No I'm pretty sure ayrt is just joking. Panzer's way too sane and stable to want that kind of shit inflicted upon him.

>>2078927
>>2078950
Yes. He only managed to get the position after he trooned out.

>>2078967
Holy shit, my boy Panzer's a PDX slave and got a reunion with Pacifica? Nice! Happy for them!

>>2078967
Can he even program or is he another useless "content designer"

>>2079120
He seems to actually have some competency. Don't know how much it translates to a more professional game but still.

>>2079184
he is good at organizing mod development and thats about it

Bro does NOT like Huey Long
https://x.com/TNOQuoProQuid/status/1938215698074898674

>>2079230
what the fuck?

>>2079230
lmao is the fag on this shit again? He's usually only this butthurt about Nixon. Both men are, obviously, greater than him and have accomplished more for America than he ever will. Suffer, QPQ.

>>2079230
>>2079258
Least deranged TNO USA dev.

>>2079270
no capitalization and several missing periods, yet this guy considers himself an academic.

>>2079230
>semi-literate
Huey Long completed a three-year law course at Tulane University in a single year and passed the Louisiana bar exam.
>dog fucker
he made that up, completely
>sieg heel goosestepping
Long publicly ridiculed the European dictators, he wanted nothing to do with them.
>steal as much as he could physically carry
He didn't steal from treasury. He made a law where state employees were required to donate a part of their salaries to fund his political campaigns.
>impoverishing the state for vanity projects
He taxed the shit out of Standard Oil to build
1. thousands of miles of roads and over 100 bridges
2. established a charity hospital system for the poor
3. provided free textbooks for everyone, even blacks.
4. he expanded the state university
>making promises he had no intention of fulfilling
He did fulfill his promises to the poor, that's why he was popular.
>regular invocations of martial law
Very exaggerated claim. It's a valid criticism, but he didn't use it regularly.
>a vocal and enthusiastic white supremacist
Laughably dishonest. Unlike his opponents, he avoided racebaiting. His programs helped both whites and blacks.
If he was an actual white supremacist, he would have allied with the klan, as many southern politicians did. Instead the klan actually campaigned against him.

I MISS IT ANONS
I REMEMBER READING THE DEV DIARIES OVER AND OVER
AND THEY WERE DENIED TO ME
IT STINGS ANONS

>>2079363
The Iraqi focus tree was going to be a MURDER MYSTERY, the political path of Iraq was going to be decided via a playable murder mystery path with you as the detective. We were denied this, there will never be anything creative like this with the Realism Clique, fuck.

>>2079286
With this kind of rigorous research, it makes sense that we're getting a Nixon cartoon villain dictator route.

>>2079427
does quoproquid have any academic credentials or shit? It would be funny if he did

>>2077884
>I'm taking all my toys and walking away!!
All his documents (1) leaked back in January and no one cared because of how little was in it. In fact no one talked about it only the fact that the retard leaker doxed himself by using a personal Google account.

>>2079427
I hate modern tno but having Nixon become the american ceaser after winning every single proxy war and winning the entire cold war in a decade would be kino.
They're never going to add it of course but it would be nice if the redux considered it

>>2075264 (OP)
Well, there you go. Fucking finally.

>>2079536
I remember saving it but Catbox is down. I'll upload it when it goes up again. There were some other leaks too but since the leaker used his actual e-mail for it he was banned pretty much instantly.

>>2079755
Now he's jinxed it. Last time they gave a release date TNO released an update on the same day, and then they had a realism clique coup attempt the same week that stopped development for weeks. Over-under on their budget store Czar throwing another drama bomb just to ruin this one too?

>>2079755
GOYDA

This is what the lead dev had to say about the announcement date btw

>>2079857
FOR FUCKS SAKE
DON'T JINX IT

>>2079755
Hoping for them to add 6 million germans to the omsk playlist

>>2079755
>>2079857
its fuckin happenin
I am ready

>>2077884
>>2079536
>>2079767 (me)
Catbox is up again.
https://files.catbox.moe/1nuym5.pdf
In three years most of what was made were some bullet points about GUI mini games. The original leaker said that nothing was done to make any of this be more than a Denmark GUI wishlist. I remember there being more but it didn't get saved and was all narrative. Same nudev also let Omsk be a Denmark GUI wishlist for years, just saying.

>>2075264 (OP)
Two more weeks.

>>2080463
>two more weeks meme made for real

>>2080463
The nudevs will sabotage this one too. Count on it.

>>2080463
LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>2080487
trvst the plqn, the dutch are in control

>>2080775
Gopher will find a way to become Czar 2.0.

>>2080463
Total destruction of the Teutonic race in two weeks.

>>2080807
if gopher knows what's good for him he'll stay locked in containment

>>2079755
uh oh TNOdevsisters emergency meeting in the discord

>>2080837
Considering he's the retard who couldnt get Omsk out in two years while Five did it in a month or so, I am willing to bet that he's going to try to do something fucking stupid before Omsk is released.

>>2080901
I'm betting on him trooning out and trying to get the community to get rid of Five for being transphobic

>>2080463
TTD IN TWO WEEKS

>>2080901
>1 month
Not a month, most of the work was done by his predecessor over the course of half a year. He then hand picked Five to finish the thing earlier this month. Lowkey based on the leaks I think he was also very upset/burnt out about the map drama since he was highly critical of the new map. Can't be a coincidence that he went on indefinite break when the ODF integration talk started.
>Gopher couldn't get it out in 2 years
He actually didn't work on Omsk at all. He was the Sverdlovsk lead. But he did allow Batstory and Kaiser Nut to sperg about minigames and produce absolutely nothing for over three years without any complaints. So it's actually worse than you're saying.

>>2080487
>>2080807
>>2080901
>>2080931
>>2080974
Gopher won't try and come back, Five confirmed him and his team being BTFO permanently.

>>2081037
It may seem like a clean sweep since everyone from the leaks and Gopher are leaving (at least the bad guys) but you never know what kind of drama they might pull on the way out. It's bad enough that they caused everything to be delayed at least another month with their map coup attempt.

so if i make a mod do I just set up production quotas. And if modders fail to reach them, I purge them?
Would I avoid a tno fiasco by doing that

>>2081228
No because TNO has infamous quotas compared to more successful mods like EAW, KR and TFR. TNO's problem isn't that people sit around doing nothing. It's that you have a lot of people doing lots of things that don't matter and leads that then tell them to start over from scratch every now and then. Both TNO (and 2WRW until new years it seems) would spend an absurd amount of time on minigames too, reinventing the wheel pointlessly. For TNO this game us a dozen Denmark GUIs for third world countries and 2WRW wanted to do the same thing for Omsk until the previous lead stepped in and threw all of that into the trash where it belongs.

If you want a mod to actually get finished you should have a clear vision, write it all down into a document, and keep it all within your skill set and resources. Don't be overambitious and keep your feet on the ground. It really isn't that hard. TNO managed to release content that's being talked about to this day when they did this and only stopped when they started to try to turn HOI4 into TCT and no amount of harsh quotas will save you if you try to do that.

>>2081242
wait tno still has quotas and its still failing to release shit? wtf lol?
thats fucking sad

>>2081246
Yes TNO is absolutely infamous for their quotas. I've worked for various mod teams over the years and ALL of them used "we don't want to be like TNO" as a reason for not having quotas.

>>2081246
Lots of teams have some form of quotas but it's usually more like an activity check to see if you're still around. TNO has a very harsh quota system that treats it more like a job would where you're expected to put in a certain hours a week based on what they ask of people. The problem never was people being lazy. But when you delete all the wars from a war game and decide to fill the void with minigames you're going to have a problem.

>>2081274
>>2081256
so the only real problem is just leadership and direction. wow, the realism coup leaders really did kill the mod.

>>2081283
Yes, they did. We have a lot of clear examples of this. TNO made the bulk of its content before the realism coup with all of Russia's unifiers, Bormann and more taking less time to make than Mexico or any of the reworks. TFR took four years to go from nothing to a full release in 4 years, about the total time it took to finish Brazil's minigames. They've since put out full routes every few months because they aren't trying to create mini game collections. 2WRW also rather infamously had zero progress on Omsk for 3 years until half a year ago when their replacement Omsk lead, taking a cue from TFR, sidelined the nudev clique and removed all minigame plans. Panzer's harsh quotas got results when he asked people to just make regular HOI4 content. TFR achieves the same, arguably more, with their relaxed quotas. No mod following a nudev philosophy, however, can release anything no matter how soft or harsh the quotas are.

Turns out the common denominator for all failed projects is having a clique of politicized nudevs at the helm. Who'd have thought?

>>2076634
>I wasn't interested in TNO Mexico
>I wasn't interested in TNO Mexico
>I wasn't interested in TNO Mexico
When's the devcord gonna get the memo that nobody gives a shit about south america in a mod about a european war. we'll get Indonesian civil war content before they touch eastern europe

>>2081298
>Turns out the common denominator for all failed projects is having a clique of politicized nudevs at the helm. Who'd have thought?
grim so fucking grim. Tno died because of....minigame and visual novel liberalism.

>>2081301
Latin/South America are the only places getting progress because no one cares. In Europe you have Lamounier autistically demanding reworks every five minutes and lots of infighting over what should be in them while Corn is reworking every single tag from scratch. Let's not even get started o America with all of its reworks driven by personal politics.

>>2081309
What about Asia?

>vote pig dev diary that was supposed to drop a year ago on July 4th looks posed to drop the same date this year
this is your progress on richard 'dog fucker' nixon derangement syndrome.

>>2080463
This better actually congratulate you on reclaiming Russia from German invaders instead of moralising about muh dictatorship unwholesome, muh are we the baddies, muh Putin is literally yazov

We are six months late on the RUSSIA DEV DIARY
WHERE IS THE DEV DIARY CORN

2wrw spends six months fixing a broken dev cycle and is about to release a major update
TNO spends six months without even finishing a fucking dev diary of a couple pages

>>2081339
The lead dev there turning japan from a fascist dictatorship on the brink of another military coup to just a conservative democracy made the devs for every other country in asia just mass quit for good

>>2081405
The same dev that deleted all the minigame plans before appointing Five also said that he rewrote most of the old narrative. No more purges every two seconds, no more moralizing, no more railroaded failures. Said that he wanted Omsk to be fun and bombastic. He also said that he was making a big deal out of the bunkers in Bearer chat and that Yazov was going to try to save Russia in the inevitable war and actually have a hope narrative from their perspective, ie we endure hardship now but your children will get to inherit a world free from Russia's enemies. If any of the old preachy stuff makes it in it's by mistake at this point. He leaked a lot of the yeeted content too and it was every bit as bad as you said so at least you two are on the same page? Only thing I worry about is that he took a timeout over burnout around the time the nudev coup was going down so all of it might not make it into the July release but I'd be shocked if he didn't try to give it the After Midnight treatment later. He seemed to actually like Omsk.

>>2081406
>The dev diary has taken a year

>>2081439
What the actual fuck? Why? How did we go from Tojo and gassing the chinks to a wholesome democracy IN AN AXIS VICTORY TIMELINE?

In reddit theres usually a big main sub that shills for the product, and a sister/brother sub that criticizes the product.
In last of us it was lastofus vs lastofus2, In titanfolk it was snk vs titanfolk, In one piece it is one piece vs piratefolk, etc etc.
I just discovered this https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/comments/1eg139x/has_tno_fell_off/
Is nppfunny the tno criticizing subreddit?

>>2081486
https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/comments/1kzpwm4/tno_devs_working_on_something_remotely/
okay yeah this might be the criticizing tno sub lol

>>2081486
NPP funny is the old Panzerite holdout.

>>2081439
>>2081479
>japan
>>>>>just another democracy
Wouldn't that be a horrific whitewashing of Imperial Japan? How did this idea even make it past the fingers tapping on the keyboards when it should be immediately obvious that it's essentially on the same level as portraying Hitler's government as a gaggle of kind statesmen? This is something that should get the team absolutely torn to pieces for by general consensus. "More bland gameplay" is somehow the LEAST terrible aspect of this.

>>2081553
>Wouldn't that be a horrific whitewashing of Imperial Japan?
Yes.
>How did this idea even make it past the fingers tapping on the keyboards
"""Realism"""
>it's essentially on the same level as portraying Hitler's government as a gaggle of kind statesmen
They're making Hitler free the slaves and the Poles are just guest workers.

What's funny to me is that this isn't a /pol/hard meme but the byproduct of a radlib echo chamber. In fact I'd expect/pol/ to whitewash less since they're at least slightly self aware.

>>2081562
Isn't 2WRW just as gay and libby as TNO now?

>>2081688
Gassing every Teutonigger who ever lived is kino

>>2081688
See: >>2077884 >>2081037
The guy that enabled the realism clique is on his way out and the people in charge now are saying that they'll never tolerate anything like that happening ever again so we can at least be cautiously optimistic. The whole plan to reintegrate into TNO is at least dead in the water.

>>2081553
Yes I levied this exact criticism before. The new Japan leads are Japanese themselves and apparently major apologists. When I said it war crimes were part of their culture I got clowned by anons but Im right lol
Japan will be a wholesome liberal democracy with 80% of the paths being flavors of liberalism. There will be "conservative democratic" failstates if Japan "slips into populism" and like one single fascist path out of 10 that ends in "techno cyber-fascism". amazing. All the characters you know and like are being scrapped. Most of the paths will be OTL Prime Ministers of the LDP. Hell OTL Japan will be more conservative than TNO japan since OTL had kishi lmao
The new Japan devs were directly asked about things like Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanjing and said they "wouldn't mention those things" or didn't want to talk about them in the mod.
I mean tracks with Manchuria being able to become a communist paradise under ex-CCP members that has total gender equality, the abolition of private land ownership, mass redistribution and nationalization of JAPANESE assets, sending the IJA home, gaining independence etcetera with Japan not couping that shit immediately. So wholesome

>>2081819
wait werent the first japanese devs purged because they were japanese apologists?
They replaced them with even more extreme japanese apologists?

>>2081562
>>2081819
>Japan
>>The new Japan leads are Japanese themselves and apparently major apologists
>Germany
>>They're making Hitler free the slaves and the Poles are just guest workers
Vile, incredibly irresponsible, and also maddeningly hypocritical.
I don't want to hear any word about """realism""" or see any freak-outs about how other HOI4 mods are promoting far-right ideas from this team until they get their own shit sorted out. They are actually just part of the very scourge they claim they wish to sunder. On both fronts.
How are they managing to get away with this?

>>2081819
>The new Japan devs were directly asked about things like Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanjing and said they "wouldn't mention those things" or didn't want to talk about them in the mod.
WHAT THE FUCK
How??? How is the liberal mod full of these lunatics?

>>2082320
Yes they did and it was retarded as well.
>>2082376
They literally do not give a fuck anymore unless you go directly against their ideals or directly do some trolling like putting "FUCK NIGGERS".

Realism is when the Axis Powers do good and wholesome things after winning WW2.

>>2082414
Realism is when no atrocities, unless you're that VILE DEMON FROM THE UNDERWORLD Huey Long, who unlike Hitler would have never ended slavery in his home country.

Is Long and Arduous Road compatible with 2WRW or do I need to use it with the nuTNO map?

>>2082352
>How do they get away with it
Because most of it's just confirmed rewrites for content that'll never release. The only people that know about it are a few people on Discord and people who actively follow the trainwreck on 4chan. The average player/fan will literally never even be made aware of any of this and the things we bitch about today will have been reworked next year. Just like how last year none of us could even fathom that this is where the narrative was going.

What is even going on anymore desu

>>2082352
The Japanese devs are actual imperial apologists, but the German ones are obsessed with making Nazi Germany exist in 1962 be realistic, especially with the civil war removed, so they are effectively attempting to delete anything that may make Germany "less stable" or "less developed". So slavery is gone, Hitler canonically freed the slaves, Moscowien can't collapse and its a NEH borefest, etcetera

>>2082376
To be fair there are many liberal japanese apologists. Look at the PM list of the new Japan content (never releasing) after the 12313th rework, its just OTL PMs lmao

>>2082417
Funny how they reveal their biases by hardon hating on domestic figures like Huey Long and Nixon, who obviously may be very shitty in some ways but like. They are being portrayed as worse than Bormann lmao. Schalafy fascist dictatorship path is laughable. Nixon dictator is laughable. Having fucking Kennedy come back for more terms as an old fuck is laughable. Having multiple Kennedy paths is laughable.

>>2082424
I don't think so no, unless it changed recently

>>2081406
>Corn dev diary when
These thigns take time.
t. Corn

>>2082435
>the German ones are obsessed with making Nazi Germany exist in 1962 be realistic
I guess that makes sense as an explanation. It's still hysterically funny to me that they created the biggest whitewash ever in the process.

>They are being portrayed as worse than Bormann lmao
That always got me too. It's obviously way worse under Mango but the US in particular always had that issue. Wallace not being a fan of busing blacks along with whites? Oof, worst shit in human history. Bormann burning another trillion fags? Par for the course. It'd be interesting if you had people like Nixon, Wallace and others seem like lefties because they're so far removed from the new normal in Europe but grasping that an Overton Window might move is clearly beyond these people.

>>2082435
>Antarctica toozer
>For an offshoot of a third world country
>That will never ever get content in the first place
This is the saddest shit even. How buckbroken are these people and what kind of retard wakes up in the morning thinking this is something literally anyone outside of their Discord echo chamber cares about?

>>2082489
FIJI IS MY FAVOURITE TAG IN TNO!

>>2082553
OH MY GOD JUST OPEN A WORLD ATLAS OR GEOGRAPHY TEXTBOOK YOU VAPID CUNTS

>>2082553
These are ScareSith and all xer alts

Latin America dev announced a rework of the Colombia skeleton in the civil war, because the ideology of its current leaders is unrealistic (the SPA leader was apparently just a fascist and not a nazi). It is not currently in dev and it is unknown when it will begin implementation

>>2083174
HOLY SHIT WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS

>>2083174
Screenshots?

>>2083192
Don't forget to say twank you anon

Are the tno devs planning to release something big in the next five years

>>2083198
Germany is still slotted for the second half of the year since last year. Will it release? no

>>2083174
>>2083196
He's such a dumb motherfucker. I remember old leaks here saying that the leads hated everything he did on Colombia and the only thing that saved him from a total rework was that no one cared about Colombia. Just you watch. They're going to make him do an OTL start for the tag and remove the CW.
>Implemented when the Argentina or next Brazil trees come out
Bro you'll be dead from high age well before either even get a release date I think you can commit to an ideology change in that timespan. Oh wait, you can't, because you're actually being told to rework everything. LMAO.

>>2083211
>Bro you'll be dead from high age
The correct term is old age.

Holy shit, imagine how much it must sting the nu-devs to know that 4chan, infamously right-wing site, likes a trans ex-dev who hasn't touched the mod in like 3 years vastly more than them. How do they cope?

>>2083238
By ignoring all criticism and pretending their shit smells like roses.

BRING PACIFICA BACK

There's actually a lot of devs from that era that I'd bring back. Some of whom I didn't think I'd want back, including Pacifica. There's just no way we could've known how bad things would get. We're beyond parody at this point.

is it too early to start feeling a bit of hope again?

>>2083255
Cautious optimism. But at least Gopher's coup was stopped and they aren't going back to TNO like he wanted. And I don't care that he's taking his proposals with him because if the Omsk development he allowed for years is anything to go by it's all story and no gameplay.

>>2082376
rape of nanjing was fake and gay
dev team sucks anyway but at least they have that

>>2083279
I don't understand how anyone could see TNO and think 'mhm yes we need to RETVRN to this'. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Like, seriously, what does nuTNO offer? Libwanking so hard you end up whitewashing the Axis powers while at the same time painting random Republicans as worse than Hitler?
Saying 'oh, X historical figure wouldn't do that!' before turning a a Republican activist with no Presidential ambitions into a President who can flip to the scary brown ideology?

>>2083323
how long before:
>Richard Nixon deploys the army to shoot 5000 brown children because he's evil and hates wholesome POC

>>2083323
If you want to be charitable maybe it's more of a perceived path of less resistance thing. Piggyback off of TNO's code flexes, get (shitty) content for free and occasionally drop your own updates. But since the people in that clique cared more about politics than gameplay (some like Bat didn't even play HOI4) that falls apart due to them just being useless incompetents. And it's equally likely if not more that they just didn't care about TNO deleting all gameplay. All I'm saying: if he was willing to backpedal on the map he'd happily backpedal on Corn's Russia peace deals if they ever released.

>>2083325
King Devnigger himself has already said that Nixon would blow up the world through sheer malevolent stupidity so we're well past that point: >>2079427

>>2083321
nice try moshe

https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/7WRowgItBC
Is this how he reveals Vote Pig?

>>2083321
Better documented than the so-called "Holocaust", you lying kike
>inb4 ur a seething chink
Nope, I'm calling out obvious Jew attempts to start fights between countries Jews (((coincidentally))) don't like

>>2083416
Seems like it.

>>2083444
Yeah that fucking lying kike bastard really is trying to fuck over us Asians who hate the Japs for their shit. You know it, I know it: no other genocide gets to infringe on their "sacred holocaust". That's why they try to downplay with the Japanese did to the rest of Asia. No doubt about it. The Jew gets the rope before the Chink, because at least the Chinese is a human being capable of rational thought.

>>2083416
lol another pathetic tooser

>>2083255
Has anything been posted to the subreddit about 2wrw lately?

>>2079270
Look at how retarded this dude's argument is
>He was deeply admired by fascists
>This fascist said a good thing about him
>An antisemetic preacher was his friend
>He was liked by "small land and business owners"
I don't even know why that one's a problem
>Some random academic's theories about what drives fascism correlate to Huey Long's appeal according to QPQ
Notice how literally none of this is actually about things Huey Long did or said. It's all about guilt by association, or even fucking vibes.

The one thing he says that Huey Long did which was 'fascist' according to him, is that he made deals with oil companies which he believes undermined unions. Okay? That's normal. Every governor does that.
Huey Long was trying to tax Standard Oil more, so he could build more roads and pay for healthcare for the poor and free school books, and he probably needed to make a deal with Standard Oil to do that.

QPQ is both deranged and knows fuck all about history

>>2081301
South America could be neat if they had anything to do.
Brazil has something to do with proxies admittedly. And so will Argentina and Colombia.

But Mexico has dick to do. It isn't even an interesting time for Mexican political history, this was the Tapado, where the PRI dominated everything and the president picked his successor without much fuss. The cartels weren't even a big thing back then.
So outside of the Tlateloco massacre, which most players would probably avoid, there really aren't any big events throughout the 60s in Mexican history

>>2083844
I tried, but I got instantly jannied.

On the TNO subreddit, posts have to be pre-approved by jannies before they can even be viewed. And then they wonder why subreddit activity is cratering.

>>2083889
What the hell? Why would they delete that? Hasn't 2wrw announced it publicly?

>>2083908
It was "off-topic".

They made changes to the roadmap

Mate they cancelled the roadmap over a year ago. They said they "didn't release updates in bundles" anymore so there was no point, things would release when they got there.
There has been no full content releases since Guangdong btw. zero. nada.

Mango responded a lot of questions but none of the answers are really significant. He basically announced a new supreme court minigame that will come into play over things like civil rights. There won't be any division beyond liberal vs conservative within it. Also, a new senate mechanic that will decide over bills and for example impeachment.
Nixon will for example try to impeach justices for being too liberal, that will be a major point of his gameplay.
All presidents will appoint some supreme court members in a predetermined way, without player choice anymore, except a few where the player will get a choice in some instances. Justices will come from a pool with presidents having mostly their own nominees with a few shared ones. The SC starts 6-3 liberal. Nixon impeaches William Douglas at the beginning of the game making it 5-3, likely 5-4

>>2083889
The posts about Fiji being the best thing ever suddenly make sense. But if you're only allowed to post that then of course that'll reflect in the userbase you actually retain. Everything that isn't about Fiji or Antarctica is off-topic, everything that isn't lavish praise is you "being a dick".

>>2083997
Community: "We want Glenn conquering Venus and an ACW!"
Mango: "Best I can do is a repository of Wiki articles about the good deeds of liberal justices on the bench."
Kill me.

in-dev for 5 fucking years lmao

>>2084089
More like they rebooted it a few years in and started to redo everything from scratch... Several times.

;-;

>>2084092
at least KR Russia got picked up fast after the first dev quit. Italy TNO is just constantly in dev hell

>>2084094
At this point Italy rework dropping is about as likely as the devs bringing back Atlantropa so he shouldn't hold his breath for either.

>>2084095
KR's Russia went through several iterations and devs. At one point they wanted something more left-wing and Soviet. A lot of KR's tags are like that. But with KR things eventually release in a playable state. Say whatever you want about KR, but they did update Russia and Germany faster than TNO did and neither completely wrecked the mod's lore. Sure some things were moved around, but for things to approach TNO levels you'd have to remove Black Monday and rework every tag affected by it from scratch... And then start over a couple of times.

Does anybody on the inside know if the US rework has changed from the Vote Pig document? If so, by how much?

>>2084208
All known leaks including the scrapping of Romney are in the OP. Help yourself and say thanks to the baker for compiling them: >>2075267
In short Mango and QPQ seem to rework it every time they get mad over Democrats taking Ls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/vlUmn6T1aX
Vote Pig tomorrow.

>>2083908
>>2083912
Since 2WRW is not a submod anymore, the damned jannies now remove every 2WRW related post on a technicality.

All these presidents will be lost... like tears in the rain.

>>2084276
Well, if the Dev Diary is anything like Penelope Webs Diary, then that content is never coming.

>>2084243
>Announcing your announcement
>For something that leaked years ago that everyday already knows about
>NPP deletions, massive content cuts and more
This is going to be such a shit show.

>>2084094
Just play Kiwifarms version of tno simple as that , go to workshop and search "The New Order: Rises Again" ,

>>2084276
Anime Hall is so fucking hot

>>2084289
Literally everyone knows about it by now.
https://files.catbox.moe/xscwn7.png
https://files.catbox.moe/dwpipi.png
https://files.catbox.moe/za7tdd.png
https://files.catbox.moe/s3dbj3.png

>>2084298
I would but my autism flares up when I see Atlantropa. Coastlines are hideous because of it and that is the one thing I liked the removal of.

Kek I remember them lying that the USA leak was "very outdated" info

>>2084357
lmao of course.

>>2084372
The proposal even has a fucking section on how to lie about the unpopular parts to slow boil the community, of course they'd do that. Nudevs always do that. Makes you wonder why they keep doing things they know no one will like.

Mango continues with the USA leaks! This looks... fairly mid but I guess Nixon isn't supposed to last long. Also usa dev diary tmr

>>2084391
This looks like those shit-ass cut TFR focus trees that were basically DO THINGS IN A ROW WITH NOTHING INTERESTING HAPPENING AND NO CHOICES. Glad to know TNO is somehow to the level of cut content from other mods.

>>2084391
>Nixon isn't supposed to last long

I'm pretty sure they're doing a "meme path" for nixon where he can get like 4 terms in office

Man, Nixon caesar is the best path morally, no compromise with fascist or nazis just pure american spirit

>>2084391
>>2084413
They're making him be able to become a dictator that runs infinity terms. Oldish and a bit outdated but he was at least meant to at some point. ngl only good part about the update.

>>2084419
>>2084413
Should've worded it better. Meant this was the starting path before his... resignation? idk what the new lore is gonna be. Ik he can be a three-term despot but this is his starting boring ass tree like the one he has rn. Also dk why JFK is his VP when NPP is scrapped and its just reps vs dems. Maybe he didnt win 270 EVs and congress picked potus and vpotus

>>2084419
Two term Nixon to Ronald Reagan.

>>2084419
Hart was the beginning of the end btw.

Kaiserreich won

>>2084429
Not possible you retard

>>2084437
Won over by walkover, but still a win nonetheless.

I’m more hyped for this place tearing the dev diary apart than reading the dev diary itself really

I wonder if they'll reveal the NPP deletion and all the other unpopular stuff right away and tear the bandaid on that or if they'll slow walk it with a drip feed of bad news that'll alienate everyone.

If it weren't LITERALLY one (1) NEET anon who snuck his way on the devteam seething the entire way, somehow infiltrated the inner circle, and has leaked for years, whilst creating every TNO thread and being responsible for all of the major hateful posts, and samefagging the other half of the thread, in a one-man war against the TNO development team, then I might take the criticisms in these threads more seriously.

>>2084419
>yockey gets gutted
>...yet for some reason Gus Hall remains
why what the fuck

>>2084558
Are you trying to convince me that Corn is actually a hero?

>>2084564
In the proposal there's an explanation for it that might as well just have been "I like him but dislike the other guy".

>>2084564
Because Yockey gets replaced by the real fascists (the Republicans of the 70s)

>>2084419
>Nixon personalistic dictatorship
KINO

>>2084391
The most interesting paths are the ones with lots of decisions/subpaths within them. For example the Wallace presidency gives you lots of choices to make about how far you're going to take states' rights and segregation, how liberal you will be economically, etc. While the Lyndon presidency is just mindlessly clicking focuses and is really boring. There are some countries in TNO which are narratively interesting like China but don't really have any choices and you don't have to work hard to get the best result.

Never forget who started all this

>>2084625
Nudevs if they dev-ed CWIC
>There won't be Polish Solidarity anymore
>Poland can never leave the Warsaw Pact

>>2084635
Do not fucking jinx it, anon. Last thing we need is *more* mods drinking the realism koolaid.

>>2084625
It's funny because I was on the team way back when Pacifica was around and he made a Norway proposal back then too where Norway could rebel and make Germany back down by holding out long enough. Then at some point when he took over he scrapped all of it and gave Germany complete plot armor which made it a completely railroaded mess. The latest leak from last year is five times bigger but there's no actual variety in it other than sometimes the colors on a pie chart change and there are no stakes in it either way for Germany. It's pretty sad when you think about it that he spent thousands of hours making actual interesting scenarios only to then delete it all and make something far worse.

>>2084653
Did some digging and found them.

https://files.catbox.moe/yf6cqo.png
https://files.catbox.moe/dlqq5r.png

>>2084558
I know you're joking but it'd be really funny if the baker turned out to be on the team. It'd make sense since he's "predicted" lots of reworks in his memes months before they actually leaked.

>>2084653
>>2084660
So we could've gotten an underdog miracle story but instead we're getting nothing ever happening? Fucking lame.

>>2084868
Which one?

>>2084870
The VP leaks, moron.

>>2084871
Don't call me a moron :(

>US rewoork
>coming next year (100% true trust us)
>probably means no other content until then
yawn

https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1lricq3/development_diary_xxx_yippie_part_14/
US rework announcement. All leaks from years back were on the money. No new content for another year and total OTLism.

>>2084887
A quarter of the comments are already deleted lol

By the way they're reworking the USA while Penelope Web was announced almost five years ago.

>>2084889
>First comment by Kateryna
>Everything is mass deleted
Business as usual over there. Noticed that tons of comments about the ports and Hawaii were removed when I refreshed.

>>2084887
And when it isn't OTLism, it's retarded.
>gus motherfucking hall installed as a lame duck for representation's sake, eat the rich but just the aesthetic
>forever president nixon to hammer in how much of a bad person he is
>schlafly becoming a fascist

>>2084897
Erm don't you know that Rockwell or Yockey can't be elected because the USA are an inherently white supremacist nation? BAKA BAKA.

>>2084897
From the flowchart it seems nixon only becomes a dictator through genuine popularity if he wins every proxy war. It looks to be a meme american ceaser path rather that radlib faggotry that's happening with schlafy.

It's all Hart's fault.

I just got permanently banned for leaking Yockey's removal in the comments lol.

>>2084901
Them.
>>2079427
This is the level of nuance you're working with and the proposal calls Nixon evil and has Kennedy be Americas last hope from his racist dictatorship.

>>2084868
Leakerchads eternally vindicated.

>it's still canon that the Americans bombed and gassed British cities during Sealion despite them desperately saying this didn't happen when they talked about the nu-Britain lore
Seems like they got rid of the Americans nuking Midway and Rotterdam though.

>>2084924
It's coming in a future leak. They're not dropping all hated bits just yet.

>>2084902
I tried to tell you motherfuckers that Hart replacing the funny NASA guy didn't bode well for anything. Everyone said I was retarded and it totally wasn't modern lib wish fulfilment with walkable cities and heckin' trains (not that either of these are inherently bad)
>>2084901
He makes an agency called DOGE in his forever president path and targets the poor oppressed Jewish bureaucrats. You were expecting nuance or God forbid something cool and Watchmen-y?

>>2084926
>DOGE
No fucking way they're trying to do a Nixon-Trump parallel.

>>2084930
nayrt but iirc it's in the Nixon tree leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png
But Catbox is down so I can't look.

>>2084930
They are.

>Whereas current TNO USA has 12 normal candidates, two edge cases, and playable content up to 1973, *Yippie!* will bring 30 normal candidates, over 10 edge cases, and playable content climaxing with the 1976 bicentennial and ending after January 20th, 1977
Does that mean that there are going to be 10 schizo radical presidents instead of 2?

>>2084948
Holy shit did Nixon kill Quid and Mango's family or what?

>Ford Presidency
>Fuck.
By the way it's only the republicans who can get dunked on like this, every dem has like no bad endings
>>2084949
Haha, no.

>>2084949
The ten "edge" cases are Republicans Mango and Quid don't like. Also Hall but he doesn't do jackshit because a guy like him would respect the authority of congress or some shit.

>>2084951
>Jerry Falwell ends the world
These are the people calling your mod unrealistic meme slop by the way

>>2084949
You're getting 20 liberals and 10 conservatives portrayed as Nazis, lmao.

>TNO 2
>US content expanded by 4 years
>3 proxy wars
also
>out by the end of next year according to lead
WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE

>>2084965
Brazil

>>2084948
So where is the DOGE?

>>2084965
Germany every year since 2022.

So who's replacing Yockey?

>>2084979
No one, lol.

>>2084979
Schafly.

>>2084982
HOLY SHIT I CANT WAIT THE UPDATE!

>>2084965
is the update coming "next year" even going to include 4 additional years, or is it just going to be a rework of the first 3 years instead of adding new content like they seem to do with every fucking patch.

>>2084998
They said that everything will be in one release. Everything from 1962 to 1976. "late next year"
Surely this will go smoothly and nothing will happen that will possibly delay or change this. Surely...

>>2085000
LOL. LMAO.

>>2075814

DMCA incoming in 3... 2... 1...

The Manhattan project, which the soviets famously had know about because they had people on the inside leaking info to them.
This lil' discord retard is more correct than he thinks.

>>2085054
>Stay secret for a long time
But everybody knew about this for years?

>>2085055
Exactly, the little buddy over here thinks the new USA content was kept under a airtight vigilance and was only now revealed to the public, when the soviets (us) had known about it for years.

>>2085054
He's literally the last person that learned about it, holy fuck what a clueless retard. It leaked years ago and has been in the sticky for at least a year.

THIRTY PRESIDENTS? talk about scope creep bro. They are gonna be shit. Nixon's first tree is boring af. This update gonna be fun for the first run but playing the 30 guys is gonna suck ass. Ill probably skip every wholesome lib and moderate conservative

>>2085055
4chan is not everybody. Normies have no idea about leaks beyond vague Reddit rumours if even.

>>2084438
Yes it is. If you read it you can see that to get Nixon a third term, you need to win all three of those events. And for him to resign he needs to lose all tree.
So, then, if you win at least 1 but not 3 Nixon doesn't run for a third term.

What are your ideas for what Atlantropa would've been like had TNO never undergone a realism coup?

>>2085120
30 is crazier than a lot of the most bloated KX tags and they don't meander like TNO does. And it'd be one thing if they were very different. But no, it's a dozen liberals, a dozen evil conservatives, and the rest or liberals that are evil because they flipped to the Republican party later.

>>2085128
Yeah but if something's been freely available for years at some point you can only avoid it by exclusively hanging out in their over-moderated Reddit or Discords.

>>2085211
Atlantropa was always an aesthetic but they never did anything with it. It'd be nice if it actually impacted the game in more meaningful ways, or if the new territories.

>>2084564
Hall is a lame duck elected on a technicality who has no ability to do anything. It's fucking retarded even if you like commies.

>>2085221
I always held the idea that, given Italy, turkey, and Iberia banded together after Germany just walked all over them and left them to clean up their mess, they would find ways of dealing with it. Iberia would try and accept Atlantropa as they were the least affected and would push to fertilizing the land, Italy and Turkey would both hate this and causes rifts in their alliance, the former just wanting it gone while the latter would push for retaliation, regardless of their chances of success. Yet, they each need each other because one has something that can keep them from becoming slaves to the reich, Italy still has a strong army and a fleet that beat Britain's, Iberia could be the voice of them, and Turkey would be feelings they have over everything. Ethos,Pathos,Logos?

But no, instead we have to read mirrors of wikipedia pages on people instead of playing with sci fi. Thanks corn and mango, you jerks.

>>2085222
100%. Old Hall was based and fun. I don't like commies but how can you look at picrel and not feel at least a little bit invigorated?

>>2085235
Good ideas. Would've given all three OG Triumvirate members some direction. But no, can't have that in our OTL wikiscrape, now can we?

>>2085235
imo atlantropa can only really work if you handwave away it immediately leading to half of italy becoming salted desert and making it into farmland like they thought would happen.
>>2085240
It's honestly over for hall and yockey because tno redux/2wrw has them get couped by the senate after a month in office

what the fuck is going on? This has to be some sort of bullshit going on behind the scenes again, a fucking keyboard?

So, haters, how does it feel that this is the community's reaction to the U.S. rework reveal?

>>2085249
>imo atlantropa can only really work if you handwave away it immediately leading to half of italy becoming salted desert and making it into farmland like they thought would happen.
>occasional event of italian settlers being forced to work land in the hellscape that is athe atlantropa-created realm
>italy wants to destroy atlantropa
>germany wants to keep atlantropa
>tensions uniite
I never understood the reasoning that the Italy writer could not make altantropa work. that seems like a piss poor excuse for laziness

>>2085249
>It's honestly over for hall and yockey because tno redux/2wrw has them get couped by the senate after a month in office
I am pretty sure TNO: RA still has them.

>>2084419
Shirley Temple? The child actress?

>>2085264
>Italy sees that the initial draining only creates barren salt flats
>Athlantropa is stopped immediately in its early construction because it will literally turn all of europe into a desert from the encroaching sahara

I think a compromise that could work is to make the land useful farmland for the first few decades but over the 60s the soil gradually grows more and more barren as desertification comes in.
This makes the Italians decision to not immediately destroy the dam make sense and allows them to keep it as they have already sunk billions into the land and try to keep it fertile as the desert comes in.
As for the German-Italian split just make it happen because Hitler calls Italians sub humans or something like that

>>2085268
2wrw used to have a skeleton where Hall would declare a communist government and Yockey would declare the new imperium or get couped by the military or underground communists but they replaced all that with OTL presidents

>>2085264
Atlantropa destroys the economy of Italy if it’s played at all realistically. They lose all their ports in exchange for miles and miles of infertile salt flats. I get why the devs said they couldn’t work with it.

>>2084298
its amazing dear lord

>>2085257
why would you order a keyboard online? just go to your local tech store and buy one there, unless you are turbo autistic and need to have razer or whatever

>>2085277
They can just make new ports, or come up with some technology to lift the ports/handwave technology that allows them to keep ports. It's not hard to come up with sci fi reasons why it doesn't obliterate a country. It's a sci fi concept in the first place.

>>2085288
Typing the concept into chatgpt reveals these possibilities:
> Artificial Inland Canals & Deepwater Ports. Massive canals are dug from the new lower coastline inland to the old port cities like Genoa, Naples, or Venice. These canals are lined with advanced erosion-resistant materials and may be freshwater-fed to prevent salt contamination.
>Floating or Hover Ports. Rather than trying to keep traditional ports functional, Italy builds floating ports that hover or float out on the new Mediterranean shoreline.
>Vertical Arcology Ports. Instead of sprawling ports, Italy constructs vertical port-arcologies at the edge of the new sea. These are multi-layered megastructures that combine living space, port facilities, dry docks, and industrial centers into compact vertical buildings.
>Bioengineered "Living Harbors." Italy uses advanced bioengineering to "grow" new harbors out of coral-like biotech that reshapes and detoxifies the salty terrain.
>Climate/Matter Manipulation. Sci-fi Italy develops weather or matter manipulation tech (perhaps derived from German or Japanese science) that allows reshaping the terrain.
>Subsurface Ports. Receding seas expose deep caverns and old geography. Italy turns these into underground ports with access tunnels leading from the sea to cities inland.
>Port Relocation via Floating Cities. Italy abandons its old coastlines entirely and builds massive floating or mobile cities that function as both ports and naval bases out in the new Mediterranean.
>Salt Harvesting Megaprojects. Italy turns the salt problem into an economic opportunity. Mega-scale desalination and salt-mining projects gradually reclaim the land, making it fertile over decades. Ports are gradually rebuilt as terrain is purified.
Some of these ideas might be stupid, but the point is that you can easily come up with ways around Atlantropa's consequences if you're willing to be a little creative. The writers just wanted to give up on it, though, because they're fags.

>>2085295
kill yourself retard

>>2085257
What the fuck

They are making LBJ a conservative loonie who is against civil rights and helps Nixon purge liberals the FUCK
In the dem nomination he also represents the nationalist south
what the FUCK
Why are radlibs like this, LBJ was the most transformative domestic president since roosevelt and has kept that mantle today, he did a ton of economic and cultural reforms lmao, his fucking successor who nearly won was socialist-adyacent and would've been the most left-leaning potus in history

Why not sicc ICE upon the USA dev team to delay the update...

>>2085324
If you're gonna make OOC presidents at this point make Reagan stay a Democrat or even better have them actually join the CPUSA in 1939.

>>2085249
Reduxers have said that this was only to comply with the Mangooner policies. With the reworkers gone, there's every reason to hope that this will be reversed.

>>2085257
I wish he'd just stop announcing dates. I appreciate the transparency, but holy fuck, wait until you're a few days out like everyone else.

>>2085258
>After deleting all negative responses we found a positive one!
Nice try, Kateryna.

>>2085318
Not an argument. In fact, I accept your full unconditional surrender to this argument that you can't win.
>it's t-too difficult to come up with a scenario where X happens
No, it's not. Not when sci fi exists.

The dev diary was a success. /vst/ and 2wrw chuds have lost.

>YOU'RE BAITING!! EVERYONE HATES THE DIARY!!
>Proof that people hate it? Uh....

>>2085363
Yeah, if you look at all the posts, the vast majority of people are excited about it. That's not to say there's not disgruntlement about the direction TNO has taken, as can be seen in posts on other subreddits, but it's not like the TNO devs were assaulted on their very subreddit with hundreds of bombarding dissent.

As the years go on, and the TNO updates come here and there, and the mod is further remade in the eyes of the new regime, more people will forget what the old era was, except for the occasional few who try uploaded old versions and think, "this unrealistic slop was just... bad."

Chudgang LOST.

i just dont get why the tnoseethers dont simply acknowledge that their image of the game is different than the devs/the vast majority desu

TUF devs are sharting their panties

>>2085352
Since when is TNO a "sci-fi setting". LARP Nazi megaprojects don't mean that it's not the sixties.

>>2084367
your autism sucks , Long live Atlantropa , if they did not want atlantropa they should a submod for that without it , instead of removing it

>>2085235
i also would like to see them talking about the creation of green areas in north Africa and how that would impacted that whole region , and how that could possible open new doors to
developing the region creating possible industrys and habitatle areas for humans , and desenvolving possible solutions to slowing fixing the atlatropa project caused ( without destroying the damn of course )

>>2085318
no u Kys faggot , fucking discord jannie

>>2085427
The land is salt flats, it is literally completely worthless. You can't even use the sand for concrete because its too fine. You would genuinely have an easier time building a city in the arctic than a village in the land made by by the dam

>>2085363
sure discord jannie , be more creative please

>>2085413
lmao the massive lake in the middle of africa? atlantropa? mere megaprojects are like the volkshalle. the massive lake in the congo is sc fi.

>>2085440
My nigga we could make the dam with 40s tech, it's not sci-fi

>>2085436
70% realism and 30% unrealism/sci fi , binch of creativaty and researching(allot of it ) solutions for such catastrophe would "resolve" the problem and create interesting content for Italy and possibly other mediterranean nations they would slowing resolve the consequenses of such catastrophe . try again jannie

devs confirmed the next update may not be Yippee, and that it will come before 2026 ends

>be more creative
>posts basedjack
newfags need to be killed

>>2085459
I don't believe them.
I just want Turkey and Greece content

>>2085472
Sorry anon but Turkey was rebooted twice so far and the Greece team disbanded over a year ago, all its content has been scrapped with the removal of the greco-turkish war

I BELIEVE BEFORE ALL ELSE IN TNO, ONE, INDIVISIBLE, AND INVINCIBLE

>>2084951
fucking ROTHBARD as a president?
wait, wasn't he a weird syncretic at this point in time? friends with left-wing anarchists and such?

>>2085221
I liked Atlantropa giving Spain something big to chew on for the whole game. As it stands you just sit there passively improving your economy for 10 years and fight two (2) proxy wars. There's no big political crisis, just the diumvirs glacially reforming or glacially consolidating power.

>>2085413
V1.0 had laser tanks, creating ubermensch made out of kidnapped men, Mars landings, Atlantropa and the world adapting to it in a few decades, sun guns, mega heavy tanks and more. OG TNO absolutely had soft science fiction elements. While it's true that most of these have been deleted that doesn't change the fact that the content that put TNO on the map was absolutely willing to push the boundaries for allowed technology.

>>2085521
Rothbard is just President for a day before the "adults in the room" tell him to fuck off (picrel near the bottom). A lot of these just read like Mango wanted to rapid fire dunk on people he didn't like which is about the level of maturity and nuance you'd expect from him. It's just one massively unrealistic asspull after another. But then he also lectures you on realism as he deletes swathes of content people actually liked.

>>2085525
>No big political crisis
>Just the diumvirs glacially reforming
Just as Corn intended.
What happens when a mod is made by people who don't play the game but think that real life politics are interesting.

>>2085535
>Rothbard is just President for a day before the "adults in the room" tell him to fuck off (picrel near the bottom).
you cannot be serious, that is so fucking retarded
what is mango even DOING???

>>2085535
Sometimes I wonder what Pacifica's vision for TNO would have looked like. The Ultravisionaries were her baby after all, and iirc she said Kardashev would get working fusion reactors by 2000.

>>2085543
Pacifica's vision for TNO was approving several new Russian unifiers just before leaving. She was also going to rework Zlatoust into a dedicated ultravisionary tag that'd solely focus on their pursuits. We can also glean something out of the DemKomi expansion. Who knows if it'd ever release but at least Pacifica's plans had some new content to go along with the reworks and the reworks would've doubled down on what made the original Russia content fun. Instead we're getting bland miserable dictatorships that all have been in dev hell for most of my adult life.

>>2085547
>several new Russian unifiers just before leaving
Out of curiosity, do you remember who?
>She was also going to rework Zlatoust into a dedicated ultravisionary tag that'd solely focus on their pursuits.
Wait really? holy shit that sounds based

>>2084951
>>Ford Presidency
>>Fuck.
Why do they hate Ford? I didn't live under him, but wasn't he just like, a run of the mill centre-conservative?

>>2085547
svetiana has her fathers eyes

>>2085549
>Do you remember?
We had a map leak from around the time that showed Onega being replaced and would've been an anti-Soviet democracy, Krasnoyarsk becoming a republic (but was also going to be like Magnitogorsk?), a new country called Novokuznetsk was added and was meant to be a bandit tag warlord, and of course you had the Tagil Soviet. Who knows if any of it would ever have been made or been any good but at least they offered something new and exciting. And the reworks they talked about back then tried to add more interesting content, not just make everything more "realistic".

Spilled milk, etc.

>>2085550
I've been trying to figure out if it's actually Gerald Ford or not. Because the way he puts it you'd think he was talking about Henry Ford coming back from the dead to kill the Jews.

>>2085559
>I've been trying to figure out if it's actually Gerald Ford or not. Because the way he puts it you'd think he was talking about Henry Ford coming back from the dead to kill the Jews.
It is. From >>2085535

>>2085561
Wait you're right it even says Gerald Ford there what the fuck? How is Gerald Ford your nightmare scenario? Why are you replicating his OTL presidency like that?

I'm sorry, this is all so stupid that I couldn't even bring myself to think this was actually where they were going with it.

Maybe it's time for me to finally accept that TNO is dead and move on. What other mods do you recommend? I haven't played manny.

>>2085569
end of a new beginning redux adds victoria 2 and 3 economics + politics into hoi4. It also turns hoi4 into victoria 2 and 3
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2861920794
update soon

>>2085569
I think I'll just play a different game altogether. No point in waiting around for the DV announcement to have the last ounce of hope sucked out of your body. Maybe try out OWB or TFR though. They were fun the last time I played them.

>>2085569
Unironically Equestria at War. It's autistic as fuck, but really fun. Your first game should probably be Griffonian Empire if you suck at hoi4, or Hippogriffia if you're good.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1826643372

>end of a new beginning devs literally port victoria 2 and 3s economy into hoi4
>yet tno devs cant make a good economic system
why didnt the tno devs just port in vic 2 and 3s system

>>2085578
They don't play HOI4. They don't care/know how broeken it is.

>>2085569
Equestria at War is the best mod overall right now if you can tolerate the ponies. TFR is fun but the writing is a bit bare. OWB is good but I can't recommend anything that was added in 5.0; they're good at adapting the source material but the original content is donut steel tier. Kaiserreich is the obvious one; it's improved a lot over the past 3 or 4 years but a lot of important tags still blow super hard.

Kuzunoha did nothing wrong

>>2084298
Why did they not include Guangdong?
Literally everyone liked it.

Unironically, could doxxing and siccing ICE on the TNO USA dev team could work? With quotas to fill, it's not like they check if the person's an immigrant or not before arresting them.

>>2085744
Because it's a pre-TT fork and the dev doesn't give a shit about the economy.

>>2085745
A plan so retarded that I'd suspect intentional well poisoning if this thread wasn't already notoriously stupid. Also they're all probably pale as shit, c'mon. No actual Mexican is this much of a stereotypical libshit.

>>2085745
Most of the devs are new england trannies, they're as far from the beaners as you can be

>>2085576
I thought everyone here like the 2WRW

>>2085791
That's a Redux though. Despite the best efforts of Gopher and his clique. Though ngl that one feels unstable after their coup and learning that many devs there were basically just wanted to become like TNO.

>>2085799
that's good right?

>>2085809
they are going to announce a bunch of things on the 27th, apparently. Likely also their rename included, so we will have to wait and see what comes out of it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3406575658
KF saved TNO2
Russian warlord content until the 80s

>>2085809
It is but you also got to take all their mismanagement into account. Having a coup attempt and a partial split close to a big release is just concerning too. Figues that the nudev would try and get in just one last twist of the knife on the way out even as he's being booted.

>>2085831
Looks like ass ngl

>>2085832
at least 2WRW is going to pump up an actual update soon >>2080463

>>2085849
Would've released sooner if they didn't have a civil war over the ODF map just because some people were butthurt about it not being adopted.

I just want my Black Hundredists Russia bros

>>2085858
>The Holy Russian cause is the extermination of the rebels. You know who they are and where to find them.

I actually liked the npp, it represented the rise of populism that some national catastrophe would bring. I would have preferred had the national part of the party acted more like the longists (omg huey on an alt history mod wow so original so wholesome) than the dixiecrats, because the idea of a party who's wings are opposed on a lot of things yet have to cooperate to have a chance to do the small things they agree is great, would be a lot better if anyone actually ran alongside a different wing vp, Wallace and Guy, RFK and Lemay, Harrington and MCS, Etc. Having it be basically two pacts on a trenchcoat was a waste of the idea and it getting removed is the worst thing that could happen to the mod.

>>2085927
I fucking loved the NPP. Being an electoral pact of 14 different parties was genius. You have Gus Hall and Harrington in the same coalition as Edward Reed Fields and Yockey

>>2085257
The old Omsk team didn't develop almost anything and they made this guy (who was making a South Africa slop submod) Head Dev after most of the team quit. In turn, he drafted a guy to code Omsk more or less from scratch which will obviously take a few weeks.
T. Have a friend in their dev discord (But they kind of admitted this themselves)

>>2085930
nta but what were the 14 parties? Always thought it was just the communists, progressives, nationalists and sovereignists.

>>2085954
Those are the caucuses (voting groups). All but the marxist caucus have multiple parties within.
>Progressive Caucus
Progressive Party (Demsocs and progressives)
Farmer-Labor Party (Minnesota left-wing populists)
Nonpartisan League (North Dakota agrarian lefties)
Liberal Party (New York social liberals)
>Nationalist Caucus
Nationalist Party (National conservaties and paleoconservatives)
States' Rights Party (Dixiecrats)
Lousiana Progressive Party (Huey Long followers)
Conservative Party (New York conservatives)
>Marxist Caucus
CPUSA (commies)
>Sovereigntist Caucus
All-American National Vanguard (Yockey's nazis)
National States' Rights Party (most extreme Dixiecrats, fascist piechart who believe in nationwide segregation and hate Jews, one of Yockey's cabinet members is from them)

>>2085958
That's 11 not 14, sorry I misremembered

>>2085954
>>2085958
>>2085959
It actually is 14, you forgot the other Marxist caucus members.
The Socialist Party USA (demsocs)
The Peace and Freedom Party (Californian socialist pacifists)
The Raza Unida Party (left-wing Mexican nationalists in Texas)

>>2085934
This is partly wrong. They had one guy who took over Omsk in December and threw out all the minigames. He went on an indefinite break when the map drama went down but appointed Five to take over to finish the job and deal with the drama that he was burnt out over. Five only took over last month and had to deal with Gopher and his ODF integration. All the quittings happened after he became the overall lead and dealt with Gopher's clique, not before.

So: guy that actually played the game takes over after Christmas sometime, realizes to his horror that they only mocked up minigames and cosmetic focus trees for three years, fixes most of it, taps out over the map coup, appoints the Dutchman and then the rework clique left. All the map/TNO integration drama delayed the mod by at least a month. But the guy that went on break said he'd make Redeemed Black Leauge content as a thank you to the community for sticking with them, so at least we're getting that out of it.

>>2085927
The NPP already existed in real life it was called the Reform Party.

>>2085974
Wouldn't be TNO without a major clusterfuck courtesy of realismfags that hate HOI4. At least the good guys seem to have won this time?

>>2085974
Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully they do push that out the door (even if I think Omsk is an incredibly uninteresting concept) but I don't have much hope.

>>2085964
Gotcha, thanks! I thought it was 14.

>>2085978
NPP PITCHFORK PAT PRESIDENTY NOW

>>2085958
I kind of wish we got a NSRP path. All-American fascism that hates Germany would be cool.

I hope every 2WRW dev has their keyboard explode like one of Hezbollah's pagers

>>2086070
Anon you fucking retard why would you do that in the first place?

>>2086070
Why did you say that lmao

>>2086070
>go on normalfag discord
>act like a niggertard
>get banned

Lol, did you really expect anything different?

>>2086070
Props for asking first atleast

>>2086070
I almost got banned for asking if they're going to add the 6 million germans song to the ost for Omsk lol

>>2086110
The what

>>2085858
>Dude what if this random white army general was that le heckin evilerino schizo blackhundredists (a movement that I know nothing about and think that they're just nazis because that's what communist propaganda told me)

>>2086118
the black hundreds were psychos, it's wild you're defending them

>>2086118
They may not have been Nazis but they were pretty fucking vile. They would hate the Nazis for being uppity party-men and bureaucrats instead of nobility and generals, not for the genocide.

>>2086121
>Being a Christian somehow makes you a psycho
Ok redditor

>>2086127
Name one thing that makes them "vile" or even morally worse than other movements during this era like liberals and socialists

>>2086132
>kept assassinating people, not just socialists but liberals and constitutional monarchists too
>opposed the existence of a parliament or indeed anything other than the tsar's absolute power
>hatred of jews, numerous pogroms
>hatred of muslims and non-slavic russian peoples in general
>hatred of various other "disloyal" ethnicities like poles and ukrainians
>thought the whites was not racist and monarchist enough
Why do you hate the liberals? They were Russia's best shot at becoming a free and fair nation.

Oh fuck the Black Hundreds guy from the general thread is going to spam this one too with his sperging.

>>2086137
So the kind of tards who would bet on Tsarism in its original form after it led Russia to ruination and collapse because it was an ass backwards shithole. Sounds like a good option if yo uwant Russia to collapse even more under its own absolutist retardation

>>2086137
>>kept assassinating people, not just socialists but liberals and constitutional monarchists too
Who were also assassinating people and tried to do a coup and destroy the country
>>opposed the existence of a parliament or indeed anything other than the tsar's absolute power
And?
>>hatred of jews, numerous pogroms
As a response to what jews were doing.. After Bolshevik carnage which lead to millions of people dead and churches blown up it's silly to claim that jews were dindu nuffin innocent victims
>>hatred of muslims and non-slavic russian peoples in general
Straight up lie. There were a lot of muslims and non-slavs in the movement. In fact black hundreds were much more toleran that liberals or commies because they wanted to defend muslim traditions instead of enforcing state atheism through executions.
>>hatred of various other "disloyal" ethnicities like poles and ukrainians
And? That's literally the only reaction anyone would have towards traitors who want you dead
>>thought the whites was not racist and monarchist enough
They weren't racist in any way and there's nothing wrong with monarchism.

>>2085858
good and tsar pilled

Oh by the way can someone with kiwifarms acess ask to the guy from kiwifarms who made, the "TNO kiwi version " make it possible to annex all Finland as a russian warlord ? , instead of conquering back your old lands

>>2086139
yeah pretty much

>>2086139
tbf from tnotl the communists literally led to russia being in its absolute worst state in history, literally worse off than under the tartar yoke, so there would probably be some minor support for a revival of the tsardom among russians

>>2086190
... Except somehow, Communism became more popular than IRL, despite completely and utterly failing in-universe. I wonder why? Surely it has nothing to do with the LARPs of the devs.

>>2085927
Oh that's getting removed too? Lmao
Can't wait for TNO to turn into OTL but with bigger Germany in a few years

>>2086190
>tartar yoke
not a real thing, read gumilyov

I may be misunderstanding this but the DV integration has to be a false flag. The leaked US presidents flowchart in this channel references the West African War as a Nixon 2nd term crises. If DV was getting integrated there'd be no WAW. Am I just coping here?

>>2083929
wait the germany update isn't even in development? what is this roadmap? didn't they release a bunch of teasers for it literally years ago and it isn't even in development?

>>2086243
NPP wasn't officially getting cut until yesterday, anon. And yet, the leakerchads were proven correct about everything.

Apparently devs have said the only update coming out in the rest 2025 short demo content for Chilean Antartica. Germany postponed indefinitely. Grain of salt but seems legit

>>2086332
any word on why the germany delay? some new mod drama as always?

>>2086341
Reworks + lack of dev skill is my guess.

>>2086341
the only thing the realism devs do is create design documents and imagine what the paths could be. actually writing and coding is too laborious so whenever they start actually working they get bored, scrap their idea and go back to the design phase because it's the only thing they like. it's just a politics discord for them to chat with their friends. finalising something is frowned upon because it restricts other devs fantasies

>>2086332
>>2086341
If you look at the roundtable leak from late December it says that they had no idea what would replace the GCW in terms of mechanics. It was probably what we heard about Omsk recently but on a larger scale. Lots of proposals, mockups and plans, but nothing of substance. And as bleak as Omsk still is, at least someone there intervened and shut down the nudev power fantasies. But who's even left to rein in Lamounier et al?

>>2086332
Apparently? that's a fucking obvious fact! when was the last time we got any germany toozer?

>>2086269
Yes but my point is that we've known about the NPP cut for years because the leaks reflect that but the leaks we now 100% know are true contradict a DV integration (Nixon still has the WAW). The only evidence I've seen for a DV integration is one discord message. I'd like to see some kind of dev doc leak before I trust that.

>>2086332
HELL YEAH CHILE TIME TO KICK SOME ARGIE ASS

I hope Mango gets in some controversy and he permanently disappears from the internet.

>>2086403
That leak predates the DV integration plans. We know this because Fong isn't in that flowchart, making it at least well over half a year old. There was also a roundtable message. Tbf it's far easier to fake that, but it did say that there would be a reveal in July (so August-September by TNO time /s). Plus, NO devs lie all the time about their work and would ban/warn people over things in the VP reveal up until this very week.

So sorry anon but you're most likely coping/roping.

>>2086237
I know it's not properly real but it's the easiest term to refer to both the period of mongol invasion and the mongol rule over the rus
>>2086481
tbf half the dev team are probably pedophiles, I'm just waiting for some ocd guy like br0th to document it

>>2086237
>read gumilyov
ok, what book

>br0th
Literally who

>>2086070
Really cool seeing people call you retarded for saying something that you could've said even 2 years ago without anyone giving a shit on the average hoi4 server.

I tried to play TNO and noticed that Moscow civil war was replaced by an anarchy tag that turns into R.K. Wtf is the point of this change? Performance? Didn't the most recent addition Ukraine had an interaction with Red Army in moscow that's now gutted?

>>2086864
Moskowien content is gutted completely, there won't be a civil war in the future

>>2086499
So, you fine with DV being integrated? because I'm fine with it too knowing how very outdated the south african contents are

So that's the "based tno redux" everyone has been waiting for after the "nudev gopher clique" was removed, huh?

>>2086948
It's their discord, we have to be realistic about what opinions the troons have about here. Thankfully their new dutch head seems to be cracking down on the openly pederast troons.

>>2086948
every single "based" redux was ran by fucking 13 yr old morons who ran it into the ground. They're normalfags, what did you expect? What matters much more is what they're going to deliver, and if they deliver, whatever, they can be cringe on their discord.

Right now I ain't seen shit yet, so no one knows if Omsk is actually coming out. Five hasn't delivered anything either, HV is still not out at all. Wait and see, I'd say but I'm thinking it's just all smoke and mirrors to keep the plebs waiting for something that is never coming.

the only based redux left is the KF one, because it's 1 guy doing it without a discord

>>2086864
They deleted everything because of the GCW being removed. Original dev, Scood, didn't want to delete it but once he was out of the picture Lamounier installed one of his cronies there and did a total rework that took away everything from it.

>>2086948
It's funny because that post is literally what the original dev wanted to do until all the narratives about Yazov going mad and killing millions of his own people every week were cut for being retarded with the subsequent Omsk devs condemning it for being preachy and dumb.

>>2086900
Yeah desu, DV getting integrated is fine. Actual colonialism is better than the SS running the whole continent for no reason.

>>2086879
>Rk with the largest native population, biggest landmass and smallest amount of german settlers
>somehow the less prone to civil war
How does this make any sense

>>2087097
since there is no longer a german civil war, none of the RKs just collapse.
the partisans/resistance will just be an overly complicated GUI where you assign soldiers to regions

>>2086499
ah if the leaks old that does fuck with my conclusion then. I'm gonna keep coping. There's no way they'd be that stupid right? Swapping out for DV would nuke like 6 conflicts . Even if DV's scenario was obviously superior (it's not it's boring as hell) that is just way to much fucking effort to integrate.

>>2087110
They they spent 2 years reworking the entire map so they could add 3 total years of content to antarctica.
They are genuinely retarded and I would absolutely not put it past them to do it

>>2087104
>the partisans/resistance will just be an overly complicated GUI where you assign soldiers to regions
Dear me, why didn't real life Germans think of that. Surely sending more soldiers in would have solved the partisan problem.

>>2087104
Great, I love playing shitty mini games on an ugly UI in my WAR game that was designed around WAR

Who's fun in the kiwifarms fork?

>>2087104
>since there is no longer a german civil war
Oh yeah I had forgotten that is getting removed as well. I'm wondering what iconic, fun part of the mod is getting gutted next, there's not much left. Perhaps the russian warlords?

>>2086900
No, it fucking sucks.

>>2087085
>Just give me normal countries from real life doing normal things
Fuck off, Corn.

>>2087104
>More broken GUIs
I fucking hate this.

>>2087110
They decided to rework the entire mod to accommodate the entire premise being replaced when the GCW was removed. They are that stupid.

What is this new Africa content replacing the South African War with? People have been saying "OTL shit" for months, but what does that even mean? What new is being added?

>>2087140
Anyone in russia but tabby if you haven't played him before
>>2087148
OTL congo and angolan crisises, everything else will be purely railroaded event chains iirc

>>2087154
So they take away two wars and add... two wars and a ton of events?

>>2087148
>>2087158
You'll have OTL wars that have no impact on anything and make no use of the setting at all. It's the most boring-ass, creatively bankrupt shit imaginable. If I wanted to play any of this I'd play Cold War Iron Curtain. It's not a 1:1 trade.

Why does Nu-TNO get mogged so hard in the GUI department?

>>2087204
Because most good coders and artists left years ago. There's a reason why Guangdong got full content relatively quickly while modern tags languish in dev hell with far less impressive graphics. Not to mention playability.

>>2087205
Is AI not competent enough to replace them, or do the devs have some anti-AI autism/not willing to pay for pro?

>>2087176
>that event
lmao what were they thinking..

>>2087222
AI can't replace work. It's a tool to speed it up, sure, but it can't do everything. These devs are lazy bastards in general, AI isn't gonna help them if they just don't want to work at all.

It baffles me so much looking at nu-dev, post-panzerina, post-pacifica TNO.
Despite fictional elements its still was somewhat realistic, Reich for example needed slave economy post war after speedrunning the Europe. It was actually one of the reasons why France and Britain allowed WW2 happen the way it did in real life. Germany was full on war economy before WW2, and Allies thought that allowing Germans to get whatever they want within reasonable limits would mediate the situation. The expectation was that Germany won't actually go through, and will have to back down because otherwise they would have had economic collapse due to beforementioned war economy in the times of peace. Germany has war economy, won't go through, either backs down or Germans will have to use Deutsche Marks as toilet paper and oven fuel again. But Germany did went through, and its economy during WW2 was barely held together only thanks to what they pillaged from conquered territories, including people. Logically in timeline where Germany won it will have to keep using forced labor the same way it did during the war itself.
But in nu-dev lore, Germany has plot armor, slaves are not slaves anymore but contractors and free labourers, no internal problems whatsoever and whatever external problem occurs, they just nuke it, literally, even if they are nuking their bread basket, it won't have any consequences for them. The only part of the world where crazy shit can happen is USA and only according to modern neo-liberal views, who replace actual historical facts that are still present in TNO with their hate fueled fanfictions and actual fiction with copypasted Wikipedia articles.

>Panzer trooned out, good developer
>Pacifica trooned out, decent developer
>Kateryna trooned out, subpar developer
We should be thankful we have Kateryna, because the next group of devs to come in will have the worst troon we've yet to see.

>>2087266
Kateryna isn't even really a dev, he's just a janny that's more known for his lawsuits than any actual development. The one proposal we know he's done is one that's just a Wikipedia scrapejob. I don't see how any other troons can come and be worse than that. Not only is he a troon but he's boring too. Literally can't get worse than that.

>>2087238
It's absolutely insane how the radlibs are whitewashing the Nazis. Remember Iron Grip? They didn't do it nearly as much.

>>2087266
I would daresay Pacifica was a better developer than Panzer, though I do like Panzer's work too. Perhaps we peaked with Pacifica and it's all downhill from here.

Kateryna if you're reading this: please just make fun content.

>>2087204
Didn't TFR poach some of TNO's old coders/artists?

Mango is basedraging at the democrats and he made a complete turn, now "Dixiecrat" will be a centrist liberal ideology to represent the evils of liberalism. Wallace will be a liberal in the piechart. Moderate republicans, less conservative and less authoritarian than Wallace, like Romney, will be considered conservative. Also, Lyndon Johnson will be considered part of the segregationist side of the democratic party and an arch-conservative. Same for Hurbert Humpfrey, a dev said "they wanted to show he is not as left-leaning as people think he is today". The only true progressive democrat will be... RFK. lol. Guy who wiretapped MLK btw

>>2087275
>please just make fun content
Managed expectations, please.

>>2087288
Tons of them.

>>2087323
>liberal = sucking nigger dick
Peak political theory bud. I guess youve never heard of Australia which has socialists and progressives championing for white supremacism. Also, Wallace being liberal has been known for a while, since his focus tree was leaked.

>>2087323
This is old. Everyone being listed as a liberal was a Mangoite big brain move to make sure that there are "no evil ideologies". But his entire thing will be moral outrage about how shitty and evil everyone except that leaked negress is so it'll just be complete misery.

>>2087369
This is true. But it's also boring as sin to effectively only use 2-3 ideologies in the pie chart outside of Nixon becoming a chudictator. But that's more of a problem with the entire thing just being Mango's own retarded political manifesto about his real life politics which is a more systemic issue with the tag and not something that using "Paternalist" for Wallace would improve in any way. It'll just be a bland soup of preaching, no thanks.

>>2087288
for sure, I think they poached some Guangdong artists

>>2087369
>Australia which has socialists and progressives championing for white supremacism
My favourite part of this was when the Australian section of the second international (the Australian socialist league) got pissed off at Marx's nephew for suggesting deporting non-whites was a bad thing. The ASL would then add mass deporting of all Asians and Islanders to their party manifesto. Later after Australia federated they would run under the line “To vote, then, for a
White Australia, is to vote for the Socialist Labor Party. This party alone stands for a
White Australia, owned and controlled by white workers".

>>2087448
Who could have guessed that importing millions of apes for cheap labour would be against the worker

>>2087158
What kind of shilling is this
>captcha: 2TRAN
>>2087448
Based.
>>2087467
NUH UH INTERNATIONAL WORKER SOLIDARITY MEANS YOU HAVE TO EMBRACE GLORIFIED SCAB LABOUR

>>2087323
>Lyndon Johnson will be considered part of the segregationist side of the democratic party and an arch-conservative.
except.. he's not?

>>2087684
This is vomit inducing and I wish ayrt wasn't full of it.

>>2087696
I dont know much about hamburgerland's politics, whats so horiffic about it?

>>2087720
Its just the fawning writing and the knowledge that everyone involved masturbate over their personal politics. Which I actually don't disagree with that much I just hate the way they go about it. And you just know based on things like the Nixon characterization document that it'll habe zero nuance and masturbate equally hard with their butthurt boner when doing anyone to the right of MLK. I don't like being blatantly pandered to and it's insulting.

Haven't played TNO since the Guangdong update, is it really as bad as these threads say?

>>2087848
Yes. No new countries at all have received their full 10 years of content. Almost always demos and submod integrations, no actual new, full content from the main devs themselves.

TNO: RA / KF edition update:

>>2087881
#Additions
-The Superpower Ranking System has been implemented. Major nations can now compete to be the hegemon of the world!
-A new resource: Prestige. Gain it from winning wars and completing impressive feats, but what can be gained can be lost as well. Higher prestige will be crucial for
climbing the ranks.
-Detente: Come to an agreement with your Superpower rivals for mutual benefit. They can be broken when convenient but be aware there is a cost to betrayal.
#Changes
-Various events, national focuses, and wars now grant or remove Prestige
-Italy will now form it's own faction after the collapse of the triumviate
-The Battle for Italy will now result in a detente rather than full alliance if Japan or America manage to win
#Bug Fixes
-AI Bormann should no longer spam espionage operations at russian tags
-Warlords should now be able to raid each other and take raid related decisions
-The interface, especially regarding air forces, has been cleaned up and should no longer cause crashes
#Notes
-For now I am going to be working on bug fixes, balance changes, and some tweaks to Heydrich before I move on to Speer and Bormann

>>2087881
>>2087883
The irony isn't lost on me that KF is saving TNO.
Even if Gopher's bullshit ends up killing 2WRW, at least we'll have that mod. Hardly impossible to think that the 2WRW content will be integrated there at this rate if the retards from the nudev clique actually get what they want and Omsk is broken on release.

>>2087881
I wish Kiwi-TNO would integrate the Colombian civil war, Paraguay (before the new update), and Guangdong.

>>2087965
This, and the 2WRW content if they implode because of the realism fag coup and it's consequences.

>>2087883
Does prestige/ranks do anything yet or is it just a dick measuring content

"Aaaaawww this content is outdated delete everthing " , stupid fucking discord jannie mentality, i dont know how a content in a hoi4 mod can be fucking outdated , i would understand if it was somehow broken and or there was bugs in content and needed a fix or they were trying add more content, but not less delete tno devniggers never learn

>>2087883
Do you have a link to the kiwi page? (Not the steam version)

>>2085927
the NPP tickets should be split between a leftwing and right wing populist
what made the real Reform party so fun was that it was the answer to the question "what if we put all the third parties together"

>>2088269
The git?
https://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA

You know, I'm just about ready to accept that TNO is a dead mod and move on with my life. There's never been a more thorough destruction of a mod and a community before, I think. Everything destroyed or replaced, nothing of the original mod remains. They even fostered a small sub community within HOI4 that obsessively fight any attempt to bring actual gameplay onto the agenda and want everything to be like Mexico. Even 2WRW got wrecked by that. You'd think a project about WW3 would be immune to that but nope, several leads turned out to not even play the game and when outed as total TNO "realism" simps they tried to fuck over the mod on the way out.

The mod once brought me back to HOI4 and made me love it again. Now its just a lifeless vessel for delivering excerpts from Wikipedia articles. And all because a clique of retards that don't like the game were allowed to take over it.

Does the kiwi farms version have post Taboritsky content integrated?

>>2088393
If you mean After Midnight then yes, I think so. It's the last version before TT with Atlantropa as a base.

>>2088396
>Literally more content than most new tags in the main mod
>A place more relevant than Mexico and Antarctica

>>2088398
I hate nuTNO as much as the next guy but why the fuck would you play as Bohemia that gets inevitably annexed at the start of the game

>>2088396
play russia

>>2088396
This is Mexico but with the bloat focues, bloated GUIs and in actually relevant part of the world. Also when I hear skeleton this is what I imagine. Not that Fiji garbage.

>>2088406
With the bloat cut I mean.

>>2088400
Dev said he's going to make it so germany can actually fuck up and lose the entire east after the civil war

>>2079363
>>2079365
Imagine if the Kiwicut readded the pre-release kinoes like the Farouk's wild ride

>>2088400
I don't. I'm simply saying that it's a favorable comparison.

>>2088443
Consequences for my actions? In my TNO mod?

>>2088443
>the liberal Ukraine-Polish-Baltic Axis to curbstop Germany
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

>>2088463
As a former TNO and 2WRW dev it in infuriates me that some random has achieved more in months by just going back to basics than TNO has since 2022. And 2WRW too when the retards in charge wanted to chase TNO and wasted YEARS on NOTHING. Then one guy there did more in a few months by going back to basics than the past leads until the map fiasco courtesy of... People trying to be like TNO! What else?

TNO and it's style of development has been a disaster for HOI4 modding and I never want to touch it again. People want fun gameplay not some self proclaimed geniuses idea of a perfect narrative.

>>2088469
Imagine their UltraNats imposing an even more extreme reign upon the Germans. Now that's a fun timeline.

>>2088469
>>2088475
>Teutons fucking around and finding out when the UPA enacts the de-germanization edict

>>2081553
Japan reverting back to a parliamentary democracy after the war is plausible. Konoe did try to fully reorganize the state along totalitarian lines, but he did so mostly out of necessity as he believed Japan wouldn't be able to win the war without fully mobilising the country and was usually rebutted by the old political elite, who allowed Taisei to do surface level consolidation of politics and civil society, but largely kept their position and would likely lobby the emperor to dissolve it once the China crisis was over.

It is however retarded that most of the outcomes for Japan are just some form of liberal democracy, when all the issues Japanese politics had prior to the war would just increase tenfold, the civilian government would have little control over the empire and chances that any PM would be able to reform the empire into something with a long term future, without being deposed or just assassinated are pretty slim.

>>2088504
Exactly. Just another way of having an Axis victory world default to being calmer and more liberal than our own in many instances.

>>2088469
>he thinks it is the liberals and moderates that are gonna take over after that German occupation

>>2088447
Was the balkan crisis that old event where everyone would gang up on hungary or is that something Else?

>>2087684
Why would you pick Richard Russell of all people to be the conservative arch segregationist? He was pretty much the most left wing, liberal, establishment-cooperative of all the southern democrats. He was a key ally of Roosevelt against the Conservative Coalition. He was a segregationist, sure, he campaigned in favour of segregation, but he was hardly a leader of that movement. His support for segregation wasn't his defining political position like with say Thurmond or Byrd (Virginia, not WV).

>>2087881
>debug key: ZZZ

>>2088951
>Mango is a retard that just makes up random shit about politicians he doesn't like
First time for everything, huh?

We're on levels of dead mod that shouldn't even be possible.

>>2088443
>>2088403
>>2088443
This requires too much talent and manpower which I don't see. It's better to focus on one nation than give 20 half assed unimportant focus trees.
>Dev said he's going to make it so germany can actually fuck up and lose the entire east after the civil war
In canon they nuked themselves and DSR could take over so that's like 8 endings that every minor needs to have a response for

>>2089016
>Noooo you need everyone to have 5000 responses to every eventuality
>Therefore we MUST railroad everything
Nigger we went the better part of a decade before retards invented this as a requirement. None of the major mods like KR need everyone to have a hundred unique responses to every ACW outcome etc. Pretty sure you're just mentioning the DSR extreme edge case to poison the well too since the dev has already said he's not into fail states, ie actually giving Heydrich content instead of just dying.

>>2089018
>None of the major mods like KR need everyone to have a hundred unique responses to every ACW outcome etc
Because they're not as narrative heavy as TNO. I'm comparing it to TNO and not any other major slop because it's supposed to be a TNO and not KR
>has already said he's not into fail states, ie actually giving Heydrich content instead of just dying.
Isn't that what TNOtrannies are planning to do too? What's the point of doing any redux if all you do is play god instead of following the wishes and vision of Panzer who made this mod great in the first place. You're not smarter nor more talented than him so any changes you make will cause things to be worse.

>>2089021
>What's the point of doing any redux if all you do is play god instead of following the wishes and vision of Panzer
... that was the point of redux mods from day 1?

>>2089044
>... that was the point of redux mods from day 1?
Not really. Every redux mod I know of collapsed due to being too overambitious, being led by donkeys and having their vision. The 4chan redux had some shit about China and KMT that felt out of place. The other was a Yugra submod which was forgotten and the kiwifarm guy wants to remove Italy's ability to join factions for muh realism. My advice is to keep eyes on the prize and put all effort into one country like Burgundy and Ostland and give people what they need instead of 10 generic icon focuses for Algeria or Spain

>>2089064
He wants to keep Italy independent not for realism but so they can act as a rising superpower instead of being a junior partner 2/3 of the time.

>>2089075
Why not make that a choice instead of preventing OFNmaxxing or Spreremaxxing

>>2089021
>Weh weh you have to handicap yourself on purpose and do things in the most retarded way possible
>You absolutely must do everything Panzer said (except when it's to rework everything into a WikiScrape)
>You should absolutely NOT learn any lessons from the popularity of Russian tags and always write a book about centrist politics in the third world
Pure devnigger mentality, fuck off.

>>2088951
>but he was hardly a leader of that movement.
He literally wrote the southern declaration against reintegration what the fuck are you talking about LOL

>>2089149
I think the point ayrt is trying to make is that he was still a New Deal Democrat and that his track record is more nuanced than his co-author or indeed many of the people in Congress that supported this move. Therefore, he's not the spitting image of the irredeemable racist Mango is trying to paint him out as but I realize that nuance or the existence of any other morality other than a pure black/white one isn't the goal of Vote Pig.

>>2089159
>he was still a New Deal Democrat
I mean so was Thurmond. His support of new deal policies does not make him any less than the leader of anti segregationist action in the senate. It can be said that his description lacks nuance without describing him as the most left wing southern democrat which is an insane statement

>>2089149
nobody who uses "LOL" in allcaps is ever worth trusting or talking to

>>2089172
It's absolutely not the case, please stop defending Mango's hyperbolic nonsense. These are the same people that think Huey Long is a nazi.

>>2089016
Retard, no country in the mod reacted to german exploding into a hundred warlord states or to Germany going on the war path and invading russia and Italy.
You don't need a billion ai paths for something that is player only

>>2089192
nayrt but you don't even need it for player only stuff. That's just an excuse they use so that they don't have to do things they dislike personally. Like how the war between Argentina and Brazil isn't canon or the nuking of Ukraine. A saner mod would have some events or a small split in the focus tree accounting for things but if you point out that Germany could just deal with food inflation for a bit they go "no if something doesn't happen the EXACT way I imagined it the world ends and everyone needs new focus trees".

Don't fall for it. It's just another of their bullshit lies.

>>2089137
It's clear that you're poisoning the well by accussing anyone of you don't like to a be a dev and arguing with strawmans so I won't engage you
>>2089192
>Retard, no country in the mod reacted to german exploding into a hundred warlord states or to Germany going on the war path and invading russia and Italy
I recall Britain had a path and Russia was supposed to have all-russian congress path. The fact that no one reacts to this massive world changing effect is something that should be addressed and would be a priority of anyone aiming to improve TNO.

>>2089237
>Uses the exact same arguments that the devs do
>"hdu compare me to the people I defend"
Surrender accepted.

>>2089185
What is absolutely not the case?

>>2089174
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOO>LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>2089208
I meant that their player only because the interactions that I described could only really be done by a player. Goering will always implode trying to capture Switzerland and heydrich just won't win the civil war so having ai paths for reacting to it is irrelevant.
>>2089237
Britain had nothing and russia would all just peace out and join a faction to prevent a fucked up peace deal, they didn't unify into a single country with new content or anything like that

>>2089559
>they didn't unify into a single country with new content or anything like that
They literally did. There was a tag in the game files with content and mechanics written for them. While I agree that Heydrich is too bizarre case since if AI wins he just nukes the world but having Goering content sounds like an easy way to add "fun" to any country. You could make it so that Goering is buffed into conquering all AI's until he declares on the player but what I do know I'm just a nuTNO shill

>>2089021
damn imagine calling other major mods Like:eaw, krx, kr, owb and tfr slop mods , your opinion is already descarted , fucking faggot

>>2089759
is the guy you're replying to a dev or dev cocksucker? call it

>tno is trying to become a visual novel but ends up being shitty
>somehow ends up being btfo by this game and probably its sequel
hmm

>>2090257
ngl I'd rather plan the 1991 version than what the devniggers shit out.

Who would guess that spending 2 years and the effort of a large part of your dev team changing the entire map just to add Antarctica content that no one played would be a bad idea?

>Chinese shitpost from god-knows when long predicted the current state of TNO with perfect accuracy
https://files.catbox.moe/vrvbvi.mp4

>>2090502
About the only thing it succeeded in doing was splitting the community since lots of people absolutely hate it. But since it's official, all submods are forced to adapt or die. Real dick move against the whole playerbase. And all just to integrate an Antarctica demo that was already on the Workshop for years. Antarctica!

Yes, this may actually have been a backfire, given that it was one of the reasons that caused 2wrw to split up, for example. The tendency is for TNO to eventually decrease in players due to the lack of updates and new, more interesting mods.

>>2090568
If I actually thought that the devs had any ability to plan ahead making a map that's deliberately awful and impossible to move units on was a way to make sure that no mod could ever pop up and add actual gameplay. But I think they're just out of touch with the people that actually play HOI4. Sure people who just like to look at screenshots may be dazzled but why would anyone with an interest in HOI4 want to bother with it? It's crazy.

>>2090588
TNO isn’t for people who like HOI4. Look on their discord, half the users there will openly admit they hate the game and want as few new wars as possible.

>>2090625
That's the most ass backwards retarded shit ever.

Holy shit, this looks like it was made by an autistic person with a hyper-focus on cities in England. Why the fuck would you make so many tiles and cities like that?

>>2091047
It's not just Britain. They put victory points in nearly all provinces. I guess in lieu of having any gameplay you might as well try to learn geography while watching paint dry in your map painting game without map painting.

It's so retarded that they spend ridiculous amounts of time on such useless things that only serve to worsen performance rather than actually developing content for the countries. Damn, France is still a skeleton.

If they had spent 1/5 of the time they spent developing useless minigames and adding cosmetics, they would have already released content from Italy, France, Manchuria, Turkey, and so on. It's incredible how stupid they are, thinking they are revolutionizing the game when in reality they are just ridiculed by the community for the lack of content and having the most retarded devs lol.

>>2091101
>If they just spent time deving they'd finish shit
False! They would not. We know that things constantly get reworked from scratch over politics left and right and that they're happy to delete years of progress at the drop of a hat. Almost always someone else's work that a lead doesn't care about but a deletion is still a deletion. You'd have to get rid of the entire leadership clique and the way they act for things to change. I really wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Yes, I know. TNO leadership is the biggest problem. It's sad to think that the mod probably has the most potential in HOI4, given that immediately after its release it became one of the biggest memes in the community and one of the most played. However, the Mango/Lamousier/Corn clique and other retards prevent any development by constantly redoing everything from scratch and trying to add their idiotic ideas to the countries, like Mango removing Romney because he's a retarded Democrat who doesn't just want the game to be Republicans = le bad and progressives = le god. In the end, this bunch of parasites will kill TNO, then who knows, maybe in years, when the mod dies and they disappear, good people will remake it. But for now you can expect absolute no releases for now and the updates they release being cut in half and being overall boring

>>2091168
Another problem with them is that their clique has riddled the community with people that think like them. Most people that play HOI4 hate the ODF map but 2WRW still had a Czar moment because their lead loved the new map and Antarctica. It's very likely that we'll keep getting people that will try to sabotage anything with gameplay because all they care about is screenshots of GUIs and reading about their personal politics.

>>2090588
If you really want to make a mod about the yookay then just play A Very British Civil War

>>2089759
Compared to OG TNO they were all slop. Since you are a kid you don't remember how 2015 mods looked before TNO revolutionized the genre. Almost all mods you mentioned started copying TNO and integrating it's tropes and mechanics which should be a proof and admission of superiority no matter how much tfr devs mald and pretend otherwise.

>>2091441
>>2089759
This is precisely is (one of many) reasons why Kalterkrieg been forgotten so quickly, it's what happens when you make a "Pre-TNO" major conversion mod on the modern-day. That mod is a 2017 relic where leaders are non-characters without thoughts or personality, purely cosmetic guys that make you go down a red focus tree or a blue focus tree. It's just bland. TNO 100% started the trend of having the leaders being actual people that react to events to events accordingly, like Goldwater refusing to entertain Bormann's detente .

It's clear that no one here ever played Kalterkrieg beyond maybe opening up for ten minutes, since it sure as shit was not a "2017" mod. If you want to see how mods looked back then go back to Kaiser's Emperor of the World, where most trees were just switch ideology and then conquer this or conquer that.

Kalterkrieg was heavily narrative for Russia, for example, with the entirety of their content hinging around Savinkov's paranoia and narrative, often dialogue or first person, events.
Every finished content wise nation had other narrative bits, scripted things and at least more if not more gui. Not to mention more universal guis like the Entente council or the League of Nations thing. Kalterkrieg's problem was that it was in dev hell for 6 years and was pushed outta the door unfinished and no one will work on it again.

As for focus on characters and narratives as such it's not something tno invented because everyone was I guess so retarded back then they couldn't figure it out. Kaiser did it first with Red World, prime example being Bernie's whole arc there. That thing is also the first ever "trap path", tho in function it's more a surprise path as he turns nazbol, before the term came to mean "devs hate you and want you to fail and get no content anymore"

As a last thing to the slop guy above. You are a retarded nigger og-wanna be that can't get basic shit right like hoi4 releasing in mid 2016. "2015 mods" my ass

>>2091469
Kalterkrieg combines worst elements of early modding (low production value, lackluster writing, generic icons, etc) with the newest trends of political faggotry and commitment to no happenings because the purpose of the mod is not to be played but to be discussed in discord servers and serve as a commentary on modern day issues (see Russia).
>>2091482
>Hurr durr don't you remember that it wasn't 2015 it was 2016 hurr durr i'm so smart
What a retarded non-statement.

>>2091500
No you're just a faggot running defense for old tno because you are incapable of looking at anything without some schizophrenic lense of "hur dur no mod was good other than tno and tno invented everything" while also seething at "hur dur modern politics not meant to be played" where tno was always that. Even back in panzer era according to surveys they did like 90% of their subreddit didn't even have the game

>>2091508
Because I'm not a faggot who steals everything from TNO while also shitting on TNO like tftrannies do. I remember everyone losing their minds when first TNO demo was released. I was hoping that it would nudge people into doing creative things with hoi4 engine like fallout style ending styles and minigames and shit but it turns out everyone was fucking worthless and Panzer was the only person who had the will and imagination to create things while others are there to eat the scraps.
>Even back in panzer era according to surveys they did like 90% of their subreddit didn't even have the game
You think that's an own but it's actually because TNO became so popular it overshadowed Hoi4 itself and seeped into many circles who don't play hoi4. And it's also not important because I was talking primarily about the INTENT that went into creating the mod. One was driven by love and passion while other was driven by hate and spite.

>retard wannabe oldfag appears
>gets all dates wrong and pretends everything had a generic focus tree until TNO invented storytelling
This is some of the most embarrassing shit I've ever seen.

>>2091522
I agree with you anon. I noticed and realized the same things. I was there from the beginning

>>2091441
I dont agree with this however. The other mods were decent.

>Blah blah blah all mods steal from TNO otherwise they're le slop
Sure wish modern TNO would steal from old TNO then and be more than a semi-interactive world atlas with popups about historical events every now and then.

Well you see TNO should be used in schools or whatever current devs would autofelate over

>>2091572
>An entire generation of children being brought up thinking that Hitler freed the slaves
I never expected that Lam's long con would be this based.

Any update on Omsk?

>>2091645
Releasing sometime this month apparently. It was delayed because they're still salvaging things after their last overall lead, Gopher, tried to force them to use the new map before splitting off to a copecord of his own.

>>2091469
The game's premise is already boring in itself, and that's one of the biggest complaints I've seen. The game is basically a reactionary monarchy versus a somewhat liberal monarchy. Besides the fact that nothing ever happens, what was supposed to be an early Cold War mod isn't even an action mod, given that you, playing as Reichspackt, most of the time don't even go to war with the Entente and vice versa, nor is it a Cold War mod, since the mod doesn't captivate you and has a somewhat boring lore.
The reason TNO has managed to be one of the few Cold War mods is because it has interesting events and proxies that keep you busy, in addition to having action and combat for the Russian/Chinese warlords. I played a game with Germany and the Union of America, and the mod was just kind of boring, it can't decide if it's going to be a war mod or if it's going to be a proxy/narrative conflict mod.

In the end, I think the mod is unlikely to receive more content, since since its release it has only received a few patches and version changes, and it's been a year since its release. It will probably just end up dying and becoming one of those mods that goes 5 years without an update.

>>2091740
>The reason TNO has managed to be one of the few Cold War mods is because it has interesting events and proxies that keep you busy
All of which is being deleted. Even playing field with KK soon.

>>2091101
>Thinking the want to release a mod
lol lmao. They enjoy modding far more than actually playing the game.

>>2091992
>Thinking the
fuck i am retarded

>>2091992
I've actually seen that from a former friend on the team. He told me that what he worked on was reworked but he didn't care. He felt it was fun to just have an excuse to read about this country he was working on. He was just a rank and file guy but what if that mentality goes higher up the chain? It'd explain why some of them spend years achieving nothing without caring.

But I bet more of them just do it out of things like ego or sunken cost etc.

Btw the guys of TFO just announced the content of Brazil+Germany isnt releasing on their demo, so only USA and Manchuria will have content lol. Atp just kill that mod bro, like who tf will download a mod with content for 2 nations

>>2092253
Fuck, not even TFR was this bad about snubbing content on release.

>>2092253
I think we all knew this given the state of TNO. TFO was always a shell company after all.

>>2092261
What are you talking about? The core tags were all there. They cut corners in terms of loc for a bunch of them and NSM in particular was a disaster, but it was hardly just a demo. TFO is releasing with what, two partial routes and fucking nothing for the most popular places in TNO itself? Great priorities, Weld. At least Panzer knew that you needed a spectacle to reel people in.

>>2092253
What will either of them even do? USA and Manchuria I mean.

>>2092356
For what i've seen, both will only have partial content. USA will be electing its sucessor((which will definitely be literally republicans/reagan=le bad, democrats/ted kennedy=le god). Manchuria will be a kind of buffer for Japan? Like, since no one wanted to work in Japan, they had to improvise, so Manchuria will send volunteers to the allies in the sphere. Otherwise, I don't know much about what they do.

Also the demo will be boring asf, as they said 2WRW+3rd Sino-Japanese war will only happen in the late 80's, meaning first demo wont have any significant conflict(TNO devs again not developing wars that would make the mod interesting to develop some card game for manchuria)

>>2092369
That's insane.
First TNO demo was bad but it had something unique and let you play as people like Dirlewanger and Lysenko while you could watch Germany implode in the distance and the second demo came out swinging with the South African War. Literally who will play this? It's like releasing Antarctica by itself and not having the install base of Russia warlord enjoyers to build on.

>>2092374
Yeah like, if they could atleast add one major war to the mod, that shit would get ultra-hyped, cus everyone would like to do a run with russia or germany and play the 2WRW. But apparently they want to release it as fast as they can so they cut a lot of things, dunno if they dont want mod to die or something.