Thread 2097859

Eranshar is the best tag

>>2097859 (OP)
Isn't that just worse Persia?

>>2097859 (OP)
>Iran maintaining a Syrian proxy

>>2097962
It's better persia if you keep the persian ideas and get the zoroastrian monument for +10% discipline your armies become unbeatable.

>play ante bellum Jerusalem
>Trying to beat Nizzards before 1455, incredibly difficult because Venice refuses to ship troops to help, same with Cyprus and the Knights
>Switch CBs since they don't react with Holy war
>They naval invade and instantly get stackwiped until they run out of troops
Player AI allies are beyond retarded, meanwhile enemy AI allies will march half-way across the world to death war you.

>>2098100
>ante bellum Jerusalem
That one is rough, when I did it years ago the only way to win was to mercspam and try to win the war before going bankrupt, don't bother with allies.

>that ottomans

500 years and the "western" powers never once crusaded against that disgusting atrocity

>>2097859 (OP)
>That Genoa
>That Ferrara

There are wackier stuff happening in the map compared to Greater Persia

my last run

Sometimes this game is so fucking retarded

>>2098119
umm they did actually, you're just too illiterate to know

1807 , France ~250 warscore, delhi ~350 warscore, wc possible? (France is Spain pu r.n in a war against spain - ming alliance could annex spain & leaves 1 war for ming )

>>2097859 (OP)
map mod?

It's so funny when you become an Eranshahr superpower you can just steal HRE minors by using that diplo zoroastrian conversion and then diplo vassalizing
Like these shitty little german princes recognize that they might as well abandon their faith and join the winning side while they can

>>2097962
It's Persia with a decolonized name

>>2098100
Enemy French AI made me so mad the other day. I was playing as Sweden and got called into a meaningless war against them by Austria, they were outnumbered something like 4 to 1. I was already planning a war against Muscovy and figured Austria and friends wouldn't even need my help so I declared and got to sieging Muscovy. Guess who sent a 26,000 strong stack across the entirety of Europe to Moscow to break my siege while their entire country was being overrun? They weren't even allied or friendly with Muscovy!

>>2098938
Did you win?

>>2098938
>calling allies in a show superiority war
Lol, the game is clearly still smarter than you

>>2099360
Never understood that. Persia makes you think of cats and rugs. Iran makes you think of crazy Islamists and bombs

>>2100211
It's the most succesful endonym propagation campaign but it does make their modern identity feel very disconected with their ancient identity, at least to a foreigner. Aside from that you are feeling that way probably due to psyops because Iran is one of the few countries that still in opposition to the USA.

>>2100317
>Iran is one of the few countries that still in opposition to Israel

>>2100211
>cats and rugs
gay
>crazy islamists and bombs
inshallah it is based

It's time to bid farewell to Éire and look for a new home, one free from the Engl*sh menace.

Three years before I could have abdicated.

I got a native American explorer waifu.

>>2100211
That’s because you think of “Iran” as a modern thing, when in reality they were calling themselves that before westerners decided to call them “Persia”. It’s the indigenous name and present in ancient Zoroastrian texts.

>>2103098
It will always be Persia, just like it will always be Kiev.

>>2103120
Persia is a region IN Iran.

>>2097859 (OP)
Based anon, bless you
>>2097962
Aren't you a fag ?

>>2100211
How many Iranians have blown up your stupid towers or your fat people ? ah right that was your saudi butt buddies and their inbred cousins from Jewrusalem or some shit but you're never gonna bitch about that are you ? hmmm.

>>2103216
Persia=Iran
otherwise you should also stop calling "Deutschland" Germany

>>2103098
Americans are mentored by TV, not education or books, they certainly don't like studying themselves either but at the very least they should have known that it was Reza Shah who changed Iran's name back to its pre anglo-french colonial designation, not the mullahs, if it was up to fucking mullahs they would rename us to some arabian province or some shit

>>2103231
>otherwise you should also stop calling "Deutschland" Germany
Go make that standard and we'll talk.

>>2103098
>>2103231
I don't get why exonyms are such a big deal. Every culture/language uses them. Do you really think every other nation calls the USA and Europe that which we call ourselves? Or is it just the kind of thing that's bad when white people do it, so we need to respect whatever durka durkas call themselves while they can call us whatever they want? By the way, westerners have been calling Iranians "Persians" for thousands of years since the time of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It's not a heckin' racist colonial invention. Just like how Latin-descended languages use "Teuton" and "German" to refer to Germans for thousands of years, and not Deutsch. Lots of cultures across Asia refer to all West Europeans and their colonial descendants as some variant of "Farang" which comes from "Frank" as in the Frankish Empire/Tribe even though the Franks haven't existed for nearly a thousand years and aren't relevant to modern European history.
I don't think the chinks care that we call them China instead of Zhongguo, nor do the japs care that we call the Japan instead of Nippon. For some reason it's only brownoids like turks and persians and indians that get mad when you don't call their countries Turkiye or Iran or Bharat.

>>2103247
It's a problem when they start claiming that the native name of your country is fake because of their own political bias, then it starts to feel like namecalling someone .

>>2103233
Europeans will post this shit and then be terrified of using air conditioning because the world will explode or something

>>2103247
>For some reason it's only brownoids like turks and persians and indians that get mad when you don't call their countries Turkiye or Iran or Bharat.
Literally nobody does this
t.urk

>>2103247
I thought it was just that people wanted original names because they find interesting that Warsaw is not Warsaw in Poland and locals call it poopandpeenetzky or whatever. I kinda liked the idea.

>>2103247
>more culture war obsession
It's not that complex. They call themselves "Iran", so they made that their country's official name.
There.
Simple.

>>2097859 (OP)
What nation did you start with?

>>2103098
>Sir Hughe Knatchbull-Hugessen, the British Minister in Tehran, wrote disdainfully in 1934 that “we have just received an absurd note” from the Iranian government requesting the use of “Iranian” instead of “Persian.” He blamed Herodotus for the original naming error and sardonically added that the request seemed to come from a desire to disown the Arab elements of the country’s history.
They were the first country to try and get Westerners to follow the naming convention that I know of though. The view at the time was they were trying to distance themselves from the Western view of the decadent Persian enemy of the West who burnt Athens.

Eransahr means land of the Aryans so I think it’s neat. Persia has more classical gravitas so it’s also neat. Basically all of you are gay

Been grinding out some achievements before EU5, had a lot of fun getting these. I've never played Oirat before and haven't played a horde at all for multiple patches. I see how they can conquer the world, they're so OP. If I ever do try and grind a world conquest I think they're my best chance. Them or the Mughals.

Sorry for the fucking noob question but I read countless guides before asking here. What is the best way to manage my estates?

I know obviously to take the 1+ mana privileges and to seize land when you can but I should be granting privileges just to get the loyalty equilibrium to above 50%? Should I worry about influence early game (other than not to let it go over 100%). Should be I calling the diet and doing the side quests when possible?

>>2103120
Persia is a state within Iran you retarded Amerimutt, that KKKolonizers gayreeks called all of Iran Persia just shows their arrogance and disregard for the Iranian people

In fact at the start of the game the Timurid vassal Fars is the actual Persia

Muslim Mongols WON

>>2105988
Sell and seize on cooldown, influence is meaningless if you have high loyalty and in fact some privilege bonuses scale with influence so you want it to be high (it actually scales past 100%), usually you want to give out as many privileges as possible, I usually like to leave one privilege slot open just in case.
The only time you should worry about influence is if you want to revoke a privilege (this is also the only time you should not be using call diet on cooldown), but if you take Espionage you get a government reform for free privilege revokes

>>2105988
Everyone has their own playstyle when it comes to the states, I like to call diet often so I do worry about influence not being too high since the estate disasters are quite nasty and I never give that land privilege thingy (the one that pops up whenever you have low crownland) but that's just me, honestly you should take your time to carefully read each privilege and weight their pros and cons, no way around it; watch LPs on youtube so you know what more experienced people do with the states, not for copy exactly what they do, just to have an idea. Zlewikk, Redhawk, florryworry if streams are your thing,

>>2106078
It's impossible to get a estate disaster unless you're actively trying. It can't even fire while you're at war, it's a joke.

>>2106126
>play a merchant republic
>merchants have higher starting influence
>give one too many privileges
>mess around with diets in the wrong way
>get jewed

>>2105997
Damn, what a blob

Hungary
>Not taken by Austria
>Not raped by Ottos
>Not even taken by Poland
>PU'd by fucking Russia
I wanted to take the Dalmatian coast, bur now it seems I'll have to let the Russian horde break against my alpine wall
>t. Protestant Milan

Austrian Ideas? Or Austro-Hungarian Ideas if you form Austria-Hungary?
Or is there even a reason to form Austria-Hungary?

>>2106516
>is there even a reason to form Austria-Hungary?
Never. Expel the magyars from Europe. Even better: form Germany with the Austrian mission tree

>>2106524
>form Germany with the Austrian mission tree
Tempting. But I'd rather have the HRE vassal swarm.

>>2106013
>but if you take Espionage you get a government reform for free privilege revokes

I really need to look at idea groups besides Admin/Diplo/Influence/Quantity/Quality once in a while.

>>2098119
They did, numerous times and fucking got BTFO'd until the 1700's

I thought I'd give Aztecs a go after never playing primitives before and since high American blood sacrificing Mexicans sounded good. But fuck me this is a miserable early game.

>>2106647
Inca people are real fun imo. Constant conquering until you form Inca, get high american tech and then fuck the europeans.

>>2106539
Infrastructure, trade (sometimes), mercenary

>>2106647
It's really not so bad at the start, though I hate how rng dealing with the Euros can be. Always sucks when Spain sends their entire army to kill your ass.

>>2106742
If you've already reformed and become high american tech you'll flatten spains entire army anyway.

>>2106647
Go Inca instead, their experience are super chill from the get go

>>2106539
But these are the meta ideas (except if you're Timurids and going cav only, then you take aristo and horde ideas), I feel like nerfing myself if I don't take them

>>2106946
Espionage’s nice for the free revoke, AE reduction, and siege buffs. Decent utility pick that also makes estates way less of a pain to deal with. I usually skip most mil groups aside from Offensive, the AI is just that easy to beat after thousands of hours playing this game.

>>2106972
Free revoke?

>>2106539
Offensive is the best military idea by far

>>2100211
American moment.

>offensive
Seiges win wars, this is by far the best military idea
>aristocrac
Good if your stacking combat ability
>espionage
siege ability, really shines playing someone who doesn't get claims through mission trees
>innovative
+1 leader siege with offensive and 15% combat ability with quality
>humanist
If your playing sunni and don't want rebels
>religious
If your playing Shia or Orthodox
>trade
The best moneymaking idea group

>>2106539
Really in single player take whatever you want it doesn't even matter

>>2106647
My dream campaign I’ve always wanted to do for some rp reason is be any american native, build a large empire in my region, conquer China and claim tbe mandate, convert and become chinese, then turn my home region chinese

>>2107684
>>trade
A meme when there's TCs around

>>2107684
I'm assuming if you are playing colonial you need exploration + expansion before going for the meta picks

>>2107710
Depends on the colonial. If you do Castile into Spain for instance, you don't even need exploration.
PU Portugal and let him colonize for you, or take expansion and steal maps from everyone else to uncover FoW.

Do you guys like the third odyssey mod

First time ive seen the AI go this route. Cant wait to see how the AI bungles it.

>>2108797
I will always believe the AI is hard coded to be cowards in regards to the ottomans no matter how much they're winning a war against them or outnumber them.

After years of sailing the high seas I bought
Europa Universalis IV: Starter Edition on sale and oh god what the hell Paradox is doing.
Half of the buttons is missing.
There are bonuses for confucian harmonization in the base game with no harmonization mechanics available without the DLC.
And Crisis of the Ming dynasty is absolute ass, Shun got released after occupying only two provinces just because.
I can't even maintain high mandate because there's no mandate, there's only legitimacy. I overlooked that my heir has a weak claim and got heavily debuffed, feels almost like I'm playing a horde at this point.
I was going for Copium Wars cheevo, but now I'm considering rage quitting just because I got used to a much better version of the game.

>>2108870
Can't imagine a valid reason why would you decide to buy the game now of all times instead of waiting for the humble bundle sale or just paying the subscription

>>2108945
I bought it on sale a while ago, I wasn't in a mood to play since then.
It was 5 EUR so why not.

Lol, it's even worse than I thought.
See this core?
No, I can't request it back, I have to aggressively conquer it.

>>2108988
>5 EUR so why not
Ah, fair.

>>2108991
How badly did you screw up that Shun spawned when you are Ming?

not sure what to do here, going for third way+unlikely candidate
morocco is an ally, tripoli is a vassal and Im supporting aragonese independence
I'd like to conquer and reform tunis but they're allied to the ottomemes

>>2110452
Ditch the moors and eat them, same for granada.
Ditch aragon, you have no business in Iberia yet, that should give you a nice base to deal with the ottos, also, pay attention when they fight with the memelukes since you might be able to attack tunis that moment.

>>2110460
Also, next time focus in taking the trade centers from tunis.

>>2106649
>>2106742
>>2106944
I kind of walk it back a bit now controlling that doom mechanic was fucking me. Once you figure out that its great. It just plays completely differently to other nations vassals/tributaries are more capture/exploit expect to release rather than keep and annex, once you stack wipe an enemy rather than just occupying land its better to let them rebuild another army and slaughter that too.

Never played Livonian Order since the remake years ago. Are any of the various directions you can take them considered more interesting then the rest?

whats the proper way to minmax trade income as the byzantines? do I just flow everything into the constantinople trade node?

Conquer Venice, direct to Venice, win game, delete save.

Guys I want to do a full on proper US run for my 1st time. Meaning I want to take my time manifesting my destiny and not necessarily rush things. I intentionally kept on the side a British Empire save where I formed a solid Thirteen Colonies colony, for later use. This save is around early 1500s I think.

My question is: Will I have time to form irl US's borders and also engage in external politics and influence by 1821? Or should I go after Extended Timeline for a (much) longer playthrough?

Also, any recommended idea groups for historical Burgerland?

>>2113100
I mean the borders shouldn't be much of an issue the continental United states will be mostly fully colonized by the 1650s and the land will be dirt cheap in a peace deal assuming you can beat the Europeans. As for ideas just take shit like plutocratic, trade, economic. (I now suddenly realize its weird there's no slavery idea).

>>2113122
I would say that's like asking for a money idea, since you want a group idea out of something that was fairly common, I now realize quality and offenses are also fairly common and do have their own ideas

>>2113122
Thank you anon.
And I just saw that Paradox hasnt given them a custom mission tree. Didn't expect that desu.

Question. I'm going to try to do a WC as france. Is there a way to get Milan to consistantly reelect your monarch if you have them in a Personal Union?

>>2113100
Just 13 Colonies U.S is capable of having an impact. That's 1550s if you know what you're doing.
>>2113122
>(I now suddenly realize its weird there's no slavery idea).
Aristocratic idea 2 and the Economic-Quantity policy. Slavery is represented through the tariff modifier you get from the slave "Trading in" bonus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJtaU61FOQ
IT'S OUT

>>2113858
Buy an ad

Why do people say hoi4 is easier than eu4, when eu4 is about bending alliances and hug boxes to your will and fight with front row of battle width with infantry and back row with artillery

>>2114632
Because if you try to win with just that, you'll get smashed in MP.

>>2114701
Single player gameplay is not suitable for MP, that's the case for most strategy games. MP trannies once again jump to the occasion of showing their stupidity.

>>2114883
So, your complaint is that you can beat the AI with sub-par army comps?

>>2114632
because hoi4 is piss easy, you can conquer the USA as any nation in a few hours

>>2114884
You are brown, have zero reading comprehension and didn't answer the original question

>>2097859 (OP)
Finally got yazd -> eranshar

>>2115210
EU4 has the controls and settings of an RTS. If you think it's purely a SP game, you haven't set them up.

>>2115256
LMAO
Rip

>>2115256
ESLs are so fucking stupid

>>2097859 (OP)
Habsan and Tungning are both better

so it's war

>>2116049
>left a Novgorod run on hold because I didn't want to deal with war Ottomans declared on me
>it's been several months now

>>2116049
>>2116065
I held them to a stale mate for 2 years and then peaced out giving up 3 provences and 150 ducats, then immediately allied Poland.

gg ottomans

How should I deal with the germans getting uppity once I start getting close to them? Leave Europe alone for some twenty years until they've calmed down a bit or run them down while I'm still allies with the emperor? Trying to form Rome so don't really care about conquering other continents, also afraid my allies France and Bohemia turn on me soon thus triggering the coalition.

>>2116848
>He let portugal form brazil
Get truce with as many nations as you can

>>2116852
Funnily enough Portugal became a vassal of Brazil after I took some of their land which is why they're miffed at me taking the rest. Another thing I hadn't seen before was Austria-Hungary forming and then for some reason releasing Hungary.
Got some weird bug where Bohemia says they want to join war for land but adding them resets the war screen.

>>2116848
Usually you want to dismantle the HRE asap to minimize AE but they're eventually going to form a coalition anyway. The best strategy is to always attack everyone as soon as possible so they all have disjointed truces and can't band up against you, honestly it's really tedious and that's why I quit my Roman Empire campaign as soon as I could click the decision.

Anons any advice on US's idea groups? Going for both RP and function.

They already start with expansion and plutocratic as a colonial in early 1500s. Thinking in no particular order of Quantity, Exploration, Humanist ("land of the free" and +50% to native assimilation with exploration) and Influence (americanism + Monroe Doctrine).

Anything else or better?

>>2116848
The play was to release in a peace deal and diplo vassalize the Italian guys instead of direct conquest

>>2116848
That was exhausting, just speed 4'd it at the end so got very sloppy and broke truce with France twice to kill them off for good. Is a world conquest feasible from here? Don't really feel like blobbing anymore but if it's not too much of a micromanagement hassle compared to Europe I might

>>2117177
It should technically be possible but considering how long it took you to form Rome and you barely having a foothold in Asia and Africa+all those independent new world tags I doubt you can do it, no offense

>decide to check out what playing Ireland is like in EU4
>every province is part of the "Britain" region
>final mission in the mission tree is "Rule Britannia"
>there's a fucking mission about importing potatoes
Why are these swedes so fucking racist holy shit

>>2118193
Why would a country import potatoes when they are quite easy to grow

>>2117177
>Be the Roman Empire
>allowing Persia to exist
DELENDA EST!!!!

>>2117177
Why would you even want to attempt a WC when you were already bored enough to trucebreak France? WC sucks. The game turns into busywork cookie clicker second job gacha hell.

>>2118193
White lives don't matter if they're not american,

How the hell do they maintain 150k troops?

>>2118193
The Irish were frequently marginalized and oppressed during their history, but Ireland is a first-world country nowadays. This means that there's nothing to be gained from pandering to the Irish the same way there is from pandering to brown nationalities. There's no cheap imported Irish labor to attract by creating the atmosphere of fake acceptance and inclusivity.

>>2119632
Quantity and/or Offensive + deving like crazy which is what the AI does because institutions are easy to get even outside of Europe, tech is cheap, and they're not coring shit because they're not expanding.

Fully annexing England while they were at war with Utrecht made me replace them in that war. I thought: "Pretty nice because I don't have to worry about Utrecht's allies or the HRE emperor." Unfortunately, I didn't realize that this was going to happen so all of my troops were on the other side of the world. I had to let them occupy Calais for now...

I opted for a compromise peace in the Far East in order to to redirect my forces to Europe faster.

Utrecht made the war really easy by sending half of their army to siege down some provinces I took from England in Africa.

...but then France declared on me before I could fully occupy Utrecht, so I was forced to sign another compromise peace.

Not to worry though, because France's AI is also retarded and they set the war goal to some province in Mexico instead of Calais, which meant that I had ticking warscore the entire times. I quickly dismantled the forts in Calais and Antwerp to deny the Fr*nch most of the warscore from taking those provinces. I won a naval battle and then blockaded their navy. I moved my army first to Britain and then to North America after it turned out that they had a surprising about of troops in there. All of a sudden French Canada got their independence supported by Spain and declared an independence war. France didn't want to sign white peace with me but they didn't bother me either. All of their American troops were busy trying to siege down Canada while Spain is invading their homeland. They just took Paris, which allowed me to sign peace where I took war reps and some money. I released Flanders in Anwerp, fed them Calais, and enabled scutage and trade power transfer. This should give me more more trade power in the English Channel node while minimizing French meddling at the same time. I hope to enlarge Flanders when the moment is right, they have cores on many provinces owned by Utrecht and Brabant.

>>2119699
Big Poland

In my kilwa run for swahili persuasion
Thought I could spawn colonialism by colonising australia fuck bazillion months wasted with gazillion mana stacked for embracing institutions, load a previous save or colonise south America

>>2097962
noooooo shut up its based ok?? its BASED

>west african pagan game
>shit on by institutions and tech
>shit on by bad religious diplo and low starting dev
>shit on by your own terrain's constant attrition
>none of it compares to the fact that your main enemies are inevitably going to be portugal, spain, and their dotf
>200k men in a 1520 war
Johan, this is nearly unplayable.

Post songs to listen while playing EUIV
I'll start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvE1hGkb9EM

Got my first TTM run stabilized, now I need to buildup my economy. And of course we've got some giga-ottomans here. I'm on normal, what do you think their FL will be by the time I fight them?

>>2122491
250 easily

New chud mission tree reward

>>2098296
god damn i hate vanilla eu4

Gentlemen, it was a pleasure posting with you.

>>2098119
Hey do you think maybe in EU5 crusades will give the CB to people further away

Do you think my Ryzen 7 3700X will be able to get me 20 FPS at 1080p

>>2098119
Crusade was kinda a meme in it effectivness. It worked against disorgnazied people like the Baltic tribes and Iberian Taifa but always eventually fails against big empire like the Ayyubids, Ottomans, and Lithuanian.

>brandenburg
>go to war twice
>get fucked by a coalition within the first 20 years
thanks paradox very cool

How do you deal with level 9 forts?

>>2127016
You conquer all of Europe by 1500.

>>2127016
You stop playing once it becomes a thing or be Russia, Prussia, or France with quantity and wait.

>>2127016
By having allies and vassals attach to your armies.

>>2127016
Max cannons, siege ability, and patience

Yep time for another Timurids into Mamluks into Yuan gameplay

So nor more dlc for eu4 from now on ?

>>2128425
Nope, lucky for you though you can buy the EU5 byz dlc early next year

>>2128425
>So nor more dlc for eu4 from now on ?
My headcanon is that DLC for EU4 stopped in 2017. Don't tell me you guys kept playing the new patches and buying new slop?

>>2107815
first century is fun but after that it's just blobbing

>want to download eu4 soundtrack
>billions of different albums with like 3 tracks each
>still missing half the songs
>most can be found in game files, but at some utter ass quality like 128 kbps .mp3
paradox's approach to their soundtrack seems as abysmal as their ability to deal with performance

I put Serbia in wagie cagie.

And now Venice declared on me. Another failed run.

Finally managed to get this shit off the ground.

>>2126262
You're playing in the HRE. You're meant to vassalize and diploannex, take single provinces to release vassals from them for reconquest CB on their cores, and develop your own provinces.

>>2128468
>128 kbps .mp3
Let me guess, you think you need more?

>>2113858
The guide is clear, I think I can pull it off, but all this gov reform switching thing feels so cheesy I have no desire to try.
I'll have to live the rest of my life without TTM cheevo.

Aggressive Expansion keeps fucking me, it's the 1600s and I should be larger, what do?

anyone tried that punnic alt scenario total conversion mod?

>>2130524
Post finem? Its alright for a playthrough or 2 there aren't really any interesting mechanics, and the scenario is dumb as hell though. Carthage wins and then history kind of freezes for 1700 years the Seleucids still exist, Egypt is Greek, German tribes are in the exact place, Italy rather than staying Etruscan or anything interesting developing just gets annexed to Carthage and turns Punic.
Turning Britain Norse and building a North Sea empire was pretty good though. Overall I'd probably just say do Ante Bellum instead at least that does more interesting stuff with its points of divergence.

>>2130586
oh well. how's india in ante bellum btw?

>>2130636
Totally unchanged I'm pretty sure and I don't think there's any lore about it

>>2130473
It would help if you said who you are.

>>2130644
I am a transwoman.

>>2130646
op here, me too
not sure if it matters lol but theres that

So when it's best to send a merchant to collect from home node and when it's not guys? And what should you do often do by default?

>>2130963
Just try out what makes more money, if you control most of your node it's probably better to send them somewhere else

>>2130963
Post map, if you have psuedo end(or dominant) nodes that flow into other countries then collect there , if it comes uninterrupted to home node then transfer

>>2130963
Follow the arrows

>>2130473
Stage you conquest in 2 steps:
Step 1: take a handful of low dev provinces that allows you to release nations with a lot of cores as vassals.
Step 2: go back with a return core CB

fuuuuuck mod updated and the tweaks i made to the custom government reform got deleted

>>2107684
>Seiges win wars,
manpower wins wars. always
>>2127016
>How do you deal with level 9 forts?
Siege, cannons, bring in mercenary army, assault, bring in another mercenary army, another assault, bring your own army to clean it up with another assault or just wait it out. After most of garrison dies, it should be way easier

More wars enables you more wars as simple as it is, more trade more manpower more income more army tradition more capable generals = quick wars .
Admin - diplo - offensive
2nd rate ideas : religous, influence, quantity

I have a question about Eu3.
I wanted to do a stupid game in which as Yemen I conquer the levant and arab peninsula then convert to christianity for the lulz. But I can't seem to fin a way to do it properly. I have 2 orthodox provinces (Trebizond and Socotra) and 2 catholic ones (Diamenitia and Delta). Moving my capital to one of those provinces doesn't do shit. Trying to get religious rebels does nothing apparently because they will only go after certain provinces to convert them (I guess based on culture/core of the original owner of the province?). I tried to "steer" rebels to conquer certain provinces (I directed the orthodox rebels to take over Damascus, but it didn't convert once they sieged the city down).
Any idea on how to convert my religion?

>eu3
>>>/trash/

>>2132531
>manpower wins wars
FL, devastation, forts, alliances, and war score say no.

>>2116949
Probably Maritime and Innovativeness. Maybe Infrastructure and Quality.

>>2132787
I think in Eu3 you can only convert between denominations and not whole religions with the exception of certain events/decisions for specific nations.

>>2116949
For Eu4's time period I don't think Influence ideas fit the US. Monroe Doctrine wasn't established until 1826 and the US wasn't really active in world affairs until after the mid 1800s. Americans were very much in favor of political isolationism until WW2 and the Cold War is when America really started spreading its influence. It's not like there will be a lot of independent colonial nations for you to influence anyways (unless you make them).
Maritime and Inno would be more correct historically as the other anon suggested but maybe not Infrastructure, much of the US was very underdeveloped/agrarian with the exception of a few metropolitan areas on the east coast until the mid 1800s once again when industrialization and capitalism kicked off and you had the government funding railway companies.

>>2132900
Can't say I've ever seen a war between humans where devastation played an impact. Even war score almost never matters unless you somehow get >50% to stab-hit

>>2133090
It's subtle, but you can cripple the enemy's manpower gain with targeted looting and scorched earth for chain-wars.
Won't win you the war, but it'll make rebounding noticeably more painful.

>>2133091
If you've gone deep enough into his lands to scorch a significant amount then he's already up shit creek. That's exactly the point that I'm trying to make, that too many strategy game players confuse winning tactics with win-more tactics

>>2133101
In EU4, win-more tactics are how you prevent a bounceback.

>>2133102
Sure, but they're totally irrelevant unless you win in the first place. You're being obtuse

>>2133104
You're conflating the idea of winning one war with actually beating a player.
Outside of 44 games, it's rarely that simple.

>>2133108
lmao what
you have it backwards my man it rarely isn't that simple, anyway you're visibly autistic so cya nerd

>>2133113
>you have it backwards my man it rarely isn't that simple
As I said, we're not counting 44 games.
Anything late 1500s and on? Not being solved with just one war. Allies will cover him so he can get his cores back.

>>2133116
uh huh
and suppose its a 1v1 in asia or africa or something. what are the odds i "bounce back" if you 100% warscore me? It's really not complicated, you're just too narcissistic to admit that win-more tactics are of secondary importance even though from where i'm standing that's common fucking sense.

>>2133123
>and suppose its a 1v1 in asia or africa or something.
Hugbox lobby in Europe.

>>2133113
>you're visibly autistic so cya nerd
>>2133123
>uh huh
>you're just too narcissistic to admit
You talk like a faggot

Any tips for a relative beginner? Castile suddenly blobbed into Milan and they scare me, they're allied with Siena but they're stupidly still in the HRE. I'm allied with France and Austria, but the latter is a bit flakey. I think I need to turtle up for a bit and develop after I finish eating Venice

>>2133304
You have the right idea, just conquer what you can and keep developing and building up your economy.
You'll have to fight them eventually but Castile will get weaker once they form Spain and integrate their subjects since their total forcelimit will go down (and the AI will probably send their whole army to Mexico). In this situation I'd want Milan as a vassal to reconquer all that land without aggressive expansion.

What's everyone's favorite/comfort tag to play as?
I never get bored of Savoy > Italy > Rome

>>2133350
daring today, aren’t we?

>>2133350
Oyo into anything.
It's just dumb fun.

>>2097859 (OP)
I released Byzantium after defeating the Ottomans(I won the war of the protestant league as the HREmperor), and the new state religion of Byzantium was Sunni, around half of their provinces were Orthodox, the other half Sunni. Why did paradox allow such a glaring oversight? Surely its obvious that released nations should keep the religion they had when they were conquered in the past.

>>2133430
Because you are likely sunni yourself and so is the province that their capital landed on.
Be happy tho, an orthodox byzantium is the worst vassal you can have, they get constantly religious rebels because theyre supposed to solve their mini desaster of having a broken army/church which the AI obviously cant do.
Your byzantium just has its MT locked basically.

>>2133436
> Because you are likely sunni yourself
I was Catholic France, Sunni countries can’t join the HRE.
> an orthodox byzantium is the worst vassal you can have
I didn't vassalise them, I just forced Ottomans to release them in order to weaken the Ottomans, I had the choice to release Bulgaria and Serbia too.

Honestly I just ignore the Ottomana and wait for Greece to get their cores to start attacking, is really not worth attacking them early, in fact you might even want to ally them early to take advantage of their power and use it against your enemies while also controlling the amount of wars themselves declare, limiting their expansion

>>2133430
Released nations go by the popular religion of that country's cores. If the elites have all converted, then forming their own independent power structure won't cause them to change their faith.

>>2133350
Abjectly basic as fuck but England. The choice of island merchant or Angevin adds variety for the already OP gameplay

>>2133350
Ayutthaya is always fun.

>>2133350
Muscovy

>>2133350
Timurids

>>2133350
castille

>not a single byzanturd mention as the comfy pick
Gsg is saved at last

>>2133350
Muscovy and Jianzhou
sorry can't pick one

>>2133350
Mamluks

>not a single byzanturd mention as the comfy pick
Needing to cheese the game at the start to have a good run is not very comfy

>>2133350
Korea. I love harmonizing everything. Never managed to grab Jewish, though

why cant i form greece as byzantium anyway

>>2134643
That would be like forming England as Great Britain.

The only nation I have ever played outside of Europe is the Timurids.

>>2134651
what if i go revolutionary as byzantium
i doubt the proletariat hellenes would keep around the imperial title

>>2134652
I play outside of Europe more often than in it. Usually don't like to bother with colonizing or HRE bullshit

>>2134652
Mamluks and Bengal are extremely fun, the Mamluks in particular are actually op as fuck, aggressive Korea is a nice pick too, and Jiangzhou
Hosokawa and Uesugi are nice picks for chill Japanese campaign
Ethiopia and Songhai too although SSAfrica is miserable in this game
The most fun campaign I ever had was a Cuzco>Inca run

Literally perfect.

>>2134791
I have so many questions about this...

>>2134796
Feel free to ask.

>>2134814
Why in the hells are you in Spain and Africa instead of Athens?

>>2134821
I left Greece because I would have huge Ottos breathing down my neck at all times otherwise: >>2128601

>>2134825
Well what's the big idea of colonising cape

>>2097859 (OP)
>Eranshar is totally historically viable in 1610
>Austro-Hungary? REEEEEEEE, NOOOOOOOO, NOT A THING, NOT A THING
Fuck Johan and fuck Paradox.

>>2134789
>Ethiopia and Songhai too although SSAfrica is miserable in this game
Truly. Use every trick you can to get ahead and it only might be enough.

>>2134834
Castille and Portugal got there first so I had to take it all to kill them. And I had to kill Portugal and Castille because Sevilla is a very good trade node and I wanted it all for myself. They would have colonized in trade company regions and would have become harder and harder to fully annex otherwise. But it's a good thing that I have it right now in general because once I conquer all of Ivory Coast trade node (which I should do pretty soon), I'll be able to sent trade from Malacca and Southern India through Cape and Ivory Coast towards Sevilla.

Taking all of those provinces from Castille made a coalition start to form in Europe. I attacked two one-province minors released in the league war before they could join the coalition. Oh yeah there was a league war and I helped the prots for the army tradition modifier and to fulfill the Age of Absolutism objective ahead of time. The war leader gave me some Aragonese land. Later on I attempted to take Vienna through an amphibious invasion in Istria and got around 30% of my army stackwiped that way despite taking some forts initially.

Right now I'm also murdering some Mesoamerican natives. I took a lot of provinces from Aztecs before and they would have joined the coalition, stalling my expansion there. I'm hoping to fully clean up Mexico and get rid of this problem. I'm very near my gov cap limit and Europe hates me so I'll expand in colonial and trade company regions for some time.

Also I'm Sunni and and allied to the Ottomans (they became friendly after they declared war and took Athens from me sometime in the 1500s). I'm allied to Najd too because Hanbali is the best school of Islam, -10% aggressive expansion. I'm Maliki myself because -10% dev cost reduction is better in the early game. Any other questions?

>>2134868
VGH, Hellenic Andalusia

>>2134839
>>Austro-Hungary? REEEEEEEE, NOOOOOOOO, NOT A THING, NOT A THING
It's been in the game for years nigga.

>>2135106
And you need admin tech 18 to form it, so you cannot form it in 1610. Ironically, you can form Hungary-Austria earlier because Hungary has a mission that reduces the requirement to admin tech 15.

I only invade nations that my mission tree tells me to invade.

I only invade nations that are stopping me from finishing my true 1 tag 1 culture 1 faith world conquest

I only invade nations that I have a real-world cultural grudge against.

I only invade nations I've never visited

I only invade nations that exist.

>>2118498
Import them to grow them.

>>2121762
Did you give out the "neighbour raid" privilege? It helps a lot for manpower in Africa.

>>2135605
It's not a manpower issue. They just have absurdly large armies to double-team you with.

First time playing as Ambrosian republic Milan - how do I keep republican tradition high if I keep reelecting my ruler? Should I bother at all?
I have very little gameplay experience in playing as republics.

>>2135647
>how do I keep republican tradition high if I keep reelecting my ruler?
It's fairly easy to get Republican Tradition growth modifiers. Between RT growth and the -10 from reelection, you should only be losing ~2 or 3 RT every election. You only need to Strengthen Government or just not reelect a candidate every now and then and you'll be above 90 RT the whole game.
>Should I bother at all?
Yes, reelection is the whole point to play a republic. You should try to decrease term limits as much as possible. Every reelection increases your ruler stats, so in the aggregate you will have better mana generation. I don't reelect rulers if they have a bad trait or if I'm concerned with RT. But 95% of the time, I reelect

>>2135678
I worded it badly, I meant to ask if keeping RT high is worth bothering but you already answered to that in your post
Thanks anon

>>2135647
Republics suck in modern EU4. You should flip back to a monarchy under Sforza as soon as possible.

Can I get Anjou dynasty as Naples? Do I need to marry Provence or something? I don't want an icky spajeet family ruling my country

>>2135782
Republics are far and away better than monarchies because of their higher mana generation

>>2135861
Not true since monarchies became able to disinherit and introduce heir.

>>2135866
That's still playing leader RNG just with a greater cost to legitimacy and prestige while also being on a greater cooldown

>>2135861
>>2135866
Also the reason republics suck is that they need to stack a decent amount of reforms for rep tradition for reelections (while monarchies have access to disinherit since day one) and get lower absolutism than monarchies. Lack of rep tradition also increases your stab cost, which can be difficult to deal with early game. But in general monarchies are just better.

>>2135869
Having low legitimacy isn't as bad as having low rep tradition, though. You're also missing out on personal unions (unless playing Dutch Republic which is decent.)

>>2135870
>they need to stack a decent amount of reforms for rep tradition for reelections
Not true. Here's an old Italy save of mine which is also Ambrosian Republic. Outside of the initial change to the Republic, I never dipped below 90 RT. It's extremely easy to keep it up. My current RT gain is 1.4 but I have some government reforms which give absolutism rather than RT, before the Age of Absolutism my gain was closer to 2.5 a year. I have elections every 3 years and reelection costs 6 RT. So I gain RT even when reelecting
>get lower absolutism than monarchies
Hitting 100 absolutism is absolutely trivial. Picrel
>Lack of rep tradition also increases your stab cost
Not an issue outside of when you switch from monarchy to republic. Once RT is up, it stays up
>>2135874
>You're also missing out on personal unions
Personally, I don't really bother with PU's even when I play monarchies. They're kinda annoying

I forgot to add that republics also gain reform progress way faster than monarchies, so taking/changing government reforms isn't as big of a hassle

>>2135887
>1655
Now think how much earlier you could have gotten to 100 if you didn't start with -40 from being a republic.

>>2135891
>implying that's the first time I hit 100
That's just the only save I had. I hit 100 decades ago

I'll do it, I'll start a new timurids run

I always restart the game, up to dozens of times, until I get the perfect starting situation.

>>2135962
If eu5 has a fast start, it's going to be much worse there

Cav only timmy is super fun and based

>>2135874
Low Legitimacy isn't damaging enough.

>>2136053
>legitimacy has no effect on estate loyalty
Jesus Christ this game is so disjointed. Nobody bothers updating old systems to interact with new oens

>>2136063
Maybe the disasters are just too easy to deal with?
I wouldn't be surprised if this all came back to the all-encompassing alliance system.

>>2136053
Low legitimacy gives you the awful coup attempt disaster

>>2136103
Sure, if you're consortless.

>>2136104
Ooh so that's I keep getting this garbage disaster as Iqtas

Wait, so you're telling me that I can get territorial cores on provinces adjacent to my vassals but not full cores for some reason? That's some bullshit.

>>2136151
Integrate the subject then, what even was your goal for the campaign?

>>2136179
I'm just passing time until I can get the 50 universities and Academical. Might play some more as long as I enjoy it. Anyway, the game cannot do this to me. How was I able to get a territorial core in there in the first place? No idea. How was I supposed to know that I won't be able to get a full core afterwards? It should always be possible to turn territorial cores into full cores, anything else doesn't make sense.

>>2136179
>>2136231
Oh and no I will not integrate Jenne. I vassalized them to keep my gov capacity under control. I'm at 1080/1220 and about to increase it by diplo-annexing and stating Sicily. Jenne has over 200 development. If I diplo-annexed them and kept those provinces as territories instead of states, it would actually be a waste of points because 1 point of dev takes 8 diplo during integration but only 5 admin to get a territorial core iirc. They will stay a vassal for a long time, possibly forever if I don't take Influence at some point and decrease annexation costs that way. I took those provinces for myself because they produce gold. I actually missed one to the east, I will have to seize it from Jenne after a war with some of those African tags when I can actually core it properly. I could create territorial cores after I took them so I thought I'd be able to state it and get full cores afterwards. And NO I didn't own any other provinces in the area. And NO I didn't move my capital from Africa to Europe during that time. My capital was in Iberia even before I vassalized Jenne. This is pure bullshit.

>>2136103
>awful coup attempt disaster
What event are you talking about

>>2136337
Probably the Civil War disaster.

>>2135893
Okay, now count how many more useful privileges you could have kept or what other more useful government reforms you could have selected instead if you didn't need 40 extra points of max absolutism.

>>2136384
>another nothing ever happens disaster

>>2136384
Civil war can actually be good if you have a shit ruler, he's talking about the coup when you have an estate regency but you really should never get to that point if you're paying attention

>>2136384
Is literally called coup attempt
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Coup_Attempt

>>2097859 (OP)
how do I turn off the sea effects? My 2014 macbook is too old and crashes when I play countries which are next to the big oceans such as Castile.

>>2136532
Fast Universalis mod

>>2136532
There's sea effects? i've never even noticed

Look, a secular tribe. No, they aren't occupied by rebels.

Also I was watching a bit of BudgetMonk's current stream just now and he was dropping redpills about how he doesn't play Muslims in EU4 because Dhimma is a protection racket and he doesn't like how Muslims behave in UK in real life. Someone in the chat said that there's gonna be a civil war in UK and he didn't even disagree lol. If this blows up he's gonna get cancelled over it, you heard it here first.

>>2136847
>BudgetMonk
who?

>>2136847
>doesn't play muslims because dhimmi are le protection racket
>play christians who just tortured and slaughtered even other christians who didn't worship the nailed jew the way the state wanted
Chud hypocrisy knows no boundaries, and I'm pretty sure budgetmonk has been banned from the general eu community

Speaking of ccreator drama I was in a playmaker stream right after the ludi redhawk beef and asked if there was something more than just the recent throwing shades at each other because I always found it weird ludi was never at parabellum and playmaker confirmed it but refused to elaborate on it. Maybe Ludi is an asshole

>>2136886
i don't know who any of those people are

>>2136847
He was already suppressed by troons calling him nazi, >>2136886
Surprisingly even though everyone hates ludi is the biggest creator

>>2136898
>hates ludi is the biggest creator
I only know a handful of them but I refuse to believe that ugly gipsy is the biggest anything except "insufferable faggot"

>>2136886
>Maybe Ludi is an asshole
If you lie about a game that's not even out yet not even bothering to get real numbers, yeah, you might be a nigger. Imagine showing your true colors over the demo of a game that's not even out yet.

Anyways, someone tell redhawk that the introductions to his videos are terrible, the scripts are awful and all the gesticulacion is cringe, excessive and just unnecessary

>>2136940
Its probably by default more than anything. The only other ones that post EU4 regularly are Laith and Red Hawk.

Anyone up for some coop MP or succession game?

I hope EU5 manages diplomacy and rivalry better than this game, I literally couldn't get a game started as Milan because Austria always rivaled me at game start.

>>2137047
Vassalize and diploannex to avoid Unlawful Territory. I hate restartscummers.

what is YOUR favorite map mod?

>>2137045
If you are so used to making questionable decisions, how come you didn't get a loan to buy a decent pc yet?

>>2137061
My PC, while probably far from decent according to you, can actually run this game with pretty graphical mods like TBARW. The problem is that it's too damn hot in this room, so I limit my GPU to 12W and use Fast Universalis instead to make it a bit more bearable. You just can't see my genius, man.

>>2137077
yarr

>>2137069
Oh, that's ok, but it does makes me wonder why you haven't buy an AC unit, they are way cheaper than a pc and, in the opinion as someone that has to deal with 40°C summers, they are worth every penny

Nah, fuck this shit. Fuck fighting France. Fuck Ottomans for refusing to move their troops until the Swiss started invading their own territory. I'm building those universities and then RQing this playthrough.

>>2137098
I rent a room and our stupid European windows make your American portable AC units unviable.

>>2137115
>European anything
I cry

12 years of estate regency. Another sign that the game doesn't want me to keep playing it any longer.

Done. The end was definitely disappointing but overall I really enjoyed this.

>>2137211
At least expel the french from northern spain

Finally, map games pay off

>it's another episode of "I have to attack some random ass country that is allied to the OPM I really want to invade but can't because they are allied to three different majors"
I'm really really getting tired of AI pulling player-tier shit.

>>2137059
anbennar

Why the FUCK are provinces in Indonesia always so much OE?

>>2137387
cuz they are all high dev

>>2137387
It's full of small tags that usually just hugbox eachother so they have nothing to do with their mana except dev

>>2137252
Real life Al-Andalus didn't own all of Iberia either. Besides, see what I said >>2137115 and >>2137188 . It's impossible to fight the French on equal terms in this game as a country who doesn't have overpowered national ideas itself and I hate relying on allies because they do shit like sit in their own territory or refuse to reinforce battles that are winnable. The AI in this game is retarded. They're extremely scared of engaging directly and would go around half the map to siege some forts on the other side of the world instead when their strength calculations tell them they're weaker than the enemy, but the second they THINK they're stronger it's like a switch flips and they start to dogpile on whoever they're fighting with. You never know which one it's gonna be because their strength calculations have very little to do with reality. It's why I hate starts that have to rely on allies like Byzantium and why I pretty much never did in this playthrough aside from the initial independence war. Aside from that initial war, the war with France was the first time I called Ottomans into anything and see how well it turned out. I saw more retarded stuff like this happen throughout the playthrough like the French themselves being unable to finish off Austria in a league war for a long time despite outnumbering them 4:1 or Ottomans concluding a war with Bahmanis that lasted a few years with like 20% war score and taking just a few provinces because they were going back and forth despite the ratio of Ottoman troops to Bahmanis troops being like 2:1.

>>2137252
>>2137453
Oh yeah and now I'm unable to declare war for 12 years and won't be able to trucelock countries in Europe effectively anymore. I'd like to see someone get out of this one without waiting a long ass time until AE drops or Alt+F4ing the ruler death in the first place.

I miss my Irish playthrough where I had War Against the World Doctrine and could declare on anyone and enjoy -25% province war score cost and not having to pay diplo for unjustified demands. Allies are useless and fabricating claims during this playthrough was absolute cancer.

So my 24k stack of troops attacked Uzbeks 12K stack. I know they have the nomad tech group but I'm at tech 5 and I got an infantry unit update at that tech while they're at tech 4. My infantry is as good as their and I have higher morale and military tactics. What happened next? I rolled 2 zeroes followed by a two and then another bunch of 0s during the battle. What happened next? Some other army reinforced them. Only THEN I started getting normal rolls and it was a close call. They had a sliver of morale left themselves when they won. I told my units to retreat to a province. One fucking stack disobeyed entirely and retreated to a different province while the other stack DIDN'T RETEAT AT ALL. They literally sat in that same province where the battle happened for a day (I could see them there with zero morale) and then THEY WERE STACKWIPED BY THE SAME ENEMY ARMY THEY JUST FOUGHT. So AI can annoy me with shattered retreat all they want but it doesn't even work properly for me? Okay Paradox.

I still won that war, but I couldn't take as much as I wanted. I wouldn't have been able to take Ryazan anyway because Muscovy attacked them while I was fighting them and just snatched that province, but I still feel mad about it because it was such bullshit. Thankfully I can still release Astrakhan for the reconquest CB on Great Horde later on AND nomad tech group cavalry.

Which one is better?
-10% AE and -10% warscore for provinces feels a little underwhelming to me.

>>2139570
5 absolutism is worthless, 90/90 cost/ae is a pretty good casus belli unless you already have a better one available.

>>2139570
Obviously the first one, you will not have any better CBs until imperialism, war score cost is extremely valuable, even 10% is big

Is this game hard/time consuming to get in to? It's like £4 on Gog and i'm thinking of giving it a go.

>>2139742
It's not really hard but there's a ton of obscure mechanics so you will probably spend some time getting into it, helps if you played any other paradox games

>>2139745
I haven't played any Paradox games. Maybe i'll watch some video guides to get an idea before I get it.

>>2139742
eu5 is being released in a few months and the base game will have more features than the full dlc eu4

>>2139768
>base game will have more features than the full dlc eu4
I really doubt this is the case especially since EU4 has had 7 years of regular updates and DLC releases plus Paradox is advertising EU5 DLC even before the base game is out

Frozen Assets during Age of Discovery!

>>2139851
Post the political map

>>2139884
Astrakhan, Finland and Chernigov (the light gray Ruthenian OPM) are my vassals and transferring trade power to me. Poland has PUs over Lithuania and Hungary and is allied to Castile who has PUs over Aragon and Naples (they didn't have that alliance yet when I declared war on them last time).

>>2139884
>>2139930
Having vassals of different religions is really beneficial early on because the impact of low religious tolerance on goods produced is devastating as you can see. This is the only Sunni province that I own and only because I needed a way to the gold mine, which I converted to Orthodox and will culture-convert before developing. There is much more trade value in Tatar nodes because Astrakhan owns them.

>>2139884
>>2139930
>>2139933
I started a war with Genoa and I have a lot of trade power in Crimea just from occupying their provinces. Aq Qoyunlu also steers trade to me from a peace deal I got during one of the previous wars.

>>2139884
>>2139930
>>2139933
>>2139936
Here's the trade map. White Sea is just 0.2 ducats richer than Genoa.

>>2139884
>>2139930
>>2139933
>>2139936
>>2139938
Ottos are really weak this time for some reason, that may have also helped me because the Constantinople trade node suffered as a result.
>Venice declared on Byz before them and took the entirely of Morea
>they were BTFOd in a war by The Knights allied with France, who took Galipoli
>now embroiled in a war with Mamluks and Tunis, it looks like they might lose it
>technically still positive war score, but it used to be bigger and they used to occupy more of Syria
>Mamluks have more troops than Ottos on their own (48k vs 36k)

>>2139851
Frozen assets should've been a Beloozero achievement for the pun

Bros...I don't think I can beat Poland in this Holy Horde campaign. They have managed to become too strong. I guess I could keep on beating up the Muscovites, Novgorod, Swedes and expand on the steppes. Maybe surround and beat the Poles later. But my mission tree has stagnated because it's dynamic and I haven't beaten Poland yet.
Right now, they're very scary.

>>2140017
You were supposed to beat them 40 years ago, what the fuck are you doing? You could have done it with just you, Hungary, and the Livonians

>>2140017
Take out some loans and build a bigger army and make them pay for it, if you have tech 7? before them you can beat them since Poland is usually behind in tech if they take Lithuania and their allies look pretty worthless, the longer you delay it the more painful it will be since their national ideas are ridiculous

>>2139777
Well you are wrong, eu5 has definitely more features, now when it comes to "flavor" a.k.a.: wall of text most people wont read, then yes, eu4 will have more flavor.