Thread 2097993

Is there a more powerful or ferocious creature?
No, of course not, and you would be foolish to think otherwise.

>>2097993 (OP)
How do you get into this game as a total newcomer? It seems like a massive wall to climb to actually know what the fuck is going on and what you are supposed to do.

>>2098027
Move dudes on a grid
Kill enemies
Don't melee enemies with Fire Veil

>>2098027
for most of the game there are few problems that can't be solved by just grinding more
use what masteries you have, if the masteries you have suck either grind more or progress the story and then grind more

>>2098060
>grinding
Low ESP post

First time in Monke Hell. It's kinda... not difficult. I actually lost more people in the blue monkey mission. I'm playing on Normal thoughever.

>>2098494
Bump it up to at least Hard so Mungo King spawns and then you'll understand. He's got a way more powerful mastery board than he did during the story mission.

>>2098498
Hard is for a second playthrough. Bur if Bianca's plushy mutation works on him, it's over for him regardless.

>>2098501
I think you're badly underestimating how much trouble he causes on that map

>>2098051
>Don't melee enemies with Fire Veil
You are weak. Melee them all day every day and cause all enemies nearby to get AT raped and possibly stunned as well when they die.

>>2098494
>I am playing on baby mode how is this mission challenging
It is a mystery.

>>2098787
ESP and other ranged attacks let you do that without AT delaying or burning yourself in the process

>>2098494
>normal
hahahahaha
try it on cruel with every difficulty modifier active and you will learn why anons fucking hate mungo king

>>2098494
I played it on hard first playthrough, I cheesed everything with Misty but even while doing that the Mungo King instantly btfo'd like four of my units since they were clumped together.

>ok, 3 more pistol monkeys and the perfect run is done
>rogue is the last boss left
>standing in an ice sac smokescreen, so I've around 4% hit chance, shouldn't hit so it's alri–
>hits
>instakills
Suffering from success...

>>2099151
Why didn't you just choose to kill the remaining enemies?

>>2099262
Alisa by herself can't reach one of the monkeys on a balcony - there aren't any stairs and it's way too far for jump attacks to land. Picking 'finishing off remaining enemies' without any bosses left essentially softlocks the mission in that specific scenario. Maybe grenades could be used, but I doubt even three of those can get a kill at cruel/challenge/high risk.

>>2098027
>find trouble
>shoot it
Simple as

>>2099286
>start the game
>don't have a gun user yet
>can't shoot the trouble, only slice it
>game over
Fuckass game.

>>2099293
Bro, your ESP?

>>2098494
Now this is brutal.
100+% dodge Misty died right away, and then it was frontal assault on sniper towers time.

>>2099307
>100% dodge misty
rookie numbers, you can easily get her to 200% and above

>>2099477
And the snipers will still hit her every time

>>2099487
>gives her the set that prevents auto-crits from thief masteries
>she never gets hit by punishing shot
problem red sandniggers?

>>2099488
They don't have auto-crits, they just have unfair amounts of accuracy + Prior Planning

>>2099490
there is some kind of weird fuckery going on with preventing crits in the code. Every time I see that set pop she dodges the attack, which is weird since preventing the crit shouldnt prevent the hit itself I would assume

>>2098027
>It seems like a massive wall to climb to actually know what the fuck is going on
Not really, it's all pretty intuitive since the game basically holds your hand for the first couple of missions.

>>2099286
>trouble shoots you back
ok what now smart guy

>>2099849
Abandon some children

>>2100057
I want to take care of misty in a non sexual way till she is 13.

>>2100175
>till she is 13
And after that you'll abandon the child?

>>2100180
No i will ask her to marry me.

>>2100183
I'm not sure marriage at 13 is legal in Valhalla.

>>2100187
Are you telling me i need to impregnate her to have a forced marriage? Oh well...

>>2100180
banish, even

>>2100183
>>2100191
perish from this world

>>2100384
Misty needs love. I can fix her.

>>2100384
Anne should've learned about responsible use of firearms from Heixing bro and unlocked gunman classes

>>2101808
Yeah anne gunslinger is a wet dream since release probably.

>>2097993 (OP)
If irene threatened you like that you would shit your pants istantly.
Me? I would wait or ask her to kick me in the balls.

>>2098027
>massive wall to climb
It's not more difficult than your average turn based. You get the characters one by one and you have a lot of time to experiment. The very complex shit is when you up the difficult level to very hard fuck my shit up hexing must die.
I bought the game because, of course, it has a pretty girl on the cover and more pretty girls inside. I had to check a couple of time internet because i didn't get some masteries, sure, but it's not something this strange.
>actually know what the fuck is going on
That's korea baby but nonetheless the story is pretty much explained in the fullest.

is an all-in Spirit build playable on anyone? i remember a screenshot of a Kylie "spirit shredder" build a few threads back but no further discussion

>>2104322
It works pretty well on Kylie and Ray, and decently on Alisa. I've never tried it on Heixing or Giselle. The effects are hard to comprehend just by reading the masteries because so much of it looks like conditional nonsense, but in practice a build like that ends up evasive as fuck with insane accuracy and speed, and pretty good damage and HP. With postgame masteries they also spam buffs on themselves like nobody's business.

Okay, first playthrough done, have a meme.
The last mission took 2 tries. On the first one I only had Misty and Heixing left against the tankiest destron and they weren't gonna even scratch him, so I cheesed him by running away in circles until he ran out of fuel. On the second try I killed them fairly. 60V is much easier.

>>2106452
congrats anon
now turn on cruel + challenge + high risk/high return and play the game on the intended difficulty

>>2106452
the tankiest destron is such a nigger lol. Idek what the intended strat is vs him since even with 5x armor break he still takes single digit damage from ranger heixing with an anti-robot setup. I do know drones for some fucking reason can shove like 1.2k crit damage through its bullshit resistances somehow.

>>2106789
Sweeperchads, we win again

>>2106811
>sweeperchads
no such thing

>>2106811
>level up screen enabled
literally why

>>2107094
Numbers go up = happy anon

>>2107094
Because you earn those big numbers.

>>2106789
The intended strat is to kill them all from stealth with Misty, undetected

Is it technically possible to wait out the Destrons, so they run out of fuel?

>>2107094
You can turn it off? That could've saved hours of my life.

>>2106811
True. Awaken with Everything Needs A Slice Of Luck is grandiose indeed, and is a reliable way to kill any of the Destrons on command in that mission with Heixing.

>>2107094
>turn off the good boy dopamine hit screen
Literally why?

Which character in the game would be the most likely to actually play Troubleshooter?

>>2108419
Misty, but that's too easy. Other than her...Heixing I guess.

Anyone else play other games, read the writing, and wonder how the hell Troubleshooter is the poster child for bad writing? Yes, Troubleshooter has its issues, but so many games are so much worse, and few are actually better.

>>2108804
Who said Troubleshooter has bad writing?
I could understand thinking the prose is bad because it's an awkward translation, so sometimes the sentences sound weird. But the plot and characterization is pretty good I think.

I appreciated how most of the characters felt more "realistic" than your typical anime-style game. Most of the time each character has an assigned trope, a backstory if they're lucky, and that's their character. Especially in strategy games with a big roster. Fire Emblem is the worst for this.
In Troubleshooter they felt more like real people to me. Especially the characters from Alley. Irene is probably the silliest, and if she's all the way on that end of the spectrum then that shows how down-to-earth the characters are overall.

>>2108804
The main issue with Troubleshooter's writing is that the translation is noticeably subpar. Some people wildly exaggerate how bad it is, especially since most of the really bad lines have been fixed ages ago, but it's still not great by any measure. Aside from that, I'd say the story itself is decidedly above-average for a video game. Not zOMG TEH BEST but quite good nonetheless. Despite being an entirely unrealistic setting it feels grounded in-context, and it has just enough complexity to give it some appeal beyond the immediate face value. Maybe it could do with fewer flashbacks and side-stories, but at the same time those do add some extra depth and flavor to the setting in a way you wouldn't get from a purely linear single-perspective story.

>>2108994
>Some people wildly exaggerate how bad it is, especially since most of the really bad lines have been fixed ages ago, but it's still not great by any measure
you can see this a lot especially around the Joel flashback parts. I cant remember what cutscene it was in particular but I could tell that the original text was clearly attempting to phrase things in several ways but was directly translated in a way where characters just kept repeating themselves.

>>2108804
The writing is fine. That mega faggot on RPGCodex who wrote that it's "badly written" was just doing so to keep his credentials intact on a site that notoriously hates anything anime related and dismisses all games containing anything resembling it out of hand, no matter how good the actual gameplay and content is. So the guy writing the review just dismisses all the aesthetic and storytelling elements because the gameplay is so awesome he still wants to play it and get other people on that godforsaken site to play it, so he hyper focuses on it in his review. The game is actually pretty damn good writing wise, it explores its themes and sets up its characters and world quite well.

Every single major protagonist is dealing with abandonment in some form and I felt the game did a good job differentiating in how each one handled it. And Pascal was the perfect final villain for the game, as the world had utterly abandoned him altogether and his response was to become an absolute monster that betrayed everything he stood for, which contrasted him quite nicely with the heroes who handled the same rejection in better ways. Except Albus, of course, who will one day cause Ragnarok.

>>2108804
honestly anything even tangentially anime related gets religiously shat on by faggots that want to seem mature and cultured. The best example of this is how hard disco elysium gets sucked off despite having similar overall level of quality to an eastern VN.

nyoom

>>2108804
>Troubleshooter is the poster child for bad writing?
Is it? The story and setting were what gripped me the most on my first playthrough.
I don't think that it's bad at all.

>>2109053
>Except Albus, of course, who will one day cause Ragnarok.
His downfall is the one thing I'm looking forward to the most.

>>2109224
hah i never noticed the spoon statues flanking the altar before
cute

>>2108804
reviews are the poster child for bad writing, dandy could be nobel winners in comparison ^^

>>2109224
Albus will tear down the corrupt and the wicked by becoming the greatest villain the world has ever known, and after he destroys it all the entire series will end with a final 1v1 between him and Irene, with a throwback to her asking him if he's a villain.

>>2109410
Albus will take the mask of a spoonist.

>>2109224
He's literally talking about himself

>>2109435
>He's literally talking about himself
I'm glad someone else pointed this out, although I think doesn't refer to just one person. It refers to Sharky, and Albus, and Valhalla in a metaphorical way. It's a good line, it says something about both the speaker and the target, is relevant to the game's themes, and gives nuance to the game's conflicts. One of many examples of why I think this game's writing is very underrated.

>>2109435
He's comparing Albus to himself; his statement applies to both of them equally.

Sharky:
>leader of the spoonists
>well respected figurehead among his kind who supports those who've been abandoned by everyone else
>was planted into the role by Edward and replaced the original Sharky
>falls to Carter who in turn takes over his mask and replaces him

Albus:
>leader of [Your Company]
>well respected Troublehooter hailed as a hero after the subjugation of White Tiger
>deliberately and almost exclusively takes on dangerous cases that accelerate his climb through the ranks in order to gain access to government files about the catastrophe from 10 years ago
>hides a cold and calculating personality beneath his nice guy mask

They couldn't have made the connection any more apparent.

>>2108804
writing's alright, ESPECIALLY for an anime-esque strategy. those always tend to have absolutely abhorrent writing

>>2097993 (OP)
>Wow the valhalla government is evil
>Look outside
Why are all the fictional dystopias better than real life?

>>2110859
Nobody would believe such a retarded world if it wasn't real

Wont Yuri use his normal Cat and Dog in the sequel? Think they are going to get completely unique mastery boards?

>>2111405
They'll probably just be part of his character like Mono and Vivi are for Kylie

I just want to say i love big girls with big tiddies. That's all.

>>2111405
maybe we'll get a fun cutscene of them pilfering Sion's snacks

No one posted this yet? Alright
https://x.com/BraveDandyLion/status/1951974412023992787
"Many envy Lumi’s rapid rise under her Public Security Chief father. But none can meet the glare behind her red uniform, flowing blonde hair, and dark eyeshadow. At home, she tosses the wig and wipes it all away—just a woman shedding her armor."

Looks like we have Lumi redesign. Not really feeling it desu, the green lipstick's not doing it for me

>>2111606
>Not really feeling it desu, the green lipstick's not doing it for me
Yeah, it's not good. I know some here already were not digging the new character designs, but imo, this is the first actively bad design Dandy's put out, which makes it surprising. Maybe pushback will make them tone it down, there's still time.

>>2111606
I like left, but right is a pretty big downgrade from her concept art

>>2111606
It's over.

>>2111562
oh hey, I recorded that
>>2111606
right would be a 1000 times better if the eyes and lipstick were any other color. christ, what were they thinking?

>>2111606
uuhhhhhh
how did Lumi go from best design to worst

>>2111606
dandy either designs great shit like bianca or straight ass like leton. Looks like the coin landed on the leton side this time

>>2111606
Man... that's, uh, something.

>>2111606
That's a downgrade.

>>2111606
Thats a serious downgrade from the concept art.
I dont even really dislike the lipstick and contact lenses as an idea, but the color just clashes too much with her uniform. I would rather Dandy picked a color that matched with her, and maybe gave her a more controlled haircut/wig.

>>2111562
But that's a womanlet with big tiddies.

>>2111987
It's both the neon green color + her mouth is too wide with the lipstick. It makes it look like she applied it wrong and she's the Joker or something. Blue eyes + red lipstick goes better with her color scheme, and her mouth could be drawn smaller like this to emphasize the parts of her lips that have the lipstick on.

>>2112023
This looks way better, but I still don't get why they turned the hot soldier chick into a girl that uses contact lenses, a wig and makeup to attend to her military duties.

>>2111606
Actually hideous. First design I have actively, completely hated with every fiber of my being. She looks like a burnt out crack whore hitting her late 30s. Her original look was way, way better than that. What the fuck are they thinking?

>>2112023
Still looks terrible. Also really hate the whole "I wear a wig and colored contacts when engaging in battle", it's beyond retarded. This design is bad enough that it's making me have reservations about the game as a whole.

Noticed her fringe's brown, makes me think they originally planned her to have dyed her hair blonde. No clue why they went the wig thing, it's a pretty odd design choice.
Really curious that she went through such a drastic redesign, the first draft we got of her was already fully rendered.

>>2112523
I miss her already.

>>2112523
It wouldn't make sense for her to dye her hair then un-dye it at home and re-dye it the next day.
They should just have the new casual outfit turn into this one but without the brown fringe. They both look good, it's the new uniformed look that's a problem.
If they don't match that's even better, it'd exaggerate how she's becoming a different person when she puts on her "armor".

>>2112523
This looks so much better than the final draft it's unreal.

>>2112523
>pissy bitch thats weak to anal
>>2112023
>insane clown bitch
jfc what a downgrade

>>2112523
This one was my favourite out of new cast. I wouldn't call redisgn bad. But yeah. It's much worse. At least keep short hair. Please.

>>2113417
>I wouldn't call the redesign bad
Yeah it's far beyond that, it's actively horrendous and repulsive.

>>2113417
The casual redesign is fine but the military outfit is wtf tier

If you guys could pick one new game in a whole other genre, said in the Troubleshooter Universe, what would that game be?
Hardmode is no datingsim.

>>2115982
Yakuza style arpg.

>>2115982
>Hardmode is no datingsim.
a porn game then

>>2115982
A strategy game about the 3-sided war that ended with Valhalla's creation.

>>2115982
A Hired Gun like FPS. Since it focuses a lot on movement and killing gangers. It even had a summonable dog.

>>2115982
Something akin to Dishonored or Thief, where you play as an assassin or criminal. Make it so civilians can call for the police and troubleshooters to hunt you down if you get seen attacking someone. And then make the world change for the worse with the amount of police officers and troubleshooters you kill, while the killed criminals have no real drawback.
The powers in Troubleshooter already works well both for movements and giving a player solid tools to play with.

>>2115982
Fishing game

>>2115982
pokemans, ez

>>2116053
>can call for the police and troubleshooters to hunt you down
I just laughed thinking a civilian sees you, calls the troubleshooters and you get insta death by a sion gigaray from the other side of the city filling all your screen.

>>2115982
Spoonism tactical\gestional. You have to engulf the city with the flames of spoonism, recruit personel, sabotage, kill or recruit troubleshooters, act in the shadow. Kinda phantom doctrine but with the spoons.

>>2116708
The odds of Misty being in stealth right behind you is low, but never zero.

>>2115982
Sim City Valhalla.

>>2116770
>there is a non-zero chance she watches me jerk off
hot

>>2116712
...that actually sounds breddy gud

>>2116835
And you never check what happens to the cum stained tissue when you throw them away.

>>2104322
It works on everybody but you don't have the particularly interesting synergies for a full board until the end of base game and the DLC. Main niceties:
>tons of Vigor and recovery for it, Heixing and Giselle love this
>Professionalism/Vocation is an absurd amount of Speed
>buffs last forever and mental debuff immunity
>powerful effects on missing which works great with reaction attacks like -AT and buff roulette, Kylie gets it for free with Reactive Matrix, Giselle and Heixing lessen the sting of missing with their reaction attacks that cost AT and even Alisa sees some benefit with Anger Strike/Forestallment
>ignores a lot of Block/Dodge with Sharp Spirit and you also ignore a large portion of Block's damage resistance anyway with Ebullient
>Vocation + Green Old Age is a potent buff to all your skills damage
>The Will Beyond Extreme Will for dealing with reaction attack spam
>one person can run the Commander's Spirit buff stuff, or Renowned Commander
>actually find the +Overcharge stuff very restrictive with the rest of the board, but 50% damage reduction in Overcharge is one of the stronger effects, Alisa can do great things with it
Here's a couple builds, these ones I think I could figure out working outside of Limit Break, and my Ray too since it just uses Vocation, but my Alisa is engineered within an inch of her life even with LB.

>>2116979
Some other fun things:
>That Giselle killed the DLC2 mission with just her and one other person before my teammates even arrived, normally Vigor would be a problem for that but the board sustains her by itself
>That Heixing is great with an Anne White Mage backpack fueling his Impulse Fields and giving him more turns, the entire point is he gets his turn back off the reaction attacks which lets him spam Fixed Stance Sweeping Fire off of Re Mop-Up, very fun build

>>2116979
you absolute madman, much appreciated
might be time for an all-in ESP/Spirit playthrough
feels uncanny to see you post builds without Tough Spirit :DD

>>2118194
ESP builds are strong on nearly everybody. I'd carve out some caveats for Wind Albus outside of Limit Break, and I haven't played around with Ice Leton much. I've made strong and fun builds for everybody else.
>no Tough Spirit
Panic/Confusion are mental debuffs, right? Diligent Worker's immunity to those covers that. I find those effects to rarely be a problem even without it, situationally relevant for sure but I'm always hungry for fun synergies and I really like Bounding Stride too.

>>2118200
Confusion's not classified as a mental debuff, but almost no enemies inflict it so it doesn't matter. The main reason to run Tough Spirit or mental immunity is so you don't get Surprised/Contraction'd by Mungos.

nyoom 2: nyoom harder
this is not the limit

>>2118335
S-she's fast!

>>2118335
I really need her to kick me in the balls.

>>2118335
2 fast 2 dodge

>>2118335
Albus stands no chance on their next run together.

>>2118335
Impregnation.

>>2122223
infinite bloodbath turns > 322 speed

>>2122294
I dont think using infinite bloodbath is common practice when it comes to friendly jogs.

>>2122294
this is a barb, most of her running comes from when it's NOT her turn

>>2122230
>Impregnation.
*Repeated impregnation.
You can't just stop at one with a woman like that

>>2122334
>he doesn't double stab people while running to recharge his batteries
NGMI

>>2122874
>Implying is a decision *you* get to make.

>alisa is 7 years older than albus
why is this old hag flirting with a guy in his early 20s?

>>2122915
A dozen is a small army, nobody can handle that many!
>>2122961
This boy completely spills his spaghetti in front of her several times. It's only natural she teases him a little bit.

>>2122888
I exclusively build up speed by chasing women.

>>2123142
>>2123163
Fuck off both of you i am dying.

If you guys could pick one ESP type to have in real life, what would it be? I would probably pick water since it seems the most versatile and immediately useful.

>>2123589
>water
>all sorts of poison fart buffs
I'd pick Fire since it seems to be the most useful in everyday life without immediately giving you away as an esper freak (or causing terminal blood cancer).
Makes you virtually immortal too.

>>2123589
Definitely Earth.

>>2123589
I'd probably go for Water as well
I think in general the more defensive ESP types would be the best to have. Being able to clear debuffs in real life would be sick.

>>2123589
>>2123680 (me)
On the other hand, Fire would be incredibly useful
>has the same debuff clear as Water
>can make fires on demand in the wilderness, which is practical as fuck
>Phoenix can save you from misadventure (though in the lore, not all Fire ESP users can use Phoenix)

>>2123589
wind bros where we at
>Second Wind
>Second Wind
>Second Wind
run like a kenyan

>>2124367
You'll race against actual Kenyans and it'll be a tie and you'll be deported back to Kenya.

Energy Conversion
Flash
Energy Conversion
Flash
Energy Conversion
Energy Condenser
More flash than YOUR BODY HAS ROOM FOR

>>2125098
*Wind Walks behind you*

>>2123589
wasn't there a steam post by dandy saying that teenage esp users would their wind power to do mischievous shit like flaring up girls' skirt or something like that

>>2126755
>using wind esp to pull out bianca's anal beads in public

>>2127144
You underestimate her sphincter.

>>2127161
it would be like pulling excalibur from the stone

>>2127144
how did bianca get associated with anal?
and what are the other girls' fetishes?

>>2127267
It's not just her, the entire ojousama archetype is associated with anal. No idea what started it but at this point it just feels natural.

>>2127316
>tomboys are for anal
>villainesses are for anal
>ojousamas are for anal
who isn't at this point

>>2126755
Yeah
https://steamcommunity.com/app/470310/discussions/0/2949168687326265151/?ctp=194#c3600093929964332805

>>2127325
Tomboys are for gentle breeding in the missionary position while holding hands.

>>2127411
>play silly prank at at school
>school calls in paramilitary to kick you in the balls and call you a villain
fugggg :DD:D

>>2127452
>Tomboys are for gentle anal in the missionary position while holding hands.
Ftfy

>>2127267
She hits all the buttslut types
>tsundere
>very bitchy
>rich girl
>goth
>massive daddy issues
>hime cut
>strict home life
Only way she could be more anal coded is if dandy revealed that she was raised super christian

>>2127411
You can use as many ESP suppressants as you want in your school, But it wont stop a determined Spirit user from creating a black hole in the middle of the cafeteria.

>>2127515
>we're getting TS2 instead of draki high school
Isn't fair!

>>2127515
I don't think kids have the training to use Spirit yet, especially not to such a crazy degree. Even adult VHPD Suppressors can't use Spirit.

Does the anon who manages the /troubleshooter/ divegrass team lurk here?

>>2127603
>more or less immortal
>i hunger
>heroic autism
sensible_chuckle.png

>>2127603
>/troubleshooter/ divegrass team
What's that?

>>2127767
Divegrass AKA football is something that's been going on for almost 15 years on 4chan where people make teams of AI players that compete against each other. The main competition has teams based on board culture (which /vst/ has one), but there are invitationals where people make teams about whatever they want. Some anon made a really neat Troubleshooter team which is in that webm playing against a Kingdom Hearts team.

>>2127603
>>2127949
I knew about divegrass, but not that there's a /vst/ league let alone a Troubleshooter team. It even uses the in-game models, that's nice.
When do they play?

>>2127954
It's not a /vst/ league, it looks like the team has only been used for the Divegrass Before Christmas invitationals which are every December according to their wiki page https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//troubleshooter/

>>2127955
>Giselle
>Made for Negoori Tongues
kek

>>2118335
>speed
>base attack power
What's the limit anon, I wish to know

I'm thinking of getting this game while it's on sale. Never played Xcom or any Xcom-likes but I am a fan of both strategy and RPG games. Any reason why I wouldn't like this?

>>2130539
>Any reason why I wouldn't like this?
It's much more story- and character-based than similar games, with lots of cutscenes and flashbacks and stuff like that. Plus it's super linear. You can always go back and replay missions as much as you want, and some missions have alternate paths, but the main narrative is 100% on-rails. The start of the game is also arguably the worst part of the game, since the story takes a while to get going, lots of mechanics don't open up until later, and you've got a tiny squad so you get lots of missions with shitty generic police units filling out your team, which just isn't much fun IMO.

If none of that is a dealbreaker for you it's definitely worth playing.

>>2130573
>"We need to hire someone"
>"You're right, Albus"
>next mission has them workig with a cute autistic girl
>after the mission she just leaves
>"We need to hire someone"
>"You're right, Albus"

>>2130573
Some of that stuff does seem like it would annoy me but if the rest of the game is fun I can put up with it. I'll check it out, then. Thanks for the response anon

>>2130628
If it gets on your nerves you can always just switch difficulty down and trivially shitstomp missions until you've got the first five or six characters. I also recommend looking into the settings and switching off various notifications and confirmations in combat. Streamlines the experience a lot.

>>2115982
Isometric roguelite similar to SYNTHETIK, you get gear and build your mastery board as your run goes

>>2130573
>he doesn't enjoy larping as a vhpd doorkicker
sad
>target is resisting fiercely!
>target neutralised!
you can even get DSE from a striker spamming counterattack

>>2130539
>>2130573
>>2131002
I boughted the game and I've been enjoying it so far but you all were right about it having a slow start. It seems like every time Irene is about to join the party, she just kinda leaves.
I don't mind the generic police units, it's nice to have some consistent ranged damage when most of the name units are melee or rely on abilities for range and I don't feel bad about sacrificing them. Also they look cool and it's fun to do what >>2131422 says and play like it's a tacticool swat team instead of capeshit but korean.

>>2133920
You get access to more than just cops with guns. You also get riot shield cops, and Payday 2 Cloakers. Plus a named police unit that helps in a fair amount of missions.

>>2133920
eventually you get the only female NPC in the game as swat members. They suck ass though because their death screams are too erotic so you start suiciding them into enemies to hear it

>>2133982
>not using the strikers to knee Houcheng in the balls until he fucking dies
pathetic

>>2130539
>Any reason why I wouldn't like this?
None.

>>2133982
>They suck ass though
ENTER

>>2134175
Midgame VHPD are such chads. Once the Suppressors promote to Rangers they get Cover Move which you'd never notice without reading their board since they lack Base Defence, but if you have them conceal against cover it works. It's extremely cheesy on the sniper defence training map because pretty much everyone except the Strikers and Guardians will try to range them and fail.

>>2134175
Hag threesome with Jane and Giselle!

>>2134362
How many teen male troubleshooters has jane "kept on custody" for some steamy interrogatory room sex and molestation?

>>2134428
she no longer rapes teens after she met albus
now he is jane and giselle's weekend stress relief
see this cutscene cg? Yeah that's from albus' perspective

>>2134534
Bianca is on the other side of that glass, screeching like a cat wanting to be let in.

>>2134911
All the sparkly drops on the glass are actually splashback from the waterfall in her pants that occurs when she's near Miss Giselle

>>2134534
Seeing jane's arm i tought albus was under the table.

>>2127480
Making fires in school = arson
Lifting girl's skirts in school = sexual harassment
both of those are serious criminal acts deserving of paramilitary ball-kicking

>>2135705
God you have no idea how much i want irene to kick me in the balls till i fucking die.

>>2135705
Sex with female ESP users

>>2135705
Arson is based and heroic when Irene commits it.
Also you cant convince me that Bianca doesnt use her wind ESP to try and lift Giselle's dress up on the daily.

>>2135268
He is. But that is simply because he is hiding from the IRS.

Anne Wayne Macy

I can't stop thinking about Kylie in her daisy dukes

>>2137166
Accessing that butt.

the difficulty in this game feels so inconsistent
there are times when i've started scenario missions underleveled and cleared them without taking a single casualty, then there are times where i'm overleveled but end up getting half my team wiped by a single guy

DUDE
FOOD

>>2140304
For Human units there's a very small difference in power from levels alone. Mostly it just means you can equip more masteries, so if your build is good it doesn't matter if you're a lower level. Same thing applies to bosses and lategame enemies once even the scrubs start getting full builds.

>>2140304
difficulty is inconsistant because some enemies dick down specific builds while others job hard against the same build. Essentially if an enemy feels super easy you just lucked out by playing the strategy that best counters them. This becomes more apparent in DLC2 with red sand/mungo which predate on two different playstyles so one faction is usually pretty easy while the other is super hard.

>>2140304
did you get wiped by Ryo?

>>2140316
Awww he is so cute. He's like a little hungry doggie.

>>2140612
no I keep getting fucked by spoonist drones and those guys with like 127% block chance and the occasional sniper
Ryo did kill a lot of my guys during the port mission but I figured out pretty quickly that I just had to kite him around and use action time abilities so he couldn't do anything until the timer ran out
I'm going to take advice from >>2140441 and try changing up my builds a little bit and see if that makes any difference

>>2140742
>those guys with like 127% block chance
The trick with those guys is to use knockbacks to stun them. You can push them into adjacent units if there aren't any walls nearby.

>>2140742
Drones are pain in the ass early on since you don't have anything to counter them and machines designed to resist basically everything and there is so many of them. Sion with his bouncing lightning is very good here. Or any form of an AOE. Armorbreak works too, but it's better aganist more advanced late game robots.
>guys with like 127% block chance
Beyond just stun-push. Crits ignore block, IRC Irene has move that also outright ignores it.

>>2140781
>Crits ignore block
That's not true, it has to first pass the block check to crit at all. You probably meant autocrits like Sen no Sen, which do ignore block.

>>2140796
Just looked it up. Yeah you right. I always was under impression that all crits will ignore block. With some exceptions.

Offensive Anne is also good against robots since they don't have Earthform. I think.

>>2141378
Yeah they don't have defence against Earth so she's decent at killing small/remodelled Bicrons, but she suffers a bit once Damage Absorbing + Emergency Drive comes into play

>>2140742
ah rip
Piercing Strike / Breakthrough masteries are very handy there, or GS Albus, or Irene's Front Breakthrough
go back and kill Ryo when you can too, he drops some useful stuff

>>2140742
I recommend greatsword albus, he can get his block really high to cuck robitch damage and he has plenty of masteries for fucking up high damage enemies. Robots also suffer super hard from destroy armor/weapon since all their stats are from items that make up their build vs masteries and great swordsman inflicts it all the time.

Hey, I'm one of the autists who helps with the /vst/ board football team. The roster poll for Autumn is open now so if you guys have any suggestions for the team roster, let us know either in the thread or in the poll itself >>2144515

I don't understand the relationship between Giselle and Albus.
Did Giselle think Albus was incompetent or no?
Does Albus think Giselle was a good mentor or does he think she was a bitch?

>>2145075
Two words.
Ara ara

>>2145075
Giselle saw the potential in Albus but wanted him to grow on his own.
His laziness disappointed her, but she never stopped believing in his talents.
She felt betrayed when he eventually left the company after his training period.

Albus respects Giselle, but he does think of her as a bitch. He'd never admit it though.
In the first mission she appears in by attacking Albus from afar, he gains the "Rage" state after realizing her identity.

>>2115982
I don't play fighting games but I think the Troubleshooter setting would work really well for a fightan / beat 'em up game. Some of the character designs would fit perfectly in a fighting game and Irene could double as a mascot for it since she's a martial artist

>>2145075
Giselle was pushing Albus to learn strategic and managerial skills when he just wanted to run out and bonk villains with a sword, so he ragequit, and then he gradually realises between Twisted Skein and bicron pingpong that he really needs those skills to get anywhere
cue smug Giselle face

>>2116777
You play as the corrupt government, and the natural catastrophes you have to deal with is shit like a swarm of crabs, or angry chimps.

Is berserker worth using? It seems like it will fuck you over because it will force your melee units out of position but I wonder if there's any good synergy with it on Albus or Irene

>>2146851
It's good. There's a mastery set called Lunatic Beast (Aggression + Roar of Victory + Berserker + Indomitable Will) which causes it to reduce your AT when Berserker activates and increases the distance. A lot of melee units love that.
Later there's a mastery called Overwhelm which makes you automatically attack an adjacent enemy when you start your turn, which Berserker is really good at putting you in position for.

>>2146851
berserker is really good on irene in the early game

>>2129331
If stars align perfectly (which needs a ton of brutal RNG), it can potentially go up to over 400.

>>2147928
I need to be asphyxiated by those breasts.

>>2108804
I don't think the writing is bad and the characters themselves are pretty good, but it's how the story is presented that could use some work. There are a bunch of no-context VN segments before/after each mission that's supposed to show the broader plot but mean nothing to anyone who hasn't been keeping track of it all. It takes a while for characters like Marco, Leton, Carter, and Sion's family to actually become relevant to the plot (and it's told through those VN scenes) despite being introduced early on. And some important bits of information/background just sorta seem to come out of nowhere, like Kyle being a mafia princess or Giselle's existence and her background with Albus. The ESL translation doesn't do any favors for the presentation either.

>>2123589
Ice ESP seems like it would be terrible to have in real life just because it will slowly kill you without a constant antifreeze IV drip.

>>2148570
It kind of makes sense that Ice ESP is devastating to a warm-blooded mammal species mostly made up of water. I'm sure if rocks could use ESP they'd love ice. Meanwhile humans literally need to move water through their bodies to live and this ESP is specifically about the solid form of water. It's like a weird birth defect in ESP form, humans were not made compatible with this shit.

>>2148570
I think not every ice user automatically gets the blood freezing disease. It seems to only kick in when you overuse your ice ESP.

has there been any in universe explanation for how people can use swords and shit vs guys with guns? Or how thugs in streetwear can walk through bullet fire like it aint shit?

>>2148976
It just works.

>>2148976
*~<magic>~*

>>2148865
Im pretty sure Dandy stated at some point that every ice person will inevitably deteriorate from the ice ESP even if they dont use it. But overuse will significantly worsen your condition much sooner.

>>2140737
A hungry wolf, actually

>>2148976
masteries
cultivation wuxia magic x police counterterrorism procedural setting
does any SRPG explain HP vs deadly weaponry mechanics?

>>2148976
It's a typical storytelling element in games with guns. People can get shot 20 times and walk it off but if someone gets shot once in a cutscene they'll dramatically die on the spot, or at least get sent to the hospital on the verge of death.

>>2148976
The jackets in the game's universe are bulletproof and shock absorbent according to flavour text. That probably evens the playing field a lot before even getting into ESP.

>>2149418
>People can get shot 20 times and walk it off but if someone gets shot once in a cutscene they'll dramatically die on the spot, or at least get sent to the hospital on the verge of death.
Does this actually happen in Troubleshooter though? It seems like the only people we see getting downed with single bullets are the civilians who get killed by gang members but they obviously wouldn't have the equipment or training to survive that. There are several times when the game lets the player play out "unwinnable" fight sequences when they need a scripted death or near-death for the plot which is actually pretty cool compared to most games just having people die from getting shot once in a cutscene.

>>2149421
Damn, how much money is the white tiger gang making if they can afford to outfit all their members in bulletproof uniforms?

>>2149502
Well Albus gets sniped and ends up on death's doorstep. And of course the police officer who Anne fails to heal.

>>2149504
both of those were after prolonged combat so it makes sense were already fatigued and weakened from injuries they sustained, though it is possible to reach the first situation without ever taking damage during that mission

>>2149504
Albus doesn't actually get sniped. The shot we hear is Mert getting countersniped before he can actually make the shot. Albus ends up in hospital because he overexerted himself holding the Tigers off.

How does beast taming work?
If I tame an epic/elite beast, does it keep it's elite status?
Do the individual masteries I can choose from upon taming a beast dependent on the type of beast or are they random? Like lets say I wanted a Tima with Succeeded Rage, is that possible and would I have to keep taming Timas until I get one?

>>2150939
>How does beast taming work?
You target a beast with the tame command and there's an amount of AT you have to wait for the taming to complete, which depends on the current HP of the beast and the difference in level between it and Giselle (it's faster if Giselle is higher, slower if she isn't). If the beast takes any damage from any reason it breaks the tame and you either have to wait for the taunt to wear off (pain), reload a checkpoint, or kill it and just go for another one.
Once successful it joins your team permanently and Giselle can summon it to any map as long as the environmental conditions don't fuck it up (for example Yashas are banned on rain maps)
>If I tame an epic/elite beast, does it keep it's elite status?
Elites mostly lose their status, but epics and legendaries keep theirs. They don't get to keep the stat bonuses from them, but there are a bunch of beast masteries that refer to higher/lower ranks.
>Do the individual masteries I can choose from upon taming a beast dependent on the type of beast or are they random?
Both. There's a pool that each species can draw from, and you pick from those rolls when taming/evolving. It's not as bad as it sounds, because for a temporary small drop in loyalty you can retrain the beast and replace its Instinct and Training masteries with any from the full list that the beast has access to. Genetics masteries are more permanent, but in the postgame for DLC2 there's a way to change those too.

>>2145075
>Did Giselle think Albus was incompetent or no?
She outright tells Jane that the time they'd need to arrest the Skull gang leader could've been reduced by half a year if Albus hadn't left their company for his internship.

patch notes? in my troubleshooter?
>A unit acting automatically does not attack an beasts in taming state.
thank you sweet candylion

>>2148976
Because swords are cool and if you can tank all the bullets then once you are up close you are more dangerous. Phoenix and second/third heart can be used by basically anyone.
>>2149421
Bullet proof can't stop all rounds, and only the bosses are wearing top tier equipment

>>2151482
Units' HP does run out in this game. It just explains why they can take multiple bullets.

damn, we can't give the 14 year old girl alcohol anymore

>>2151577
I always thought that was just a non-alcoholic cocktail. Sucks that it was a mistake that Anne could drink it.

>>2151462
You didn't tame the beast.

>>2151462
If this extends to Overwhelm I'm going to be so happy

I just finished the base game content, there was a lot more than I was expecting but I feel a bit blueballed by the lack of resolution in the plot.
How much additional content in there in DLC1 compared to the base game?

>>2151836
It's 1 chapter with 3 violent cases and a couple of blue maps. The difficulty is quite a bit higher than the base game so prepare your anus.

>>2097993 (OP)
I feel abandoned bY GOD!

>>2151836
Two new playable characters, a fun new type of beast and a new group of opponents. Some of the hardest maps in the game (until DLC2).
A way better OST and comfier storytelling.

>>2151836
all of the best girls come from the DLC
>buttslut ojou
>shortstack invincible berserker
>smug gamer girl
all of them are fun as fuck to play with too

>>2151836
DLC1 is peak and free for some reason
get honked anon

>>2152188
The first DLC is free because Dandy felt they owed the players more game.

>>2151922
>all of the best girls come from the DLC
But Giselle, Anne and Irene are in the base game.

Would you guys want a non-playable teammate character in the sequel? Kinda like Futaba from Persona 5, who gives buffs and such, but doesnt actually fight.

>>2152799
I guess if it's some background character like Don Bruce it's fine. I don't really see the point though.

Do you ever have times where you can't eat cucumbers? How do you overcome that difficultly and get your cucumber eating ability back?

>>2152799
Draki Egg close enough for you?

>>2152882
When I run out of cucumbers. I overcome it by buying more cucumbers.

>>2152799
The AI VHPD annoyed me to no end in the defense missions when they would constantly shuffle around and expose themselves to get killed instead of just staying behind cover and using the still stance hit bonus so I would only like it if the non-playable teammate didn't have AI that would work against you. But like the other anon said, there doesn't seem like there's much to a point to it especially if it takes up a team member slot.

>>2152882
Irene is flat in her default outfits but the DLC outfits seems like they give her some small breasts
Is she going to get bigger as she gets older?
Anyways I never really liked cucumbers, but I love celery and carrots

>>2153247
>Is she going to get bigger as she gets older?
Doubt. She's already 19 at the start of the game.

>>2152799
Not necessarily. It'd make sense for a Troubleshooter company to hire backup off-site, but even Kylie the 'hacker' gives you on-site information on enemy locations and such.
A non-combatant unit wouldn't really work in Banished Children's rural setting from what we've seen.
>>2153247
Irene is a flattie for life.

>>2153247
No she must be the her amazing womanlet dork self forever!

>sequel comes out
>alisa and bianca make a cameo
>alisa is now a tanned brown tomboy after all the time in the mountains
u rike?

>>2153853
no

>>2153857
>I only eat raw meat
so close yet so far

>>2147928
I wish I understood how speed and action time actually worked.
Is her speed fast enough to get consecutive turns at that point?

>>2153853
she's supposed to be the white lion, it wouldn't make sense for her to turn brown

>>2097993 (OP)
Red pandas are too good for this world.

>>2097993 (OP)
>thread is 2 months old
Has this ever happened before?

>>2154477
It's not that unusual. There's been nothing new to discuss for a long time apart from the occasional Banished Children concept art, but /vst/ is a low board so the occasional post now and then is enough to keep the thread alive.

>>2154477
Yes, this board is that dead.

>>2154414
Too fierce for this world

>>2097993 (OP)
I want the Irene fangirl character to use an Anteater as her mascot, since it has a similarly funny fighting pose as the Red Panda.

>>2154309
you can't go below 36 action time no matter the speed, so unfortunately, no
The ever increasing amounts of speed are just to flex at this point

>>2154477
I might start another playthrough soon, I never did one where I kept the level cap on. Technically I never finished my Limit Break playthrough either but that just has Pascal's Destron Hell left and I didn't feel like doing it.

>>2154571
>hey there, big guy

>>2154477
2 month old thread with almost no buildposting
it's ogre

>>2154309
The formula in that picture is wrong, I don't know if that's an old version of the help menu or what, but this is the AT code from the game (addtime is cast delay).
Essentially the way to think about it is like this:
>base AT is 18
>at 100 speed you add 36 to it (for 54 AT turns) which you can think of as the baseline for your headmaffs
>at 200 speed you add 18 to it (for 36 AT turns), double speed = half number added
>at 50 speed you add 72 to it (for 90 AT turns), half speed = double number added
No matter what there's a lower limit of 36AT from speed and cast delay (if there was a negative cast delay), but masteries that trigger at turn end like Best Condition can get around that. There's also an upper limit of 360 during your turn, which you can see if you Strong Slowdown white clown masks

>>2155441
>I don't know if that's an old version of the help menu
it's the current version of the help menu lol
I think it's just another happenstance of the poor translation this game got though, whoever did the translation probably didn't understand the maths behind it themselves or couldn't properly communicate it in English.

>>2155228
I'll start theorycrafting and posting builds once I unlock all masteries and discover all sets

>>2154309
>>2155441
>>2155449
Those formulas are the exact same thing mathematically. Just one had the brackets worked out and the other doesn't. The outcome is the same either way. I don't know why they wrote it two different ways, but it's not Dandy who doesn't understand maths here.

total negoori death

How does the ranged/ESP damage from battlemage Pikachu compare to black mage Pikachu?
I've been running him as a black mage but the extra survivability from battlemage is looking appealing for these harder missions. He already does an absurd amount of damage and I haven't actually been using much of the black mage class masteries but rather just lightning, elementalist, and common masteries on him. I don't think I'm going to use many of the battlemage class masteries on him too if I do switch since he's too good at ranged/area damage. I guess I'm just asking if the two extra defense slots are worth giving up the attack and ability slot.

>>2156065
battlemage is less of a
>delete this now
and more of a
>i am invincible!
class, but still plenty capable of ohko most enemies with fat stacks of CMP and/or Flash

>>2156065
If I had to pick between them I'd say Battle Mage is probably better, Black Mage's offense is overkill for most stuff, Battle Mage has enough to kill most things and it can also be very tanky even before considering the man has Furious Lightning Gale.

>>2156174 (me)
Though Black Mage can be pretty tanky as well, it's just not to the same extent. Bianca has Wind masteries making her have much more damage reduction than Sion is capable of getting and she'll still eat shit in a few hits pretty often. Meanwhile Battle Mage just doesn't fucking die.

>>2156065
I'd say Battlemage's ranged damage is mediocre by Sion standards but it's still comparable to Heixing or a juiced up Ray. Battlemage can use Fighter masteries so it does really well in melee range though, especially with his kick attacks.

I don't usually care for OC autism but for some reason Troubleshooter has compelled me to make a few of my own.
If I could draw then I would draw her.
r8 my donut steel

>>2156369
kino

i wonder

Tell me about Sharky. Why does he wear the mask?

>>2157251
While he can share all the meals he can't share all the burdens. He's gonna carry that weight alone.

>>2157251
maybe he used to be a clown

>>2157251
Because nobody cared about him before he put it on.

>>2157553
If I pulled it off, would he die?

>>2157633
It would trigger Phoenix

>>2157251
Sharky?

>>2157553
Have we started the feast?

It seems like there could be some fun synergy between Iron Wall + Ranger Heixing (with Cover Move) + bonding.
Especially since some maps are clearly designed to have areas without cover to screw you over. So being able to set up cover anywhere to take full advantage of Cover Move seems like it could be pretty cheesy.
Who should I turn into an iron wall gimp slave though? I'm thinking Leton since he's already pretty tanky and doesn't have anything like Lone Hero to justify not keeping him around other team members.

>>2159258
You're thinking along the right track, but Battlemages have Magic Shield which is a toggle version of Iron Wall that still lets you move and attack so you don't have to sacrifice a unit to have mobile cover. Martial Artist Leton has a secret ice version as well (Ice Castle + Ice Shield + Iron Wall + Endless Training) that functions similarly.

tfw no Iron Wall Grenadier Ray memebuild

>>2159459
Maybe a Counter-based build would let you still get use out of Iron Wall on her without totally crippling your turn economy
>Unpredictable
>Revenge
>Riposte
>Street Fighter
>HP, HP and more HP

The visual of magic armor and iron wall is very amusing to me. It makes sense for the VHPD defenders since they have shields, but it's silly to think of someone "taking cover" behind another person that doesn't have any real protective equipment.
Especially if said person is a small woman, you expect me to believe Irene can be considered a "full cover landmark" for Heixing when she's like half his size?

This might be useful to people here. I was digging in the code to find out whether Nightstalker is really as useless as it sounds, and it turns out the description is just exceptionally incorrect.
What it says:
>The following effects take place if it is Evening, Night or Dark Indoor
>If you attack an enemy who is in Hide status when you're in Hide status, the damage you inflict is increased by 100%
What it actually means:
>If you attack an enemy while you're in Hide status at night, your damage is increased by 100%
It's way better than it sounds even if the damage is still pretty conditional.

>>2159875
Huh, that's a completely different meaning and actually pretty good on Misty in that case.
I wonder if there's anything else lost in translation.

>>2159774
Irene's magic aura is strong enough to make up for her smol size.

>>2160215
Irene not smol!
Irene fun sized!
I want to hug irene and lift her up.

>>2160215
She's got ESP!

>>2160234
>troubleshooter
>is trouble

>>2160234
I want to inappropriately manhandle irene during an arrest. Imagine all the touching while fisking her.

>>2160588
this would imply anyone finds her attractive enough to sexually harass her

>>2160594
You are shitting me right? I would harrass her every waking moment.

>>2160234
There goes my hero
Watch her as she goes
There goes my hero
She's ordinary

https://x.com/BraveDandyLion/status/1973569507949158488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Oj4KdvId8
>posted 12 hours ago
Still not a fan of the lipstick, but that's mostly because I liked her original design so much.
Nice character theme, thoughever. New development update next month.
What news are you looking forward to, /tsg/?

>>2160665
I had a dream about a week ago where they revealed Irene's sister Eunomia as a party member and haven't been able to stop thinking about it since.

>>2160665
the green makeup looks ass and it's the kinda thing that could be fixed in a few seconds with a color replace tool
sadly it seems like her designed has been finalized
i don't think weird makeup, colored contacts, and dyed hair would be suitable dress code for any sort of military or law enforcement personnel
maybe there's some sort of lore reason for those colors, or maybe dandy's character designer was huffing paint

>>2160665
Stop trying to defend such an atrocious and aesthetically repulsive design. It's garbage. Easily the worst character they've ever made, which is doubly terrible since her original design was at least passable. How do you iterate from something decent to that travesty?

>>2160694
Get over yourself lmao, I'm not "defending" anything. I just posted a news update.
>>2160670
>fashion designer from the City joins your group of outcasts in the wilderness
I can't see it, personally...

>>2160757
In my dream she was part of the witches' cult with influences from the art in the Witch of Dawn video. It doesn't really fit what little we know of her character, but that's dream logic for you.
Oh shit they renamed the video to "Claudia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqFE0gW9tZo

>>2160665
i like the percussion on that song
would probably be hype as fuck to hear in-game

What class and SP combinations are you looking forwards to most in the sequel or would like to see?

I personally want fire ESP black mage just so I can throw massive damaging fireballs at niggas. It seems like there might be one in Banished Children (Claudia).
An earth ESP swordsman or fighter also seems like it would be fun as well, being able to use the blocking bonus from earth SP to it's fullest and casting defensive buffs.

>>2160823
I really want a water Great Swordsman. Rogue Misty is so close to it that it hurts.

>>2160823
I want a Spirit Battlemage. I am a Young Master and you will surrender your jade like beauties to me!

>>2160934
You court death.

>>2160934
Banned combination. They could always change it, though.

>>2160768
>the witches' cult leading Valhalla from behind the scenes
Complex lore... I'd like some sort of callback to Irene, but I suppose our MC's obsession with the red panda will suffice.
>Claudia
Nice song. Who was that again?
>>2160791
True. KaZing doesn't disappoint.

>>2160952
>Who was that again?
Black-haired witch party member

>>2160958
Oh, the cutie. I still can't remember the new names.

>>2160959
That's a different chick. I want her to be playable too though.

why do I need so much fucking FLAME DUST for crafting shit
I've extracted it from bunch of my materials and I still come up short when crafting weapons
should I just drop 50k vill on flame fragments from the gem store and extract flame dust from that?

>>2160981
>should I just drop 50k vill on flame fragments
No reason not to, there's nothing to spend money on besides crafting materials once you get some decent gear from bosses.

>>2160981
If you've been disassembling weapons and stuff you can also extract it from primal flames. Same goes for all the other psi stone related materials. You need to unlock the ability to craft the higher ones by crafting the lower ones before it'll let you disassemble higher tiers of them, but that's not a problem once you know you need to do it.

Since I've managed to wrangle my PC issues for now, here's a build I've been screwing around with.
>Veteran is unnecessary because Warming Up gives physical immunity and Delicate Dance allows his cooldown to recover quickly enough to keep it up all the time
>Tough Spirit would be nice, but it uses his High-End Antifreeze personal mastery to cleanse debuffs at the start of his turn
>Spams mental debuffs and gets his turns back quickly with Quick Grasp + Altruist
>Draki's Perfect Scale in the gear slot for its broken as fuck effects
Pretty much it's an unfair AT manipulator build that feeds the party AT with finales and recovers its own AT when allies kill stuff. Don't play with Body/Mind Unity enabled because he'll become Exhausted in no time.

>>2160981
buy the next shipment from the Fortress of Suffering, repeat
or send Heixing out with an extractor

>>2160981
I think the cheapest conversion is Chipped Primal Flame but don't quote me on that.

>>2161452
>I think the cheapest conversion is Chipped Primal Flame but don't quote me on that.

>>2161454
Now I'll never recover from the shame if I'm wrong.

Starting a new run. Don't even know how many playthroughs it's been now.

>>2160665
>https://x.com/BraveDandyLion/status/1973569507949158488
>another apology

>>2160848
Ryo is going to be playable in BC so there will be no water great swordsman unfortunately unless Dandy makes one later.

>>2160823
What I'm looking forward to is an Earth Tima (not Pascal's experiment) since Dandy still owes us a proper Silver boss fight.
Other than that, I'm excited to see any new combination of classes and SP types. ESP swordsmen are always interesting, and we only ever fight them for single violent cases while the vast majority of enemies are Spirit SP niggas.
Also, what HER element will be.

>>2161564
I'm pretty sure she'll be wind, but I have nothing to back that up.
>What I'm looking forward to is an Earth Tima (not Pascal's experiment) since Dandy still owes us a proper Silver boss fight.
That reminds me, I was looking through enemy data recently and discovered Dandy has level 60 variants of tons of beasts for an un-implemented beast joint training mode.
This is Dandy's version of an endgame Silver.

>>2161566
They also have an "endgame" version of a Draki Hatchling with Eggshell for some reason even though it has no attacks besides its self-induced Hibernation. I think Dandy was just having a laugh.

>>2161569
lmao

>>2161569
About to Humpty-Dumpty some bodies into a ditch.

>>2161564
The new girl is a 13\10 hottie and is also an irene fan, just perfect.

>>2161564
>Also, what HER element will be.
I've looked through every bit of concept art and updates I could find and there's nothing that definitively shows what SP she could have. But I think she's going to be a spirit user and not an ESP user.
While the class requirements for Archer can't be found in Abandoned Children, we can assume that it probably doesn't have an ESP requirement since one of its advanced classes is Hunter and we can see that doesn't have an ESP requirement.
(Having beast taming unlocked early on in BC would be nice.)

She's likely not a wind user since Bianca's uncle is going to be playable, and he's already confirmed to be a mage, and is probably a wind user himself since ESP seems to be genetic. Nor does her naming and visual motif doesn't fit with the previous wind users. And having a wind ESP user as the first character again would be kinda boring.
Hannah seems to be a fire user judging by hair color (red) some of her art which have embers in them, so despite being an Irene fangirl she's likely not fire. I don't think Dandy would have duplicate ESP elements in the first several party members.
I couldn't really find anything linking her to water, earth, or lightning, also I don't think a ranged weapon user would be an earth ESP user.
Judging by color I would say she's could be an ice user but the spirit users of AC were also white/sliver. Hexing and Alisa had white hair, Giselle had silver eyes.
Her other advanced class is Bard which if it's a "performance" class like clown/dancer/singer/superstar then that means she is a bangle user and thus ESPer, but there's no information on what Bard is so that's probably not the case. I don't think Dandy is going to do multiple weapon types, at least not for the starting party member and there's no art of her using a bangle.

If she turns out to be a wind user when the early access (hopefully) comes out next year you can screencap this post and laugh at me for typing all this out.

/autism

>>2161620
Nothing says they can't double up on ESP types. Even Abandoned Children has both Albus and Bianca as wind users.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgVOAkpcU4
her music is cute too

>>2161620
>Her other advanced class is Bard which if it's a "performance" class like clown/dancer/singer/superstar then that means she is a bangle user and thus ESPer, but there's no information on what Bard is so that's probably not the case
Bard doesn't have an ESP requirement in Abandoned Children's code, so Spirit is still in the running. I also think she might be Spirit now that I'm thinking about it more, because I vaguely remember Dandylion saying something like "There's a reason why she looks so similar to Alisa".

Heixing bro... Pls....

>>2161620
>and there's nothing that definitively shows what SP she could have
I think that's the case for every character (except Ryo for obvious reasons).
They gotta keep some things secret for later reveal trailer.
I'm pretty sure that she's going to be Spirit SP since "elemental hunter" sounds too unusual and would probably not work well in combination with every beast type. (A fire SP hunter and an Ice SP beast would basically negate each other's debuffs afaik).
>>2161631
Very nice theme.
>>2161620
>Hannah seems to be a fire user judging by hair color
The Irene lookalike will 100% be a fire SP Barbarian, screencap this.

>>2161662
>Her basic class is Shielder, and her advanced class will be Guardian and Highlander.

>>2161677
Wasn't it Barbarian Warrior in another update? Hmmm... don't screencap this post, mayhaps.

>>2161677
They've said she'll be Highlander/Barbarian in a more recent post

my guesses for all the new playable characters sp:
>ari: spirit
>hannah: fire
>yuri: wind
>tyra: lightning
>gravis: earth or spirit
>claudia: earth
>azul: water
>lumi: spirit
>sable/reed (i think they changed his name): spirit
>faye: ice
and ryo is obviously spirit, but of course we already knew that.

i don't really like how the fire user is a melee tank again, same thing with a wind mage and spirit sniper but i guess no element really works with sniper.
sable/reed as a spirit rogue would be pretty fun though if bc has all the same spirit masteries as ac.
azul could be cool with his magic spearman class

>>2161690
gravis is the barbarian and warrior guy

>>2161696
>>faye: ice
Anyway, my guesses are
>Ari: Spirit
>Hannah: Fire
>Gravis: Earth
>Claudia: Lightning
>Yuri: Wind
>Azul: Water
>Lumi: Spirit
>Tyra: Spirit
>Reed: Earth
>Faye: Water

>>2161696
>i guess no element really works with sniper.
Lightning sniper would be cool, firing huge lightning bolts from the rifle. But they redesigned Lumi too much for me to think she could be anything except Spirit.

>>2161702
>>Claudia: Lightning
In AC it says that only wind, water, and earth elementals can be witches and shamans so unless they change it she's probably not lightning.
I feel like she's earth because of the moon motif which she shares with Anne, but she's goth enough to be a wind user. A water witch would be fun to see though.

>>2161713
The main reason I think she's lightning is because she's got a lightning psi-stone on her staff in >>2160958

>>2161696
>tyra: lightning
A lightning gun(wo)man would be neat; anything but another spirit gunner.

The Irene friendship debuff towards Heixing doesn't apply if you put an alternate outfit on him, that's a neat little detail

>>2161858
Oh that's really cool. I thought about this before.

>>2161858
>it's real
BASED

>>2161858
So the real reason were never getting a bikini costume dlc, is because it would make Irene unhappy.

>>2161908
if they wanted to make it consistent with the game logic that's already there, the bonding reduction would only apply when the other girl characters are wearing bikinis (and for the guys in their swim trunks). make it a tradeoff between having sexy outfits and increasing bonding progress with the main hero
as for irene herself, she could just get a one-piece swimsuit or i guess even a wetsuit if she's that autistic
it does seem a bit silly for the girl who wears fishnets on her arms to be concerned about "overexposure" though, but i guess that's what autism does a nigga

Bianca's anus....

Alisa's butthole...

>>2161858
Heixing in budgie smugglers safe y/n?

>>2162015
>>2162051
stinky

at last, 52V solo without healing and in under 30 minutes, with all modifiers on

>>2160665
I keep coming back to this catchy theme. Even if I'm not too fond of her new design, that soundtrack absolutely gives me hope for BC's overall quality.

>>2162206
I'm going to forgive Dandy for the atrocious design of Lumi in her uniform since they've consistently delivered top-tier character designs throughout AC and the development of BC. This is the first time they've doubled down on a "what the fuck is that" design, they even got rid of the weird skull face paint Leton used to have from his original design in 2016. And if they haven't already drawn a bunch of CG with that design then it wouldn't be too late for them to change it.
Her casual outfit is still really good and that's probably what we'll be seeing the most once she joins the party, especially since the Black Mountain public security team are supposed to be a villain faction.

And I don't think BC is going to be a bad game at all, at least visually it's going to be a straight upgrade from the sneak peeks at the enemy models new Giselle model, plus they've shown better animations. It would be fine if they ported most gameplay systems straight from AC with minimal changes, I just hope they don't listen to all the retards on Steam forums suggesting that the game should just be a 1:1 Xcom clone.

>>2162335
>especially since the Black Mountain public security team are supposed to be a villain faction.
That makes her design make a lot more sense to me. She might be an outright enemy in her crazy makeup and then get cleaned up when she defects.

>>2162351
Decent idea, would be the first time an actual "enemy" joins your party. You never even fought Leton while he was working alongside Carter.

>>2162355
>he didn't fight Leton, Ray, Irene, Alisa and Bianca during the spoonist intro mission
ngmi

>>2162150
solid effort Alisanon
Liberated?

>>2162627
>Liberated?
yeah, also been trying to see how phys resist 3 compares to simply running keen sense + diligent worker, which I've experimented with while trying to reach higher speeds
a smarter person would simply use a perfect scale, but us full zerker set ungatards are allergic to intelligent thoughts

I wanna try making a blockmaxx Albus build with intent of maximizing the AT reduction from weapon blocking and getting max stacks from opportunist as fast as possible.
The thing is, Albus has high base dodge and a lot of his higher-tier equipable items have dodge in their base stats. On top of that, wind veil increases his dodge against melee attacks even if the other effects it gives would be worth it. And all this is an issue because each attack he dodges is an attack he can't block. So it's a conundrum to minimize dodge and maximize block.
Then there's the issue of getting 100% block, which can either be done through just stacking block masteries and items, or using final resistance and keeping him at low health. Both of these have their upsides and downsides. It would probably be easier to build around final resistance but trying to keep him below 1/3 HP at all times without also being too vulnerable would be annoying.
And this entire build is kinda dumb anyways since most Albus builds are already pretty fast and/or have plenty of AT reduction so making an entire build around weapon blocking is a bit pointless. I just think it would be fun to throw Albus in the middle of a bunch of enemies and have him get a bunch of turns from tanking their attacks.

>>2163492
I lost that save. But i did something similar with Great Swordsman, on my first playthrough. It functioned really well, right up until second dlc.

Is there any reason to ever use the standard classes instead of the advanced ones?

>>2163504
No, but it's worth getting them to level 16 for their mastery unlocks.
Maybe if the basic class has a really good inherent mastery it could be worth using over an advanced one, but it would have to be good enough to make up for the loss in mastery and ability slots.

Magic Knight Albus would be so much better if he had a melee attack that did wind damage and had good ESP scaling.

>>2163492
As the game progresses enemy accuracy gets high enough that he'll get hit plenty. Around the end of the vanilla game enemies start to use Prior Planning and Tactical Reform to be almost undodgeable.
>>2163522
There's a mastery called Call of Wind from raising a wind draki that lets you convert non-wind attacks into wind attacks. But it's not really an issue for most MK builds because the class mastery is so kickass for hybrid builds.

>>2163492
I've actually done a memebuild like that before to make kind of a pseudo Barbarian. It uses Lunatic Beast for 15 AT reduction when hit, Sword of Protection for 30 AT on block and Distorted Heart for 10 AT when copying an enemy's buff (which happens pretty much all the time in the lategame)
As you identified, getting to 33% HP without dying is kind of challenging. You could put Impulse Fields in to make it a lot more likely to safely get that low if you didn't bother with Distorted Heart and have 1 Defence slot to spare for something else. Second Heart maybe, which revives at 33% and guarantees that you come back in Final Resistance HP.
The build is very viable and it kicks ass in 58V which a lot of people consider to be a very annoying map.

>>2163492
>>2163580
Here's his items and stuff

>>2163492
I did the same sort of thing on my playthrough.
As others said eventually enemy hit gets high enough that you don't have to worry about dodging.
You want the Eluote which drops from Ralph. You can get it as early as level 18 and keep it for the entire game. Gives 15% block + 1% per swordsman/great swordsman mastery, which adds up to a lot by the end.

AT reduction through blocking is great overall, because the endgame of AT reduction is off-turn AT reduction. Minimum AT at the end of your turn caps out at 36, but AT reduction that happens off the unit's turn can go all the way down to zero. In other words, Albus can end his turn with 36 and block a bunch of shit to take his turn again. Irene can do the same thing especially with Hero.

>>2097993 (OP)
Before I buy: is this a Gacha game?

>>2163602
no
It has some sort of optional online element but it can be played entirely on your local machine if you want

>>2163602
It's anything but.
No microtransactions, the first DLC is completely free and between that and the base game there's already roughly 100 hours of content. The devs are way too generous with the pricing.

>>2163492
Sounds like you need a Yasha helper.

>>2163660
>throw web grenades on your own units
>haha they may have -75% dodge chance, but it's all according to plan!
The "What the fuck am I doing" build

>>2163582
is the basic hp potion an essential part of the build?

>>2163795
You could swap it out for a more powerful one, but it's the same kind of mindset as Barbarian potions: You want one that heals just enough to keep you going, but not powerful enough to heal you above Final Resistance's threshold (around 1050 HP for that Albus)

>>2163795
NTA but a bigger potion would take him out of Final Resistance and get him killed, i usually run Alisa with a blue or green hp potion for just that reason

I achieved one of my longstanding goals of killing Silver when first running this map in a playthrough
Party is level 21, 21, 20 and 17
It was actually a lot easier than I thought it would be. Silver hurts like fuck and has tons of HP and armour/resistance, but his accuracy is pretty mediocre - around 72% before Still Stance.
Most of his HP was removed by Albus using his wind ESP as a Magic Knight, which did around 300 HP per turn and another 250ish from Forestallment when I triggered Silver's berserker in range of that. Irene does pretty good damage too (around 400 per hit of her fire wheel carriage), because of fire SP boosting her damage, and my one has Fire Bolt for an extra 100 flat whenever she whacked him. The cops mostly just helped with suppression and an initial blind.
The part I thought would be scariest was when Silver's Second Heart activated because there's no way to keep him blind through that, but actually it was trivial because 33% HP is low enough that his AI prioritised trying to run away and heal rather than fight, so he didn't actually attack anyone. If he had, I hoped sitting in the bushes would be good enough to keep his accuracy at a reasonable level.
I got Massiveness for my trouble, but he did drop 16 monster fangs too which is kind of nice.

>>2163823
>but actually it was trivial because 33% HP is low enough that his AI prioritised trying to run away and heal rather than fight
this is interesting considering he should have predator so going for a kill should give him a big heal, though i can see why dandy didn't code a check in the ai for it try to take advantage of something like that when an enemy needs to heal.
and fire bolt is extremely strong early/mid game when 50/100/200 damage is significant, i get why people say it's bad late game but early game irene is a beast with fire bolt

also when trying to get webms to fit under the 4mb file size limit it's probably better to reduce the framerate before nuking the resolution/compression

>>2163823
new goal acquired

>>2163823
Congratulations!

>fat npc has massiveness
kek

>>2163911
Wait until you meet the actual government spy NPC.

Since you used to only be able to get catharsis from killing Bianca in the plaza mission prior to DLC1, I was thinking a few days ago about how diabolical it would be if Dandy made it so the only way to obtain a certain mastery was by killing a civilian that had it. Imagine tanking your reputation and failing a bunch of missions just to unlock a single mastery that may not even worth it.

>>2164472
That'd be a game design failure on several levels.

>>2164472
That would be peak game design on several levels.

>>2164472
>Since you used to only be able to get catharsis from killing Bianca in the plaza mission prior to DLC1
man I never knew that. I remember killing bianca immediately because she was such a cunt. Now I feel bad because after DLC1 she is easily best girl

>>2164521
That's me turned into pepe through witchcraft.

>>2164521
I want to be hugged like that by bianca.

>>2164472
>Since you used to only be able to get catharsis from killing Bianca in the plaza mission prior to DLC1
This is wrong, by the way. Darius of the White Tigers drops it too.

>>2160823
After playing some more I realized I also want a water ranger. Imagine how fast one could gain water SP with cover move on certain maps, plus it would be absolute poison debuff hell on enemies. And the dodge/smoke synergies. It's perfect. Dandy will probably never give us one just because of how perfect it would be.

Even though it's not allowed, a fire witch would be incredibly fun as well just for the phoenix + vindictive soul combo. Other witches can use second/third heart obviously but those aren't as good as phoenix's mastery sets. Maybe there's a class yet to be revealed that can use witch masteries and fire SP for this combo.

>>2162701
expanding on this a little - actually splitting up the item set to slot in the perfect scale seems to work pretty well and allows you to be more liberal with your board. In most endgame violent cases you won't even get to the final resistance threshold because of shenanigans like webmrelated

If there's one gripe I have with this game, it's that Dandylion removed the infinite duration of Petrify on this Negoori in the first Draki map.
The way it works now, he'll wake up after a few turns of AT and essentially alert every Draki on the map, turning a nice, tactical violent case into a brutal slaughter for survival. Makes it harder to explore and reach the hidden entrance into the second violent case as well because all of the enemies swarm towards your party at once.

why are unhatched draki eggs targeted by overwatch wtf

What are the best orange items (or purple items with special effects) that I should be looking out for?
Seems like a lot of orange items don't actually have any cool bonus effects but just have a lot more stats, which makes them useless if they're a low level.

>>2164676
>turning a nice, tactical violent case into a brutal slaughter for survival
I feel like this was the intention behind both draki maps given the sheer amount of enemies. Same with most other violent cases. You're supposed to just hunker down in a defensible spot and slaughter the horde of enemies that come after your team instead of clearing out each area one by one. Hence the "violent".

>>2164958
Pretty much anything 45+ is going to be good for a very long time and I still see people deliberately using items from that tier even in minmaxed parties.
Lower levelled items that are still worth considering (most aren't worth farming unless you get spoonfed them or have a particular memebuild in mind):
>Eluote (Ralph's sword, used in defensive Albus memebuilds)
>Blood-red Ogre Wrist Guard (Chang's wrist guard, gives bleed immunity, very useful but gets outclassed by Demolisher wristguards)
>Professional Hunter's boots (Jeff's boots, field effect immunity is great for Giselle and Sweeper Heixing)
>Pink Horn (Pink Horn's umbrella/sword, don't bother farming it if you're 40+ because it falls off at your level range, but it's an incredible weapon for Magic Knights until you can get a Pulse Blade of Darkness from Yuranxiang)
>Breaking Sword (Ryo's sword from the docks story mission, it's the equivalent of Pink Horn but for Great Swordsman and lasts a bit longer before it falls off)
>Cleaning Agent's Boots (Felix's boots, inherent +2 move distance, can roll up to +3)
>Bonaparte Bracelet LE (Brad's bracelet, inherent +10 speed)
>Pulse Blade of Darkness (Yuranxiang's sword, inherent +485 ESP, incredible for Magic Knights even much higher than its level suggests)
Pretty much every unique item in 46V is worth a damn, but special mention goes to Hellfire's bangle which removes enemy buffs on crit, and his Jacket too which provides Tough Spirit's effects on an armour piece (VERY useful if you don't want to run Tough Spirit on a bunch of people's endgame builds). His bangle has fire bonuses but I've seen people run it on pretty much anyone who can use bangles because its effect is just so good.

>>2164973
Ah, I knew about most of those already except for hellfire's bangle, is that guy not a guaranteed spawn in 46v? Farming him seems like a pain then

>>2165006
he's guaranteed unless you're playing babby difficulty

>>2164973
>Professional hunter's boots
pity Giselle and Heixing bro~ both wear shoes
Ray, now, Ray loves some field immunity boots

>>2164676
damn i thought that map felt different
maybe they should start him with 999 AT or have him stumble into the map partway through

>>2165104
I could have sworn there was field immunity shoes too

>>2165104
>>2165187
Ah it's a craft, not a drop. That's what threw me.

>>2165178
Sion in shambles
>>2165195
huh, don't think i've ever used those, might have saved some tooth-gnashing
and goddamn does the crafting interface need to be a spreadsheet or database
>want to find or compare something?
>scroll x 10000
>squint

>>2165178
Imagine hugging and molesting irene like that.

>>2165187
There are, I've used them on half my party until the endgame. Not sure who drops them though.

>>2165178
i like to think at some point baby irene saw a picture or wildlife documentary about red pandas and decided to make them her entire personality in the same way she did with her favorite superhero

>>2165202
it has a search function at the very least
you can compare what you can craft to what characters are wearing by hovering over the name of the crafted item on the top of the right window. no way to compare two uncrafted items though. the sequel is probably going to have some ui improvements hopefully.

>>2165248
>>2165195
there are field immunity sneakers too you can get from merchant quest but they're pretty low level

>>2165195
>Using Trap ability under Still Stance state recovers your Action point by 1.
this could be used for some shenanigans I imagine

>>2165288
Its pretty fun to throw all three traps down under the same enemy in one turn. You just have to be careful with the order you throw.

>>2165288
It's so fucking annoying in PVP. People will throw 1 trap under your dudes and then spend both action points running into the fog of war.

This is your reminder that early Magic Knight kicks ass

>>2165457
Literally half of my stats are from Curse of Sword

>>2165460
>>2165457
I love my Magic Knight Albus.
Bleed Berserker is OP, but not as fun to play as a magical glasscannon.

>>2097993 (OP)
>>2165178
JUSTICE POWER~!!

>>2165621
>magical glass cannon
if anything MK is a walking tank. Trying to play DLC2 with GS albus made me want to rope with how easily he died unlike MK.

>>2165621
>>2166010
ye magic knight can get a flat 20% damage reduction from holy sword which is pretty significant, combine that with second wind set for an additional 30% damage reduction from most sources and free healing, then even more healing from blood-absorbing sword.
gs albus is just a lot more intuitive to build defensively (just stack block chance and health lmao) and has more defense slots but mk can get a lot more raw mitigation and sustain.

>>2165987
new Front Breakthrough animation

>>2165987
My brain is so broke from this game every time i saw a video of a red panda i immediately transfigure irene doing the same thing.

>>2165987
>JUSTICE POWER~!!
I can hear it 1:1 in my head fml
>>2166036
that isn't even what makes MK OP, its how strong magic shield is. I would have used that class way more in base game if so many of its masteries werent obscure enemy drops. IIRC one of them is exclusive to Pink Goblin who only shows up as an optional boss in the first violent mission and only on max difficulty.

In today's edition of "Masteries that are a lot better than the wording suggests", it turns out Black Mage's Magic Resonance gives its bonus from allies and not just enemies.
Wording:
>Damage done by ESP Attack Ability increases by 10% per 1 adversaries possessing ESP Power within 4 tiles
What it actually means:
>Damage done by ESP Attack Ability increases by 10% for every ESP user within 4 tiles

>>2166324
Black Mage is so ungabunga, I honestly don't even know what half the masteries do, I just pick whatever gives set bonuses and every turn is another nuclear bomb going off.

It also works with machine SP types, but I'm reasonably certain that's not intended

>>2166292
>only on max difficulty
You don't deserve rare masteries if you play on any difficulty below hard.

>>2166328
I find black mage fun to play but frustrating to build because most of its (and elementalist) masteries are just extra damage scaling or more vigor. Sion can easily nuke groups of enemies without most of those masteries and vigor becomes a non-issue past a certain point in the game. So most of it is just screwing around with common, human, and SP masteries trying to find some way to make up for the other shortcomings the class has (like getting one-shot by everything).
Bianca benefits more from all the raw damage a black mage can get since wind SP doesn't have access to shit like flash stacks but almost all her abilities are single target, single strike anyways so she just feels better as a witch.

>>2166449
I agree with Black Mage being boring and one-dimensional, but there's decent logic behind pretty much all of its decisions.
>Sion can easily nuke groups of enemies without most of those masteries
Black Mage is built around using ESP masteries, so most of its sets are designed at a power level where you only need to take a couple of them to get a lot out of the class.
>and vigor becomes a non-issue past a certain point in the game
The reason it gets so much vigor is so you can turn it into base ESP with Mage

>spend an hour doing Starlight Junction
>everything goes smoothly, the masteries I wanted all dropped, even got a sweet Twinkle Jack uniform
>turn in quests
>find out Al had a quest to rescue someone from Starlight Junction as well but I didn't get it because it was behind turning in his Rainbow Dorori quest and I was going to turn in all my active quests at once
AAAAA FUCK I'VE PLAYED THROUGH THE GAME LIKE 15 TIMES AND I FORGOT THERE ARE 3 NPC RESCUES ON THAT MAP

There's actually special dialogue with several of the NPCs and at the start of quest missions if you don't go to Shooter Street until you get all members in your party, at least for base game characters. I don't think it applies to DLC characters since all the quests are base game (I think). The dialogue itself probably isn't anything special other than some additional characterization but it's interesting that Dandylion added it. Like it's neat that Giselle has dialogue at the start of the Yasha hunting missions even if most people are going to be doing those missions long before they get Giselle.
So putting off the quests and going through mission repetition hell could be worth it if you want to see those little easter eggs.

>>2166324
the first time i did that mission my sion happened to be in the perfect spot to use a flash beam and take out half the white tigers since they all spawn in a straight line. was pretty cool when it happened

>>2166790
Yeah, it's especially worth putting off for the dialogue if you're either someone who thinks Ray is boring, or you're a huge Rayfag who wants to see her at her best. Those cutscenes have Ray at her most competent because she's really fucking smart and intimately familiar with smuggling, so unlike the entire rest of the game she's in her element. She shows up pretty much everyone on Shooter Street with her knowledge and has a bunch of walls of text that you completely miss if you do the quests as they become available.

>>2166324
this changes everything

>>2166790
>>2166825
WHAT
does dandylion autism know no bounds
time for a new playthrough
t. 1500 hour Rayfag

>>2166746
Haha... happens to the best of us.

>>2166790
Camila's jealousy is showing.

>>2166790
I actually got this dialogue first time because I played the game blind and didnt know shooter street had quests so I put all the shit off until post DLC1.

Bitch is super jealous of albus strutting around with all the hotties.

The Shooter Street merchants are so sweet. I was actually quite sad when they faded out of the game and you didn't even receive new quests in the dlcs.

>>2167375
For a long time their quests stopped even earlier. All the ones post Negoori were added shortly before Crimson Crow.

Ryo's theme was shadowdropped on youtube today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pevRLFY2Eoo
Very fond of the vocals, personally.

>>2167524
That's cool as fuck. It's my favourite track yet by far.

>>2167532
Same. I have no idea where they're going with Ryo's character arc, but his theme sounds fitting for his new badass design.

>>2167524
>>2167536
i wonder why his hair is dyed blonde, it makes him look like a surfer dude with his tan instead of a sushi restaurant owner and yakuza assassin

>>2167543
That's probably deliberate. He's famous enough that a lot of people would recognise him otherwise.

his new design reminds me of dave/dirk strider from homestuck

>>2167524
It's a nice epic battle track but at the same time feels generic, like it could've been made for anyone. I don't see what's "Ryo" about this. Brings to mind some crazy awesome music you'll hear in some doujin game and it turns out it was royalty-free somehow.
The Lumi song was always chaotic and switching between instruments which I thought was fitting.

>>2167556
My interpretation is that it sounds very determined, like this is a dude who's gone so far off the deep end to save his brother that there's nothing to stop him. The choir makes me think of how Nine Dragons is huge: This guy's a representative of a big, powerful tradition-steeped organisation. It's also very modern Japanese-sounding rather than what people typically think of as Japanese.

>>2167556
>>2167566
It sounds like Ryo's way of the sword - very straight forward. I like it.

None of the playable designs in BC are doing it for me. They feel considerably more safe, unremarkable and samey, other than having an older bearded dude.
Which is a shame considering I already miss experiencing AC for the first time.

It's weird to me how black timas don't have an SP type when the other dark/black beasts have spirit. Design oversight by Dandy or do you really have to evolve your basic timas into an elemental version if you want SP?

>>2167680
It's because they evolve into beasts with different ESP types. Draki eggs are the same.

>>2167680
If you're specifically looking for a spirit Tima, one of the White Tiger Timas has it

>>2167671
Ari is really the only one I'm looking forwards too since she uses bows which are a completely different weapon type from anything we've seen in AC, plus she's probably going to be able to tame beasts and they're adding a lot more monsters in BC so it would be fun to see what kinda builds can be done with them. And she's an Irene fangirl which is cute. But yeah I agree, none of the BC designs are as visually interesting or unique as characters like Irene, Heixing, Ray, Kylie, or Leton. I was hoping for more completely different class and SP combinations.

Speaking of Kylie, I have a theory that she might be returning as a playable character in BC and Dandylion wants to keep that a secret. Since Ryo is a playable character she's definitely going to make an appearance in the game. And Heixing has unfinished business with Carter and needs to return to the Fortress of Suffering as some point so he'll need to pass through the area the game takes place in. So she'll probably tag along with one of those two. But what really sells me on her returning is the fact that none of the revealed playable characters for BC seem like they're engineers so they can't build drones/robots and I doubt Dandy is going to scrap the entire drone/robot system even if not a lot of people used in in AC, and being outside Valhalla means there's no laws against building bicrons so the system could be expanded even further. She also has a pretty unique weapon type that no other character would use so it's again another reason to bring her back.

>>2167702
The inconsistency just bugs me. I feel like it would make more sense if ordinary timas could evolve into black spirit timas and the three elemental types, but I guess Dandy wanted all mons to have three tiers of evolution.

>>2167749
I do know about White Cloud but I think for the build I'm planning I'll just stick with an ice tima for now.

>>2167524
sure is final fantasy

>>2167671
I don't find the designs all that stellar in AC either. The character writing is strong and the mechanics give them their own identity. So I'm not too worried.

>>2167550
Yeah, that's one place my mind went. The first was Quattro, though.

>>2166449
The damage is overkill but what really sets the class apart is the easy access to minimum AT delay. You can take Magical Accelerator and Archmage Staff and then your build is pretty open to do whatever, that alone is good damage too.

I was looking through the xml files and there's one called Troublebook.xml that contains the in-universe month and year that each story mission takes place on.
Summarised
>1/803 - 1 map (Firefly Park tutorial)
>4/803 - 2 maps (Silverlining and Ramji Plaza)
>5/803 - 3 maps (Pugo Street through Outskirt Road 113)
>6/803 - 2 maps (Crow Bill Station and Jigsaw)
>7/803 - 3 maps (Magenta Backstreet through Marco's tussle with Don in Silverlining)
>8/803 - 5 maps (Pugo Backstreet through Fish in Troubled Waters)
>9/803 - 5 maps (spoonist cabin through Hansol Street)
>10/803 - 6 maps (Iron Forest resource area through Dust Wind Toll Gate)
>11/803 - 4 maps (Scent of the Past through Gray Cemetary)
>12/803 - 2 maps (Kylie's snowy rescue and Dust Wind Rest Area)
>1/804 - 2 maps (Silver Cloud Market Street and the Heixing + Kylie duo map)
>2/804 - 3 maps (the snowy Foo map through Pugo Street with Yuranxiang's first appearance)
>3/804 - 8 maps (Spoonist underground base through "For You")
>4/804 - 4 maps (final vanilla map through Irene's troubleshooter test)
>5/804 - 7 maps (the rest of DLC1 and Misty's first map)
>6/804 - 7 maps (the rest of DLC2)
The entire game takes place over a year and a half. Most chapters have a couple months worth of missions in them, but chapters rarely end with the first or last mission of a month (for example, the last 3 maps of Chapter 3 and first 3 maps of Chapter 4 are all November 803 maps)

>>2168930
>the last 3 maps of Chapter 3 and first 3 maps of Chapter 4 are all November 803 maps)
AIEEEEEE
I proofread it like four times and missed that. It's meant to be October (10/803) not November

>>2168930
Damn thats a long time for Albus to not be paying his employees.

>>2098027
Make builds you like.
Experiment.
Have fun.

Seems like several of the songs for Banished Children have vocals. Does anyone know if there are actual lyrics or if it's just vocalizations? I don't know a lick of Korean so I wouldn't know myself, or maybe they are in English and I'm just too deaf to understand them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgVOAkpcU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqFE0gW9tZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pevRLFY2Eoo

The vocals in Ryo's theme remind me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTNfuztCMgM from Dragon's Dogma.

>>2168930
so Heixing's been out of the fortress for more than a year now, hmm
are you finding all this info through the official modding tool or troubletool?

>>2169101
The official modding tool comes with an extractor (PLDataPacker.exe, ran through UnpackingCoreData.bat) that dumps all the scripts/xml/UI files into a folder so people can mod them. That's how I got access to all that stuff.

>>2169104
ah, nice, cheers
wonder if i can get it working through wine somehow

>>2168930
>>2168944
Maybe they planned to implement a calendar mechanic but discarded the idea. It works better if the dates are just implied in my opinion.

>>2169025
The new OST sounds so pretty. I wonder if we'll actually get to hear most of these tracks during missions. Abandoned Children had a huge OST, but most of its tracks were reserved for storytelling and cutscenes.

>>2169104
I wish dandy included some tool for extracting, editing, and inserting your own character models. I spent several weekends trying to figure out how get the models and edit them in blender and I just kept getting filtered by OGRE's model system. Apparently every tool and plugin to make it easier is broken or out of date.

>>2168930
so from this
>albus is 20
>sion is 20
>irene is 20
>anne is 15
>heixing is 23
>kylie is 27
>ray is 23
>giselle is 35
>leton is 23
>bianca is 25
>alisa is 28
>misty is 26
Im suprised how old the dlc girls are. Especially alisa being 28 and obviously wanting to bang albus' autistic ass and he is 8 years younger than her.

>>2169559
I always thought the Alleys were older, like mid to late 20s, wtf

>>2169559
Age is just a number.

>>2169559
>anne is legal as of the end of DLC2
annefags are fake lolicons I see. Still weird that her character model and dialogue sprite look like an 8 year old.
>misty is 26
>bibi is 25
I figured they were way younger than that, like early 20s with how immature they both can be at times.

>>2169025
Sexo with Ari cosplaying Irene.

>>2169589
>Still weird that her character model and dialogue sprite look like an 8 year old
It seemed like to me that Dandy wanted to make Anne younger but realized how weird it would be for like an 11 year old to work for a troubleshooter company, or maybe they don't know how 14/15 year olds actually look and act.

>>2169559
>I'm Bianca's age
We're a match made in heaven.

>>2169669
>>2169559
>all of my troubleshooterfus are older than me
did not expect that

thoughts on the new 3d artstyle?

>>2169677
I am going to miss the clean aesthetic of Abandoned Children, but I like how the character models look straight out of their concept art. It might be more readable in practice too.

>>2169677
looks good but it will be wasted if Dandy keeps huffing nitrous oxide every time they design new characters.

>>2169710
Paw

>>2169673
>I'm older than Giselle
it's so over

>>2169733
is this (you)?

>>2169677
It just looks "shinier" in that comparison desu, we'll need to see actual gameplay footage or in-game screenshots to say for sure. Still looks good.

alisa has some pretty big swords

>>2169677
Looks more painterly, more faithful to the 2D art. Compare the fur or the cleavage. I think it'll look better in action than the old shaders.

>>2169802
butt

>>2169897
it's crazy how much better her default outfit is compared to any of the alternate or dlc ones

>>2169908
Her Black Tiger outfit is better

>>2169908
>her default outfit is compared to any of the alternate or dlc ones
I agree 100%, but I think the uniform dlc one is a very close second
I've also become very fond of the dresses as time went on tights

>>2169945
alisa with long hair just feels wrong though

>>2169945
Topcute. I can't go back to her default after this.

>>2169953
I like it for the moe factor of a tomboy girl getting to pretty up, growing out and styling her usually messy hair

>>2169963
This guy gets it. It's why I love the final CG so much.

>>2169677
reminds me of pokemon for some reason, maybe it's the uncanny smiles
>removed giselle's cleavage shadow and sunglasses reflection
subtle but definite downgrade

>>2169710
:DD:D

Late-but-not-endgame builds are so ugly. I don't have any of the Basic masteries of Keyboard Warrior and I wouldn't have the training points to use them anyway. so the things I do for property limit are ugleh.
This build kicks ass by the way.

>>2170597
That time of the game when your build was pretty decent and filled out the mastery board, but you still got incredible new masteries every mission.

>>2170597
>have to play the game for 200 hours to unlock getting a Social Life

>>2171171
Social Life actually comes online relatively early, it's just niche as fuck. Especially when levelling and you don't have many Ability masteries in the first place

>>2171171
autism POWEERR!

I like and hate how visually messy Irene's boards can be

>>2171274
martial artist irene always feels weird to build for me because many of the martial artist/fighter mastery sets require that blunt damage mastery, but irene only has one ability that does blunt damage. it feels like a waste of a mastery slot

>>2171353
There's only a couple. Most of them are generic melee damage. I think Clean Hit and Bruise are the only ones that are blunt-only. Her ESP doesn't get any benefit from Rend besides the reduced dodge/block though.

Speaking of mismatched masteries, I think it's pretty funny how basically every White Knight and Barbarian in the game use blunt weapons except for Alisa and Ben, when WK has access to Swordsman masteries and Barbarian has access to Marauder masteries, both of which are majority slashing damage masteries

>>2171385
marauder always felt like a jobber class that got left in the dust since it was one of the first dandy added to the game.

Here's the kickass Tima I've been using. I'm very tempted to remove Breakthrough and go Bloody Beast + Sharp Teeth for free mental buffs, but I'm up to the final Clowns map (already done 54V) and the block reduction is still really useful.

>>2171385
I thought it was strange that thrower/grenadier has that mastery/set that reduces AT every time they dodge an attack, while it isn't completely wasted on them, a class with that much range isn't going to be able to make the most use of it, especially with Lightning Reflexes. But I guess it would work well on a melee Ray build, useful for offsetting the AT her kick has.
Most of the earth masteries also feel completely useless on Anne, her negoori set almost seems like a joke compared to Sion or Irene who can get a lot of benefits from their elemental masteries.
And Neutralize Counters on Alisa has some anti-synergy with things like Weapon Blocking that she might want to use, since it reduces how often she can block or get hit.

>>2171421
The inherent class bonus that marauders have is also completely useless on enemies but would be kinda nice for players, though it is a basic class so even if Dandy did add a playable marauder it would only be used for a little while.

>>2171496
go grab the legendary fire or snow tima
both have one of a kind super good masteries that giga juice timas

Every once in a while I think how this map would be if they still had the Enhanced Schwarz Destrons it was released with instead of Weiss Destrons that it has now, and then I play through on a new file and mentally thank Dandy that they made the change. I think this was more casualties than I had doing 54V beforehand.

>>2171513
>I thought it was strange that thrower/grenadier has that mastery/set that reduces AT every time they dodge an attack, while it isn't completely wasted on them, a class with that much range isn't going to be able to make the most use of it, especially with Lightning Reflexes. But I guess it would work well on a melee Ray build, useful for offsetting the AT her kick has.
I've never really questioned it, but yeah it does seem strange. Even for the flavour it doesn't really make sense, since Thrower and Alchemist are both pretty slow classes. Grenadier's pretty fast, especially if you do a silly item-based build. Maybe the plan was they wanted to give them something like Ready To Go except better?
This is my second time using a consumables-based Ray, and I'm absolutely certain it's by far her most overpowered build path.
>>2171514
I want them, but not enough to go back and get them yet. I'd have to change out of Sniper.

>>2171526 (Me)
>I'd have to change out of Sniper.
This is the woeful state of my beasts, for interest. Hunter's beast exp mastery makes a massive difference to how quickly they level and without it it's difficult to give meaningful exp to even the low level beasts. That's one of the reasons why I'm not bothering with going back to get Ash or Snow until I revert to full Hunterfaggotry.

>>2171385
it's funny to me that the NPC White Knights are all motorbike couriers wielding trolley poles or baseball bats, like Mad Max set in Parramatta
>>2171513
Grenadier feels like it should be a mid-range class, like Sweeper or Witch, but candylion gave it 2 unneeded attack distance ++ masteries so now the closer range stuff doesn't get used