Thread 2101201

cursed build edition

Menance dead on arrival? Or just an elaborate subsidy fraud?

>>2101201 (OP)
big black brothers WISH they'd look as good as warband
enjoy your gay faggot static chess pieces

>>2101203
filtered

>>2101201 (OP)
why do you think it will be dead on arrival?

>>2101214
>"We heard you loud and clear established Battle Brothers fanbase, we will make a game set in a completely different setting, 3d instead of 2d with preset characters instead of random!"
>doesn't cover a niche. XCOM exists for sci-fi, Jagged Alliance for modern day
>devs not experienced with 3d
>visuals look like AI garbage
>news do not generate enough engagement, whereas a tiny patch had more of a reaction.

my 2 cents
>

>>2101245
they already get paid so why they should care

>>2101278
i think that paired with the other post is what makes the subsidy fraud idea stick
in my opinion its probably somewhere in middle, they wanted to make that generic looking game and knew it might not work but they were getting paid anyways so they didnt care

>>2101511
the truth is that they are sick of bb fanbase and want to make something more commercially successful, they also eternally seethe on wartales success

>>2101543
>eternally seethe on wartales success
that shit blows my mind, its like making a very culturally influencing movie that will be remembered for decades and inspire numerous others but be jelous because some crap like the boss baby was more comercially succesful

>>2101543
>they are sick of bb fanbase and want to make something more commercially successful

What, why? Literally have a customer base who will eat up DLC's and sequels.

> they also eternally seethe on wartales success
Where did you get this info? I'd love to see their seething.

>>2102079
Just hearsay from these threads before, but supposedly they almost gave up on the game at one point because of coding issues, and they also hate people modding their games.

>>2102085
>and they also hate people modding their games.
I mean sure, they initially encrypted the game files with a code but once they got decrypted by a full time autist they didn't pull a bitch move by playing cat and mouse and changing encryption code every time. Or is it simply that they couldn't change the encryption code?

>>2102091
They tried but were told by the guy that he will do it again. So they give up.
>>2102085
Yep. There is more to it but whatever.

>>2102238
>They tried but were told by the guy that he will do it again.
Ah okay, didn't know that. Very scummy indeed.

>>2102079
>What, why? Literally have a customer base who will eat up DLC's and sequels.
because bb players are faggots, mayhaps?

>>2102294
What is your poison? Wanna shit on other's people hobby and not be shat on. Probably plays totalwawa or civ6. Or god forbid some cellphone crap.

>>2101208
>filtered by unforgivably shit artstyle

>>2101245
>>"We heard you loud and clear established Battle Brothers fanbase, we will make a game set in a completely different setting, 3d instead of 2d with preset characters instead of random!"
thats the best part dumbass

i only play this game with reforged + my own edits + debug editor. vanilla is hot garbage. hilarious reading that the devs do not approve of mods. lmao fucking nerds

menace also looks gay as hell

>>2102680
>baby doesn't appreciate caricature style
I was 12 once too.

>>2101245
The whole "preset commanders plus mook squads" is the worst part.
Massive part of the charm for BB was random bros rising and falling and they take it away.

>>2103152
you use words you don't know the meaning of

>>2101245
Why does this game upset you so much? I have seen so many people here complain about Menace even though it's not even out yet.
They already made Battle Brothers why would they make another game exactly the same?

If the game turns out to be good I'll play it. If it turns out bad I wont. I don't understand why so many people are so emotionally invested in the project.

obligatory

>>2105538
and BB is still much better game

>guy shitting the thread for 4 days straigth
damn

>>2104601
Because it means BB gets less development time in DLC's and updates. Its not like they made a separate team with separate budget for that Menancing pos.

>>2104601
What else are they going to talk about? If they wanted to talk about BB gameplay they would.

>>2106458
not much to talk about, game needs more content, last significant update was 5 years ago

>>2106463
True. But that doesn't change how the OP is garbage.

Post those funny Battle Brother Apu pics, pls.

>>2106444
Nigga BB is done. The free dlc they made was a shock to everyone. The only way forward for BB is BB2.

>>2106499
the only reason I see for bb2 is so they can rewrite muh spaggethi code, other that the game its a timeless classic and only needs more content, kinda like terraria

>>2105572
yes and?

>>2106497
no

Just bought this on the sale. When are you supposed to start replacing your shit bros? I'm on expert, day 22 and I have 9 guys all in that bandit chainmail. They seem to work so far but I know they must be objectively shitty because they are all from those super cheap peasant origins.

>>2107227
Throw nimble on them and work on getting good battleforged niggas to replace them. Also ideally you want to have 12 bros so that enemy bandits scale larger groups, giving you more XP and loot in return for harder battles

>>2107227
>When are you supposed to start replacing your shit bros?
Always. You see a good deal on a bro and you can afford it, you take it.
>I'm on expert, day 22 and I have 9 guys all in that bandit chainmail.
Well you seem to know what you're doing.
>they must be objectively shitty because they are all from those super cheap peasant origins.
Not necessarily. Brawlers if they get talents are amazing for their price. Cripples are the cheapest surround bonus you can get for your money, cheaper than dogs! I know cheap militia are sought after too.
But my personal favorite are the thieves with their defense and initiative for the price. A thief with small trait is ~15 mdef out of the box if not more due to rolls. With the initiative, you can give him dodge early on. A good early shield bro.

>>2106444
That's true but that would be true for any new project they made. Battle Brothers is old and has had several DLCs made. Pretty sure they consider it done and want to make new games.

>>2107272
a game like battle brothers is never "done", they struck gold and made a timeless classic, you don't make two of those, it becomes your lifes work, its like tynan sylvester being done with rimworld and trying to make a new game (or starsector, dwarf fortress, etc)
blows my mind that this appear to go over their heads, even back on 1.0 release they wanted to be done with the game after just 3 years of development

>>2107311
Look at Stronghold franchise devs, they managed to create a timeless classic then spent decades trying to replicate it, but the end results were always the same, something just doesn't feel right with all their sequels.

>>2107324
look at aoe2, took them a decade and a half to realize that if you invent coca-cola there is no need to move on and try to invent a new coca-cola

>>2105538
If you're going to have shit graphics, you have to have good gameplay.
But it turns out BB has shit gameplay and shit graphics. Without mods, this game is a refund.

>>2101201 (OP)
Menace looks like such a letdown.
All they had to do was Battle Brothers, but in the future with some better graphics.

>we dont wanna make what the fans want

Yes well you're making an extremely generic space xcom shovelware with singular static plot and characters. Thats not a game anyone should want to make.

>>2107324
bad example since most of the actual devs left the team leaving only the incompetent.

>>2107387
You're right, but also do you want them to force themselves to make something they don't want to make? Wouldn't you rather play something made with passion than made for money?

>>2107397
Yea because there is so much passion in menace and it totally doesn't look like an asset grab and has its own distinct visual style. Not to mention made with german taxpayers money

>>2107397
>passion
>Menace
Two mutually exclussive terms.

>>2107397
I just think the sandbox model is such a higher level of game design for longevity, its a waste of opportunity to not repeat it.
Especially in this case where they're making something thats basically adjacent to what the perfect sequel should have been.
Its like its not different enough to be a breather piece from making turn-based for the last decade and yet the parts that are different are the departure to what made Battle Brothers so good.

>>2107406
Just a thought. But if they aren't even into it themselves then that's sad and pointless.
Guaranteed customer base for BB2, too.

>>2107247
>A thief with small trait
I'll keep that in mind. I found one previously but left it because I thought it's a shit trait because of the damage reduction.
>>2107243
Ok, I recruited up to 12. Suddenly the nomad groups became meaner and I lost all the fodder bros, and one that was kind of good a permanent injury. Should I keep the crippled ones?

>>2107227
>just bought this
> I'm on expert
You realize you're supposed to walk before running? Take it easy dude, learn the mechanics and then do expert.

>>2107524
Maybe he is savescumming.
>>2107503
Depends on injury and if you can afford the replacement.

>hiring anyone other than farmhands
Why?

because backgrounds without abysmal melee skill exist

>>2107387
>>we dont wanna make what the fans want
why you act surorised, ots not like its first time they pulled that crap

>>2107397
> made for money?
literary menace

Anyone here played reforged before?

Any good or fun builds I should try out?
Or a database/youtube vid of some good builds I can shamelessly copy?

>>2108292
I got some decent bros running but I wanted to see if there were any insane/wacky builds that I havent thought of yet

>>2109378
Pretty sure the devs try hard to avoid op stuff
I will forever miss PTR throwers

>>2107397
>Wouldn't you rather play something made with passion than made for money?
Yea brudda thas why I'm stickin with BB

>>2107361
Fucking mongoloids I swear

>>2107227
>When are you supposed to start replacing your shit bros?
All the time. Constantly upgrade your band. Cycle out your older bros when they get a permanent injury or die and replace them with better bros.
>They seem to work so far but I know they must be objectively shitty because they are all from those super cheap peasant origins.
Don't underestimate peasant backgrounds.
Some backgrounds are very good for their price. Their potential is lower than that of the top backgrounds, but keep in mind that there's a lot of variability. You will need to get several bros, hire them, check them out fully, see their starting attributes and stars and then decide which to keep and which to send away immediately after hiring them.
If you want to just try them out and see what works that's fine, just know that not all peasant backgrounds are created equal. Some are simply shit, some have hidden potential and a well rolled one can make a great brother for very cheap.
If you want to know the peasant "meta" then its
manhunter; lumberjack; brawler; militia; thief; farmhand

Thoughts on these three perk choice builds?
All three are meant for the brother who gets to hold the Reproach of the Old Gods.
Each build was made by a different player.

Notes on mechanics:

A. Killing Frenzy increases the damage of the initial attack with the sword, but doesn't affect the lighting strikes.
B. Nimble armour has lower fatigue cost but offers statistically less protection than 300/300 Battleforged + Steel Brow, especially against enemies with attacks that deal low damage per hit.
C. Fearsome works normally for the initial attack, then for the lighting strikes the penalty to enemy resolve applies too but there's only a resolve check if the strike does 15 damage or more (60% chance).

A/B. Berserk is triggered if an enemy dies from the lighting strike as normal.

>misspelled lightning
I'm tired please understand.

>they never remade the scenarios
>The Conqueror doesn't give a potion to the anatomists
and niggas say this game is not unfinished. I understand the devs not wanting to make more dlc but some things should be fixed.

>>2109715
>>2107183
Thanks, any more? I think there was one with Lindwurm.

>>2110955
you are wrong
lindyworms dont exist
>>2107860
you blind?

>>2105538
I bought BB on a sale and I'll play a run whenever I get an itch but objectively vanilla no expansions BB is a hard sale, it feels like you're playing a beta without the DLCs extra features and the measly 3 origins you can choose from. Stuff like camp followers and certain events or enemies should have been added to the base game imo.
Dunno if base wartales feels better, I saw that game has some DLCs as well.

>>2110961
the truth is they run out of funds and patience and released game just barely finished when dropping simulation aspect and just making minimal effort to put a tick on list of promised features
the funniest shit ever is that when asking for modding they were like ''uh, we consider it but lack of time and uhhh, so no possible'' but then some spanish autist manually cracked encryption, lmao
they hate their fanbase in autistic german way

>>2110955
It has already been posted >>2107860

Tips on good bannermen builds? I tried whip-bannerman and I wasn't impressed.

I'm thinking of changing steel brow from my fat neutrals into 9lives. Seems that after all the buffs that perk received that perk is huge now. I've even seen people claim it's better than colossus now for battleforged guys.

>>2111632
dead perk on good brothers, if its proccing then you are doing something wrong

>>2111636
nta but 9 lives ain't horrible. Luxury for sure but can save your ass now and then.

>>2111636
Well what else would you recommend in place of brow?

>>2111646
headhunter or backstabber

>>2111664
dead perks on good brothers, if its useful then you are doing something wrong

>>2110957
>>2111065
Thanks, I just missed it.

>>2111678
+5 melee skill is always usefull and so is guaranteed 2 crits in a row, a perk that requieres your brother to be 1 hit away from dying to do anything is pretty bad

>>2111795
I mean, for a cripple with 35HP its basically an extra hit to kill.

>>2111805
ya is good for fodder early on, makes them hold the line for longer

>>2111795
>+5 melee skill is always usefull and so is guaranteed 2 crits in a row
*yawns*

>tranime
>>>/a/

does it upset you?

>>2111795
+5matk is pretty mediocre for a perk that only gives you stats.
If you aren't going to expect that bro to get at least +10matk from backstabber consistently you should skip that perk.

>>2111928
ill take +5matk over nine lives any day

>>2111678
>doing something wrong
It's insurance against bad RNG. The whole game is about making sure that you can win despite bad RNG. Is fortified mind bad because you are just supposed to win every morale roll?
Nine lives also gives you useful information. You know that bro can't die until that perk triggers and the buffs after BD and oFaF make it far easier for you to emergency pull that bro out of the frontline after the perk has been triggered.

>>2111939
stat perks have 100% uptime on the stats they give once you pick them and help prevent bad situation by increasing the rolls in your favor, nine lives does absolutely nothing untill your brother is already dead
if you are seriously getting into situations where your core brothers get to 1hp then you are doing something very wrong

>>2111939
Of course it is. That anons a dumb.

Comparison of the average bonus for starting attributes compared to the baseline (apprentice) of some lowborn backgrounds. Good to know for peasant militia companies.

>>2111364
In my opinion the only bannerman build that isn't getting thoroughly cucked on damage is a throw banner

>>2111939
Pretty sure he's trolling

>>2112689
nta but BS and HH are both garbage in most situations. BS is alright if you're doing slaves or peasant militia and especially if you spam dogs but not something you'd want or need if good bro and lone wolf is viable on him. HH used to be fantastic on spears but now it's just a niche for an already niche weapon. That other anon also asked for a defensive alternative and got that weird suggestion instead. I mean, really? "oh should I go battleforged or nimble" "go xbow mastery lol"

>>2112697
Yeah fat neuts are basically built around being sturdy walls that take forever to break, can't say I ever see experts giving advice like give them HH or BS instead of a perk that directly contributes to making them more reliable tanks

>>2112688
Shotgunner or swordlance sarge ain't half bad either.

I think I like the concept of this game more than the actual execution. With what I have seen in Menace they believe the issue is not game design, but art style, and not having enough niggers, which is unfortunate.

>>2112711
A fat neutral is not really a tank. If you just want a tank you can do far more with shield expert and indomitable, but you need a good fatigue pool for that. Forged tank is a build that demands very high quality bros.
The point of fat neutral is being able to make a usable forged bro out of someone who doesnt have the fat requirements. Instead of wasting a perk point in brawny and still run out of fatigue after a few rounds of berserk (like people would do in the early days of the game), just stop caring about fatigue, pump all you have into mdef for survivability, matk so that the one attack you make per turn hits and then resolve to win checks and give the enemy a bigger malus with fearsome.
It's a simple build which only requires one strong attribute in mdef. In exchange you get a dude who's reasonably survivable on his own (not on the level of a tank), can dish out damage (not on the level of a duelist with a largr fatigue pool) and can proc a whole bunch of resolve checks on the enemy. Fat neutrals are the counter to orc and nomad camps with midtier bros.

>>2112688
Which perks do you typically pick?

>>2111646
This is for a fat neutral bro, correct?
I'm interested in why you picked axe mastery?
When I make a fat neutral bro, weapon choice changes the the rest of the perks I go with.
I also take into account where that bro will be fitting in my battle line.
Quick hands is another interesting choice; I don't take that on my step and swing builds.
Do you use it to switch from a two hander to a pole weapon for increased range?

mentally stunted individual award >>2112244
>>2112697
he didnt ask for a defensive perk, he said he wanted to replace steel brow with nine keks and asked for an alternative, the argument here was that nine lives is dog ass and you are better off with any other perk
>>2113286
fat neutral need wep mastery to move 1 tile and attack on the same turn, quick hands is for switching betwen poleaxe and greataxe

For a nimble dodge bro, underdog is a superior defensive perk to relentless if you only care about the latter to keep your dodge up throughout the fight and you don't need the extra initiative for something else.
You need to spend 68 fatigue (of your available pool during the battle with all your equipment on) before relentless gives you more mdef than underdog against two opponents, and you'd need to spend 135 fatigue before relentless is better than underdog against three opponents.
So if you bro has say 70 available fatigue in battle, only at the very end of it when he's exhausted and can barely move will relentless be better than the most basic underdog proc. At the start of the battle or if at any point that bro is surrounded by 3 or more enemies underdog will be better.

tl;dr the belief that you HAVE to pair dodge with relentless is retarded. Only pick relentless if you want initiative for something else, but having it just to support dodge is a very poor choice.

>retarded and unsolicited
impressive

>>2113307
Sorry. I should have made my question more clear. I know why you take a weapon mastery on fat neutral bros; what I was curious about is why you selected that particular weapon mastery. You know, why axe instead of mace or hammer?
So quick hands is to switch to a pole weapon, I can see that being useful; but two handers do more damage than their pole counter parts, so personally I take something beside quick hands and spend the turn repositioning my bro to take advantage of his next turn; after waiting of course to see if an enemy is silly enough to come in range.

>>2113786
nta but I'm the anon who actually posted the build, not the one you just replied to.
>what I was curious about is why you selected that particular weapon mastery. You know, why axe instead of mace or hammer?
Axes have synergy with fearsome since they can proc two resolve checks per hit. They also deal the highest damage and chosen axes are easier to find on enemies than tier 3 2h maces or hammers.
Regardless axe mastery is there as an example, you can switch it for mace or hammer and the build works just fine too. Just keep in mind you won't have the fatigue to ever stun or do the aoe attack.
> but two handers do more damage than their pole counter parts, so personally I take something beside quick hands and spend the turn repositioning my bro
That's a turn of damage that you are giving up. Quick hands makes it so that there's never a wasted turn and also you have the option to hit an enemy 3 tiles away by moving one tile and switching to a poleweapon.

>axes
Mace traitors the lot of you

https://www.nexusmods.com/battlebrothers/mods/894

its up

>>2114740
Finally I can play the manhunters origin with accurately colored indebted.

>i enjoy being surrounded by naked black man
>>ironically

I really dislike how they added so many cool pieces of armor with the Anatomists and Oathtakers like pic but then these only ever spawn on recruits from said backgrounds.
Wish they had actually integrated said equipment with the rest of the game. Like noble house knights could wear oathtaker equipment, or maybe you could simply see bands of oathtakers appear (maybe during the crisis? Imagine bands of oathtakers going to fight the undead or Southern armies). Same for anatomist gear, it would add variety to see brigands or mercenary bands sometimes wearing them.

>>2114954
What if it's not ironic? What then, chud?

Same for these two helmets which nobody wears. They only exist for the player to buy. They could have made it so that hedge knights in the Northern part of the map had a chance to wear them.

>>2107406
I read the announcement thread and somebody started schizoposting about that and wasn’t even banned. It’s like the devs don’t even give a fuck, I have to give props

>>2115049
>>2115057
What really rustles my jimmies is that there are no Crownlings/southern mercs

>>2115057
devs simply give no fuck

>>2115054
I'll point and laugh at the funny gay anon. Duh.

Backgrounds comparison chart.
Level advantage just divides the average attribute modifier of each background over the apprentice baseline by the average amount of points you can increase that attribute on level up with no stars (2 for matk and mdef, 4 for ini, 3 for the rest), then divides that by 3 (since you can increase 3 attributes per level up).
So for example thief has a level advantage of 3, this means the attributes of a level 1 average thief are the same as those of a level 4 average apprentice. This doesn't take into account talents since those have different value depending on what attribute they affect and they are random so that's more of a brother-by-brother thing independent of background.

ye olde tombe

at this peace menace will end up releasing in 2026

>>2121727
I just hope it is good, I am/was sceptical but the dev blogs give me a bit of hope, looks cool

This is the only game that really makes you feel like Conan the Barbarian hewing and cleaving his enemies.

>>2122391
>When the game briefly hitches after your lone wolf whirlwinds

>don't play for months
>jump back in
>15 retries, can't get past early game, keep losing vet bros or jumping into fights I can't win
I am back to being a shitter huh

>>2122674
Happens to everyone if you're too used to your lategame deathsquad raping everything.

>>2122683
I never had a lategame rapequad. Midgame bros at most

>>2122774
you never stopped being a shitter then

>>2101543
I thought Battle Brothers had great commercial success?
I've always heard that they were just sick of the game. Not unheard of from smaller developers.

>>2123548
not great enough

>>2123548
Don't humor the fatherless shitposting retards.

A light crossbow does, according to weapon skill describtion, at least 18 armor damage, but did 17 armor damage. Why is that? Is there an armor damage reduction mechanic other than battle forged?

>>2123707
You want it straight up? Be warned, you'll feel retarded.

>>2123723
Okay

>>2122861
Guess you’re right, I am a shitter.

>>2124705
>>2124705
How the fuck can you get surrounded like this? You really are a shitter. Make a line, move your guys next to the damage dealers, wait command, move another dude. Hit with bonus to chance. Kill their two handers first, leave shield bros last. At night you can even ignore the ranged fags. What is the average resolve of your bros? Breaking against brigands?

>>2125049
Looking at the bodies his flank folded, some nigs ate it and it cascaded from them eating it. Attacking raider heavy camps in thug tier gear and on higher difficulty than you're comfortable with does that.

>>2125083
Even if he had better equipment, his tactics would fuck him. Killing people better equiped than you is how you get their equipment.
Look at how his shields are positioned, dog corpse on top left indicates poor use of resources. Maybe he does not know that killing dogs affect morale?

>>2125690
Top right

>no warhams fantasy battle bros
feels bad man

>>2126184
There was a skaven faction mod with really nice looking assets but doesn't work properly and the mod author, for some reasons, completely disappeared after releasing the mod and never fixed it.

>>2125690
Nah, if he fucked up anything it's listening to dumb memeing niggers that go play expert from the start. You crawl before you run bruh.

>>2126224
How you know the difficult he is playing? I'm presuming he always quit after a bad fight and never gets to late game. Having a huge oathtaker with a manspliter, having a swordmaster with a two hand legendary flail mowing shield cucks, having a heavy crossbow with berserk killing 2 billfags per turn. Trully the late game is a cake walk. If you aren't kicking a barbarian's nest

>>2126691
He is getting his ass kicked? That said If he's in thug gear I doubt it's past day 30-50. And not even a 3 skull bandit camp comes with raiders and marksmen that early unless you're on expert.

>>2126864
That means he doesn't know when to flee a battle too.

>>2127310
Do you even have a point to make?

doing peasantboys expert/expert ironman.
This guy rolled a lot better than i anticipated on his 0 star defense, but i'm worried about his low hp. I'm thinking steel brow as one of my final two perks is requisite due to this. I feel like if i don't take steel brow some giga-hammer barb is going to one shot his noggin. Thoughts?

>>2127321
He lacks experience. Thar only comes with endurance and self reflection. You, on the other hand, seems to put the blame of his failures on "istening to dumb memeing niggers".

>>2127580
If he is going to use a 300+ helm I wouldn't. Reach advantage or a weapon skillis what I would pick, that and give him a more dammaging weapon, with thar meele stat he doens't need sword.

>>2127580
What day is this and how did you level up the rest of your frontline? With that setup you won't have the DPS necessary to crunch through normal late game fights, much less legendary locations. Usually for frontline duty you only need 1-2 tanks equipped with shields, the rest should spec into duelist or 2hander to make the most use out of the extra bodies pm gets. As for your bro I would recommend getting quick hands and put a 4ap weapon with decent damage in his pockets to proc berserk into recover plus a polearm to extend his reach.

>>2128008
it's day 107, been using the frontline as just a blob of shields that pocket said shield when they need to do damage (a mix of people i want to die and replace + a few actual tanks i want to keep) while cycling out bros in the back to level up some 2h DPS boyos. I've been mostly bullying mercs, caravans, and a noble faction rather than doing camps as there's no way i can take the heavy camps until i cycle out some of the dudes here for sure. For ranged, i have one hybrid thrower/polearm and i'm experimentally going to try crossbow / gun hybrids on my three other range bros.

>>2127972
Absolutely. Looking for shortcuts instead of taking his lumps, enjoying the ride and getting better naturally and then upping his game when he's hit that soft limit. You don't start with 50kg dumbbells because someone else lifts those, you start with 10-15 and work your way up to the limit and on the pace your body can handle it. And you sure as hell shouldn't go for muh speedrunner forced meme strats unless you want to suck out the fun of discovery and getting there on your own.
That sound unreasonable to you?

>>2128090
Yeah.

>>2128055
Don't pocket the shields, it will still lower your fat. Drop them on the ground instead, you should be able to loot them again after the battle (don't do it to named shields however, they might bug out and disappear completely). Your run so far sounds fine too me, not raiding camps early means you will have fewer fameds to play with but raiding supply caravans for noble gear should make up somewhat. I would be careful going all out with a gun backline however, it's not very effective against the toughest fights like chosen camp or wurms while throwers are generally good against virtually everything in the game.

Haven't played since 2021, I don't remember much other than having fun. Anything I should know? Are these mods still good?

What does this mean?

>>2128496
German BUNDA supports Battle Brothers.

>so called """"old gods""""/gilder
>don't do shit
>ALLMIGHTY DAVKUL
>breaks noses and dislocates jaws for shits and giggles
Davkul bros... we can't stop winning

>>2128564
>on my first somewhat successful run
>picked up a cultist with good resolve so made him my bannerbro
>at some point he converted another bro, I think nothing of it.
>last night I got the sacrifice recruitment event
>see this post
I don't know what Davkul has in store for me but I am on board. Praise Davkul.

Which background allows for the best use of fists in legends, Barbarian or Brawler?

>>2129207
Brawler, since he has both the damage bonus and the guaranteed unarmed tree.

>>2129355
That was a trick question. Way to out yourself as a troon, retard.

>>2129376
>everyone who plays modded is a troon
you sound like the most coalskinned vantablack nigger to grace the earth.

>>2105538
honestly deserved
I used to love BB but the devs are such pretentious massive faggots
also instaling wartales since I haven't played it since beta where it had nothing

>>2129383
You fully dilated yet? Cope and seethe, bitchboy.

>>2129404
holy fuck those female portraits are bad

Just play Reforged. It's a million times better than vanilla.

>>2129922
NTA but what does it change? I've tried legends before and it's way too scatterbrained and imbalanced for me to enjoy it.

>>2130378
nta either but some tweaks with weapons (mostly benefiting swords and polearms) and perk trees being derived of background and traits. As in this group of perks individual perks have a tag of [raider] and that tag derived of your [northerner] background allows you to invest in them, less cookie cutter builds with vanilla+ gameplay ideally. It's not ideal but it's neat if vanilla grew stale and you're not interested in reinventing the wheel.

>>2130378
The dev diaries and the text explaining the vision of the project and what it tries to accomplish:

https://github.com/Battle-Modders/mod-reforged/wiki

>2130487
>t. troon

>>2128496
its already paid by germ tax payers so its free to pirate

>>2127580
I'm not a huge fan of this build.
>forged
>berserk
>frenzy
>brawny
>recover
>2h sword
>no mastery
All of this seems like you want a guy who does DPS in tough armour, which makes sense intuitively but doesn't work all that well in-game.
Berserk has a huge cost on your fatigue, so you need a large fatigue pool. This has negative synergy with battleforged armour, so you try to remedy that with brawny, which is typically a really bad trade. You are spending a perk point just to be able to swing once or twice more before running out all the same. Weapon mastery would probably give you better performance and it would have synergy with berserk since more attacks means more savings.
Recover with a 6AP weapon is really bad since you'll have to waste a whole turn just to get half of your poor fatigue pool back. Berserk -> Recover can work if you have a 4AP weapon, but that's not your case.
Steel brow is a good perk for battleforged, but 9lives is better in most situations.

Overall, looking at the rest of your roster, I get the feeling that you probably think that battleforged is better than nimble and I'd advice you against that. Nimble is outright better than forged until you have 300/300+ armour (which not all your bros have) and even beyond 300/300 both are comparable depending on the enemy you are facing.

I think you should specialize into damage dealing nimble bros with a large fatigue pool and 2h weapons (axes and maces are the best) and battleforged dedicated tanks with shields.
Less shields in the frontline and less polearms too.

>>2126192
>for some reason

>>2127580
Also even if you don't feel confident about fighting camps, you should still fight beasts.
I only see a few generic armour attachments on your bros. Beast trophy attachments are far better.
The general cheat-sheet for attachments is:

>direwolf pelt
Great for a nimble duelist with fearsome.
>hyena pelt
Great for any nimble bro with dodge.
>lindwurm cloak and bone plate
Both are amazing for nimble as long as they don't take your nimble% too high. They are comparable overall, with lindwurm cloak being better against enemies that do weak attacks and bone plate being amazing against enemies which do heavy attacks (orc berserkers, chosen, lindwurm, etc.).
>kraken horn plate
By far the best attachment in the game.

>wait those are all recommendations for nimble
Yes, because for battleforged the attachment discussion is much simpler. Just put additional fur padding on all your good forged armour. Horn plate is also good for battleforged but you get much more out of such a limited attachment by sticking it to a good famed nimble armour if you get it.

>>2131014
>>2131020
...were you dropped on your head? Holy shitpost batman.

>>2131025
Why you say that? He is giving his opinion, more dammage dealers.

>>2132283
It's the thread faggot who's hardcoded to seethe whenever someone tries to have an actual conversation about the game.
Many such cases.

samefag

new menace just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNI5U7lySo

>>2135656
The game looks sick. The only complaint from what I've seen from the gameplay is the AI. I watched some german streamer play the game and he essentially aced the first two missions, he didn't lose a single squad. The AI in Battle Bros is predictable, but it doesn't do stupid shit on purpose

>>2101543
>the truth is that they are sick of bb fanbase
who could blame them
bbfags are some of the whiniest fucks out there
even worse than starcraftfags

Going to make become hostile against the Southern faction, is there anything I should do there beforehand?
Arena fights, assassin, anything else?

>>2136155
wax butthole

>>2101201 (OP)
>Menance dead on arrival?
yes
>Or just an elaborate subsidy fraud?
yes

Literally no one cares about Menance

>>2136271
>Literally no one cares about Menance
I care

>>2135656
Dont care
Didnt ask

>>2135656
>another cinematic trailer
https://youtu.be/o34R138zpV0?si=wdgxfXJbZ0AsrBkS
had to check some literally who channel to see some actual gameplay, has that samey playstyle/look of games that i would never play like xcom alien dark descent totalwar endless space and so many others

>>2115049
oathtaker armor looks stupid and goofy, they should have toned down the detail cause their stuff stands out way too much from all the other armor, even legendaries. its the same deal with banners in general

>>2139124
I think one day they suddenly want to have Warhammer Bretonnian knights in their game and that's how we got the Oathtakers.

NINETEEN GHOSTS

>>2139385
>82 bucks
>2 shot arrows
>a ring
nice, spooksters live very frugal unlifes

>>2139385
Hahhaha whata fuck. How did you win that? 12 dogs?

>>2139135
the noble helmets as well. they could have made intricate vizor designs instead and it would be way cooler than having a colorful duck or entire castle on top of your head... immersion ruined

>>2139829
No way. Stupid looking noble helmets are the best. If your company doesn't look like a muster of peacocks then what are you even doing??

>>2139829
>>2139919
Those noble helmets are historically accurate.

is there really no way to mod this game other than nexusmods?
i fucking hate nexusmods it's such a shitty nigger site and it demands you make an account

every time i see bb in my library i just think what a great concept it was but how disappointing it was but i'm bored and wondered if maybe modders fixed the devs' retardation

>>2142505
If you weren't a mouthbreather yourself you'd find the two other alternatives

>>2142513
sorry i mouthbreathed on my crystal ball so i my omniscience is failing me

>>2139919
well i can admit that if you're at that point in the game where your entire band is decked out in 320 helmet armor, half of my argument doesn't hold up anymore because the gear doesn't stand out from the rest of the party

>Record Scratch
>So you probably wondering how i ended up in that situation

I'm new to the game and I'm confused about attacks of opportunity. Sometimes they happen, and sometimes they don't and I have absolutely no idea why. It's not fleeing morale, it's not stun. Are they any other common things cause attacks of opportunity to NOT occur, namely from enemies if that matters? At this point I want a save option in a battle just so I can try things and figure it out.

>>2149581
I just realized, could it be because I'm moving through/over a friendly unit that is already in the enemy's zone of control? Would that prevent an attack of opportunity from triggering?

>>2149584
Congratulations. You successfully unfucked yourself. There's also footwork, rotation, stun, nets, push, smoke and such.

>>2149689
I wish the game told you these things instead of just stumbling upon them. Same thing happened when I realized that ranged weapons can shoot through friendly units, and they don't suffer penalties if you're right behind someone who is fighting an enemy.

>modded the shit ouf the game
>geist can now possess someone
>allied merc get possessed and fucks off into the distance
that was pretty funny

>>2150163
yeah
game sadly lack any in game pedia, guide book, monster book etc

>>2150211
>>2150163
Must be tough on you zoomzooms.

>>2150331
be a dick sucker somewhere else

I need some guidance for the first few days of a run, what should be my number 1 priority?

>>2150574
Say that to your mom kiddo

>>2150627
>first few days of a run
>days
Take and survive your first contract lol? That's a very short timeline anon.

>>2150656
tell that to your gay fathers

>>2150659
>he wasn't raised by wolves

>>2150667
>he wasn't raised by bavarians

>>2150669
Da treffen sich zwei Jäger, aber nur einer fällt tot um

>>2150331
>implying old games didn't come with massive manuals

I've been lied to. The ratcatcher fencer is actually great. It's not something to bring into every fight, but against things like necrosavants it clears board.

>>2135656
they ripped off that space marine animation

>>2151088
they hired the guy who did the spacer marin animation

>>2151096
oh okay

>>2150785
>implying zoomer reading comprehension

>>2151012
Fencer is a good build.
Ratcatcher is a below average background. Obviously if you rolled an exceptional ratcatcher it can be good but that doesn't mean the background itself is anything special.

What's the "expected" progression after raider gear?

>>2151238
After raider/nomad gear you are meant to get gear from Southern or Noble armies. Ideally get some good nimble loadouts like linothorax, Southern mail and sallets.
Afterwards you should kill mercenary companies, orcs and barbarians to get good weapons and go on a spree of camp hunting for famed items. Once your company reaches veteran levels, has good equipment, some famed stuff and you have cleared your first crisis, you should be more than ready to tackle legendary locations.

>>2151238
Whatever works and you can get your hands on you mouthbreating retard. Do you seriously need your hand held for every thing? Enjoy the game and the discovery phase for a bit anon, trust me, when you figure shit out it grows real old real fast.

>>2151168
Yes, but they're really cheap. What else would you build as a fencer? Oathtakers and assassins are too expensive to potentially waste them as an unreliable build like that and by the time you can buy those in bulks there is no need to build one.

>>2151295
nta but thieves are an option

>>2151295
Thief will give you on average almost as much INI plus great Mdef.

Remember that INI is the attribute that's easiest to level up. Getting more INI is easier than increasing any other attribute, so even for a high INI build, assuming that you will always also need other things (HP, Fat, Mdef, Res), it's better to start with a bit less INI and superior secondary attributes.

>>2139939
Haha. I'm doing a cultist run right now; and I've saved all of my leather hoods and cultist armor.
Definitely going for that themed look.
So far I've been only hiring cultists too; when I first started I did have to hire 3 unbelievers, but I converted them so we're technically all cultist now.
I was unprepared for how much cultists suck with melee and range attack; I was only able to find one ranged guy who wasn't completely useless, but he got turned into davkul armor a couple of days ago.
So now I'm all melee, which is fine I guess.
Has anyone else done all cultist runs?
I'm worried if I'll be able to pull off the legendary locations. I've done witch hut, ice cave and abandoned village; probably going to try the reliquary tomorrow, I can see myself losing a few brothers though.

>>2151596
>Has anyone else done all cultist runs?
Everyone except you I assume. That origin is super strong once it gets rolling. FYI you CAN keep non cultists with vampire cocaine and taverns.

>>2151238
Depending on your economy difficulty you can probably gear up through cash at that point with the odd high tier/famed you pick up filling the gaps.

Otherwise your next target is small noble/southern armies and other mercs.

>>2151600
>FYI you CAN keep non cultists with vampire cocaine and taverns.
Yes, but then I wouldn't be doing a cultist only run.
I guess what I'm really asking is have any of you guys waltzed into the black monolith with the majority of your brothers in light or medium armor and with their average melee attack being in the mid 70's.
Let's be honest, cultist brothers are not the cream of the crop.
I want to beat the sunken library, but I'm going in with mediocrity.
Does that make sense, where I'm coming from now?

Is there anyone you would recommend watching to get better at the game? Try as i might i still get my ass handed to me on expert

>>2151762
>black monolith with the majority of your brothers in light or medium armor and with their average melee attack being in the mid 70's.
Personally yes but on my manhunters. My cultists had significantly higher average grade.

>cultist only run
Isn't it directly against the spirit of the origin to convert others to the faith? And if they happen to be a demigod in mdef and mat we can count that as Davkul wills it.

>>2151818
I don't watch gameplay streams but if you do then Deducter.
For relatively quick videos going straight to the point FeedingFriendly and Carveahole are pretty good.
The perk guide on steam by Turtle225 is still a good read.
Overall the focus should be more on the fundamentals of the game: minimize your reliance on good rng, take every fight you can win, use efficient weapons, diversify your bros with builds for specific roles, save money by looting equipment instead of buying it, spend said money on hiring more bros (knowing from which backgrounds to draw from) so that you get more chances to find good bros after discarding the shitters.

If you want more, you can check out the posts of SomeWeirdSins on r/battlebrothers.
>Note:
SWS is one of those cases in a gaming community where a player is so far up the meta that he can't conceive the regular player's experience anymore. He will say that perks like berserk and frenzy are terrible because optimal builds with expert positioning don't use them. If you are just starting out the main piece of advice from him you should pay attention to is the idea of building bros to get the maximum out of them in your very next fight, instead of getting mired in planned out veteran level builds.
I still think his advice is very valuable since he has a ton of experience and did a lot of testing to reach his conclusions.

>>2151843
>Personally yes but on my manhunters

Excellent. How did that go?
What were your losses?
I, imagine that with the man hunters origin you could easily replace, as long as they were indebted, any brothers fairly easily.

>My cultists had significantly higher average grade.

I think that I've had some seriously bad luck pulling cultists this run. They are struggling to reach 80. I actually pulled into a big city that was having a cultist parade event and I thought "Great, I really need some new recruits," but when I went to hire bros there were 0 cultists available. I can't remember something like that happening to me before. I even hired a recruiter in my camp followers because I was getting so desperate for new cultists.

>directly against the spirit of the origin

Yeah, technically I think that you're correct; but I like doing themed runs like these. I've got a 2nd run I'm doing with the beast hunters origin where I'm only allowing myself to hire beast hunters and kennel masters, going for the whole we hunt dangerous game with dogs to run them down; it is fun to drop 6 or 7 confident war dogs down in one turn.
I've got a third run that I'm doing with the trader origin; although it's almost finished, I just have the kraken, water wheel and black monolith fights left; where I'm playing as a slave trader and only hiring indebted.
Good times all around.

>>2152335
A whole bunch of dogs and a couple dead to miasma. Turns out their guard aren't conditioned to fight against firepot, holywater and handgonne/axe spam.

>you could easily replace indebted
My experience was other way around. I saved a shitton on wages and recruitment funds so it really wasn't hard to pickup a hedge or two to fill any gaps. Now getting a replacement decent roll indebted was a pain in the ass.

>They are struggling to reach 80
iirc their max roll for mat is 57. If they roll close to that with at least two stars that's ~25 points and that shouldn't be that hard to get.

>>2151818
fucking zoomers. PLAY THE GAME

>>2152572
>hey guys i am playing the game, but i keep failing, where can i learn about it so i can understand where i am failing?
>HURR JUST KEEP PLAYING
What a retarded asinine comment

>>2152606
>What a retarded asinine comment
So why make it? That said if you're too retarded to use google you're too retarded to help.

>>2151818
Depends on what you like, I've started Peasant Militia run recently(their start is super shit) and looked how people are playing them in the start this guy came up and i like him, calm commentary that actually explains his decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVl5oma-g4E

fuck off samefag

>>2147331
how

Man scaling on militia is so weird day 4 and there is a fallen hero and a necro.

>>2154052
you could deal with it though right?

>>2154052
You only have 11 bros.
Peasant militia isn't doing anything there, the scaling is the exact same if you have 12 bros or less.

>>2154464
normally you wont have 11 bros by day 4 on other origins

>>2154505
Speak for yourself pal

>>2101201 (OP)
For those few who give a fuck, the Public Demo of MENACE comes out September 29.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/2432860/announcements/detail/542243728060842406?snr=2___

>>2154464
>>2154505
>>2154530
Yes. When I play peasant militia I get to 16 as fast as possible.
Fill up on refugees, beggars and cripples.
Statistically half of them should turn into super soldiers; of course getting them to level 11 can be quite challenging.

I beat my first hexen group. It wasn't nearly as impossible as when I first encountered them, because I learned about the club strat. I still had to bring real weapons because they were a million spiders with them too, and just clubs wouldn't do. It does feel kind of cheesy though... I'm just supposed to carry 10 clubs with me at all times in case I run into them. Granted I'm peasant militia so my resolve is fairly low... maybe at some point you just have enough resolve to bum rush the hexen without a care.

>>2155345
That's why I like my longbowmen

>>2155345
That's technically possible but you need truly absurd resolve numbers. There's just some enemies that basically demand you carry a shit load of excess weapons for your company though and that's why no one likes them.

Hexen are one, obviously. But you also need axes for schrats and pikes for lindwurms.

>>2155366
>you also need axes for schrats and pikes for lindwurms.
I don't because I refuse to fight these faggots, I only fight schrats during hexen contracts

>>2155370
Perfectly valid, I also refuse to fight them. But then, I also refuse to fight hexen.

>>2155370
Fire works much better for schrats and whips are more catch all for multiple situations, including hexen.

>>2155371
>>2155370
>Perfectly valid, I also refuse to fight them
But why? Schrats can be cancer but lindwurms are so profitable...

>>2155746
I'll fight lindwurms early on if I'm feeling above the curve. One or two isn't too bad. But when those fucker start roaming around in packs of 4+ it's just too fucking lethal to bother with. Or too tedious to do the pike poke shuffle for forty minutes.

>>2155751
Have you considered using a solid crossbow line with some cleavers to mop up?

>>2155758
Who the fuck has that many crossbows lying around?

>>2155760
People not having problems with packs of lindwurms lol? I'm not shitting on you anon I'm genuinely surprised because I always found those fights quite manageable. But I'm almost always playing very range heavy.

>>2155766
>>2155758
Anon, the origin of this conversation was talking about how annoying it is to carry a shitload of one specific type of weapon to counter one speicifc enemy.

>>2155768
Fair but neither axes nor crossbows are useful against one and only one enemy.

>>2155746
>profitable
and all the injuries through def?

So Wartale is pretty cheap right now, how does it hold up vs battle bros? Any DLC worth picking up as well?

I've grown quite good of adrenaline as first perk for early bros

>>2108292
That niggy literally looks like a baby monkey.

>>2156325
What do you mean? Worst case some interns eat it until proper megatanks are online.

Yay or Nay?

>>2157067
Meh

Won my first crisis (Greenskins) on an all-legendary difficulty Legends mod run! Ironman wasn't on but I didn't save scum, it was there just in-case the mods messed up or bugged out.
Anyone else playing the Legendary difficulty? Its been crazy hard but manageable overall.

>Legends mod
Sorry, no homo.

>>2150170
lol

>>2157095
you only play expert difficulty? lol

>you don't play with my troon mod
No. No, I don't.

>>2157191
>disables all f*males
Stay mad

Is there any reason to play vanilla over Reforged?

Try fucking a female instead of bitching like one.

>>2156446
i tried it back then but didn't like it much
they are not really similar

>>2157207
dunno, you tell me
never played reforged

>>2157349
nta but it's vanilla plus without anything too weird. Some weapon changes and perk trees are dynamic based on origins and traits.

>>2157070
B-but it is max-rolled on damage

Any good sex mods?

>>2157648
Attack an orc sea of tents and remove all armors from your bros
Then imagine what happens in your head

>>2157624
I believe it's off by 3. Sorry, just not a fan of maces.

menace demo is out
it fooking slaps

How tf do i fight endgame barb camps with 3-4 unholds and tons of chosen?
Around day 200 on my first vet difficulty and I've got most other enemy types figured out, but the unholds rip through my lines and everything becomes a chaotic brawl where I cant keep indom tanks on them for more than 1 or 2 turns. Fighting just 'holds, or hexen with 'holds i can lock them down pretty easy and focus one down, but all the chaff in barb armies makes keeping them engaged difficult.

>>2157890
I always found that when in doubt named cleaver specialists and 2h hammers do good work. Bombs are a nice leg-up as well.

>>2157897
Ive got a lower level 2h hammer guy training, my vet 2h guys are two axes, a mace and a sword. My 1h cleaver guy doesn't have duelist and ends up spending a lot of his time disarming people instead (his whip and cleaver both rolled reduced fat cost). I do have a ton of firebombs in storage though, i should try that. Any positioning tips, or more situational tactics?

>>2158244
Don't know what to tell you anon. I like deploying my dps on one side and utility shieldfags on the other and then folding them like laundry but your mileage will vary on how you play it, with what gear and how scaled that camp is. Those are meant to be hard fights. I would treat it as a DPS race regardless of anything else, if they have a bunch of chosen and a king or two there as well you don't want to trade blows any more than you have to. Nabbing the drummers and beastmasters quickly, as in snipe or flank beeline with a dedicated lone wolf if you can is probably a good idea too.

>>2157349
NTA, but I'll give you my two cents.
They have some really good ideas, but they struggle to implement them at times.
For example, the new dynamic perk trees they made are pretty great, they really make your brothers feel unique; but, you can get a brother with 3 stars in ranged attack who has 0 ranged weapon perks, or 3 stars in resolve and no leadership perks. It can be a pain sometimes.
Also, how they tweaked the enemies is hit or miss. I love what they did to bandits and noble armies; the upgrades are nice and make both groups more fun to fight. I just don't get their choices with Goblins and ancient dead. With Goblins they made all of their melee weapons cost one less AP to use, so now Goblins can attack a crazy number of times. A goblin wolf rider with a spear can attack 6 times as long as they don't move. I get goblin weapons are supposed to be light and therefore easier for humans to use, but Goblins are small and weak. Shouldn't a goblin sword be just a regular sword to a goblin? They also made the little bolas Goblins use ignore shield defense like flails do. Which is fine, but then they also gave them the ability to stagger/stun combo on hit, and you know how many bolas Goblins throw. Then, with the way they reworked some of the perks, goblin archers are much better. They can shoot your back line with ease no matter how many kite shields your front row carries. It just seems like a bit much for a basic archer unit.
With ancient dead they standardized the auxiliaries, so now they all come equipped with helmets and shields and fight in formation just like the rest. I kind of miss having a crazy skeleton charging at me with nothing but a falx. Then they changed the elite versions into super tough sword masters. It used to be that fighting ancient dead was rewarding as long as you had maces, hammers and axes; because there were fragile skeletons underneath all that heavy armor. Well, those skeletons aren't so fragile anymore.

>>2158335
Whoops. Ran out of space there.
Any way; I think what bugs me the most about the ancient dead is how different it feels to fight them from vanilla. I think that it takes away what made them feel unique. Now they're just tougher versions of Chosen.
Still, I think that it's a really good mod.
I've been having a lot of fun with it.
Especially with the way they reworked the weapons. Every weapon feels viable and useful in battle. They all got some nice upgrades.
I also like how they created a medium armor wearer to bridge the gap between nimble and battle forged. Makes quite a few armors more useful.
So yeah, try it out.

>>2157890
blot out the sun with nets.

there is so much more content and outright mechanics in reforged that going back to vanilla feels like a demo

In battle brothers legends I'm trying to get the blacksmith table, which requires the field repair perk, which should be guaranteed to occur on all bros with the crusader background... but I have 3 crusaders and only 1 of them had the perk, and it is at the last rank. Is this bugged or am I not understanding something?

Just learned the power of nets vs alps and negrosavants

>>2161886
traps are gay

>>2157207
>>2158335
>>2158339
nta
thanks for the suggestion but i installed reforged and having quite some fun. the suggested mods for it are also nice like the perk planner, no more calling my bros 2hander

Has anyone tried the hardened submod for reforged?

>>2161886
Battle brothers would really benefit from a bear enemy 2bh

>>2161957
Save it for the BG3 general.

after playing the menace demo I'm damn glad they moved on from bb, they somehow managed to create an even better core gameplay loop than with bb

>Direwolves have Berserk from the start
I never thought of Direwolves as scary until a pair of them just casually eradicated my entire early game frontline.
Went from 16 to 8 in a single fight.

>>2165799
ouch

Thought I was doing well until most of my bros got killed or crippled in a series of orc battles. Now I got 4 decent bros left, bunch of newbies, and barely any gold. I think it's over.

>>2166028
>I think it's over.
just rebuild

>>2166028
yeah, the game is kind of shitty as you are paid little and can't even reliable hoard gold
>lmao wage increase

>early game
>16 bros against 9 bandit raiders
>easily stomp 6 of them without even an injury
>can't hit shit for the last 3 and they start pushing
>win the fight with only 6 bros left
>1 of them immediately desert me after the fight

>>2166028
You'll be fine.
The game difficulty is heavily tied to your company strength, you'll get easier contracts for a while.
(it's also affected by time spent but never bad enough you can't recover)

>>2166575
Even easier contracts will be harder though
>constant ambushes for courier contracts

>>2167017
Bandits ain't hard to deal with compared to scaled orc camps. Also trade and arena. Only way to truly fuck yourself is having permanent destruction on.

>>2167017
Harder but not impossible, a few good bros can still take on bandits easily by themselves until you're back on your feet.
You'll just have to act the way you did early game: If a contract isn't worth the risk, bail.

>run inside enemy zone of control
>use Footwork to move out of enemy zone of control

>>2167209
Nothing wrong with trying to trigger surrounded morale debuff

>in dire need of money
>get bandits contract
>SURPRISE IT'S UNDEADS AND NECROMANCER
>get delivery contract
>SURPRISE AMBUSH NOW YOU HAVE TO FIGHT MERCS
>get caravan contract
>SURPRISE IT'S NECROSAVANTS
That's it, I'm robbing caravans.

>>2167256
That's a perfectly valid strategy. As long as you don't get bullied by random 50 men-at-arms.

>>2167256
Just farm the arena, and when there's a fight you don't want go north to sell your exotic trade goods

>>2167256
Spent a large amount of time looking for caravans on the northern part of the map and found none.
For some reasons the northern area is littered with bandits, barbarians and goblins and they can't go anywhere. I haven't seen a single noble army or militia either.

>>2157207
vanilla is more streamlined, less bloat
I like reforged and other perk randomiser stuff because it stops me just mindlessly repeating builds

Do you take dodge+nimble on all your fodder bros, assuming they make it that far, even ones with mediocre initiative?

>>2167942
Not really, no. I just put a shield on them.

>>2167942
for just squeezing value out of someone shit yeah

I didn't know enemies could trigger their own resolve checks.
I had a nomad with a hammer carve the skull of his friend next to him, which caused him to instantly try to run away.

>>2168428
He remembered he left the oven on

I tried Poacher, Beast Slayer and Deserter origins, and holy shit they all suck ass.

>>2169302
poachers is one of the strongest origins

>>2169302
slaying beasts in general suck ass
>deserters having low resolve
they obviously have resolve high enough to desert

Do origins actually affects the quality of recruits? I've been trying Lone Wolf and every single recruits I've hired have surprisingly high stats.
Meanwhile when I did Peasant Militia, it was the opposite.

>>2169777
Peasant Militia only has access to recruits with lowborn backgrounds, it's the origin special handicap to make up for their bigger number field members in battle.

>>2101201 (OP)
>The term Hedge Knight is just something George R. R. Martin made up.
What

>>2169826
Yeah but I've noticed I've been getting better/shittier recruits from the same backgrounds depending on the origin I played.
The daytaler I have in LW averaged 60-50 in combat skills with pretty high starting defense. Meanwhile in PM daytalers average 40 with very little defensive stats.

>>2169845
Honestly its kinda weird how inspired by GoT Battlebrothers is when I think about it.
It's way more just GoT smashed into Warhammer Fantasy than it is reflective of the actual medieval period.
I know its a fantasy game but still.
Hedge knight is a nice term though, it communicates exactly what you think of when you think of a battlebrothers knight, which is a big violent brute that is probably equal parts retarded and vicious.
>>2169325
The real reason deserters have low resolve I don't think is entirely justifiable by lore, afterall, not every deserter is a coward, rather, its entirely gameplay balance. The game doesn't want you to have any lowborn professional soldiers unless they're defective(retired) or overpriced(sellsword).
I don't actually know if either of those count as lowborn in terms of recruit-ability for peasant militia, but regardless of peasant militia status they definitely have backstories that point towards the idea of them being lowborn considering they're distinct from actual nobles you can get and knights.

>>2169845
>Edge Knight

>a cheap shield bro is nearly level 7 and still have 48 m.atk because every single level he rolled +1
>too tight on money to hire higher quality bros
>all potential replacement are either cripplingly bad or just die in the first battle
Can't believe he's probably going to reach veteran levels while still unable to hit shit half the time.
At least he can block.

>>2170490
And he's dead.
The one time he needed to block he failed and received a man splitter to the skull for his trouble.
Didn't get his armor back of course.

>all my melee bros have 2-3 stars in ratk
>all my ranged bros have 2-3 stars in HP
Life is truly unfair sometimes

>>2167942
If the fodder bro makes it so far, he should get nimble. Nimble doesn't always have to be paired with dodge but dodge is very nice.
I typically give dodge to all nimble frontliners who don't have a shield. The nimble bros with shields are dedicated shield bros with shield expert.
Backliners with throwing weapons get nimble too but can miss dodge if you need a perk.

>>2107387
I'm actually so glad they didn't just do Battle Brothers but modern/near future

>>2171641
>melee bros with javelins
>ranged bros that won't be double tapped by other ranged
I fail to see the issue

>>2172595
Based. And shotgonne friendly.

>>2172595
>melee bros with 70 mtak and maybe 10 mdef at level 11
>ranged bros with 70 ratk at level 11

>>2172717
haha javelins go hwoot

>>2172717
I fail to not see the skill issue

I just got a bug where a contract reward was meant to gave me some venison as well, and instead filled up my entire inventory with food items.
I just made an extra 7000 gold for a 500 gold contract to kill spiders.

I'm currently having two major skill issues and any advice you guys can offer would be appreciated.
How do you guys find enemies and camps outside contracts? If I wander through the woods for a few days, aren't I losing time I need to keep up with scaling?
Second question, I always stall out with brigand raiders, orc young, and reavers. I want to go after enemies with better armor and weapons but possessed fallen heroes and barbarian chosen fuck me up everytime I try to fight them and I can't even find hedge knights. I saw people saying buying armor is wrong though, cause its overpriced and you can loot it, but where and how do I build up to that? I think I'm not taking enough fights and probably keep mediocre bros too long. Do I just use nimble guys in the meanwhile?

>>2173900
>How do you guys find enemies and camps outside contracts? If I wander through the woods for a few days
Wandering around is a thing. The retinue that increases movement speed (don't remember the name) is an amazing first pick for that reason.
Generally the further away from a town you are the higher chances for camps to spawn. They rarely spawn in the woods near the roads and when they do it's typically low level camps.
>aren't I losing time I need to keep up with scaling?
General advice: time scaling is "mostly" a myth. There's a big jump on day 45 when a bunch of enemies get new perks but beyond that mark it's very gradual and minor. As long as you aren't trying to speedrun you really don't have to worry about time passing, though obviously you want to fight as much as possible. If you build good bros you simply never "fall behind".
> I want to go after enemies with better armor and weapons but possessed fallen heroes and barbarian chosen fuck me up everytime I try to fight them
The armour those enemies got is pretty bad. You fight chosen for their weapons especially their axes.
You should fight rival mercenary companies, or noble or southern armies to loot armour. Nomads also tend to have decent armour. Linothorax and southern mail are really good and you can get both from southern conscripts.
> Do I just use nimble guys in the meanwhile?
Absolutely.
Nimble is simply superior to battleforged unless you have really heavy armour which requires either prime bros or decent bros with a fat neut build. In any campaign and especially in the early game most bros should go nimble. Your low quality brigand or nomad armour is perfectly usable for nimble bros until you get something better.
Constantly switching to the heaviest armour you have and trying to make every bro a battleforged is a rookie mistake.

>>2173900
>How do you guys find enemies and camps outside contracts?
The Lookout helps see things further, the Scout helps travel faster, going on hill/mountain tiles also increase your vision range.
In general roaming enemies (outside of endgame events and nighttime parties like Alps) means there's a camp somewhere around.
>If I wander through the woods for a few days, aren't I losing time I need to keep up with scaling?
You don't need to worry about time scaling, it's pretty weak outside of the sudden spike on Day 40 (most enemies get new perks). The biggest factor is party strength (and distance from settlement for camps) so even if you do jackshit for weeks, you won't really notice any difference.
>but where and how do I build up to that?
Mercenaries, noble armies and southern armies (although the latter is a pain in the ass to fight) will get you armor and weapons you'll be carrying for most of the game until you get named gears, and are much easier to deal with than the buff guys (who usually have shit armor but make that up by tearing you a new asshole)
>Do I just use nimble guys in the meanwhile?
Unless you have a bro who is built to become a good tank, yes. It takes a ton of heavy armor for BF to be useful, and for most of the early game your bros wear shit like rusty mail that is light enough for Nimble.

>>2173900
Nothing wrong with buying armor especially if you can get it on the cheap and or if you have extra cash from trading for example. Just be smart about it, get good rep with that settlement and ideally make sure it has an armory and a positive event for further discount. Good timing is when a caravan just arrived for another example.

And take it easy dude. You're probably going to fuck up now and then, and that's expected, but when eventually you'll figure out what works for you, how to beat certain things and it'll click. Just don't bump it to expert from the get-go, experiment with different loadouts and you're good.

>>2174115
>southern armies (although the latter is a pain in the ass to fight)
Bruv... Am I the only one here that loves farming those swarthy fucks?

>>2174504
>Just don't bump it to expert from the get-go
wrong

>>2174566
Do you even own a fursuit?

>>2174504
imo the armor economy is really bad, by the time you can afford good armor reliably, you usually no longer need to buy them.
Why the fuck would I need to pray for RNG to give me beneficial pricing in specific towns, and needing to do caravan jobs, when it's easier to just shank the local lords?

>>2174629
Who's to say you can't do both? There's more than one noble house around afterall. You don't have to, obviously, but with trade you can afford really good mail or light scale long before you can lock down nobles on farm status.

>extra cash from trading for example
>a random npc caravan just arrived as you did a local job
Trade income doesn't scale and no rng involved unless you're gunning for that coveted all noble mail sallet company lol.

>>2174637
You can also just get good mail from noble troops, and incidentally, you get small parties, often with little backline support, from guarded caravans.

>>2174649
Yeah sure. Again, why not both? Pick up a piece here and there if you got the dosh to spare is reasonable, never ever buy any armor is not. My 2c at least.

>>2150673
lol

>>2174658
Oh yeah I didn't mean to say you can't, just that you don't usually need to.

>>2174707
Right? Nothing wrong about being flexible in how you do things as long as it works out for you. I feel too many people get hang up on following some guide or such to a T. Worst case scenario you get to think about what you could've done different and have a learning experience you can trust.

>>2174707
Also that first anon gave him some reasonably good advice and I didn't want to butt in further. Just that one line about never buying armor at all caught my eye. And sure, raider and maa gear can carry you the entire game just fine but he shouldn't treat the store as radioactive because of that.

>contract ends up with random necromancer
>he actually spawns on the frontline in reach of my ranged bros
>they all got a really good chance of hitting him
>Chance 91, Roll 100
>Chance 81, Roll 100
>Chance 86, Roll 100
>Chance 91, Roll 99
>savescum and try again
>similar results
>keep trying again and again
>always rolling above 97
What the fuck am I fighting

>>2175311
A crippling skill issue

>>2175311
should have put more points into luck

>go hunt some greenskins for shekels
>okay bro
>plethora of orc young
>free money here we go
>prebattle lists orc warlord

>hire a bro called Guido around day 40 to fill a cannon fodder spot
>decent stats for a cheap bro, star in mdef, tiny so extra def
>can't fucking hit for shit
>can't fucking block for shit
>get his shit kicked in by literally everyone and everything
>every fight ends with him on the brink of death with an injury or two
>but he never fucking dies
>200 days later and he's still alive and kicking
He's literally the third oldest member of the company and even outlived his replacement. He's a weirdly efficient shield bro in his own way.

>>2109729
I would avoid Fearsome (because it is not valuable on such a high damage build), Nimble (since he has a shield and no duelist) and Gifted (because presumably the base stats for this bro are already quite good).

I often see people talking shit about ranged in these threads. Why? A bunch of nigs with crossbows are a great way to deal with most of the problems the game throws your way.

>>2177259
>Nimble (since he has a shield and no duelist)
Would you switch nimble for forged or simple not have either perk?
I'm not sure how survivable a frontline build with neither nimble nor forged would be, even with a good shield and I'm also not sure why having a shield would make forged better than nimble.
>>2178732
Throwing weapons are good.
Bows suck ass
Crossbows and guns are situational, they are pretty good in some cases and pretty bad in other fights. The hardest fight in the game is against ancient undead and crossbows are bad for that matchup.

>>2178863
I think you just might be shit at using bows anon, which is kinda understandable since they actually require really good bros to shine and most people apparently don't have the patience for that. But can't really imagine not having a couple in my companies. And yeah, sure, but you don't fight exclusievly honor guard stacks the entire game do you?
How do you deal with gobbos, massive unhold herds, lindworms, throngs of sneks etc? Honest question. Nets, dogs and a dream or you got something else cooking?

>>2178883
If a weapon requires top of the line specialized bros to be somewhat situational then it's a bad weapon.
>And yeah, sure, but you don't fight exclusievly honor guard stacks the entire game do you?
What do your archers do against orc warriors? T3 orc camps have some of the highest chances to spawn famed items and archers suck there.
Versatility is key and a 2h axe/mace/hammer, heavy throwing axes or qatal will work against everything even with a midrate bro.
If I roll a godbro why would I make him an archer that's going to only be decent in some situations when I could make him a tank or a duelist or a thrower who's going to be great in every single battle?
>How do you deal with gobbos
Fearsome, throwers, pathfinder to catch up with them. Honestly I don't struggle with goblins at all.
>unholds
2h weapons make short work of them, unholds are very easy.
>lindwurms
I rarely fight them as I think it's not really worth it in terms of risk/reward once they start coming in packs of 6+. The loot isn't particularly good. I guess lindwurm scale cloak is a good attachment but you can get the bone plate from unholds which are way easier than lindwurms.
>snakes
Underdog, high mdef, high damage, plus one of the few scenarios in which the round swing from the axe works great. I don't understand what's the issue with snakes? Like most beasts they are pretty easy past the early game.

The fact that you think that unholds or snakes are hard tells me that your company lacks damage.
The hard enemies in the game are chosen, orc warriors, nomad specialists and ancient dead. Everything else should be trivial once your company gets going.

>>2178930
>What do your archers do against orc warriors?
By mid game when they start appearing?
Take out chaff, apply overwhelm and usually poison. Often nets and bombs are involved.
By lategame? If they have any matk potential they ain't half bad whippers in a pinch either and OWs or warlords ain't immune to disarm. And good roll warbow ain't half bad at stripping armor either. iirc it's up to 90-95 damage at 90% effective / 55% armor ignore and that ain't half bad more so if your crossbowmen have polehammers

Meanwhile until you reach that point regular bows will SLAUGHTER zerkers and young while you establish proper.

>they are pretty easy past the early game
This. You go on like you spawn with a balls to the walls end game kitted out company and make a bee-line towards the ziggurat. What's situational about (a) weapon(s) that's great for 90% of the actual game and doesn't require extensive investment? A poacher with a crossie is pocket change and you can get most of his early-mid kit from raiders. A hunter bowfag needs only to survive long enough, a good bow and some unhold bones. Both are much more affordable than that fancy Ser Assripper the 2h hedgeknight.

>your company lacks damage
Can't complain and I did themed archer or such only expert runs. Most battles go with a good part of the enemies being riddled with projectiles and those that survive and close in get introduced to the business end of a cleaver or a heavy mace. My worst enemies are the lack of a convenient arrow maker on the map and those fucking scharts.

How does the resolve check for getting surrounded works?
I have a level 13 bro with 80 resolve and the fucker keep hitting "Breaking" morale whenever a couple of enemy engage him. It's really annoying to have a shield bro with -20% in all stats every fights.

>>2179078
I believe this is still relevant. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZMGUIT9AaBzLIoXTY8LgMJzHQR_JuOzdluymQb4Fvi4/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0
Short answer they roll each time an enemy enters their zoc at an increasing disadvantage for each enemy already inside it.

Are there any similar games but with auto-battler combat. I can't enjoy seem to turn-based micro anymore. Apparently there's an AB mod for BB but it's not very good based on reviews.

>>2175311
the RNG in BB is somewhat broken, it tend to roll numbers in close range, which most of the time is not that visible but sometimes it is like in your example

my bow bros were the most overpowered part of my company against everything that is not ancient undead

>>2179419
When talking about bows, people like to pretend that every fight is an ancient dead fight.
Having one bow is always handy, even very late in the game, because there's always some faggot to snipe and/or some poorly armored schmuck to delete (unless you're fighting ancient deads of course).

>>2179452
bow does surprisingly well against ancient priests since their stat are so low
i found out because i did not have 12 healthy melee dudes during undead crisis and had to make do

>>2169845
George R.R. Martin most definitely got the term from "hedge priest", which was historical used to describe unschooled priests who held congregations on the side of the road. So really it's not something completely made up. It's like calling someone a "Knight of Fortune", it's just taking established terms like "soldier of fortune" and "captain of fortune" and substituting in "knight".

>>2179419
That means your melee bros must have been shit

>veteran sword bro who cuts down orc warriors for a living
>"YIKES, ARE THOSE DIREWOLVES COMING FOR ME?! HELP ME CAPTAIN! I'M PANICKING!"

>>2179452
I really don't get that kind of thinking. It's not the best in slot imaginable for one endgame battle so it's absolutely dogshit cancer unusable for everything up to that. What the hell.

>he breaks enemies shields
Think of all the money you could have gained from selling them.

I'm playing Lone Wolf right now, and I'm wondering:
Can the "player" bro actually survive being killed and get permanent injuries? Or does going down trigger a game over no matter what?

>>2180322
yes

I come back to playing after few years break and now remember why I dropped it
this game is chore to play, so slow and full of little annoying things

>attack
>woosh
>lose
>reload
>attack
>no woosh
>win

>>2180890
Kino

>average bro
>Broken Knee
>Survivor bro
>Missing Eye, Missing Ear, Missing Nose

Barbarians going crazy with rotations lead to some funny situations
>Barbarians fight going badly
>Chosen get rotated off the frontline
>he takes that opportunity to reach an opening in the front and get to a backline bro
>at the start of the turn, hit my backline bro, nearly killing him
>if he stay there's nothing I could have done to save that bro, too much health and armor, no bro to disable him nearby and he's jammed in there so no moving him either
>retard decide to rotate with the injured reaver behind him
>reaver turn happen after everyone else due to his injuries and get killed almost immediately
>chosen is now isolated and stuck in the frontline

>8 years
>still haven't fixed the bug where fleeing NPCs can escape through any unseen tiles
>even if said tiles are in the middle of the map
It makes "Raze location" impossible to complete properly, I literally had 8 peasants disappear on turn 1.

Hella cope for sucking that much

>>2182605
Post company

I swear dogs spawn with the lucky trait or something.
Even far in the late game, it somehow always take 2 or 3 bros to actually get a hit on them. They almost always dodge the first few attacks with insane rolls.

>>2182632
Which one you want? Reforged, regular and normal or meme run like cultist or solo lone wolf? I've got a dozen different companies on hold I grew bored with past day 200 and about twice that "beat the game".

Your problem is you chasing nigs and you didn't bring their natural enemies of whip and dog. Also learn to flank dude, you know they gonna run so why leave them an opening? Envelop those fucks and fold them like laundry.

>>2183073
>anons thinly veiled homosexual fantasies
>>2183683
Imagine him being such a good bro he sucks the dick of the entire badn

>>2179479
>>2169993
>>2169845
The hedge knight is basically a homage to the knights that would go on adventure in literature like Lancelot before he encounters Arthur. Battle brothers is basically all the riverlands chapters in a song of ice and fire.

>>2187359
That's knight errant dumbass

>>2187444
which is what a hedge knight is

>decide to look for the weird tree to heal my 2H mace bro
>he's the oldest bro in my company, having survived 3 different deaths, he's extremely reliable despite his injuries but he have no face at this point
>wanted to heal him as a token of appreciation
>but my banner bro really need it too
>a brawler with very high resolve, had really good combat stats too
>but he got brain damage fairly early, very useful for resolve at first but it tanked his ini for Dodge
>the ini hit finally caught up to him during exploration, broken knee followed by broken elbow
>he literally cannot hold himself anymore, he can't hit, he can't avoid hits and any fight might be his last
>but I could fix that by healing him
>my 2H mace bro can live with his injuries, my banner bro can't
In the end I gave it to my banner bro.
I could have just let him die and replaced him, but to be honest his actual stats without the injuries were really good and now he can actually protect the ranged bros again.
Plus his brain damage was my fault, I took a gamble with a crossbow shot and he was the one who paid for it.

>>2187582
tree to heal bros? There is so much shit in this game I've never seen. I've never survived past a crises before

>>2187842
>tree to heal bros?
It's a legendary location in the woods that gives you an unique consumable that remove all permanent injuries (and Old).

>>2187582
I couldn't imagine using it on anyone but a really good swordmaster or king's guard

So I tried the Grand Diviner fight, and I have to say it's surprisingly fun.

I'm convinced that everyone save scums in this game, that's the only way they survive over 100 days. Every time I play this game I lose usually between the days 40-80 or so. I don't get how people are so successful in this game. You always see youtubers and streamers playing on expert and they never lose. It's such bullshit. They also use mods which I don't use so maybe they are cheating. Also you always see youtubers and streamers use no shields which I call bullshit. Moment you don't use a shield in this game you die.

>>2157207
I don't use mods in this game, I think it's cheating

>>2104601
Because the game doesn't have DEI, it bothers libtards

>>2189633
They could be cheating, sure. OR they learned to stack the odds in their favor, know how to predict the AI since it's very consistent in its decision making and have a solid game knowledge of what's what.

>>2189633
While RNG can be pretty unforgiving, there's a lot of way to mitigate it until you get a company that can stand on its own.
For starter, spears are the beginner weapons, damage wise they suck but the increased accuracy is a godsent when your average starting bro can't hit the broadside of a barn.
The enemy AI is fairly predictable, so that you can always set yourself to get the first hit or reach their backline.
Finally, your bros are replaceable at that stage, you get cheap ones, they'll probably won't survive on their own, so don't bother saving them, which will cost the lives of your better bros.
I don't usually start save scumming until the first endgame event, and that's usually the result of it being undeads.

>>2189633
I 100% savescum when I miss a 80% hit 4 times in a row and get hit by a 14% hit that destroys his armor followed by a 23% that injures his mdef and 47% hit that kills him. Because that's just bullshit. But if I lose some guys legit or due to a stupid decision I let it ride.

>>2189633
>that's the only way they survive over 100 days
other is to learn the game and lay it safe
its boring

>>2189633
I savescum, when lindwurms attack me, and when I'm forced to fight goblins and they have the high ground

>>2189633
I savescum swamp fights because our character is a fucking retard. In what fucking world having all your men knee deep in water a good thing?

I hate the kraken fight so goddamn much
>your bro isn't a high ini duelist?
>get fucked
>your bro failed to break free twice because RNG fucked you?
>get fucked
>the battlefield is 90% water?
>get fucked

>>2190566
>anon shitting his pants and screeching at his monitor about rng
>meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2mQAJ3N9E

>>2189633
Bait or terminal skill issue?
Call it
>>2190566
Reeds method
Only use bros with INI above 100, put everybody else away for that fight. They can be naked if need be, they won't suffer any damage.
One bait tank bro with the goblin amulet, lone wolf perk and shields.
Bros start by hiding away in reeds while bait bro gets all the tentacles around him.
Bait bro moves far far away, ideally find a tile of ground surrounded by water.
Other bros move and surround the kraken and hit it with 2 tile range weapons.
I have won the kraken fight with 0 damage.

>>2190911
>Bait or terminal skill issue?
Both.

After doing the Kraken, the Ijirok and the Lorekeeper, all absolutely awful bosses, the Grand Diviner is actually very fun.

>>2190601
>>2190911
It's the problem of this bossfight, it requires a very specific build to beat.

>>2191316
Nah, you just suck. I did it with nothing special expert manhunters for fucks sake.

>>2191320
Yeah I'm sure you did.

>>2191131
Called it.

>constantly getting ambushed by dozen of unholds
I feel like the devs vastly overestimated the power of unholds, my entire company is above level 20 and most of them are carrying named gears (holy fuck getting named crossbows and throwables is an absolute nightmare), but they just keep coming, it's really annoying.

sucks to suck

>>2191312
the grand diviner does barely anything though

>>2191531
It honestly does. Please help me not suck.

>>2192754
Alright so first off from now on you will only take your opinion from people parroting some autist who spent 40 years trying a solo lvl 1 fist only challenge, who will tell you how the game is actually incredibly easy because in a theorical setting where everything goes your way, you can't lose.
>but how do I play the game?
You don't need to, you already got all you need to lord over those who do.

>decide to replace my 2H cleaver bro
>72 m.atk at level 18, any injury just instantly tank it below 50 and he becomes useless
>can't get a decent bro to replace him
>they all somehow manage to do worse and keep rolling +1 m.atk
This is incredibly fucking gay

>incredibly fucking gay
Just like you?

BB with Legends mod is fucking awesome

>>2197386
sorry I meant REFORGED: https://www.nexusmods.com/battlebrothers/mods/765

>>2197387
sorry I actually meant LEGENDS: https://www.nexusmods.com/battlebrothers/mods/60

>>2197390
fuck off

>>2197495
fuck on

>>2197529
so what do you think about reforged

>>2101201 (OP)
bump

>fighting southerners
>25 enemies, mostly conscripts, a few gunners and a mortar
>try to attack them strategically, try to pick off gunners and engineers
>2 deaths, several injuries and everyone is on the brink of death
>fight them again later
>35 enemies, tons of gunners, two mortars, special enemies, a champion assassin...
>just take a defensive position and wait for them to come to me
>barely a scratch
I genuinely don't get it

>>2197648
Really like the sword ability changes for one.

what do battle bros spend their daily pay on? Do they save it? Some of them would be quite rich if you think about it since we have to pay for everything. It's not like they have plans for retiring to some farm and living happy ever after.

>>2198670
>It's not like they have plans for retiring to some farm and living happy ever after.
That's quite literally both an ending for you, a pay increase negotiation event and an event in general. That said I'd assume whores, luxuries, booze and gambling.

>>2198670
I think the commoners would send money to their families and saving up for retirement/other prospects, and some whores, booze and games.
Nobles and criminals would probably spend all of it on whores, booze and games. Or invest in the case of nobles.

Is Darxo autistic? He seems to make most of his changes on anti fun or trying to be different. Like im watching slurgis stream and I dont get the hardened changes

>Player is Rich event
>refuse to give bros raise
>half my bros still get a raise through Greedy

>>2198819
>modder
>autistic
>anti fun
Part of the course. More so for overhaul mods since them will always try to "balance" the mod and nerf the shit out of everything remotely OP. And Hardened aims to be a more hardcore version of Reforged so you can bet it doesn't exactly means to be a fun experience.

>>2198789
you can't send money home to your families in this time period, no such service

>>2198830
>Not immediately getting the paymaster

>>2199850
Lone Wolf

>>2199860
>Not immediately getting the paymaster

>fighting assassins
>AI uses adrenaline
>new turn
>immediately wait
>end up doing nothing
>repeat 3 times
I will never understand the AI 57D chess moves

I did it, I beat the gobbo city. It was incredibly tedious.
I get gobbos entire concept is that they suck up cloe so they stall you as hard as possible, but holy shit that does not make for a fun fight.

>>2201554
>gobbos entire concept is that they suck up close
197 wolf riders have entered the chat

>>2201593
Don't get me wrong, they hurt, and even gobbo skirmishers with fucking daggers and polearms will fucking bleed you, but they're all very squishy.
Wolf riders are extremely annoying if anything, since it takes them at least 3 turns to close in.

>>2201818
>at least 3 turns to close in
>at least
>you shift one bro
>they reset and start pivoting to the other side instead
https://youtu.be/9kAEoCHANYY

I've killed two dozen lindwurms by now and have gotten exactly ZERO (0) scales.
Cutting through 5000-6000 combined HP with enemies that can just kill your heavily armored on a dice roll is NOT worth the time and effort.

>muh rng?!!11
Ah, yes. The traditional mating call of the coping shitter.

I like this game but whenever I pull up a youtube video, the youtuber has like 50,000 gold and everyone has these perfect rosters. I saw this guy with a sword that has chain lightning and shit. Bro if that's the end, then I don't even want to see the end game. What a turn off. Like I don't want a bunch of bros with pocket 2 handed weapons. How does that make sense? It's just cheesy.

>>2202025
>trust me bro, just dodge 10 dice rolls that can instantly end a bro below 70 hp every single turn, it's easy
The traditional mating call of someone who don't play the game and only parrot what popular streamers say

>>2202040
It's a well known fact that if you don't optimize the fun out of the game, you're bad at it.
Honestly there's not really any part of the game that require you to have an optimal company. Some legendary locations like the Kraken or the Gobbo City demands specific builds, but otherwise you can do fine with a jack of all trades party. You'll start losing your shittier bros as difficulty increases and they no longer cut it, but then you should have the funds to get higher quality bros, so it's not like you'd be seriously pressured into making the perfect company.

>coping shitter
Called it. lmao.

>>2202040
So don't pull condensed vids and just play?

>>2202050
I don't listen to the opinion of people who don't play the game.

Get gud zoomie

>>2202049
I don't understand how people get 50,000 gold by day 120 and full end game gear on every bro with like 100 HP. This ain't a case of getting good. This is just just stupid.

sucks to suck lmao

>>2202086
You enjoy bragging about your single player game to a basket weaving forum? Fuck you dipshit, enjoy your incredulous game.

I enjoy taking the piss from whiny shitters like you.
>this desperate for a reply
lmao

>>2202097
You are the one desperate for a reply. The whole passive aggressive, I'm not going to reply to your post thing proves my point. Yall are fucking losers.

Well, the game is so easy I need to find alternate ways to amuse myself. Like laughing at random filtered zoomzooms chimping out. :)

>>2202121
First off I'm probably older than you you fucking loser. I'm mid 30s. Not a zoomer. This game just fucking sucks.

OK zoomie.

>>2198046
i dont get it either.

when i whined about this 6 months ago someone here told me to get archers, that's how to counter them apparently

>>2202436
Not sure what's not to get. The conscripts are very squishy and the gunners and assassins have short range and no shields. Also if they're forced to come to you, you should always have at least one round of AP advantage. That's pretty big considering no charge or barb adrenaline.

>>2202436
Having fought them for a while now, I sorta understand how they work and why they're much tougher to deal with than northerners.
Just like northerners, the frontline is there to delay you while the backline cuts you down, but the way they do it is completely different.
>frontline wear less armor and have less health than their northern counterpart but rely almost exclusively on Nimble to survive, which they almost max out (the heaviest armor is like 50%)
So realistically, conscripts have over twice their actual health and armor, making them a lot tankier than northerners. They're much weaker to bleed tho.
>frontline and polearms heavily make use of Backstabber to fight you, so being surrounded is a major problem compared to northerners
>gunners struggle against any sort of armor, but they often come in number and will attempt to wear you down by repeatedly hitting the same area
>gunners are insanely squishy, they have almost no armor and don't use Nimble, their weapon also require them to stay fairly close to the frontline to work
It's the reason archers work so well against them, two hits is all it takes to kill them, and bows do just that from far away.
>Mortars suck but they don't deal a ton of damage, mostly exist to nerf your bros through Shellshocked and moral checks
Realistically, the only bros who are going to be hit by mortar are your frontline engaged in melee, who can shrug it off for the most part.
>Engineers are extremely squishy, having no armor and barely anything to defend themselves
>unlike Gunners, the AI doesn't really care about Engineers and won't put any effort to protect them
Bows work great against them as well.
>Officers are more offensive focused Knights, with heavy armor and hard hitters, but preferring staying in the back
>Southerners have no rallying unit and rely on their medium-high resolve to stay in the fight, once panic start kicking in, it's over

>>2202575
>The conscripts are very squishy
They're deceptively tougher than they look.
They make full use of Nimble (I think the heaviest set of armor a conscript can have still give them like 50+% damage reduction), so while their health and armor are weaker than their northern counterpart, they're actually much tougher than them.
Add the fact their have Backstabber and Fast Adaptation make them a lot more dangerous.
Thankfully they only spawn with a weak shield and they don't have Shield Expert, so they have a much harder time avoiding hits, so just like northerners, hitting them until they die is still the way to go.

>>2202851
You're giving them way too much credit. If there aren't a bunch of gladiators or officers around they're better melee goblins without the annoying shit goblins do or poison range support that makes them dangerous early on.

Only way I can see them being a problem is if you're fighting on their terms. Building bros with nimble and light armor and skimping on ranged firepower. Which is perfectly fine but you are *playing* into their strengths then.

dude fuck spiders im just gonna savescum and abandon the mission

>>2202889
Oh yeah, I just meant you can't really go aggressive against them the way you do with northerners because letting them surround you is fighting on their term.
But yes, they're still fucking low tier meat shield there to delay you.

>>2203170
They're pretty easy to deal with, there's just a lot of them which make them look scarier than they actually are.
They only have one action per turn (either bite or web, but will bite if their target is already webbed) and they are pretty squishy.
Try to prioritize removing the web off bros, especially if you have 2H ones who can't attack if they're busy removing web, because the lowered m.def paired with multiple attackers will make short work of your bros.

I'm trying to figure out how much damage the Berserk Chain does on a crit, because it just instantly deleted a 120hp bro with a 400 helmet.

I tried the hide-in-grass Kraken strat and it never works like the guides say it's supposed to. The tentacles seem to find my bros even if they're hidden. When the map isn't right and I have to retreat, the tentacles (which are "supposed" to stay in place when you click the white flag) sometimes chase me anyway.
I'd suspect mods are the issue but I only have QoL stuff like 4x speed and visible sell price modifier on settlements.

>>2205447
You'll never do the same damage as a proper zerker unless you play anatomists

>Have to fight 50 undead
>Fight goes extremely well no losses but on 3 left the game crashes on decapitation
>Redo the fight and I get two killed because I'm playing recklessly trying to speed through the fight I might've accepted one but not two
>Redo the fight carefully as the first time and on 11 left the game crashes on decapitation
I'm going to lose it.

>>2206490
Avast enjoyer?

Does the Reforged perks "Rebuke" and "En Garde" stack on a bro with a 1H Sword with Riposte AND a Shield? Will he have Riposte and Rebuke active at the same time by the end of the turn?

I'm curious what causes the AI to start mass retreating, because I just fought webkniggers, but, this time they didn't ran away like they usually when you start thinning out their numbers.
Killed about 70 of them in total, and they never ran away. Still better than having to press End Turn for 6 fucking turns.

I'm pretty sure the game applies some sort of damage reduction in legendary fights.
I can almost consistently one-shot ancient honor guards, but in the BM fight they've been tanking incredibly hard.
Same thing happened with the gobbo city, the skirmishers took a lot more hits to kill than they usually do.

>>2205534
I don't ever press the white flag, you don'twant your bros running around randomly.

I'm fairly sure Necrosavants have some weird gimmick where they rerolls hits, similar to Lucky.
I've reached this point where my bros have reliably above 90% chance of hitting them, and yet they miss 3/4th of their hits every single time I'm fighting Necrosavants.

>55 mdef bro constantly get bodied in melee
>40 mdef bros don't have this problem

Ok so, i just started playing Wartales two days ago-- game is certainly fun but a little different than BB... i do kinda like how it's narrative-driven lite..

>>2202018
yep, some enemies are just not worth fighting, like ever

Lotta skill issue itt

>>2209835
I'm killing groups of 3-4 somewhat consistently now (beyond that it's hard to break them apart, and a bro fighting more than 2 is a dead bro), but they hit way too hard, even with endgame gears they tend to just randomly delete you, and there's no real counter to it.
Technically bone plating should delay the inevitable, but it's been a mixed bag in my experience. Lindwurm cloaks work better since your bros don't end up bare assed when the hits happen, but once they get a m.def injury it's over for them if you can't pull them out.
I genuinely don't see how people fights with lindwurms in ironman. I had fights with them go extremely badly simply due to bad luck.

>>2210382
Dedicated tanks and overwhelm go a long way

Talking about lindwurms, I had a contract fight involving lindwurms and nachos, and was disappointed to find out large nachos only eat the player's bros.
I really wanted to see a nacho eat a lindwurm.

>>2210405
I've seen them eat orcs before.

I have 1500 hours in this game and I've only reached "end game" like 10 times.

I know all the basics and most of the advanced knowledge. I just think I'm too impatient to play optimally.

Any tips? My main issues seem to be:

>By day 50-60, I start getting strapped for cash - unable to pay for upkeep + tools/medicine + save up enough to buy good brothers.
>I lose good brothers
>I'm unable to find legendary equipment

>>2210552
For start ditch the hours crap since it's meaningless and no shame playing on lower difficulty. I'll still laugh at you but in good fun.

>earn more
Trade and arena entry, raiding trophy farming and alchemist advanced. Neither are mandatory but help especially if you have the origin that works with it.

>spend less
Raider gear into military surplus + rumor location gear is perfectly fine. If you don't know how to earn or are simply strapped at the moment stop spending as much. Paymaster is your friend.

>>I lose good brothers
Stop? That's your main problem. The more you lose the more you feel the need to spend to catch up and the riskier missions you'll take to earn more but actually lose more. Let the cycle be discontinued.

>>good brothers
A good brother is one that gets the job done. And if that job involves picking up some poor sod just to roleplay as a doorstop for a fight, hey, at least you don't have to feed him a second time. The more you learn how to position and what to equip the wider your definition of a good bro will be. And don't get me wrong muh hedges are great but a thief is fine too if you know what you're doing.

Just relax and go at your pace. Experiment.

>>2210552
>I lose good brothers
Define good bros.
Recruits with good stats or high level bros?
If you mean a recruit with good stats, he's still a fucking squishy recruit and he will die like any other newcomers even with good gears. But there are ways to keep a potential good bro alive until he can fend for himself, like polearms.
If you mean a high level bro, either you're playing too aggressively/badly, at which point you need to pay more attention to how your enemies act and respond accordingly, or you're trying to save dying bros, which is a great way to throw away good bros, because you'll be putting them in really bad positions to try to save a soon to be corpse who couldn't save himself.

>"Blessed Water is insanely good in the Black Monolith fight to deal with legionaries and honor guards"
>throw 4 water in the crowd of enemies on the right
>only 6 ancient legionaries hit
I feel like people parrot old advices, this shit was absolutely worthless.
Still, I haven't succeeded at the Black Monolith fight.

>>2210600
I only play at the highest difficulty, I refuse to go down in difficulty just to be able to get to the end game.

>Paymaster
Got it, never tried him before, I will now.

>Cannon fodder
Got it, I usually don't play like this - but I guess it's part of the game. I'll get cripples and servants or whatever, give them a spear and shield and let them tank 1-2 rounds in the early game.

Thanks a lot.

>>2210629
My definition of a good traditional 2h frontline bro has been: "This guy will be useful when he reaches level 11."

Meaning, stars in the right places, meaning;
>80+ melee attack
>30+ melee defense
>40+ resolve
>110+ fatigue

If I find one with either bad melee def or resolve (or both) - but still good melee attack and fatigue - then I'll usually specialize them towards polearms.

Good melee attack and defense but bad fatigue, I'll usually do some sort of nimble build.

Everyone else that has good starting stats but not good stars I'll usually consider non-cannon fodder but "temporary" until I find a bro with good stars.

>or you're trying to save dying bros, which is a great way to throw away good bros, because you'll be putting them in really bad positions to try to save a soon to be corpse who couldn't save himself.
Yep, this is true. It's happened before that I put good bros in an awkward spot trying to save temporary bros/cannon fodder, and then as soon as the latter dies the good bro is next up.

I'll stop doing that as well.

Thanks for all the advice guys.

If I may: Advice for dealing with Lindwurms? If I remember correctly from the early days of BB, you're supposed to have one tank bro for each Lindwurm you're fighting, you taunt + indomitable and then use archers + polearm bros to kill the tail?

>>2210690
Gotta learn to walk before you learn to fly anon. Good luck tho.
https://youtu.be/0wU77k-xqd4

>fight Lorekeeper
>HORROR HORROR HORROR
Well fuck you too.

Wow, the Lorekeeper is boring. Just boring.
Who the fuck thought this fight was okay? I'm chasing a skelly spaz halfway across the map while fighting a bunch of undeads and breaking jars that sometime are unreachable because fuck you.

Save it for your therapy faggot.

>>2210952
Calm down schizo.

>>2210959
Your mother, you whiny shit.

>>2210929
Yeah it kinda is just long and annoying. There's no real danger there if you can kill the guards. Nothing else does any damage unless you leave squishies unescorted for 10+ turns.