Thread 2104184

It's over


https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png (embed) - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5pdqt.png (embed) - Japan rework. OTL PMs only, please.
https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev back from break, will respond to all bait.
https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png (embed) - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.
https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc with mandatory non-canon nukes.
https://files.catbox.moe/m4x325.png (embed) - Fash Brazil content you'll never get to play.
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.
https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png (embed) - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png (embed) - Croatia flowchart #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png (embed) - Croatia flowchart #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png (embed) - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png (embed) - Thailand flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.png (embed) - Turkestan Legion rework flowchart.

my retarded ass forgot remove the embed text
oh WELL

Big Weld will save TNO

Second for fuck TNO jannies, devs and their sycophants

>>2104194
Lololololol

>>2104194
GOD
DAMNIT

>>2104184 (OP)
>Early
>Not having the leaks prepared
>Not having the news prepared
>Now having a meme ready
Fake bake.
But it's OK, I doubt the Baker wants to bother going through hat last train wreck of a thread.

Leaks #2.

https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.
https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.
https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbean
https://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Morocco
https://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.

>>2104199
Here's the meme of the thread

DE GAULLE IS ALIVE
REPEAT
DE GAULLE IS ALIVE
REMAIN CALM
THE RECLAMATION CONTINUES
FRANCE IS NOT DEAD YET

Do we even want a news summary from last thread? OK, here's your summary: All African content is being deleted, America is nuking Haiti, and Discord jannies are awful people.

>>2104207
Forgot the huge reveal that Goebbels is still alive and kicking

>>2104209
Unironic question does he even do anything?

>>2104210
Probably die during the Kampzeit considering they said the 4 contenders will have to deal with him.

>>2104203
>An old Brazil meme
You know that last thread was such a fucking train wreck that I'm just glad it's over.

>>2104220
I also got this one but I figured it was even gayer

>>2104217
Either that or a minister role then.
Are TNO devs trying to kill these threads by having absolutely no one care about their mod any more?

>>2104217
he isn't a führer candidate? he was probably the closest to that position as he was a propagandist and public speaker

>>2104240
>he isn't a führer candidate?
No

>>2104210
He's going to fire the starting pistol on the kampfzeit by preemptively declaring himself fuhrer the moment Hitler dies in the name of saving the reich and Hitler's immortal vision from corrupt bureaucrats (Bormann and Goering), liberals (Speer) and deranged subversives (Himmler) by purging them.
Everyone will understandably dislike this unpopular creep attempting a coup to kill them all, so they will all unite to put him down like a dog, before fracturing into a power struggle over who actually gets to be the fuhrer once the seditious traitor Goebbels is dealt with. It'll all be very dramatic and expose the deep fissures between the clades as the world spectates these rapid reversals in the reich's leadership.

>>2104248
Based, he's going out but he's gonna do it like a champ

>>2104248
>Revive a highly requested character
>Let him be a glorified plot device that goes away after accomplishing nothing that couldn't be done without him in the story
It's like they're going out of their way to be disappointing.

>>2104257
>Let him be a glorified plot device that goes away after accomplishing nothing that couldn't be done without him in the story
First time?

>>2104260
That's different since they went through the trouble of completely reworking a country and tons of lore to do absolutely nothing with the fruits of that labor.

>>2104261
but enough about the OTL

>>2104248
Very nice allo-historical allusion. Goebbels became the Reich Chancellor for exactly 1 day between Hitler's suicide and his own.

A truly riveting dev diary where nothing happens. Remember to be the bigger chuds anons

nothing ever releases

>>2104248
It makes a lot of sense with nudevs logic that this is exactly what will happen.

Nudevs are being cooked in X too lol. They had also been widely criticized on reddit until the mods deleted and downvoted everyone complaining

going through le leaks on the subreddit
why is the mod full chud now with the ability to nuke niggers and eternal british colonisation of rhodesia and kenya
and like 5 remaining jews because the holocaust still happens
and wholesome 100 reformist nazi bormann

>>2104335
don't forget, no GCW either
no Moskowien CW
I don't get how Ukraine will even work now, it really doesn't fit with the new lore.
The army would just invade to help the RK

>>2104317
why do TNO chuds share the same opinion as NAFO?

TNO Requiem could not hav come at a better time
De-Gaulle my beloved, Tout Est Accompli

>>2104184 (OP)
>Reposting the DV dev diaries for anyone who needs a quick link:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m982jz/development_diary_xxxi_débrouillezvous_part_14/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m982oo/development_diary_xxxi_débrouillezvous_part_24/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m982us/development_diary_xxxi_débrouillezvous_part_34/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m982wu/development_diary_xxxi_débrouillezvous_part_44/

>"we are not going to cut Atlantropa/Burgundy/Goring's wild ride/the German Civil War/the NPP/the Africa RKs/the Congo lake or integrate DV into the main mod"

>"sike"
the modern tno experience

Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

FUCK TFR FAGGOTS

Reninder that Strategic Munchies is a pedophile

>>2104353
Why did this retard even deny it even when dozens of docs were leaked years ago+the devs were implicit about GCW removal already

(also, ignore this spam posts and just denounce it, its not even funny anymore bruh)

>>2104344
If they integrate the Free France submod they will make me download it fr

>>2104184 (OP)
It is January 1, 2020. (You) are now PinkPanzer.

How would (you) manage the development of TNO from here on out, knowing what you know now?

The NuTNO devs are souless ghouls.

>>2104368
delete the shadow dev chat.
that's the most important.
DO NOT LET THOSE MESSAGES LEAK AT ALL COSTS

>>2104368
consoom the estrogen pills

>>2104353
They would gladly remove Tabby if they could get away with it.

>>2104383
The only reason he wasnt removed yet is because Russia is stuck in dev hell for like 2 years (thanks Corn), meaning he wont be removed for now. But they have plans to rework komi, so you already know what to expect

>>2104383
>>2104387
What Corn himself confirmed was that Komi would be reworked, with Ordosocialists moved to Zlatoust and Tabby getting "common sense" changes including the removal of several "over the top" events and such. Considering how much they lie, notably with the "there has been no such announcement about this, its fan speculation" before they confirm it a year later I except eventually there may be deeper changes. Thankfully Corn can't code for shit

>>2104337
I'm convinced that the war in Ukraine would be cut if it hadn't gotten so far along when the nudevs fully hijacked the mod. You'd just have had that one GUI and that's it.

>>2104391
I'd forgotten about the Tabby soft rework. It's been at least a year since that leak.

>>2104184 (OP)
notice how it's only the mongolian basket weaving board people that angry like a monkey when hearing this DV news?

>>2104438
Last thread had plenty of screenshots of Redditors being angry and their comments being removed but thanks for trying to spin the idea that anyone is happy to hear that all they can look forward to is having fewer playable tags.

>>2104449
The only negative comments removed were the ones that were disrespectful. You can clearly still see plenty of negative comments that were voiced in a respectful manner.

>>2104457
It's quite difficult to see a deleted comment but I don't infer from the conversation that followed that you were just trying to remove harmful comments. The most over-moderated HOI4 Reddit yet again coming down hard against any criticism that isn't cushioned with apologies and reassurances that they still love the mod.

Fuck Tabby
Fuck TFR
Czar won, Corn won, Mango won.

>>2104457
I just checked part 1 of the dev diary
Case in point:
>>2104459
I'm not a dev

>>2104463
t. dev

>>2104464
This is getting so tiring.
This is why this thread has gone to shit
Constant paranoia
Imagine coming here from the discord fleeing what has become a circlejerk
To end up in another circlejerk but this time it's the opposite
No nuance, no neutrality
Just hate

>>2104465
Your biggest announcement all year is that you're deleting all playable content in Africa and that you're replacing it with OTL-like skeletons. Of course there's nothing but hate coming your way.

>>2104466
Again I'm not a dev
Why be angry at me

>>2104467
Okay lets assume you really arent a dev

Why are you constantly defending the Devs then?
If you are supposedly 'fleeing the discord'?

This board actually allows alot of opinions, aslong as they arent just shilling for the devs

>>2104471
I'm not defending the devs
I was just correcting what >>2104449
said about them deleting all negative comments
which is simply not true
so I stated the facts
is this defending?

Honestly if this was it's own separate project DV and all the devs realism wank would be interesting, perhaps even great. What grinds my gears is that this mod has been reworked to the point where it's no longer recognizable. Are there any attempts to resurrect TNO on an older build or something?

so apparently this is the devs justification on the sweden thing
also
>Germany obviously does prefer continued Anglo-French control, and they're more on the Anglo-French side in their dispute with Sweden, but they aren't gonna totally torpedo their own relations with Sweden over it
>they'll let Britain and France respond to them by attacking Swedish interests but they won't directly join in on attacking Swedish interests with them
>Britain and France (particularly Britain) have plenty of their own ways of fucking with Sweden for this, so Germany is prepared to just let them deal with it
our thoughts?

>>2104467
It's just more than a little questionable to defend the moderation team in the face of clear evidence that comments are being deleted.

>>2104476
I feel the same way about Antarctica. An interesting niche on its own, hate having it imposed on me especially if it comes with a broken map that I now have to put up with.

>>2104476
There are 2 efforts, one is Kiwifarms on a Pre-Atlantropa removal branch, and the other is TNO:Reqiuem aka 2WRW which uses pre-ODF branch.

>>2104478
So they're just openly arming Germany's enemies? And Germany, instead of pressuring the country not to arm people shooting at Pakt forces, just let's a Pakt country wage a dirty war with the country? They put sanctions on them to nudge an election in favor of the socdems, but not to get them to stop arming rebels fighting against them?

This just gets dumber and dumber.

TFR dev Munchies/TheLunchKing on reddit is spamming hurtcore csam on the tno discord.

>>2104481
I hope Continuation's End releases soon so we know what exactly this sweden content replaced

>>2104482
If true not suprised, TFRedditors are pedophiles.

>>2104481
Implying germany cares about sum frenchies in bumfuck nowhere.

>>2104485
Yes I'm sure they care about their allies being shot at enough to make a phone call.

Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

Czar won
Fuck TNO

goodwinson (dev of the kf tno) is a pedophile btw

>can't win the arguments
>goes back to spamming
This thread is going to be as awful as the last one, isn't it?

>>2104492
literally who is even arguing now

>>2104492
What are you talking about, I dont see any spam posts?

Anyway, I hope theres some good news tommorow from 2wrw

>>2104492
Yes because i fucking hate you retards and i want to crush every bit of soul and life you have left.

>>2104494
there will be none, 2wrw devs are slow fucks and incompetent skids. you will wait months for even a slight teaser.

Someone is spamming the tno discord with cp saying "/vst/ won", care to explain yourselves?

>>2104498
They released more playable content this year than TNO has since Guangdong.

>>2104501
copium

>>2104501
brazil has longer content than omsk

>>2104502
>Antarctium

>>2104503
>Minigames
>Brazil
>Non-canon nukes
>Non-canon wars

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

>>2104504
>Non-canon nukes
>Non-canon wars
just like 2wrw!
your entire submod is not canon
cope nigger cope nigger cope nigger cope

Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

>>2104507
You know damn well that I'm talking about TNO's wars being non-canon within itself and not integration. Or for that matter, Germany dropping non-canonical nukes over Ukraine to preserve its food supply.

>>2104510
silver is right
you cant just ignore that
hence content ends

>>2104506
Are you seriously trying to create drama over people just chatting in general?

>>2104511
Literally every other mod on the planet does it better. If KX can add the world adapting to wars, why can't you? Why are you the only people that do this?

>>2104514
the difference is that the focus of tno is on the narrative

https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m9nfki/how_do_you_feel_about_d%C3%A9brouillezvous/
Let's voice our opinions, see if we get banned.

Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

>>2104518
No, go fuck yourself

>>2104515
>My mod focuses on the narrative
>Therefore I don't have to conclude story arcs that now create nuclear crater-sized plot holes

>>2104522
You're a pedophile

>>2104522
if they did that brazil would have never released
because they'd have to account for 1. multiple leaders reaction to it. 2. the different ways the war develops. and 3. the different times the war can start

>>2104518
Already wrote mine
It's a negative one btw

>>2104524
Have you considered not making each of these a Denmark GUI so that they could be accounted for the same way that literally everyone except you do?

>>2104526
just go play twr at that point bruh
what sets tno apart is the intricate mechanics
you're asking them to become a mod they aren't and never were

>>2104526
Fake image

Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

>>2104518
Extremely positive.

Current Africa content is an absolute mess and at this point anything else would be an upgrade. I see a lot of people complaining about content removal but realistically it was content for four tags nobody was playing anyways.

Whilst I understand the feeling that DV is too similar to OTL, I actually think it’s less like OTL than what we currently have. Right now every African tag eventually gets led by some OTL leader eventually. DV explores an interesting idea; what if old school imperialism got a fascist makeover? And it does so well.

Every tag seems to play its own unique, interesting role in the geopolitical makeup of Africa, with Ghana, the Ivory Coast, Niger, Guinea, the DRC, the USLA, Tanganyika, the UPC, the CAF and South Africa all having differing geopolitical aims. Right now it’s just Ostafrika, South Africa, Senegal, Cameroon and the Ivory Coast.

Free France in current TNO is one of my least favourite things in the mod. I don’t like the idea of them actually controlling the Ivory Coast outright, and I really really hate reclamation. The Free French being a loose-knit group of ex-colonials providing mercenary/advisory/training support to OFN aligned states whilst still promoting the interests of white people in said states is far more compelling.

Overall it’s a bold, inspiring and very promising update to a region that desperately needs it and I’m glad it was integrated.

>>2104529
Really?

>>2104527
>you're asking them to become a mod they aren't and never were
Playable?
Able to provide the most basic gameplay satisfaction?
Able to not try and poorly reinvent the wheel and thus delay everything by years?
Be an actual game?

It's a false narrative anyway. TNO always struck a healthy balance between narrative and actual gameplay. That's why people are unhappy about you removing this and going all in on being a VN.

>>2104527
Nah what set TNO apart was the setting and having *some* intricate mechanics. The best nations in the entire mod beloved by just about everyone have a total of 3 mechanics during their entire 10 years, and none of them are *complicated*.

Dead mod

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

>>2104530
trvthnvke

>>2104538
based Kateryna

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

Man I wish... the devniggers would get back to work 3 bg acnd not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

Man I wish .. the devctt yr !! niggers would get back to work and not ,? do "gamcc)) bling" in public chats.
cc
Dont they have work to do?

this thread is unusable

>>2104547
Five is homosexual???
I thought he was /ourguy/???

>>2104548
I guess the new TNO janny tactic is to just shit up threads so hard that they cannot be used. We're just a few hours in and half the posts are the janny's copy-pastes from the last thread.

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-FiveHey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-FiveHey everyone,

>>2104550
>TNO janny
It's literally a 2wrw psyop

>>2104552
*TFR psyop
its been a tfr dev shitting up these threads

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?Hey everyone,

After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.

We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.

The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.

Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.

-Five

>>2104552
I'm on the 2WRW team and nah its not, we're all laughing shits about how dumb Kateryna is

shirakamikaiserMan I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

>>2104556
i think it was katernya but now i think its a tfr dev because katernya only talked about tno not anything tfr related

>>2104552
I'm on the 2WRW team and yes it is, we're all laughing shits about how dumb Five is

>>2104559
It might be multiple people at this point. The early spam here was by Kat but all the TFR spam is from some old grudge fron the Czar era.

>>2104559
Wouldnt make sense to be a tfr dev as the supposed tfr devs were also attacking 2WRW, a mod they are actively partnered with.

Anyway I dont see any trolling, yall schizo, lets just talk about the shitty TNO Leaks while we wait for Requiem to fuck TNOs tiny asshole and show them how its done.

Corn won

>>2104563
i agree with the other guy thats its multiple people. possibly both kat or a tno janny attacking 2wrw and a tfr dev attacking anything tno related, but it could also be one of czar's goons.

>>2104565
or it's just some random schizo unrelated to any mod team who's just shitting up the thread for the keks

>>2104565
Czar and Kat would be the only viable option of those.

Anyway I DONT SEE ANY POSTS LIKE THAT, so lets just talk about TNO and 2WRW again

>>2104563
What's there even to talk about? They're just removing content and replacing it with skeletons.
Agree though. Just ignore/hide/report the spam.

>>2104570
Fair point, there is fuckall to talk about atm but atleast tomorrow we might be able to speculate and actually have discussions about content that WILL release

>>2104580
To be fair some of the TNO content might release. DV coming out next year isn't unthinkable. But we already know that it'll be nothing but skeletons on release so even the people that want it are getting blueballed.

>>2104518
amazing how the reddit despite being heavily moderated has better and more nuanced discussion than this place

>>2104552
>>2104553
Why would they name themselves if they were shitting up the thread, retard-kuns?

Imagine needing to brigade a lowpop board on 4chan because it's the only place people can speak freely about what you're doing to a formerly beloved mod, because both the discord and the subreddit are locked down tight
Low energy! SAD!

>>2104603
>only place people can speak freely
lol
lmao

>>2104600
Not only that it's
>Their mod updates
>The lead suddenly and coincidentally starts dropping n-bombs and announces his own cancelation on 4chan
>For two weeks straight
It's just TNO devs looking for any excuse not to actually work on their mod. Just ignore it.

>>2104605
It's quite obviously robbie.
He's literally the resident schizo.

I checked the quote retweets to the VD integration announcement and the only positive ones I could find are like picrel.
Not even calling the content good or saying it's a good change.
It's just "People I don't like should die"
>"Chuds and retards in the qts crying and shitting themselves because they're going to have to learn proper african history and cold war dynamics instead of making the same boring memes about Huttig"

>>2104606
It's not Robbie's style and there are too many specific references to grudges. That's why I think it's a TNO dev and someone from Czar's clique with the way the latter attacked specific TFR mid-tier people.

You should treat either as Robbie anyway. It's garbage, just ignore it.

>>2104607
>"Chuds and retards in the qts crying and shitting themselves because they're going to have to learn proper african history and cold war dynamics instead of making the same boring memes about Huttig"
Based

>>2104607
nayrt but there were some positive comments too with the vague "the setting is better/more realistic". But that's just an inverse of the most common criticism, that a lot of it's OTL slop with a few names swapped around.

>>2104604
Good luck having a discussion on xitter or youtube comments

>>2104607
>going to have to learn proper african history and cold war dynamics
They're really not escaping the OTList allegations, are they?

>>2104608
Yeah, he hasn't even mentioned ESLs, posted chinlets or MS Paint caricatures of ethnicities he doesn't like. If Robbie somehow changed enough to be able to post in an unrecognisable way, good on hi,

>>2104615
Knowing Robbie the Retard he'd just double down on his old tricks again.

>>2104615
>good on hi
*good on him

>>2104614
Are you complaining that you need to graduate in African history to enjoy this mod? Kateryna, send all the Tno jannies to flood this guy with spam!

>>2104248
Wasn't goebbles the seconds popular nazi political outside of Goering OTL

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand DV. The narrative is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of post-colonial African history most of the flavor will go over a typical player's head. There's also the Congo's idealistic portrayal, which is deftly woven into its characterisation - its design philosophy draws heavily from OTL American Cold War plans, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these designs, to realize that they're not just cool- they say something deep about COLONIALISM. As a consequence people who dislike DV truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the irony in the update's titular catchphrase "Débrouillez-Vous!," which itself is a cryptic reference to a Congolese humorous French idiom that was popularized during the OTL Congo Crisis. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Calph's genius unfolds itself on their monitor screens. What fools... how I pity them. XD. And yes by the way, I DO work for TNO. And no, you cannot see leaks. It's for TFO fans eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

The tno announcement on X got absolutely cooked. Of all quotes, 80% is shitting in their heads, and the ones who like it are like the one in the image. They only like it to displease the chuds

>>2104625
How exactly would removing real wars with proxies that depend on your luck and have 3 different minigames each be "improving the mod"? Not to mention removing all nations with focus trees to add skeletons

>>2104629
Because that doesn't matter when the existing content is awful. Better to have skeletons with good lore than badly designed playable paths.

>>2104632
Why cant they focus on first giving all good nations focus tree with good content instead of adding unpopular reworks just to “improve” the lore(its just nothing ever happening). If they had spent the time they did in Anctartica working in actual countries, or didnt rework the mod every year, there would be content for all planned countries by this point lol

>>2104636
They're doing both
Did you miss the Vote Pig and Germany teasers?

>>2104637
Erm? This proves my point bro, they are just constantly reworking existing nations instead of adding content for Uk, France, all Balkans or other majors that you cant play rn

>>2104639
And? It's new content. There's no difference.
They also added completely new content for Brazil.

>>2104624
kek

>>2104640
>Completely new content for brazil
That update was delayed for almost 2 years, was cut in half since it was supossed to have all 4 presidents and was extremelly buggy on release, and even then it was still the best update we had on 2 years.

Also theres difference of adding new countries and constantlyreworking the same shit. Its even a meme how italy is never getting good content because they constantly shut down reworks when they are about to release, because they decided to change all lore because it was too unrealistic. Cant you see than, on the way the mod is going, it will eventually die cus even the base fans cant stand this anymore

>>2104632
>>2104640
Your new content is a bunch of skeletons and your "good lore" largely just reads like otl slop. It's garbage and has none of the charm and personality of the old content and I have no interest in playing your minigames. That's not what I come to HOI4 for.

>>2104645
Then play another mod rofl

>>2104647
(The reason TNO will die is exactly because people are going to play another mods instead of a ‘never updating and just removing content’ mod

>>2104614
>proper african history and cold war dynamics
Germany winning WW2 wouldn't change anything obviously. Africa has strong institutions.

>>2104649
Subscribers are increasing, not decreasing.
Cope more lmao.

>>2104654
people don't unsubscribe from mods

>>2104654
Yes, because subscribers don't mean the mod is alive, bro. The Great War mod is the fourth most subscribed and is literally dead, simply because people tend not to unsubscribe from mods. Besides, like it or not, people who recently bought Hoi4 will play it too, since the mod is still interesting. The difference is that old players tend to get sick of the mod because it never releases content + they lose more devs than they gain, which means the trend is less and less content = fewer players = faster decline.

>>2104660
Keep dreaming lil bro

>>2104661
0/10 ragebait kateryna, comes back next day

>>2104647
People are playing other mods. That's the problem, you absolute fucking bastard. We wish we could play TNO again but you do everything in your power to make sure that it'll be as much of an empty husk as you are.

>>2104670
Yeah lol, nudevs logic be like:
>”Go play another mod your bigot chud, this is a “narrative imersive mod”(nothing ever happens)”
“Ok then, im gonna play TFR or 2WRW”
>”What? How is our player base decreasing and everyone disliked our reworks? Of course its the other mods fault. Jannies! We are going to coup them, prepare the bots”

>>2104674
>What? How is our player base decreasing and everyone disliked our reworks?
Said no one ever

Let's be real, this mod was doomed to turn that way before it even released when they dropped the sun gun, moscow lake, Mars landing, RK Mittelmeer and Bormann doing alchemy instead of being the boringman we know today, this is just the natural evolution of this mod. All the tno reduxes have failed and TNO Requiem will be one more added to the list, they should have integrated to TNO when given the opportunity but now it is only a matter of time before their dev team become utter shit and all the 2wrw content gets deleted/outdated

>>2104530
that's literally a dev talking in the thread

>>2104674
The frustrating part is that it doesn't even have to be full-on KX. Just give me a mix of the content. But no, it's 100% all-in on Mexico. And when you ask them to just give you the option to have something different they just tell you to go to the ponies or vault dwellers instead.

>>2104675
He says while deleting posts saying these exact words.

>>2104677
>they should have integrated to TNO when given the opportunity
How the fuck would that even work when the mods want diametrically opposite things for their core content?

>>2104678
Proof?

>>2104684
Anon, your reading comprehension reps...

>>2104675
The guys in the SAW thread here had literally leaked the responses to the user review docs about the ODF, C&B, and Mexico updates, and most of them were just shitting on them.

TNO is like a very innovative company that monopolized. Then they started doing rebrandings that everyone initially supported, but then they never released new products, and everyone started getting tired of it. Then, new, smaller companies launched content, and TNO lost a lot of customers. Instead of fixing their workflow to launch content, TNO decided to raid these smaller companies and censor any dissent. Now, TNO is like a big, but old and repetitive company, which will inevitably collapse due to its lack of innovation and failure to please its core audience.

>>2104691
Cope

>>2104694
>Goes MUH SUBS MUH SUBS MUH SUBS
>Is shown an unfavorable statistical comparison
>"Who cares? Doesn't matter. You're coping."

>>2104679
Exactly. I just wanted it to be kind of like Silicon Dreams, content that doesn't have to be realistic, just fun, immersive, and high-quality. But instead of learning this, the Nudevs decided, "Muh, Silicon Dreams has minigames and everyone likes them, let's just full the next rework with useless and complicated minigames." So now, if you're not 100% Panzer Retard, or 100% Nudev Retard, you won't be able to enjoy the mod or their reduxes (like Kiwifarms, which doesn't even have TT integrated).

they lost the twitter libs

>>2104698
that retard was owned on its own metrics and is now coping lol. Nudev strongest bootlicker.

>>2104704
trololololol

>>2104703
Not even the liberals are with them anymore lol, now only the most retarded people on discord are left trying at any cost to defend the lead devs to keep their low-ranking positions as testers or moderators. At this point, it's becoming unsustainable.

>>2104686
tbf, that retarded just copied some comment in the reddit and pasted here. Hes probably just a troll however

I won't read the 2000+ word dev diary, does Germany at least still have friendly governments in Africa willing to host military/forward operating bases?

>>2104703
It's a bleak day when even the Twitter radlibs think you're full of it.

>>2104713
Most likely a troll. Many Reddit posts end up becoming copy-pastas because it's easy rage bait.

>>2104716
Yes the German and French colonies and some independent states that can arise.

>>2104718
>German
British*

>>2104716
They have some but it's more realpolitik and just the Germans supporting someone that'd have a different CW backer irl. There's also the British and French colonies, but apparently Germany doesn't care about them and are fine with third parties undermining them according to a dev so I don't know about that one. At least they're not completely left in the dark but it's a big downgrade.

>>2104713
>36 upboats
the silent majority...

>>2104343
Because og TNO is peak atlsnticist wet dream.

>>2104513
if you have time to chat you should be working you lazy fuck.

>>2104749
And this attitude, ladies and gentlemen, is why TNO burns through writers and artists like crazy. Not that I'm complaining, we're quite happy to accept all refugees from your awful work practices. :)

>>2104611
>nayrt
you don't need to do that
literally no one cares

>>2104750
zoomers need to learn a little work ethic. TNO needs a back to office order and a boomer manager to crack the whip

>>2104754
It's a hobby project that people do for free. God, no wonder why everyone that leaves your team has horror stories about crunch and being bullied.

>>2104763
>project
lol lmao even. that would imply work gets done
it's a groomcord and that's that

>>2104765
... Well, you got me there.

This is my breaking point. I tried to give the devs the benefit of the doubt but they did nothing but disappoint. The crow and the bull and so far from god were absolute nothingburgers, and now they're removing some of the most fun and iconic content in the game in favor of OTL skeleton content. Fuck this fucking shit. Fuck TNO. I'm so over this mod and its garbage retard devs that do everything in their power to make this mod actively worse.

Seeing the SAW and RKs get deleted feels very insulting to the people who made them. This new team has absolutely no respect whatsoever for those who came before them. I feel sad for those who did their best, crunching their asses off to make a good release. But now? What is this, even? This is no longer TNO. This is just a mod pretending to be TNO while worshipping the timeline of our world.

We found the troll boys, appparently its just a tno discord jannie

>>2104815
>jannie
that role is not a dev role, isn't it?

>>2104814
Imagine the dozens of people who worked on peneloppe web, only for it to be deleted when it was 80% close to being released about 2/3 years ago.

>>2104815
That guy is not a janny, just a regular user. He only has april fools roles.

>>2104818
oh true, then it's much worse, the guy just licks the devs' balls for the pleasure of it

>>2104817
Man, I feel bad for them too. I also feel bad about the content that is just lost. The older stuff is now lost media. There is really just no respect whatsoever for the volunteers who gave their all for this mod. They just delete and replace without even consulting those who came before them and without even acknowledging their efforts. They just do nothing but claim the fame that those who worked on this mod before them gained.

apologize

>>2104826
no

>>2104826
Sorry :(

>>2104824
True. At least some people saved the updates they were working on. I have the link to the 2023 Penelope Web build, although it's buggy and clearly unfinished. Since Nudevs took over TNO (around 2023), they've barely been able to release updates, and when they did, they were either cut, buggy, or boring.

https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs

>>2104184 (OP)
The mod will never release good content, modders enjoy modding far more then actually playing the game. Why bother playing when you can dream up all sorts of retarded mechanics that bend what hoi4 was intended to be. Modding allows your brain to run wild with ideas, but when you have to implement them, the game is simply not suited to such changes

>>2104839
it's funny that they larp at doing project management with "design docs" but what they are really writing is just fanfic
"Demo" releases is what killed the project. No demo nation has or ever will get an update markus my words

>>2104826
>TWR doubled down on no fun allowed
how about no

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2469546113
the only good axis victory mod
accept it.

>>2104866
Fuck off jap

>>2104866
Well, at least it isn't aggressively OTL.

>>2104866
I prefer 2WRW where TNO is still somewhat sensible

So just a day until Omsk gets the update right? I can't fucking wait.

>>2104950
afaik they get another general patch tomorrow. Full ending somewhat soon. Five initially said it'd start late autumn, but the Omsk lead set out to finish the tag instead before taking a break and it's being coded right now. Don't know when it's releasing but hopefully we'll at least have a better idea tomorrow and it seems to be sooner than "we'll start in Q4". Here's hoping at least.

>>2104961
lmao they can't even release a finished update
the tno killer everyone
they're just as bad as them

>>2104962
I don't see the problem. At least they're committing to adding an actual ending and doing it soon. Unlike the people that the TNO guy defended earlier: >>2104511
Plus on the way there you get to fight all the other world powers and race for Berlin which is something we know TNO will never let you do. So yes, I'll cut this team some slack when they're at least trying to do what the official team refuses to do by committing to having Russia just peace out near their contemporary borders.

For added context: Corn explaining why they'll never add a proper ending to the war between Russia and Germany in my lifetime.

>>2104962
t. not the guy who's been sperging out about 2wrw for days

>>2104971
They also expanded Ostland eastward to deny Russia more land lmao

>>2104815
That's my post! I'm famous!

>>2104971
>I don't see the problem
then you must be blind
they're scamming you dude

>>2104971
Corn is right. But you're so low IQ that you care more about dopamine than intelectual satisfaction.

>>2104973
Oh yes, because Russia would absolutely recognize that border, mhm.

>>2104976
But they already delivered more finality to the conflict than TNO has in five years with their endless reworks. I can core Finland, I can actually enter German territory, I can fight Japan in a hot war too. These are things TNO itself will never do. So I don't get the negativity towards the guys that are at least trying.

>>2104977
The funniest typo of "intellectual" from a pseudo-intellectual TNO apologist this year, people.

>>2104981
>I can core Finland, I can actually enter German territory, I can fight Japan in a hot war too.
Why would you want to do that though. It's not fun.

>>2104977
Corn's narrative falls apart the moment you build a 40w Improved MBT and APC division with air support, which any Russian unifier would be able to do. Probably explains why they added the ridiculous gee dee pee penalties for annexation, to try and prevent this. Which is stupid, because why would the concept of GDP even be relevant in somewhere like a collapsed USSR full of warlord statelets?

>>2104983
>Why would you want wars in a war game
>The core gameplay of HOI4 just isn't fun
This really says more about you and the mindset of your fellow devs than anything else, really.

>>2104981
>>2104986
>>2104987
Could you zoomie new fags not react to the most obvious bait in the thread, ty <3

>>2104989
>Stop replying to my posts
>I look really bad when you disprove me
OK then.

>>2104981
Every time one of my memes or maps get reposted a TNO dev dies

>>2104815
I know this guy from rps in discord, he's an insufferable s-o-yjak that doesn't know what humor is. No one likes him lol. No wonder hes gargling their cum now, only place that will take him

>>2104986

You need people, technical expertise, and resources to build your tanks, dumbass.

>>2104997
... He says while talking about a unified Russia lording over all the natural resources of Siberia.

>>2104997
Again, that's nothing to do with GDP, which is a retarded metric that includes do-nothing office jobs and hypothetical rents.

>>2105042
The actual differences ayrt is talking about are adequately represented by social development. How good is your industrial expertise? How advanced is your industrial base? How educated is your population? These are by far the more important metrics. The only really worthwhile metric added in TT is expanding on what a country's economic system is and how centralized its economy is. Which are predictably, underutilized and mostly outside of the player's control. Green line going up is a nice feeling and all but it's pretty bad as a sole indicator of industrial output.
tl;dr TT should've kept military and civilian factories and just had the rest influence how well that works.

>>2104994
Yep, bro is 100% on this thread

Also, why are you guys discussing about the second west russian war in TNO? That shit will never be implemented anyway. Corn cant even make an amur rework, Also, why are you guys arguing about the second Western Russia war in TNO? That shit will never be implemented anyway. Corn can't even rework Amur, let alone implementing a major war with multiple outcomes.

why tf that shit got duplicated bruh

>>2105065
why tf that shit got duplicated bruh

>>2104194
I really need to make that ut hoi4 mod

I love how the biggest leaks and teasers ever made for the mod's 5th anniversary were dated Bormann content, Goldwater for some reason dropping nuclear bombs on Haiti, a more or less facelift of Iberia, Heydrich content that won't even be released, and most importantly, a map of the Caribbean! (only skeletons approved)

>>2105070
and to conclude they made the announcement of the DV, which was widely criticized by the public (except for the guys on discord, that is, about 30 people).

>>2105070
Did you forget the nordic stuff, Manchuria and Kaukasien

>>2105075
>except for the guys on discord
meanwhile the reddit has dozens of comments praising it with tens if not hundreds of upvotes

>>2105065
Because the submod/fork/redux 2WRW *does* have the playable war.
So its implemented, just not in base TNO. Probably for the better desu

>>2105077
and colombia don't forget about colombia

>>2105078
>reddit
I dont like typing this but...go back

>>2105065
Ah yes, the lurker that goes to 4chan and scurries back to their Discord echo chamber to post material from this board as if he's dabbing on us. Hey since you're here, wanna repost the soft confirmation that Guangdong might get removed soon to your Discord? That's sure to go over well with your crowd.

And to be fair the people talking about Corn's 2WRW only used it as an example of something that wouldn't happen and the team's commitment not to have the war conclude.

>>2105070
Don't forget the coup de grâce: deleting all African content and replacing it with skeletons.

>>2105077
>>2105081
>Unplayable skeleton
>Dev hell for years
>Unplayable skeleton
>Unplayable skeleton
I'll give the Colombia team that their world building is interesting at least.

>>2105065
It's funny he has a Sordish flag for his pfp because Suzerain is way better than TNO will ever be

>>2105086
>soft confirmation that Guangdong might get removed soon
isn't that fake news? there was a debate but it was decided not to remove it iirc

>>2105078
It's funny that on Reddit, in the first hour, 80% of the comments were negative, until suddenly comments were deleted or downvoted, being replaced by the usual applause for the devs (Kateryna isn't manipulating, I promise). However, on X, which can't be moderated, their post, which has almost 600,000 views, was completely destroyed, with almost all the quotes/replies criticizing it. Like, it was a massacre, only about 5 people defended it, and defended it just to ragebait the chuds. So no, DV wasnt approved by the majority lol

If you use reddit of all places to prove something is popular, then you debunk yourself. Reddit famously is filled with bootlickers or people with overall low standards

>>2105089
False. You can find plenty of negative comments in the reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m9nfki/how_do_you_feel_about_d%C3%A9brouillezvous/

>>2105088
It's a soft confirmation that it might be deleted, not a definitive one like the DV leaks. But can you blame an anon for being pessimistic when this is the exact same language we got for other tags that have since gotten reworked or deleted?

>>2105095
how is it a confirmation if they explicitely decided not to do it?

>>2105093
Disingenuous as hell. aryrt never said it was all removed, just that it was overwhelmingly negative before the jannies swept in and we even got screenshots of deleted posts.

>>2105093
Yes, I said you could, but suddenly they were downvoted massively. The truth is, about 70-80 people are the hardcore discord/reddit users, and they're the ones who automatically downvote anyone who criticizes the devs on reddit or upvote those who defend them. It's kind of what happens in all subreddits, just changing the scope. For the discord, any opposition was already purged so they dont even need to denounce it

>>2105097
Because when someone in the inner clique starts to talk about wanting something gone like that in the past we've eventually had deletions happen later. It's just a pattern I've noticed with these people. If they're talking like that where people can see it, you can bet your ass they want to give it the Burgundy treatment behind the scenes.

This weird ass mod defender is either someone in denial or a troll. If hes in denial then thats quite sad

>>2105103
>>2105097

Exactly. It usually starts with a debate or suggestions, but they promise not to remove it. Slowly, they begin to sway loyal Discord and Reddit users to advocate for the content's removal. Then, when the removal becomes somewhat morally acceptable, they announce they'll integrate some submod that replaces the established content with a skeleton/partial content worse than the existing one.

This is literally what happened with Great Britain, Burgundy, Goering, and now Africa (not to mention others).

I'm 100% sure that if they could, they would remove Guangdong. They just don't because they have no content to replace it, since apparently the Asian devs (Japan, China) haven't done anything in literally years, so we're good for now.

Wait so manchuko is the only real future content for east asia at this point?
grim

>>2105107
Don't forget Atlantropa. That was the first casualty.

More proof from discord that the Asian devs don't like the Guangdong content and would probably remove it if it didn't cause a civil war in the mod.

>>2105109
There's also Japan but that one has been in rework hell for longer than I was in college.

>>2105112
>Unfortunately we can't
What's wrong with these people? They're just outright mournful that they can't delete beloved content. The hell?

>japan is still in rework hell
its joever

>>2105112
BRUH
>>2105115
>Japan but that one has been in rework hell for longer than I was in college
Theres no hope.

>>2105115
Jane is very against orientalism and Guangdong is a prime example of that.

>>2105110
Atlantroppa was like a realistic entry-barrier. A removal that was mostly approved, since it was kind of silly and was supposedly hindering the development of Mediterranean nations. The problem was that after this breach was made, they kept removing more and more content, and the funniest thing is that the Mediterranean still has no content, three years after Atlantroppa's removal. Now, we have reached levels of insanity so great that even Guangdong may end up on the removal list.

>>2105122
Orientalism at this point is just a weasel word they use to justify deleting content they personally dislike.

>>2105115
There's also supposedly China, since there are devs "supposedly" working on it, but that shit hasn't changed at all since launch and I doubt any update will arrive. The setting sun that was supposed to rework Asia was announced like 3/4 years ago with teasers and everything and since then we haven't heard anything.

realism is at this point just a weasel word they use to justifying deleting content they dislike

you could easily make your own version of tno and make new content

there is the kiwifarms version

>>2105131
I mean thats why 2WRW broke away from TNO and even the nuts of kiwifarms made their version of the mod

>>2105134
can always rely on russians and chinese to actually make content for their nations in mods but it's dead anywhere else

the chinese have made impressive mods for china already. Yet the tno devs cant make content for china. Curious

wasnt there rumours about taboritsky being removed too?

>>2105144
yes and if they do that then tno is trully dead

>>2105122
Orientalism is when asian content exists and it's not written by an asian.

>>2105143
to be honest it's a vast undertaking since they're adding content to a lot of tags

>>2105145
This would cause a huge civil war within TNO, bro. I just want to see when the average joes, who are 90% of TNO users, find out that Burgundy will be removed (most of them don't even know yet and will only discover when v&j is released in 2045)

>>2105148
as said, china is supossed to be reworked, but its on dev hell for years

>>2105149
by who?
the playerbase is fully docile niggercattle

>>2105149
most of the playerbase already wants burgundy gone

>>2105153
This will probably lead to a bost in 2wrw, since they seem to be the only redux that has any chance of being successful (sorry kiwifarms, but one guy alone is not going to unseat TNO)

>>2105148
They need to hire devs who make mods like this. Expand the china team. Or at least get devs who are competent.
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3256452254
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2781363716&searchtext=tno+the+east+is+red
its a vast undertaking but there should have been at least some further progress.

>>2105156
It depends. The average Discord and Reddit user, who number a maximum of a thousand people, wants it. Most don't even access TNO's social media and only play occasionally. Just look at the difference in DV's reception on Reddit and Discord compared to X. For example, there are posts with thousand likes talking about TNO being dead on X, with the post about DV being the most viewed on their account (not in a good way).

>>2105159
we need to make something like that for western countries

>>2105159
Real. Long and Arduous Road implements the Second Sino-Japanese War and is quite fun. They should just rework the initial content because it's kinda boring, as it's the same content of base TNO, except for the military tree.

>>2105159
there's already east is red devs on the china team

>>2105160
btw, they got ratioed by some dezens of people. This is maybe the beginning of the collapse of the tno janies (who would have thought that for years refusing to listen to their fan base and banning any negative comments would eventually lead to a collapse of public opinion when their ideas are proven to be boring and retarded, as fans have said for years)

>>2105166
then what is taking them so long?
>>2105162
>They should just rework the initial content because it's kinda boring,
hopefully they will eventually do that
>>2105161
you already have western long and arduous road at home:
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2980739000

>>2105170
>western long and arduous road at home:
not even on the same level mechanically

>>2105144
So far all that's been said and verified is that he's getting some rewrites to make him less edgy.

>>2105157
>but one guy alone is not going to unseat TNO
I wouldn't be shocked if Goodwinson ends up being the last man standing since he's just an autist patching up old TNO for fun.

>>2105086
>back when the china team was basically all white people
Pretty much the entire asian dev team has become american weeaboos from how they're white washing japan

>>2105176
>he's getting some rewrites to make him less edgy.
They're going to do the burgundy treatment, aren't they? First they'll remove the fun and leave him just like some casual fascist, after 1/2 years, they'll just remove him because "he doesn't fit the narratives we're taking with the mod!", aka pinkpanzer content that we don't like and are going to throw away. its so over chuds, we need to rally behind TNO requiem cus we have no other option

>>2105176
too bad he uses that ancient version of tno, TT economy and politics are actually decent

>>2105185
You also have Rides Again by KF. Heck, if it ever gets off the ground then that Minutes to Midnight mod that split off from TNO the other month is also not going to cut Tabby. Last one seems like the iffiest one but at least you're going to have choices.

If you give them a inch they will take a mile. The they being tno devs

theyll steal your submod and "integrate" it to hide that they dont do anything

Okay so just to recap all the currenlty existing (and planned) versions of TNO:

TNO:The Last Days of Europe, shitty base version of TNO

TNO:Rides Again, decent, however its using old ass content so its missing ALOT of stuff, plus Guangdong and TT are gone

TNO:Reqiuem/2WRW, the version of TNO thats probably going to be the biggest in future if they dont fuck up the initial stage. Apparently the team size is subpar so... yet to be seen.

TNO:Minutes to Midnight which is the nuDev clique from 2WRW that almost caused Omsk to never get released and wanted to introduce the ODF map.

>>2105198
This is accurate but TNO is declining so rapidly that even Minutes to Midnight is starting to look appealing. I know everyone hated on their Africa skeleton without the old RKs or the Congo Lake, but when you compare it to TNO's OTL slop it looks less like nu-devery and more like a compromise between old and new TNO. In fact, that might be a good summary for MtM in general.

Just so you understand: TNO has declined so hard in just a month that something that was a ridiculed when it first leaked suddenly looks good by comparison.

they will remove all the good content from the mod and keep doing it until theres nothing left

>>2105159
Going by ratings a reactions, LAAR is surprisingly more popular/known about and more played than 2WRW. A Chinese translation for it would go a long way in making it more recognizable it seems.

>>2105206
you can make one anon. theres gemini avaliable. Thats how the english patch was made for the east is red

>>2105207
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3472822336&searchtext=tno+east+is+red

>>2105206
All of them are at roughly 60K with 2WRW having slightly more subs. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese win out if you add some non-English communities that I can't get numbers from just from how large and active the Chinese userbase is.

so what was the rationale behind putting a random ass "german reich" in this cold war mod?
are the devs nazis or something

>>2105214
They'd have to be. Otherwise just replaying the Cold War with Nazi Germany around while everything else is as normal makes no sense. Truly, TNO is the real /pol/ chud mod.

>>2105214
>>2105216
The level of whitewashing they give the Axis powers and blackwashing to America is actually insane. Even /pol/ wouldn't be this silly.

America = spawn of satan
nazi germany = nuanced
you chuds are just illiterate

>>2105107
take your meds

>>2105230
So are you saying that Burgundy, the African RKs and all that other stuff on the chopping block aren't being deleted then?

Just take the example of the African RKs. Last year we were told that it'd never happen because it'd break all British lore. Fast forward and the language got warmer. We went from a firm no to a more vague non-denial. In the final month people were talking up DV's OTLism while denouncing the original lore more frequently. And now we're here, all African content is being deleted and replaced with skeletons. That's how they do it. Every. Single. Time.

>>2105244
why do you think there's an orchestrated machiavellian scheme to psyop people into accepting these when the team is like 200 retarded troons who take four years to make half of Brazil and have a venting channel to cry about being kicked off their polycule or whatever

>>2105230
You are on the its not happening phase

>>2105256
you are so right. brb gonna use my school's litter box and then go eat pets with my Haitian bros

>>2105255
I mean, it's not that elaborate. They just tell their low-class discord friends (jannies) to start praising the content they want to include. Just notice how everyone on the discord was making fun of DV until about two months ago, they suddenly started praising and defending it. Not to mention that they're on discord 24/7, so it's not difficult for them to be doing the cover-up multiple times a day.

>>2105260
Bro just started cope and talking about things not related for no apparent reason

>>2105264
post link

>>2105262
the meme i responded to literally contains "it's right wing propaganda". learn to read you giga fucking retard

>>2105263

>>2105266
https://x.com/TFRWiki/status/1949149463848636633

pls calm down

>>2105268
>its real
based

>>2105264
Crazy how TNO is just giving TFR all its player base as a gift

>>2105267
Just replace rw propaganda with 4chan propaganda, since we are talking about TNO

>Dumping Xitter reactions to the DV announcement
Dumping Xitter reactions to the DV announcement
> Dumping Xitter reactions to the DV announcement

Quote retweets:

Post replies:

>>2105279
Note that a lot of these ratioed the original posts and now the discord and reddit are on damage controll calling they nazis

Chud reactions:

And now, the positive reactions. Let’s start with the quote retweets.

And the post replies. Yeah, that’s it.

didnt evens even notice they removed the chud lake
joke mod

>>2105262
meant to just reply to >>2105263, apologies

>>2105255
>Machiavellian coup
It's not a complex scheme to simply slow walk a reveal. Boiling the frogs is a well-known saying for a reason. Plus we know that they account for these things and how unpopular a lot of their plans are. Just look at the Vote Pig plan for it. The problem being that, of course, all these things leak early and end up being very negatively received anyway.

>>2105279
How could this be? The jannies assured me this would never happen!

>>2104526
real image

>>2104817
unironically, is peneloppe's web just cancelled? It's actually been years since we've heard anything. But don't worry, they are adjusting some bullshit in latin america I'm sure.

>>2105324
>Italy rework
Has been rebooted again, last we heard was that Red Italy was soft-scrapped and that Italo-German relations were being reworked.
>Turkey
Development imploded.
>Greece
Dead.
>France
Assuming it's not dead it'll need another rework to account for DV.
>Balkans/ME
lmao.

Yeah it's canceled. Sorry, no refunds kiddo.

Imagine over three years ago when the first reworks aappeared and you said:
NO THEY ARE KILLING THE MOD. STOP THIS WILL LEAD TO UNFORSEEN CONSEQUENCES.
everyone would have called you a fucking retard schizo.
well look at this now

>>2105330
is there even a point to keep this mod active if its stuck in dev hell

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4modding/comments/1ma5sba/do_these_people_have_a_point_about_africa_in_tnos/
>non tno subreddit
>most people are shitting on it

>>2105344
tno reddit people are so deep inside their echochamber they're genuinely surprised anyone dislikes the endless reworks.

>>2105344
>Nearly all comments are negative
>The only handful of positives are from rude people that attack everyone else and get downvoted
TNO jannies and their lies are once again disproven. Especially funny when Kateryna was going MUH SUBS MUH UPVOTES over and over and over earlier in the day but I guess soon we'll hear that none of it matters and that good art is never appreciated by the masses or some shit, lmao.

>>2105368
>cope reply
lmao

>>2105344
Who could guess that in the subreddit that mods cant ban people criticizing them or send the jannies to downvote will express their true opinions on how TNO is becoming shit

>>2105367
Ok TNO jannie, you already got exposed, no need to try to troll here

>>2105371
>cp
https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/
dont make me do it

>>2105375
Please let him post it so we can denounce him to fbi

>>2105376
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
I have my phone ready

>>2105375
im using a residental israeli proxy, you won't do shit.

Man even in the TNO reddit the new DV "leaks" are getting absolutely shit on by most the people there

>>2105330
analyzing this 2021 roadmap

Europas Narben:
>Poland
The developers who worked on it lied about it being close to finished (they didn't even code that shit) and it has since died
>Moscowien
Reworked 11 times. Devs just gave up on it
>Ukraine
Got short content instead of medium but ok

Shifting Tides:
>Mexico
Got 3 years of boring content
>Canada
LMAO
>Guangdong
Only one who actually got the content
>Manchukuo
In work for like 4 years. No diary or date of release yet

PW:
Complete joke, none of these will receive content (the funny thing is that in 2023 they had content for all of these half implemented but they just deleted everything)

Illusion's End
>South America
Got half of Brazil content and thats it
>Iberia
After 5 years they are finally about to finnish a minor facelift of it

>>2105381
lmao, everyone knew tfr was full of pedo devs

>>2105381
bruh

>>2105330
V&J:

>GCW, Goering, Speidel and Schorner
GCW is getting removed so this is outdated. Goering hasn't even been fully developed like what hes going to do yet, and the other two have been cut.
>Heydrich, Burgundy and Kaukasien
Maybe getting heydrich(not in v&j though), burgundy is getting cut and kaukasien wont release shit

TSS:
>Japan and ROC
stuck in dev hell since its announcement
>Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand
Not even started yet lol, wont get any content and indonesia short focus tree was removed years ago

Black gold, red sand:
Another absolute joke, none of this is even being developed

Welp, thats it, of like 40 planned content, we got guangdong, half mexico, brazil and ukraine and thats it for 4 years of development. Can we all thank the devs?

>>2105381
You posted this yourself

>>2105381
TFR FAGGOTS WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

>>2105381
never understood this shit. Is czar the good guy?

>>2105381
wonder who will be tfr's slackjawed now

>>2105390
the only people who hate Czar is the current tfr dev clique who wanted to make tfr more realistic all around while Czar wanted it to be more schizo for the schizo countries and more realism for the realistic countries. Then he tried removing them because they also tried doxing him, and then they sperged out and doxed him, then someone larped as a neo-nazi satanist to falseflag Czar, and for some reason people think it was actually Czar but by this time he was out of the discord.

>>2105381
this is sad. first tno, now tfr? i don't think there will ever be a single fun popular hoi4 mod that doesnt end up getting filled with pedophiles or political spergs

>>2105381
FYI, the “screenshot” was from the guy spamming the last thread.

>>2105394
wait so the screenshot is fake?

>>2105395
>writer
80% of the writers of the mods controlled by the realist clique are just people who do nothing except grooming people on discord and gooning all day to hentai

>>2105381
>'Screenshot' was posted last thread
>That account name
>Account was created yesterday
TNOdevniggers are beyond embarrassing.

>>2105398
Most likely. No follow-up screenshots or anything like that.

>>2105392
>>2105390
This is completely fake. Just scroll through https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/1999687/#1999740 , it won’t take you more than 20 minutes.

>be TNO devs
>keep constantly reworking your mod against the wishes of the fan base
>Hear that the devs of your most popular submod are going to release a redux against you.
>Then decide to release teasers to revive the mod and take the steam out of it.
>Reveal that your biggest announcement is to remove all African content to add skeleton and minigames.
>Suddenly, the entire community revolts on Reddit and X.
>Redux announces its release two days later, taking all the hype of the anti-TNO revolt for itself.
>ends up giving the biggest boost ever seen to a redux without wanting to

Are they retarded?

>>2105407
>>2105401
>>2105402
TNO DEVS ARE DESPERATE

>>2105410
Literally lol. Just look at the discord how they are desperately calling the X people who ratioed them Nazis and even insulting the socialists for criticizing them (they managed to unite chuds, NAFO and socialists against them)

>>2105414
>tno devs are having a meltie in discord
lmfao

>>2105381
Kee wee farms doesn’t make posts in Community Watch (the Subforum the TNO thread is in) have to be manually approved by jannies. Sloppy job, czar!

Meanwhile, the actual 13,362rd post:

>>2105415
>are tno devs seriously threatening to post CP now?
They're pulling out all their cards to try to save the mod. Literally filing false accusations against TFR, threatening CP, calling anyone who didn't like the update Nazis, spamming the thread with 2wrw-related stuff. Don't be surprised if they immediately try to cancel the redux devs by making up allegations of grooming or something like that. if they cant do false accusations they will jsut call it fascist and ban all mentions of it on the reddit/discord.

>>2105377
Call the feds bro

Tno jannies reached a new limit, they now posted cp loli on the thread just to difame TFR

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
the link is here

Saw a lot of posts talking about TFR and TNO's growth so decided to make a graph. All numbers from the internet archive.

This is sad.

>>2105431
Numbers in case you care

This is one way to get the jannys attention

>>2105437
How do we know that these are specifically about the HOI4 mods, and not just a global search for the acronyms, regardless of context?

>>2105441
it has been 20 minutes

>>2105442
Its sub count, no clue how I forgot to mention it

gonna be real for a second there are alot of people in the TNO commnity that really care about being able to larp as nazi or similar killpeopleism and they freak out when that part of the mod is changed in any way. they seem to think that this mod is a 40k prequel instead of a cold war simulator.

this matters because the kind of person that *really* cares about being able to play as an RK with 6 years of terrible content is very often the kind of perosn who will go onto reddit and call the devs dumb or the kind of people in the twitter comment section throwing around slurs. kinda tired of beating around the bush with these people when all of the hate just so happens to bubble up when facsist content is changed or delayed. you dont see this same fervor when we still dont have the sweden or australia content for example.

kaiserreich doesnt have this problem because it very consciously doesnt have any fascist roleplay options. people whine and complain about pelley still for the same reason but its a lower hum because he is the only option

nigger

Why is he trying to start TFR drama in the TNO thread with the world's shittiest edits and samefagging? What even is this?

>>2105453
He suffers from profound mental retardation, plz understand.

imagine trying to explain to panzer back in 2020 that modern tno in 2025 would be of constant rework dev hell with no progress and instead of working on the mod the devs would start infiltrating other mods to ruin it from the inside and spamming lolicon pedophile images on a 4chan tno discussion thread on a new board

>>2105455
He's been doing it for a week. Why isn't he banned yet?

>The mentally ill Czar shill that TFR banned is so retarded that he saved thumbnails and posts his TFR asspain in the TNO thread for over a week
This is a new fucking low.

>>2105468
>mentally ill Czar shill that TFR banned
Who?

>>2105480
why are some of your posts randomly 2kb while others are full size

THE JANNY HAS SAVED US

>>2105474
The guy spamming this thread now. It's a Mexican huyguy that used to be in Czar's clique named Cobble or something like that. I don't know why he's doing this. I think he might just be mentally ill.

This is different from the TNO janny that spammed the thread earlier, especially last thread.

>>2105491
WAIT NVM, JANNY HES STILL HERE. DEL ALL OF THE IMAGES AND BAN HIS ASS PLS

>>2105492
At least this guy will bring the jannys attention to kat spamming as well

>>2105492
Cobblestone? I heard that name before during the TFR drama of late March-early April. He was on the MENA team that did fuck-all.

>>2105494
Yeah turns out that spamming loli gets them running while Kateryna's namefagging and low quality spam got stuck in a "to do" pile for ages.

>>2105496
That's the guy. He has a grudge against Otto von Biscuit for some reason so the fact that he's trying to drag him into it makes it likely to be the MENA team retards doing this.

>>2105501
>>2105502
did this retard buy a 4chan pass when hes getting banned?

>>2105505
Curious as to why you're spamming now because I don't remember you doing it during the czar coup

>>2105506
Don’t feed. Just report.

>>2105415
>>2105418
See: >>2105499
It's not a TNO thing. It's someone from TFR's MENA team. Him and Kateryna only got mixed up because for whatever reason he started spamming around the same time that the TNO jannies brigaded this thread.

and its gone
>>2105452
this guy really posted this randomly during all that lol

>>2105508 (me)
I should add: the team was disbanded and everyone's banned since months back.
No I don't know why he started doing this months later.

>>2105511
meds, Czarist devs are still here. We're just waiting for the time to strike

>>2105512
Oh really? I’ll let Munchies know.

>>2105514
Munchies is a weak retarded faggot and wouldn't even end up doing anything good. if he did act he'd probably accidentally purge 4 non-affiliated devs

Thanks for sweeping it up, jannies.

>>2105492
>Cobblestone
Oh that faggot

>>2105521
How was this phonebook sourced?

How long before Iberia is cut?
Keep in mind they had two pillars for existing:
-German meddling through Atlantropa ruining their climate and economy. A big part of the "good" ending for Iberia was actually finishing the botched Atlantropa and at least having it as an energy source
-Germany annexing Portuguese colonies, removing Salazar's biggest bargaining chip for independence from Madrid.
Both are gone now. Iberia has literally zero reason for existing, and the trannydevs would probably love to turn Poortugal into a skelly country for America to play with.

>>2105526
Not doubting that they will cut it but how was the lost colonies a bargaining chip? It's not like portugal would have been able to retake them from germany

>>2105526
I didn't think about it but doesn't DV completely fuck up their planned facelift? Or maybe they'll just let it be in a kind of lore limbo. Also to be honest I think the nudevs just don't know/care about the old lore, at least not enough to fix it.

>>2105526
I give it less than 5 years
In 10 years (last update 2026) they will be talking about removing the axis victory because it's not realistic

>>2105536
"For nearly a decade, we've reworked the mod to make the Axis victory scenario more realistic, culminating in turning Germany into a neoliberal democracy, the most effective system in the world. However, we now realize that we went about it the wrong way. Instead of trying to modifying the entire world to fit our goal of realism we must instead create a realistic scenario from scratch. Announcing "The Blue Order", examining the exciting timeline where Germany lost to America and the USSR. Here's our toozer for the new West German skeleton. Thank you for your support and please don't forget to sign up at the nearest recruitment center to oppose Russo-Chinese intolerance!"

>nooo you can't like the old content! it was broken! and buggy! and poorly written! and too short! nooo it's trash we cant use it
I know, I played it. So fix it, then, you retard. Half of the pre-TT mod is written and coded like it was rushed out in a drunken bender on the night of the deadline, but the ideas used are much, much more interesting and engaging, so just take like one fucking month to go over it (you really wouldn't need more, even if you're only three or so people for the whole mod. one autist could do it no problem. the mistakes and fixes in both writing and modding are incredibly obvious) and then actually build on what you've got instead of spending 5 years finding the best way to get rid of it. What even is this absurd point that gets brought up every single damn time? Absolute niggers

2wrw's name change is offical
it is now tno requiem as said in an announcement

>>2105561
Always the same excuses.

>>2105578
booooooring

>>2105578
>OWB in TNO
>Lazarenko making Yazov look like a liberal all the way to Germania
OK I'm game.

>>2105579
>Massive wars are boring
Why do you even play HOI4 at that point? That's the point of every version of HOI, from the first game and all vanilla renditions down to every single mod.

What is the point of this redux when they are doing less than one guy on KF has

>>2105580
>No more Denmark GUIs
It was really that easy all along, wasn't it?

>>2105586
Rises Again has none of the content made after Tabby's expansion, meaning no Guangdong and many other genuinely good things that happened after TNO released. Rises Again also doesn't have as much Russian content either.

Both are good, we should be happy that we have two new alternatives to nu-TNO. We might even get three if Minutes to Midnight gets off the ground.

>>2105590
Not that anon, but I want to add that (at least in theory) ex 2WRW will have far more manpower than the single guy on KF so they should be able in the long run to do more, autism gets you far but one guy is always just one guy compared to a group of more than 2 people. This assumes that the team won't implode in the near future however

Whoopsie I thought that other one was 3/15.
Well I guess it was more of an intermission announcement?

>>2105594
The way I see it having two healthy Reduxes is only good especially when they cater to different niches. Now everyone can be happy. Personally rooting for Rides Again because it's such an underdog story, one autist fixing the entire mod for fans of the old version.

>>2105595
who tf cares, this is the tno thread not /thrash/

>>2105597
>Why cares about South Africa fighting the RKs?
Spotted the DV dev.

Why would anyone do this, tno's economy is one of its worst parts

>>2105603
GDPmaxxing is fun though.

>>2105603
A better question would be why TNO never did this. Just a tag that gives you a good, natural introduction to all the systems they introduced. Instead we get tags that bolt additional systems on top of what they made like Mexico.

>>2105607
>Just a tag that gives you a good, natural introduction to all the systems they introduced.
Ireland
Iberia sort of

>>2105607
If they did that you niggers would have complained that it's not real content and just muh useless economy shit with no replayability. But I guess it's a moot point since you will defend anything any "redux" peddles to you.

>>2105603
>economy
>worst parts
cringelord detected

>>2105608
Finland

>>2105609
No we complain when an update is nothing but Mexico with Denmark GUIs. If TT or another update had released with an econ focused Ireland on the side that'd be fine. And honestly I don't think Mexico would be anywhere near as hated as it is if it released alongside some real content too instead of making us wait for over a year for an actual update with even an iota of gameplay.

>>2105586
Why cant they just ask the kiwi guy to work with them hes basically a whole team on his own

>>2105603
if you dont like numbers and lines going up theres something wrong with you

>>2105618
I imagine the guy doesn't agree on keeping Atlantropa scrapped and on adding the economy system

>>2105618
>>2105622
That's it really. He's not a fan of TT at all and picked his forking point for a reason.

Waiter Waiter, more Requiem announcements please

>>2105627
>Finland and Sweden being able to act like Germany's attack dogs
>More wars
>Russia can fight them post-unification
Kino, Corn's border gore is gone.

>>2105631
This is technically old news but its good to get confirmation its still being worked on

Apparently nu-TNO devs are going to rework (shocking) the Russian Reunification wars by removing the wars (even more shocking)

"Russian reunification by wars is unrealistic as the entirety of the region is still de jure under the Soviet Union. The various warlords on the map are just gameplay representation of separatists and rebellions. Russian reunification as a concept is unnecessary as the Soviet Union is already presented as a single entity on the world map. The new Soviet Times of Troubles mechanic will give each rebel and separatist factions decisions to spread their influence to usurp the Soviet government. Conflicts are still present for more chauvinistic groups such as the AB, but instead of declaring wars this will be done by spending infantry equipment and other military equipments (tanks and support) in a Vic3 style minimap to take over neighbouring provinces and states."

>>2105634
You might as well delete your army at the start of the game if this how it's going.

>>2105634
Where did you get this from

I need sources stat

>>2105634
>instead of declaring wars this will be done by spending infantry equipment and other military equipments (tanks and support) in a Vic3 style minimap to take over neighbouring provinces and states
>they are removing the smuta
Terminal stage of the slow march to irrelevancy for TNO if they follow through with it

>>2105633
From what I can tell the lead dropped it all to get Omsk out of the door and the team will pick up where it was left off after South Africa. Really I'm just happy that Corn's borders won't be a thing in the north and that beating Finland won't be exclusive to Omsk. Wonder what other tags will be able to core Finland. The Tsarists should be able to at least.

>>2105634
Going to press X to doubt unless you have a source. It sounds like something they'd want to do just like cutting Guangdong and Tabby but I don't think they'd do it. But I also doubted DV would get integrated for the same reason.

>>2105634
Holy fuck theyre TCT-fying the Russian reunification!

Alright fellas give it to me straight.
Now that we both have seen the backlash from TNO on Xitter's quote tweets/comment sections and also some negative posts on their subreddit, plus now that 2WRW has reemerge to TNO Requiem.

My Question is; What are the top councils of TNO are thinking? After the backlash, the fear of two TNO reduxes and the coming popularity of TFR and other hoi4 mods. Surely, they would be worry that their legitimacy, prestige and fame are waning and they must have some sort of meeting to discuss what to do right? What will be their next plans of operation? Continues the same thing as usual? Rollback the controversial DV integration?

>>2105634

Stop trying to deflect from your dogshit DV disaster mango and corn. You have posted the same exact thing >>2105626 here
Drop the proofs or fuck off

Free France boys we doubly back, its not just a partnership they are working on it together

>>2105650
>What are the top councils of TNO are thinking?
That they're happy with the universally positive feedback they got and will continue down the road. It doesn't matter that it was actually overwhelmingly negative. They'll still think this.

>>2105653
>Free France is saved
Total DV death!

>>2105653
ABSOLUTELY BASED

>>2105652
why would you think corn did this anyway?

>>2105657
Judging by the fact this was posted when 2wrw started posting their things, and that the retarded tripfag was doing similar things a few days ago, I can only imagine it's meant to bury anything related to it and also make people move on from the africa changes.
Cuz they probs think that everyone gets their info on tno from 4chan so if they poison the well it's gonna spread through the wider community.

>>2105634
Might as well delete the mod

>>2105662
Whoever posted it it's almost certainly a troll. Extraordinary claims like that requires proof.

>>2105610
>>2105621
I like the idea of actually building up my nation and I think the different kind of effects that a proper economics system can allow for are interesting, it's just incredibly shittily and annoyingly done here to where I prefer to ignore it. If a path released with a focus on eco mechanics but interesting fluff I'd probably cheat all the way to see the events and such

>>2105634
assuming this is a real leak, what will happen if goes through?

>>2105634
Yeah I'm gonna as for a source on that.

>>2105671
>If it goes through
Sure buddy, released in 2044.

>>2105603
>tno's economy is one of its worst parts
zoomer detected

What about Werbell content?

>>2105681
>More will be on the way
Either it's after the Petlin content or at worst a casualty of the mod teams splitting. The guy that worked on Werbell is still around on the team though so I'd guess it's the former rather than the latter and that it's just taking a backseat.

Kateryna seething rn

>>2105690
I think Kateryna tried to sue the other TNO Wiki on Fandom, not that one. The linked article in the screenshot doesn't have "TNOpedia" in the title.

>>2105696
No it was the TNOPedia. If you look in their genchat one of the people there straight says they were the ones contacted.

>>2105698
Oh OK, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

Guys. I have an idea on how to solve the "realism clique" problem once and for all for all mods.

forgor to post this one

>>2105726
>>2105727
>Trotskyist v Stalinist deathmatch in west Siberia
>Another old tag being revived
Cool I guess. Nice to see them work with more people TNO screwed over.

I still can't get over the fact that Kateryna cannot imagine any path for Sweden that isn't duplicitous working behind the scenes against Germany, with IRL Social Democrat or conservative politicians
>well the far right were niche in our timeline and things would NEVER change if the Nazis were victorious in Europe, fighting off an American invasion, toppling the British government and smashing the USSR into statelets
The fucking MOST Germany, hegemon of Europe and the one country that can never lose its sphere, can do is randomly assassinate a Jewish PM or unironically use sanctions as a means of getting the socdems back in power (who will continue backstabbing Germania)

>>2105726
>trotskyist wank
I always suspected there was something sus about 2wrw
Now I know what it is

>>2105729
For as much as the nudevs are trying to make Germany "realistic" they're still falling into the 'they're evil but also totally incompetent but also unstoppable' contradiction that the Nazis/anyone who opposes Western governments nowadays are smeared as.

>>2105729
swedish institutions are strong
>>2105733
it makes sense from their perspective

>all of these submod integrations
>all of these submods being officially supported
I fucking kneel.

>>2105737
Lol.

>>2105742
It really feels like they're forming a big tent community coalition against the nudevs.

>>2105748
they really need to get the chinks

>>2105749
Those are the ones making So Far From Home for France. I have a hunch they are the same ones that did LAAR.

Mister President, another italy has hit the content pipeline

>>2105752
they really should rip leaked penelopes web content from the leaked builds

>>2105752
I'll allow it if it means that we'll FINALLY get Red Italy at some point.

>>2105752
KINO
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>>2105754
Good idea.

Love how devniggers has stopped even trying to put effort into their bait, absolutely buck broken

>>2105759
More like 2wrw devniggers don't have to false flag anymore

>>2105760
See what we mean? Zero effort from the TNO jannies.

And China too?

>Hit bump limit in one day because of two raids followed by an anti-DV reveal conference
This has to be a new record, right?

you're telling me these requiem people just decided to set up their version of tno and immediately announce 20 reworks?
i'm sure they will get done

>>2105777
They could've used the TSS leaders, especially the much more interesting Chen Gongbo
But no, let's keep Gao Zongwu

Thankfully a lot of current tno devs are probably going to ditch tno to join requim so we should see a lot faster updated especially without any minigame shit

>>2105787
lol
lmao

>>2105782
It's just two plus I see it more like statements of intent than anything else. The big stuff are the submods that have already made good progress and their in-house stuff that's hopefully coming out sooner rather than later since they've pledged to never do Mexico/Denmark GUIs.
Plus I mean... Italy and China are completely dead in TNO.

>>2105787
I think more people will just leave HOI4 modding altogether. They just wasted years of their lives on nothing and something that just pledges to do the opposite gets a warmer reception, at least outside of their hyper-moderated Devcord and Reddit.

>>2105787
Yugo is locked in the cuckshed and I don't see him breaking out. He seems to be the only worthwhile big name developer there.

>TNO integrates submods
>Dead mod their canibalizing other modz1!!1
>2wrw integrates submods
>Wow bazed redux!!!1

>>2105796
Yes, TNOfag deliberately missing the point.
Your mod is shit because you're deleting all of Africa and replacing it with OTL slop. We're happy that the Redux is giving us a playable Free France instead. Or for that matter, a Russian unifier compared to Antarctica skeletons. It's not even a contest. Maybe you people should think more about what you integrate in the future? Clearly integrations alone aren't the problem. No one was mad about Brazil being integrated back in the day.

>>2105796
The problem with TNO doing it is that its their *only* actual content additions recently.

Requiem literally released its own content two weeks ago. Its still in its setting up phase with a small ish dev team.

Requiem has significantly more leeway exactly BECAUSE its not base TNO, Requiem isnt known for having Quotas and YEARS worth of content for MULTIPLE tags in the sheds and dozens of reworks.

>>2105799
nayrt but 2WRW does have a troubled background with their own dev hell and a recent split, but I'm still cautiously optimistic. It seems like they learned their lessons and that a lot of their problems came from trying to be more like TNO. Let's give them a chance and hope they actually prove it now that they're no longer in dev hell and got a lot of new people onboard.

>>2105796
>one integrated TNO mod is Antarctica skeletons that fucked with the map
>other is an Africa submod that gutted three big colonies with focuses, a semi major war and Free France remnant only to replace it with OTL borders, border skirmishes, and some proxy wars
>Both of these are utterly mogged in content amount by a single Russian warlord submod for Requiem

Very minor announcement it seems. Also seems to be leading into a second announcement in half an hour?

I think this is padding out to make it go a bit longer or to increase hype for the last few announcements?

Im not sure how many remember but some of the current TFR leads/devs like the russian lead used to be 2wrw devs from when it was just a decision to declare war on germany as any unifier

>>2105805
I think this are all snippets from the roadmap picture they plan to release at the end.

>>2105805
It's a small but welcome announcement. TNO is pretty poorly balanced and this definitely needs to be done given their focus on big wars. Not a hype moment but it's good that they understand that it's something that needs fixing.

>>2105805
TNO's unit balancing is all sorts of fucked up, I definitely do not blame them for bringing awareness to this issue and trying to fix it.

Yeah just like I figured, there was another part to the previous announcement

>>2105820
>The spaghetti is real
>There's no documentation
No surprises there. Hope they can untangle that shit.

>>2105822
Is TNO's code literally archaeotech? Is that why the nudevs can't get shit done? Because they literally pushed out everyone who understood how the code works, especially with Toolbox Theory?

>>2105824
As a former dev, now 2wrw dev I can confirm they have documentation of the TT stuff in the git, it's the older stuff that doesn't have it.

>>2105824
I'd say so. It's one of the reasons why TT is abandoned and they reinvent the wheel every time with Mexico adding new systems made from the ground up on top of TT. TNO's talent bleed is very real. Imagine yourself: how motivated would you be to work on something that no one will be able to play? That's not even getting into their cliques and politics.

>>2105830
So the base is a mystery while some of the newer code has at least some guides? Sounds like a bitch to deal with.

>>2105820
someone explain what they're talking about here, i'm retarded

No they are NOT doing what I think they are

>>2105841
Combat and the economy being improved/fixed.

>>2105843
Don't play with my heart like this

WHO MUST GO

>>2105846
Corn!

Oh shit

THEY ARE

WHO, MUST, GOOOOOO

>>2105851
Kazembek is KasemBACK! Nice to see another Russian unifier!

>>2105796
KX also started by intergrating submods too RETARD

You guys are rubes if you think half of this is going to actually happen. Reduxes DO NOT have a good track record.

>>2105863
Maybe because 95% of reduxes were just autistic chuds who announced they were making a redux, dropping a month later. If someone can make a redux, its 2WRW, since they are the biggest submod and, according to they, have enough devs to make these reworks

I cant tell if this is a rework or just more content?

Seems to be atleast a soft rework if anything

>>2105863
KX has a better track record of pleasing its fans than TNO does.
Your move, janny.

>>2105867
With Vote Pig killing any hopes for other US content they need to find something to expand America with. Hard to tell with this one. At least we aren't getting Vote Pig.

>>2105863
2wrw has survived 3 fucking purges and shutdowns over the 5 years. its a tough old mod

14th announcement will the N### F#######

>>2105417
his post has been made visible and people are mocking him there for being a dumb nigger who fakes screenshots

Will our hero DQRK CZQRIST retaliate against the evil kiwis?

>>2105872
Ashley's trans cock mouthraped anon before he could tell us!

alive mod

>>2105874
What an absolute fucking retard.

still didnt get it. Is the more perfect union removing NPP? is it just a facelift? Whats it chuds?

>>2105891
No idea. I'm guessing it's a stopgap until they can get an actual US team going.

They made themselves a reddit and telegram

And then they split the music into its own submod, probably to help with mod size

>>2105893
reddit was public for like 2 weeks but ok. Also they should make a X account

>>2105895
ik but now its official is what I'm saying.

So with the reveals concluded, what's everyone's opinion on it? It feels like the opposite of DV and just getting Free France and more Russian unifiers is good, and their own in house content are promising if they actually do what they say and get better at finishing content. Actually hopeful this can be our KX. Some announcements were weaker than others but overall I'm optimistic. And meanwhile on the other side of the fence, TNO is deleting all its African content.

>>2105898
I think it was a great start. They were also lucky that Nudevs were stupid enough to make the most unpopular announcement in their history two days before TNO Requiem, which will coincidentally add content to Free France, which everyone loves. So I think they're pretty hyped.

>>2105891
iirc i think it's related to the pre-existing submod that adds humphrey as a candidate?
dunno for sure and i could be confusing it tho

>>2105905
that was the union forever. The problem is i didnt find a thing about the more perfect union and their announcement was very vague, so idk what they plan on

TNO devs absolutely fucking nuked this thread lmao look at all the deleted comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m9tyvc/what_do_you_think_of_the_leaks/

>>2105898
It's basically the official declaration of war between TNO:R / TNR and TNO.
Never been more excited ever. Despite all the set back, the attempt coup'd, the blackmails, they will always get back up to become much stronger than ever. The dream of TNO Redux lives and march one!

Soooo, to recap, we are officially getting:
>A new name + rebranding with new social medias
>Omsk Post-Apocalypse content and finishing touches to finally end this saga
>Some info on why BOTI took so long(it was due to the nudevs fucking up with the ODF map) + reassurance that the current dev team will not repeat the same mistakes as previous leads
>SAF content, mostly inherited from the current lead's own submod + its own thing too right afterwards
>Nordics skeleton content (interventions in the 2WRW, interactions with Germany and reunified Russia, more wars, etc) + Onega unifier (?) content
>FREE FRANCE submod version for TNO Requiem, not integration however, just a partnership with SFFH
>Magadan full content, presumably just Petlin and Matkovsky for now, no mention of Werbell (presumably hes still on the list, just placed in the backburner)
>Partnership with TNOpedia, this is a minor thing in comparison to the rest of the announcements, but still huge because this is the same wiki Kateryna tried to raid, so its a big fuck you to xer (rip bozo)
>Songs of Siberia submod integration, involves a new Trotskyist unifier tag in Central Siberia that starts out in Nizhny Tagil
>PRC revived at last (now named Tuvan's Peoples Republic), also done through integrating a submod, presumably involes two paths, one being Vasilevsky and the other Brezhnev (?)
>Italy skeleton and eventual proper content announcement, PW is finally once again within our grasp (but, actually real this time)
>China content announcement, looks to be a proper GAW with RoC, Yunnan and content for another warlord (cant recognize the flag next to the RoC one)
>Unit and system rebalances, as well as retouching the now years-old coding present in TNO. Some of this code is literally so old that it is completely unknown, so it will take a while to unravel the sheer mess of whatever the previous devs left behind
(1/2)

>>2105908
then i'm assuming it's just a stopgap to say 'we're not touching anything to do with vote pig don't worry' while the iron's hot?

>>2105912
>Rebalancing also includes adjustments to the economy and the policy system, hopefully this means that we can actually CHOOSE our policies by spending PP or something similar to that, and that the economy system is much easier to understand and grasp before the player gets obliterated by fiscal crises
>BEREZNIKI IS BACK, after years of being largely abandoned and presumably forgotten about, Tsar and Soviets submod integration will finally readd this long-fawned over tag and concept into TNO:R
>USA rework/soft content announcement (?). No idea how big in scale this is, but hey, whatever it is, surely its going to be better than Vote Pig
>Music mod is now officially separate from main mod, in order to lessen the load on your computers

With that out of the way, what do we think? Do you guys think that they will deliver?

>>2105912
so peak bro, im tired of winning

>>2105917
>Do you guys think that they will deliver?
I trust them to make more Russia stuff and maybe South Africa. Everything else is vaporware until we see actual progress.

>>2105913
desu, i think USA needs a rework and maybe removal of the NPP if they replaced it with a good thing. The problem is that they just replace it with OTL garbage, with the mechanics of "Muh, the republicans are bad, dixiecrats are bad, activist democrats are the only good guys, the USA is bad", with the only extremist who can be elected being gus hall (removed yockey), with qpq (another retarded dev), just adding the same mechanics that he had done in his tct mod where hall receives 5% of the votes and enters through congress.

>>2105919
desu they probably have a way better chance of delivering than TNO nudevs since they announced they wont add the retarded minigames that delay development in years

>>2105902
For sure, TNO was just coming off an insane losing streak. Ruining most US content, deleting all African content and some head scratchers like nuking Haiti. And we get Free France, three Russian unifiers, two new Omsk focus trees, a Sweden that can join the Pakt and maybe even Red Italy. If they even deliver on half on it I'll be happy.

>>2105909
They just can't stop taking Ls. Even their jannies are overwhelmed at this point. Also try and get screencaps/archieves of deleted content.

>>2105912
>>2105917
Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic since you never know with these things but they're making good promises unlike TNO who are just deleting everything at this point.

We're getting a patch sometime today, probably to change all the TNO imagery to TN:R stuff.

>>2105921
The removal of all minigames is a huge deal. That's the big announcement people are sleeping on. That's what kept Omsk from releasing for so long and it's what's holding back TNO too. Just look at how much faster TFR gets content out. It's not a 1:1 comparison but they get more done in months than TNO does in years.

We also got inderictly mentioned, I SWEAR they are looking at this thread

>>2105925
It's so fun that the minigames made them spend years in development hell, until the new devs only arrived at the beginning of this year, deleted the minigames, and managed to deliver content that had been in dev hell for years in 6 months. This counting the attempted coups, sabotage, and other things that the nudevs tried to stop them.

>>2105926
chuds cant stop winning

Remain calm.

Five endures.

TNO lives.
Remain calm.

Five endures.

TNO lives.

The TNO Requiem shall endure.

There is much to be done.
The TNO Requiem shall endure.

There is much to be done.

>>2105927
That's also why I'm hopeful for the post apocalypse content releasing soon. The Omsk lead already said that you'd get to explore the world through the focus tree and that you'd get to fight proper battles in the post-apocalyptic landscape. And to compare again to TNO: non-canon nukes that are then ignored because following through on your story is hard. Or their old nudev plans that he scrapped which was apparently about Yazov going mad in the bunkers and purging his generals in a minigame.

>>2105933
>Give me Skeleton Content or I retire
Also I would put it as 7 times Moskowien was scrapped

>>2105936
>7 scrapped Moskowiens
Wasn't it nine?

>>2105938
Is there any list of docs showing all the ones we know? Might make a qbam compilation even if none of them are actually coming out

>>2105939
Don't think so. At first there was the Israel-Palestine expy, then we had at least two major versions of the big mandatory civil war, and now we have nothing ever happening. There were several versions, plans and flowcharts in between but a lot of it is now just straight up lost media. The most common number of reworks is ten, but there might even be versions in between that didn't get counted since they aren't even on any leaked dev builds and had their documents deleted.

TNO DV announcement oficially reaches 1M views on X, biggest engagement for a hoi4 mods post so far, with 80% of quotes and replies criticizing the mod. TNO jannies answer? Calling all them nazis

>>2105950
You'd think even the devniggers must've had their echo chambers breached by that one. But I'm not surprised that they aren't.

>>2105952
All the remaining nudevs and jannies are already 100% faithful to the realism clique, they won't change their minds even if everyone boycotted the game and uninstalled TNO. The only way to save the mod is with a redux.

>>2105956
>all our community attacking us and ratioing our posts mean we are doing good
are their retarded?

>>2105950
>tfw the biggest engagement in your mods history was from a teaser that you slowly wanted the community to accept
Is tno actually fucked after this?

>>2105960
people with ukraine, taiwan and palestine flags are calling them out and they refuse to listen

>>2105960
If overwhelmingly negative feedback is a good thing, why do they constantly feel the need to delete it in your own communities?

>>2105961
There's no way they'll recover after this. This is beyond shooting yourself in the foot. These threads get pretty negative but I don't think anyone could've predicted that it'd be this much of a disaster. I honestly expected a lot of people to either not care or accept it like with Burgundy.

>>2105967
This ended up breaking the bubble of the usual nudevs haters (4chan, kiwifarms and others) for literally 90% of the community. People who hadn't even followed the mod for years found out about this and everyone is pissed. This combined with the TNO Requiem could be the beginning of the end of TNO, never before has there been such a big reaction like this

>>2105964
>critics means we are on the right path
>delete critics
its just nudevs coping as always

>>2105963
I even saw people with the hammer and sickle in the user complaining about this. The guys united chuds, Nazis, NAFO, liberals and tankies against them lmao

>>2105970
I didn't even think about all the lapsed fans. It must be crazy to have moved on from the mod in 2021 only to return to see that they've made negative progress in five years and that all the demo content you played as a kid is getting deleted.

>>2105973
>The radlib clique created world peace by united everyone against them
So this was their plan all along!

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4modding/comments/1lq4ezu/tno_devs_in_a_nutshell/?share_id=ffASR9FaAXjhXOintc1_H&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

funny how in hoi4 and hoi4modding reddit the TNO devs get largely ostracized, except in their community where, curiously, the initial posts criticizing them are removed and replaced by comments applauding the devs as always

>>2105950
link?

btw any new progress update from the 2WRW team?

>>2105999
https://x.com/TNOmod/status/1948855838858191237

>>2106006
they released 15 announcements on what they will do and integrate with the mod. Some anons posted on this thread so just scroll up

>>2106007
>1+M views
>less than a thousand likes
Holy fuck that's nasty.

Honestly, the only thing to fear for the redux would be the community it makes for itself and the people behind the mod. Look at modern TNO, a majority of current fans ignore that people played the game for something fun and would put you on a stake if you spoke against the vision the devs had (before they decided you were "Being a dick" and delete your presence from their community). It's great that there's people who are willing to keep this mod alive in some way, good luck to the developers (Don't get sucked into the delusions of Writing > Developing, but don't be burnt out by the programming, take care of yourselves).

>>2105912
>>2105911
What are the chance of TNO dev team infiltrate then sabotage TNO:R causing it ends with the same fate as the previous TNOR attempt?

let me guess, you aren't allowed to just kill the africans and have to let the colonies go despite being ruled by fascists that are literal nazi collaborators? honestly is it just me or are they white washing the nazis? it's like they remove all the batshit and genocidal stuff for generic authoritarianism

I'm still Five's biggest hater for being a retard who couldn't produce anything after working on his submod for years and then just abandoned it. He has until the end of the year to make Requim worthwhile or he just exposes himself again for being just another useless TNO dev
time is ticking bucko

>>2106033
Yes, but also most/all colonies are doomed to fail.

Did the 2WRW team not learn from their mistakes after Brave New World?

"They're used to stuffing their bellies with human flesh and their pockets with money for centuries. But they must realise that their vampire banquet is coming to an end." - Vladimir Putin

>>2106059
Panzer cucked completely and praised the utter destruction of his mod for the anniversary. Still gave me a chuckle.

>>2106062
it less about Panzer himself and more about his support base. Hence the tiny little panzer.

>>2106062
it was probably more about him not wanting to start drama, I doubt he really cares at this point

>>2106059
>"They're used to stuffing their bellies with human flesh and their pockets with money for centuries. But they must realise that their vampire banquet is coming to an end." - Vladimir Putin
ZAMN! TFR reference!?

>>2106059
Fucking BASED.

>>2106030
They already tried that and failed miserably

For the first time in years, I actually feel like there's hope things might get better. Not just that we'll stop the bleeding, but that things might actually improve. How I wouldn't love being a fly on the wall over at the lead devs innermost echochamber right now as the entire HOI4 community has turned on them.

>>2106110
>turned on them
More like the Emperor proudly marched out in his new clothes only for his echo chamber to burst when he found out no one wanted to suck him off. But I do feel bad for small fry quiet devs that had their work utterly laughed at.

>>2106122
That's a better analogy. And yeah I often feel bad for the smaller devs. I hope that they don't get too demoralized just because the TNO leads are very toxic and poor at making decisions and leave the modding scene.

A peculiar phenomenon in the online community known as "TNO", based off of the popular mod for Hearts of Iron IV, The New Order, is the concept of "Brain Rot". The lack of updates has left the community starved of new content to stimulate themselves, causing repetitions of previously mentioned jokes and memes, as well as degeneration of the collective and personal psyche (though none quite so bad as the infamous "Speer Hoodie" incident).

To calculate the collective effects on the community, I have assessed community interactions across multiple communities, and determined the general prevalence of a number of symptoms, so that a professional better equipped than I may be able to treat the problem. Having personally seen the mod leak from political subreddits such as r/neoliberal to obscure Australian sport subreddits like r/nrl, it is imperative we get to the bottom of the problem as soon as possible.

I have calculated that the community, at this level of brain rot, is:

100%: [STRENG GEHEIM]

72%: Justifying why the Heydrich path is actually good because he destroys Germany

67%: Is currently or has recently been on a Harold MacMillan fetish RP Discord call

60% Commissioning a Dirlewanger NFT

54%: [REDACTED BY ORDER OF PRESIDENT GEORGE WALLACE]

51%: Doing a Pogchamp moment with everyone's favourite pogging ultranationalist, Ian Paisley

47%: Making Serov-Yeltsin NSFW fan art

39%: Wearing purple Crocs

30%: Writing Meinhof-Speer fanfic (mine has von Tresckow as a cuckold)

25%: Joining the IDF so they can commit Nakam (they don't know what Nakam actually is)

18%: Gassing Boers

10%: Forcibly conscripted into Long Yun's next bayonet charge

6%: Gaming with Nobusuke Kishi in Manchuria

0%: Actually of proper mental health