Why did she quit?

Was Hololive really working that hard?

>>101591134 (OP)
Money

>>101591134 (OP)
Hololive probably had a "fuck you policy" like you had to report to Japan HQ for as many days as they feel like with no reimbursement.

Delutaya is gone man, move on already

Large indies make more money. This might be hard for you to believe but she probably makes more money as an indie than Gura ever did in her whole career. The only exceptions are girls like Suisei who are both popular as vtubers and also make record deal money.

>>101591313
i don't think you realize just how much merch gura sold

>>101591342
I'm well aware. What you don't realize is how much of that money Gura saw. And you also don't realize the raw power of taking your fanbase with you and having to give absolutely nobody a cut.

>>101591134 (OP)
Nobody wants to work for a Black Company

>>101591228
This. Fauna said she tried to have a healthy lifestyle which includes going to bed at certain time, and it was impossible because Japanese autists make you attent a million meetings for no reason at fucking 3-4 AM.
Speaking of which, why the fuck do their girls have so many dancing lessons when they do events once or twice a year? Its like someone at Hololive has to justify some expenses so they make girls do all this retarded shit that has very little to do with actual vtubing.

>>101591510
that's bullshit because Kiara works in Euro hours majority of the time for years this days

If you actually watched Fauna you'd know she hated traveling to Japan for weeks an end because of muh sick old cat and muh lack of vegan food options

>>101591134 (OP)
I know this is a bait thread but fuck it.

This has been stated over and over again it's very obvious. Since going public shareholders have harrassed cover over lowering talent pay/shares. Basically every recent graduation were during suspected contract renegotiation periods. Cover likely lowballed them all by using metrics they didn't agree with (likely sub counts and not things like stream hours or ccv) they could not come to an agreement and both parties mutually decided to split.

>>101591559
Maybe it doesnt bother her too much? Not everyone is the same.

>>101591392
you still must give platform a cut, hire some management, pay artists etc. and you can't bebefit from Cover's infrastructure. 3D lives are insanely expensive for example.

>>101591629
It would be really dumb if they tied their pay/bonus to hitting particular sub counts lol. ... Then again some of the girls (*cough*Bae*cough*) did make very obvious pushes with vertical or gimmick streams to attain certain subscriber milestones, only to pretty much return to normalcy once they got it. Hmm.

>>101591134 (OP)
Constant flights + timezone nonsense + management being slow and incompetent

They fumbled her song with mumei for months only releasing it at the very last moment. Other mems have complained about their projects getting fucked up by management too.

Biboo moved to Japan and is living her dream while fauna whore is crying alone for concert failure

>>101591433
Millions of indies would die for the opportunity

>Was Hololive really working that hard?
Try: "Was working at Hololive really that hard?"

>>101591134 (OP)
>>101591217
If you're going to keep hating on Fauna then I'm going to keep saying Mumei has autism.

>>101591134 (OP)
Greed

>>101597169
In order to put the board's debate about whether or not Mumei has autism or not to rest once and for all, I have taken it upon myself to get actual results.

I have taken three different autism tests to determine whether Mumei would actually be considered for diagnosis; I have answered these tests from the POV of Mumei, based on her personality, behavior and all of the information she has related about herself in streams. And before you say 'but how could you possibly know how Mumei would answer/what answers would match her' I have watched Mumei since debut and seen hours and hours of her content; I have never once skipped a super chat reading even when having to hear 'don don' 'chunky monkey' and 'whatever camel' over and over again.
Furthermore, I have even intentionally avoided trying to game the tests and answer in a way that I think is likely to produce a positive result and have answered agree to statements that would make her more sociable such as 'I enjoy chitchat' 'I like making friends' etc.
As you can see, even factoring these things in, the results are still what they are.

The first test is the typical industry standard Simon Baron-Cohen 50 question long 'Autism Spectrum Quotient' test that almost all actual doctors/clinicians use as the preliminary assessment to see if someone would qualify for a session to determine diagnosis. This is the test in which I factored in Mumei's sociability as best as possible - the result still indicates likelihood of autism.
The second test is one for parents to see if their child might have autism - this one I have based the answers on Mumei's stories of her childhood, such as being silent and not talking/interacting with people/her mother. As you can see, the score is above the average score for autism in children.
The third test is the 'Empathy Quotient' (and as you can see, this test is described as being statistically very reliable). This one is slightly confusing since the score is descending i.e. the lower the score the more likely to be autistic; the threshold score for autism is 30 or lower - as you can see, Moom scores lower than this meaning high likelihood (this is even factoring in such answers as agreeing that 'my friends say I am good at understanding their problems')

In conclusion, this trifecta of results answered from the POV of Mumei derived entirely from her observed behavior and information from streams indicates STRONGLY that she should be referred for an official diagnosis of Autism in the eyes of any standard clinician.

>>101591510
She joined a Japanese company whose only office is in Japan. Japanese people are going to work during the working hours in Japan not the working hours of another country.

>>101591134 (OP)
I think it was more to do with contract restrictions. It seems that there is an ever increasing bureaucratic growth that's tightening like a noose on what they can and can't do.

If you're fine with playing safe and easy it works, but some aren't.

>>101591134 (OP)
Corrupted by malevolent forces (shark bitch)

>>101598368
>make an international branch specifically for western vtubers to reach out to the western market
>demand that they follow Japanese hours
Is Cover stupid?

>>101591134 (OP)
Source?

>>101591629
>lazy women who dont stream but had high numbers got lowballed because they had high stream hours but low sub count
Make it make sense

>>101598814
That would make more sense if Dooby and Kson didnt get out and still do nothing creative

>>101591134 (OP)
muh cats

>>101601713
yes, they never cared to expand to global no matter what they say

>>101591623
Even as Nimi she’s constantly having cat problems she puts on herself that prevents her from streaming so what’s the fucking difference at this point

>>101591623
>There is a lack of vegan food options in Japan!
Anon casually went full retard.

>>101591134 (OP)
She's streaming significantly more than she did as Fauna. Dunno what changed but she seems happier and I'm sure she's not hurting for money. It's was a good move for her. Holofags dont need to get their panties in a twist. It doesn't mean the corpo is black. Streamers just want different things and maybe the corpo atmosphere wasn't for her where it is for others.

>>101597454
tldr: anon is in the spectrum

>>101591510
>dancing lessons
this is just idol talk for ALL mocap sessions
they aren't doing any actual dancing
Ina doesn't have stamina and Mori is too fat, do you really think it's them doing it?
The only real dances they do are for the ytshorts/tiktoks with the regular 3d rigs

i would argue that she has even more success outside of hololive (compared to dooby at least)

>>101604842
retardGOD

>>101604842
>Here's me talking out of my ass!
Kind of a trite performance anon, why bother?

>>101591510
>why the fuck do their girls have so many dancing lessons
1. It's a skill you refine over time.
2. It's a lowkey health check that you aren't getting stiff or fat.

>>101591217
fpbp

>>101591623
>If you actually watched Fauna
Why do you watch someone you don't like?

>>101591134 (OP)
All her projects either had a lot of management meddling for no reason or got delayed forever, her manager was absolute shit, and I find the "grifter! money!" narrative increasingly ironic, considering all her actions in 2024/2025 point more towards her refusing to be a shill for money (and still no supas). Traveling was a factor, but more like a secondary thing, something that she would probably be more inclined to deal with if not for retarded management giving her little motivation for that effort.
tl;dr too much stick and apathy, not enough carrot

>>101591510
If Fauna really wanted to be healthy she wouldn't be a vegan

>>101608464
moar liek veGONE, am i right?

>>101608379
where are her projects now, she seems all in on streaming

The tariffs make her cut smaller, I guess

Everyone who quit and went indie within the last year just wanted more money. Cover grew a lot so the talents thought they deserved a bigger slice of the profits, but Cover wouldn't renegotiate the contracts (this is the often referenced "disagreement with management"), so they left.
I won't believe any other explanation.

>>101608649
She wants to mostly stream, yeah, but she released 2 covers, ASMR after charity stream, more ASMR in production where she writes her own script + draws art, concert very soon so she was busy with that. She also spends more time writing her book now as a hobby.

>>101608983
If you only wanted more money you would just stay with Hololive and spam sponsored streams and collab merch, why would you go indie and not even open superchats?

>>101597454
>let me defeat the entire purpose of these tests by taking it in someone else's stead
Retard.

>>101591217
fpbp

>>101609007
you talk like asmr is this huge thing lol, when most actual asmrtists do it every week no prob

>>101609007
>ASMR after charity stream
where

>>101591559
kiara makes it work because she steals the other girls' energy so she's always good

>>101610204
obligatory

>>101591134 (OP)
Such a waste of a good model

>>101591134 (OP)
They all quit by disagreements with managements so it's safe to say there's probably some insane jp work culture autism behind the scenes.

>>101609023
>spam sponsored streams and collab merch,
Because that sounds like a lot of work.

>>101591510
>Its like someone at Hololive has to justify some expenses so they make girls do all this retarded shit that has very little to do with actual vtubing.
Working at a corporation in a nutshell

>>101593232
>It would be really dumb if they tied their pay/bonus to hitting particular sub counts lol. .
You know how numberfags are on this board? Japanese numberfags are fifty times worse because they actually control the pay that talents get, while using the worst metrics for each one.

If you think /#/ are schizophrenic, read some of these shareholder meetings and they use metrics like "How many people showed up for this physical meet-up in Japan"

>>101602835
Dooby was tired of not being able to play anything she wanted. She joined as a game streamer but HoloEN doesn't get shit for permissions that isn't Minecraft

>>101591134 (OP)
Enough rrats, Fauna and her colleges wouldn't want you to speculate. She's gone, she's happy now and in a better place.

>>101608631
>Everyone heard the joke but chooses not to respond.

It probably sounded a lot funnier in her head

>>101591134 (OP)
Hololive were denying her opportunities and spending the money they took from her on stupid shit like holoeath and homostars
The company is supposed to use some of their share of the money to reinvest in the talents and they completely betrayed that duty

>>101591134 (OP)
yeah

>>101591510
>>101591559
my favorite part of this is that Gura, Fauna, Ame and Mumei didn't speak a word of nip and Gura basically confirmed that during every meeting she would just sit there and not understand what was going on and it was pointless for her to be there

>>101591510
>Speaking of which, why the fuck do their girls have so many dancing lessons when they do events once or twice a year?
Maybe its because they suck at dancing and people who suck at dancing need lots of practice in order to do the bare minimum?

>>101604593
most nip shit is cooked with fish

>>101591510
>and it was impossible because Japanese autists make you attent a million meetings for no reason at fucking 3-4 AM.
>3-4am EDT is 4-5pm in JST
>3-4am PDT is 7-8pm in JST
I know the Japs work late but why tf are they hosting meetings so late in the day? Highly doubt meetings are happening so late in the day that often. Do you really believe that have to stay up that late all the time?

She was horny for minorities but not the slant eyed kind

>>101616761
Fauna would never.

>>101616921
He doesn't know

She did it purely to spite you, OP

>>101591392
Gura used to be a 3view before hololive. She babysat and scrubbed people's toilets.
Gura made millions of dollars while in hololive. Her sushiro collab alone generated more than $3 million in profit. Even if she only received 10% of that, she would have made $300k from that sponsorship alone. She had some of the most successful merch sold in hololive history, including Dino Gura, the sales of which she got 50% of. She has multiple millions of dollars and is one of the most successful vtubers in the world. None of that would have happened without the corpo. Nimi isn't making a fraction of what Gura made in hololive with or without the cut. She probably isn't even making as much as Fauna did, considering her superchats are off and not all her members followed her. And she certainly has made nowhere near the amount of profit in merch sales.
We can see how much Cover pays their talents in their earnings reports. They make more than anyone else in the industry, including indies. That is why they still get tens of thousands of audition applications every year.
You obviously cannot do math.

if it was for money why has she still not opened surperchats

>>101591623
>muh sick old cat
That wasn't what she didn't want to be away from for very long.

>>101611226
is that what those oshi sticker boards were for??? I knew it was shady, the girls who got the least stickers always seemed to have the least events or releases

>>101591134 (OP)
This is a thing that not too many people get, but celebs and high payed office workers often get to a point where they realise that they arn't happier from more money and fame. Maybe in the past it was a thrill to see a number go up, or great to be able to not have to worry about money and afford things, but you get diminishing returns and reach a cutoff point pretty early on.
Even with fame you get to a point when privacy gets to be a concern, then you realise you can only care about 150 people, the rest are abstractions to the mind.
It was more understood in the pre internet days when fame wasn't as easy to get but a higher standard of living was achievable in the USA. Independence and autonomy that comes with the independent life can do more than $20,000 a year.
Collectivist people don't seem to get this, it is partially genetic, part cultural and also that most people don't get this level of fame and wealth.

Pretty sure she just quit because Gura was quitting, it's not that deep
Same with Ame

>>101591134 (OP)

>>101591134 (OP)
Because she hated her fat tits