>The most popular vtuber among normies
>Re-debuts as an unapologetic pedobait coomer design
>Seduces oji-sans live with her tummy
>Fanbase are literal crabs called Kani
>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
I don't think most people realize the magnitude of what she just did. This is the same person that was the face of western vtubing.
She pretty much filtered them all in a single 1 hour stream.
Unfathomably based.

Post hentai of her to further filter out normies. No seriously, i cant find any on twitter.

>>101716767 (OP)
>>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
most normalfags dont know or care, you're referring to a specific breed of hipster westerners entrenched in a culture war

>>101716767 (OP)
She'll make pedos mainstream. Before long, you'll be assigned a personal cunny by a government program, either by the current one (considering their Epstein sweeping) or whichever one promises that in the future. Rejoice! The Awacunnying is at hand!

>>101716767 (OP)
I didn’t watch her stream, so when I saw that awful design in the catalog, it took me a while to accept that it was actually saba.

Who cares her content is shit and she'll fuck off for months with no streams anyway.

>>101717355
cope some more, paggy

>>101717095
Haha, you LOST you goddamn subhuman brown FAGGOT

>>101716893
?. Search better.

>>101716767 (OP)
she was pedobait before howeverthoughst?

>>101717135
That's a made up graph by the way, it doesn't exist. Go check for yourself

There was more people there from Saba's debut than there were for Gura's graduation, they were obviously a bunch of tourists I'm glad they got filtered

>>101717633
>lolipag calling others this
lol
go back to your pag archive seabro

>>101716767 (OP)
Thought no way she would go back to her old content.
But now see that there are no bounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw2BroaXoAM
no homo

>>101717687
Hi! goddamn subhuman brown FAGGOT~
Black folks get to drop a single N-word. SEAs need a whole paragraph just to say hi.

>>101716767 (OP)
chumbuds need to make shit up now to act like she does anything noteworthy

>>101716767 (OP)
it's illegal to watch her in Texas

I like how Kiwi Farms was super triggered by her debut, that alone makes her based.

>>101717736
I asked @grok and it said you're full of shit. cope and seethe, hag.

>>101716767 (OP)
>The great filtering
Why do people in the year 2025 still pretend like Loli/being a lolicon this some niche thing that will filter people?
Blue Archive and "Uooooh *crying emoji*" memes basically made the shit mainstream lol

>>101718360
Josh shouted her out in a tweet.

>>101718506
The reaction that Xitter NPCs have about Gura continuing to pander to her usual audience instead of getting an adult model to heckin' spite the pedos would say otherwise.

>>101718361
Oh no, I'm going to seethe at Elon Musk and girls who are younger than me arghhhhh

>>101718606
>would say otherwise.
They're vocal minority dumbass nigga lol
You watched Gura reach 400,000,000 subs with a 1/3rd of her personality being just pedo-baiting, and somehow convinced yourself the fetish is niche

>>101719004
>You watched Gura reach 400,000,000 subs
autists making multiple dead subs doesnt mean shit

>>101718606
I play a game with these kinds of people. Click on their accounts and see if you can scroll through 10 posts without seeing /pol/. They often fail the test.

>>101716767 (OP)
>>101718606
>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
>The reaction that Xitter
why do you keep making shit up?
Please take your meds
you keep posting the same single tweet and it makes you go whoaaa epic meltdown!!!!

>>101719084
>doesnt mean shit
It means your point about loli being a filter isn't actually true
Them being dead or not isn't relevant when the point is her being loli/pandering to lolicons didn't stop those people from subbing (and turning her into the most subbed vtuber ever)

>>101719111
lolipags are all right wing /pol/brains yes, at least on twitter.
Cant say I understand why

>>101719341
To play devil's advocate, her being more open about it than Cover allowed her to be will filter some people. This is a good thing, of course.

>>101716767 (OP)
What's her actual child fans thinking?

>>101719389
nah retard, I'm talking about the ones that whine about loli.

>>101716767 (OP)

>>101719084
a ton of those are dead subs from tourist/clip watchers subscribing to the "biggest vtuber" just because. The amount of times supposed "fans" came out shocked that Gura was a lolicon proves that.

>>101720085(me)
damn it wrong reply >>101719004

>>101719488
nobody cares what their opinion is.

>>101716767 (OP)
I don't think normalfags even know crab meme.

>>101718360
Kiwi farms users are literal troons.

>>101716767 (OP)
>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
I'd like to witness this if this is true

links and caps?

>>101718606
Reminds me how 2 vtubers I watched quit and came back as hags characters. I didn't watch them again after that.

>>101716767 (OP)
>Unfathomably
Under the sea?

>>101716767 (OP)
Good let the cringe tiktok zoom zooms stay witb Bijoo (well those that arent bots anyway)

>>101717736
I just checked and this guy is lying, the data are real

>>101717355
But enough about your mother

>>101721078
You're lying. The real graph has 5 to 10 at 100%.

Kind of depressing desu

>>101717135
>7, 8 and 9 that low
This is totally fake

>>101716767 (OP)
I used to be a fan, but once I realized what a grifter lazy petty bitch she is, I left. But honestly, this whole thing is very based. Saba, I kneel!

>>101721386
what part?

loli is late to the trend.
I have been in the Vtuber world for almost 10 years now.
It has been almost 5 years in EN.
The overall trend is becoming more of a mama character than a lolita character.
Fans are getting older and their tastes are changing.
The same thing happened in the eroge industry in the past.
Japanese people who said they loved lolita games in 2000-2005 were saying they loved mama characters in 2010.
saba only knows his old success stories and thinks that the trends in the industry are the same as they used to be.

>>101716767 (OP)
>>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
Got any links?

>>101718506
>Blue Archive and "Uooooh *crying emoji*" memes basically made the shit mainstream
Steam release when?

>>101716767 (OP)
She also filtered
>SEA and JP by streaming while they were all sleeping.
>corpo Idolfags by doing a twitch type debut with no lore, no songs, no kayfabe
Based

>>101716767 (OP)

>>101721845
>his
ESL detected, opinion discarded

>>101721845
Goob luck learning English saar

>>101716767 (OP)
You never stop to think that people are "filtered" because she's boring and uncreative. Your cope that this just isn't mainstream is too pathetic.
>Unfathomably based.
Based just means retarded, you know.

>>101721845
DO NOT REDEEM

>>101721078
This is the full study: https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/1995-hall.pdf
I don't see the data presented anywhere. They don't even collect data by female age in the study at all.

>>101719318
You have to understand people like the anon you replied to are so degenerate that their xitter feed is full of equally degenerate posters. People who don't break containment will almost never see that shit.

>>101718360
That sounds hilarious. What happened?

>>101716767 (OP)
>She isn't anywhere close to loli IRL
>She knows it
>We know she isn't anywhere close to loli IRL
>She knows we know
>We know she knows
>Everyone pretends anyways

>>101717709
She left Hololive because Cover stopped her from pedobaiting as much as she wanted

>>101716767 (OP)
>Re-debuts as an unapologetic pedobait coomer design
>Seduces oji-sans live with her tummy
I see this as an absolute win.

How long until she streams again?

>>101725268
You think she was lying about being mistaken for a child at an airport?

>>101724122
>filtered corpo Idolfags by doing a twitch type debut with no lore, no songs, no kayfabe
So she wanted to be a twitchfag all along

>>101725540
5pm est tomorrow retard.

>>101725552
She made up that story dumbass. You can see her RM and she's a weathered bag

>>101716767 (OP)
>vtuber
>normies
?

What meltdown? I've only 1 tweet from some nigga complaining.

>>101725728
There hasn't really been some real meltdown as far as I've seen, but I did look around on r*dd*t and tw*tt*r out of curiosity and there's plenty of the usual suspects complaining about the usual shit but none of it seems to have gained any major traction.

>filtering
what you try to brand as 'filtering' is just the world considering you an abhorrent subhuman, which is why you're posting about it on anonymous shitholes
nobody worthwhile wants to see you being disgusting, you are infact the ones being filtered from society along with other degenerates
congratulations on being a literal human reject

>>101725728
>pedobait design
>constant pandering and innuendos straight out of the gate
>GET YOUR WALLETS OUT FOR DAY 1 MERCH
>"guys, I'll totally start streaming now!"
Lol

>>101721845
>Fans are getting older and their tastes are changing
Exactly lmao. The older the man gets, the more lolicon he becomes. Hag lovers are guys in their early 20s.

>>101726016
I walk around with Gura merch on and normies just ask me who the cute character is lol. Normies don't automatically assume that a young looking character is automatically something sexual, they just think it's cute. You retards that equate a loli character to pedophilia are literally on another plane of existence.

>>101726114
There is a reason for this phenomena btw. Young adult males are not as desired by young adult females because they generally don't have anything to offer. This leads young females to be attracted to men in their late 20's and into their 30's because they usually have more wealth and power to offer. This now leaves a gap where older single women don't have people in their own age range to date, and same with young guys, so this leads young men to go for older women while their older counterparts take the younger females. Then when the males get older and have more to offer they then attract more younger higher value females thus completing the cycle. This phenomena has happened for centuries btw this isn't even something new.

>>101726084
Yeah I was hoping to see niggas malding cuz its funny.
IMO she's washed up but that won't stop cumbuds.

>>101726142
Obviously no one is going to publicly confront you and call you a pedo to your face based on some merch, retard. They'll definitely think you're a fucking weirdo when they go home and look up Gura.

>>101725728
>>101725989
She's so washed up that no one cares to even use that as drama
I guess the corpo label does make you more noteworthy

>>101726477
>and other delusions I tell myself daily

>>101716767 (OP)
Compressed

>>101724898
>You never stop to consider my fanfic delusions
Gee I wonder why
>This word just means the opposite of what it means btw
Rangeban SEA

>>101716767 (OP)
Literally only thing that could make me watch this bitch again is if she goes full bratty mod teasing ojisan every stream. There's no Hololive to hold her back from that anymore. If it doesn't happen then I will just shitpost about that lazy whore.

>>101725552
>Someone who makes a career out of baiting pedophiles wouldn't lie about being mistaken for a child irl!
Buddy come on now...

>>101726298
>This came to me in a dream but it makes total sense even though it really doesn't but it's what I like to believe so it's totally true!
Sure, sure.

>>101725552
That's RP about her character, anon. Even Ichigo is an adult woman behind her avatar.

>>101726952
Stay the fuck away from my feesh you smelly rodent, nobody wants you

>>101726657
>i bet people think that guy i spoke to on vt is a pedo when they see him in public with anime cunny all over his clothes

I definitely do tell myself that.

>ugly had hiding behind loli model says anything
>"UNFATHOMABLY BASED"

Unironically can't tell which fanbase is worse: cuckbuds, shondocucks, or pippacucks. Also just realized all three are hags with loli avatar. What a coincidence.

>>101727159
What? Since when the fuck is Pippa a loli? Out of every vtuber you could have picked it's the clearly old as fuck Pippa?

holy pedoseethe

>>101726084
>OPEN YOUR WALLET CHUMFUCK

>>101727207
idk there's been some movement recently trying to push her into the loli camp because her model has a big head. it's kinda retarded but what do you expect from the usual suspects

>>101727159
The cumbuds I've met irl are chill and shower. The fact that their oshi is a disappearing grifter hasn't ruined them for social scenarios.

The pippafags are mostly browns and smell because their anti "the man" or whatever. Kind of a general phasecuck problem though. They're a lot of brown asians who are convinced the have the aryan asian "no BO" genes so they don't shower once a day.

Can't speak for shondofags, I've never met someone who had her as their #1.

I still cant accept she have animal ear
For fuck sake at least make it become fish fin or something else

>>101716971
this is the most true thing about this, both sides of the annoying faggot horseshoe are the ones tilted by drawings, no one else cares, infact teen (and loli for hentai) tag is still the most popular one on porn sites

>>101727505
>And other copes pedos tell themselves
Is that why you're still so insecure about it?

>>101716893
It's literally the first thing I saw when I searched Saba earlier

>>101727425
She had a Gura outfit that had animal ears. No one complained, they liked it. Find another angle to attack her. Stop being jealous because your oshi will never be as popular or as important as her.

>>101716767 (OP)
>ccv drops from 200k to 150k when she showed her tummy
Can someone explain this?

>>101716767 (OP)
13 streams
1 month hiatus
5 streams
3 month hiatus
1 stream
2 month hiatus
2 streams
8 month hiatus
graduation stream

>>101716767 (OP)
what a downgrade

>>101718089
>N-word~
Go back chimp

The amount of jealousy and seethe in these threads is great. It's funny seeing how mad she makes people because their oshi will never be as important or as popular as her. Omocat merch, sold out in record time. Faster than anyone in Hololive

>>101727607
Well, it's a child. I'm not interested so I left. Model is the whole point in watching vtubers instead of fleshies and some 40 year old playing a child is just weird.

>>101727655
it helps that shes so fucknig cute and her model has actually good rigging

>>101727655
There will never be something quite as ridiculous as vtuber fans arguing something is good because it's popular.

>>101727607
that didnt actually happen so not sure what you want to hear?
numbers started dropping slowly as soon as she showed her head and the curiosity buff wore off

I love cunny and I love loli tummy and I love little girl flat chests

>>101727777
also not helped by the fact that basically every correctly guessed her design beforehand

>>101727732
Good is subjective. If she is more popular then more people think she is good. You can be as hipster as you like but you should probably at least admit to yourself that it's a jealousy thing rather than any objective fact

why tranny jannies deleting threads left and right and only leaving the glazing threads up?????

>>101727810
>Good is subjective
Then why argue about popularity at all? Makes no sense.
>If she's more popular more people think she's good
Debatable at best. Popularity is self-actualising. Popular things are more often than not popular because they're popular. Nobody in their right mind would argue McDonalds is good food because it's the most popular fast food. This whole line of rhetoric is severely retarded.
>"Jealousy is involved when popular thing isn't liked"
>"Good is subjective"
Pick a lane, retard.

>>101727892
Probably because she doesn't need 20 threads up at a time. Try and condense the shitposting to only a few kk thanks

>>101718506
It's propagated behavior from high school sluts, same as gossip and transactional relationships.
>girl is short and flat
>gets ridiculed and bodyshamed by Stacy
>Stacy fucks half the football team
>Stacy goes to college
>Stacy fucks half the football team again
>over time Stacy's loose pussy isn't getting as much attention as it used to
Stacy has never grown out of her original behavior at any point in this progression. The men she has had sex with, and the men that want to have sex with her, started mirroring this behavior to get in her pants. You know how people talk about "toxic masculinity"? This is toxic femininity. God help you if you even try to broach that subject with anyone.

>>101716767 (OP)
She never wanted to be #1.
She's more comfortable with a more moderate sized fan base.

>>101726745
I want to have intercourse with this fish.

>>101727957
These pedo copes are always so hilariously out there.

>>101727732
>vtuber fans arguing something is good because it's popular
or maybe they're arguing that something is popular because it's good and you're too retarded to tell the difference

>>101728012
>ESL-chama thinks changing the order of words in English works the same as in his local language
Lmao, caught.

>>101727999
>These pedo copes are always so hilariously out there.
This take brought to you by someone absolutely fuming that a cartoon character has no breasts.

>>101727999
>women acting like women is an out-there cope
I yearn to explore the fantasy land that exists inside of your tiny, curry-addled little mind

>>101728039
holy fucking retard

>>101728054
>I will now fantasise random nonsense about you and pretend it has anything to do with you!
I don't think I need to repeat myself.

>>101718089
What's wrong? Too afraid to call him a niger? Nigger.

>>101716767 (OP)
That's why she's the best. The rigging is amazing too. Corpo have better design btw

>>101728066
>Women acting like women
The fact that you seem to think there is any such uniformity in people is really funny and also incredibly stupid.

>>101728039
ESL self report

>>101728075
Are you some evolved pokemon? Care to try to communicate like a human being or are you actually incapable, ESL-chama?

>>101728102
>N-no you!
Solid rebuttal, faggot. Well done.

>>101727957
nah it may have something to do with people making the association with real children

>>101728128
why would i want to communicate with someone who is arguing in bad faith and also doesn't understand english. call me esl all you want but you self reported ridiculously hard

>>101728078
>random nonsense
Sure buddy, whatever helps you cope at night.

>>101728205
>Anon responds to a post arguing there is no correlation between quality and popularity by suggesting there will magically be a correlation between the two if you change the order of causality around
>"Y-you don't understand English!"
Lol. Anon if you're not ESL that's even more embarrassing, because that just means you're genuinely illiterate in your native language. That's WORSE you dumb fuck.

>>101728204
You sound like the retard boomers that tried to ban Grand Theft Auto. "Nah it may have something to do with people making the association with real violence!"

>>101728253
>Maybe if I d-double down?
Still doesn't work, but you can try a third time, I'm sure it'll totally work then!

>>101728291
>Still doesn't work
What the fuck are you even talking about? "Work" how exactly? You're not even cogent.

>>101728101
>No human has anything in common with any other human ever
I kneel before the sheer, overwhelming power of your atomized individualism, your Reddit gold is in the mail

>>101728266
something can be low quality and popular, and something else can be high quality and popular. you're implying the reverse causality of your argument that because something is popular it can't be good. saying something is popular doesn't automatically mean it is good, saying something is popular because it is good is a completely different statement. like what the fuck are you even arguing about here you just sound like a complete idiot

>>101728285
It's a coincidence loli enjoyer forums like atf are also full of "non-offending minor-attracted persons"

>>101728317
>Anon is unable to keep up with simple conversation
There wasn't anything obtuse there anon. Take your time, read it carefully.

>>101728329
>I will take what you said and turn it into something that wasn't said and then argue with it!
Good luck with that, I guess, but you can stop trying to involve me with things I've never stated or implied.

>>101728334
>Y-you're implying, that's why!
No. Not only was no such thing ever implied, it still has nothing to do with trying to switch the order of things around and you're still comically retarded for trying.
>like what the fuck are you even arguing about here
It's seriously embarrassing for you to even be asking that, because it's really incredibly obvious. I've even stated it outright already: There is no correlation between quality and popularity, and trying to suggest otherwise is laughably stupid.

>>101728384
You can't even explain yourself. Room temperature IQ.

>>101728443
Anon, there is legitimately nothing there to explain. Are you okay?

>>101728411
>Backpedaling
No seriously go back

>>101728471
>Anon, there is legitimately nothing there to explain
What "works" and in what capacity does it "work"? You don't even know, do you? You just spat out that phrase as a rhetorical device.

>>101728492
>Anon doesn't know what backpedaling is, but he's heard the term thrown around here and can't wait to try and use it!

>>101728511
>Give me a lesson in basic English!
Nah.
>T-then you can't
You should try crouching down, flapping your arms and screeching 'cluck cluck, chicken!' next, I heard that one was more successful than whatever babble you're trying here.

>>101728520
This fanfic brought to you by someone absolutely fuming that someone pointed out that womanhood is common to women

>>101728471
nta but you're right. There's nothing to explain here. Drawings and pixels have no human rights. Drawn children are not real life children. You're no pedo for having fun with lolis anymore than you're a felon for playing GTA.

>>101728540
Funny how you accuse someone else of furnishing "random nonsense" when you are now talking about pantomiming a chicken. You truly don't have the intelligence God gave a gorilla.

>>101728565
That is the exact opposite of what the person you are replying to is asserting.

>>101728551
>Womanhood is common to women
Not what you said though, you were suggesting that this fact imparts some behavioural maxims, which obviously do not actually exist. You're trying really hard to justify hilariously childish sexism buddy, but it's a nonstarter.

>>101728565
>Anon thinks pedophile means "someone who does criminal things to real children" instead of it's actual definition of "person who is sexually attracted to children"
Ah. That boring argument again.

This argument between two browns trying to troll each other is boring.

Can someone either post cunnybait or some more normie seethe please and thank you.

>>101728566
Are you actually underage? How the fuck is that sentiment "random nonsense" to you? Bizarre.

>>101728442
look, we agree that there is no/little correlation between quality and popularity. this also isn't helped by the fact that quality can be interpreted differently by different people. but your original statement was
>There will never be something quite as ridiculous as vtuber fans arguing something is good because it's popular.
this in correlation with the topic of the thread clearly implies that you think saba isn't "quality" and you think people are trying to argue that they think she is "quality" because she is popular. my statement
>or maybe they're arguing that something is popular because it's good and you're too retarded to tell the difference
implies that the people arguing consider saba to be "quality" and are arguing that she is popular due to their perceived view of her quality. in your version their qualifier of quality comes after the popularity, in my version their qualifier of quality comes before the popularity. now that i've explained that thoroughly to you, if you still don't understand it then i regret to inform you that you are in fact thoroughly retarded

>>101716767 (OP)
I remember Chumbuds claiming Gura was tired of being lewded and stuff but then she reincarnates and does this. lmao
And is not like you couldn't see her likes before Twitter privated them and she had a lot of her own lewd/spicy art.

>>101728601
>For my next trick, I will lose the argument while sounding like as much of an insufferable Redditor as possible

>>101722719
>Steam release when?

>>101728649
>how is instructing someone to pantomime a chicken on an imageboard dedicated to discussing vtubers "random nonsense"?
lol

>>101728636
Just call the pedophiles out and they will usually, hilariously, resort to posting increasingly pornographic drawings of children to try and spook the other person.
>N-no I'm not a pedophile now look at these drawings of children in sexual circumstances that I have because I'm not a pedophile!

That should be enough to set them off, enjoy anon!

>>101728565
CORRECT

>>101728673
The "people" saying that weren't chumbuds

I hope she crashes out again because she too popular. Need to stop being mentally ill and accept that people like her.

>Massive meltdown among normies ensues
Please show me this meltdown, because literally no one cares outside of the spergs who keep making dumb shit threads like this. We've learned to largely not bother dealing with Gura fans-- we don't care, we just wish you retards could keep it to one thread.

>>101728689
>I w-win you lose!
Lol. Bow out with some dignity next time, faggot.

>>101728623
drawings are not children.

>>101728700
Your cunnybaiting isn't subtle anon

Nice, more money taken from absolutely braindead retards. I can't wait for her to farm all you faggots some more.

I wish brownfeet used a code-word to identify themselves if so one decides to false-flag it doesn't accidentally bait their cousin into a retarded argument.

>>101728733
That the best you got? Ugh, fiiiine, concession accepted.

>>101725552
Why would anybody lie on the internet?

>>101728738
Correct, but drawings of children still depict children. Not sure what you were trying to argue for since nobody was suggesting what you are trying to refute there.

If I jack off to a picture of two dudes fucking am I straight? Does it not count as gay porn because it's a drawing? Oh wow Yaoi is for straight people huh?

>>101728810
>Oh wow Yaoi is for straight people huh?
You don't actually know who the target audience of Yaoi is, do you?

>>101728653
You're right, but I wouldn't have entertained such a stupid troll as long as you did lmao.

>>101728915
what can i say it's a sunday morning and i'm alone watching vtubers, what else better do i have to do than argue with retards on the 4chinz

>>101728810
itt: seething 2views

>>101728868
Nono I'm sure gay people jack off to heterosexual pairings anon, the fact that some straight women like gay men porn totally changes the core audience of such material! You got it!

I like hags, lolis and everything in between. My graph is basically a line. All the hate of them and their enjoyers does nothing but confuse me.

>muh jerking off to pixels is affecting real children arguments in 2025
Guys, get some new material. There is zero evidence that enjoying loli equates to real pedophilia and trust me, they've tried to make the connection

>>101729024
I'll take that as a "no."

>>101729053
Of course, why would you take it as anything other than what you wanted to hear regardless of what was said?

>>101729044
What is the definition of pedophilia, pedo-kun?

>>101729093
Probably because you're too dense to realize your comparison doesn't track, and I'm not going to entertain the notion that it does.

>>101729108
sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. and before you say it, no loli avatars voiced by adults do not count as pre-pubescent children

>>101729111
>It doesn't track, and I don't really have an argument to support this claim so instead I will pretend I'm just soooo above it!
Lol. You actually think that works?

>>101729132
>Depictions of pre-pubescent children don't count for people who are attracted to pre-pubescent children!
Huh. We have a gold medal gymnast over here. Tell me more, 'Kani'.

They're really mad about this, I love seeing them suffer.

>>101729152
>Depictions of pre-pubescent children
Put a picture of Saba and a real life pre-pubescent child next to each other and you will see for yourself how retarded you are. Are lolis youthful looking? Sure, but calling them a depiction of a real child is way disingenuous. Or maybe you've just never left your basement so you haven't seen a real child before idfk

>>101727066
>even though it really doesn't
nta it is literally tho

>>101729133
>works
There's that word again, the one you like to fall back on when you don't actually have any real response.

>>101729202
Anon you're being flagrantly ridiculous. Apply that same logic to heterosexuality and you see how quickly it crumbles to nothing. No, they aren't identical, but if you like depictions of pre-pubescent children you are a pedophile, regardless of how close of an approximation to 'real' children it actually is.
>Calling a drawing of a tree a depiction of a tree is disingenuous!
...Nigger what the fuck are you doing?

>>101729206
>N-no you!
I'll take that as an admission that indeed you have no argument to support your claims. Bit redundant so I wasn't expecting much else.

>>101729026
It's something like this for me

>>101729250
So, in your deranged world, a woman that masturbates to Yaoi is a gay man?
>>101729287
Yawn.

>>101729250
A drawing of a tree is a depiction of a tree, yes. A drawing of a loli is not a depiction of a pre-pubescent child. There is a fundamental difference here but you're more interested in arguing with strawmans than the topic at hand and that's why you will never win. Loli isn't going away, get used to it

>>101729044
Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children, lolifags get off to drawings of children. If they're not pedos I'd expect them to be more interested in hentai depicting adults.
>>101729133
People don't buy that the same way they don't buy the "she's actually 5000 years old" thing. It still attracts the people who are into drawings of children. I just think pedos should be more honest with themselves.

>>101725275
That one anon who spent the past month here going on and on about how she quit Hololive because of the pedobaiting must be on suicide watch now.

>>101729321
>A drawing of a tree is a depiction of a tree, yes. A drawing of a loli is not a depiction of a pre-pubescent child.
And your reasoning behind this claim? You're suggesting a fundamental difference, which is...?
>W-well I won't provide it because... uhh.... I made up something about you and that's reason not to argue even though I'm here still talking and it's totally not because I have no real argument but can't admit defeat!
Ah. So you're out of gas but you want to keep going, and this is just desperate flailing.

>>101729344
Yeah I'm sure the self admitted lolicon from before she was even in hololive was only doing it because of hololive. That guy was clearly a tourist and idk why anyone gave him any attention.

>>101729375
There were just a lot of chumkeks in general that were in denial about the fact that she's a grifter and softcore porn or pedobaiting are some of the easiest ways to be successful in vtubing.

>>101729374
why would he have to prove it? it's right there in front of your face, do you really think the massive bug eye'd cat fish thing on the screen is anywhere near real? you're the one her obsessing over real kids pal

you always have to bite the bait, don't you

>>101729374
The fundamental difference is that loli is a depiction of a pubescent girl lol. The term loli comes from a novel called "lolita" in which the protagonist has a sexual affair with a pubescent girl. At no point has loli ever represented pre-pubescent children. At worst you could equate loli to ephebephilia, but in general anime culture lolis represent school age girls (teens). Calling it pedophilia is a straight up misrepresentation and it's why no one will take you seriously. In your example it's like drawing a flower and calling it a tree. Very disingenuous

>>101729428
>W-why would I ave to prove it!
You don't. You can just accept that you were wrong, which seems to be implicitly what you're doing.

>>101729323
What's your angle here? If lolifags are pedophiles, how does that change anything?
It seems like your thought process just ends at "pedophile bad".

>>101725268
is it the full pic?

>>101729435
>>101729446
imagine malding over drawings in 2025

>>101729441
>acktchually it's ephebephilia
be sure to try that one IRL

>>101729441
>Dolores was pubescent
Lol. Make sure you get your facts straight next time, anon. In the movies she was, but not the novel the term originates from.
>Loli is. depiction of a pubescent girl!
Oh, is that why Saba's debut was filled with lolicons despite the depicted character being a prepubescent girl? Where are you going with those goalposts, anon?

>>101729478
>>101728700
GOTTEM

>lolis are not kids
>A drawing of a loli is not a depiction of a pre-pubescent child
>I'm not attracted to drawings of kids, thye just look like it, act like it, sound like it in hentai, but they're not kids
>ackchyually you could equate loli to ephebephilia
Jack of to whatever, but at least be honest about it. Everyone has a weird fetish and jacking off to lolis doesn't make you 100% a pedo, but there's a reason why this stuff is banned in a bunch of countries, let's be real. Doing some olympic tier mental gymnastics doesn't really help your case.

>>101729404
>pedobaiting are some of the easiest ways to be successful in vtubing
If that were even remotely true more of them would be doing it. You're talking out of your ass.
>>101729446
>y-you're implicitly admitting you're wrong!!
You are a walking talking confirmation bias.

>>101729478
>malding over drawings
that's what you do, I like my lolis

>>101729466
Anon is claiming he's not a pedo. I would have accepted "I am a pedo... and thats a good thing"

>>101729490
The girl in lolita is 12. That is pubescent. You can literally look it up.

>>101716767 (OP)
they won't watch her because she's a loli
I won't watch her because she's a j–ew
we're not the same

this thread lmao

>>101729566
based

>>101729506
>increasingly pornographic
literally worksafe but okay faggot
>>101729528
but anon I love loli ass

>>101729250
>>101729304
Notice how my post got no response, despite it being a direct and structurally valid refutation.

>>101729620
>Anon does not understand the term 'increasingly'
Anon. The notion implies that it starts of at a low point. Why are you like this? Did you get dropped on your head or something?

Pedos in denial are truly pathetic
Just accept what you are already and be happy

>>101729623
Is it? Alright, I can do that too!

Yawn.

>>101716767 (OP)
>seduces oji-sans
seriously?

i thought she was cute, but not enough to seduce, i'm probably not in the right mindset to be seduced atm, maybe later

>you're a pedo because ???
>wtf no
>your denial is proof that you are
People get mad when you attack them

>>101724122
>o songs, no kayfabe
within 11 hours after debut, her vod has had almost 2 million views

>>101729669
i wish it got more pornographic

>>101729684
So you do actually think women that masturbate to Yaoi are gay men? Cool, that's thoroughly deranged and I have no reason to continue engaging with a lunatic.

>>101729719
Yawn

>>101728797
there are so many distrusting people on the internet, while everyone here is so honest and sincere

>>101729732
I accept your concession.

>>101728708
artist?

>>101729707
Who are you talking to anon? The voices in your head?

My thing about the pedos is the persecution complex. It's pretty obvious why their fetish is contemptible to normal people, but on top of that the culture is off-putting with zero self-awareness, openly fantasizing about the need to "correct" (rape) children for "seducing" adults. Then they discuss the obvious distaste aimed at them as the work of a shadowy cabal that hates them for no reason.
The high overlap with rightoids obsessed with "groomers" is also funny, look in the mirror, bud.

>>101726745
reminds me of comfy (formally known as fuwa) but without glasses

>>101729749
akablk123

If I'm a pedophile then why do I have zero attraction to children, but I would bend Saba over and fuck her sideways for a week? Explain that schizos.

>>101721845
>Fans are getting older and their tastes are changing.
That's odd. I keep getting older but they stay the same age, as they say

I will now proceed to pleasure myself with this fish

>>101729742
Ah, so you mean to say that circles drawn on the surface of Jupiter create an impression of distilled reason? That's such an insane thing to suggest anon, why would you do that? I guess I win!

>>101729752
A kafkatrap I see often. Replace pedo with racist/antisemite/etc and it still works

>>101729822
And spiders live on the moon.

>>101729719
Women who read yaoi are *attracted to* gay men. Your analogy is incoherent.

>>101727905
>Nobody in their right mind would argue McDonalds is good food because it's the most popular fast food.
NTA but the popularity of entertainment products hinge solely on the quality of entertainment provided, so popularity would generally be proportionate to quality in that case. McDonalds' popularity isn't predicated solely on the quality of its food, but on a variety of different factors.

>>101729843
Don't spoil it you baboon, it was great watching him come up with increasingly irrational bullshit.

>>101729822
>people who use the term kafkatrap are pedophiles
No surprise here.

>>101727625
>create a demand
>limit supply
>raise profits

based, saba knows how to work the market
she's a genius

>>101729864
And people who use the term pick me are women or trannies

i wanna hear more about kiwinigger seathing

>>101729574
>essay in picrel
Holy fucking shit go back faggot

>>101728810
drawings of murder and rape still depict murder and rape.
yet no one was harmed in the making of them

>>101729857
>NTA but the popularity of entertainment products hinge solely on the quality of entertainment provided
What are you basing this statement on?
>McDonalds' popularity isn't predicated solely on the quality of its food, but on a variety of different factors.
And what are those factors, anon? Is marketing perhaps one of them? Is the appearance of popularity perhaps one of them? Are all these things unrelated to quality, perhaps?

>>101729890
Oh look everyone! Captain Obvious has appeared in the thread! Hey fella!

>>101729528
some anon showed me the light in regards to those tails...they're buttplugs

T_T

>>101729780
You know, you just showed me a goldmine. Thanks Anon, have a blessed day.

>>101729890
Whether these drawings harm children by its creation is a topic different from the one discussed (whether you're a pedophile for jerking off to them)

>>101729857
Except "quality" is a huge variable. A serious engaging TV show is of better quality than something you half watch while doing the dishes, yet the latter will get more views.

>>101729909
i desperately want him to draw my characters but he stopped doing commission works

>>101729761
>"idk man I think Marcuse wanting to fuck prepubescent boys was messed up"
>"and yet you think sixteen year olds can get MARRIED tho? How old was the Virgin Mary when God groyped her by the cunny!?!? CHECKMATE hypocrite!"
Why are you like this

>>101728732
The zoomers who think anime = porn are definitely the normalfags here

>>101729574
I have depicted my adversary as a morbidly obese man

>>101729938
He'll come back, have faith mister!

>>101729574
cry kiwinigger

>>101729891
>What are you basing this statement on?
If you ask anyone why they consume a certain entertainment product, they'll say because they think its good. If you ask anybody why they consume McDonalds, some might say its good, others might say because its convenient/cheap/predictable/etc. This is because you can eat food for reasons other than to enjoy them, but nobody will consume entertainment that they don't enjoy.

>>101728732
you'll find a normie having a meltdown right here >>101728732

>>101729904
i'm not a captain yey, i still haven't made it to lieutenant.

>>101729922
indeed, i missed the second part.
but being a faggot in secret or publicly is two different things.

a guy that jerks off to loli may be a pedo, but there's no victims, so there's no crime.
just like a fag jerking off to yaoi is a faggot, though he keeps it to himself.

sure, they should be shunned if they make it known publicly by acting out their faggotry or pedophilia, but if they dont?
then all you have is a witchhunt for the sake of bloodletting, that's neither justice nor righteous, its actually evil in and of itself.

>love covers a multitude of sins
so what does hate do? it seeks to expose faults in others, satan is called the accuser for a reason, it isn't because he tries to save lives, but kill

that's why i'm of the opinion that so long as the degenerates keep their shit in the dark, to let them be, but when they explicitly expose themselves (actually rape little kids, or act like fags, whores, thieves, liars, drunkards, etc) publicly, then they should be persecuted.

dont seek out fault, just learn to recognize it when it reveals itself (like the fag pride parade)