Thread 101726824

Am I the only one who doesn't like how her model constantly shakes in 10 places when she slightly turns her head? Also her eyes open very frequently like she's surprised or something, maybe tracking needs more calibration?
I mean it's not a bad model but it could benefit from less distractions.

>>101726824 (OP)
She isn't used to a good expressive rig it takes a while to get used to after using holo dogshit for years

It looks bad.

Only the shocked eyes thing, everything else you're just brainwashed by cardboard holos

>>101726824 (OP)
The shocked expression thing you mentioned is a cillia's (her 2D rigger) thing. Mint's model also has a similar thing.
It requires lots of facial expression control because it's so sensible to any form of alteration of facial expression that it ends up getting emotions that were accidentally conveyed in a fraction of seconds.
Personally I love the rigging, her model/design definitely need more work though.

After how outdated the Gura model/rigging was I think the new model is a breath of fresh air. I think she was a bit overexpressive today due to it being debut and wanting to show everything off, but if she continues changing expressions every 10 seconds out of nowhere a couple weeks from now then I will agree it is a little over the top.

how many threads jfc
there's like 3 already discussing her model

Betrays all her holofans, and comes back with the same gimmick. I don't know how to feel about this

>>101727234
Just goes to show you how big she is.

the rigging is always fucked up at the start. they can tweak it.

No, you brand loyalists have all been pretty vocal about how bothered you are by the lack of rigidity.

>>101726824 (OP)
>>101726893
>>101727105
It's not a good rig thing or a Cilia thing. It's a retardedly bad animation thing. People that don't understand motion end up doing this and thinking it's hot shit, see early cartoons where they would constantly be moving without purpose or direction. Movement for movement's sake is never good quality, and always the hallmark of amateurs. Why do you see it a lot in vtuber rigs? Because they're shit amateurs that don't understand the basics.
In the future people will look back on this era and remark on how the fad was to make models look like they're constantly having a seizure.

>>101726824 (OP)
I believe the eyes thing is a known issue when wearing glasses.

>>101726824 (OP)
>moves slightly
>every little thing on the body starts flying
Ah yes, the usual thing.

>>101726824 (OP)
>worse shondo
lmao what a waste

>>101727334
>What's Gura Gwar doing in the impact zone!?

>>101726824 (OP)
I like her bounciness, but her pupils changing size all the time needs to be tuned down.

>>101727895
Nitpicking, but that isn't how in-betweens work. They're meant to go in between the keys.
Not only does the animation doesn't go between the keys, completely making up new frames that never could have been inferred, I don't believe it even has one of the key frames at least, as the cap can only ever be horizontal at 2 points, and I can't check if it even becomes flat.

>>101726824 (OP)
holofags aren't used to anything that isn't their garbage ass stiff models

>>101727664
It's definitely a cillia thing.
For example ShyLily, whose rigging has a similar "bouncy" philosophy, doesn't do that near as much as Mint, Lime or Saba.

welcome to the world of indie tracking anon

LMAO

>>101727664
>It's a retardedly bad animation thing.
No, you just don't like it. Which is fine, but don't push it like it's an objectively bad thing.

>>101727664
>Movement for movement's sake is never good quality
Anon has never heard of idle animations.

>>101726824 (OP)
>chumbud shocked when mouth isn't a triangle that opens and closes

Japanese fans love her expressiveness.

>>101727664
>Movement for movement's sake is never good quality
It depends on so many factors. It ain't so cut and dry.

Cillia is one of the best riggers around. Anyone who speaks against her is a seething Holonig who cant admit Hololive has emarrassingly garbage rigging.

corpofags really love their garbage stiff af rigging

>>101726824 (OP)
Nah, the rigging is great.
The design, however, could've been better.

>>101726893
fpbp

>>101726824 (OP)
that's just what every indie on twitch is like

>>101727105
>ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEE
Literalyl kfp2.0.

>>101726824 (OP)
I still don't understand why Vtubers still use 2D models when 3D models do everything better.

>>101729949
More expensive and for it to be good only phone camera is not enough.

>>101726824 (OP)
This is what's bad about indie rigs. Too much shaking. It's like they have epilepsy.

>>101727366
she's only 35cm

>>101727664
>early cartoons where they would constantly be moving without purpose or direction
I like those

The absolute cope that Holobronies have to peddle after being buckbroken for years by shit-tier in-house rigging is getting more sad than it was initially hilarious.

>>101730747
even basically founder a-chan noped the fuck out of their garbage rigging

>>101727895
You keep posting this as if 8-bit pixel animation and vtubers models are the same thing,

>>101727895
You are braindead.

>>101726893
>Not used
>Can do shit like this
Nah, she's always been a genius at what she does.

>>101730655
This same guy was seething in /same/ about how Japanese animation cutting corners is actually intrinsically superior to western animation actually having budgets for fluid motion.

>>101726824 (OP)
seems like you aren't alone on this opinion, but personally I didn't find all the movement to be that obnoxious

>>101727664
In the future people will look back on this post, laugh, and go back to watching vtubers having their seizures

>>101726824 (OP)
Has it occurred that maybe her "other" model just wasn't capable of tracking how expressive she ACTUALLY was?

>>101726824 (OP)
Doesn't matter how smooth this model animates, but the constant switching to and from shocked face ruins it. Maybe it's a tracking problem.

>>101729949
Uncanny, expensive and not anime

>>101727194
No, this is just generic indie face rigging where the eyes bulge out after the slightest movement and the model looks like it's made of gelatin. It's the same with shylily and limealicious.

>>101729949
Filian had to spend 30k for it to look good and if you're just sitting on your ass playing vidya it's not worth it

>>101729949
>why spend $2K when you could spend $20K?

>>101726824 (OP)
It's over animated and the design is souless

>>101732491
you're over-animated

>>101726824 (OP)
It's not the model it is the eye rigging you don't like. Don't get it confused.

>>101726824 (OP)
skincolor hair looks like shit but nothing an outfit cant fix

she looks ready for a facial cumshot imo

>>101732143
In Sabos defense in another life she did say she wanted to be a slime girl

>>101728977
Idle animations exist because people can't physically stay still and, in case of more involved activities, it serves an actual purpose, but excess wasted movement is still bad there (e.g. boxing).
There is a difference between a character bouncing around a little and their whole being turning into liquid from slightest movement. Pic rel is a good example (even if the original animation involved this much bounce, why is his hat going into the stratosphere?)
This is a common indie vtuber problem. Doki's model suffers from it too whenever she's turning around. You can also see something similar in some HoloGra episodes (and a lot of EN animations) and I fucking hate it (easiest way to spot it is when a character's head dips before making another movement for no reason).

It's consistently funny how holofags have been conditioned to think rigging should look like paper bag puppets

That fact that so many of the people complaining about the rigging are focussing on the eyes being too expressive envinces how autistic they are.

>>101733097
>>101730800

>>101733097
Exactly anon, this is why I liked Dooby's model and rigging so much, it's simple and clean

>>101727895
KEK right is literally every western idnie whore. Looks exactly like the shitty and overdone tweening in gacha games.

>>101726824 (OP)
Eyes too big

Another major problem I don't see brought up enough is hair physics. Not how much it moves, but how slowly it does that. It's weirdly floaty on a lot of models even though real hair takes very little time to start settling down. It ends up looking like a jellyfish and reminds me of poorly configured SMP hair in Skyrim mods.
As a side note, I forgot how amazing hair physics where in Alice: Madness Returns.
>>101730800
Same principles apply to conveying motion. The only real difference is that the former does not move outside of existing animations, but the latter's capacity to move is still in the hands of the rigger.
There is a happy medium that exists between Nijisanji cardboards and indie jello.
>>101733243
While I can immediately say that her design is superior to Saba's (Saba looks like another 2view small corpotuber I've seen pop up in recs thanks to how common cat and fox ears are), I've never seen either one in motion and can't comment on that.

Who?

>>101726824 (OP)
Everything looks weird once you have Stockholm syndrome for shitty rigs

>>101726824 (OP)
>needs more calibration

>>101726824 (OP)
If you've constantly looked at the world with corporate dirt in your eyes, when you finally see clearly I can imagine it would be blinding.

>>101734229
based
I'd love to see Saba play Mass Effect

I was watching the stream earlier in double speed lol too ADHD even for me

Knowing how old her holo model was, it's understandable she's not used to actual good modeling, though I wish some more VTubers would go for dark hair; all these colorful hairs over all these 7 years are getting boring now.

>>101726824 (OP)
no i dont like it either, looks too cartoony

>>101727664
early cartoons were great though