Ermm, sisters, I thought she was supposed to fuck off and ghost her fans now that she got paid? What gives, why is she streaming???

it's another opportunity to make money by celebrating 1 million subs

>chumbuds in charge of basic pattern recognition

>>101824850 (OP)
>why is she streaming???
I ... I don't know. I have no explanation for this behaviour. We're entering uncharted territory.

If Saba did somehow get her streaming mojo back then good for her. Scratch that really, it's great news for her fans considering the droughts she put them through. But it's best not to get too invested because who knows if this is just temporary or not, best case scenario she'll be like this for at least 6 months, realistically throughout the summer season or 2 months tops, and worst case scenario she relapses 1 month in once she remembers she's going to be rewarded for nothing.

What if Saba just likes streaming?

>>101825257
>uncharted territory
>not uncharted waters
ONE
JOB

the dramaposting has been stupid.
>Saba didn't shit on Holo
>Saba is actually enjoying things now that there's no pressure on her being the "face of the company"
Why are idiots trying to make this Holo vs ExHolo when Gura actually never wants her fans to shit on her former and current colleagues?

TWO MORE WEEKS!

>>101824850 (OP)
>couldn't even retain a quarter of her fanbase
oof, what went wrong?

>>101825301
That's ridiculous. Everyone knows Gura HATED streaming and it was that evil corpo C*ver who FORCED her to stream.

>>101825362
>Why are idiots trying to make this Holo vs ExHolo when Gura actually never wants her fans to shit on her former and current colleagues?
Because the drama posters aren't Gura fans OR Holo fans, but antis of both who just want to stir up shit because they have no life.

>>101824850 (OP)
Wait, I thought she was 800k just a yesterday or did I skip another whole day again!?

>>101825392
>Gura took 6 weeks to hit 1M
>Saba took just 65 hours

>>101825442
That's how fast the growth is, yeah.

Maybe she likes streaming and not having people tell her what she can or cannot stream or having to go do some dog water sponsor shit instead?

>>101825480
I ws asking cuz I have been skipping whole days sleep kinda like Choco lately due to a head injury.

>>101824850 (OP)
this is a surpwuizing turn of events, pwincess

>>101825653
Don't you love this trash gacha game a talent is playing because they want to collect a che-I mean because they really, really like the game after trying it out?

>>101824850 (OP)
fucking hate that this is how i find out she put up a frame

>>101824850 (OP)
>>101825005

1 million merch shill ztream

>>101825745
tbf gigi really does love gutter trash gacha games

>>101824850 (OP)
Is she going to dedicate 1/3rd of her stream to shill merch again?

>>101825990
No need, it all sold out already. :3

>>101826069
>xhe doesn't know

>>101826119
>xhe
The pronoun brigade freaks are the antis crying about Saba on twitter, notice how all of her haters are the ones with fag flags in their profiles and shit.

>>101824850 (OP)
I can sum up the entire stream for you because I can see the future
>Teehee I'm soo nervous guys!
>Obligatory pedo pandering
>Don't forget to buy my merch!
>End

>/k/
SOLD

>>101824850 (OP)
[DILATED SCREECHING]

>>101825778
>she put up a frame
??

>>101826225
Why are the trannies projecting now, when it's been proven that trannoids hate Gura/Saba?

>>101824850 (OP)
I bet the other indies are fucking heated

>>101824850 (OP)
>streams a couple times in the first week
>SEE SHE'S GOING TO BE MORE ACTIVE NOW
you're falling for it again, cunnycrew...

>>101827351
They have a retardedly short attention span so seeing her keep to something for that long is seen as an accomplishment

how many gold play buttons does one person even need?

>>101824850 (OP)
If she keeps schedule of at least 3 streaming days a week in a month then I'll believe she will actually stream and not ditch for 6 months.

>>101827351
She already streamed more than before, this is anhuge improvement and she will keep popping up even more soon.

>>101824850 (OP)
>Redebuts
>Suddenly streams
>Having fun
Hmm..it's almost like Cover and Hololive.....
Nah.....

>>101824850 (OP)
I think she always wanted to stream but didn't want to make cover money. But not streaming also cause tension with her audience. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Man.. What the fuck happened to this board in the past year..it's literally all just "She's a grifter, she's lazy, or she doesn't stream". Shit is boring af.

The three gold plaque tummy

she's a grifter. she's streaming heavily so she can push the omocat merch and rake in member fees. got to strike while the iron is hot
she can go back to being a lazy cunt that never streams when all the simps have locked their memberships in

>>101827605
it's reverse psychology anon they know saba reads the board .. and are encourging her to stream by being mean to her ...

>>101827431
at least she actually gets to keep this one

>>101827715
Lol, nice try

>all of gura's subs are dead!
seems like quite a few of them were active.

>>101827605
She barely streamed the last two years that she was at Cover. She was also starting to lose interest in content creation before she even got into Hololive, especially with that discord server she had. Cover has its failings for sure, but the lack of interest in streams/content just seems to be the kind of person Saba it's still worth being skeptical in the short term.

>>101824850 (OP)
>1million in less than 3 days
speedrunner saba
>first holo to reach 1mil, 2mil, 3mil and 4mil
>first vtuber to reach 4mil subs in youtube
>all she ever wanted was to shitpost in peace
poor lass

>>101827930
And does that warrant the entire board to parrot the exact same shit non-stop?

>>101824850 (OP)
idk how you see this renewed love of streaming and not realize hololive is a black company that killed her will to stream,

Holocucks having a melty love to see it

>>101824850 (OP)
The amount of cope catalog has and the fiction it can pull will never not surprise me anon.

>>101828045
This board has been repost day for years anon. Other people being skeptical is just par for the course because of Gura's track record for the past 2 years, arguably longer. It might not get any better either if she ends up in the same position and ends up not streaming due to anxiety attacks due to being the top face of vtubing again.

>rowboat
coded for baby stroller right?

She realized that she didn't want to put in the work to be an idol. She wants to be a streamer. It’s as simple as that.

>>101827971
>all she ever wanted was to shitpost in peace
one of us

>>101828384
I love Gura/Saba(I've been watching her religiously for years when she was live), but the entire board is just her bait threads with a few random attempts sprinkled in between.. It's just getting boring, man.

>>101824850 (OP)
Wow streaming for that easy 1 mil celebration money, awesome

>>101825448
>join a corporation with 1+ millions watcher alread
>took 6 week to hit 1Millions (ghost) sub on youtube
>go indie
>alone in your sandbox for 65h to get 1 million sub

It's gotta be exhausting being a Holochad. You have to be ready to hate someone you said was the greatest vtuber to ever live at the drop of a hat. Oh no, she was always a lazy whore, I didn't spend 5 years using her to own the homos and nijiniggers!

>>101829241
ohnonono sister

>>101827554
Every time.

>>101829241
your a pedophile, think about that.

Fan name time?
Kaniki bros?

>>101828045
Yes. Now kys.

>>101829566

>>101824850 (OP)
>1 million already
wtf

So what was all that talk about Gura's 4 million subs all being inactive and it just being the COVID buff?
Where are you haters now? Reveal yourselves so I can drink your tears.

>>101827605
This is still in line with her usual cycle, catalog browns are just trying to set up grudgeposts on both sides so they have something for bvtm no matter which way things turn out

Crubs....

>>101824850 (OP)
>being cocky after she streamed a measly 3 times
she really did mindbreak you over the years holy fuck

>>101825448
This isn't numbers where they can make their own reality for the purpose of milestones. It literally took her six weeks as Saba.

>>101827605
you are free to leave for other boards, no one retains you.

>>101827506
Considering her most infamous thing was returning to streaming actively for an event like Advent's debut and then disappearing, this is completely within what everyone expected so far. If she's still just as active in a month, even her biggest supporters will be shocked.

>>101829800
>be shrimps (simps)
>now crubs (scrubs)
Checks out

vote for what gura wants

>she likes crubbs
Kaniki bros is it over?

>>101824850 (OP)
Bruh, if this chick graduate someday I will quit /vt/ for a week, so annoying

>>101829241
Nobody on this board said positive things about Gura for longer than you've been aware of vtubers.

Sabateursisters...
The poll was rigged against us....

>>101829721
>see guys, she only has 3.7 million dead subs!
You come off as incredibly pathetic.

CRUBS OR KANIKI?!
I CAN'T DECIDE!

>Kaniki actually winning
Holy shit

>Crubs has no meaning
Almost won me over with that

KANIKI BROS!

STOP THE COUNT

>>101830231
UOOOH CUNNYKEY CHADS WON

>>101830114
>coping this hard
M8 the sub growth isn't even slowing down

>holofags still coping and seething
You lost. Black company etc

>>101827971
Exactly why she's the GOAT. Unfortunate but reality

Fuck it. Just go indie.

>>101824850 (OP)
Its still the honeymoon period, retard.

So, the entire dealbreaker with Holo was that she couldn't show off her midriff?

>>101830297
It would be going much faster if there weren't so many dead subs. Do you even understand what a subscriber is?

How much VTuber whores with fat tits must be seething that this lil Cute fish keeps winning

>>101830815
>no you don't understand it's all because of her past life
>no you don't understand it's the honeymoon period

>already doesn't want to commit to a schedule
L M O A

>>101831696
If she doesn't keep up with her constant streaming in say... a week or 2, then its defo a honeymoon period she's been giving us.

>>101831649
It's appealing to horny degenerates on both ends of the spectrum

>Drinking karaoke

Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

Dear Gigi, Shiori, and Bae,

Can't you see how successful and happy Gura is as an indie? I'm sure you'd get as many subs just as quickly and they'd all buy merch. Please consider graduating to further your careers.

>>101832080
Lmao, yup they should do just that ASAP

>>101832080
This but Kronii. I want SNOT back.

This thread will age phenomenal.

>>101832080
Fuck Off Ligger

>>101824850 (OP)
I never said she will stop streaming for a year after debut. I said that she will stream, but she will probably get 500k ccv on debut, going down to 200k a week after, 100k after a month, 50k after half a year, 10k after a year, 500 ccv in 5 years.
Keep me informed on how it goes and how far off I am.

>>101825421
If the post is positive for Saba it's liggers
If the post is negative for Saba it's phasefags

>>101824850 (OP)
They're taking turns with the other lazy indie-avengers clique, she started being active when nimi pulled another cat hort and fucked off for a week (again)
I'm happy for you kanis but let's see how active she is two months from now

>>101827351
They never fucking learn. Can't wait to hear the cope.

>>101825653
Everyone else in the company seems to manage.
Implying the sponsor shit is mandatory, kek
She was asking for it, she was even auditioning for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEEFWACJXo

>>101824850 (OP)
meanwhile

>>101832918
Pebblephiles get fucked. Your oshi will never compare to the GOAT.

I feel sad for holojeets. Instead of enjoying their girls they constantly seethe at more successful people.

>>101826400
So far they are playing nice. Wait until they realize Saba is mostly gonna collab with the ex-holos and ignore them completely, we will see them turn against her.

>>101832918
Oh no no no no , Pebblekeks what happened ???

>>101832765
Why would phasefags be shitposting against Saba?
I'm a Pippa enjoyer and I'm trying to figure out how to get Saba to cover Pippa the Ripper in a move of supreme irony

>>101830030
her model and accounts are indie, if she quits it'll either be permanent (no more online presence) or she'll have joined a corpo *new identity* (which i doubt)

either way, enjoy the show while its enjoyable, life has a way of throwing shit on things we enjoy.
>captcha
>0n0s
>oh noes

>>101832980
Not today king

>>101832918
B-b-but they're just DEAD SUBS!!!!!1
It's just the COVID buff!!!!!!!

>>101827715
Wrong company, tourist.

>>101825362
>when Gura actually never wants her fans to shit on her former and current colleagues?
Why should I give a shit about what Gura wants?

>>101832977
>>101833006
You know this is why people hate you guys and are rooting for Saba to fail right?

>>101832918
Every single person in this thread understands. If Koseki Bijou debuted in HoloMyth she would probably have 10 million subs by now, and Senzawa would be a random male collabing thot that people use to shitpost about the indie pill.

>>101833054
Still missing almost 4 million subs and not getting any new fans. If you think she's also getting new fans then she's missing even more old subs.

>>101833010
She didn't join their corpo.

>>101833184
>>101833128
Cope harder. Your tears are delicious

>>101833128
>>101833184
It's so tiresome

>muh numbers
twitch allows viewbotting and youtube doesnt care
source: /#/ shenanigans

>>101833115
Because it's falseflaggers, on both sides.
It's been happening since Ame left, dramafags create thread after thread of holo vs ex-holo.
It's all just tiring at this point.

>>101833259
>>101833325
What cope though? It's basic arithmetic and common sense. Nobody is shifting goalposts. If you're claiming that nearly 5m subs are active and support her new account then they would.
It doesn't take time for the counter to update guys. It means that the majority of her old subs don't give a shit about her.
Arithmetic, counting, 1, 2, 3, number lines, 1+1 = 2, 1 is 4 less than 5. Come on.

>>101833475
Saba has 1mil
Koseki doesn't
Seethe and cope kek

>>101826181
>pedo pandering
thanks, basedajak trannies from twits. >>>/lgbt/fag

>>101833475
Based delulu retard.
No new account immediately regains all their subs. Especially not one that has to regain close to 5 million. Dokibird didn't get even half of Selen's subs in her first week but now she's approaching 200k more.

>>101832918
wtf I thought you guys said she’s the new queen?

>>101833115
>Talk shit about Saba
>People rightfully tell you to go fuck yourself
Stop playing the victim. You shitposters are the instigators.

>>101833560
>>101833625
Honestly, you guys are projecting and coping hard. If you had initially said this
>I think at least 20% of her subs are actually active, even if most are dead, so she's going to get at least a million subs ezpz
That would have been different to what you guys actually claimed, and still unironically claim. Which is that you think the subs weren't dead and somehow she has both 1 million subs on her new account and almost 5 million that support her in a sort of quantum state, despite that quantum shit isn't even in her lore.
You dumbasses can't take the small win, 20% is still good. The only reason anyone has argued with you is because you implied and continue to imply she lost nothing. Which is clearly, observably, flat out wrong. The subs do not trickle back in, there is nobody that is holding off a resub for 5 years to make the count go up slowly. Stop being retarded.

>>101833115
You mean the fags wishing gura the worst possible fate since the day she streamed the same time as biboo? No I don't feel any sympathy for people telling them to get fucked. You've been wishing for her failure since before saba was a thought in gura's head.

Don't worry, antis, she said one of her goals was to do idol stuff, so that translates to not streaming in order to work on """projects""".

>>101833821
>a-as long as even one of Gura's subs is dead I'm still right!!!!
Where's Biboo's million?

>>101833821
>holding off a resub for 5 years to make the count go up slowly
Unironically this will be their cope end state.

>>101833926
What does Biboo have to do with any of that and your retarded obviously wrong cope and lack of basic arithmetic skills?
Answe: nothing. It's deflection because you're coping lil bro, dry your years now. Biboo isn't controlling who can sub to who.

>>101832765
>If the post is negative for Saba it's phasefags
Dude wtf, I'm a fan of Saba!

>>101827423
Don't you fag cry daily about her not streaming? How can the chumbuds have "retardedly short attention span". Shouldn't they have all fucked off the first time she took a long break.

>>101834012
>dry your years
Will do, lmao. Have fun watching Saba keep going to the moon while you cope because a couple chumbuds died of old age :^)

>>101824850 (OP)
It's only been 3 days, why are you celebrating already?

>>101833821
>“Honestly, you guys are projecting and coping hard.”
>writes an essay

>>101833926
>a-as long as even one of Gura's subs is dead
Well, it's more like 3710000, not 1, and only if she has no new fans, but details details amirite?

>>101833821
Cope.
Now go on, write another seething wall of text

>>101834074
It's a couple of sentence. I notice none of you are actually denying the truth, you keep trying to talk about other stuff.

>>101834047
I know you guys just want to use her to give your corpo more legitimacy. She already went that route with mori by the way she doesn't need mari's five guys too

Drunkfags getting BTFO'd once more , Kani Bros we simply cannot stop winning

>>101834121
>saba only has more active subs then all of en combined
She's owned.

>>101834132
>wall of text
Why are zoomers so retarded? You can't now, now you also can't read?
What you're doing is coping, shitposting and changing the subject.
It's weak, you're weak. You have no faith in Sameko Saba.

>>101834121
I already gave you an example of a big corpo who grew back into her sub count and exceeded it. Your IQ is room temperature if you genuinely think every chumbud dropped their entire life to seek out Saba and that she peaked in 3 days.
Now watch her grow and wait another year or 2 for Biboo to get to 1 million

>>101834121
Holy fucking cope , Saba achieved in 3 days , your cringe meme brainrotting whore did not , end of the story , What happened to your shitbait of biboo been the real Gura killer ?

>>101834193
you do know that rules are meant to be broken right?
>oh no, sabachan can't drink, i have to take care of the lighthouse, uwu
>oh, saba has been alone for too long, the sea has been waging war on me this stormy season
>ohP! a bottle of wine washed up on shore, it'd be a waste to throw it away....teee hee, kaniki, lets celebrate having 2 million subs.
and boom, wineless sabalore has now become sabaholic, kaniki

>>101834234
But that's a shit example and doesn't prove your point. People subbed to Doki because of the drama, everybody knows that. You say I have room level IQ, your whole argument is to change the subject and reject the existence of arithmatic. You and others cry that it's too complicated, too much text, too many numbers.
Pathetic.

>>101834299
Retard

>>101834047
true, i like ms. _en and ms. saba.
fish girls are ok in my book

>>101834326
yes, now do me.

>>101834282
But you said 1, when it was 3710000. The other stuff is you having a mental illness.

>>101834315
>your whole argument is to change the subject and reject the existence of arithmatic
>ignores that literally no channel in the history of youtube has ever ported 5 million subs from one place to another in 3 days
No. You just think you're very clever because you managed to do 4.7-1, meanwhile the rest of us don't have aspergers so we realize that doesn't directly apply to reality.

I wish I liked the eyes and mouth animations. They don't ruin it but still significantly lower my enjoyment of an otherwise great model. Still will be watching.

>>101833625
You clowns need to pick a lane. You have only two options. Either Saba is not going to get a single new fan and every sub she gets is someone who was subbed to Gura and she'll get all of them back within the next few months. Or most of her subs were dead subs. Every single youtube channel has a ton of dead subs by the way, that's not up for debate. The difference is the ratio, some people have 99% dead subs and some people maybe 20%. Right now Gura's got more dead subs than most people have total subs and her ratio is looking pretty awful.

>>101834446
>>ignores that literally no channel in the history of youtube has ever ported 5 million subs from one place to another in 3 days
There is no way that's true, setting aside that it was 6 weeks. What you meant to say was 100% of their subs transferred. Which no one has done ever, obviously and nobody thinks that's possible except for you who believes it will just take a few more months.

>>101834446
But you are factually wrong and changing the subject. All of you are. That's all there is to it.
Trying to argue against stuipid strawmen doesn't make you look cool, and you're only turning yourself into a retard. And aspergers is not the ability to do basic arithmetic, don't undermine yourself like this. If you can do the arithmetic then just admit it, don't spend hours of your day crying about stuff you know isn't true, thread after thread, day after day.
That's not fan behavior, that's loser behavior.

>>101827715
c'mon, son.

Yeah but Enna does unironically want to fuck Vanta. I don't think that's even hidden.

>>101824850 (OP)
thanks for the screenshot, see you in a few months.

>>101824850 (OP)
pebblecucks absolutely seething

>>101834470
Tbh she probably does have a good 2 million dead subs or so but the fact of the matter is that she's already mogging almost all of HoloEN except what remains of Myth who also have dead subs galore. And she's easily on track to hit 2.5-3 million at least by years end.
Those would then be all "alive" subs and she'd even be mogging Myth.
I starting this shitflinging contest specifically to laugh at the retards who spent the last 2 years squealing all over /vt/ that almost all of Gura's subs were dead and that she's talentless and only got them because of COVID buff. Her hitting a million in 3 days just shows how much she dominates Vtubing and how she'll live rent free in the heads of spergs who will keep looking for the next Senzawa/Gura/Saba killer only to be disappointed.
BTW I'm willing to bet right now that if Saba tries to pull off big projects as an indie she will likely break 5 million in a few years. This is of course assuming she won't disappear and live off welfare memberships for the rest of her life.

Are you all so retarded that you don't realize you will convince more people if you say she will exceed her past sub count over time?
Instead of lobotomizing yourself on full display and pretending you can't read or count.

>>101834806
>BTW I'm willing to bet right now that if Saba tries to pull off big projects as an indie she will likely break 5 million in a few years
Yeeeah I'm not expecting that to happen. It's not like Selen where she was the hardest worker in the entire branch trying to run everything behind the scenes.

Thenagain, who knows? Maybe she'll get adopted by some producer or team that'll run her business for her. In that case, anything's possible.

>>101833115
The pebblephiles started this. Trying to tear down the greatest vtuber of all time because she wouldn't collab with their brainrot oshi.

They get what they fucking deserve.

>>101834806
>she probably does have a good 2 million dead subs or so but the fact of the matter is that she's already mogging almost all of HoloEN
Maybe say that instead of the retarded shit, yeah?

>>101834574
Now pull out your calculator and see how many times you have to do 1+1 before it gets you laid. Maybe when the sex fails to materialize you'll realize that basic arithmetic doesn't directly describe the mathematical function subscriber growth tends to follow.

This is what you guys said about Dooby and look at her now. Wait at least a few weeks until the honeymoon phase is over. Best case scenario is she keeps streaming consistently.

>>101834966
No. You're too much of a faggot to deserve serious replies.

>>101834864
chumbuds were never known for their intelligence

>>101834806
You are still trying to have it both ways through your tears. Myth's subs are a lot of dead subs, quite disproportionately dead subs that have skewed the perception of what is reasonable for an EN and led to a lot of later members looking like failures when we all know there are Myth members less popular than members from later gens. Gura is part of that. But you can't accept that, even though her subs would still be relatively impressive. The problem for you is Hololive has another Gura in it and literally nobody thinks she's impressive after the initial hype where she gained the subs, not even you. They think her entire branch could disappear today and no one would notice.

>>101834806
It's not retarded to understand how COVID affected ALL of media, not just vtuber, and not just Gura. It's retarded to ignore it or pretend it was just pure talent.
She obviously has about 3.5-4m dead subs. Most of Saba's subs are old subs that were active, about 30% are new from ex-corpo fomo/drama/clout chasing. Her sub count will go up, with a small portion being old subs, and most new subs split between fomo and wanting to get in on the popular thing (big number = good), and people that discover her and actually like her.
Her sub count is going to go up to about 2.4m by the end of the year, most of them are going to be new, in 10 years she will still have less than 3m subs. If you don't think so then you need to make a convincing argument. Talking about Dokibird is not a convincing argument. That's because nobody believes Dokibird is talented or got those subs because she's just so funny and good at singing.

>>101835260
>That's because nobody believes Dokibird is talented or got those subs because she's just so funny and good at singing.
Dayum burned in the crossfire, but not wrong.

>>101834048
>How can the chumbuds have "retardedly short attention span". Shouldn't they have all fucked off the first time she took a long break.
They don't fuck off specifically because they have short attention span
They're basically perputally stuck in a cycle of:
>She comes back
>They get hyped
>She dots in a couple streams over a 2-3 week period
>"She's back for this time guys, we're in a new golden age!!"
>She eventually trails off
>Goes 2-3 months without saying anything
>Randomly shows up again after a while
>Cycle repeats
Chumbuds/Sabamaniacs or whatever they're called are basically the vtuber equivalent of Charlie Brown thinking Lucy will let him kick the football this time, they don't learn

>>101835419
That was GURA behavior.
This is SABA.

>>101835260
>3.5-4 million dead subs
Given that 4 million plus the 1 million Saba has would be more subs than Gura has, no she doesn't have 4 million dead subs. Nor does she have 3.5 million dead because then you're assuming Saba will stop growing at 1.2m when she just added another 20k subs in half an hour.
Why can't you admit that Saba is genuinely huge?

>>101835260
Doki got her success cuz she's a female that's actually good at competitive vidya and speedrunning. Nobody ever said she's a good singer.

I'm glad she seems happier now and I hope she keeps it up :D

>>101835626
Do you see the part where I say most of her subs are old subs, but a significant percentage are new?
Hope that clears up your confusion.

>>101829861
You're correct that this isn't numbers. You're incorrect that it took her 6 weeks. All other sites are also reporting it as 3 days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1lp262l/saba_hit_1_million_subs_less_than_3_days_after/

>>101835690
Nobody thinks she's good at video games either. Come on, there were multiple threads laughing at her when tournaments came up. Nobody subbed to her for that, maybe 1, maybe you, but get real.

>>101835738
>cites reddit
It took her 6 weeks to get the subs, she hit the milestone 3 days after her first stream. Even someone as braindead as you should grasp the difference. She already had most of her subs -1 days before she streamed.

>>101835715
It was more than 3 sentences please don't expect that much from me.

>>101835626
>nobody who subs to Saba will ever be someone who wasn't subbed to Gura!
That's sad and you yourself admitting she will never be more than discount Gura. I don't think she'd appreciate that type of "defense".

>>101835626
>you're assuming Saba will stop growing at 1.2m when she just added another 20k subs in half an hour.
Anon that's still not even half of her old subscriber base of 4.7m.
And you're also just ignoring that part he said about rubber-neckers/dramafags/FOMO people/Sheep jumping on the hype-train who got remained she exist thanks to the hysterics that occurred when she announced she was graduating choosing to her sub to her

>>101835715
>Source: it came to me in a dream
>>101835837
>every single person who watched Gura has already resubbed to Saba
>because I just know!!!
When she breaks that 2 million you'll continue to cope that these are all entirely new vtuber fans who specifically never watched Gura.

>>101835260
>That's because nobody believes Dokibird is talented or got those subs because she's just so funny and good at singing.
I mean she got them for being an active community member for years, beloved by the community, who constantly reached out to new audiences and made friends there. This is on top of her charisma and humor.

But yeah, it's different from somebody who just sings and talks funny sometimes. Not sure what exactly your argument is here.

What you SHOULD have been saying to dismantle the argument is that Dokibird came back immediately with zero delay, as well as having the drama notify dragoons everywhere so quickly that they flocked back to her new account immediately, on top of tourists or people who just sorta knew about her but didn't actively watch her yet.
Meanwhile, Saba sort of just left the door open on a random twitter account and didn't advertise anything until months later. Word of mouth was all it really need to bring back a million subs.

>>101835738
Are you for real? Your source is reddit shitposters and not the account date and announcement?

Ever debuting HoloEN was a mistake.

>>101835876
....it's been 3 days bro

>>101835803
>>101835894
No matter what source I use you would complain so here's another one. Feel free to look up any other source and post it here.
https://www.siliconera.com/vtuber-sameko-saba-hits-1-million-youtube-subscribers-in-days/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=vtuber-sameko-saba-hits-1-million-youtube-subscribers-in-days
Sub milestone records have always been measured from debut, go look it up. This is because all corpo and many indie channels are created long before debut, including Holos and Nijis. You can look up posts about Salome's milestone being reached because they also measured that from her model debut and not account creation.

>>101835885
Well it can't be both dude. You can't have 100% old subs and also any % over 0% of new subs. If you want to say it's 99% then it means she has trouble appealing to a new audience.

>>101835927
>....it's been 3 days bro
Her channel existed for like a month and half now

>>101835967
The fuck dude, are you serious?

Do the rest of you chumcucks claim this retard as one of your own?

>>101835894
>debuting HoloEN was a mistake.

fine. i will go watch my Kano japanese tuber loli, which you all hate... you noes, the girl who sang the OP song for the SUGOI DEKAI boobs anime.

>>101825448
6 weeks from when the anonymous account called Saba made 1 singular tweet about her youtube channel. Do you think most of her subs would connect the dots?

>>101835967
>jenni lada
I don't even have to do any research. Of course.

>>101835967
>Feel free to look up any other source and post it here.
Sure, here is my source.
https://www.youtube.com/@SamekoSaba
I know you might not consider it as authoritative as Jenni Lada, but it's all I got.

>>101835977
You mean just like how you can't assume that 100% of chumbuds has already resubbed after just 3 days of activity? Right?

>>101836123
A month my guy, activity started before the debut stream. So she will hit 4m subs be next week, right?
Which is it? What is your claim so we can screenshot it and discuss it next week.

>>101836022
She had about 300k subs IIRC before her debut because all chumbuds had to go by for a month after she graduated was an update to Senzawa's account saying shes the biggest fan of Gura & [blank]

>>101836037
I'm not a chumbud, I'm just pointing out what has been common practice forever.
You don't get to make up new rules because you've been seething about Saba for the entire thread. I don't understand why so many people on this board are fucking mindbroken when it's just Gura getting her old subs back, who fucking cares? Do you think admitting she's popular is going to kill corpos or something? We all know she don't going to stream after like a month.
>>101836055
So who's your favorite authoritative writer I can look to instead?
>>101836120
So 3 days from debut to 1 million subs? Again, it lines up with how these milestones have always been reported.

>>101836123
this is what coping looks like, it has the distinct quality of always squirming and weaseling around the facts and shifting between mutually exclusive interpretations

>>101824850 (OP)
collab with males collab with males collab with males collab with males collab with males collab with males

>>101836263
*She's not going to stream

>>101826119
That she raped scalpers? Yeah she's based like that
>>101828482
>goals
>doing her own concert with live orchestra
Are you retards just allergic to watching streams

>>101836263
1 million after debut? So she has 1.75m subs now? No? Sounds like a problem for you.

>>101836263
brown hands wrote this

>>101828924
Holy fanfic

>>101836186
... what are you even trying to say anymore? That the 300k subs she had when Senzawa first mentioned the Saba account are the only active chumbuds then? Because according to you the 700k she gained in the 3 days since debut must all be new fans since all the old chumbuds would only resub day 1 and it isn't possible that more will trickle in?
You're still making the fundamentally bullshit assumption that all the old chumbuds have already resubbed and then building more unqualified assumptions on top of that.

>>101836338
>t. brownest poster ITT

>>101824985
She didn't sell anything in this stream.

>>101836318
Nope. Like I said, a lot of big corpos also create their accounts before their debuts and get a lot of predebut subs, but you don't see people arguing that nooooo it doesn't count because they got subs before their first stream. Again, I'm not sure why people are arguing about this so much. What is the angle? Gura isn't popular? Everyone here knows she's a normalfag magnet.

>>101831351
>Source: my ass
This is your brain on copium

>>101836384
Yea... alot of projection here jeet. Anyways, what's Saba's schedule looking like?

>>101836362
>what are you even trying to say anymore?
How is it confusing? I don't want to be mean, but do you have a learning disability? She announced her account over a month ago and got 750k subs before debut. You really don't understand what I'm saying and think it has something to do with Senzawa?
I honestly don't think anyone else here is that stupid lil bro. I hope you're okay.

>>101832499
Yes anon, the woman who consistently kept 20k-50k ccv while barely streaming is magically going to fall off now that she streams regularly again. You totally aren't delirious.

>>101836338
The funny thing is that I can't tell if you're a chumbud assblasted because I said Saba isn't going to stream or if you're a Saba anti who's mad because he really needs Saba's noooooombers to not count for some reason.
Just shows how dumb everyone involved in this argument is. Guys, you can not like someone and still admit they're successful.

>>101836388
2371 memberships and membership gifts in this stream alone

>>101832879
>Shit goes wrong behind the scenes at Holo due to JP corpo autism
>Didn't stream
>Starts to recover and get back into the swing of things
>More shit goes wrong, stops streaming again
>No more corpo autism
>[you are here]
Hmmm I wonder what each of her ghosting periods had in common... have you considered developing pattern recognition?

>>101836426
And? Link me to where anyone in this thread has posted that corpos getting pre-debut subs in the week leading up means they're so talented. In fact, it's the opposite, almost everyone referencing pre-debut subs does so to point out how little talent actually has to do with initial popularity. If you want to entertain that argument, then it goes against your main argument. You realize that, right?
Lets skip ahead, you don't realize it, and still want your cake and eat it too. It never changes.

>>101836489
Anon... 20k is less than 200k.

>>101833128
Are Pebblephiles really this delusional

>>101836489
>>101836621
Holoshit chumkeks really are mentally retarded.

>>101836576
Wait so the reason why she didn't stream is because corpo autism and not because anxiety like she said now? Why wasn't she just like Fauna then and say that she had problems with management then? Or is this another one of your chumbud cope pipedreams that deflects from what she said herself, or from what is probably the reason where she was just lazy and then saw how easy it is to make as an ex-holo and went away with the company tax when she doesn't stream anyways.

>>101836433
You act like subscribers are bots that just haven't gotten the new script yet. How many of Gura's 4.7 million subs do you think are aware she has graduated. We know most of them never watched her graduation (or even her announcement).

>>101836462
She didn't have 750k. You actually made me look it up and socialblade says 537K before the debut was announced.
So technically she gained 500k in 3 days since she's at ~1.03 mil now.
Since you're still squirming and weaseling around, I'm gonna need you to state your positions clearly.
Let's start with these 2 simple yes or no questions:
Do you believe that some active chumbuds have not yet subbed to Saba?
Do you believe a chumbud is a "dead sub" if they followed Gura until graduation but didn't sub to Saba yet?

>>101834470
>Admits all channels have dead subs
>Refuses to apply the standard evenly
>Growth isn't even slowing down
>"her ratio is l-l-looking awful amirite???"
Please please PLEASE keep digging yourself deeper

>>101836586
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
>>101835738 is my first post in the thread
I never said subs had anything to do with talent, in fact a lot of popular people are popular just because they're popular and that in turn brings more people who want to see what it's all about.
I just stepped in because I saw people who were really mad and trying to massage numbers because they dislike Saba. But the time to 1 million has always been measured from debut. That's all I'm saying.
So now I think I understand this entire thread is just people making a proxy argument about which streamer is worth more than which other streamer so all the people getting super mad makes sense, you're just projecting which streamer you like more. So I'm out, have fun arguing with chumbuds.

>>101836195
>She had about 300k subs IIRC before her debut
She had like 570k or 580k before she even did her first, part of why the whole "1 MILLION SUBS IN 3 DAYS!!11!!" gimmick feels hollow to me is because it requires ignoring that she was 2/3rds of the way there before even streaming on that account
>all chumbuds had to go by for a month after she graduated was an update to Senzawa's account saying shes the biggest fan of Gura & [blank]
Anon, she spent the last handful of streams she ever did in Holo HEAVILY implying that she was going reincarnate. And then when the Saba twitter account went public, she made sure to follow it on her Sen account
Like, basically anyone with a brain could put 2 and 2 together and figure out that, that's her new persona

>>101836733
>I was wrong but I'm also not wrong reeeee
It's so tiresome.

>>101836576
oh man that brings me back, yeah she did say that sunflower line. Got to love JP corpo autism. I still think your oshi is going to ghost you guys once she loses steam, she sounded tired as fuck at redebut. Hopefully she finds new motivation and delivers kino content again.

>>101834966
Except that's exactly what we did, retard. 2 million active subs is bigger than most other Holos' TOTAL subs, so the "dead subs" cope was always dead on arrival.

>>101836782
You were wrong too and the actual verifiable number was in between.
Now are you gonna keep dodging and squirming?

>>101833475
>What cope?
Yours.
>Nobody is shifting goalposts
Except for you and your fellow Daleets.

>>101836688
>Why wasn't she just like Fauna then and say that she had problems with management then?
bro, her graduation speech literally cited disagreements with management. You're trying so hard

>>101836738
What the fuck are you crying about now? What standards evenly, name me a channel you want me to criticize for having dead subs. You're the one getting assblasted at the amount of dead subs she had.

>>101836754
Normal people with a brain don't go out of their way to follow random RM accounts, anon...

>>101833115
>"people"
You are getting exactly what you deserve and will continue to get what you deserve.
>>101833923
You jest, but this will unironically be their angle in a few months' time. And I will mock them gleefully for it.

>>101836754
Nope, I responded to the post that responded to mine. If that was you then I am not confusing you for anyone else. New gens get pre-debut subs because BLUE DORITO and Saba got subs because EX BLUE DORITO. It's not hard to figure this out. It's not a new argument either, it's a well established analysis of what factors into early sub counts.

>>101836771
People willfully ignore that the entire Internet openly acknowledges Gura is Saba and tries to promote Saba. Which is very different from the world of the past where it was considered more of a taboo to do that. I saw some troll spamming about how Gura is now Saba on the comments of a JP Holo's clip channel.

>>101834012
>Trying this hard because he knows he lost the argument
Cope more, this time without tears streaming down your face

>>101836831
She didn't have a graduation speech. Your retarded. Now post her schedule.

>>101836791
Meanwhile...
>hurr durr no dead subs she will get it all back but also somehow new subs

>>101834164
>none of you are actually denying the truth
Correct, that's YOUR schtick

Christ, this retarded chumkek is going through all posts and replying to them one by one. Why can't they just have an IQ over 60?

>>101836838
>name me a channel.
ok, pewdiepie the vtuber in japan.

ITT: sisters desperatedly trying to protect their astroturfed "record" by putting Saba down

>>101837004
Let him have his fun, he had to sit for months without streams while the entire board made fun of him. Now he will get his week and a half of fun before going back to the drought

>>101824850 (OP)
2 more weeks.

>>101834362
You know you've lost when you need to LARP as a giga autist and interpret everything hyperliterally in place of having an actual counterargument.
There's no debate to be had. Saba is smashing records out of the park, and no amount of low-IQ cope about "dead subs" or "but the reveal was ackshually on May 19th!" will change the reality staring you in the face.

>>101836828
>>101836791
>>101836975
Dude, get a grip. Wipe those tears it's unsightly.

So you're all going to be mature and admit you were wrong when she doesn't enter 2026 with 4m subs or more, right?
And everyone else will apologize to kanikeks if she gets over 4m. It's agreed.

>deranged Gura anti refuses to answer two basic yes or no questions because they ruin the fundamental assumptions he pulled out of his ass to sound smart
>>101834362
-I- said that as a hyperbole to show you how ridiculous your assumptions are. Not him, he's a different anon.

>>101834315
>>101834525
>>101834574
>Has no counterargument
>Writes fanfics in his head to substitute them in place of what anons ACTUALLY said
If going all in on projection is the only way you can play make-believe that you won, maybe that should tell you something about how utterly weak and untenable your position is.

>>101837188
Reality ain't an anti dude. Not the kind of anti you want, you will always lose without anyone making any effort.

>>101837107
>>101837188
>>101837220
This full on cope and seething is not healthy. You guys were proven wrong multiple times, you lost. Go home and enjoy streams, or not.

>>101837222
If it's reality then why won't you answer 2 basic yes or no questions? Could it be that all the "math" ITT is pulled out of someone's ass and requires assumptions that aren't realistic or tenable?

Gura and Biboo are both mediocre and overrated.

>>101836449
She refused to commit to one because she expects she might feel like streaming something else on a given day.
Since you're slow, I'll spoonfeed you the subtext: it's a given that she'll be streaming regularly.
Hope this helps.

>>101836782
It's amazing, the lengths your species will go to just to double down on fanfiction and refuse to admit it when you know you're wrong.

>>101837339

>it's a given that she'll be streaming regularly.

So where is the proof of this?

>>101836688
>not because anxiety like she said now?
a) that's not what she said, that's just what the catalog told you she said based on their own inability to comprehend the English language
b) why are you fixating selectively on SOME things she "said" she didn't while ignoring OTHER things she said, instead of accepting the answer that explains ALL of them?
c) WHY do you think she was so fucking anxious, retard?
Go on, I'll give you a second to think about it.

>>101836790
I have a different read on her state of mind at debut, but nonetheless I appreciate the sentiment anon.

>>101837018
He has some of the most dead subs of anyone in history, wow, what an easy example. The whole world literally rallied behind subbing to him and actually made him the perfect example of why subs are a meaningless metric at a certain point. But we can't have that discussion because the most subbed vtuber that began as a vtuber channel doesn't look good on any other metrics.

>>101824850 (OP)
Give it some time, soon enough she will going to be crazy with the ''idea of so many people looking at her''
I'm not even against her, I wish her the best but let's be real

simply wait 2 months and you'll see stream frequency slow and then halt because tummy hort/throat hort/cat hort. then it'll be gura as usual.

>>101833031
Yeah you are right anon, let's enjooy it
i'm glad to see some positivity here

>>101836621
>>101836676
Pssst... hey... retards... I'm going to let you in on a little secret:
Getting 200k on debut... is not, in fact, "falling off" from her prior consistent ccv of 20k-50k... after barely streaming for years.
"500 ccv in five years" is a delusional pipe dream and you know it or maybe you don't, I'd hate to give you too much credit. If it was ever going to happen, why didn't it happen after five years as Gura, half of which she was MIA for? Well?
Past experience tells us that your fanfiction just plain old isn't going to happen.

>>101837605
>But we can't have that discussion because the most subbed vtuber that began as a vtuber channel doesn't look good on any other metrics.
I can't tell who or what you're talking about? Which channel and which metrics are supposedly bad?

>>101836689
>More fanfictions he pulled out of his ass
>This time with non-sequiturs

>>101837731
Suddenly you don't even know what supposed milestone you are defending?

>>101836951
>Meanwhile, in lala land
>Some strawman shit that nobody actually said
Sasuga

>>101837761
I'm NTA. I assume you're not talking about pewds. If you're taking about Gura her other metrics are certainly not bad either, it's just thet her subs are better.

>>101824850 (OP)
lol this is the first week. Give it a month and she will be gone for sure.

>>101836838
>What standards evenly
Least ESL Saba anti
>Name me a channel you want me to criticize for having dead subs
ALL of them you fucking retard, and more specifically the ones you are implicitly comparing against Saba when you cope about how, say, Salome ackshually beat her to 1m totally organically btw, lol, or how only X percent of those subs translate to CCV, or whatever other midwit excel-brained metrics you want to throw around as a substitute for recognizing reality.

>>101834590
lol, *pop* noice

>>101835419
autism is a hell of a superpower.

>>101835591
same ocean

>>101837662
>biboo poster
whatever tumbles your peble, just remember to be kind, rewind

>>101836948
>Didn't have a graduation speech
Right, so you're oblivious to even the most basic facts. It was already obvious but thank you for the hard confirmation.

>>101824850 (OP)

>>101837004
What can I say, I'm in a good mood. What about you, have you considered having more IQ points than chromosomes?
>>101837119
>>101837254
Keep trying anon, maybe if you repeat it enough, it'll become true and you'll un-lose the argument

>>101837415
>Hold on a second... which way does time flow?
>t. corposhill

>>101835419
>>101836576

>>101837630
When people call them "talent" they are not joking, Gura know she an 4chan schizo rambling random shit and after 2 stream don't fucking what to do anymore.

>>101838094
Strokechama...

Saba only streamed twice in all of June

>>101837311
>>101837721
>>101837731
>>101837755
>>101837785
>>101837877
>>101837993
>>101838025
You lost. That's a fact. Losers lose. Winners don't need to explain themselves.
>um ackshully 1m is still more than some other random person so it's almost like she got 5m resubs
Stop coping annoying children.
YOU LOST.

>>101837888
To tell you the truth, anon:
I don't hate pebbles and am acutely aware that most of these catalogniggers are falseflaggers. I know some of them are jealous of Gura's success, but I've had plenty of decent interactions with them and then again you have retards like avatarschizo who are jealous of Biboo's commitment to the grind. In my mind, any current or former chumbud/kaniki who would envy pebbles or Biboo genuinely doesn't appreciate what makes both girls special and distinct from each other, and vice versa. Therefore I wish them the best and hope Biboo finds success as the new designated EN cunny, she has big shoes to fill after all.

>>101837888
I'm glad mari flew under green reddit's radar.

>>101838260
>I-I-I WEEN! You LOSE!
>I-I-It's a fact because I SAY SO, fuck what REALITY says!
Go on, write another reddit paragraph desperately trying to cover your ass and rationalize your defeat into a victory. Just make sure to take something for your tachycardia first and maybe some antipsychotics so you'll stop being so delusional

>>101838378
then we have >>101838260
some people just can't cope with life itself.

>>101838094
if the person behind the model is a 4chan schizo, then like all things cute, she is mine (especially because she's a 4chan schizo).

>>101838260
If we all lost, then why do you have to so desperately try to convince us of it?
Seems like Saba is winning pretty fuckin hard from here.
>still can't answer two yes or no questions
I accept your concession.

>>101838487
>um no ackshully I won because nnn nnnnn look over there!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
YOU LOST.

>>101838582
>If we all lost, then why do you have to so desperately try to convince us of it?
Here >>101838260
>Stop coping annoying children.
This. Do it.
>>101838561
>ummmm it;s you that lost because ummm... somehow she has 5m subs umm and ummm my reality my rules
YOU LOST.

>>101824850 (OP)
Whilst this thread is obviously disengenious I legitimately won't believe she's back to streaming without like 4 months of continuous streaming (not daily mind you - just generally).

>>101838601
>>101838665
>It has literally devolved into agonized shrieks of denial
>In the face of a reality it cannot refute
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
God this is sad, please just rope already

>>101838665
i'm not invested in your argument.
unlike you, idc.

1million or 5 million, either way, its not single digits, and if its something we are enjoying, we'll continue till its no longer enjoyable.

either way, your argument doesn't matter to me
sorry i can't participate by being invested, i just dont care.

>>101838260
You're the one who's been coping the entire thread about how the subs don't count for reasons. Why do you care?

>>101838601
>>101838665
>least deranged Indian man

>>101838903
its pewdiepie vs tseries all over again, now with a shark/fish

>>101838765
>>101838831
>umm no ackshully the 5m subs are hiding under my shitposts
YOU LOST.

>>101838884
>no it's you not mee waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah dont say the truth
You are a loser. Stop coping fucking child.
>>101838903
>I'm too retarded to read or respond but ummm ackshully dont resort to just laughing at me
STOP LOSING if you don't like it.

>>101838938
>YOU LOST.
>he thinks i care

>>101838938
>>101839063
>R-r-reality DOESN'T COUNT because *paragraph after incoherent paragraph of deranged cope and frantic denialism*
MINDBROKEN.
You give off the energy of a scared little girl, clutching her teddy bear and reassuring herself with all her might that the monsters under her bed won't see her so long as SHE doesn't look at THEM.
In short - we both know damn well you lost... and yes, I will accept your concession.

>>101838934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYzwAoD1KI0
Huh, guess that explains why so many 'jeets anti

>>101838665
>guards_this_woman_has_lost_her_composure.jpg

>>101839067
>>101839108
>>101839190
>waaaaah I picked an impossible position why am I being called a loser you're so mindbroken uguu uguuu
YOU LOST. Next time do not pick an unwinnable fight. Losers.

>>101837872
Who said anything about bad, by one metric she's the greatest thing to ever walk the earth if you squint and ignore some of the details. By any other metric, she was never in the discussion.

>>101829934
This. People getting excited during debut week are morons.

>>101839256
>The meltdown continues
Talk about a sore loser, holy kek

>>101839144
where there's smoke there's an angry jeet

>>101839256
bloody bish lasanya

>>101839302
i think we're all just happy that she's staying in vtubing.
one friend lost is a friend lost.
one friend kept is a friend kept.

>>101839256
Bro let it go, the last half hour has been people just poking you to see how you'll shit yourself.

>>101839287
She's still in the discussion for #1 when she comes to ENs only, obviously she gets destroyed by a lot of JPs.

Cease all this pointless arguing over ridiculous nonsense and appreciate the fact that Saba is MY cute shark cat light keeper wife.

>>101839514
I made this post

>>101839514
>>101839594
yes anons, you read that right, I (the one who made this post) am married to the cute shark light keeper, sameko saba.

seethe in envy

Shit posting aside i hope her health is fine and that she can stream as much as she wants.

>>101840937
Same desu
Thankfully all early indications seem positive

>>101829631
Full image please?

>>101824850 (OP)
Did she do anything this stream or was it just a thank you? I only have so many hours a day to watch vtubers christ shoot me now

>>101832918
Chumbuds aren't vile antis, they claimed.
Heh.