>>101851897 (OP)
5 years ago things were good and fresh...

Go back to twitter and ask grok, OP

>>101851917
it was the best of times, it was the worst of times

5 years ago before everyone hated her

>>101851897 (OP)
Can she just say she hates Gura/Saba. It's just that easy.

>>101851969
I bet you a dollar Gura had legitimate reasons for leaving but Calli is too blinded by the record deal to see any issues and will always take Covers side.

>>101851897 (OP)
Myth anniversary is close so she is reminiscing (no idea what her PL is implying, either her antis are at it again or some /pol/ shit that I won't even care)

Anyone who think she is graduating are mega retards

>OP literally got tweet from other side.
>message can be taken as an advice in general.

So, did Phase fail to leech from Saba?

>>101852051
well yeah no shit, how else would she be able to push her music career if she didn't in her PL without cover?

>about to cause more controversy
>life is about peace guys :)
she deserves her antis

>>101852092
Anon, you say that as if it's a negative. That's like saying Toriyama is lucky Shounen Jump noticed him.

>>101852065
>phase out of nowhere

>>101852120
>Thinks Best Friends Plays are even relevant.
If anything , it shows her age.

>>101851897 (OP)
>peace is better than proving a point
I never approved of the whole cringy "dad" meme, but this is unironically beaten husband behavior.

>>101852051
I mean the US is going to shit so i could see her being upset over that especially considering she bought a house i believe

"please give me attention"

>>101851897 (OP)

>OP literally is an example of what NotMori is describing.
>does mental gymnastics just to feel good about itself and thinking he got away with a simple edit of the RM talking about things and thinks the mods can't see that he's violating rule #1

>>101852225
Both messages seem relevant if they are 5 minutes apart.

>>101851897 (OP)
loves biden(2020) hates Trump(trying to prove a point with iran)?

>>101852051
Well, she can't replicate Saba if she did go that route. She needs the music contract more than they need her. Too used to the grind and can't go back to setting up her own deals like she used to. Better to let someone else have to deal with all the hard stuff in her place.

>>101852277
It doesn't, though. The other skews on the situation at home , given that her mom is from California.

>>101852306
Too vague to even put sides on it because both are radicalized as fuck

>>101852306
I thought it was simpler than that and that "trying to prove a point" was just a reference to the golden strategery of putting "owning the libs" above everything else including peace.

>>101852316
the hard stuff seems to be composing and singing good music

>>101852444
Ah yes , the only EN to have songs in the Billboard charts, is having difficulty.

You really do live in an alternate reality.

>Billboard charts
>good music
these are the kind of retards we're dealing with

>>101852506
>Sh-she's totally talented bielielive me... https://youtu.be/tuTSmrDwyLw?si=eMVA8-p1Dcd_wpx6&t=45

>>101852553
Yeah, i'd believe the charts over the seething 2view with delusions of grandeur.

>>101852614
and this is exactly why nobody takes her or her fans seriously

>>101852444
Modern music industry hates good music

>>101852506
In the charts because holo, not her ability. Poor RZA had to listen to that garbage.

>>101852644
>>101852506
yeah.

>>101852637
Lmao, you still think /vt/ is relevant to the actual hololive fandom. You're in an echo chamber full of HoloAntis, most the actual fans are in Holotower.

>good news I received today >>101839113
As long as Mori doesnt have another trash taste or even bbno$ collab I have no reason to anti her yet, I will only make an exception with vshojo just because they gave vtubers.

>>101852683
well, you're still here

>>101852614
>>101852506
so true anon, the billboard charts only rank high quality song like Tyrone Bixnood singing "I am an oppressed billionaire, I had to suck my cousins cock because white people exist"

>>101852705
I'm here to laugh at the zoo.

>>101852713
enjoy getting humiliated constantly I guess

>>101852712
Ah yes, the classic deflection tactic of" I'm the only authority in rating music, especially someone i have a huge bias against"

>>101851897 (OP)
She told Saba she would be nothing without Hololive and that she should stay to keep the peace. Saba said fuck that, I'll do it again.

>>101852780
the difference is people always liked her, mori on the other hand...

>>101851897 (OP)
>ahh miss me the good old times when all I did was proving a point to vtweeters

>>101852755
I never said I was the only authority, you were the one using the billboard charts as a retarded attempt to appeal to authority

>>101852871
Metrics and engagement are not subjective. Her placing on the Billboard list is not because someone said so.

>>101852992
lol

>>101853001
>no actual rebuttal.
Thank you for the concession.

>>101852992
>Tourist doesnt even know what Sajaegi is

>>101851897 (OP)
She stopped fighting idol vtuber culture and wished she would realize that much sooner

>>101853097
>idiot defaults to tinfoil hat conspiracies because he believes his own opinion on someone he despises even though he's not the audience the person he hates caters to.

Was there heat between Gura and Calli?
She would always make weird awkward comments, that could be taken like she was complimenting her but also being a bitch.
I remember one where she basically said “You are so important and big deal, the most subscribed Vtuber”
I guess she could have been just trying to give her flowers but it came out of nowhere and sounded almost passive aggressive.

>>101852042
I promise you this has nothing to do with Saba and the two remain very close behind the scenes. If it was in reference to anything internally at Holo, she would not be tweeting about it. (You) would be the last person she would making implications to.
It's definitely a reaction to the Vshojo mess, but I could be wrong.
I'll say it once and hope to never have to repeat myself: if I'm right, then certain people really ought to listen to Mori. If anyone knows how to navigate insane shit in this scene, it's her. It's wisdom that shouldn't be dismissed lightly.

I just take it as sucking the manager cock to playcate those who write her future. You can spin whatever you want out to the vagueness but if you want something spicy.
>2020
>Times are good, numbers are good, debut is fresh, friendships are fun
>Myth has a good time trying to figure things out together.
>2021 rolls around and they start working on hiring Council (and Irys)
>Things are ok.
>2022-2024 Omega does a bunch of stupid shit with the branch that many members openly complain about
>Kicked out
>Advent brought on
>Many talents talk about a bit of change in direction
>Cover gets way more heavy handed with shilling and forcing talents to shill
>Advent and Justice brought on knowing that
>Older talents getting tired of constant meetings and pushing for more product that results in even more meetings
>Most meetings are JP time, which some find terrible for their stream times and personal life
>Fight management to get things changed, they don't budge
>Continue to fight all the way out the door
She just wants the kinda chill and fun times back. The fact that even FWMC have to fight over dumb shit like making English versions of their content is wild and shows that Cover really only gives a fuck about what they want to do.

>>101853224
Saba's Twitter follows are pretty telling about the state of their relationship.

>>101853381
>2020
>Times are good,
Not for Mori, lol

>>101853224
We do know that Saba does not follow Mori's PL account like the other select few holo members.

>>101853224
heat? Didn't seem like it but they definitely weren't as close as they use to be. Came off more a regular drifting apart.

>>101853437
Regular drifting apart? More like sudden change after the Airbnb fiasco.

>>101853426
This doesn't really mean much, especially considering it's likely Saba is quite hands off with her own Twitter. She has implied in the past that she does her best to avoid general vtuber socmed.

>>101853426
>>101853437
Both are just idiots who decided to never publicly engage after that incident. NotMori also hasn't been active in a while so i doubt she updates that account that often.

The mere fact that OP was stretching something that could be applied to anything is hilarious.

>>101853426
>Replaces Mori and Kizuna A.I for 2nd place of EN vtuber with most subs on youtube.
>Irritates Mori's friend ironmouse to no end while also being compared to her constantly on who is bigger on twitch.
>Mori is too boomer, Filian is too zoomer.

If Mori had a Vtuber I absolutely hate list it would be ranked 1st place: Saba 2nd place: Filian.

>>101851897 (OP)
EN managment lost
EN homos lost
Homocollabers lost
Homobeggars lost
HoloEN is fucking dead
Ex-holos won

>>101853495
You know you can just write fanfiction, yeah? You don't have to pass your headcanon off as real

>>101853576
forgot pic related to add to post.

>>101853563
The only rms Saba doesn't follow out of Myth and CouncilRyS are:
Mori
Bae
IRyS
She followed Sana's rm over Mori's lol.

>>101852780
>>101852805
Saba won't do SHIT. Sure, she WAS the most popular vtuber 3 months ago and managed to reach a million subs a few days agi. But where's her album? Where's her solo concert? If anything the fan content of Gura/Saba is more interesting that Gura/Saba herself. Chumvuds are just as bad as bronies - amazing fan content for a franchise that does not even deserve it

>>101853576
Fortunately she doesn't think like a sociopathic loser

>>101853599
I would Grudgepost every Gura vs Mori post when the inevitable Saba/DD collab happens. It may take years, but i promise i will do it.

>>101853599
It's a fact that Bonebros activity fell off a cliff after that event.

>>101853630
So she follows Kiara's RM?

>>101853663
Maybe wait for Saba to follow Mori's rm first, except you'll be waiting until you turn into an actual deadbeat in a grave unless you prefer turning to ashes instead. Feel free to grudgepost me.

>>101853630
>Mori
>Sucks management cock 24/7
>Bae
>Sucks management cock 24/7
>Irys
>Is 50/50 JP/EN and is Japanese.
Sure is a mystery which she chose not to follow from Myth and Council.

>>101853634
Song covers really dont mean shit. Vedal987 is still kicking ironmouses ass in viewers and Saba/Gura is still too faraway in viewers compared to Mori.

Unless you want to argue that lolicons are pushing both vedal and sabas audience with higher numbers.

>>101853681
Yes she does. She follows Shion and Aqua's rms as well.

>>101852506
>the only EN to have songs in the Billboard charts
I'm sure one of IRyS's EP got into top 10 of Global Billboards for a while after release so while Mori is absolutely far ahead of IRyS in terms of success in music, she technically isn't "the only EN to have songs in the Billboard charts".

>>101853599
>airbnb fiasco is a fanfiction
nice damage control

>>101853785
Well, i stand corrected, but watch how the anti says it now counts because IRyS made it.

>>101853630
Quite possibly at their the request.
You act like these girls don't also have private personal accounts you don't know about. Again, Twitter follows simply mean very little. These are business accounts after all and there can be very good reasons not to link up. Erring on the side of caution regarding IP/branding/contracts, for starters.

>>101853794
>keeps deflecting that Fiasco isn't about Mori and Gura being forced to appease salivating Mori Antis who hid behind Chumbud masks.

>>101853630
>chad cast clique
just a coincidence

>>101853750
Based. Proves that the Sametori bond was real

>>101853665
Gura's activity in general declined. Pinning it to any particular point in time is just revisionism. Pick any stream or event from around that time and you could construct any narrative you like.

>Saba doesn’t follow Chadcast and Advent and Justice
I could explain away the later gens, but there is something definitely there with not following Bae, IRyS and Calli’s PLs

>>101853888
>clique
And there it is.
Hello sister. Still mad about that?

>>101853365
>but what about vshojo
no cares anon

Mori antis are some of the dumbest mongoloids on earth. I can rest easy these roaches will die loveless, wifeless and childless so their subhuman lineage doesn't carry over.

>>101853837
Case in point: >>101853999
Gura got along with Justice, even knew Raora's rm predebut iirc. It says nothing about their personal relationships.
>>101854035
I think Mori does actually, considering she's friends with the people involved.

>>101853948
Why did Gura continue to collab with SNO, their individual members, and Ame while they were still there, while avoiding Bonebros outside of Myth group collabs?

>>101853999
>Calli
>clique

Sister is trying to force a narrative where there was something that Divided Myth.

>>101853837
Calli’s PL is an open secret, it looks weird as hell she is not following her

I dont know about Mori, but Kiara has found redemption for me despite her shit political takes in the past.

>>101852683
Kek
Rekt that dumb cunt

>>101854101
you mean if we discount all the times she went out of her way to hang out with Mori on RUST or joining the Mori organized Outlast collabs, or do we allow mentioning things that happened?

>>101854101
Gura barely streamed at all lol, there's a lot she didn't do. Also timezones play a factor.

>>101854144
We can also see the countless times they still performed together.

>>101853837
Yet Mori's rm is fine with following Kronii's, Ame's, and Fauna's rms just from a glance at the first 30 follows on her list. Your argument doesn't make sense.

>>101853999
>Bae's completely dead PL
Retarded whore nijisis

I hate that IRyS was involved with the two whores so she inadvertently gets roped into this shit too

>>101854168
Anon, the other account hasn't been that active.

>>101854186
I knew it was a crat trying to shit on Mori and Bae as usual. She's a bigger whore than either of them

>>101854091
grim if true that entire group of people are all subhuman trash that will throw each other under the bus for clout. It's no secret that mori is a horrible judge of character.

>>101851969
How can she hate the person she raped?

>>101854006
>using GG image
>who is a known nijisister in her PL
lol
lmao

>>101854244
Seethe more trannysister

>>101854133
She won me over in the end, especially when she herself admired that she is mentally not all there at times and will read too much into things, and asked Elizabeth to just bear with her.
She got fucked over by the company a lot too, so she gets sympathy.

>>101854244
Protip: Aqua was one too

>>101854244
we believe in redemption here, mori acts like nijitrash while in hololive but GG knows what's up

>>101854236
Interesting little glimpse into your mind, anon. One would think that if you liked someone, you wouldn't rape them?

>>101854269
>replying to yourself
Try shilling the orange whore somewhere else

>>101854244
And how does that make you any less of a sister, exactly?

>>101853630
Bae's roommate hasn't been active since 2022 and is a completely dead account since she is full send into holo. I don't know why Mori and IRyS' aren't followed but Bae's is pretty much a dead account so not sure why you even bothered mentioning her

>>101852042
Wanting more money for doing less is a legit reason I guess

>>101851897 (OP).

here is the joke:

everyone hated ((([[Jo]e] [Bi]den))) in the end, and didn't want him anyways.

(Power) is more important than (((Joe))).

after all you don't want people who are burdens, right?

>>101854133
The Inzoi stream hooked me personally.
I mean it's not like I hated her before that or anything, I just didn't have any strong opinions one way or the other.

>>101854171
Meanwhile Nimi following everyone exept Shiori, Biboo an FWMC.

>>101854366
Any actual fan sees that Gura isn't used to be pressured. Couple to that, the fact that management turned down her proposals for her senpai's pet project. But let's blame Mori because it's convenient to our unicorn vs homo narrative.

>>101851897 (OP)
These are warning messages for Saba.

>2020
A call back to "better times", when there was no beef between them and things just worked fine. But it is also implied that they are not friends anymore.

>peace is better than proving a point + these days
She is warning Saba to leave them alone. The implication of this message is war, if the status quo is challenged, because of some dumb rebellion.

>hope life can just stay peaceful
The word "stay" is emphasizes the present uncertainty due to Saba. and "peaceful" the possibility of war

So as a whole this read something like:
Saba, the time we were friends was long ago, but things worked fine for us back then. If you put in danger my current position, there will be war. Leave us alone, go do your indie thing but you better do not mess with us.

Gura comments on how bad was her situation with Mori in her last song (which btw included a symbolic representation of her war against the corpo as you all know), with the line:
>Death will never write my name

Most of you dumb autists read this, Gura being immune to death because of her wholesome relationship with Mori. But it was the other way around, it was actually a challenge against Mori. This spoke of Mori attempts to diminish Gura in the corpo, yet since she is leaving Mori does not hold any power against her anymore.

>>101854320
Nah, he's somewhat right that Kiara got a clue some time ago, I don't watch her though and never will but at least she isn't a big pain anymore during collabs, that I can testify for.

>>101854282
The only reason you like gg is because she's the biggest bootlicker in hololive

>>101854462
>unicorn vs homo narrative
Jesus really? I hadn't even considered that was an agenda being pushed here but you might be right. I gotta stop reading the catalog, man.

>>101854212
That thread is filled with some of the worst anti-EN sentimant on this board, right in front of FWMC's thread. Is it really a surprise?

>>101851897 (OP)
Something something 2020 was before that time Mori held that rager at an AirBNB and Gura got gangraped in a closet for Factorio perms, or whatever the rrat was that came out of that. I don't know, I'm not on my A-game today. Life's been rough.

>>101854483
The only reason she wasn't a pain in the last collab I've had the misfortune of seeing her was because her volume was down in the pov I was watching

>>101854413.

still me.

anyways.

2020 isn't 2025, and so does the other years that succeed it.

honestly, every metalawyer in the world if it exists is a burden.

y'all are a burden.

You are going to hell.

>>101854482
>
Someone actually took the time to write this shit
Think about it for a moment

>>101854503
Okay now you're just saying whatever retarded shit comes to your mind.

>>101854568
Like I said, these antis believe their farts too much.

>>101854582
Have fun watching your 125th sponsorship

>>101854592
Yeah. These niggas are braindead. I'm outta here

>>101854482
I hope to god you're a teenager and not some 30 year old man writing shit like this. Advice: >>101853599

>>101851897 (OP)
passive aggressive comment, something one might say, when it's not worth resisting a change anymore, but the resentment about the outcome is still causing pain

>>101854186
>>101854212
Kys schizo

>>101854568
It's funny because anyone with composition skills sees the rising action accompanying Gura's triumphant fightback and that the first stanza was literally her having doubts.

You know what she was doing before the rising action? She was cleaving pirate ships in half, depicting a dead whale (orca)

>>101854133
I absolutely loved it when she called out Mori on her bullshit when she answered a fan's question in chat if Connor apologized to hololive members which was a no implying that Mori lied.

>>101854662
Says the pedophile who watches women pretending to be lil children

>>101854539
Mods please let this schizo stay. It adds a lot to this thread's mood and atmosphere.

>>101854726
Go back to Twitter filthy tourist

Their silent war continues to rage insidiously.

the message means
dont be a vtweeter
create content :D

>>101854799
Dude. This is literally a rising action of All the Myth inspiring her to fight again.

>>101854830
That's the front facing interpretation.

>>101851897 (OP)
Early Mori had a pathological need to "own the haters" at the cost of basic professionalism and common sense
This came to a head with the Lean Arc, after which she realized she needed to change her ways

>ITT: Mori antis can't into reading thematic lyrics and scenes.

>>101854867
and with another trash podcast appearance the cycle starts again

>>101854867
That's probably the only interpretation worth a damn.

Probably also the answer to the situation with Saba/Gura.

>ITT: Mori defenders can't into inferring the darker connotations of the lyrics

>>101854726
Mate, if you're in your 30s with this chunni level of emotional maturity then I don't think you're in any position to be calling other people pedophiles. I can't imagine you have many romantic options your age.

>>101854133
kiara definitely loves the fans if nothing else

>>101854904
Except Saba didn't shit on anyone in any of her streams.

>>101854927
This is why this war is waged silently and insidiously.

>>101854704
deabbeats have always try and hide or downplay this clip

>>101854919
the melaninuous ones yes

>>101854874
>it's one of the MEDIA LITERACY retards who thinks Kanji is gay and Naoto is trans

>>101854859
>front facing interpretation
Did any of you fucking people go to school?

>>101854965
That's kinda off because i don't believe in both those assumptions.

Why are chumbuds always such retards? Is it because their oshi never cares about them?

>>101854937
Or you're a schizophrenic retard seeing subtext that isn't there? It's pure confirmation bias.

>>101854978
Wow, I can see Myth holding her up and supporting her to fight against her incarnation, a representation of her dark thoughts of burning bridges and forcibly leaving Hololive. Damn I can read into the lyrics and visuals, wow! You're like a fucking preschooler.

>>101853630
IRyS was in Gura's Loli Kami Requiem cover, leave her out of this

>>101855042
>Leave IRyS out of this but ignore how she has always avoided Gura
Lmao

>>101851897 (OP)
A warning to Saba

>>101855034
I took issue with the terminology "front facing interpretation." Just say literal you fucking sperg.

>>101855132
It's the other way around

hooooooly fuck /vt/ is a god damn mental asylum now lmfao

>>101853630
they are the biggest management supporters, together with advent. Coincidence?

>>101855156
Truthfully, I think they just politely ignore each other. Or silently cheer for the other. And that's fine. There was a period of friendliness, but a workaholic and someone who feels no obligation for regular activity were never going to stay in close contact. They drifted apart and there was no malicious reason for it.

>>101854133
>shit political takes
Kys and fuck off

>>101855352
its high school girl clique bullshit for adults.

>>101855417
They didn't even drift apart per se. Gura and Mori got along and hung out plenty of times over the years. It's a weird rrat being pushed by psychos reading Twitter follows like tea leaves.

>>101855132
Irys avoids everyone

This is not a compliment, I think Mori has a huge share of fans from Vshojo.

>>101852755
I have a bias against mori and niggers and I'm right.

>>101855495
Anyone would realize this if they paid attention to streams. It's just that some idiots want this Unicorn vs Homo civil war to be reality even though all of them interact positively.

>>101852712
>I had to suck my cousins cock because white people exist
Very weird interpretation of Kanye given his current political views.

>>101855528
So does Senzawa.

>>101855495
My own view on it was that Gura consistently had issues confronting her fanbase when it was needed. Because she didn't want the drama and she didn't want management to end up taking a side.
Now that she's alone, she's able to do whatever she wants, whenever she wants, so we'll see if she gains more confident in running the show.

>>101852553
You're actually THAT retarded. No, I refuse to believe it.

>>101855672
You also think Amish Paradise is serious, didn't you?

>>101855652
ogey
dunno what that has to do with what I said but good for you, man.

>>101854539

self anchor.

>>101854736.

You "don't want me to stay," but have to because you need to survive. put that thought on your puny metalawyer head.

>>101855794
whats a metal awyer?

>>101851897 (OP)
She's reminiscing of the good old smooth brain days

>>101855808.

it's pataphysics + nomenclature thing, and you have metanarrative driver. you are the vehicle of the metanarrative driver or something something like that.

i'll have to define that well in the future. not here though.

>>101855863
Shit, I forgot how stupid she used to be... Well she's better now, I think.

I genuinely don't understand how it can be this many years and people still think Mori is the type to throw shade at another person.

>>101855794

anchor.

>>101855899.

Anchor.

>>101855863.

you finally get it.

>>101851897 (OP)
>peace is better than proving a point
No it isn't unless you're a fucking spinless cuck.
Death before capitulation.

>>101855942.

Anchor.

again.

2020 is not 2025

>>101855927
maybe not anymore because of all the medication she's on

I always like when people want to say something, but also want to pretend they're above it, so they vague post instead which only makes them look worse
If you were truly above it and didn't want any drama you wouldn't even vague post

>>101855951
>he's saying this because he's confident he won't be drafted.

You know you people can like Saba and Hololive at the same time, right? Its not one or the other? I mean I'm talking to you, obvious falseflags that are actually Niji fans.

>>101855998
>le draft
The meme "war" ended a week ago son.

>>101855899
i thought awyers were the jambs in your roof so you mean a metal one?

>>101856029
>doesn't realize that Civil war is going to happen, one way or the other.

>>101856056

Meta-lawyers.

>>101856067
In two more weeks! This time for sure.

>>101851897 (OP)
>>101851969
>>101852042
>>101852120
>>101852130
Reminder this faggot will just keep talking to himself

The amount of schizo posting is reaching an all time high.

Just know that hololive lives rent free in guras mind.

>>101855794
Hell yeah man

>>101855863
why does anyone like her if she has to contort herself into someone she's not to be likable?

>>101856123
there's not going to be a holoen in 5 years, there's still going to be a saba

>>101854482
I can do this too, anon

>2020
She finally had time to sit down and watch Saba's debut stream. Now she's remembering how excited, but nervous they all were to debut. She also remembered Myth seeing Gura naked.

>peace is better than proving a point these days
She sees no point in proving that they are still friends, when their friendship has been peaceful ever since they privatized it.

>hope life can just stay peaceful
She hopes you retards will stop trying to push that they aren't friends.

>death will never write my name
This is actually about Mori knowing that Gura's life was nearly over because she is death. Mori didn't want to reap her, so after telling Gura about it they decided to fake Gura's death to give her a new life. Mori temporarily reaped Gura's soul, then dipped it in the river Styx to cleanse it and make it invulnerable, lastly she replaced it in a brand new body.

>>101856123
>The amount of schizo posting is reaching an all time high.
t. schizo

>>101856333
If they were friends Gura would follow her, like she follows all the others.

>>101856414
>peace is better than proving a point

>>101856436
Yes I heard you, it makes no sense at all.

>>101856414
Not necessarily.

>I love PEACE! Don't you all love PEACE too? I bet Saba loves PEACE and wouldn't do anything to hurt her old pal, right? Haha.

>>101856519
Do tell, we're all curious why would she specifically not follow just one of them

>>101856465
Well you are a schizo of course peace doesn't make sense to you

>>101856465
>it makes no sense at all
same with this thread

>>101855927
>2000+ after our lord and savoir
>woman not throw shade
raugh

>>101856541
Peace would imply that she were to follow her there would be some kind of war or conflict, once again it makes zero sense.

>>101856540
so you're ignoring the posts talking about how she also doesn't follow neither IRyS or Bae? Mori and Kronii are really close too so trying to say it's because they're close to Mori or associated with her is dumb.

>>101856634
She doesn't even know Bae's account and never interacted much with IRyS. But Mori was her gen mate and at one point they were obviously close friends, but not any longer.

>>101856650
>but not any longer
They never said that. Automatically assuming that they aren't friends proves that you're just looking for drama to try and stir shit. Even in those last myth collabs, they were still getting along just like old times.

>>101856540
Not necessarily, meaning the reason you've given is not necessarily true. The burden is on you to prove that it is the reason and not some other. Whether I provide my own examples of alternative reasons is irrelevant, the fact remains: you don't actually know why they aren't following each other and this is all speculation.
But to be a good sport, I'll speculate too.
Maybe Saba and Mori already talk through private socmed accounts and that's their preferred method of correspondence. Maybe Mori wants to draw less attention to her rm these days and asked Saba not to follow her (forgetting retards like us exist).
The point is you don't know. You're speculating and then getting mad. Grow up.

>>101856767
They don't have to say it. The fact that she deliberately isn't following it despite once being close friends with her is proof of it.
As for your myth collabs, they are professionals and wouldn't want the audience to see that they are not getting along much anymore. That's what professionals do, they don't bring that on stream.

>>101856767
>they were still getting along just like old times.
cmon you're not supposed to make it so obvious that you don't even watch streams

>>101856839
>The fact that she deliberately isn't following it despite once being close friends with her is proof of it.
Not necessarily.

>>101856801
This just cope to a laughable degree and you know it. This is like fandead saying it's just a coincidence that all the plates and cutlery were the same.
I don't know why people time and time again refuse the truth and need to come up with absolute bullshit mental gymnastics.

Back in the day she had axes to grind and points to make.
Remember originally she wasn't terribly keen on the whole vtuber thing and was even a little resentful of the success she got as Calli because "she doesn't own it"
But over time she's gotten used to it and mellowed out. The record deal was basically everything she ever wanted but again it's not really hers.

>>101856840
Ironic. Why are you scared of watching the final Myth collabs, anon? or the Myth one block? Are you afraid that you'll be proven wrong, anon? :)

>>101852506
>>101852534

I believe the billboards chart as much as Kojima's biggest flop game DS2 getting 10/10 reviews on my news feed which is BS.

>>101855863
Remember when things were so good in vbuting that petty shit like this was considered actual yabs

>>101851897 (OP)
I've got ya' anon
>I'm a retarded woman
>I remember when I'd made less retarded decisions in my life
>Such as when I just hadn't long enough to make as many
>Boy I sure do love peace and love and stuff
>Anyway BIG ANNOUNCEMENT Thursday btw (It's literally nothing btw)

>>101856250
Hololive already outlasted two of her careers (which she ditched herself), so the trends currently point otherwise

>>101856998
your endless seethe over Mori being involved in more and more stuff is funny as fuck

>>101856870
I'm just stating the facts. I don't think Twitter follows are much of a smoking gun, especially with corporate/ex-corporate vtubers. There's so much that isn't public facing. Branding and contracts are too complicated for you to forsake reserving judgement.
If you care about truth, why neglect certainty?

Dooby didn't follow her either for a while and I am pretty sure the reason was just that she forgot because she followed her two or three months ago

>>101852444
mori doesn't compose music, do you not see the credits?

>>101856908
I think mori is just sad she playing catch up in how to play the system

>>101857043
I'm glad. At least you can find something entertaining in this thread unlike her streams, huh?

>>101856959
DS2 is objectively good, the quality of games is generally less subjective than the quality of music

>>101857043
>more and more
She hasn't done anything relevant in months, besides attaching herself to Biboo's charity drive

>Mori follows both Nimi and Dooby but not Saba with either account.

They genuinely do hate each other.

>>101857262
she's probably mad her leeching attempts were fruitless, don't chumbuds hate her lol

>>101857262
>>101857070

>>101857227
Damn I can't believe that Mori lied about planning this recent charity stream immediately after the one she did on Valentines day. I should have known it was actually Biboo's after Biboo said during the recent charity stream that she wanted to join Mori in doing the recent charity stream. Stop using Biboo for your shitposts.

>>101857299
its kind of sad she's clearly using biboo as a surrogate gura

>>101857262
Maybe not hate, but I'd say they definitely drifted apart and it just didn't work out between them anymore. Who knows what it was about, maybe it was the airbnb shit, maybe something else, but it's safe to say they wouldn't consider each other friends anymore.

>>101851897 (OP)
Wait a second Mori didn't post that

>>101857490
It was definitely the airbnb . Gura values her privacy and anonymity and then Mori invites a bunch of drunk randos over who at any moment could snap pictures and post it for clout.

>>101857598
She didn't invite them, her sister did

>>101851897 (OP)
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>>101857525
>anon realizes this a thinly veil doxx thread
slowchama...

>>101857185
you're genuinely less entertaining than her sleepy ramblings at the 24th hour of her stream, but unlike you she takes breaks

>>101857227
She literally performed for the emperor of Japan...

>>101857163
she actually has composing credits in a couple recent songs

>>101857663
He doesn't care, schizos also say that Mori doxxed the location too when they were the ones that posted it after searching for it

You really need to look for new hobbies if you take things like this so seriously

>>101855167
Policing other people's language is a fool's errand, anon.

>>101857227
she organized the charity drive herself (Biboo confirmed it), her song was included in a TV show, she was involved in multiple panels and performances at Osaka's Expo, performed at Budokan and that's just the last couple months/weeks

>>101851897 (OP)
Okay here, you ready? She's trying to say
>BRAAAAAAAAAP

>>101857824
People just like arguing

>>101857824
I don't think anyone is taking it seriously, dunking on silly deadbeats is fun

>>101853224
>Was there heat between Gura and Calli?
Sexually, yes

>>101857938
you're the one getting dunked on

>>101857938
>dunking on silly deadbeats is fun
Always has been

>>101857445
At this point I will only find her as redeemable as Kiara if she does popsicle/lollipop sucking in a middle of an asmr for 3 minutes or more

>>101857938
>>101858040

>>101857938
But one of you Mori schizos took my post seriously

>>101857938
ok, I was wrong, deadbeats are taking this very srsly

>>101858057
With Saba streaming consistently, and VAllure rising rapidly she would only resort to doing this kind of "fan service" if maybe both kiara or kronii decided to leave.

The company is already segregating the homos.

>>101857938
>dunking
oh i didnt know creating and believing this whole "actually gura was raped" fanfiction was dunking on deadbeats but ok

>>101857938
Ever since the lean incident deadbeats are the most defensive, seething fans on this board and they have literally never learned from it. They don't even bite bait, they bite empty hooks.

>>101858102
Yeah, like the deadbeat that made the post below yours

>>101858221
>>101858080

>>101858237
>Instantly proves the point
lol

>>101851897 (OP)
Gonna expose that Gura's "Shenanigans" were entirely her choice.

Ouronald Trumpronii will negotiate a trade deal between Saba and Mori, the best trade deal in the history of trade deals maybe ever. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION ON THIS MATTER.

All I got to say is if Saba ever collabs with Filian, then it's actually confirmed that Saba and Mori hate each other.

>>101851897 (OP)
Mori is a grizzled veteran and is weary of the ways of the world.

>>101858474
>Trusting Ouronald Trumpronii after the $KRONII coin incident

>>101858614
Is there any meat to the Mori hating filian rrat? They've never even interacted right?

>>101855973

anchor.

>>101858474.

You IDIOTIC IMBECILE. /VT/ IS ELON MUSK. MUSK LOST

>>101851897 (OP)
Calli legit thought Gura was going to flop after leaving Holo, but after surpassing all expectations she is coping hard.
That’s what I get out of those tweets.

>>101858755
>Calli

>>101858751.

elon musk = joe biden = vt.

>>101858724
its just a gut feeling I have
>>101853576

>>101858614
Imagine she collabs with Filian and then both talk shit about Connor in a roundabout way.

>>101858724
that schizo has been repeating that for weeks now

>>101851897 (OP)
She's right. Too many people taking issue and creating problems where none need to be.

>>101858724
>Is there any meat to the Mori hating filian rrat?
Take a wild guess

>>101858803
that would just mean no Saba and Ironmouse collab

>>101858919
Good
Judging by how all Vshojo that leave say she is a bitch, she should avoid her.
Several more members just left because of her btw

>>101858858
Perfect example being this thread

>>101858803
>Both doing a really shitty Welsh accent and taking about how “they have no talent” or whatever the fuck he said about Myth and Council, and the mention “monkey” a coupe of times

>>101857938
Which ones? Most of them aren't even here anymore, global is a ghost town

>>101857262
She raped her, and their relationship was never the same after. Gura hates her guts now.

To myself it reads that under no circumstance are anyone within the company allowed to interact with or mention anything of former hololive members new work on the Cover business side. It also hints that some within the company are upset with this decision. This is also backed by Gura not being allowed to publicly wish Dooby an happy birthday, as noted by Saba. It's also possible that this has created division amongst the talents, and has and will see a continued leave of existing Cover talents.

>>101851897 (OP)
she's a honkey living in japan so she probably has some fucked up political opinions she keeps to herself in order to not alienate possible pay piggies. didn't she used to casually say the n-word?

>>101851897 (OP)
Good to see things are going so well for Mori she has to cryptically doompost on twitter

>>101856801
>>101857066
NTA, and I appreciate what you're saying, but are you really suggesting that the twitter follows are just a coincidence then?
In order, Gura followed the roommate accounts of Ame, Fauna, Mumei, Kronii, Kiara, and then Ina. As a chumbud, I can't help but notice that that is the order of the people she was closest to in hololive.
She also followed the roommate accounts of the few JP members that graduated that she was close to, including Aqua and Shion, but not Chloe.
Why not follow Mori's roommate account if she was one of the people she was close to? If we were to go by your interpretation, then why is it that ONLY Gura and Mori decided to be friends on non-public facing accounts and none of the others?

>>101860631
You aren't a chumbud. Everything you've said is just doubling down what the schizo is implying.

>>101860631
There are best friends, close friends, and friends. Not everyone is going to be a best friend or a close friend. Mori and Gura can be friends without needing to be close friends. It's that simple.

>>101862104
It's also like a binary switch with them. You either are or aren't a friend, when there's levels to it.

>>101861566
Nevermind. I guess you're just an idiot. I don't want Mori and Gura to have had a falling out. I wasn't doubling down on anything. I am asking you why you're dismissing the "schizo's" theory when the twitter follows support him and actively discredit you if you simply use occam's razor.
So I'll ask again: any chumbud would know that the holo roommates she followed on twitter were the people she was closest to in hololive. So why did she not follow Mori? If your answer is that it's because they decided to only follow each other with private accounts, then why them specifically and not any of the others?
Can you at least answer those questions?

>>101853365
>the two remain very close behind the scenes
Why does Saba follow everyone in Myth's PL except for Mori then?

>>101862463
>triples down

>>101862463
>PL

>>101857262
Ok, by your logic
>Kronii follows both Saba and Dooby but not Nimi with either account
Therefore Kronii hates Nimi
Thats how you sound.

this schizo mori "drama" is deflect from jelly getting backshots in 2019
keep the focus on moonjelly please, deathcucks

>>101862947
>Kronii hates Nimi
she kinda does it's not secret that they had a falling out after the break up

>>101862947
>Therefore Kronii hates Nimi
She does though. Even unfollowed artists who drew her alt persona with Nimi.

>>101862986
I'll be honest retardchama, 5 years from now e'll still have some niggers seethe over the airBnB and no one will even remember a company called Phase Connect existed
there's no relevance to them

>>101862947
worst example you could use kek

>>101862947
Kronii does hate Nimi and that is not negotiable. Check her latest post, she's actively chumming it up with Saba and still ignores Nimi.

>>101851897 (OP)
Just because you know a better way to do something doesn't mean you should disrupt the way everyone else does it.

>>101851897 (OP)
Here you go
>I'm doing so bad with the EN audience management is desperately trying to shift me to JP to salvage my shit

>>101864378
that's definitely what's happening, schizochama

>>101851897 (OP)
Heh, someones panicking. If id have to guess sabas runaway success threatens the foundations of corpos. Girls might start getting ideas.

>>101856015
Just the same as me liking Hololive talents but disliking some of the direction of the company, yet I'll still have 10 people call me every bait word under the sun for saying EN has really been going ham on advertising/shilling.

>>101865139
Saba had 3 streams up till now and shilled or sold merch in every single one of them

>>101865207
What's your point?

>>101865238
that everyone shills shit because vtubing became very profitable? it's a weird complaint to hold when aside from a handful of members actual shill streams are a rarity and most merch is related to yearly events

>>101854366
>hate cover
>streaming makes them money directly and indirectly
Why would gura stream?

>>101865207
>introduced merch in 1st
>informed about merch now being pre order in 2nd
>not mentioning it in the third

>>101865295
>Shill streams are a rarity
>FWMC never stop putting out more trash to buy and advertising it constantly on stream
>Gigi didn't just have 2 straight weeks of almost nothing but sponsored game streams and a week of YuGiOh before that
Maybe I'm just picking all the bad ones. Never felt this strongarmed or often before and I've been watching EN since a month after they started.

>>101865405
Unironically you are watching exactly all the people who still the most.

>>101865799
The first 6 months wasn't too bad for FWMC and Gigi only recently ramped up outside of her meme stuff with her plush.

>>101865799
*shill

>>101851897 (OP)
someone else decided to graduate and it's messy. they're not getting what they want so they're "proving a point" by leaving.

>>101852042
more like she knows she wouldn't do nearly as well on her own without the Mori name/brand if she had to abandon it and stop using it on her music releases.

if she left because she wanted to primarily be a musician all along and not a vtuber/streamer, then much of the fanbase she built up would start to lose interest over time. another big thing - being a solo musician trying to stand up her works on her own would open her up to pure cutting scrutiny of its merit as music standalone. there wouldn't be the "wellll she's also a streamer and entertainer overall, there is more to her than the music so it's ok if it's ass" backup explanation. if she stopped streaming and focused on music and got raked over the coals that'd mentally be rough. if she left and kept vtubing anyway why do that when mori already exists.

>>101866145
>"wellll she's also a streamer and entertainer overall, there is more to her than the music so it's ok if it's ass"
Holy Delulu.

>>101851897 (OP)
peace is better, but if lies want to kill truth, then making a point is better, always.

peace can only go so far, then a point must be made, and the point of the matter is that peace was never an option.
sometimes its better to admit defeat if you are wrong or continue to suffer.

the beatings will continue till morale improves

>>101866196
are you implying mori's music is good enough to stand up on its own? you do know how it went before she was mori right? her general cringey ideas/focus overall works in tandem with the character. remove that and it's not gonna be pretty besides all the extant fans just riding her out now that she's already made it.

EN management wants her to illustrate to the public that working with corporations is beneficial, even more so than being an indie, but Mori doesn't want to, maybe because that person is her old co-worker or she is simply exhausted.

>>101866312
Anon, Alkatraz was a hit and it blew up before she was even Mori.

>>101857841
a fools errand is still an errand (i dont know what you guys are arguing about, but it sounds fun, and i want to join in)

>>101855156
>i dont even think about you at all.

>>101855352
always was.

Given how much Mori antis latch into Gura/Saba atm, a DD/Saba collab would create the biggest meltdown /vt/ has ever seen.

>>101858080
me in the bottom pannel, lol

>>101854704
That singular fucking lie is the reason why I still hate her after all these years. Defending that cunt by lying for him about that shit.
What a fucking bitch. Him of all people

>>101866916
Hate or just dislike? Hate is pretty strong word.

>>101866117
I hate that this one makes the most sense. Kiara, or one of the other CHADcast members, is gonna graduate.

The "market" is currently experiencing a covert competition that is a rush to become a startup ex-holo indie. If you decide to graduate 2-3 years from now you will get the short end of the stick, so it's now or never for the hololive talents who secretly hate working with Cover Corp.

>>101867218
>Kiara
She's been complaining about working there for years but she's not leaving. It's still her only way to be an idol with a group

>>101866780
that'd be nice yeah and bonebros was a thing, but if they simply followed each other that'd kill the rrating. many narratives are stupid but both the girls are giving schizos straws to grasp at. they certainly don't have to and can change that at the click of a button, but that's the current status.

>>101867218
kronii has been rather aggressively crashing out over random things and has been pretty active on her pl recently. wouldn't be surprised if she's considering her options.

>>101867218
>>101867730
part of me wants EN to just completely die out of sheer fucking spite @all the hugbox faggots going "WOOOOW look at this guy, this is CURAAAZAAAAYYY KOOOKY SCHIIIZO talk there is no WAAAY anything is wrong, everything is good and perfect with EN" for even tacitly trying to legitimately talk about the direction of the branch and why things have gone the way they have. they want to stick their heads in the sand? fine, let that sand just asphyxiate them and then we won't have to deal with the reddit chungus crowd making these scene to coddled and cloistered. false positivity is almost as bad as excess schizo negativity and they need to just be real fucking people and stop treating this like some disney princess shit.

>>101867218
>>101867730
Check out Kronii's most recent Twitter reply on her other account

>>101867179
Strongly dislike

>>101867849
while i agree with the premise of what you're saying, this is exactly the kind of post that gets you labeled as a schizo.

>>101867885
i'm well aware, and is one of the reasons i brought it up.

>>101867849
>calls a well-moderated forum a hugbox
2010 Tourists really ruined 4chan. It used to be just a place where hobbyists hang out.

>>101868131
in return I label those people who refuse to actually event attempt to discuss the fucking five alarm fire behind the scenes at holoEN, as mentally too deficient and incompetent to handle the topic. if they're literally going to fall apart at the seams facing the reality of our situation, we don't fucking need them. they're useless if they can't help and just keep pretending everything's great. that's what happens with weak autocrat regimes until they just suddenly completely crumble.

>>101868194
It's almost like it an otaku website.

>>101868194
doesn't work when your hobby it the human equivalent of console wars 2.0

>>101868194
there is a difference between moderation that lets people air out their thoughts vs ones scared of tough talks, because they assume 100% of its own audience cannot mentally handle such discussion in good faith and/or "there's no way anyone actually is distraught with anything you must be some insane person to think something's wrong." you want to be treated as children incapable of having independent thorough discussion about serious fucking matters regarding EN? you want a playpen only? let me get you your pacifiers and milk bottles and sippycups.

>>101868195
>the fucking five alarm fire behind the scenes at holoEN
Well, COVER really needs pivot to drop the "disagreement with management" and just be transparent with what exact disagreement IS there. Them shouldering things in general has created a situation wherein Talents who may be slightly disgruntled due to not getting what they think they are due, are trend chasing the Holo-Indie path.

>>101868265
The same people you describe are almost always deadbeat's

>>101866312
>Jesus Jesus, Japanesus
>Asian men get me higher than drugs
Bars.

>>101868355
>Asian men get me higher than drugs
I mean this does explain why she collabs with so many asian twinks.

>>101868446
>>101868355
>shaming weebs on 4chan.

Really spells out which ones are the tourists.

>>101868195
It's literally the "good times create weak men / hard times create strong men" meme coming to fruition. The weak men can't handle EN having issues and wants to just run away from seeing a hair of disharmony. Strong men face the headwinds and aren't afraid of the tough questions.

>>101854704
apologized for what?

>>101868486
>lusting after 3dpd
look again newfag

>>101868486
ever heard of concealing your power level? fag mori isn't a real weeb though, she's the equivalent of a male tranny competing in female sports, she just saw it as an easy avenue to launch her mediocre music

>>101868590
you're really a goldmine of projection.

>>101868629
you have 0 arguments

>>101868738
make a proper one first because you're literally doing the same tantrum Steve Jobs made after Windows got first released.

>>101868590
How is she not real weeaboo?