They should have done something to stop her.

HoloEN is dead without her.

>>101863745 (OP)
HoloEn is better without her.

>>101863745 (OP)
okay, now this is definitely a /bvtm/ raid. Time to leave the board for a few days again while he samefags for his twitter

>>101863745 (OP)
Just watch Phase.

Stop wasting your time on Holoslop.

>>101863745 (OP)
>expecting japanese companies to cater to western ideologies
keku roru rumao

>>101863775
fpbp

She's not streaming for Hololive now. She wasn't streaming for Hololive before. Nothing changed.

>>101863745 (OP)
it doesn't make a difference if she was there or not. oh wait... she doesn't stream.

>>101863775
it's actually pretty much the same she hardly ever streamed for years

>>101864755
Except now she's their direct competition, especially if she's serious about wanting to do concerts.

>>101863775
holoEN without SNOT is twitchwhore-tier and joking about league of legends is peak twitch whore humor

kindly keep your garbage subjective opinion to yourself

>>101864874
>chumbuds already seethe this hard
as expected from the worst fanbase in vtubing scene kek

>>101864865
Her having a concert is not Cover's problem unless she's such an incredible cunt that she literally overlaps a HoloEN concert with her own.
Regardless, what was Yagoo supposed to do? The only way to keep her would have been to throw even more money at her and he was already literally paying her to do nothing.

>>101863745 (OP)
It's one of those things where a star player gets traded and start trying again.
No amount of effort would've saved Gura, she was self-fulfilling a prophecy of resentment.

nobody in amelika watch my tarent any more time for sudoko

>>101863775
It's better off gone. Hololive is just Nijisanji going the speed limit

smells like samefag in here

>>101864874
Don't forget the bogos binted skibidi toilet stuff. Although I will say EN still has some super high quality girls in it however, it is not totally out of gas

However despite many of the recent graduates barely streaming besides Fauna, these were some of the most engaging and flavorful personalities of the branch especially in collabs (well not really Ame but the others absolutely).

Today's EN is more like an okay but blandish meal, sometimes in need of a bit of salt and pepper. Even if mooms and gura weren't streaming much, they were still at least a possibility to be the backup insurance for kino, like knowing we at least did have sugar and spices etc in the cupboard that potentially could still be used sometimes. But now it's exactly "what you see is what you get" and there isn't that reassuring feeling. And a permanent feeling of loss that a lot of nice things and interactions with the branch are a factual impossibility now.

>>101863745 (OP)
They didn't let Gura go.
They let Ame go.
What they didn't know was that Gura only stayed because of Ame.
After Ame left, there was nothing they could do to keep Gura.
They should have worked harder to keep Ame.

why rife is so unfail (cries), why arways rose

>>101863775
>Nijisister behavior

>>101863745 (OP)
I'm guessing the newest Holo hires are under more strict contracts to prevent exactly this from happening. Truth is they likely didn't expect HoloEN to take off, likely thinking they'd have a niche Stars or ID style fanbase.

>>101863745 (OP)
Because she ended her contract?
She probably didn't want to deal with being the front person for an entire company where everything she does and says could harm her coworkers. That and getting projects cancelled I assume.

dries his eyes
starts crying again

>>101864874
>SNOT all fucked off halfway through the year
deserved, fucking god awful anti fanbase.

>>101864865
Holo concert tickets sell out within a day, there is no competition here, especially if Saba is doing everything herself.

>>101863745 (OP)
Holobros… it wasn’t supposed to end up like this…

>>101863745 (OP)
Quick reminder on who creates these threads and why are they not removed

>>101863745 (OP)
>Fucking Cover, such a black company, makes Gura don't want to stream.
>Fucking Cover, why it is not a black company to force Gura to stay and stream.
kekaroo

>>101864874
This guy is almost convincing me to stop caring about holo

>>101863745 (OP)
They got Biboo now, who actually likes streaming.

>>101865133
>paying her to do nothing.
The amount of money they made off of Gura, with little in return, was very insulting.
Cover was making money while doing nothing.

>>101865940
Maybe they shouldn't fuck over Ame even after her affiliation. No news on Nendo, collab cover song delayed, no Ame in EN concert when Kiara got Ame with two messages. Ame is still kind to them because she's too kind, but Gura is different.

Why didn't Gura ever stream?

>>101863745 (OP)
>Why did Cover let Gura go?
It's simple (shrimple).

Japanese salarymen managers thought they could command the top talents (Gura, Mumei, Fauna, Ame). That isn't the case for Westerners. Managers are seen in the West as facilitators who "manage" problems rather than leaders. The talents themselves in the Western conception are leaders.

So because Gura and the other girls would not kowtow to come wageslave nobody, they got fired/left the company. You can't tell the people who drive your success that they must listen to some non-creative gook in his 20s.

>>101863745 (OP)
SNO-Ame won. Gura was the Stone Cold of VTubing and EN is just like the WWE after the attitude era, all the top talent left, the vibes changed, the product isn't what anyone wants, and worst of all the face of the new era is wigger Cena/Mori

>>101863775
FPBP

>>101873949
Lumping Ame into your imaginary clique is stupid when she went to Japan just to hang out with Ina & Zeta.

>>101872376
depression tends to kill motivation

>>101863745 (OP)
it's funny to see cover try to stir anti-saba sentiment with fake raids and vague calli tweets lol
they only know how to deal with the jp audience, not en

>>101874216
>AmeSame is imaginary
next level cope

>>101863745 (OP)
At the end of the day, if someone wants to quit, you can't stop them. Cover actually did a pretty good job of retaining her, considering the fact that she obviously wanted to quit for over 2 years.

Crying yellow man belongs on /jp/ now his America game is too weak for this board

>>101874491
>Amesame means Ame wants to win against Hololive.
>When Dooby went to Japan to hang out with the girls, twice.
Retard.

>>101875070
>thinks the talent is the same as the corpo
pathetic

>>101874271
Cry me a fucking river
What about the lies about the projects she was working on (No one else had issues getting projects done, and you'd think they'd bend over backwards to accommodate such a large streamer), and how she totally was coming back to stream (and not just make sure your membership didn't get pruned). Gura is a lazy asshole and Chumbuds are retards.

>>101875037
>HoloEN concert: 12k tickets instantly sold out
>Indie avengers concert: 1.6k seats not sold out
Yeah Nimi didn't do as well as expected.

>>101863745 (OP)
>i have the high ground
>*does a flip*

>>101863775
holoEN is dying.

>>101864755
>>101864865
>5
i just want to hear her sing sad songs in her cute voice, so that i can feel as if i'm in a shady bar listening to sad jazz music.

she needs to get a jazzy backdrop so she can sing to us during our depression.

>>101864865
>competition
dumbass

>>101875501
>Gura is a lazy asshole
If she were lazy, she'd have joined the affiliate program and earned money effortlessly from her IP. Instead, she took the bold route, rejected the easy path, and cut ties with Cover, ending the IP entirely. Starting fresh and rebuilding from scratch? That's the opposite of lazy. Lazy is staying in a corporate setup, following orders, and just "making the donuts." Cover's new direction is holding EN back. More Enreco to come. What a waste of money and time. Gura's least popular VOD of her whole career. Forced to do more of that if she stayed in.

As shown, Saba does not need to rely on a corpo to be successful. And she'll keep doing it again.
Must be a relief that she can keep all the she earned, instead of a corpo profiting off of her success like the last 5 years.

>>101875843
Explain the concert destroying Nimi's concert?
Is Nimi dying?

>>101864865
>Competition is when saba fan also watching holo.
That's a funny type of competition, I've never seen it happen to niji, phase, or indie though. I remembered that post of nimi cutout at a tapir zoo with holofan plushie, but never phase, niji or indie.

>>101864874
>SNOT
You mean SNO. One of them is still there.

>>101875245
>Ame wants the corpo where her friends work to go under.
>Ame wants anyone to go under.
Retard, at least pretend you watched Ame.

>>101877003
>If she were lazy, she'd have joined the affiliate program and earned money effortlessly from her IP.
You mean like she did for most of 2022, and 2025, and all of 2023 and 2024?
>Instead, she took the bold route, rejected the easy path, and cut ties with Cover, ending the IP entirely. Starting fresh and rebuilding from scratch?
Anon her entire indie career thus far has just been "Hey did you know you I was Gawr Gura from Hololive!?" In fact it's such a unfreash start that she basically copy-pasted Gura's aesthetic onto her new persona, it's such a lazy rehash lol
>Cover's new direction is holding EN back
More like it's separating the wheat from the chaff
It's pretty clear a lot of the girls who left either don't care for (or Mumei's case literally can't participate) for a lot of the idolshit and multitude of concerts that Cover has the girl doing more recently
In fact, it's not surprising that all of the ENs who left were hired pre-2022, i.e when COVID lockdowns prevented them from including ENs in a lot of that stuff
>As shown, Saba does not need to rely on a corpo to be successful. And she'll keep doing it again.
Again, her entire success as Saba leans very on the fact she was popular as an corpo, she'd have a fraction of the popular if it weren't for that. We saw what it looked like she tired to stream as Sen and her celling was being a mid-3view

>>101863775
Not really better, just completely unaffected. Gura was absent since June 2022.

>>101878611
>Anon her entire indie career thus far has just been "Hey did you know you I was Gawr Gura from Hololive!?" In fact it's such a unfreash start that she basically copy-pasted Gura's aesthetic onto her new persona, it's such a lazy rehash lol

Anon she's done nothing of the sort. This is the exact same thing I've heard talked about Dooby, Nimi, Mint, Doki, etc. and it hasn't been true for any of them. Especially not on week 1

>>101875501
>No one else had issues getting projects done
Come on bro.

>>101875501
Cover made my oshi cry multiple times and ruined multiple projects be it for EN or JP girls

>>101877087
>He thinks selling 12k seats with a whole branch + multiple jp invites is a big deal

>>101875501
>No one else had issues getting projects done
Coverdrone ladies & gentlemen.

>>101872406
Speak of Mumei is autistic and Gura antis are schizos.

>>101879742
Well yes, it'll have been the biggest vtuber concert to have happened on American soil

>>101879742
There are no JP invites and if you divide both concerts sold tickets by amount of participants holoEN's ratio is more than twice that of Nimi's.
Guess it's fucking over for her.

>>101878611
Something that Saba understands that corpos do not, is that it is the fans that ultimately choose who becomes popular. Taking away her freedom is what pushed her out.
Corpos are known to search for diamonds in the rough, but Gura was already polished. Senzawa had more subscribers than any in Hololive before joining. Senzawa was the third most subscribed vtuber in the world, to be beaten by Gawr Gura. Her run to 4 million was her ability to attract those outside of the vtuber niche. Before her disagreements with Cover and starting to write that Ash Again song, she was still growing strong. It would be over 5 million subs easily by now. Blame Cover to cause her to quiet quit and to start preparing to "Do it Again."

Cover keeps losing the streamers with the most erotic models. They're fucked if they lose Ina

>>101879926
>Counting Hyuni & Ashton.

>>101879742
Isn't it 6k over two days with separate tickets and not 12k? Many people will attend both days, it's not actual 12k unique seats.

>>101878611
Is it a coincidence that Myth's greatest years were when they were separated from Cover, having to do most everything by themselves? Shit went downhill fast when they got more involved, almost killing EN. Giving Cover too much recognition for EN's success.

>>101879968
>Something that Saba understands that corpos do not, is that it is the fans that ultimately choose who becomes popular.
If she actually understood that then she would've bothered to stream a lot more considering her streams were/are popular
>Taking away her freedom is what pushed her out.
You sound like circa 2021 Vshojofag ranting about "muh talent freedum" lol
Tell me, what "freedom" did they take from her?
If anything they gave her TOO much freedom considering they allowed her to basically sit around with her thumb up her ass for 75% of her career, instead making her stream or create music
>Senzawa had more subscribers than any in Hololive before joining.
That's honestly not really saying much considering the overwhelming majority of Hololive memebers pre-Myth were all NND users
>Senzawa was the third most subscribed vtuber in the world
Calling Senzawa a "vtuber" and the "third must subbed" is really a stretch, man lol
Her actual attempt at vtubing with the "Senzawa" persona was really short lived all things considering, and as mentioned before she basically peaked at being a 3view, furthermore her subscribes mostly came from a lot of the short-form meme videos she posted as opposed to streams (she didn't even stream on that channel, she used twitch)
>Her run to 4 million was her ability to attract those outside of the vtuber niche
Her run to 4 million, while admittingly impressive; was mostly just her coasting along from the benefit debuting during vtubers biggest "boom" period and the algorithm being in love with her channel
She rarely, if ever really *did* anything to reach people outside of the vtuber niche besides passively exist, she was able to reach those people because Youtube itself was quite literally placing her on their doorstep
>starting to write that Ash Again song
Casey Edwards wrote it, and also I doubt the song corresponds to her "disagreements", it was likely written months before she had even decided to quit
>she was still growing strong. It would be over 5 million subs easily by now.
That's doubtful
Her sub rate slowed MASSIVELY thanks to being MIA most of the time, even when she would occasionally stream, it wouldn't really budge all that much
>Blame Cover to cause her to quiet quit and to start preparing to "Do it Again."
I blame her abusing her potion as "the most subbed vtuber" to basically to basically hold Cover, and her co-workers in Hololive hostage for several years, as well endlessly leading her fans on like carrot on a stick to horse

>>101863745 (OP)
More like gura dodging a bullet

>>101882124
>Reddit reply

>>101882499
>No argument

They convinced themselves they didnt NEED the talents, holoearth would rake in billions and their original holoearth characters would be even more popular as management had complete creative control over them
Then HoloEarth released and nobody cared

>>101863745 (OP)
It's almost like Gura is her own person with agency and everything.

>>101883885
Holoearth released? Like, a final, not beta version?

>>101882124
>before she had even decided to quit
Though the song took nearly two years to create, her "uh oh" tweet from her Senzawa account signaled she was done. She had already begun voicing discontent with management during her membership streams.
Despite any deal with Cover to keep her on, she effectively became an affiliate, finishing her projects with corporate obligations. Cover continued to underestimate her, yet Guranium and Shushiro merch sold out in under a week for both month-long events. Her merch, like iPass, kept shattering records. Exhausted from HoloFes with no rest, she flew straight to Taiwan for promotions, proving karaoke could drive concert attendance.
>Her sub rate slowed MASSIVELY thanks to being MIA most of the time,
Ironically, when Gura and Ina were on break, it was only those two still getting new subs in Myth. You forgot how dead EN became, other than Fauna, thanks to Cover's direction. Gura was still retaining high subs for a long while before the algorithm dropped her.

Gura didn't just cause millions to fall down the rabbit hole from the West, but for the whole world. She still has large number of fans from Russia, Singapore, and even China. And the worst thing about losing Gura, is that Cover gained a fierce competitor. Her strength is yet to be seen. She plans on doing concerts and already has Tecmo following her new account.

>>101884756
Yes, the 1.0 Full release happened on April 24th, almost nobody noticed or cared

>>101884821
I remember a bunch of talents streamed the beta. Did they just not bother with the full release?

>>101879968
mumei was higher subs

>>101884909
They've been streaming and doing ingame events to try and promote it, people just do NOT want this shit.

>>101884947
IRyS didn't, so I had no idea.

>>101882124
>>101884790


I don't believe frequency of streams and popularity directly correlate for her and that's probably what set her apart from other vtubers. Most of the audience she attracted and continues to attract were outside the vtuber audience who don't watch live streams, (what one would consider a casual or normal fag basically) but clips and past VODs. Even for her current vids, there are comments of randos saying the VOD came up as a rec who had never seen this type of content before. It's unfortunate that she would stop streaming for months at a time starting end of 2022, but I'm of the belief if she had sporadically streamed a few times a month most people wouldn't have even noticed as long as they were getting drip fed since youtube algorithm would give the illusion of there being new stuff. I

>>101884947
Does it still have that wannabe Rust mode?

>>101884982
Gura’s global fanbase across multiple time zones makes CCV an unreliable metric for her popularity. While others may boast higher CCV, Gura’s VODs amass a million views in under a month. On YouTube, ad revenue comes from VODs, not ad-free streams, meaning Gura’s earnings far exceed what her CCV suggests.

>>101884947
companies not understanding people aren't moving away from games that already do the exact same fucking thing

>>101878611
>>101877003
>If she were lazy, she'd have joined the affiliate program and earned money effortlessly from her IP.
>You mean like she did for most of 2022, and 2025, and all of 2023 and 2024?

I assure the both of you that she was still having frequent "why wasn't this an email" type of corporate meetings in addition to legitimate project meetings during those times. Asian companies particularly those from Japan and Korea and Taiwan are notorious for draining your soul (I'm currently in one because my company was acquired recently) along with language barrier. I don't believe for a second it was easy coasting even if she wasn't streaming.

>>101885112
ad revenue is like 0.01% of earnings, it literally doesnt matter for anyone this size

>>101885174
People dont understand how shit being a corporate ambassador is, how she was expected to represent cities, sports teams, fish gutting companies, all sorts of retarded shit

If they have any major projects they want to pursue, they must travel to Japan or live there to complete them, but they don’t want to go to Japan multiple times a year, stay for weeks or even months, and deal with jet lag. If they could do what they want in their hometown, what reason would they have to stay with Hololive? The primary reason is not wanting to frequently travel to Japan.

>>101884790
>fans from Russia, Singapore, and even China
>conveniently forgot India and SEA, the hotspots for chumkeks

>>101885230
Knife goes in, guts come out.
https://youtu.be/cIosb69x9iI

>>101885231
the primary reason is not having to run your shitpost jokes by the committee of governance of Chuokoron-Shinsha kabushiki kaisha at 3am

>>101885191
Youtube ad revenue is no joke.
https://youtu.be/KUIaoqUOw5A?si=9jcjCzzEloQ8Pqj8&t=274

Saba now gets that without giving a 30-50% cut to a corpo for nothing.

>>101884790
>She plans on doing concerts
And she'll keep planning on doing concerts! Just like all her big Holo projects. Might even plan to do a world tour. Because in the end it's all the planning that count, right?

>>101885237
List is too big to name them all.

>>101884790
>fierce competitor.
They're not competing, anon.
There's plenty of room for both of them

>>101885334
Enough to continue her dreams and make her happy. That is all that matters.

>>101885334
Without hololive keeping her on full-time mascot duty she might just get past planning.

>>101885231
>The primary reason is not wanting to frequently travel to Japan.

No Japan's fucking need for corporate governance on everything they do is the issue.

>>101885313
It's this right here. Every fucking game being streamed needs to be run by a committee and then they have to go formally request rights to the license holder.

>>101885112
Mori has more views than Gura

>>101885386
We all know it's mostly song views. Just stop it.
YouTube ads kick in on 10min+ videos.

>>101885427
You mean shorts.

Those Hololive EN members who do not live in Japan will eventually graduate

>>101885386
Doesn't mori have like 15x the videos?

>>101885464
The ones in japan will eventually graduate too.
It's a job not an appointed for life position

>>101885464
I hope Rissa does a Superb Owl watchalong before then.

>>101885386
>>101885427
>Mori, a shitload of HoloJPs and even nijiJPs have more vod views than Gura
>Cumbuds: doesn't count
>CookieswirlC has more subs than Gura and Marine will also have more subs in a few months
>Cumbuds: doesn't count
>There's a bunch of holoJPs and nijiJPs that easily destroyed Gura's ccv
>Cumbuds: doesn't count
She's number 1 if you if you ignore reality.

>>101885427
NTA but
>We all know it's mostly song views
No? Mori has always had really strong VoD viewership
That combination VoD + Song viewership was why nobody in EN has ever really come close to touching her in views

Fate of every corpo vt is sooner or later to go indie. You cannot contain a talent. That being said, there are some who knows that they wont float in free market environment and they stay in corpo forever, which is fine too.

>>101871932
>delivers unimaginable money and fame on a silver platter
>all we ask is you stream sometimes like everyone else
>shill a bit like everyone else
>do idolshit like everyone else
>carry the fame and money gracefully like your senpai
>like Sora
>Gura?
>garlic bread?
>

>>101885427
Mori has more views on VODs than Gura for the past year. And she's not even the leader, Biboo has more than double of Gura's. That's what happens if you actually stream.

>>101885493
>being forced to do things you dont like
>with people you dont like
>at timetable you dont like
You can only imagine how she hated her life that even riches couldnt sway her to stay.

>>101885504
The agencies that could survive in the long run are those like Night media that handles legal and marketing stuff in the background, with their main income from cuts in merch and sponsors

My 2 pesos

>>101885570
Meant to
>>101885517

>>101884790
>HoloEN concert sold out without Gura. >Their new sushi merch sold out first day without Gura.
>The viewership stays the same.
>Yagoo still doing first pitch at Dodgers.
Negligible.

>>101864865
>Except now she's their direct competition, especially if she's serious about wanting to do concerts
I too remember how "no Gura/Fauna no buy" resulted in the holoEN concert being a flop
Oh wait, the exact opposite happened.

People tend to forget that not everyone in the world can stand and weather nipshit idol culture. Japanese work culture is a crime against humanity and barely legal in the first place. Fuck em

>>101885331
outlier

>>101885613
No Gura makes some level of sense, but no second worst singer in the company no buy would baffle me.

>>101885375
she's made that very obvious with her "infinite buffet" of old game choices

>>101885494
>Mori has always had really strong VoD viewership
stop it.
Relook at her live views. Other than the charity streams, they are lower than Gura's worst VOD (ENRECO) of her whole career.

And it's not about total views. The streaming views don't make squat since there are no ads, but the views after streaming on the VOD are what make money on YouTube. Gura gets many VOD views after streaming.

>>101885525
>>101885494
>>101885493
>>101885386

This isn't honest comparison of stats for all of you arguing.

Mori has more total views than Gura, this is a fact at 751,518,271 compared to 451,651,682. However Mori has 1539 vids compared to Gura's 565 vids. This means Gura has more average views per video than Mori does.

>>101885651
if they accept reality they can't shit on 1,6k concert anymore

>>101885331
This fag has more subscribers then all of HoloEN combined and gets Saba debut number of views on a regular video. Not exactly a good comparison.

>>101885723
deadbraps can't even do kindergarten math

>>101885723
Suisei has almost half of Gura's lifetime views on a single video.
QED Gura is worthless according to you.

>>101885645
>outlier
That's Senzawa, Gura, and Saba

Asmongold says the same, Youtube ad revenue is no joke for 10+ minute VODs.

>>101885738
he also has insanely high rpm and has super long videos that people fall asleep to which get even more money

>>101863745 (OP)
Trump's tariffs basically kill most of merch sale from jap. All en merchs are hit by it. So they believe western vtubing market stagnated and let en die. But the powerful return of saba proved their speculation is wrong. She rose to power, sold out merch instantly became the dream of many indies in less than a week.

>>101885749
Reading comprehension. Short music videos don't make much, though better than shorts.
It's 10+ minute vods that have the most ads. It's the ads that make money.

>>101885753
https://youtu.be/EgHU3-vligA?t=473
quiet. asmon doesn't even have monetization on twitch what the fuck does he know

>>101885723
It is an honest comparison. Noone stopped Gura from making more videos, and average views mean fuck all.

>>101885723
>This means Gura has more average views per video than Mori does.
Literally who gives a shit about views per video?
Seriously, on what planet would that ever matter, you ridiculous spreadsheet shitter?
Mori gets more views because she actually puts out content.

>>101885783
>burnout isn't real
roru rumao

>>101885700
>Desperate chumkek keeps moving goalposts, vol.69

>>101885766
>Trump's tariffs
omocat struck gold if their stuff are made stateside. Lucky bastards

>>101863745 (OP)
She left 2 years ago. Who cares?

The new meta for upcoming talents is to get into corpo for a few years, get following and graduate into indie. Its a well oiled machine.

>>101885846
posted about 5 times a day for the last 2 year, a lot of people care

>>101885810
Have you never heard the phrase work smarter not harder?

>>101885816
>burnout from <2 streams per month
roru rumao
how long until saba burns out?

>>101885867
it's not about the streams you fucking dipshit

>>101885863
>X person produces 5 money from 5 videos, and will keep producing videos regularly
>Y person produces 3 money from 2 videos, and stopped producing videos 3 years ago

Which person in this case would make more money and be of more value?

>>101885772
Ludwig said the same. To multistream.
That one stream is not an outlier when Charlie lists other streams performing well too.

>>101885885
the person who gets more important brand deals regardless of producing more slop

>>101885890
he spends 15 minutes after going through his vods showing its an outlier, and that doesn't remove the fact that charlies rpm is 4x higher than another big creator

>>101885879
Nah, I know. It's about her fans being retarded faggots like you. That could indeed push anyone into depression.

>>101885894
So again, Mori.
Because Gura doesn't do anythig.
Thanks for playing, anon.

>>101879229
Then why did she return as another blue-tailed fish?

>>101885912
cyber bullying isnt real just walk away from the pc

>>101885927
Why not?

>>101885913
delusional deadbrap

>>101885842
It's not that hard to find a different supplier. So many countries are eager to make cheap stuff, and at a lower price.
Cover sits on their ass as usual. And they are still doing pre-orders of Chinese stuff that doesn't get made 9 months from now.
Trump is finalizing trade with Vietnam soon.

>>101882124
>Casey Edwards wrote it, and also I doubt the song corresponds to her "disagreements", it was likely written months before she had even decided to quit
So he wrote the song without any input from her, and she sang the lyrics without any thought about its meaning?

>>101885908
Gura is an outlier too. She gets way more views after the stream than other vtubers.
And Short music videos and shorts don't give much ad revenue.

>>101885999
>gets way more views after the stream than other vtubers
Still not enough to beat those who stream regularly

>>101885890
ludwig said there is no difference where you stream as long as you upload the vod to a vod channel

>>101885965
>Vietnam
So same old same old, only differences is you get made in vietnam printed on the label instead of china.

>>101886058
.ie use youtube

>>101886087
well no the live revenue is higher on twitch, they both say that

>>101886086
I'm kind of shocked that China's current higgest production item isn't made in Korea tags.

>>101886100
Because twitch gives you ton of ads on live view.

>>101863745 (OP)
The concert is doing well and amazing, why would holo yagoo need a lazy bitch?

>>101886135
because there's more than concerts holodrone

>>101886086
The difference is that this trade agreement is ceasing China's loophole
Vietnam is getting tired of it themselves and why they were the first to go to Trump for this agreement.

>>101886149
merchs? last time I check its selling amazing well too
streaming? it's the same as always

>>101886212
Selling Gura as a spokesperson is huge money and they did it over and over.

>>101886212
>streaming? it's the same as always
factually incorrect but keep your head in the sand

>>101886212
>streaming? it's the same as always
grim

>>101886115
Korea is stopping that too.
Now applying crippling fines if caught.
Unsure if that's enough for Trump though.

>>101885427
>B-but it's unfair, they have songs! And Gura didn't make any! But she said she wants to!
Chumkeks are funny

>>101885810
>>101885783

Avg views per vid are important here because we have established Gura’s popularity isn’t coming primarily from streams when they are Live but when they are over. Gura has some sort “born with silver spoon” attribute where each VOD attracts a higher level of engagement compared to her fellow Myth members. It indicates that either more of her content is enjoyable (which is why peeps keep pointing out she attracts people who normally don’t watch vtubers) or that others like Mori have lots of uninteresting VODs with low levels of viewership dragging the average down.

>>101885700
>they are lower than Gura's worst VOD (ENRECO) of her whole career.
Ok?
That's more of a byproduct of the fact that Gura streamed significantly less often than Mori and thus her VoD have more time to accumulate views
Lets just look at their most recent streams
>Graduation stream from 2 months
>Final gen collab from 2 months ago
>Final solo stream from 2 months ago
>Final collab with Mumei from 2 months ago
>1st Zatsu after graduation announcement from 2 months ago
>REPO collab from 2 months ago
>Memgen
>Collab from 4 months ago
>Collab from 4 months ago
>Normal solo stream from 4 months ago
>Collab from 5 months ago
In comparison Mori
>Normal solo stream from a few hours ago
>Charity collab from 3 days ago
>Charity collab from 4 days ago
>Collab announcement from 6 days ago
>Normal solo stream from 11 days ago
>Normal solo stream from 12 days ago
>Memgen
>Normal solo stream from 2 weeks ago
>Memgen
>Memgen
>Collab from 2 weeks ago
>Zatsu stream from 2 weeks ago
My point wasn't "who gets the most VoD views between Gura and Mori on average" it was "Mori pulls a good amount of viewership from VoD views on average"
Which is why you can't see that she had more total and monthly views than Gura and handwave it by saying "its all because of music" No it's not

>>101886339
>more time cope
I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened

>>101886334
Nobody with anything resembling common nsense gives a shit about the average you /#/brained retard.
One person is producing goods.
Another person isn't.
It's that simple.

>>101886334
>It indicates that either more of her content is enjoyable
Or that she has 2-4x more subs, you fucking moron.

My point is that live stream views, which lack ads, generate minimal revenue. It’s the ad-supported VOD views post-stream that drives earnings. The number of ads watched is what counts. Mori’s still raking in money, but VOD views after streaming can’t match Gura’s.

Only people who eat rice give a fuck about cover now, gura is the fucking gook killer

>>101886398
Mori has more VOD views than Gura for the past year streams. Biboo has more VOD views than Gura for the past year streams. You have no point, you are just retarded.

>>101886362
>I ain't reading all that.
You don't wanna read it cuz you know Gura's average VoD viewership would look much worse if she actually streamed more than 5 times once ever 2 months

>>101886464
Reading comprehension again.
They don't get more views after streaming. What you see on total views is mostly during streaming. Not VOD views that come with ads after streaming.

>>101886490
no youre just coping.
thats all you got

>>101886491
>They don't get more views after streaming. What you see on total views is mostly during streaming
Anon that's just not true since you can literally VoD views progressively tick up-ward, hours or even days after they were live

>>101886491
>What you see on total views is mostly during streaming
Yep, you are just retarded.

>>101886490
gura would literally be the first youtuber in the history of youtubing to get favored in the algo for NOT streaming in your retarded fantasy land

>>101886554
I'm not the one using Biboos botted numbers in an argument.

>>101886490
They guy that did the hours watched chart, made a rule that had to stream at least 6 times a month.
Because if add Gura, she'd still be in the top 20 of Hololive with very little streams.

>>101886568
>gura would literally be the first youtuber in the history of youtubing to get favored in the algo for NOT streaming
The algo favors her because her old VoDs still passively accumulate views even during her hiatus
This Duolingo one for example shown up in my recommended for close to 3 years now

>>101886593
>look, I've found a new cope!
Bots don't count as views, you are just retarded.

>>101886656
Did you just call someone a retard after saying something so retarded?

>>101886656
false, the infinite incline viewfarm does count

>>101886491
What makes you think for Gura it's VOD views and for the others it's not?

>>101886687
Views after stream, then a million views later after stream.
As someone pointed above, many of her over-year-old vods continually gets views.
The power of Gawr Gura.

You guys have such odd opinions compared to the rest of the internet. I like to imagine I'm seeing through a window I to the Twilight Zobe.

>>101886670
Don't bots block ads? For the purpose of revenue they'd be useless.

>>101886746
No ads during YouTube streaming (unless they add them). But those views do count on the vod.

>>101886829
I get an ad at six hours like clockwork.

>>101886593
10-20k bot views (even for every stream) are negligible when it's 40M vs 20M

>>101886708
Others have that too. Not a million (Gura doesn't get a million either), but proportional to the sub count. And if they stream more often - they get more total VOD views in the end.
The power of not being lazy.

>>101885359
Lmao she is goign to get into the first steps of planning for one and realize it is far more work than just showing up for recordings like it was in hololive.

>>101886924
When you've got license to print money you hire other people to do the actual work.

>>101886964
Is that what Nimi and Doob did with those two nonames?

>>101886619
>Because if add Gura, she'd still be in the top 20 of Hololive with very little streams.
No, he did that because he didn't want Holos to have fucked up looking stats based off a limited sample size

>>101886904
Again, it's not about total vod views.
If want to argue that she makes more than Gura streaming once a month, you win.
Gura gets most of her views after streaming, and that is what makes ad revenue. More ads, more money. That does not come from streaming that has no ads. Get it?
Gura having a worldwide audience that watches her VODs, actually makes her more money, than watching her live.
When Gura was not streaming, her channel was still receiving more views than most all vtubers, and she doesn't have many songs.
Her dead Senzawa account got 781,030 views in the month of Oct, 2022. It continually gets thousands of views daily, though it has skyrocketed recently.

Man, this board is so fucking boring now.. It's literally all just Saba bait and seethe threads with the exact same copy-paste replies. And no, this isn't Holofags seething etc., which is obvious to anyone with any working brain cells.

>>101887018
same thing

>>101887017
Two no names who doubtless sounded worlds better than either of them.

>>101887030
>>101887030
>Gura gets most of her views after streaming
You just keep repeating the same thing without any proof or real arguments. Why do you think that her ratio of during/after streaming is different from everyone else?
>When Gura was not streaming, her channel was still receiving more views than most all vtubers
Any proof of that for example?

>>101887108
Plenty of YouTube stat sites.
Check it yourself.

Chance for you to come back a post a pic if I'm wrong.

>>101887134
Nope, that's your claim to prove

third worlders and orientals are impressed by brands ah look at me i eat mcdonalds very famous but americans are only impressed by celebrities and when the celebrity leaves a brand it fucking dies
you do not understand now that gura has already killed hololive because all your culture is downstream from america by a few months to a few years depoending on how backwards your shithole is compared to america but one day soon it will dawn on you fucking monkeys

>>101887202
Lost all my old pics,
When they were shitting on Gura for not streaming, I'd show charts of Gura having more views than all Nijisanji members that were streaming. Tied with Pomu.

Now need an account to look far back.

>>101887231
Well, that's convenient.

>>101887247
Senzawa's account was even beating them, for a while she was still getting 20k viewers on some days. Though dropped to around 7k per day, still impressive for a long-dead account. But hit over a million the month Gura graduated.

>>101887231
>Kurosanji out of nowhere
Who gives a fuck about them? The discussion was about how Mori and Biboo have more VOD views.

>>101887305
It's all I can remember, that Gura during her absence was still getting more views on her channel than most all vtubers.

It just doesn't feel right for half of Myth and Council to be gone
Advent is great and all, but they're not the ones we all spent 3 years with at the height of the vtubing boom
It feels like part of HoloEN's soul is missing, and adding new talents isn't going to fix that feeling

>>101887328
So you have no proof for your initial claim?

>>101887367
Life sucks in general. Everyone will leave eventually.

>>101887367
It sucks, but so long as my oshi is still going strong all is right with the world.

>>101887415
Cover nearly destroyed your oshi's throat with the way they handeled her project by the way

>>101864874
>>101865662
This shit is the problem. I'd happily enjoy watching HoloEN again if they removed the worst offenders.
Why can't Cover understand we want to watch cute weeb girls and not twitch whores who enjoy making league of legends jokes and regurgitating tiktok content?

>>101887513
But she pulled through and her music since the Carbonated Love arc has been pretty fire.

>>101887564
Because that's not what Cover does. Most holoJPs aren't weeb girls either, they are a niconico equivalent of twitch whores. If you don't rike - look for a different company.

>>101873949
Gura is more like Hulk

>>101887566
Idk, I liked her first singles better minus the ESL lyrics. Fuck eurobeat.

>>101887635
But why is Big Shark so tiny?

>>101887653
CoD is still my favorite song, but CL and DG are serious bangers.

>>101887513
Why are these so damaging to their voices?

>>101863745 (OP)
They already let her get away with streaming like once a month on average while still paying her one bajillion dollars

What else could they do?

>>101887675
She's already got a not so durable throat and they made her do marathon recording sessions full of vocal gymnastics.

>>101887703
And pimping out her likeness for one gorillion dollars.

>>101887703
They dont pay her a penny you mong, they leech money off her

>>101887741
That's what they hired her for though. Should have done the audition better, I guess. How many songs has she released since then?

>>101887675
because instead of saying "We want you to have 12 songs in 12 months so let's do 1 a month" they say "Record 12 right now and we'll get back to you in a year about it"

>>101887793
>t. least delusional chumbud
>>101887827
Noone records albums 1 song per month

>>101887899
And no one with sense makes their vocalists record on such a strenuous schedule as to do permeant damage.

>>101887899
>Noone records albums 1 song per month
I literally just did this with a vtuber working on the soundtrack for my game

>>101887963
She didn't end up with permanent damage in the end, did she? So they've adjusted when it became apparent she's not up for the job. What's the problem?
>>101887996
indi dev shitters are not the same as supposedly professional singers

>>101863775
Fippy bippy but honestly it makes no difference, she isn't the influencer she used to be

>>101888068
Yes, she fucking did. Permenant damage doesn't mean her voice has disappeared or something retarded. Because of what she went through she has less vocal stamina than before and is more likely to reinjure herself in the future if she isn't careful.

>>101888068
cope faggot, she's in a corpo

>>101887827
Since when is IRyS making a whole album?

This is a phase board, why are you trying to troll Holofans on a phaseboard?

>>101888164
I despise Hololive for injuring IRyS.

>>101888164
Looks like she didn't have much vocal stamina to begin with.
>>101888278
>she's in a corpo
kek, I was talking about you, indi game shitter

>>101888322
Seems to work, maybe you're overestimating the phase-ness of the board

>>101863775
fpbp
At the next EN live we can have more songs from talents that actually stream. It's a shame the same doesn't apply to Ame tho

>>101888422
>It's a shame the same doesn't apply to Ame tho
Why? Is she going to be at the live?

>>101864874
You know gura got her fame started from writing a song about being a whore for belle delphine and getting shitfaced on stream right

>>101887703
They could get them Ame.

>>101888514
so she's a clout chaser? makes sense why she doesn't stream at all when she was in blue doritos

>>101885859
It's not a lot of people, its a group of vocal retards.

>>101886382
One person is producing goods.
Another person isn't.
It's that simple.

Yes. The person producing goods is still getting results while another person is continuously producing goods that don't give the same level of engagement

>>101890634
goods are views aka engagement in this case, retard

>>101863745 (OP)
she didnt want to work and ghosted literally everyone, not much they could do

>>101863745 (OP)
XD