Thread 102168380

Now that the dust has settled. Why couldn't Nimi sell out a concert?

Because she can't sing.

no fish to carry the concert

>>102168380 (OP)
Going to a concert to see a vtuber is just a bad idea. If they happen to be decent singer, it's 'merely' overpaying by a mile to sit in on someone's karaoke. If they're a bad singer, there is no point. There are writers I enjoy, doesn't mean I get anything out of paying money to shake their hand or see them in person.

>>102168411
true story

>>102168380 (OP)
They got burned by the friend fiasco

>>102168380 (OP)
The expectations for the singing were low. But after the last one, I'm confident people will go now. Dooby tho...she is cute

>>102168380 (OP)
That's pretty good turnout for some weird independent concert considering her fanbase is spread across NA and I guess EU.

>>102168986
True, I don't know how the oshispark people did it but they managed to make both Nimi and Dooby sound good.

>>102169209
Some kind of auto tune? It doesn't sound as bad as a lot of pop stars who use auto tune, but you can hear there's a little flatness or tinny edge to their voices sometimes? Anyways like I said a bunch of pop stars use autotune and I guess I'll take this over them going way off key lol
I love them anyways

>>102168380 (OP)
Go and watch the concert sister

>>102168566
this, why not just tell fans to livestream THEMSELVES and get a bunch of people into a giant zoom call or something?

>>102168380 (OP)
She's not known for singing
She's barely known at all

>>102172428
>outnumberfags 80% of her old corpo
kek

>>102172428
She's known for playing Hitman while bald

It sold pretty well. In every video I've seen the place looks pretty full and people seem to be enjoying themselves. You can come up with better bait bro, please try harder

>>102168380 (OP)
She doesnt need to

>>102168380 (OP)
not enough scalpers

>>102170033
Based

>>102168566
>comparing Virtual Vacation
>or any vtuber concert
>to a fucking karaoke stream
Are you high?

>>102180772
This unironically. Meanwhile there’s like 1 thousand tickets up for resale for the HoloEN concert

>>102168380 (OP)
Because they chose a venue large enough to accommodate prospective ticket sales.
Frankly, looks like their estimates were right on the money. And nearly filling out a 1500-seat venue is damn impressive.

I like her, but she isn't known for her singing, which isn't bad, but it's more akin to the "good karaoke singer of the friend group" than an actual pro, but I heard she is improving (just as Dooby) so I'm rooting for her!

>>102168380 (OP)
This is the ceiling of English speaking vtubers without leeching their Japanese counterparts.

>>102168380 (OP)
We can't and shouldn't be parasocially engaging with her, remember? We're not friends, there needs to be boundaries, and paying money to go to her concert is parasocial as hell.

>>102170033
Nimi pimi

>>102183426
>not even Saba headlined
>thinks this won't increase oshispark's profile and raise the ceiling for western vtubers in the future
kek

>>102183218
Why didn't they improve while they were working at an idol company?

>>102168380 (OP)
Sounds like the concert went better than people were expecting. Good on her. Seethe some more for me, Brown.

>>102185669
Because the idol company didn't give them any incentive.

>>102182252
>And could more tickets be dropping soon?!

>>102187549
kek, where's the "12k sould out in seconds" faggot?

>>102169209
I'll go next time even if it somehow doesn't include Saba

>>102168380 (OP)
She didn't use the fish for pr purpose but a surprise for audience

People didn't know it was going to be the absolute kino that it was

>>102182154
It's literally the same thing

>>102189578
That's like saying why go to a stage show when I could see kids flailing around in my yard?

>>102189633
If it's the same kids in both situations doing the same thing, yes.

>>102189578
>>102189663
A stage show with 3D dance choreography, duets, interactive props, mocapped frets on their guitars and live MC segments with a crowd is, quite literally, not the same thing as a karaoke. At least pretend to have watched what you're writing bait about.

>>102189879
>3D dance choreography
Let's not pretend the 'choreography' of vtuber concerts is impressive
>duets
Like on a karaoke stream
>interactive props
okay?
>mocapped frets on their guitars
okay?
>live MC segments with a crowd
Almost like intermissions in karaoke streams

You're paying money to go somewhere and watch a screen displaying a karaoke stream with better tracking, as opposed to sitting at home and watching a screen displaying a karaoke stream

>>102189879
>akshually vchuuba concerts like real concerts, super important and costs bazillions, okay?!
all the stuff you listed is pure flair. I personally care only about their singing and it doesn't matter if she sings at home or in some suit doing usually some unremarkable side steps or whatever else. Also some hastily made low-detail 3D props that any retard can make or buy from unity store isn't anything special, come on...

>>102168566
I agree with this. I love vtubers, but I never got the appeal of attending a concert. It's just the stream with a worse view. At HoloFes, it's even worse because 2/3 of the time your oshi isn't even on a stage near you.

>>102168380 (OP)
They raised the bar on what to expect from an indie concert. To be honest, only two featured stars. Expect more to attend future events.

But with a fish, a karaoke would be enough to sell out.

I'm convinced half of the people commenting on the post about not seeing the appeal of live concerts are basement dwellers who light up a room reflectively when any light shines upon them
Live concerts are for the atmosphere. If you have any friends, go to some local band shows. It's the same reason it's more fun to drink with friends instead of drinking alone in your home in the dark. Even karaoke is meant to be fun not about singing ability. That's what recorded albums for. Have you never been to karaoke with friends?
the concert may have had less singing ability than holochuuba concerts but the mood of the crowd was much better. Everyone there felt like someone that truly wanted to be there and the performances were about having maximum fun instead trying to dick swing about who has the most vocal skills. Thats why the concert was amazing. You'll feel like a lame sack of shit cheering alone with penlights for a karaoke stream but in a crowd of people also happy to be at a concert is fun.

>>102190110
>cope 1: thinking people only ever care about "impressive" choreo from their oshis
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not only are you missing the point, but compare Nimi's choreo to what she did at fes, retard
>cope 2: muh duet karaoke
Because collab karaokes are so very common in either the exholo sphere or the world of infinite corpo red tape.
>cope 3: okay?
Uh, yeah? It was fucking sick. People were starstruck by Ashton's flag twirling in particular, which is how people were able to peg her for having been in a marching band.
>cope 4: okay?
That level of fine mocap is seriously impressive. Very technically impressive, especially for an indie concert.
>cope 5: comparing live MC with a crowd to yapping between songs to a fucking youtube chat audience
Your entire retarded spiel is the equivalent of asking "why does anyone go see bands perform live when you could just buy the studio album?"
>>102190162
>I personally don't care for live shows, therefore live shows don't appeal to people who DO care either
>Why would I want to support my oshi anyway?
>btw let mr write some cope fanfiction rq
Holy strawgrasping.

>>102190347
>Your entire retarded spiel is the equivalent of asking "why does anyone go see bands perform live when you could just buy the studio album?"
You're not seeing a vtuber live though, you're watching a screen.

>>102190374
On a screen... live. The MC segments were clearly not prerecorded.

>>102190383
That's still on a screen. To take your example, I wouldn't go watch bands in concert either if I got there and it's a screen livestreaming the band playing from somewhere else.

The difference between watching a band in-person and on a screen is not comparable to the difference between watching a vtuber on a big screen and on a small screen. The latter is barely different.

>>102190383
Karaoke streams are live too, that's not something that a concert uniquely adds in this case.

>>102190436
the difference is both the view and the sound are worse at a "live"

>>102190331
Except in reality this "atmosphere" is being crammed between two fat sweaty basement dwellers with a bunch more of them blocking your view. An unforgettable experience.

>>102190436
>y-y-yeah but it's still on a SCREEN so-
Fleshbands can't be compared to vtubers in this regard.
And again, you're completely overlooking the crowd and atmosphere elements. Cheering for the girls, waving penlights and interacting with them during MCs through your own voices and bodily motions is a world apart from sending messages in a chat box, as this anon points out >>102190331
>>102190457
The way in which you interact with them live is different. They are there, present at the venue if not on the stage, playing to the crowd instead of a silently scrolling chat box.
>>102190469
>A/V snobbery
Literally who the fuck cares? It's worth the downgrade in technical fidelity to be there in the crowd.
>>102190563
That's not what the people who were actually there said, and it's obviously not how they were feeling either considering their obvious energy that you could see on the VOD. Consider that you're just an asocial autistic retard who is to mentally and emotionally handicapped to judge reality accurately.

>>102190613
>Fleshbands can't be compared to vtubers in this regard.
Exactly, yet you did precisely that in this post >>102190347 when you said
>>Your entire retarded spiel is the equivalent of asking "why does anyone go see bands perform live when you could just buy the studio album?". They're not comparable. Saying you would pay for band tickets so paying for vtuber concerts is the same is therefore completely nonsensical.
>overlooking crowd and atmosphere elements
I am, because I do not value those

You pay hundreds of bucks to go to a location to watch a tv screen showing someone with 3D tracking and it's worth it because you're surrounded by fat unhygienic people yelling. You've sold me, I'll be at every concert from now on.

>>102190563
you could make that argument for standing room only venues at local shows or festivals, but venue seats like at vv are spaced out and angled down. angled meaning the person sitting in front of you is at a lower height so the person behind can see.
if you're having trouble seeing past at a proper concert venue that you must be ungodly short, like someone midget-class peter dinklage posting

>>102187549
>>102187627
You retards realize that they did this literally every year and it's extra seats they put up at the handicapped section because they went unclaimed?
Way to out yourself as braindead.

>>102190613
That's the holofes experience. And that is what other people "who were actually there" said as well. Haven't been to this one in particular but this discussion was more general.

>>102190668
Do you retard realize that whatever those seats are they were included into the 12k? 6k is this theater max capacity.

>>102190733
Is "people rounded up the total seats sold up because of handicapped seating so they didn't actually instantly sell out 12k" really the cope you're going with?

>>102185669
Is it possible to train someone to fix their tone deafness? I honestly don't know. If it is, then Cover should've tried harder, yeah. But maybe there's some things you just can't fix.

>>102190656
>Yet you did precisely that
No the fuck I did not - YOU did. A vtuber showing up on a screen at their live venue is not as underwhelming as a fleshband doing the same, because the former are vtubers and the latter is a fleshband. Stop trying to compare apples and space satellites.
>I do not value those
No one cares you autist. That isn't relevant to the topic at hand. If the topic of a discussion is the quality of one hotdog versus another hotdog, it's a non-sequitur for you to waltz up and say "but I don't like hotdogs tho". Leave the discussion to the hotdog fans, because I'm not remotely interested in trying to convince an autistic pretty-princess like yourself of something as basic as "interacting with other human beings is good actually".
>>102190683
The point is, this crowd was fired up and the feedback we've seen hasn't focused on "but muh packed between sweaty neckbeards tho :(" because they're too busy gushing and focusing on how awesomr it was being in the crowd.

>>102168380 (OP)
Because no one cares about them. the venue had open seats galore

Kek, you fags made me pirate the vod. And of course Nimi and Doob are as bad as ever. Reminder to not trust their fans about anything singing related. Should be have been obvious, natural selection.

>>102182946
But Mint and Doki sold 2K tickets just last year, by the same organizer

>>102194379
Mint and Doki getting a 3D concert mattered more to their fans once you look at their history:
>Mint who, as Pomu, hardly got to use her 3D model in Niji because it was a broken mess and management refused to let her use Home3D
>Doki who, as Selen, never even got to have a 3D debut because management dragged their feet for over a year and then fired her

Compare that to Nimi and Dooby who, in corpo, had 3D debuts and multiple concert appearances and used their 3D models on stream multiple times.

>>102168380 (OP)
Hers is one of the performances I always skip when rewatching holofes
I liker her yapping but don't care about her singing

>>102190656
You sound poor. It’s unfortunate that you’ll probably never see one live, because if you did your opinion would change.

>>102195833
Nta but I've been to one and my opinion did indeed change. It was significantly worse than I imagined.

>>102192953
You are either deaf or lying.

>>102196064
Which concert

>>102196263
5th holofes

>>102196233
I am not. They are both the same, if not worse, as they were in holo concerts. You're the one lying unless you are comparing it to karaoke streams. On top of that Ame didn't even bother to learn the lyrics flow in god knows for example. At least make some effort if you can't sing.

>>102168380 (OP)
because fuck LA no sane american wants to go there.

>>102196469
I had a feeling that 5th and 6th fes must have been worse experiences than the previous ones due to the three-stage bullshit.

>>102196469
I went to 6th. If you don't think the pyrotechnics, lights and wotagei, pre-show conga lines with dakimakura flags and celebrations, live sound design, palpable chest-bumping baselines, and reveals like the CUBE are major boons to the experience; you don't think much at all, then. You sound like someone that wouldn't climb a mountain or be interested in seeing an exotic animal or world wonder because "I can just see a picture of that on the internet." and while that is your prerogative, be aware that from the outside looking in, that is a very pitiable existence.

>>102168566
confirmed for having never seen a vtuber concert

>>102196064
That's because you didn't go to a Mint concert.
Wisps are fucking wild.

>>102168380 (OP)
>Now that the dust has settled, why can't someone making money make more money?
Why are you faggots so concerned with how much money someone makes? How does it affect you?

>>102199567
>you don't think much at all, then
Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you on subjective matters is an idiot.
>wouldn't climb a mountain...
But I did "climb a mountain". And think the view from the top is shit. Almost like different people like different things. Nah, can't be.

>>102168380 (OP)
Even disregarding her singing prowess, idolshit was never her strength. While she can be a good addition to idol group she cannot headline one for shit.

>>102199627
I would argue something like this is just a publicly/largely broadcasted karaoke, but something like virtual vacation is a concert. Venue, style of avatar, live production, all stuff that blurs the line and some people see something like the Mint event you posted and think it’s what all concerts are, even though it looks fun as hell it’s not the same for sure.

>>102199878
Oh in that case, yeah. That was before she had 3D. This was after, but I just really like that pirates nonsense they did

Are we trying to explain to autistic shut-ins why it's fun to go out to concerts

>>102199878
Oh in that case, yeah. That was before she had 3D. This was after, but I just really like that pirates nonsense they did

Mint's always really liked the underground idol style of concert where everyone gets up and dances/responds to the performer

>>102199968 (me)
https://youtu.be/elbI6eFF0lg?t=5128
Another great example. Look at that energy. The crowd is singing along almost the whole time for this

Fuck it. I'm just gonna shill because I really fucking loved my girls at their first 3D concert. They worked so hard for this.
Look at how cute they are!
https://youtu.be/elbI6eFF0lg?t=3782

>>102200095
Looks like shit

>>102199956
No, you are trying to explain to straight people why you like being stuck in a crowd of unwashed neckbeards for hours.

>>102199784
>Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you on subjective matters is an idiot.
Never said that, but I can paraphrase if you wanna take another try at reading comprehension: I don't feel that you think worse, just less. that's not necessarily bad, just pitiable. I wish you could experience the fulfillment I get out of the joy I get in life. Not to say you don't or never experience comparable joy.

Taking >>102199956 to heart, though:
>the view from the top is shit
lol this guy climbs for the view. Don't tell him what's at the top of Jump King or Peak.

>>102200095
She knows her idolshit and we love her for it. They were passing out flyers at a panel during the anime convention that week with call-and-response lyrics and instructions! And Waffle House afterward was a blast!

>>102200312
Just get out there anon, who knows who you could meet

>>102190886
Actual tone deafness is congenital and can't be fixed. I don't know if any of them have it, but girls like Noel do

>>102200356
>I don't feel that you think worse, just less
And why do you think that? Maybe I don't enjoy it as much exactly because I overthink stuff. Like how Cover could have fixed a lot of problems with these concerts if they bothered to.
You just sound like a pretentious faggot while failing to understand the basic idea that thoughts and experiences of other people might not match yours.

>>102190886
If they were actually tone deaf then autotune wouldn't help them cause they wouldn't be able to stay in key. Even if your ear isn't amazing, vocal coaching can help with pitchiness. Anyway it's almost certain the vocals for this concert were pre recorded

>>102200869
I think I've allotted every caveat and reservation necessary to you to be able to tell I understand and respect differing opinions. Which does not preclude my ability to judge or form an opinion on your thoughts and give you my assessment. If you're going to harp on that, we're done. If I genuinely have to sit here and clarify the nuances between the qualitative and quantitative interpretations of how the word "less" works in relation to "overthinking", well, I'm not getting paid by the hour, but I suppose I can book you for a session.

Sorry, caught a bit of the 'tism there. Must be contagious.

>>102201175
Not beating the pretentious faggot allegations, anon

>>102201398
>faggot
That's the secret behind enjoying these gatherings

Why the fuck does this stupid bait thread have almost 100 replies?

>>102201941
Hey, sometimes it's fun to roll in the mud and get a bit dirty. I think I got all my fun out of it, though, for now.

>>102194379
Oh, I do think there's something to be said about the dokimint concert being held in Atlanta, which is home to the largest airport on the planet. Maybe attendance numbers between Anime Expo and AWA could be used to draw some sort of useful correlation, moreover.

>>102192953
>>102197168
Pure fucking delusion.
>I am not.
Sorry anon, but you are. Not that anyone expected you to be capable of objectivity, considering you literally seethed your way into pirating the VOD and *wanted* to hate it, kek. And yet, you think YOUR word should be trusted over that of fans who would know their singing better than anyone?
>Just as bad as in holo concerts
Retard, Nimi is actually allowed to sing for a change instead of just fast-talking while stiffly wiggling in place.

>>102200312
>(You)
>straight

>>102200502
Are any vtubers actually confirmed to be clinically tone deaf? If Noel does, I don't know any others.
Fauna thought she was because she was bad at singing, but I don't remember if she confirmed it or if she was just shy.

For most of the bad singers, they can absolutely compensate. Doki proved that with her recent AX concert where she was able to sing a variety of songs on her own with a fuckton of practice, as well as pull off some cool choreo.
https://files.catbox.moe/b6bv65.mp4
If she can do it, I'd imagine almost anybody can. Just gotta find the right range for your voice.

>>102199968
Yeah that’s much more concert-y

>>102168380 (OP)
>Nimi sell out a concert
She will sell out the next one

>>102205923
At this rate oshispark will go out of business because all their AX concerts didn't sell out despite low ticket prices compared to hololive

>>102207624
Baseball teams don't often sell out every game, yet they still make enough money to keep on playing.

>>102207777
Sports teams get most of their income from corporate sponsor and advertising. Retard.

>>102207927
Nah, around half of teams income comes from broadcasting rights, which there really isn't an equivalent for in Vtubers. Down from that is ticket sales & concessions & merch, then sponsorships.

>>102190195
I went to Holofes 5 and it was fucking AWESOME.
Fuck you anon.

>>102190195
it also smells fucking awful and if you dont know japanese the mc bits are just sit time.

>>102197168
>both the same, if not worse
NTA but I don't believe you're being genuine at all.

>>102168380 (OP)
just get your fancords to buyout mass amounts

>>102207624
Oshispark gets most of their revenue from merch. If they sold anywhere comparable to Fantomethief, then they all got paid quite well.

>>102168411
She just has to get better

>>102207624
Anon almost eveyone in that concert hall spent another $150-250 on merch on top of the $100 ticket, and they sold god knows how many streaming tickets for $40 and online merch sales, they made bank off that concert I don't think they will run out of business any time soon

>>102168380 (OP)
Are you telling me that not even Nimi bait threads could reach bump limit in 24 hrs?
This board really become a landfill since people move to other places.

Read a few posts in this, if you dislike any of these vtuber concerts your probably the dude who's sitting there no cheering. It's a social event, wiggle the fucking sticks and do a little bit of mixing. If you just wanna sit there then obviously you're gonna think it isn't worth it.