Thread 102544215

Every single member got removed from the affiliate list on twitter

total vhoefags death

>>102544215 (OP)
that include the jp one or just the main English one? also rip to the auditions if they were real after all

>Vshojo dead
>Indie avengertards cucked
Once again he won by doing nothing

>>102544312
Both
Girls who auditioned are also coming out and saying their part

>>102544215 (OP)
Gotta be suck for vshojoGODS, all that glazing and the company explode in less than 1 day

>>102544215 (OP)
Vshojo right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iva9b_fnmF4

>>102544551
ah, come on, it wasn't that qui-
>23 hours ago
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>>102544215 (OP)
Are Nova Indies now? Do they keep the models?

>>102544762
It has been radio silence from the company, nobody really knows anything

>>102544215 (OP)
Massive Hololive victory

>scamming going on for LITERAL YEARS
>nobody says shit, every vwhore keeps glazing the corp
>matara gets fired over strange and suspicious circumstances
>nobody says shit, every vwhore keeps glazing the corp
>vtubers AND staff workers quitting in droves, one-by-one within a matter of months
>nobody says shit, every vwhore keeps glazing the corp
>ironmouse: I, AS THE SELF-APPOINTED JESUS GODQUEEN OF VTUBING, HAVE SOMETHING TO STAY
>the entire corp collapses within LITERAL HOURS and all of them any% speedrun remove the Vshojo tag from their handles and literally light their contracts on fire

>>102544674
When the face of the company leaves because the company stole half a million from a charity it's not unreasonable that everyone else jumps ship

Even Henya?

>>102544215 (OP)
It took only 1 day to die. Implosion is so scary, makes you think it can be over at anytime. Also Nimi killing half of her views, and the other half does not buy merch

>>102544373
Half the indie avengers are happy with Nimi. They see her as a weapon to "change the culture."

>>102544851
Imagine, if they left and scammed everyone BUT Ironmouse, they would've gone away with it.

the hoes leaving vshojo have millions in their bank accounts and can easily have a debut 3.0/4.0 to keep earning millions
but their 2, 3 view coworkers are going to get fucked hard by this
women really are the worst

>>102545045
>PLS KEEP WORKING FOR THE BLACK COMPANY FOR THE SAKE OF MY 2VIEW OSHI UWEHHHHHHH
Holy shit kys lol

Wow, they really speedran it

And still no statement? Did the social media manager see what happened and just blew his fucking brains out?

>>102545143
woman/homo post

>>102545247
Were they just supposed to stay working for the company that wasn't fucking paying them?

>>102544373
>pls shit on holo too.png
Roru

>>102545244
Lawyers are going to be lawyering. The house is on fire and there's a good chance they are simply letting it burn down before they make a statement.

>>102544980
Not that easy actually, charity scam is a nuclear yab for any company and doesn’t really happen all that much to begin with

>>102545247
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET THEM KEEP STEALING YOUR MONEY!!!!!
How much is Gunrun paying you? You know that money was meant for charity and to pay the talents for merch sales right?

>>102544851
nigga the complaints start during the half of the last year. It was fine until they run out of money and started to skimming from payments and took mouse money. They tried to solve the problem in house until lawyers were brought in.

>>102545244
>>102545350
There won't be a statement. Any statement would just provoke further outrage. They are going to quietly fade into the night and either run away and hide in some third world tax haven or deal with this in court and then go defunct even if there are criminal charges.

>>102545292
no. they can leave amicably, not sink the whole ship. this way no one is getting paid, but only the top earners will have enough drama induced of a kick start to have a healthy redebut
so as i was saying, the 2, 3 views got thrown under the bus

>>102545481
Dude NOBODY WAS GETTING PAID REGARDLESS. How fucking dumb are you? They haven't seen any money since last fucking SEPTEMBER. This includes your precious 2views and 3views. It's an evil black insolvent company that was stealing money from ALL OF THE TALENTS to stay afloat. It was a god damn PONZI SCHEME you DAFT CUNT. That hurts your previous 2views and 3views too you complete ignoramus.

>>102544215 (OP)
Good riddance. Fuck VHOEJO and its entire roster of grifting whores.

>>102545582
i don't believe that at all. there is no way the agency was somehow withholding ALL of their earnings for 8-9 months

>>102545481
Alright so all the talent leaves "amicably", the result is the same no matter what. None of the talent wants to be associated with the company after this.

>>102544373
I still rather watch EN than JP sorry seaman.

>>102545666
It was withholding their earnings from merch sales. The subs/donos go directly to the talents, so they still made money but none of it came from Vshojo. All of this got exposed literal hours ago when Kson livestreamed a conversation with the fucking JP branch CEO dude.

>>102544985
>half the indie avengers
You mean virtue signaling SJWs that doesn't do shit? I will support her taking those retards away.

>>102545481
nobody needs to redebut retard

>>102545481
They keep their IPs moron. None of them have to redebut.

>>102545481
Why would anyone need to redebut? They just split from the corpo.

>>102545717
>>102545747
so the only money they were not getting is from the.. *checks notes* merch made by the agency. wowee

>>102545893
>>102545926
>>102545980
you know what i meant. or you didn't and i cba breaking it down for your 2 braincells to understand

>>102545747
If the subs go to the talents, why can't ironmouse just donate the 500k that's in her bank account? How was the donation supposed to work in the first place, was Vshojo going to take it out of her merch/sponsor cuts or something?

>>102546108
"Use my own money to do a good deed/PR? Lol lmao"

>>102546057
Lets make it really simple for you.
>company is supposed to pay you
>company does not pay you
>you quit

The source of the money is totally irrelevant, an employer withholding so much as a single fucking cent from you should be enough to cause a shitstorm.

>>102546057
>so the only money they were not getting is from the.. *checks notes* merch made by the agency. wowee
That's theft you fucking retard. And a LOT of money considering Vshojo talents were supposed to get 50% of all merch sales. Fuck you're dumb.
>you know what i meant. or you didn't and i cba breaking it down for your 2 braincells to understand
You are actually retarded. This doesn't hurt the 2views or 3views at all. They keep their IPs and can keep streaming same as always.
>>102546108
>If the subs go to the talents, why can't ironmouse just donate the 500k that's in her bank account?
Ironmouse is different. She HATES managing money and finances, so she has a unique contract where ALL money sent to her goes to Vshojo instead. This includes subs and donos, Vshojo then pays her and she never needs to sweat any of the details. This means Mouse never had the donation money since it was from a subathon, it all went to Vshojo.

>>102546227
>Bro just pay 500k of your own cash because your employer ripped off your charity fundraiser
You're retarded.

You guys sit around and talk about numbers all day and you're still this fucking incompetent?

these rich whores are like sharks but they smell money instead
never enough. ungrateful greed goblinas

>>102544215 (OP)
Remember when everyone told us Vshojo would be the new Hololive

>>102546108
Mouse literally said in her video that she had vshojo handle all the money both as an extra anonimity layer and because she hates handling money, retardbro.

>>102546423
smug robot

>>102546415
>Wanting money you haven't been paid in ~10 months and are owed is "greed"
Retard

>>102546460
>This nigga thinks /vt/ watches v-tubers
lol lmao

>>102544926
All signs point to Henya leaving too. She'll be confirming it soon.

>>102546839
She got rid of the affiliate tag on Twitter, she's done.

>>102544215 (OP)
since its a japanese corp, i wonder if they'll try for the "dont say anything or we'll sue for libel/defamation/slander"

i hate asians so much, its unreal (especially the nips)

>>102544883
She made off with most of that money, its what shes using to pay off the unpaid commission workers with

>>102547026
Vei already commented that she has a lot she'd LOVE to say on this, but can't because her NDA prevents her from speaking ill of the company. So yeah, that's exactly what they will try for.

>>102544215 (OP)
QRD?

>>102547026
They are an American company headquartered in California.

>>102547106
No she didn't you fucking moron. She never had it. The donation money went straight to Vshojo, she is paying them out of her own pocket.

>>102545735
Cringe

>>102547183
>Mouse raises ~500k for charity
>Has her channel setup for all payments to go through Vshojo (other channels only get money through them via merch sales)
>Vshojo was supposed to pay the charity but never did
>Mouse finds out, immediately digs and finds out they owe her money personally too and quits and lawyers up
>Talents start dropping like flies, everyone quits within 24 hours of this news breaking
>Kson specifically is so mad she corners the JP CEO live on stream and asks what the fuck
>Reveals none of the talents have been paid for merch sales since around September 2024
>Also quits live
>You are here

I forgot there were other JPs aside from Henya and Kson.

>>102547197
how do i apply, i too hate women (or is that just nijisanji

This is just management removing the dead weight. They'll be a hundred times more profitable now they don't have to pay anyone's salary.

Has gunrun even said anything at all yet? does he even exist

>>102547484
Seeing as no one seems to have any clue where he is, I assume he's either dead, or long since fled to another country and changed his name to Rungun.

>>102544215 (OP)
So the business model was completely unprofitable huh? they even had to steal charity funds to stay afloat sad

>>102547484
There's been no statement by Vshojo whatsoever. Current working theory is that Gunrun is running to avoid legal repercussions as currently at minimum he is criminally guilty of embezzlement, tax fraud, and charity fraud. That's heavy time. Dude is probably already halfway to Thailand.

>>102547484
I assume hes writing up a big expose on who was actually involved in pocketing the money.
Assuming he has receipts, this could turn out to be fucking hilarious if he has proof that any of the "top of the hierarchy girls" are involved in pocketing the money.
I'd wager thats why Silvervale and Zentreya are on bad terms with Ironmouse

>>102547026
they're headquartered in San Francisco California. even their Japanese branch isn't an independent organization, just a subdivision of the American company.

>>102547616
The JP CEO already stated the money was probably embezzled to keep the company afloat dude. There's not going to be some big Uno Reverse implicating the talents.

>>102547484
Dude has taken a permanent vacation to Thailand with as much grifted cash he could grab and hiding out there to eventually OD on ladyboys.

Kekson 2022: There are no cons to joining Vshojo
Kekson 2025: OMG SO MANY CON ARTISTS IN VSHOJO

KEK never trust two snakes.

>>102544215 (OP)
hi bvtm and parrot!
dont put me in the video
fucking leeches
puta madre *spit*

>>102547566
>>102547593
What drove him to this? I mean 4 years of success, then all of a sudden you decide to start stealing so much money it kills the company? Did he have a gambling addiction or something? Was he running drugs and lost a shipment?

>>102546460
If you didn't live in a mud hut you would be able to smell bullshit from a mile away but instead you revel in it vhoejotard.

>>102547819
Probably just turned out to not be a profitable business model in the long run, and when it became obvious that skimming the talents pay to try and keep shit afloat wasn't going to work either, he bailed.

>>102547484
Either he's busy meeting with the bankruptcy lawyers, or he's fled the country entirely. Expect them to file as soon as they can. Clearly the money is no longer there. The talents' money is gone. As contractors they'll be behind employees and secured debt. Well, unless california has some sort of provision for them and they can sue there.

You just know that Mousey is laughing her way to the fucking bank with all the money shes got dipshit indies and their communities flooding her with after this, ontop of the fat stacks she already spirited away.

>>102547744
Thailand has extradition. If you want to flee US justice the place to go is Brazil.

>>102547711
>implicating the talents.
what is going to implicate the talents is timeline and payments made.
How long did mouse know about the charity money being stolen before she spoke aabout it, did she get paid her share of the subathon money.
if she got her share of the subathon money and sat on the info that the charity share was stolen, lets say a month, she could be treated as an accessory to the crime.

>>102544373
>half the entire EN branch quits on you despite each being paid more than doctors
>winning
ok man

>>102547692
awww, yeaaahh
its lawsuit time

>>102547819
He was probably doing some petty shit like skimming just a bit of money off the top the whole time and got increasingly bold as he didn't get punished right up until he got so bold he can't help but be punished. That's usually how it goes.

>>102547692
>Headquarters in San Francisco
Oh, they're giga fucked. The US doesn't take kindly to charity fraud

>>102548060
You mean 3.
Mumei because of health.
Ame because tired of restrictions.
And Fauna because she was about to be pushing out babies.
Gura quit in 2022.

I hope Gunrun gets publicly beheaded

So I presented all this information to my brother-in-law (he's a criminal prosecutor in CA) and he says Gunrun is potentially guilty of wire fraud, tax fraud, charity fraud, embezzlement, and wage theft and assuming he is found guilty this fucker is looking at 10-50+ years depending on how many counts AND will have to sell everything he owns to pay back whatever he can. He absolutely is fleeing, there's no way he faces this head on.

>>102548060
>quits on you
Wishful thinking

>>102544215 (OP)
feel for the JP memebers given sony music contracts on behalf of vshojo

>>102544215 (OP)
>actual total corpo death
wow. what a time we live in.

>>102548319
looks like gunrun...gunran.

>>102544551
Honesrtly, it's a lot better than a slow death, just having it fucking implode instantly is pretty good

>>102546057
This must be ragebait nobody is this stupid

what happens to JP Vshojo?

>>102548594
JP and EN share a wallet. They aren't separate entities, just individual branches of the same corporation. If EN dies, JP dies with it. Vshojo as a whole is going down.

>>102548007
That's the power of the sickness grift. She's a multi-millionaire that can destroy 99% of people, yet a frail defenseless girl who could pass at any moment simply from "bad vibes". Already seen many cuck comments pledging to line up and fund her legal expenses like she's some homeless person.

>>102548319
Fucking kek dude is going full McAfee. He's gonna hold up in Thailand banging ladyboys until the HIV takes him.

>>102548594
From Kson's stream it sounds like the guy in charge will try and help the girls as much as he can, while he's still able to. He did air the idea of maybe completely splitting Nova off from Vshojo, but I don't personally think that's going to work, mostly because as >>102548701 said they're too connected, and the western side is absolutely going to die before a split would be possible.

>>102548319
They're contractors though, so the wage theft thing is out, unless CA has really strong protections. Some of the rest is speculation, but could be true. Feels like he's probably guilty of at least one of those.

>>102548594
As a company? It's fucking dead, because it's Vshojo.
It does seem like the staff will try to help as much as they can though, hopefully the talents will be fine, even if shaken up

>>102548837
>and the western side is absolutely going to die before a split would be possible
Even if they attempted a split now and succeeded, that wouldn't save it. Attempting to sever JP from EN after this news dropped would only make it look like they are trying to hide assets needed to pay back all the debts. Unless they can dig up the money to pay the charity and all the talents, there's no way they come back from this. Even if they somehow managed that though? All the talents fucking quit. There's nothing left to save and fuck knows nobody will want to work for them going forward. It's just done.

>>102547819
Other than malice i suppose overextension could be an explanation. Such a missed opportunity too, to be known as the Good Guys™ who cure cancer or whatever Mouse has, one donation at a time. Cynical, but i think worth far more than that silly half a mil.

>>102548903
Depends on the contract, and even then if it's not wage theft it's certanly contract violation. That would switch one criminal charge for a civil one.

>>102548059
shes literally dying she wouldn't last a day in prison

>>102548903
Admittedly he said wage theft depends on the nature of their contracts. They might be able to prosecute it as misclassification as "contractors" when they act more as employees. Even if this failed though they at very least could charge with breach of contract.
>>102549096
Took the words out of my mouth.

>>102549096
Yeah, but with an unenforceable judgement once they file for bankruptcy. The money is gone.
They'll have to get him on the charity thing.

Damn a friend of mine doubted me when I said everyone would flee the sinking ship after the mouse video dropped.
Gunrun? More like Cashrun.

Gunruns emote gonna get removed off Twitch soon too.

>>102547819
You guys need to stop fucking imagining that they just suddenly and unexpectedly ran out of money.
Their "business model" NEVER made a lick of sense, they literally bragged about how they took minimal cuts from the talent's revenue in any way so how could they possibly generate a profit? NOBODY could ever answer this including the talents. This wasn't some unforeseeable mismanagement. Their entire model was a scam from top to bottom.

The company operated at a loss from the very beginning, except they had millions in SILICON VALLEY SEED FUNDS to blow up so they could act big and throw money around for a while to position themselves as an industry leader. But their only method of generating money was to simply poach more and more BIG 4-digit CCV indies with the same false promises. That's why they never fucking did events or anything else and just relied on fooling retards into doing the revenue generation for them. Which worked because they promised utopian visions of never taking money and those idiots fell for it.

When the seed money ran out, they stopped paying talents WHILE STILL RECRUITING MORE with the same false promises. The JP head even admitted that the new JP branch (which were gigaflops) was supposed to "make up the losses"; which of course didn't happen but hey, what's 5 more idiots that you never have to pay?

Now everything's crashing down so the CEO flees the country with the embezzled money. Shocker.

>>102544985
Good luck with merch sales lmao

>>102548060
You suck balls at math dude

>>102549112
>shes literally dying
Been dying for, what? 10 years now.

>>102548319
>wage theft
The JP CEO didn't answer the question by kson, why they paid staff but not talents, but that's basically the reason: It'd be wage theft.

Delaying a contract payment is a bit easier.

>>102549144
>They might be able to prosecute it as misclassification as "contractors" when they act more as employees
They probably would count as contractors, because they do work for themselves and VShojo is a service provider working on a commission basis.

For the misclassification the contract usually needs to be very similar to actual employment so it needs a compensation similar to a wage or salary and working hours, etc.

GunRun about to get Gootenks'd off the internet

>>102548837
>>102548976
Yeah, won't work now. If they had been smart, which they obviously aren't, they'd have done a good bank bad bank type of thing and split JP off and tried to sell it. If JP had steady cash flow they could have persuaded someone to buy it at a decent multiple. This would have bought time for the main corp to restructure... shed debt and cut costs.

>>102549569
she blends dollar bills into a liquid and has to inject them to stay alive. Donate now!

vibe checked into 8 months without pay

>>102548007
You're retarded. Ignoring the processing fees they need (I checked, it's 5%), Tiltify donations go directly to the charity that is stated. So all the donations are dropping right to IDF, Mouse is just the organizer.

>>102549430
Never underestimate the stupidity of businesspeople. I remember HMNY (moviepass), which was a great deal for everybody but their investors. It's possible he didn't outright embezzle the money, but "borrowed" (ie. stole) the charity money to pay for operations and couldn't return it. It's a very common story. Still going to jail if that's the case, unless he coughs up the money out of his savings, if he has any left.
I wouldn't be surprised if he announces tomorrow that he'll pay the charity out of his own money (only after his lawyers made it clear that that's his best bet for avoiding prison, naturally). Neither would I be surprised if it turned out that, yes, he stole the remaining funds and is nowhere to be found.

>>102549430
>>102550145
I gotta wonder how deep of a hole he's in. He owes a big chunk of change to all the talents, 515k to charity, and apparently more for commission artists. Gotta be looking at at least a mil, possibly much more depending on how lucrative that merch actually was. Surely he can just fork over that kind of cash from his personal piggybank? Unless he has blown nearly all his cash anyway, which is entirely likely.

>>102550334
Very unlikely he can pay it back. The talents are fucked. Honestly can't feel too bad for them though considering how long they let him scam them and never FUCKING said shit (not even when the first people started leaving)

>>102550334
He just needs to pay back the charity money, which will remove most or all of the criminal jeopardy. Insofar as the criminal courts are concerned, stiffing your contractors isn't their problem. That's a civil case, and bankruptcy will wipe it. Unless there's some other factor...

How hilarious would it be if Iron Lung was just wrong and VSHOJO was in the right

>>102544851
How do we know it's scamming? It's just Ironlung's word isn't it? Can't believe after all they've done for her, dragging her out of the gutter and making her rich, she couldn't have resolved this quietly. What a cunt

The cherry on top of the sundae would be if they decide to take back all the models they made for their talents

>>102549430
This is the thing nobody's talking about. The reason VShojo failed is because they started out with this "talent first" business model that makes no sense.
The one thing you got wrong is CEO fleeing with embezzled money. There is no embezzled money. The company spent it all on operations, trying to keep themselves afloat. It went to rent, salaries, models, and IP that the talent then just got to walk away with.

>>102550643
She has an attorney advising her. The odds she's in the wrong are next to zero. What's there for her to be in the wrong about anyway? She never had the charity money, it went straight to Vshojo and the charity never got it. That's pretty cut and dry bro.
>>102550657
Keep licking that boot anon, maybe Gunrun will take you to Costco and buy you a hot dog with some embezzled funds.

>>102550682
They can't. By contract the Vshojo talents own their IPs. Ironically this is where Gunrun fucked up, as it made them fearless to quit and now he can't ransom the IPs to pay back debt.

All this shows is that long term financial planning for talent agencies is a pipe dream and the only end result is bankruptcy without strict control over talent models(which most talent refuse to do). All vtuber agencies with a physical presence are doomed to failure.

>>102550438
Yeah, the talents' money is gone. If they're lucky, they might recover a few cents on the dollar in bankruptcy... but most of it is gone. Looks like they all suffered from sunk cost fallacy and held out hope that they could get their money back. Maybe those who left earlier did so because someone wiser/their lawyer told them to give up hope and get out immediately.

>>102544215 (OP)
ironmouse, kson, ,michi, and the audition winner all parallel the same story:
>multiple missing payments or schedule pushbacks but they don't wanna rock the boat and they blindly hope that everything will work out eventually and they'll get the money or debut prep they are owed

I'm not implying some conspiracy or coercion. I think they were all honest.
Question is why were they all stuck in the same mentality, including the ones who SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER like kson and michi???

>>102550697
>The one thing you got wrong is CEO fleeing with embezzled money. There is no embezzled money. The company spent it all on operations, trying to keep themselves afloat. It went to rent, salaries, models, and IP that the talent then just got to walk away with.
...That's misappropriation of charity funds, anon. It's embezzlement. If you in a position of trust repurpose funds for your own benefit instead of using them what they are meant for, that is embezzlement. This is TEXTBOOK embezzlement. It doesn't matter if it went into his personal account or not. Defrauding a charity and repurposing charitable funds into operation costs is a crime.

>>102550697
>The reason VShojo failed is because they started out with this "talent first" business model that makes no sense
That's way too simple of a explanation. Normal agencies for fleshies in modelling, film, etc. are similar. So I have to ask the critical question why this doesn't work for VTubers?

>>102550697
Using charity funds on operations is a crime, full stop.

>>102550857
This trips me up too, it's such fucking bullshit, basically >>102544851
It's weird enough if none of them speaks up about not receiving payments for months if not years, but this shitshow was already fucking collapsing for a good while and they STILL pretended everything was fine.

>>102550657
Do you think the corp/gunrun would keep silent if they had a leg to stand on? Do you think the JP CEO would fail to defend the corp if he had anything to defend it with? They're done. The money's gone. They're bankrupt. Anything else is pure cope. Not even the sort with the barest hint of justification. This is the sort of cope where you're poking at a headless corpse hoping the head will just grow back and everything will be fine.

>>102550857
"It's fine don't worry once The Problem is fixed it'll all be good" mentality is strong, anon. When people see someone struggling, be that struggle real or imagined, they instinctively give that person a lot more leeway than they would otherwise get.
>No buddy don't worry about paying me the $5 bucks you owe me just worry about yourself first
So many scams run on the scammer putting themselves in a position of apparent weakness to exploit this.

>>102550857
I think they had basically just overdosed on their and their fans own collective hopium.

>a talent first vtuber company
>has 0 talents
What did they mean by this?

>>102550857
>>102551059
Super common human psychology. No one thinks they'll fall for it until they do. And most people will in the right situation. Experience enough of the business world and you'll see this sort of thing all the time.

>>102551059
I can understand not airing out dirty laundry in public, but didn't these girls ever share stories about the crap the company was giving them? Not even at offline meetups??

>>102551205
0 is the first number.

>>102544215 (OP)
does that mean Mowtendoo will finally go back to making videos?

>>102551275
I assume they basically just gave them a spiel about how they don't have to worry, and that the payment are just delayed, and they'll totally get them when NEW PROJECT™ is revealed.

>>102551275
NTA but I'm sure they did. The problem is this was a slow decline. It started out with just slightly late payments, then they just kept getting later and later until we got here where they haven't been paid in almost a year. This kind of treatment easing you into the process would make you less prone to freaking out. Also keep in mind aside from Ironmouse, the talents only got payments from Vshojo for merch sales. Their subs and donos still went directly to them so it isn't like they were hurting for money.

>>102551205
The company was talent first, but the talents weren't company first. That's the problem. You can pamper your workers as much as you want but they'll turn on you like a snake the first chance they get.

>>102544985
It’s so sad how women can’t seem to realize that all they want is a lock on all the benefits of simping without any of the costs. They reframe it as something noble when it’s really just getting something for nothing because they’re women.

>>102551537
Goes both ways, bootlicker. Corp will always sell out the workers first chance it gets too. Capitalism is a "ride or get rode on" system.

>>102545378
Does anyone know if gunrun used to play homeworld cataclysm? If so I know him.

>>102551628
Corporations never "sell out workers". That's a commie myth. What happens is nothing is ever good enough for the workers.

>>102551673
Yeah right. That's why when times get tough they axe the employees instead of cutting the insane salaries at the higher levels, right? Go fuck yourself.

>>102546227
It’s not like she promised she would like Froot

>>102550896
Sure, but what I mean is, the money is gone.
Which depending on how you look at it is worse. If he stole it for himself, he could make restitution. But if it just became staff salaries and vtuber models, well...

>>102551673
>Corporations never "sell out workers
Except everytime they need someone to take the hit to protect the company.

>>102546411
Yes

>>102544215 (OP)
I always hated Vshojo

>>102549430
So why didn't the CEO just sell the company or open the company to allow investors in like Hololive did when they allegedly almost went bankrupt in the past?

>>102551796
It honestly wouldn't matter if the money is gone or not. Fact is he committed at bare minimum charity fraud, embezzlement, and wire fraud. He could MAYBE dig his way out of this by paying it all ASAP (he won't) but as you mentioned he probably can't. Even if he did though, if they go after him criminally and can prove he intended to commit all these crimes and only just now paid to save face? He might still face time. That's why I'm convinced this dude is fleeing the country.

>>102551918
Because the due diligence requirements of a private sale, or the much more invasive disclosure requirements of an IPO, would have shown that "we own none of our IP and take only the tiniest cut of our talents' earnings" is a completely nonviable business model.

>>102551918
Because to get investors he'd need to prove his company is profitable, something he couldn't do. The talents themselves questioned how the fuck the company made money man.

wait hold on I just had a realization. If Vshojo don't take any money from talent's streams then how did they come into possession of the charity money in the first place?

>>102551918
Well for one the whole "talent freedom" angle he used to bait people in falls apart if you have investors to answer to. And second cutting and running was always the plan, no need to involve people who will want you to keep the doors open, they'll just get in the way of the cutting and the running.

>>102551918
Because "We don't actually own or have control over any of our assets" is a tough sell.

>>102552121
Mouses twitch check goes to vshojo, then to mouse. Vshojo was supposed to pay the money to charity but didn't.

>>102552121
Ironmouse has a different setup than everyone else. She hates managing money and wanted extra anonymity, so ALL of her money went through vshojo including subs and donos.

>>102552121
Just take 10 minutes to watch the damn video man, she explained it all in the video.

Two questions:

One, "not getting paid" means salary/merch sales, right? Donations were separate? Two, isn't the bigger scandal here the obvious charity fraud? Wouldn't that have bigger legal traction?

>>102551673
I've seen some bootlicking in my days, but goddamn, son...

“The contract doesn’t say when we are required to pay out the money. We look better on the books with an extra $500,000 sitting in our account and we get to keep the interest earned.”

Lots of businesses will have clauses in their contracts that say “payment must be paid within 90 days of delivery and if made within 30 days there will be a 1% discount”.

Even with that 1% discount it can be extremely difficult to get paid by large companies. There's so much benefit to delaying payments when the payment is over 100 thousand dollars.

if you aren't getting things in writing when you are talking about millions of dollars then you deserve to get robbed. It will teach you the lesson to get everything in writing first.

With this, we learn that it's only ok when women (Froot) does it.

>>102552337
>One, "not getting paid" means salary/merch sales, right? Donations were separate?
There are two types of talents in Vshojo, Ironmouse and everyone else. For everyone else, Vshojo only paid them their share of merch profits and everything else went directly to them. For Ironmouse, everything went through Vshojo first including the subathon donations.
>Two, isn't the bigger scandal here the obvious charity fraud? Wouldn't that have bigger legal traction?
Yes.

>>102552391
As much as i hate froot, stealing money earmarked for charity and backpedalling on a promise made on your own money are different things.

>>102550938
You really don't know how talent agencies work if you think they're similar to vshojou's model. Most in fact do own the talent's image in every respect except the talent's own use in non-commercial actions which they only don't own because they legally can't. And may I remind you that this is reffering to the real appearence of real people, not a cartoon puppet that someone is controlling backstage.

>>102552360
Haha yeah know what also looks good? Everyone in your entire company quitting in the span of 24 hours and the CEO of one of your branches saying that 500k in charity money was embezzled into operations costs. Fucking idiot.

>>102544215 (OP)
KWABOTY

>>102551918
Because their entire business model was being "the good, non-corporate corpo". If went public or sold it to some media company not only they would have been eaten alive by the fans, but the talent would have walked out with their IP anyway.

(also hololive didn't go public because they were going bankrupt, they went public because it was funded by VC investors that wanted a return on their investment and told Yagoo to either go public or step down as CEO and sell to someone who was willing to go public)

>>102552300
See >>102546790

KEK

>>102551537
Not paying people for 10 months, fucking off with charity money, "first chance"

>>102552830
If the charity money really was misappropriated or worse, people will end up going to prison over this

>>102552783
Anon, everyone jp company above certain size has to go public.

>>102544985
Western vtubers are cancer. They all need to graduate enmass.

I liked how the plebbitards try to pretend that talent freedom is a good model when it's pretty much why the company was broke.

>>102547819
A crippling gacha addiction. Uma musume was the final straw

>>102552902
The JP CEO said the money is gone, shunted into operations costs. So uh... Yeah, Gunrun absolutely committed a crime here. He is looking at prison time unless he can magically shit out enough money to fix this or he flees the country.

>>102553085
Wait is that actually what they did? Are they genuinely fucking retarded? There's no way it was just Gunrun, others will be complicit. It won't matter if he can pull the half mil out of his ass, a crime is a crime, even if you return what was stolen.

>The talents were under NDAs that prevented them from discussing their contracts WITH EACH OTHER
DUDE NO WONDER THEY DIDN'T RAISE ALARM BELLS ABOUT THE DELAYED PAYMENTS, THEY FUCKING COULDN'T.

>>102553299
They all should have been lawyered up over the missing money. NDAs do not cover criminal activity

>>102553215
(Pic related is an excerpt of the EN transcript of Kson's earlier JP livestream where she confronted the JP CEO)
>Wait is that actually what they did?
THEY SURE DID
>Are they genuinely fucking retarded?
THEY SURE ARE

>>102551066
This. It's pretty easy to pull receipts for a 500k donation and say "wtf are you talking about you crazy bitch, here's the transfer."

You only have to make shit up if you can't do that.

How do you screw up something this bad? They could easily have made tons of money off the girls without resorting to fraud. It's like winning the jackpot at slots but then deciding to rob the casino.

>>102553299
If that type of NDA is actually legal, America is beyond cucked, holy fucking shit.

>>102553299
>>102553386
Well to be fair that's a standard a non-competitive clause. It's common not to share what you make with other employees. However the concern is the fact that none of them were getting paid. It exists so negotiations dont get messy, as not all talent is equal

>>102553496
Vshitshow

>>102553480
NDAs in America are only illegal if they cover up criminal activity or are considered especially egregious. This may fall into the latter, but these girls wouldn't know that nor question it.

>>102553466
What money? TALENT FIRST means little profit goes into the company. Normally this works because the company receives a portion of earnings from merchandise, but here it's less than peanuts. No fucking wonder VShojo was going down, guess the jew on charge noticed it and started planning his exit strategy way before any of the shit hit the fan.

>>102549408
Anyone saved them?

>>102553299
>>102553418
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

>>102553604
Company that doesn't do anything doesn't need that much money.

>>102553418
There is a lawyer somewhere cooming his fucking brains out over this log.
They had to have actually been on the brink of bankruptcy if that was what they did, there is no logical reason unless someone pocketed it and ran, which is more plausible simply do to how insanely negligent this is

>>102544851
Yes, when the literal face of your company calls you out on scamming her and her charity and calls it quit, of course everyone follows suit.

>>102553679
Spoken like a true indiefag.

>Didn't get sponsorship payments for TWO FUCKING YEARS
DUDE IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE WHAT THE SHIT

>>102544419
>>102544373
>>102544215 (OP)
lol
>>102544373
tpbp

>>102553788
Look where corpo pride gets you.
>ooooh I love executives so much, please let me pay for more middle aged Japanese men, please!
this really you? This what you do?

>>102553790
WHY WAS ANYBODY WORKING FOR THIS FUCKING "COMPANY"?

I feel like given the choice Henya would have probably stayed with Vshojo not out of loyalty but because she’s too autistic to handle anything on her own. But since everyone else left she didn’t have any choice and now she doesn’t know how to get anything done alone.

Hooooooly shitto

>>102553534
In America its illegal to tell employees they're not allow to discuss wages with each other. I assume that applies to contractors as well.

>>102553790
Outside of them doing a black stream (which they can't since no one is fucking left), this might genuinely be worse than Niji in every single way.
Only thing left is for Gunrun to make a stream where he says this will be negligible.

>>102552547
She didn’t backpedal so much as mic drop

>>102553534
at my place it was fringed upon to talk about wages to coworkers, but not a single person gave a shit, like it's fine if your workplace is not filled with rats who will squeal to management. So no matter what NDA the first thing i would do is just go and private chat if i wasn't getting paid.
Coincidentaly that workplace haven't payed like 10 people one time at the same time and they all insta-quit even tho i doubt they had much savings unlike these girls.
Buffling.

>>102554024
>Gunrun to make a stream where he says this will be negligible.
It's going to be a livestream of his trial

>>102553953
She won't be alone, the other kids like her and will help her.

>>102554002
Yeah this is completely true. I wonder how fucking illegal and unenforceable their NDAs are.

Guess we'll see during the criminal case.

But muh "Talent Freedom"...

>>102554115
His "trial"?
The stream will make the Ceausescu trial look like a fucking joke

>>102554092
>Your honor, I declare this case to be negligible

>>102553953
Back to VOMs?

>>102544215 (OP)
PHASE DOMINATION

>>102554024
>this might genuinely be worse than Niji in every single way.
Dude this is so much worse than Niji it isn't even funny. Niji was a fucking blip in comparison. Like comparing a stick of dynamite to a god damn nuke.

>>102554238
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

>>102554125
Freed from their money, which was distributed to to the working masses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>>102553953
Eh, she got friends. And she didn't leave her previous group on bad terms.

Imagine what the Nova JP girls who didn't have any pent up beef with the company must be experiencing right now
>work for this vshojo company
>get shiny new model
>everything's seemingly fine
>suddenly learn the company is shit
>leave it I guess, everybody else is
>thanks for the model

>The money was all spent on parties and advertising
I fucking can't dude this just keeps getting worse. WHERE DOES IT END???

>>102554238
I meant more in the sense of individual metrics like "Well at least they didn't do a black stream."
But besides not having a black stream, Gunrun not doing turbo damage control (though his complete disappearance isn't much better), and no talent having tried to kill themselves (yet), this genuinely seems to be worse in every single other aspect.

Nyanners just said live on stream that when she left they owed her over 100k (she never got it) and she was ONE talent that quit a WHILE ago. This is way bigger than the 500k charity. Look at all the talents and how long they've gone without pay, this company is MILLIONS in the hole.

>>102554437
Holy fucking grim.

>>102554437
>>102553790
>>102553299
>>102553418
>Talent Freedom

>>102554437
DONATE TO CHARITY?
NOPE
HOOKERS AND BLOW GET FUCKED

Vshitshow

>>102554537
Boohoo my millionaire vtuber who doesn't even notice when they aren't getting paid is missing 100k

>>102554437
I went to a couple of the Vshojo con afterparties but in the past two years they got reeeeeally selective with their invites. Compared to when they were throwing parties for the sake of having a good time and letting everyone network like hell, it later on seemed like Gunrun was only inviting big vtubers or corporate figures. It was kinda obvious what was going on but I didn't have any proof as an outsider obviously

>>102554708
This isn't about the fact that she didn't get 100k. It's about how deep in shit this company is retard.

Remember kids; crime doesn't pay.
But unlike Vshojo, Cover does!
Enlist at your nearest Hololive recruitment office today!

It's a ponzi scheme. It's an actual fucking ponzi scheme. The memes are real.

>>102544215 (OP)
good

>>102551066
Not cope, I hate ironmouse, I have no dog on the fight, just seems wild that one accusation with no proof is all it takes for everyone to turn on them

>>102555096
Pyramid. Ponzi is a bit different.

>>102555182
>one accusation with no proof is all it takes for everyone to turn on them
It helps when the accusation made is one that will be a career suicide if it isn't true.

How is he feeling right now?

>Mint just announced vshojo owes her money too for the summer podcast merch run and will drop an official statement later
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE BUT IT DID

I can't believe in 2025 nijisanji is the good alternative again. Tell that to someone 6 months ago, they'd think you're insane

>>102555335
WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN HAPPENING ANYMORE

>>102555335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbE3fGfF-o

>>102552341
The irony of saying this and then using a CM "I love Saudi Arabia" Punk gif

>>102555467
>nijisanji is the good alternative
Absolutely the fuck not

>>102555467
C'mon now, stepping into shit is still stepping into shit regardless if it's 1 foot or 10 feet.

>>102544373
I kneel yagoo san

>>102544373
He's embezzling funds from Cover too.

>>102555467
shut the fuck up Elira, is holo or at least phase and you know it.

>>102555269
I don't think it was an intentional pyramid scheme. I think they thought they would start making a profit before their initial startup money was gone. But once the startup money was gone, they started to withhold pay to keep the business running hoping for profits that never came until this happened

The fact that the talents were able to cut ties immediately tells me vshojo wasn't malicious like nijisanji is, but just ridiculously incompetent.

>>102555324
I mean what does she care, she has more money than God already. Could just be a woman moment.

>>102555467
yeah no, niji is still the company that drove its biggest talent to attempted suicide.

>>102548280
Shiori and Kiara are next.

>>102555686
God I wish I was Elira, I'd never stop groping my tits again

>>102554981
/thread

>>102555744
>what does she care
Oh i don't know, maybe not being complicit in embezzlement and charity fraud is a good motivator.

>>102555709
No, there was definitely embezzlement. Being a manager isn't expensive, especially with the massive cut they're taking from talents.

>>102555801
Biggest talent, kek. A BPD bitch had a melty and wanted pity grifter bucks, no more no less. That's not nearly as bad as this vshojo shit show

But where is all the money? Not even a fraction of it is accounted for.

>>102555467
Nijisanji skinwalked as someone who attempted suicide.

>>102555910
oh, gay. you really are elira.

>>102555709
The question is, how the fuck were they not profitable? The cut from mouse alone should be able to pay everyone

>>102546423
Smug sassy immerhater

Ranking vtuber agencies based on how not evil they are.

>>102555912
They spent it dude, see:
>>102553418
>>102554437
It all went into operations costs, lavish parties, and advertising.

>>102555910
Fuck off, Reimu.

>>102555997
Blowing the money they made at a prodigious rate tends to do that.

>>102555912
Literally used to prop up the cardboard house that was Vshojo.

FELONY EMBEZZLEMENT CHARGES WHEN?

>>102556027
@grok, is this true??????

>>102555332
https://x.com/MowtenDoo/status/1947497809642508647
I'd probably be scared as shit, because he might need to cover his ass should anything about the company's operations go to court, and truck him along.

>Nyanners wasn't paid for the sponsored stream where she got FUCKING SWATTED
Dude this company is actually evil.

>>102553299
LMFAO

I knew most vtubers were middle class, petite-booj shitkids (who the fuck can afford several grand up front, just to start earning), so I really shouldn't expect them to be left-wing, but seriously.

Imagine still getting fucked over by NOT being part of a union.

>>102555912
Whomever did this, is most likely long gone with a lot of dollaroos in some hideaway account.
Be it Gunrun or someone else, I don't know.
But the fact that Gun is completely radio silent when he usually was a pretty forward face?
Not looking good.
It's not like we're talking an accidental "oh shit, I dropped the wallet and now the money is gone" deal here.
Someone took that money and ran.

>>102555997
>>102555904
I think they just overspent thinking they can just pump money into marketing and sponsorships to grow and eventually get big enough that they can just take over or something. But this only works if you have almost unlimited money to start with

>>102553480
>If that type of NDA is actually legal, America is beyond cucked, holy fucking shit.
It's not, preventing employees from discussing wages is outright illegal and thus unenforceable in NDA form.
Doesn't keep corpos from being slimy fucks and doing their damnest to make their marks believe otherwise, though.

>>102555335
Wisps are fucking insane, Gunrun's gonna spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

>>102556413
>who the fuck can afford several grand up front, just to start earning
I mean, I saved up 7k in about six years by living with my mom and working double shifts constantly. Used that money to buy the stuff I needed to run my business.
Not like you have to be rich to do it. Just need to suffer for a while...

that gosh darn gunrun gone and done run away with the money. what a rascal!

Is this international extradition levels of embezzlement?

>>102556643
Why bother with extradition? The best case against him and the steepest sentence would be in the US anyway.

What service do agencies even provide? If some of these girls haven’t been paid in months, what is even the point in adding a middle man to hold on to your money when you can just solo and have full control of your finances?

>>102556643
Lets see, highly public case of embezzlement, tax fraud, charity fraud and theft. Yeah, i would say it is.

>>102556614
Now which vtuber strikes you as the "I'ma hit the bricks, work hard and save up, so I can buy my own vtuber model" type? Go ahead.

>>102546411
it took you until now to notice?

>>102556753
anon, it's extradiction TO america not FROM it

>>102554287
Most banger national anthem ever and it's not even close.

>>102556850
I thought he was in San Fan? Or do we have reason to think he's already fled the country?

>>102556792
I don't know, wasn't my point. You made it sound like nobody can possibly have a few grand to start their own stuff.

>>102556755
Doing all the legal bullshit behind setting up advertisements, concerts, partnerships, sponsorships, etc. etc. etc.

>>102544985
>They see her as a weapon to "change the culture."
Was about to say, most of the vocal western indie scene is full of shit, as shown time and time again they will act all
>uwu wholesome reddit chungus
when it suits them and then stab each other in the back and start drama when it's convenient or simply on a whim.

>>102556895
well it is in case he tries to run, as far as i know n one knows where gunrun is right now

Steal at walmart, go to jail
Steal $500K, slap on the wrist

>>102556895
>Or do we have reason to think he's already fled the country?
Dude he's been quiet and has to know he's fucked. If he's not already halfway to Thailand he's a retard.

>>102557017
>Steal $500K, slap on the wrist
FTFY, if he owes Nyanners alone 100k this fucker is on the chain for way more than 500k. I'd wager at least 3 mil.

>>102557018
He's about to show everyone why he's called The Gun Run.

>all this fucking shit happening and now i find out ozzy died
the fuck is going on brehs

>>102557017
>>102557201
Lmao forgot to do the "FTFY" part. Meant to change the 500k to millions kek.

>>102557245
Oh no! Drix is going to be so sad.

>>102557201
The 500k is what's important, because if it was ostensibly a charity donation then they weren't paying taxes on it.
The feds don't care about stealing from your employees but they absolutely will care about stealing from the IRS.

>>102557367
It's much worse than just tax fraud in this instance. Taking that charity money and repurposing it into operations costs is also wire fraud and charity fraud. He's royally fucked.

It's kinda funny to think that Vshojo will use the embezzled charity money to pay for the lawyers in their embezzlement case

>>102554497
He's not doing a black stream cause he's fucking running to the carribean. Black stream was a disaster but it at least was intended to keep the company afloat, the dead silence means he's not even doing that.

>>102557467
>What is freezing assets

>>102557467
There is no embezzled money, read the thread. He spent it all. See:
>>102554437
>>102553418

>>102557444
Wire fraud would require them to prove that he knew in advance that he was going to be taking the money and didn't just get greedy after seeing the donations, but yeah if they can he's looking at actual jail time.

>>102557521
Oh. Oh, he's screwed.

>>102557619
>Four years of withholding payments
should suffice as a proof of that

>>102553480
It's not. But you'd be shocked how many people, especially in the US, think if you sign on the line everything on the paper is law now. So many people eat shit because they don't realise they can't be made to eat shit.

I thought gunrun is selling streamer backpack? What happen to those?
I think I've seen a bunch of streamer use it
connor, that guy that bikes around tokyo, and more I'm pretty sure

>>102557619
Even if they can't the tax fraud and charity fraud are plenty enough to land him behind bars, especially if he can't square away the debt or pay fines instead (he can't).

>>102557735
can't really imagine selling those is a huge market

>>102556895
Anyone with a brain in their head would have been on a plane yesterday if they were in gunrun's position.

>>102550857
In Michi's case, she came from Nijisanji and as a result sang the praises of VShojo no end. Even after failing to pay her for months, VShojo still looked better than Niji, they were just that bad, so it's no wonder she got blind sided.

Kson has the looking at it from a JP perspective nerf, even if she seems to be one of the savvier ones on the surface.

>>102557804
This. If that fucker isn't balls deep in a Thai ladyboy as we speak he's actually dumb as fuck. If it comes out he was arrested at his home or something I will actually lose my shit.

Waiting for Twitch to remove Gunruns emote. Surely they will since they were so quick to do it to Gootenks, right?

>>102557804
Anyone with a brain their head would not have thought they could get away with stealing $500k that was raised at a public event for charity.

>>102557966
He probably didn't intend to steal it. With how long this withholding payment shit has been going on, he seems to have converted VSHOJO into a pyramid scheme where he was frantically using profits brought in from talents to keep the company afloat hoping and praying it would eventually become profitable. When the 500k charity donation dropped, that particular cookie jar was far too juicy for his greedy little paws and he used that the same way. Unfortunately that move was his undoing. Had he just paid the charity, it's entirely probable Mouse wouldn't have noticed a thing and these floodgates would have stayed shut (for now).

>>102557788
Its not, its very niche but I imagine he could sell it as a subscription or something
all I know is that he spent a fair bit amount of time working on that while being ceo of vshojo

What if the CEO was in debt with the Yakuza?

>>102558439
He lives in fucking San Francisco retard. This isn't a JP company. Why the hell would he owe the Yakuza money? He's not even fucking Japanese.

So it turns out those corpo boot lickers were right and "we won't take any of your revenue and fund ourselves with backpacks" wasn't a good business model?

>>102559104
>So it turns out those corpo boot lickers were right
No????? The corpo bootlickers were 100% wrong. Do you not know what a bootlicker is anon?

>>102547815
put me in the video im cooler

>>102553496
vhomo

>>102559159
You faggots saying "it's not a corpo" in the summer of 22?

>>102555467
>nijisanji
>good alternative

hi reimu

>None of the vshojo girls apparently got paid since Sept 2024
Not getting paid for 1 month would immediately raise red flags for me, let alone almost a fucking year. How are they just now questioning this?

Let's face it, kson has bad juju. She brings a negative atmosphere to whatever company she joins. She's a grifter that just wants money, riding ironmouse's coattails.

>>102560047
Because these girls are very wealthy for starters. Secondly it wasn't their entire income, just merch/sponsorship money. The subs and donos go directly to the talents.

>>102544215 (OP)
>Trusting the San Francisco tech jew with your money

>>102560047
They still got all their stream money, so it's not like they were hurting for cash, and they were probably just told that the payments would be delayed for a bit, and have the issue continuously kicked down the road.
Shit would have broken at some point anyway, but the unpaid charity money is what pushed Mouse over the edge.