Thread 102571341

Still Breathing Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Keep things comfy, etc.

Image source: https://twitter.com/cacaobath_i/status/1947828077163384882

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102566869

Mouse just slid into my DMs asking for 500k. Is this legit?

So we love Zen again here ?

I think Sushi is making a mountain out of a molehill

>>102571426
lucky!

WHERE THE FUCK IS HE.
HE MADE HENYA CRY.
HE MADE MINT CRY.
HE MADE SUSHI CRY.
HE MADE PIA CRY.
HE MADE FUCKING EVERYONE CRY.
I WANT HIS HEAD IN A VICE WITH JUMPER CABLES ATTACHED TO HIS BALLS AND HIS FEET IN A BUCKET OF WATER.

>>102571438
No. I will never get over the TTS.

>>102571426
>September 12, 2022
C'mon man, at least fix your shit to make a shitpost.

Who the fuck is Pepe?

>>102571438
no lol, enjoy your male

>>102571492
lmao

>>102571438
always did
never bought into the schizo rrats

>>102571438
We don't love men who pretend to be women, no.

>>102571438
>again
never stopped

>>102571492
She cares, guys.

>>102571438
geckos welcome

>>102571492
Motherfucker legit just tweeting with her tts.

>>102571438
>Donated to Mouse, followed the Aborted Gen, supporting the NOVAs
Ye

So who's even left officially? Froot?

>>102571492
Even her tweets fuck up

Zen and Mata spreading love

>>102571492
Pepe desu

>>102571561
Yes but only on technicality since she hasn't done the paperwork yet.

>>102571452
Not to her it isn't, because JP landscapes are so closely geared toward corporate identities both positively and negatively that one bad decision can make or break you entirely. It's really fucked over there. JP worship of corporations is so ingrained in their culture that they make EN holodrones look sane.

>>102571561
yeah
froot just needs to hire an attorney first before she gets out

>>102571527
>>102571504
>>102571483
damn you can tell these threads are mostly tourists
I guess the thread will die once the drama fizzles out

>>102571561
does vshojo even exist as a company anymore?

>>102571438
were you guys mad when she left or smn

How long until this general dies and everyone migrates to /lig/

>>102571561
Gunrun and a sack of 500k+ dollars

>>102571561
By the book, a lot of them are.
By her feeling, she's gone as everyone else.

>>102571492
Peke being a secret latina all along explains a lot.

>>102571625
This is ligger than lig though

>>102571625
i left a few months back and i'm leaving once this dies down.

Will you buy the inevitable lame Michi tiddy cup from GS?
I won't because I have one of those old green Stanleys, but I'll get a tub if she has a flavor.

>>102571625
We're full. We need the space to prop up lesser liggers. Stay away.

Sushi said that if Connor and Mouse want to do a charity auction she would love to donate some art to it. Someone please get that message to her it's clear she wants to help but doesn't want to be pushy about it
>>102571625
Never. I've been in this thread for 4 years and I'm not leaving

>>102571625
Se queda

The three females that came out publically about having been in the process of joining weren't the only ones. There were more. Including three males and a copycat attempt at Hololive's dev_is. There are likely more victims.

>>102571610
Zen literally is a man. Do your reps.

>>102571610
The TTS problem guy might not be a tourist. It is, admittedly, a big hurdle to get over for some people. Was for me. Took a while.

>>102571625
When you execute all the schizos obsessed with low 3views

>>102571590
as much as a bitch mata appears on stream, it's just her strong personality behind the scenes she really does care for the other girls
I still remember she was pushing Haruka to get back on streaming

>>102571438
>>102571544
You fuckers still haven't washed your dishes in the couple weeks we weren't here

>>102571687
>Sushi said that if Mr. Connor and Mouse
ftfy

>>102571692
>the golden age of VShojo was right around the corner

>>102571625
Finally got my thread back where I can post without feeling weird. So never.

Lord Aethelstan in Sushi's chat.

>>102571692
I am also a victim. Gunrun borrowed $5 from me to get a Little Caesar's hot and ready pizza and DIDN'T PAY IT BACK!

>>102571692
Which ex-staff are you? Come clean man.

No notable one cares about Mel. It's insane to see

Has Mata streamed yet? I can only imagine she's going to go scorched earth on Vshojo for scamming all her friends and possibly her.

Having just learned that they had tea for sale and it actually did well, what other food or drink related items should they have put on the merch store to actually make money?

Gunrun will come back. The date?
7/5

>>102571707
it was a hectic month with all this shit going on, gimme a break here

>>102571767
Thursday.
She doesn't want to stream for the same reason.

>>102571754
Pia does though?

>>102571751
That's gunrun himself

>>102571767
no, and no, she's not saying shit.

>>102571788
>She doesn't want to stream
That's so Mata.

>>102571768
Chatters talked about it with streamers quite often, but you have to understand that the girls are indecisive about shit and so none of it came to fruition. They did do the chocolates once (which were good) but they should have done other stuff that could be packaged and sold and shippable easily. Candy was talked about a lot.

I think the biggest snippet from these streams that hurt the most was Pia organically befriending Mel without ever mentioning the audition, hanging out with her irl multiple times, waiting to surprise her with the news. And then this happening

>>102571746
you could have posted here the whole time, people still talked about pink cat in /vsj+/

>Sushi talking about her tarot cards
For the love of Allah, girl, don't send any of them to Michi.

>>102571768
hot sauce :^)

https://files.catbox.moe/2h0pgf.webm

please some falsefag send this to him i want to see this in hei video and i'm not in the discord

So we might see Novas not even working together anymore

>>102571866
To me it was Beri, she was going to quit vtubing as a whole. This was a god send to her... even told her parents about it

>>102571896
pay taxes, Seth

>>102571900
>hei
Kill yourself.

>>102571768
The tea selling well matters little if it was very expensive for Vshojo to obtain. The coffee Phase sells is so insanely lucrative because the fishman pays fucking pennies for it. I have to imagine that the margin on the tea wasn't great, otherwise they wouldn't have stopped selling it you know? That said that was probably just really shitty choice in a supplier. Tea isn't exactly expensive, it would be very easy to find a cheap ass brand and slap a sleeve/sticker of a talent's face on blank packaging and rake in cash just like the Phase does with their stupid ass coffee. As for other items? Weight is a concern, and you want something that you can justify pretty big margins on. Luxury drink components like coffee and tea are the best options really, but there's certainly gotta be a market for things like chocolate too.
>>102571896
Way too heavy to be worth it.

>>102571896
Grimbo...You need to sell the hot sauce you already have.

>>102571900
lol

>>102571936
i unironically meant to type "the" lmao i should go to bed

>>102571904
If they get lucky, them keeping the UMG deal would be a god sent to them, if they don't they will probably stick together as glue and survive once more in the awful landscape of indie JP.

>>102571904
it all depends what happens with JP staff
I think the main issue is the Universal Deal

why the fuck are motherfuckers talking about tea in here?

I hope aethel breaks mtd's face.

>>102571962
>stopped selling it
They didn't. It was for sale until today's shop death.

>>102571962
>they wouldn't have stopped selling it
They didn't.

>>102571736
Even if things didn't blow up and the new gen debuted, it wouldn't have changed all the behind the scenes issues. Vshojo needed way more radical change than new blood.

>>102571882
felt just as weird posting here about someone that wasn't in

Ok, I'll say what you're all thinking but don't want to admit.
You want to kwep your lefty (audience) oriented vtuber thread where you don't have to deal with kirsche/rev/pippa fags
Just be honest with yourselves, its ok, we could give it a try.

Out of the post nova shojo, I genuienly loved the Massachusetts moment

>>102572032
People were speculating Phase to be the next downfall
>People pointed out how Phase actually makes a lot of profit from their stupid ass coffee, more even than their talents bring in
>Anons start speculating how Vshojo could have done the same to avoid all this mess with tea
>You are here

>>102572067
fucking kill yourself black jack

Bro my heart breaks for the novas

>>102572109
why in the fuck would he say something like that

>>102572032
Because there was Mousey's Raspberry Lemonade Herbal Tea and Froot's Apricot Blackberry Black Tea and we're talking tea. You got a problem with tea, anon?

>>102572044
>>102572045
I see, my mistake then. Admittedly I didn't buy much merch. In any case the margin couldn't have been great on it regardless if they still went under that hard. That or they weren't pushing the tea enough, I didn't even know they still sold the shit. Meanwhile Phase is constantly hawking their fucking coffee.

>>102572067
Why do you care about the politics of ecelebs? I don't see holofags or phasefags speculating about whether their oshis voted Democrat or Republican.

>>102572067
I don't want to share a thread with unicorns and /pol/tards, yeah. Not sure why you are treating it like some shocking revelation.

>>102571438
>>102571559
>supporting the NOVAs
was happy to see Zen replying to hestia

>>102572167
Uh....

>>102572114
Didn't see much about the NOVAs in a while. How where they doing? I remeber peke was doing quite well since a big JP streamer started collabing with her. Did they manage to find their JP audience?

>>102572067
I want to talk about vtubers and not culture war shit. Yes.

>>102572004
How much of that stuff does she still have to get rid of?

>>102572074
Henya who grew up in the US can't say Massachusetts and Hotaru saying it perfectly first time was pretty funny
good times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4
uh oh

It's such a weird moment being in one side thinking "Yeah! VShojo is dead after this" to "Damn, VShojo is really dead"

>>102572090
phasefags just can't help revealing themselves
they're awful falseflaggers

>>102572221
Seemed like Peke and Nagi were starting to take off a bit while Hotaru was fine in her lane and Hestia doing well with her own group of friends from GTA. They all seemed happy, though not able to kick their day jobs.

lol

Mint going to talk about it soon https://www.youtube.com/live/Bgde3wglIJ4?si=ATmMR8b5Yrso_1UY

>>102572252
>Henya who grew up in the US
Your Henya lore is way off.

>>102571918
She even told her dad that he'll be able to retire after she makes it in

>>102571676
Her wife has the best flavor in GS, so yes

>>102572257
>>102572275
>>102572280

>>102572280
Jeez

>>102572257
>>102572275

>>102572258
I mean it's pretty natural. After the revelations you're glad it's gone and no more. But as a longtime watcher you still had a shitload of fun while it was around and are sad to see it go

>>102572258
Like I said many threads ago, I'm kind of happier that it all died in one day. Better than a slow painful agonizing death. Just get it over with so we can all move on.

>>102572275
>>102572280
Is probably she didnt get paid for her podcast merch

jesus christ they just don't stop coming and I need to go to sleep, can't keep up with this shit

>>102571751
>>102571813
Close associate of gunrun. We share our weekly zip of coke. Obviously I am the one paying. He promised me he'd pay me back even if its just by fucking one of his sluts.

Get in here cryjerkers.

>>102572280
can't wait for Fefe's take on the situation

it's not actually over tho

>>102572378
fuuuuuuuuuu

>>102572378
lmao how did gun fuck her that bad?
did he literally rape her?

Sir, the tenth tower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4&feature=youtu.be

Gunrun owes me money

>>102572114
Sounds like they're figuring something out with Loutlot. We'll see

>>102572378
I'm gonna fucking lose it. If I ever see Gunrun in person I am snapping his fucking neck.

>>102572257
>uh oh
What the fuck can she actually say at this point that would make things worse?

>>102572429
I'm gonna really stick to my theory of her being the "senpai" of the newer gen.

>>102572299
You sound like a connoisseur. How is the cranberry Copium one, assuming my favorite bev is a tall glass of iced cranberry juice?

Mr. president I didn't even know we had so many towers...

>>102572032
it's merch. it's always merch

>>102572380
She already did. Apparently she got instant rejected 3 times when she applied to join.

>>102572290
can't fully remember if she went to school there or only visited a couple times

>>102572441
fuck off, bat

>>102572465
The fallout would be insane.

>>102571438
I will forever hate her leeches

>>102572258
It's weird because I'm sad that they won't keep existing as a group and chasing goals together, but at the same time it's retarded to mourn that because all these revelations made it obvious whatever I thought Vshojo represented was a fucking lie.

Well shit its the pentagon hit

>>102572489
lmao

>>102572380
She already did.

>>102572482
And we are missing
>Vei
>Silver
>Matara
>NOVAs
>Mouse
Streams, those are really going to hurt and get messy if they touch on it.

>>102572489
based....

>>102572345
I'm really happy I don't have to justify rhe company's incompetence to myself or worry about the unity status of anyone anymore. Really happy that they all get to be part of the same group now, the indies. To be honest, this sucks for the girls, but I'm not at all.

why the black background tho?

>>102572378
my napkins are ready

>>102572574
VShojo is a black company

>>102572574
Kuroshojo

>>102572540
Vei basically did in the chat of Nayn's stream today.

>>102572553
>i'm not at all
I'm not very sad or worried at all*

>>102572574
To keep the distractions at minimum. Signifies this is serious

>>102572540
Vei did her part

ugh just get out. i can't stand the weepy vocal fry stuttering.

Oh fuck this wording...
I might be right...

>1 minute in
>Mint got no money from her podcast merch drop
lmao jesus

>>102572441
>Gunrun owes me money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBXW-VDe4eg

minto... my poor minto...

>>102572651
I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD DUDE IF YOU BROUGHT THIS UPON US

>>102572540
>vei
>streaming
heh
she already shitposted on pinkcat's chat
that's all you're gonna get

It would be easier to find a person that gunrun doesn't owe money to

>>102572574
white background - talent graduation
black background - company graduation
dis da rules

>>102572553
>I don't have to justify rhe company's incompetence to myself
True. Really happy about this, especially when it involved buying rrats that I now found out were pushed by management itself.

GUN FUMBLED MINT

HOLY FUCK WE ALMOST HAD MINT LEADING AN IDOL GROUP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>Mint pitched an idol group gen to vshojo
RUH ROH

JESUS FUCK THIS WAS GOING TO BE MINT GEN

So nova gets to keep the models I assume?

>>102571692
Who are you?

>>102572707
He owes me money as well for shitposting here for him

>>102572441
Ok, take a number and wait to be called.

I FUCKING TOLD YOU.

>Mint was going to be the senpai

GUNRUN WHEN I FIND YOU

MINT WAS /IN/????????

GUNRUN YOU STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLE

WOW

>saying to Matara how she was feeling lonely
>was really wanting to join a group or a company
>how VShojo would be good, but it wasn't exactly goal-oriented towards the things I wanted to do
>on that trip, we came up with the idea to pitch an idol group gen to VShojo
>pitched that to them
>Gunrun and I knew each other even before I became a vtuber
>we connected through idols
>he seemed very keen about the idea
>I had signed on as a member technically
>they auditioned for two other members that were going to be a part of the idol group that we would form

Holy shit dude

>MINT WAS ACTUALLY /IN/
lmaooooooo

I was right
>>102570672

>>102572707
Oh shit, it WAS supposed to be an idol group with Mint as the head of fantomthiefs...

WE COULD HAVE HAD MINT /IN/! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!

>MINT WAS SIGNED
I'm going to guess this was around when geega was like
>you have no idea what we're cooking

>I could pitch an idol group gen for vshojo
>>102571692
>a copycat attempt at Hololive's dev_is
Holy shit - this post actually was from an insider

noooo fucking way
how do they fuck it up this bad

MINT IS SO /IN/!

How do you possible fuck something like this up?

huh
a vshojo idol group

We were so close to having a god-tier rooster, fuck you, you useless fatass

Meh, who cares. Where's the money froot?

APOLO GIZE.

Gunrun might be the most retarded CEO of all time

GUNRUN YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>102572768
ye

>>102572540
Dude don't even get me started on what Mel's stream is gong to be like.

How did they fucked up this bad

How the fuck do you fumble this badly? Everything that's coming out is just some fucking crazy shit that would have been so fucking good.

NO NO NO NO NOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAAAA

7/5 bros we've been vindicated
but also fuck vshojo

Mint was /in/

>>102572879
an embarrassment of opportunity in the hands of an evil dumb fuck

this is so fake mint is fake crying

Where's the anon that predicted this I fucking kneel

>>102572876
No bitch almost sent me jail for no reason

>>102571692
give us names nerd

Punished Mint

>everyone was actually /in/ or was offered to be /in/ and refused
What the fuck

You made Mint cry. Unforgivable

The small indies that came out like Pia and Beri were not part of the idol group, coming later
>our group worked mostly with the JP side of VShojo
>things were a bit slow but not bad
>I just was really happy
>I was working towards a common goal with two other people that I was really excited to be with
>staff were really good to us, I want to say
>there were a lot of opportunities that were lining up
>some that probably will never come to fruition, but that's okay
>we actually were initially supposed to debut a while ago, but things kept getting pushed back
>we actually were initially supposed to debut a while ago, but things kept getting pushed back
>we actually were initially supposed to debut a while ago, but things kept getting pushed back

Gunrun is a fucking dumbass bro I don't believe this guy is one of the top man of twitch man he's too dumb

We genuinely would have been better off if Mel was shadow CEO.

>Things kept getting pushed back
>Pia mentioned their group was going to debut in March
>Mata was fired in March
rrat update: Mata was fired for fighting for Mint

>>102572949
yeah, who the fuck cries when they are sad!

HOOOOOLY SHIT WE WERE ON THE CUSP OF LITERAL DIAMOND AGE WTFFFFFFFF

>>102572935
less evil, more incompetent. Mythic and Phase won by doing the bare minimum

You guys better apologize for laughing at Mint chiming in earlier

We were inches away from total domination.

>>102573000
He's not

>>102572949
hey kill yourself, like this is not a debate or me feeding your ragebait you are the scum of this world, kill yourself

So much wasted potential and people let down, man.

>>102573047
We were laughing with her not at her. VShojo owed EVERYONE money so it was funny to see her in that group lmao

WHERE DID THE MONEY FUCKIGN GO!?!?!?!?!?!

>>102572145
You can get 1000 bags of decent tea for £25. Tea is dirt cheap even if it's the higher quality stuff, never mind the inflated price from slapping a vshojo sticker on it. Idk what their margins were so you could well be right, but if you can't make money from tea and coffee then you should just give up on business in general.

>>102572986
gunrun /in/posted too close to the sun

>>102573031
I don't give him the luxury of incompetence when he chose to steal from charity

it's honestly amazing just how hard they fucked up

SECRET MINTO WAS TRUE?
FUCK YOU GUNRUN

>>102573012
women

>>102573016
And we got fucking nothing now because Vshojo couldn't handle their money properly. Part of me now feels scammed.

Ok now i'm wondering who were the other girls that were gonna join with mint?

>Mint was a talent for over a year
LMAOOOOOOO JESUS

I can't believe this
How close were we to be such a dream come true?
How fucking bad can you fumble?

IM FUCKING LIVID

WE COULD HAVE HAD THE WORLD
WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALL
AND YOU FUCKED IT UP
FUCKING HELL

So a 3-person idol group with Mint as a confirmed member. A full gen of smaller indies. And then maybe one more gen. Actual Golden Age stuff. Woopsie.

This is seriously the biggest fumble in vtubing history
Unbelievable

they had her bro
the matara to mint pipeline was RIGHT THERE and he fucked it up

>>102572067
I mean I'm a phasefag and I don't wanna deal with those, totally understandable.

We infags were actually right that Mint was /in/. Justice finally but at what cost?

GUNRUN YOU GODDAMNED ASSHOLE. YOU MOTHERFUCKING BITCHFACED PIECE OF SHIT.

WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLLL
ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEP
YOU HAD ALL THE TALENTS INSIIIIIDE YOUR HANDS
BUT YOU PLAYED THEM TO THE BEAAAAAAT

vshojo almost ruled the world
if only the corpo was not black
LMAOOOOOOO

WHY DID THEY LEAD SO MANY PEOPLE ON. DOES HE GET OFF ON THIS SHIT?!?!?!!!!!

Add mint to the next OP lol

VShojo went to the most retarded org on existence.

GUUUUUNRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN YOU FUUCKER

>her 3D debut concert will happen
>JP staff helped production

Gunrun owes me money... but like for real. He got at least 8 zips of cocaine for free from me. I want my money back for those. I can't just sue him for drug money I need to do it the old fashioned way.

>have no money in your company
>decide to debut not only one but TWO different vtuber gens
>one has 3 people, one has 5 people (potentially more)
>all the while you're not paying your current employees
what the fuck were they doing dawg

GUNRUN MUST DIE

>>102571692
So, are you ex staff or one of the ex talents?

VSHOJO ALMOST RULED THE WORLD WTF GUNRUNNNN

Generational fucking fumble holy shit

Reminder that Phase was always better than Vshojo

This is comically inept. I legitimately can't believe it's possible to fumble this hard lmao.

GUNRUN WHEN I CATCH YOU, GUNRUN
ADD MINT TO THE OP.

I WANT REVENGE
I WANT JUSTICE!!!!

>>102573280
fake it till you make it

7/5 seven fucking 5. SEVEN F U C K I N G 5. WHAT DID YOU DO GUNRUN? WHAT WAS YOUR FUCKING GOAL.

>>102573300
Tenma is the only good one

The worst part is that pretty much everyone repeats the same thing, staff was great.
So we know Gunrun is definitely at fault here, but who else at the very top was involved? I don't buy MTD is innocent, but there's no way only those two were involved.

VShojo could've been huge if they didn't suck at running a company.
fuck gunrun fuck

>>102572995
even she says jp staff was good...

if i had to guess. it was delayed over and over because JP did not get the funds needed from EN.

>>102573300
Y’all are next. Gloat while you can

I swear to god I get busy with my job and don’t keep up with vtubing for one fucking week…

>>102573280
niji strat 'accelerate'

>>102573300
fuck off phaseshill

>>102573250
true, she's technically she's xvsj kek

Man, with this much ambition by so many people to do group stuff, fricking set yourselves up as a vtuber-led corpo already.

>>102573213
Remember the store page Mint fiasco? It was real. This whole time.

>>102573361
To be fair the staff she would have interacted with on the EN side as well would likely have been the same managers the other talents have taken great care to not say a single bad thing about. It's always the higher ups that were the issue

>>102573354
whoever was in charge of finances

>>102573250
Yeah... we kind of have to, don't we? She was /in/. She was VShojo.

How can a company fumble SO BAD

We were gonna have a monster girl groupa and an idol group and we were gonna have Mint like wtf

>>102573393
>Remember the store page Mint fiasco?
no

WHO THE FUCK IS THE NIGGER WHO SAID IT CANT GET WORSE

>>102573410
All of these girls were
Mint, Pia, Beri, phoebe, that other one

I'm confident a bum off the street could have pulled this together. What the fuck?

>>102573434
Tori.

FUCK GUNRUN HE SHOULD DIE FOR THIS FUMBLE

>hopefully something will happen for me one day
God damnit

I can't believe Mint is the Gambit of the VCU. Killed before we could even witness her true potential.

>>102573475
IT HURTS MAN

Ok but who else was gonna join along with Mint

>running low on money
>have money-printer Mint on contract
>don't fast-track her out
>have five new girls in a group on contract
>don't fast-track them out for debut merch cash infusion
But... Huh? I don't get it. Am I stupid? Are they stupid? Someone is stupid here.

>>102573434
yeah but those are all mid

man... worst birthday ever

>>102573280
You don't understand, the next line up of members will be what saves us. Just one more set of auditions and we are in the clear.

Several generations worth of fumbling.

>>102573250
At this rate you could basically put 70% of all notable indie vtubers into the OP soon

I am contractually obligated to destroy anyone who makes Mint cry sad tears.

>>102573430
I'M SORRY OKAY! I'M SORRY!

how deep does the rabbit hole go?

He won

>>102573428
Mint was technically leaked as being in thanks to her store page being a part of Vshojo's store page at one point. It was covered up by Vshojo though.

i am so beyond livid

>>102573475
>gave her all to Nijishit
>corpo crash and burn
>gave her all to Vshojo without anyone even knowing
>corpo crash and burn
Grim.

>>102573573
He's next

>>102573546
Unironically it would have IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY FUCKING DEBUTED LMAO. It's so fucking stupid I can't help but laugh. You could not write a script about a company this retardedly run

Ok what the fuck is happening I was playing nightreign for a whole day and now this corpo is blowing up wtf??

Man, you should let your CapsLock go

>>102571341 (OP)
Add Mint to the OP cause she was actually/in/

holy shit vshobros you fumbled hard you would probably have had doki to since her and mint are a package deal

>>102573430
well NOW it can't get worse

>>102573594
This poor girl is never going to trust a corp again.

Well at least JP staff are good people I guess

>>102573509
Here is the thing tho, they managed the merch she was doing. So THEY WERE getting money.

Gunrun in a brazen bull

>>102573614
At this point literally every possible thing imaginable. Like it's kind of insane.

>>102572540
Nova is later tonight

I don't know what to say. Just thinking about all of this aborted stuff coming to be in a non-fucked company depresses me.
Vshojo could have become something amazing if only it wasn't led by a bunch of useless retards.
FUCK.

>>102573570
At this point, every single Vtuber you thought was /in/? They were /in/. Global dominance that the scene had never even fathomed. All squandered because a Filipino backpack merchant doesn't know how to run a business.

This is fucking unreal
How is it possible to be this close to greatness and fumble so badly

>>102573635
he
he he he

THIS WAS FUCKING REAL THIS ENTIRE TIME!?

>>102573614
every rrat was true

Mujin's video about this is gonna hit like crack for dramafags when it drops
>How this ICONIC vtuber DESTROYED her company overnight
>thumbnail with big red text saying "THEY STOLE 500K FROM HER"

>>102573677
Fraikibros...

>>102573639
If there's any positive to take away from this fiasco, here it is.

>>102573594
mi (imagine if she made it into vshojo after MSM)

>>102573639
good

>>102573635
Anon...Mouse can still die overnight from being a sick girl. It CAN get worse.

>>102573677
Lime...

you damn niggers.
I knew froot and haruka were shit.
They didn't want to stream until they got paid, they never got paid so they never stream
AND THEY SAID NOTHING!

This fumble needs to be fucking studied

>>102573509
See, at that point it's early 2025, which means that the company is already in stealing from charity mode. Most likely they didn't have the money/assets to leverage the merch production costs so they couldn't launch anything. You can string along the dumbass online artists, no way you're stiffing chinaman with the production costs for your acrylics

>>102573570
Dunno, ask this staff member. >>102571692

>>102573709
Even the pink cat pregnancy rrats?

I feel like every new tweet from everyone is a new stab in my heart
https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/1947877555031446019

>>102573635
You shut your FUCKING WHORE MOUTH

>>102573639
As you should. Corpos aren't your friend.

>>102573612
it wouldn't though
diminishing returns

>>102573635
You will burn with the tarot cards if you don't shut up

>>102573739
healthy people can't die

>>102573635
Calling it now, someone is gonna graduate over this mess

>>102573772
yes aethel and nyan confirmed it.
the fat bitches ended up eating it though

Im indifferent to all of this but this has been kino

>>102573747
THEY WERE UNDER NDA YOU FUCKING MORON

Hey I know you guys are probably going through a lot or whatever, but I figured that this would be the thread for me to mention that Silvervale's design is so fucking distractingly hot that I want to pick up heavy stones and punch my fucking wall because she's that fucking hot.

Like fucking wowie zowie I want to eat out her ass. Thanks for reading my bullshit, I wish the best on your girls and hope they all end up happy with their new streaming situations.

and I thought I would never witness a bigger fumble than this in my lifetime

>vshojo NOVA officially resigns
>MINT was vshojo for a year
>idol group was supposed to happen

we are in the next part of this news storm

>>102573612
You'd think after the shit show of the first set of auditions, they would have learned from the experience and improved it the next time.

Mint taking shots at Mouse as she should

>>102573635
>Saba: My experience with VShojo

20 years from now people will talk about how vshojo ALMOST had the dream team and fumbled it due to greed and retardation

Surely Limes wasn't also a secret pick in waiting right

>>102573831
Haruka...

>>102573851
your thinking of silver,nyan and vei.
these niggers just up and stopped streaming.

>>102573877
Not right now Timmy

>>102573892
No no please no

>>102573877
Didn’t take long for you to come slithering back now did it

>>102573644
not according to kaho

why has nobody important responded to mel's twitter post
it's making me Suspect Things

wait if all the rrats where true. does that mean .... holy fuck joe biden was /in/

What are the odds Gunrun will do a Budd Dwyer?

>>102573908
Laimu? She's been ignoring all of this shit and doing her own thing. Don't think she was ever involved in anything.

Well that felt like I ate an apple made of lead
I think I have an ulcer now
cool

>>102573949
She is now ignored for some reasons

>>102573639
You say that like it's a bad thing

>>102572949
ragebait retard go make baithreads that fsil

>>102573892
She did follow Gunrun in her other twitter account months ago

>>102573677
Didn't Buff say that literally all of Vchiban wanted /in/, too?
VShojo literally decided that 2025 was going to be the year to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

>>102573949
kill yourself vshojo intern

>>102573343
I like uruka too

>>102573635
you are asking fate to destroy you ,anon

>>102574020
jfc, the ride never ends

>>102573892
Surely even VShojo wouldn't be dumb enough to fumble the Saba bag if they ever managed to get it
>>102573914
My bet would have been Melody but that is also a good guess

>>102574020
Wait she is no longer following him
Oh man...

Ok anybody else who were already in but we never knew about?

This would honestly explain why she knew Hestia

>>102574029
Candii had an audition tape leak.

I hope gunrun gets the death penalty

>>102574044
don't mention my oshi in this forsaken thread

>>102574044
didn't ask

>>102573853
appreciate it

or why she follows the Novas on twitter

>>102574029
no i think that was the original auditions, and rose was the only one that passed the first phase

>>102573635
You shut your whore mouth

>>102573300
phasenigs are going to kill the company

>>102574127
fuck my aim>>102574086

>>102574083
Imagine if Doki and Limes were secretly /in/ too

>>102573908
Laimu has been a content creator for well over a decade, I think she's too familiar with corpo tricks to fall for it all.

Holy fuck imagine Mint, Beri and Grimmi all the in the same company. They be talking about fujo shit.

>>102573892
This is from today when she ended stream, just so you know

>>102574189
>>102574202
WE COULD'VE HAD SNUFFY

>>102573877
phase cucks at it again

>>102574094
ohhh... kuro and michi...
Dude fuck Mata for not telling Mint about how terrible vshojo was.
>BUT NDA!!!!
Jesus fuck the girls shared a room together and their "friends" she could have said something

>>102574226
Snuffy was actually in, her debut was just endlessly delayed

>>102574076
>israel
Holy shit she actually went back to her dead account just to unfollow him.

>We have so much stuff in the works, you guys are going to be so excited!
So...they were never lying...they just had the world's worst management that dragged its feet on every decision and stole from everyone

>>102573923
MOTHER FUCKER ALL THE TALENTS WERE UNDER NDA

>>102574222
holy fuck

>>102574069
>My bet would have been Melody
No way, she has too much in the pipeline and enjoys streaming and her community way too much to just up and stop.

>>102574222
Mint, saba, who's the third then?

>>102574261
It was probably fine for Mata at the start, and she'd been in for less than a year when Mint returned to being an indie and this was probably happening

So we could have a retired JP Idols that Minto befriended as a New JP talent wtf GUNRUN WTF!!!!!

>>102574278
Snuffy is still /in/ to this day, actually.

What if Mata tried to go straight to the merch source to get her and Mint's money, and that's what made Gun shit his pants and fire her.

>>102574261
Why do you think she was aware of it? At most she knew their merch service was ass at the time.

>>102574222
>>102574020
>>102573892

>>102574295
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>102574306
dooby obvs

>>102574306
Ame

>>102574226
The fact that they NEVER signed on Snuffy despite how close she was with a lot of the OGs should have been the first sign of VShojo incompetence

>>102574261
>BUT NDA!!!!
you think they sign a contract and vshojo immediately is revealed as awful?
it was a gradual realization for every talent, there was nothing to "warn" mint about at the time

>>102574094
she just needs to get a good manager(a professional one not a wannabe groomer from her chat) and she could still pull it off
maybe

>>102574261
When she said about this idea it was around May or June, by this time the news of the merch shit wasn't was so ass, she only knew of the delays on shipping. Not the payments, which were more in September.

Can someone give me a QRD on what the fuck happened?
I haven't used this board since the hack and am way out of the loop on vtuber drama, but I'd like to know who I need to kill for making my oshi cry

>>102574337
I like Dooby but she can't sing, why would she be in an idol gen?

I'm tired boss

>>102574298
Your retarded if you think an NDA should stop someone from having a 1 on 1 with someone.
The NDA is meant to stop them from broadcasting it to their community.
they can't prove you kept it in a friend circle.

HA HA it CAN'T get ANY worse than this guys??....Right?

I've been thinking, with Mouse not saying how much they owe her personally, it really could be multiple millions and Mouse has just been doing sponsors for free as a cash cow to keep vshojo alive.

Sorry for calling you a fake Henya fan for not finishing that Sisyphus game, Minto. I'll proceed to kill myself now.

>>102574390
Mint was signed in because she was working for a idol esque group for VShojo.

>>102574337
>>102574352
she doesn't really strike me as the idol type although admittedly I never really followed her closely

in another timeline what would've been Vshojo? a western company equivalent to hololive? God fucking damnit, if someone with an actual business sense managed the company we would've have the best shitpost with Hololive vs Vshojo

>>102574449
The sponsors are probably through UTA

>>102574418
BITCH THEY WERE PREVENTED FROM DISCUSSING THEIR CONTRACTS WITH EACH OTHER

>>102574449
it seems like it

>>102574418
i get what you're saying. but that IS what they said. they had nda preventing them from talking to eachother about company issues.

>>102574261
Mata was probably dumb and just straight up didn't realize how shit the contract was until very late.
Pretty much the only people who could have warned them were Silver, Vei, and Nyan but they obviously would not know who VShojo was planning to sign on that far out

>>102574421
STOP IT

We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had the Talent. We had a Fanbase. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, corpored and made as much money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man. If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.

>>102574390
Mint was unironically in Vshojo. Gun promised her an idol group that she would lead. Was genuinely in the works, but was constantly pushed off. Eventually died because Vshojo management is incompetent. Mint dreams are crushed.

how long are the vshojo NDAs why didn't vei or the exes expose vshojo earlier????

Gura graduated to join Vshojo. If not for them, she would be still streaming in Holo.

>>102574461
Yeah I heard that part, but wtf made VShojo implode like this?

>>102574421
Friday, 4PM EST

>>102574261
hey vshojo intern stop trying to deflect blame away from your cunt boss

>>102574356
you mean at the time when several of the talents had already left due to not being paid.
Okay, yea nothing to warn about.

>>102574390
Gunrun (and some other fags who are yet to be identified) mismanaged the company's finances, to the point that several talents weren't getting paid and they even stole from charity.
While in this state, for some unexplicable reason they thought that it would be an awesome idea to debut a new JP gen + a new EN gen + Mint's idol group. Only the first one got to exist before the entire thing collapsed because niggas were stealing charity money.

Reminder that everyone who knows anything keeps saying there is more coming. Realistically you should all be ready for even more bombs to drop.

>>102574418
Vei and Nyan confirmed that the NDAs prevented them from talking about company stuff with other members and that was 2 years ago.
I imagine with how worse things have gotten the NDAs are (were?) even more strict today

>>102572299
i didnt know her wife was silver.

>>102574390
So, basically. Gunrun spent all the money he owed to talent on blackjack, blow, and paying Vshojo staff, and during all this, the company was still attempting to recruit and debut more people. also vshojo was supposed to give $500k to charity but didn't

gunrun probably fumbled mint doki and one other unknown talent

Is this why Mouse stopped getting monthly new models this year.

Random picture of a Mint/Doki concert.

>>102574485
AN NDA CAN'T STOP YOU FROM TALKING ABOUT CRIMES LIKE WAGE THEFT

>>102574381
I can see that.
Mata was still kinda new so she was still being paid. But there is no excuse for the ones that just stopped streaming and the early leavers.

>>102574546
No joke, VC funding ran out. They were pushing payments, and mismanaging the finances up to the point of taking 500k from Mouse's charity.

>>102574475
Someone with actual business sense wouldn't have made VShojo because VShojo's business model that made it so appealing for talents is shit for the company.

>>102574539
Vei and Nyanners have both stated their NDAs are still active TO THIS DAY. They just don't believe Vshojo has the money to come after them anymore, so they are saying fuck it.

Jfc. Everything that could have been..

(also anyone have a mouse or henya version of this meme?)

Call me pessimistic but I think the only way Vshojo could have funded all of these things is if they changed up their whole "talent freedom" thing, but if they did that, then Vshojo would be no different from any other vtuber corpo. There was no way to expand without having to rely more on your talents for revenue.

>>102574539
At their longest? Possibly 5 years. Vshojo will collapse by the end of the month though. No company, no NDA.

>>102574485
Didn't see her post that earlier, wtf. Would that even be enforceable?

>>102574539
indefinite but they are about to be nullified

>>102574465
she had a concert recently. she wants to be an idol

>>102574616
"Crimes" are subjective. There's currently nobody alleging "theft" yet, just scummy business practices, which are not illegal even if they're unethical.

>>102574485
retarded

>>102574554
goalpost shifting from matara should have warned mint (about shit she didn't know yet) to ex-talents should have warned mint?
sure bud
vei should have called up this vshojo contractee she didn't know about and gave her the deets

>>102574616
WAGE THEFT DOESN'T APPLY TO CONTRACTORS YOU DAFT CUNT. DENYING THEM THEIR PAY WASN'T CRIMINAL, IT WOULD BE A CIVIL CASE. THEY WEREN'T EMPLOYEES. LEARN THE GOD DAMN LAW.

>>102574642
If the JP CEO was telling the truth, he said the JP side was profitable. So I can't see why that can't happen for the EN side.

>>102574616
have you considered these women are retarded and would have no way of knowing that

so close

>>102574680
Ok, Gun.

Americans not talking about their wages will never cease to amaze me, amazing freedom you got there mates

>>102572740
I cannot overstate how upset I am over this poor ghost having hope in a dream that big again only to have it taken away from her. I don't even know what to say I'm feeling a lot of things but I got invited to your thread to be angry and I am certainly angry.

Did they fuck over Kizuna Ai too? Chiitan? A literal AI? An actual Hollywood celebrity? Who did they NOT fuck over?

>>102574603
ye

>>102574616
ok
can't stop you from spending years disputing lawsuits

What are the chances that Kson, Henya, and the NOVA girls will effectively keep the good staff directly working for them?
Kson already said that she's getting her manager back, but the other ones will need help too.

Isnt Henya one of Mints oshis?

>>102574614
>almost had the futa eel girl
damn

>Start an agency
>Pick a bunch of hurt and broken people who you can easily emotionally manipulate.
I always wondered why all the members are a all people who have been through a lot, but just assumed it was because they finally found their home.

now i remember the trip mint and mata took to japan to meet dempagumi idols back when she was still deerskin. loutlot is the one with connection with (ex)dempagumi (furukawa mirin etc. she hangs out with hotaru and the rest of nova). We are so fucking cucked out of literal kino in the making. From her account, seems like loutlot was really trying to make it work but with the funds being siphoned his hands are tied.

>>102574648
It really depends on the full terms. But as I said here: >>102574695 they were contract employees, so denying them their pay wasn't legally wage theft. They could have and should have pursued civil cases to get paid, but this aspect strictly wouldn't have voided the NDA.

>>102574638
I have a hime one
final offer

>>102574711
Been saying this since the bomb dropped. Even Mouse never alleged "theft", just that money was owed to the IDF. Not paying for a contractual obligation is a civil issue, not a criminal one.

Why was Vshojo so slow with introducing new talents? AmaLee in her debut mentioned that it took her 2 years before they revealed her debut.

>>102574621
maybe, but them also splurging on all those AX booths, con parties and just misusing funds didn't help. maybe they could've tweaked the contract even by a little, idk something other than fucking stealing from your own talents

I am thinking about what else I could leak...

>>102574616
>WAGE
Its not a wage anon, they were never employees.

Song of the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liPu1_aPH5k

>>102572736
>>102572740
>>102572741
>>102572758
>>102572794
>>102572801
>>102572818
>>102572827
>>102572830

how the fuck was gun able to steal that much money being that pants on fucking head retarded as to fucking drop mint and a monster girl idol group.

>>102574713
It isn't illegal to talk about how much you make. Just some stupid boomer thought process they try to hammer into the next generation.

>>102574647
>At their longest? Possibly 5 years
doubt it
perpetual NDAs exist

>>102574789
shirobeats said some guy would play fortnite instead of helping them. dunno maybe just bad staff.

>>102574767
This is making me even angrier. It makes so much sense, it would have been fucking perfect.

>>102574760
Cult operations 101

>>102574788
Connor did thoughbeit

>>102574728
Uhhh Filian?
>VSJ management is probably the reason why Filian and Mel haven't interacted in such a long time
Hm, maybe not.

>>102574575
>>102574590
>>102574620
What in the goddamn fuck they stole from charity!? AND all that other shit? Fucking hell.
I haven't been this mad at a corpo since the Selen shock, which is genuinely impressive considering I only heard about this whole shitshow like 20 minutes ago

>>102574789
>Why was Vshojo so slow with introducing new talents?
We have no idea! We've asked the same thing for years.

You know what at this point I'd almost be happy if Saba is also a part of this because then at least I can say I was here to see one of the most insane fuck ups ever accomplished.

I'm still so angry Mouse had to deal with this.
After everything she has gone through.

>>102574870
Connor is an actual retard.

>>102574720
You probably don't want to hear this right now so feel free to tell me to kms, but I want you guys to know I would have loved to see Mint as part of the group, especially with the way it was sold to her.
This is so depressing.

BIG EXCITING THINGS COMING SOON

So what's Mel's situation gonna be? She was obviously getting her work visa in Japan from Vshojo JP, but since JP cash was not in JP but in EN, that prolly means Vshojo JP has no choice but to bankrupt alongside Vshojo EN.

When that happens, her visa is pretty much null, and Japan has super strict laws about that, the various situations in Holo where the girls had to leave Japan because the renewal wasn't made clearly indicate there's no leniency there.

I know she doesn't want to go back to NA, but it's kinda obvious that her dream of living in Japan is over now. Not that it was a good idea to begin with, and I'm not talking about the porn censor issues, she just had a very romanticized version of living in Japan like every streamer who moves to Japan.

BRING ON THE SABA BOMB. IT LITERALLY CANNOT GET ANY WORSE AFTER THAT.

>>102574614
Ahh ahh...
No interaction is ever natural
Everything happens for a reason
Something is going on behind the scenes always

>>102574886
It is a massive fuck up, and we are just in the tip of the iceberg. Once NDAs ran out, it will be insane.

Bro, it's been two days and I'm puking blood
Mouse had this on her shoulder for how long?

>>102574845
Bro I know the salaries of everyone in my team, how the fuck do you work with someone and not learn how much they make? Is this the american meme of "Your coworkers aren't and can't be your friends?" at work?

You niggers who think an NDA is like a magic spell that stops you from talking are retarded.
there is no reason that they couldn't each out to one another and discussed shit other then petty drama.
which they already implied/stated that they were gaslit into hating each other.

>>102574912
Mouse is at fault for all of this.

>>102574954
yes it can
yes
it
can

>>102574713
The "freedom" we have is the freedom to be used as figurative fleshlights for the corporate class to use and dispose of whenever they see fit

>>102574945
It would be really, really funny if VShojo JP formed a new group and recruited NOVA + Mel lmao

>>102574879
>VSJ management is probably the reason why Filian and Mel haven't interacted in such a long time
Didn't think about that. VSJ management might also explain a lot of the other lack of interactions that have been happening like Nyan and Mouse

>>102574945
she'll be fine
she has plenty of money and she's gonna continue streaming

>>102574954
She's asleep, wait a couple more hourse :)

>>102574945
Don't worry about that. A mod in her discord said she should be fine on that front.

>>102574938
ohhhh...
thats what that was...
it would have been big.

>>102573635
mother fucker, i will literally come to you house, nail your fucking testicles to yoru fucking chair and roll it down that one zigzag stream in san fancisco, so help me god.

>>102574976
kill yourself intern

> If Gun didn't fumble Mint we could've had Doki and rule the world.
> What a fucking dumbass we got as a CEO

>>102574965
mouse has been confirmed to know about this since the leavers left and kept it hidden from all the other members she invited to join

>>102574960
>Once NDAs ran out, it will be insane.
Vei and Nyanners are blabbing despite still being under NDA because they don't believe Vshojo has the funds to enforce them anymore. Once the other talents calm down a bit and get angry instead of sad, I can see them doing the same too. We don't have to wait for the NDAs.

>>102574954
how does a gunrun raped mel rrat sound

>>102574707
Don't know. At this point I genuinely don't think a corpo like Vshojo could exist again without being very limited in scope or without becoming a more traditional corpo (like Holo or Niji).

Does this mean that if you bought this shirt, Vshojo pocketed all the money

>>102574945
Her mods have said her work visa wasn't related to Vshojo so she'll be able to stay. But I don't really understand that since Mel has said herself that Vshojo helped her move there

i just dont get how one company managed to fuck over basically everyone, and some of it is really vicious shit
like it just doesnt stop

fumblerun

>Mint,Kuro,Mata, and Michi
dam vshojo got 4 ex nijijs in

>>102574789
Ama stated that this was due to contractual negotiations because of her non vtuber activities as a YouTube singer and voice actress. She needed to make sure things were separate for what she wanted VShojo to do and not do.

Which... after what Shylily said earlier, makes me wonder what they were trying to get from her revenue wise...

>>102575042
Yes, but they know VShojo until 2023, everything 2024 is still on the line.

>>102574945
Only hope would maybe to try and get in with Geex+ maybe? I'm so worried about her...

>>102574999
they do have the infrastructure for it right? maybe they just need to have a small cut just to keep shit running

>>102575063
Her portion of the 500k they stole.

>>102575051
JOHN VSHOJO RAPED AND KILLED A GIRL IN 1990

>>102574973
they're retarded pretend animu girls
cut them some slack

>>102574117
It's really funny being urufugang on /vt/ because we're so irrelevant and uncontroversal that no one talks about us even on /pcg/ Feels like being a fly on the wall while nukes drop but we're entirely unaffected. Kek

also rip vshojo which one of the vshojo niggas is good at an instrument?

>>102574808
I'm not saying what they did was good. I'm just saying that the business model just doesn't work, at least for a company that wants to have some kind of presence and not just be a generic agency that does nothing but contact sponsors occasionally.

>>102575042
A lot of what Vei and Nyan said was pretty damning despite it being over 2 years ago when vshojo were presumably only slightly less bad than it was now
Imagine the shit all ones who left recently can say once NDAs are gone

>>102573861
so technically those in posters for broccoli kitty, and mint were right. who the fuck else was secretly /in/ that would have printed fucking money if they debuted.

>>102574930
Like all vtuber fans I am deeply parasocial and want nothing but happiness for my oshi. I would have loved to see it too, Mint leading an idol group with some decent backing would have been perfect. There's a lot of talent that was in vsj I respect. It hurts a lot watching her be hurt again.

>>102574870
Connor is not nor was ever a member of VShojo. Mouse is the one bringing the lawsuit, not him.

>>102575009
Yep, at least that's the current line of thought.

>>102575060
Anon, its safe to say if you bought anything, they either pocketed the money or used it in their weird payment shell game they were playing with the talents.

>>102575122
that's a yummy rrat

>>102575111
But will Geex+ hire someone that does porn though is the question?

>>102574954
I would shit my fuckin pants if they fumbled that fucking bad

(Unrelated but I love Saba's model so much)

>>102574970
Again, boomers. It's always fucking boomers. It is not illegal for me to ask a coworker how much they make. It's a boomer mindset, a management mindset, to keep workers isolated so they can pay as little as possible. If Jim doesn't know how much Bob is making, his only frame of reference for negotiating is his own salary. BOOMERS IN MANAGEMENT.

It's so sad that we were about to literally get almost everything different people ITT wanted:
>More big vtubers
>More small vtubers
>Random pick-ups
>An idol gen with unity
>New ENs
>New JPs
>Minto, U-san, etc...
Like, every single thing could have actually happen, for real. And it didn't.

>>102575137
Good? None that I can remember unless you count your voice as an instrument like a pedant for singing
Plays? Froot is learning guitar and Zen's been playing drums for a while but is still mid

Gunrun will go to jail for a long time. He didn't just steal from the charity. Majority of orders people did were never even processed. If you ordered and never got anything shipped thats the reason.

gunrun tweeted

Might be coping but I don't think there exists a world where Vshojo's business model could have become profitable. At least, not without limiting its expansion severely.

Look on the bright side, Gunrun has pissed off so many fanbases that surely there is at least 20 dangerous schizos tracking him down right now

Fuck I'll be sleeping when Hotaru and Nagi do their stream later
I better not see any clips of the Nova girls crying man

>>102575137
no schizos, no drama, just good violin vibes

>>102575037
She's such a fucking terrible person. Yet she'll come out of this clean despite everything she's responsible for.

>>102575137
froot's learning guitar. played s bit on today's stream. I know she's just learning, but it was only in the past few years that she learnt to sing and she became the 2nd best singer in the org instantly. She's gonna get reallly good at guitar, I can promise you that.

>>102575247
Lmao his ass isn't even in the US anymore I'm sure. He's in Thailand filling a ladyboy's colon with his guncum.

>>102575247
Now they need to get the police involve like immediately because that guy could've escape to some countries already

>>102575230
overpromised, underdelivered, massively mismanaged with no real care of what would happen

>>102575302
kill yourself vshojo intern

>>102575037
Incorrect. What we can assume from Zen's stream is that the other talents were left in the dark as to why those 3 left. And then on Nyanners stream it came out that the 3 were forced to sign an NDA where they couldn't warn the rest of the taken.

Otherwise we don't knowhow long and what Mouse has had to hold back on yet.

>>102575164
what about Bubi? was he /in/?

>>102575230
>U-san
They turned down the offer when they first got their model because they had too much anxiety and didn't think they'd be worth it for the company.

>>102575137
Does a skin flute count as an instrument?

>>102575230
Maybe if he had been able to get to that point he would have recovered.

>>102575365
Not as far as we know. God I hope Bubi doesn't come on stream with his experience with VShojo. I couldn't take it if My King was also betrayed!

>>102575367
And thank christ for that, poor U-san had a lucky escape.

>>102575357
>What we can assume from Zen's stream is that the other talents were left in the dark as to why those 3 left.
>And then on Nyanners stream it came out that the 3 were forced to sign an NDA where they couldn't warn the rest of the taken.
Timestamps for these pls?

>>102575357
Mouse fucking knew.

>>102575339
>>102575335
numberofags

>>102575337
>overpromised, underdelivered
No, they were underpromising and were going to overdeliver, but had no money for what they had planned so they kept having to push everyone's debuts back.

>>102574642
They were bleeding money because of the salaries

>>102575365
never ever

>>102575086
Niji retirement home? More like next ring of black corpo hell

the Vshojo sings YT channel renamed to vtuber sings and is still operational. does this mean even this channel was only contracted and not even controlled by Vshojo?

>>102574261
I can tell you didn't watch Mint's stream. She literally said that the start of it all was in July of last year. Meanwhile the bad shit started happening in September, 2 months later. And she was being stringed along by the gigafaggot of gunrun, not Matara.

>>102575442
We'll get you your own fucking idol unit is a BIG FUCKING PROMISE.
>>102575477
Probably just a fan channel.

>>102574642
>There was no way to expand without having to rely more on your talents for revenue.
No shit Sherlock. A vtuber corp cannot make money unless it's coming from the talents. Any other system is doomed to fail.

>>102575331
With the number of fanbases he's angered (some of which are fairly parasocial) he might end up dead before the police get to him.

>>102575477
that was a fan channel retard

>>102575293
iron your heart anon, I want to be optimistic but it's uncertain to what will happen to Nova

>>102575357
how are ndas even legal? sounds like they shouldn't be

>>102575523
Sinder right now.

>>102575569
In many cases they're not.

>>102575437
source?

Do you think we will ever actually hear from gunrun again? I want explanations for this shit but I expect him to disappear for the next few years until he pops out of some random place.

So, we can all agree. This is a gambling addiction that got out of control right?

>>102575516
This is all operating on the belief that he isn't dead already. The only recent activity of his that I know of was retweeting Mel's Birthday.

>>102575569
Because they are SUPPOSED to be used primarily as a means to protect trade secrets and thus prevent things like IP theft before they happen. However the rules around them are so fucking loose they can be made to make you agree to basically anything. That being said, NDAs are thrown out in court immediately if they are being used to cover up criminal activity or are over-reaching in their control of the signee.

>>102575569
Usually it is done to protect company IPs, but that has been expanded to business practices.

>>102575617
knew is my dad's name.

Thanks Maiko

>>102575623
fucking horse game man
not even once

>>102575437
Fuck off Vshojo intern

>>102575623
It's like Gunrun was playing a gacha game but ran out of money trying to pull SSRs.

>>102575622
No he will disappear
We'll get a final statement from vshojo about something most likely the company is done and thats it
He'll probably declare bankruptcy if he has no money and disappear into the shadows

>>102575024
>Sin
I love the guy but I wouldn't trust him that much on serious stuff like that. Maybe there's a way out where JP staff form a new company and transfer her visa over there tho.

>>102575623
I blame Peke

>>102575513
The thing is though, it absolutely can when done correctly. Vshojo, in their infinite incompetence, decided to be a merch funded operation with NO FUCKING MERCH.
>>102575569
NDAs are intended to protect trade secrets, client lists, financial data, and other sensitive business information. They're pretty standard, but Vshojo seems to have been abusing them to protect their less than savory business practices.

Mint is not off-topic now?

>>102575569
Yet another legal tool that makes sense in theory, but in practice is only used by companies to cover their shit and fuck over people

>>102575780
Nope. She'll be added to next thread's OP.

i just checked my wallet, holy shit gunrun stole my last 20 bucks

>>102575780
She was signed for a year, yea she's on topic now.

>>102575743
I blame Pepe

>>102575780
add her to the OP

It’s crazy that no matter what people said about vshojo they always used to say nice things about gunrun, was he just fake all this time?

>>102575785
>K-Son
zen please

>>102575780
At this point you could argue that most chuubas are on topic in some way

>>102575780
Funnily enough she is technically now officially on topic. Which is a weird fucking thought.

>>102575780
is anything off topic right now? Krimbo's going to say tomorrow that he sucked gunruns balls at AX and didn't get paid.

>>102575785
>>102575809
GET HIM ZEN! GO FUCKING NUCLEAR!

Tho you have him blocked, bro, you're not gonna see shit.

>>102575741
Sure, but it's the only thing we have to go on right now until Mel talks about it. I'm pretty sure Mel worked on her move herself though so I still think she'll be fine.

Add Mint, Pia, Beri, Tori and Phoebe, no balls.

>>102575785
ive never seen her so pissed off...like damn

>>102575785
THE FINAL ZENHERA IS UPON US!

>>102575825
Just add the link to /lig/ to the list in the OP, seems like half of them are now on topic somehow

>>102575809
>>102575785
>K-Son
Is she using the STT to write the tweets or something?

>>102575809
hmmm I mean, you could just call him Zen. That IS what kson did.

>>102575831
If you need more proof that Mouse is really bad a judge in people’s character it’s this, she thought he was the nicest man ever.

>>102575889
Might as well. And anybody else we find out about. Once a VShojo always an /xvsj+/.

Wild that we were all wondering how the fuck Vshojo never seemed to get anyone. Turns out the rrat that no one wanted to join was true just not for the reasons we thought.

>>102575898
/lig/ and /big/ already there

I sucked gunruns dick and he didnt pay me...

>>102575916
>Mouse
did you mean, literally anyone who met him?

>>102575881
Are we talking about the same Mel who's so much airheaded that she missed several very important work meeting for her own stuff? I'm pretty positive she said Vshojo helped her a lot for the move, and anyway she HAS to have a JP company sponsoring her work visa, that's the law in Japan (like in a lot of countries).

>>102575785
GET HIS ASS

>>102575780
Bro, at this point who the fuck isn't on topic?

Add me to the OP
Gunrun still hasn't paid me for all the veisperging I've done

For anyone wondering what gunrun is up to. He is currently playing Tarkov. Or at least he is online ingame.

>>102575941
how much he owes u?

m/in/t was real all this time...

>>102575941
because you pay him?

>>102575916
Connor is the same type of person.

>>102575780
She is basically a member. Full on-topic now, together with the other unfortunate souls.

>>102575940
Kinda nutty these threads are now just three giant incestuous pits of loosely related talents now

>>102575932
Staff was really going through every /in/post ITT, no matter how retarded, and going "yeah sure, I can try"

>>102575831
I don't know. People told countless stories of how he helped them out. He used to be Mel's tech support in 2020/2021 for god's sake. I guess he only helped out a few people and screwed over many others.

>>102575785
>>102575809
Followup

Well, hopefully they link up anyway. Might already be in the works. Would be cool to see Mouse, Mint and Saba do something.

>>102575998
lmao

>>102575916
connor was proof of that years ago

>>102575916
I'm holding onto a tiny bit of hope that Gun was just asleep at the wheel and letting the inmates run the asylum, which is idiotic and criminally negligent but not malicious. If he puts things right, somehow, either by digging into his personal fortune or whatever to get things paid, and tells us everything that happened, with a full "buck stops here" mea culpa for picking the wrong people and not overseeing things more directly, at least I'll respect him.

Then we tar and feather him..

>>102575998
Your stream friends with him?

>>102576013
we 7/5 chads were vindicated, but man I wish it was under better circumstances

>>102572856
>a god-tier rooster
yeah, my cock

>>102576045
Zen I don't... do you know what website you posted that in? It's a little late.

>>102576044
Another part of why I WANT to believe it's not entirely him is that this is literally the perfect time for people to start bringing up shitty things he's done. If he had any bad blood with anyone they'd sure as shit be opening up about it now, but nothing. It's all related to this thing lol.

Add to the OP only the girls that officially signed something

>>102575809
>>102575785
>K-Son
Real Zen would not call her that. This is the female Zen, the one who writes the tweets during streams, while the male one is busy playing games.

>>102576044
He helped people personally and let other employees do the screwing over.
I’ve met people that do this

>>102576045
I will simply pretend I did not see the follow up.

>>102576025
>>102576068
In what way? The only bad shit I see about him so far is enabling her fucking stuffed toy addiction.

>>102576108
The most anti-Gunrun thing outside of this whole mess I've seen was from Nyan today when she was fucking pissed at how hard his backpack is to use lmao

>>102576045
Adds gas to the fire and then says dont start a riot lol

>>102575969
Yeah, we're talking about the same Mel who spent over two years working on her move to Japan. She talked to lawyers, housing agents, banks, and more. When Mel gets serious about something she gets it done even if she still struggles doing it. But it's like I said, we'll have to wait for Mel to talk about to know for sure.

>>102576029
looks like /lig/ already updated their related links in the op to send to /xvsj/ now too

>>102576162
I’ve heard stories…

newthread
>>102576211
>>102576211
>>102576211

>>102576165
The fact that it was the backpack that got her to finally get pissed was fucking hilarious. Those things must really be fucking shit.

If we get something from Saba tomorrow, I just can't believe the generational fuck up Gunrun just made. Like we are talking a fumble so fucking insane, that holy shit

>>102576212
Did those dumbfucks forget the PLUS!?

>>102576045
>kill them ALL
>ps: in minecraft

>>102576165
From what I could tell, aside from the shitty backpack Nyan didn't seem to have any particular personal issues with Gunrun himself when she left.
But that was 2 years ago, and before the whole stealing charity money thing...

>>102576045
Why not just DM him

>>102576243
nah they got it

>>1025758314
>>102576044
Yeah multiple people including Mouse Melody Buffpup Kuro and others said he was a genuinely nice person. And didn't he save some former employees company out of nowhere recently for no financial benefit? And yet It turns out that he may be an actual fucking psycho kek

>>102575785
>>102575809
>>102576045
Gunrun gon' get got.

>>102575137
I like Lia and Uruka makes her happy + I love her violin playing. You guys are cool

>>102576044
It could be he's actually a nice and compassionate guy as everyone always said. But at the same time he could have fucked up and mismanaged everything. Maybe not maliciously. But still at fault.

Could be he thought he could fix this shit b4 it went nuclear and failed spectacularly.

>>102576291
People forget Mouse literally was going to have him visit her home to help with tech. Mouse doesn't do that for any random person.

>>102576054
I'd cum

>>102576044
I think based on the stories we're hearing he'd do a lot of grand gestures initially to get your trust and then slowly over time stop. It's a similar story to what we heard from Ex-MSM talents

>>102575171
I want my money back Gunrun.

>>102575916
multiple women came out with bbinos allegations especially poki and mouse likes him......not to mention QSMP pedos

>>102576121
Fuck I wanted to fuck her (male) bussy