Thread 102574460

>Mint confirmed that she actually signed a Vshojo contract and was even going to be part of an idol gen with 2 other people
So who were the 2 other idols that got poached?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4

the alien girl from the doki concert was one

>fake indie
Yep, color me surprised.

>>102574460 (OP)
supposedly these 2
https://www.youtube.com/@beribug
https://www.youtube.com/c/PiaPIUFO
idk if these are the right one but they came on twitter if you feel like digging to see if im wrong i just saw their names in other threads

Should have chosen Holo

>>102574460 (OP)
Bro, I don't know if she wants the idol dream so much, why doesn't she try Hololive? Damn, she's more inside than outside, plus she knows people inside and who can help her shamelessly, unless she doesn't want to lose the benefits of being indie, if there are any.

>>102574745
Not talented enough sadly.

M/in/t

>>102574460 (OP)
Grifting whores must grift. Remember when she wasn’t even sure that she was going to return to vtubing at all, and she definitely wasn’t going to join a corpo again? That corpo money must be something else brother.

>>102574460 (OP)
>So who were the 2 other idols that got poached?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRM3_9Z9Qxw
Pretty sure this girl was in one of Mint's concerts too. She was also a blue frog girl in Prism project

>>102574742
Beri really? That sucks, bug idol would be cute

>>102574460 (OP)
>picked vshojo over phase
>after sakana funded her Japan trip
Ehhh deserved?

>>102574951
You have to wonder if Phase had some really bad terms at the time.

>>102574775
she applied, she wasn't chosen

it will get a lot more funny tomorrow

>>102574775
It's so weird- there's a vast majority of vtubers at Mint's tier out there that are better off for their personal goals as indies than joining Hololive, but Mint's personal goals are so blatantly and clearly aligned with Hololive that I don't get the resistance.

>>102575109
How could the phase terms be worse than the apparent 60% cut vshitshow was taking.


>captccha:w0mxn

>>102574460 (OP)
Doki
Quinn

>>102575175
Well truly a tragedy, you know when she apply? or someone knows?

>>102574639
>>102574742
>>102574850
Nope, she mentions that the monster girls were their own gen
There were two others

>>102574460 (OP)
its like the idol dream is just impossible to achieve outside of hololive..... grim

>>102575175
I refuse to believe there's actual retards at hololive who would hire Shiori over Mint

>>102574742
Different gen. Was supposed to come after an idol gen.
This is one of the idol gen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRM3_9Z9Qxw

>>102574745
it begs me wonder time and time again that allegedly she was supposed to be in hololive but so far she is not yet confirms that the hololive filter is too good

>>102575308
>>102575364
It was for Myth. She ended up in Niji instead after.

>>102575364
Wouldn't be surprised if Nijisanji had a fuckin noncompete regarding hololive

>>102575222
If VShojo managed to fucking poach and fumble Gura that will be the funniest fucking thing ever

>>102575364
I'm pretty sure she hasn't tried again since missing out on Myth

>>102575433
Noncompete against Holo but not Vshojo who were blatantly poaching their talents?

>>102574460 (OP)
There's clearly something going on behind the scenes that she can't talk about that has got her so worked up. Yeah, it sucks that the idol thing isn't gonna happen anymore, but it sounds like it was something that just kept getting pushed back and pushed back anyway, and it's not like it can never happen ever again.

Why did she do this stream in that state? Just to say she was part of an idol group that never materialized? There's gotta be more beneath the surface, no?

>>102575427
oh well that was long time ago she is not like she cannot apply again

>>102574951
>>102575244
>the girls who truly want to sing and dance STILL don't have their 3D models after YEARS
gee I wonder why she didn't want to join that shithole. Retarded phasecuck

>>102574460 (OP)
>she chose vshoujo over holoslop
Yagoo in fucking shambles AHAHAHAHAHAHAhahzh

>>102575222
Remember the rrats when Senzawa followed Gunrun?
>>102575472
Anon they were robbing Mouse, the face of their corpo. They actually had Mint and fumbled her. At this point I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

>>102575433
even if nijisanji didn't i doubt holo would want her anyways just for the fact she was an ex niji talent. plenty of companies in the entertainment industry avoid hiring talent of their competition if they're "public" figures.

>>102575674
>Remember the rrats when Senzawa followed Gunrun?
>took fucking ages to give up on it and just debut
oh my god

>>102574775
>idol dream
This is the same girl who did a surprise off-collab with a male in a hotel room. She's no idol

>>102575657
Cover doesn’t want her. I don’t want her either.

>>102575734
This board would explode.

>>102575666
the fact it has been proven many times that the same person can apply as many times per audition season yet she gave up first try and applied much worse company

>>102575660
>phase refuses to engage in a money sink until they are profitable
>this means they are a bad company
????
Phase didn't make money until 2024, and they're now doing 3D concerts. It's almost like the fish knows how spend within the companies means.

>>102575674
>>102575734
She just unfollowed Gunrun btw
What are the odds there was something and it fell through?

>>102575886
Decent odds I'd say, but then what the fuck do I know?

>>102575572
>it's not like it can never happen ever again
You think Maid is ever going to try joining a corpo again after being swept into the two highest profile cases of western vtuber black company mismanagement, back to back?

>>102575803
Well the bad news for her was that she got into the corpo that has a no compete with Hololive. She can’t apply again.

It's a shame she chose the wrong boat again. JP holodrones seem to love her.

>>102576017
True, although that's more of an issue of unwillingness than impossibility. Not that I'd blame her, though.

>>102574745
>chosen Holo
Do you know that Holo scouted her?

>>102575381
Was surprised to see Phoebe was also caught in the crossfire of all this.

>>102576017
holo is the only place that can offer her a mocap studio, staff, and good music industry connections.
It's just not realistic though since she would have to sign a multi-year contract and full ass commit. There's no way cover is letting girls just join and quit after a year again. Her hag body can't handle it.

>>102574785
Gigi got in so the bar is unfathomably low

>>102576287
Gigi is way more talented than Mint and more importantly is less of a snake. Mint got fucking poached by Vshojo of all corpos.

>>102576017
I think she just wants the 'idol' experience, where a small group do everything together, so probably

>>102576378
>Gigi is way more talented than Mint
Get a load of this guy.

>>102574460 (OP)
>me
>your mom

>>102576287
the bar changes every audition based on what the gen needs and their theme of it ie : dev_is, flowglow

>>102576424
Nobody is realistically giving her the idol experience she's always tried to have outside of Hololive. It's just the reality of the industry right now.

>>102575886
The grass isn’t always greener

>>102576494
I would ignore the jap requirements. It's not the same for EN. The bar is stupidly high for them. It's all retired idols and seiyuu trying to get in.

>>102575572
literally what you said is what has her worked up.
she has frequent menhera moments about how she isnt doing enough or achieving anything or how she isnt an idol even though she has done multiple very well sold shows already.

Vshojo offered her literally the deal of a lifetime for her. an idol vtuber group of her own while she keeps complete ownership of her IP.

That is what kept getting pushed back. She signed contracts and they delayed the reveal over and over and never officially canceled it. Its just dead now because the entire company is dead. It can never happen (in this form) again.

why would there be anything else beneath the surface? this is exactly what she wants from her career now.

>>102575244
>60% cut
Where did this number come from? Did anyone from VShojo talk about it?

>>102576494
Phase is finally starting to get into actual idol activities but only because they actually make money now.

>>102576657
Mint is as far from a cultural fit for Phase as I could possibly imagine.

>>102575886
Seems like Gunrun would promise a lot of shit to a lot of people, all the while he knew he didn't have the funds to do it. How fucked up is that.

>>102576695
She cried her way through announcing she was stuck in the vshojo basement, she also forgot her wallet for her big Japan trip. She will fit in fine.

>>102574742
Never heard of beribug before but her ugly crying stream is awakening my gay inner saviour complex. Think I'm gonna start watching her, she seems cute.

>>102576594
Why would you make a livestream about this developing and apparently legally delicate situation even when you're in such a state that you're crying? What was the need to say something within this timeframe? Are you saying she's so mentally unstable and was chasing the idle life so hard she just had to make this stream to let everyone know how devastated she is? Seems weird to me.

>>102576256
>>102576017
mint was allowed to sign the holo wall and kiara said she functionally is one in spirit. I don't think wawa can singlehandedly nepo someone in but clearly cover has been aware of her and it's not like they can go "shucks, she didn't apply, oh well that means it'll never happen." cover can just email her an offer. but it seems, they didn't. if holo wanted her they probably would have gotten her.

I think in essence Cover writes you off once you become a big-enough quantity in your own right that you are already too established for them. They want people to start from the ground floor basically instead of treat it like a sports league attempting to poach top talents.. vshojo very obviously did treat things like this however. there could be several reasons why, such as "imagine debuting in a gen next to someone already famous like mint while you were a 1view or weren't even a chuuba before, that's not fair for you" etc. not to mention management probably would assume such a girl would be an entitled brat demanding better deals and better stuff from her status, etc.

>>102576608
from his dreams. The amount was 50% on merchs.

>>102576696
yeah clearly he was interested in keeping up the appearance of vshojo being an inevitable winner eventually getting all the top talent from everywhere when we now know they were actively trying to undermine nijiEN specifically and so were trying to not just be neutral but give the appearance of "naturally" dominating. when nah it was all just their being tryhard. vshojo getting at least one ex-Cover guy to me would telegraph that this guy probably wanted to try to build up vshojo into something to compete against cover/anycolor etc head to head.

TL;DStream for lazy fags who cant' watch a 15 min video

> in 2024 Mint discovered she had nagging feelings for companionship of being part of an idol troupe/group, and the realization that she lacked the necessary business experience to market herself in addition to being the actual talent. The V Shojo kool-aid was still hot, but she saw that the current business model of no actual in-house IP wouldn't quite work for her own goals so she pitched the idea of a generation to debut at V-shojo that would be a somewhat more closer business model like the other corps. Having known Gunrun previously IRL,she was able to get this approved and and it would have 2 other peeps debut along side her. She mentioned Barry and Pia was going to be the Gen 2 that would debut after them, that would collectively make them a 5 person group together. Mint has been part of V-Shojo unofficially for a year approximately. This project was being handled by the staff from the JP branch of V- Shojo (who basically within the last 24 hours have all realized they were fucked by the parent company in the U.S.). The debut of this idol group kept getting pushed back and back and back. Meanwhile V-shojo's whole merch stchtick was going on and she like others were also not paid for merch drop execution. She admitted being dumb about not making a big schtick about not getting paid for the merch deals, just like all the other talents coming out now. *lots of crying* Her 3D live concert will still happen, but all the work she had been doing for her brand + whatever this V-Shojo Idol group she was creating is basically all gone (money time, mental investment, etc.). Whatever projects she had planned were all on in on this new idol gen that was going to debut, so now she has literally nothing.

Someone needs to make sure this ghost maid doesn't rope herself after being part of 2 black corps.

There the white girl goes playing victim again lmao

>tore apart NijiEN
>tore apart HoloEN
Holo already healed at least but is Gunrun the Bin Laden of EN vtubing?

>>102577129
>she has literally nothing
She has everything she’s been working with for months kek, one of the most popular indie chuubas ever with a large dedicated audience and tons of friends in the industry and inside the best girl click and she has “””nothing””” to the point of crying

>>102577129
Thanks for the summary

mint is dumb as fuck. tricked by roach hag. should’ve just waited and kept trying holo, she had so many ins and would’ve gotten in after justice. impossible now.

so why is everybody airing out dirt now?

>>102576287
Gigi is genuinely funny. Mint's had five years of experience, and she's still as dull and boring as ever.

>>102575886
>But the question remains "Why stab Ironmouse in the back like this? She is literally the thing keeping Vshojo together. Why take the money?"
>Because that money was to get the ONE thing in this business that can one-up Ironmouse, if they had HER then even Ironmouse would be expendable
>That charity money was supposed to be Saba's incentive

>>102577255
Nothing from the project she was working on

>>102577129
Cry me a river. She’s rich, popular, and respected in her industry. She has good nudes too.

>>102577347
gotta leech the views and attention. sympathy farming goes a long way. look at dramabird. built her career off of it.

total western vtubing death, I've been waiting for this day

>>102577255
it doesn't matter if her dream of being in an idol group and doing idol stuff is down the drain. the person you're responding to was just saying what mint said. she thinks she has nothing.

>>102577347
because now if you criticize vshojo, you don't get retarded responses like
>b-but they have a paraplegic with the everlasting death illness in their group! and muh talent freedom!

How does every single member of Vshojo not get paid and then none of them are aware the others aren't as well?

>>102576919
>first paragraph
holoEN first 2 gens were selectively picked with minimal auditions. Myth & Council = famous person on their own niche to fill in each unique traits. Then when it gained popularity, the auditions went tighter and strict to the company's needs (mandatory idol spirit shenanigans). Idk how mint was during pre-myth but if i had to guess kiara was more known than her which is why she got picked rather than mint

>>102576287
>>102576378
>Gigi
>Funny and talented
The bar is really low. The lowest you can get.

>>102577336
I'm not convinced Yagoo could pull a NijiEN poach or that NijiEN would allow them to sign up for Hololive. But Yagoo got lucky since it turns out it's very easy to get Mint to turn her back on you

>>102577336
noncompete agreement

>>102577336
Should have done the biboo strats and keep trying

>>102577478
More like how did every single Vshojo member not massively call out their lack of pay way before this shit happened?

>>102577475
well now they have literally nobody

>>102577394
very nice rrat, i can definitely see gunrun attempting this
no way saba left hololive just to be poached into another corpo though, i don't see the mint signs

>>102577478
>comparing your salary with coworkers is forbidden
typical corpo bs

>>102577535
This, unfortunately. It is not uncommon for them to have non-compete agreements.

>>102575244
>than the apparent 60% cut vshitshow was taking.
I think you mean 100% cut since last year.

>>102576114
>Well the bad news for her was that she got into the corpo that has a no compete with Hololive.
Doesn't Holo already have an ex-niji?

>>102577464
Total corpodeath, sure. Even Hololive is catching strays left and right in the middle of all this. The Western vtubing scene isn't dying anytime soon.

>>102577785
Only one and that was years ago. Hasn't happened since.

>>102577785
hiring luna was from a time long past, when holo wasn't as big as it is now

>>102575433
>Wouldn't be surprised if Nijisanji had a fuckin noncompete regarding hololive
This, and there is definitely some under the table deal that was made between Hololive and Nijisanji to avoid hiring talents from the other company. Not an ethical deal since it's meant to limit the employees but extremely common in Japan.

>>102575572
>Why did she do this stream in that state?
Mint likely did want to clarify if anything comes out that she had signed up to join a new VShojo gen. If they had debuted this would have been a huge deal for her after how things ended in NijiEN. Still after Pomu had to go through years of management incompetence it's depressing that Mint ended up dealing with the same thing with VShojo.

>>102575222
If she comes out with her stories of Gunrun trying to poach Gura during 2022-2023, when HoloEN was at its lowest, it would be so fucking funny

>>102575364
Japan has a seniority bias please understand

>>102577475
My rrat is telling me that this is on IM
Zen, matara and geega supposed to be the adult in the room
They're the ones who should have known better
IM should be there too but we know she doesnt like to handle finance so she let vshojo run rampant

>>102577822
Sad to think all that money will be blow over in a day.

>>102575222
Where was this from?

>>102576696
He's a Twitch stooge before he founded VShojo
They're the masters of overpromising and underdelivering

>>102577656
rn she's entangled with a collapsing corpo
I dont think any jp corpo want to touch her until maybe a year after everything sorted out

>>102577416
anon it doesn't matter if you are rich. if you literally have everything you've spent a significant amount of time on, just poof into nothing you will feel a deep sense of loss in the immediate period. Additionally because she roped 4 other vtubers into this project of hers, she has a secondary sense of guilt in that those 4 people wasted a good chunk of their lives working toward this debut.

>>102574460 (OP)
Mint, you dumb bitch, stop trying to be corpo.
You're doing fine as an indie

Just close your eyes and imagine where we'd be if Vshojo never existed.

>>102576837
She's basically mini Mint. They tease each other often.

>>102578225
kson would have never ruined the yakuza series

>>102578201
Unironically, being an indie is hard.
There's a reason Doki the workaholic is the only one who's actually taking the business side seriously. It's VERY time investing and they don't want to be doing that. They wanna be streaming...

>>102578201
She wanted /in/ because VshojoJP would give her a direct connection to her favorite idol company Dearstage (one of the VSJP talent managers was the founder).

>>102578185
Speak for yourself faggot. I have no job, no wife, no kids, I spend all my time reading and watching movies and exercising and going out to the park or to eat. I get to visit my parents, grandparents, nieces and nephews nearly every day and I sleep in until noon. I am independently wealthy, and I don’t have a care in the world.

>>102577656
they're not enforceable

>>102578391
>Speak for yourself faggot.

That's fair, your life situation isn't relatable. So right back at you, you speak for yourself.

>>102578201
she wants the structure and business side support that comes with the territory of being corpo. it's super hard to do that as an indie.

>>102575557
They probably couldn't win a case against a US company, but IN Japan their chances look much better. Especially with the connections to the judiciary Rikus father and uncle can bring to the table.

>>102578391
>I spend all my time reading and watching movies and exercising and going out to the park or to eat.
no you don't
you spend your time /here/ roru rumao

>>102577422
>gotta leech the views and attention
She was literally working with Vshojo for the last year.

>>102577394
>But the question remains "Why stab Ironmouse in the back like this? She is literally the thing keeping Vshojo together. Why take the money?"
I don't think they really planned things out. They just thought "hehe, money!" and took it ignoring the consequences.

>>102578658
the constitution of japan is pretty clear about people's right to work. the only time non-competes are enforceable is when the person has material trade secrets and is at an executive level or equivalent. such non-competes also come with compensation packages in exchange for not directly working in your field for a limited period of time. these things don't apply to any vtuber.

>>102576494
>Hololive
>idol expirience
Lmao. Hololive is shilling merch and goods experience except for a few JP idols.

>>102575222
>Get promised a lump sum to join like Kson
>Quit your job
>They don't have the money
>Go indie
>Your fellow indie avenger destroys your popularity by cucking her fans
Pottery

>>102574460 (OP)
Honestly how many people signed with Vshojo at this point?
Looking through twitter you would think Vshojo was preparing to beat NEXAS debut record of 28 people

>>102575759
Finana's fault not her.

>>102578978
We know 4 people who were supposed to join alongside mint, and likely which ones.
Everyone else is either a talent who was already there or someone who got stiffed on payments

>>102578952
deserved if true

>>102578952
>go back to drinking
We’ve come full circle

>>102575557
Cover is a fellow Japanese company so they will comply, Vshojo is (well, was) a strong foreign company who wouldn't care

>>102578978
As soon-to-debut talents? 5-7 split across 2 gens: An idol gen with Mint and 2 others (maybe one of them was going to be Phoebe), and a "Monster" gen with Beri, Pia, and Tori Oriane.

>>102578301
pretty gay

https://youtu.be/USDZmB3T3iQ
(dramashitter clip, but I'm not finding a proper source fuck off)

Why did Pomu make fun of the people that assumed she was going to vshojo here? They weren't wrong.

>>102579339
Because they were at the time. She had 0 plans of even coming back as a vtuber, anon. How short is your memory?

>>102576424
Didn't she do like 2 concerts. Isn't that the idol experience? She should just make an idol friend group, wouldn't that work just as easily, she is clearly big enough to be able to.

>>102577347
Because all hope of getting their money back is lost. You don't worry about rocking the boat when the boat has already sunk.

>>102579339
Because when she came back, she didn't originally plan on staying long, much less join Vshojo. It wasn't until halfway through the podcast that she came up with the idea for an idol gen and pitched it to them.

>>102574460 (OP)
What a dumb bitch

>>102576017
She still can go for WACTOR experience!

>>102579411
An idol friend group is one thing, but VshojoJP has connections to an actual idol company (Dearstage, Mint's favorite idol company). That's what she wanted /in/ for.

>>102579339
She loves shitting on her fans

>>102576287
>>102576378
both these posts are dumb

Gigi is brilliant at coming off as the most loveable moron, decent singer
Mint is a fantastic singer with a lot of fun ideas they want to move along

and both are epic gamers

>>102574775
Because Hololive gives a LOT more priority to JP talents.
She doesn't want to be ignored and wants her goals to be supported in earnest.
If you don't live in Japan, you're basically a secondary branch who only gets to come in to do company sanctioned projects.

>>102575364
I'm surprised they hired Shiori of Miori.
Miori is a really good fit in Hololive, and she's worked with them before.

>yfw that mint clip of her being shocked at how kind and accommodating cover staff was when Kiara invited her to her 3D BD live
this girls biggest mistake was not waiting a few months for the audition

>>102574775
There's far too many restrictions on what you can play, what you can sing, who you can even work with, etc.

Also it'd rob the world of FantomeThief and I'd kyoani the place if they tried to stop it.

>>102576017
yeah nijisanji being a black company is totally "western" you turbonigger. definitely havent stolen money from jp talents or fired them for jokes

>>102578952
bigfish if real

Mint should have been Ame. Myth would be four members right now if this had happened

>>102579778
HoloEN wouldn't have survived without Ame.

>>102579778
Mint should have been Gura, unironically.

>>102577416
>She’s rich
She was talking just not long ago how she can't afford medical insurance or a new car

>>102574460 (OP)
Phoebe and Milky Queen

>>102575330
Kiara and Mori after they graduate

>>102579839
LITERALLY never said that. Go ahead, post the tweets. You won't.

>>102577416
>Admitting you're an unironic nonce
This one right here, glowies

>>102577347
Basically this

>>102575238
>>102574745
holo doesn't want to hire ex niji

vshojo made minto and henya cry on stream

>>102577416
>She has good nudes too.
Qrd?

>>102580060
based

>>102580103
she had nice perky titties. that's about it.

>>102578898
Which is what idols do, too

>>102580060
I struggle to care much about Henya given that her Vshojo stint has basically ruined her content for me entirely.

>>102580342
I like her vshojo stuff for the most part. It’s her usual from before, but she can swear now if she wants
Also her model is WHEEEEEW

>>102580103
It's CP.

>>102574460 (OP)
Should've poached Yogiri/Rii just so she could be screwed over by a company for the 3rd time....

>>102580551
not with those tits

>>102580700
Tell it to the judge, anon

>>102580720
She even had some pubic hair!

>>102580720
>>102580700
>>102580551
Stop rubbing elbows all secretively. Give a brother a heading.

>>102574460 (OP)
Tori Orianne

>>102580770
It's not elbows we're rubbing iykwim

>>102580770
I wonder if it's still in the archive. I mean they never deleted it

>>102580770
basically like 17-18 years ago she posted nudes on /b/.
While she was pomu, some /cgl/ girls dug them up and spread them all around to smear her.
Eventually Pomu got doxxed, and people found out her age, did the math on the photos, and realized it was actually cp. (She was like 15-16)

That's pretty much the whole story

>>102575222
So that's where all the Vshojo missing funds went... She really fulfilled her prophecy of tear it down burn it down. Agent G now called Agent S. To sabatage the competition of Hololive.

>>102580011
Yeah, she got in

>>102580871
Fuck I just open it in my office with the whole sale team behind me. And I blame you for this.

>>102580871
Good looking 15

>>102580871
This is alledged. The images have been up on the archive for years now, if it actually were CP they'd probably get deleted, as the people running the archive are usually really on point with this kind of stuff.

>>102580770
https://www.slutchan.com/camwhores/girls/res/8551.php

>>102581013
>>102581064
also her tits are gone now, anyways. Her family has a history of breast cancer so she got them surgically removed. As in everybody who didn't lop off their breasts died early because of it. (Her grandma died of it recently).

>>102581115
she was always an ass girl anyway

>it’s possible we lost Gura because of vshitshow
I may commit a hate crime if true

>>102581102
OH NO NO NO DON'T LET THE WISPS SEE

>>102575886
Most people in the hobby did

>>102576919
Honorary holo is cope. She will always be a guest. She won't ever be in any actual holo concerts or get holo merch.

>>102578898
Yes anon
That's how idols make money: Through merchs.
Why do you think JP music industry still sells limited edition CDs

>>102581498
Yes, anon. That's what makes it honorary.
Have you seen any patra/ui-themed merch on the holo store?

>>102581540
Ui is bigger than holo. Holo has to ride her coat-tails now.

>>102577785
That's like crapping on Hololive for nepohiring during the Holo Gamers days... over half a decade ago

>>102581401
wisps are the biggest perverts in the vtubing fandom industry

>>102581115
is that true ? did she say it on some stream ?

>>102575657
At this point? It not only won't happen but can't happen, there's been too much interaction.

This shit rips my heart out man. Pay your fucking talent what they are owed. And if you can't do that, then have the decency to at least shut down and stop stringing them along while they pour their hearts into something that will never happen. Pieces of shit.

>>102577410
Honestly I would just push out whatever could be repackaged but with different assets. It's not like you can copyright claim unreleased mocap data or vocals but I get the feeling Gunrun is only "I'm too broke to pay you" and not "I'm too broke to sue your ass"

>>102581645
It was a huge thing in pomu's early days/mint1.0's late days. She needed a preventative surgery and took several months off, which sort of killed her early growth.
Right before it though, she was part of a big collab and Haruka the actual autist was like, 'Don't you have something to announce? Everyone wish Pomu luck on her breast cancer preventative surgery!'

It was easily the most cringe moment in the history of virtual youtubers. And I don't use that word lightly. Anyways after it she went into detail about her family history, etc.

>>102578201
She'd do fine as a streamer
But she wants to be an singing dancing idol too, and for that you need an entire production machine behind you

thank god nijisanji doesn't have a retirement home anymore

>>102581764
She's moving forward with what she can (her 3D debut concert), but other things were probably only in the planning/pre-production stages.

>>102574460 (OP)
They really signed everybody BUT Snuffy

>>102581806
man that was an absolute pain to watch, lmao

also, Mint just needs a good dicking and she will be fine

>>102581880
Wait a fucking second.
Didn't she have an outfit that was in the works? She showed it to Doki back during Visage.
Was it her vshojo debut outfit? Is that scrapped?

>>102581881
Must be an even bigger bitchy slob behind the scenes. Jesus.

>>102581806
man, that makes me sad. But it had to be done for her health, yeah, understandable.

>>102579590
If you work with hololive you won't be able to become a talent. That's how it works.

>>102581994
Stop I'm trying not to jerk off

>>102582138
Raora drew several of Mori's membership wallpapers.
They were removed just before she joined.

>>102581614
Indeed, they're known for being really loose at cons.

>>102581926
No her 3D debut concert was going to be her "debut outfit". Fortunately she already has her 3D (she's used it on stream) and the concert will still be happening (probably needs a bunch of edits now though), but the rest of the idol gen plans have now gone up in smoke.
The outfit she showed Doki was a casual loungewear outfit (with tummy), so it should still be happening.

>>102582242
By work with hololive I mean talent to talent interaction on stream, don't be obtuse.

>>102582381
Hololive invaders. Trust.

>>102576287
>>102577500
Jealousy is a bitch, get some help anon

>>102577347
NDAs blocking their mouths from doing so. There's no way the company can back up any threats now, so there's no reason to follow the NDA.

>>102574742
they were supposed to be in the monster girl gen with Tori Oriane (ex-V&U)

>>102575272
which quinn? the ex-niji or the ex-noa?

>>102578001
this just proves that Zen is actually a woman LMAO

>>102580040
>I've never heard of Luna in my life

>>102578952
>[Deleted]
that means it's true

>>102576287
Genuinely I have no idea how Gigi is in Hololive. To call her the runt of her gen (which is the runt of EN which is the runt of Hololive) would actually be a compliment for someone of her low calibre. She should be nowhere near Hololive. Mint is way more deserving.

>>102576287
>>102582822
I love you retards STILL seethe about Gigi to this day, even though her numbers are doing fine and she's become a beloved Holomem i.e she passed the vibe check

>>102582822
>EN which is the runt of Hololive)
We're talking about the girl side, not the sexpest one

>>102582901
and when she's out she will be not worthy and should have never been in holo and she a shit etc

>>102582822
Gigi is great, fuck off sister. You wish you guys had her.

>>102582822
>>102582939
>t. sour grapes phasebeggar

>>102582939
Dooby and Saba are still fine
Nimi did a crazy thing that would never have been allowed in Hololive
Don't be a retard

>>102582957
Best duo with Mori also.

>>102582993
yeah and kson also did the crazy thing, unlike the time she was in holo right?

>>102582957
I'm sure a twitch refugee who got into vtubing in the past couple of years loves her. Since that's her target demo.

>>102582822
Jealousy is a bitch anon

>>102577523
One JP Holo used to be in Niji so that makes no sense.

>>102582822
>Mint is way more deserving
she lost the war

>>102574460 (OP)
Phoebe and Milkyqueen

>>102583348
Did Milky put out a statement somehow?

>>102583308
There is no way. She can't join Holo due to being ex-Niji even though she is a perfect fit. Meanwhile an ex-Twitch streamer more fitting for Vshojo somehow ended up in Holo and is floundering hard outside of a small fanbase of twitch viewers and newfags who find her distinctly non-Holo style of "entertainment" to be "peak".

>>102574460 (OP)
why are they so corpo brained? how do we fix them?

Such a shame. She's such a cutie and I love her singing. She clearly wants to do more than just stream vidya and karaoke, but like she said, she doesn't really know how to promote herself and likely hates relying on those that do all the time e.g Dokibird.

Mint having her own little idol group would have made her so happy too. Hope one day she can still do something like that, but knowing her she will beat herself up about it for 2 years.
>>102583469
>ex-Niji
Does this moron not know about Luna?

>>102583470
they're women, they need a man to take the charge and responsibility to lead them

>>102581679
say that after coyote is in

>there's actual sour grapes here

I hope it's a falseflag, if not lmao get filtered. There's a reason your oshi didn't make and mine did, bitch. Didn't pass the vibe check, didn't know how to compete with Gura, was problematic, etc. In the end I guess it was an all out war in the auditions, huh?

>>102574775
Because time and time again we are reminded that people make the company and not the other way around. Companies as a whole are alive in their own way and kill anything that is creative. The people inside are the only ones who COULD do something good while the company will do anything in its power to destroy it. I am 100 percent sure Gunrun actually cared and wanted to make it work but the company has to be mantained somehow..thats how you get thw slippery slope of having to make sacrifices until you get to wherever we are now. People take the easy way out of blaming the people involved but honestly i think its an organizational problem. In theory the idea of vshoujo is excelent, the fact that it didnt work out and we reached this point means everybody lost

>>102583715
so who was competing with Gura? Sana?

>>102583051
>a twitch refugee
This describes like a good, what? 80% of west vtuber scene so Idk why you're using this as a pejorative lmao

>>102583559
>Does this moron not know about Luna?
Both companies saw the shitshow it caused when she joined, and don't want to deal with that again.

>>102583559
Using Luna as an example is funny. Do your reps and stay in your lane retard.
>>102583762
Precisely why the western vtubing scene is absolute trash.

>>102574460 (OP)
>Pick the worst options. Niji and now vshithsow.
ngl I don't feel sorry for her.

>>102583821
holofags are the underage weebs of vtubing

if I'm getting this right, the idol gen is gunrun's latest bet for vshojo?
then something happen a year ago that forced him to delay their debut

>>102583864
>then something happen
anon, are you living on the moon? vshoujo literally imploded

>>102583561
>they need a husband manager
agreed and i volunteer

>>102579839
glad you're still here schizo, how you excusing her 10k dono?

>>102584182
prostitution

>>102583864
The timeline is kinda unclear, but from what we know
>early 2023 they were with silicon valley bank, which crashed in march 2023. Consequences of this lead to the first exodus, remaining talents likely also had late payments but agreed to struggle through it. Things got better, or at least didnt get worse
>at some point in 2023 a number of known large talents, such as amalee shoto usan and cyyu are asked to join vshojo, outside of auditions. Most reject at some point, amalee agrees but it takes until jan 2025 to iron out a contract
>JP auditions happens in july 2024 and ends in NOVA, who debut november 2024. Speculation, but it is possible that some members were already selected (hotaru and peke were new debuts and could not have had a model made in this timeframe) and others came from auditions (nagi and hestia were already active vtubers)
>2024 EN auditions round 2 begins. Piapi beri and tori are selected by early 2025 to redebut as a monstergirl gen, and wait in the wings until new models are made
>timing unclear but likely mid 2024, mint and two other active large vtubers are approached for an idol theme gen

It seems that sometime around late 2024 to early 2025 is when the wheels come off, the train isnt obviously derailing until spring/summer 2025 when mata and then geega and zen leave.

Vshojo girls are technically "Vshojo sponsored" talents, are they not? They own their own IP. There is nothing legally stopping a new Holo department being formed specifically for "sponsoring" girls and bringing them into the support structure.
>all the undercover agents will return here

>>102583821
>Precisely why the western vtubing scene is absolute trash.
I'm so sure the NND flunkies of Japan are SO much better and have historically had ZERO drama, correct? I'm SURE there hasn't been a multitude of Japanese start-up vtuber companies that died between 2017-2025, right? Fuck off lol

>>102584245
go for that angle then instead of that she's broke

>>102574460 (OP)
I feel bad for her, at the same time I'm glad it happened so we don't need to deal with those drama whores

>>102582756
He probably doesn't even know who Luna is.

>>102582606
He's probably talking about the former.

>>102584341
>Vshojo collapse because their business model is inherently unprofitable
>"Holo should make a new branch copying that model"
You would make a great MDA graduate

>>102584341
yeah and then the rest who doesn't own their IP gonna protest.

>>102585330
They get support but they go to the back of the line. They get a fair Holocut of profits but if they need certain services more of it is paid out of their pocket. Fair's fair. And yes you could say historically some Holos faced similar challenges, but hey that means the sponsored girls are getting the "trial" version of the product with older standards that are still miles ahead of their other choices.

>>102585274
VS JP was not inherently unprofitable. The money was just being misappropriated. That won't happen with certain blue companies.

>>102574460 (OP)
eh now everyone had a contract with vshojo huh? please.

>>102574775
vibe check, all out war

>>102574460 (OP)
LMAOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>leaving your stable job with all the idolshit opportunities you want to get poached by scamshojo pyramid scheme and work for them for free
What a fucking retard.

>>102574775
Genuinely, why do indiesharts think any random nobody can just join hololive whenever they want?

>>102583469
Didn't know you people are this salty, maybe that's exactly why your oshi failed the holo vibe check lol.

>>102574745
mint has low self esteem and they already rejected her once thats why she joined niji

>>102585451
Ownership of the IP is the very base of Cover bussines model, only chance of any talent using their original IP as a holo talent would be them selling or transfering the IP to COVER, like suisei, and even that is very unlikely

>pulled out of three 3D concerts for an idol gen that never happened
lmao

>>102574460 (OP)
Should've signed the fishman deal Minto.

>>102586544
>There's a universe where she could have been on that poster front and center.
>An entire choreographed live band version of Fairy of AKIBerse
Man...

So she finally gonna join phase?

>>102586616
phase is too small for her, no real upside

>>102580011
I only recognize this girl from doing a concert with dooby and nimi
Didn't know she was a bitch

>>101452675
>That and she kept having them help out Mint with shipping and shop stuff without taking money from her
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>95695178
>It's a win-win if it works out for both sides.
Every single vshojofag needs to be publicly executed for the bullshit ranging years they've been shitting out on this board

>>102574460 (OP)
uh oh did saba sign with vshojo? I remember she followed them back as senzawa, waaaay back then

>>102574775
She's actually said before that she doesnt consider Hololive to be real idols. The EN branch literally perform twice a year, if that, in Japan and it's pre recorded.
None of that is what she aspires to do

>>102586704
Out of the 15 victims not a single person mentioned Saba and they all knew who each other were, including the new gen of phoebe, mint and pia that was supposed to launch ~now

>>102586603
Pomu put in her graduation notice sometime in mid-to-late February, but the lineup for that concert was decided at the beginning of the month and Pomu wasn't picked. Now, the Niji talents haven't been subtle that there's going to be another big EN concert that the line-up's already been decided for, which Pomu almost certainly would have been part of, but you can't blame her for thinking back in February last year that the EN branch wouldn't be around long enough for her to be in a 2026 concert.

>>102586761
I don't believe in the Saba rrat, just to be clear, but nobody mentioned anybody else until after the person herself said publicly that she had been put under contract

>>102574745
Fuck off beggar

>>102586578
The only downside with Phase for a larger talent coming in is the cut is too big for the company. Mint is still too big for PC but Phase is bigger than they were in 2023 by a lot.

Naaah brother they made Minto cry, thats fucked up.

Mint and the other 2 girls could still do stuff together. I know its not the same thing as an official group with a team organizing events for them. I feel bad for her, she's a good vtuber and I hope she gets to do what she wants and be happy. I'd hate to see her graduate unfulfilled, even though reality sucks and not everyone gets to win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szJcL3xB6_c
She really did follow her into the dark...

>>102582381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJVN14TSEU&t=423s

>>102585274
The usually, vshonism haven't been tried before the right way.

>>102586761
nobody even mentioned mints involvement with vshojo before she decided to do it herself. These girls respect each others privacy. nobody is going to namedrop saba if she doesnt do it herself

>>102585451
The JP ceo lied how JP was profitable
Kson asked him why they haven't paid her
He never answered, said they could pay her
Kson asked him why arent they paying her right now then
He never answered

You are believing the damage control of a pathetic scammer

>>102586803
Actually she would have had an opportunity to sign up. According to the people who didn't go, everyone was given an opportunity to sign up, several just didn't because they had no interest in doing so. Pomu likely would have gone if she had stayed

>>102586578
Let's be real for a second. There are like 3 talents in the entirety of phase connect that people are even aware of. 90% of phase are nobodies and I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the same thing that happened to vshojo happens to phase.
PC exists in an extremely small bubble but are propped up by 3rd worlders.

>>102587221
>PC exists in an extremely small bubble but are propped up by 3rd worlders.
India is a first world country

>>102586716
Sounds like she should link up with Saba since she also wants to do live concert and can support the funds for a production

>>102587239
No.

>>102574460 (OP)
crying mint is hot af, i cummed twice using that vod

>>102579556
If you're not willing to move to Japan to work for a japanese idol company then you're not serious about your idol gols to begin with. People talked so much about Fauna not wanting to travel to Japan but she didn't even travel to New York to see her fans. Fucking Suisei came.

May as well just dump all the info I have from indie vtubers in the know:
- Mint was in an idol wave with Pheobe (formerly Prism Frog) and Milkyqueen
- Milkyqueen was all in on Vshojo and didn't have an indie persona to fall back on so she has been extra fucked over
- The regular gen was Beri/Tori/Pia
- Vshojo blew all it's funding (over 10 mil) on a failed stream platform called Vstream
- All the recent graduates are Phase bound with the gen 4 coming soon
- There is no new Hololive wave/EN5 coming anytime soon, all I heard is 2026 at the earliest
- EN4 was supposed to have Aura/Pandora in it but the information leaked and her haters reported it to Hololive which got her blacklisted
- Ina is the next EN graduate but there are more JPs leaving before her, last I heard Kanata is next
- Nimi's partner is Randon

>>102587441
>- Vshojo blew all it's funding (over 10 mil) on a failed stream platform called Vstream
I feel like I've heard this before from either Ironmouse or Zen
Who was it that tried really fucking hard to coin that term instead of "vtuber" but was collectively told to fuck off by the entire industry?

>>102585903
I wouldn't exactly call nijiEN idol material but whatever. in fact it was apparently their shitting on her idol dreams that galvanized her into leaving in the fucking first place. if nijiEN actually gave her what she wanted she might have become a crucial lifeline for them post-selen.

>>102587441
>Kanata is next

>>102574460 (OP)
god damn who gives a fuck. spending a year happy as can be enjoying herself even after it fell through for her silent as can be on the subject. but now its gotta be super serious time omg i need to make a statement in a low tone. stfu stop whining and drama dick hopping.

>>102583559
If Mint really wants to be a real idol that much, she should hire a producer like in im@s (me) who gets to fuck all the idols

>>102587239
"Saar we are aryan nation, belibe us saar."
Kek

>>102574742
She literally said it wasn't these two you fucking thread reader

>>102587483
Found it
It was Ironmouse. You can find that tag in ALL of her videos with connor
>>Ironmouse,clip,clips,connor,cdawgva,mouse,mousey,ironmouse cdawgva,ironmouse connor,nyanners,stream,veibae,vshojo,zentreya,snuffy,melody,projectmelody,silvervale,apricot,froot,gigguk,trashtaste,trashtastepodcast,thean1meman,vtuber,vtubers,vstreamer,hololive,nijisanji,tik tok,gawr gura,gura,anime,twitch,shylily,hololive en,envtuber,vtuber clips,mori calliope,highlights,cdawg,ironmouse x connor,reaction,iron mouse,best moments,react,reacts,meme,memes,daily Ironmouse,henya

Also some pathetic leeching attempts

>>102575472
>If VShojo managed to fucking poach and fumble Gura that will be the funniest fucking thing ever
The biggest reason for joining vshitshow is them handling the merch, but with 50% cut. Saba's million dollar merch sales shown she can handle that on her own.
Looking forward to Saba's plushie.

>>102574460 (OP)
>more poaching rrats made real
VShojo should have been sued for contract interference. No Holo or Niji talent should have been allowed to collab with that group. People were warned but they were ignored. Don't forget, they did it to Pikamee too.

>>102587941
>The biggest reason for joining vshitshow is them handling the merch, but with 50% cut.
You mean 100% lol they took all of Mints money. She was never paid

>>102574460 (OP)
>two
so nimi and saba

>>102588041
50% before they decided to make it 100% last year

>>102575557
According to Kyo, they were poaching Nijisanji members in secret so that management wouldn't find out. So I guess Vshoujo was afraid of Nijisanji going after them

>>102588361
Can they still go after gunrun now even if he flees the country?

>>102588041
Makes more sense why Matara decided to do her own merch. And they booted her out for it. Talking about being greedy to the end, while holding 100%.

>>102587441
I'd believe this. Neither Niji or Holo seems to have a plan for another Gen this year. Ina and Kiara both seem to be on their way out and the vstreamer thing was used by iron mouse.

I wonder if Mint's video taints her in the eyes of Cover. Regardless of Vshojo did or didn't do, Japanese autism suggests Cover surely doesn't like tattletales & blabbermouths who speak out against a corporation.

>>102588492
Self-preservation?

>>102587441
>Nimi's partner is Randon
while this would be memetically legendary this instantly discredits your whole post as made-up bullshit since it's already known who the husband is and it's not him
>There is no new Hololive wave/EN5 coming anytime soon, all I heard is 2026 at the earliest
there is literally no way any indie or small corpo retard shitter has any idea what Cover's plans are because post-Rushia their opsec and hiring/quality control are God-tier (this is also why the likes of Mint or any other semi-popular indie you can think of are not getting in to EN5)
>Ina graduating
you could be right about this one but only by accident though I doubt it because of the Goodsmile promotional contract Ina is tied to
>Kanata is next
this is an absolutely laughable idea and I'm so confident this won't happen that you can screenshot this post and hold me to it and I'll drink my own piss if it actually happens

also EN5 are obviously going to be announced after the AFO concert and debut in September yet again

>>102588492
For starters, she never would have been able to get in anyway. There's been a total of one person who has ever switched companies and she's now gone.
Secondly, I would like to point out that she has repeatedly said she isn't interested in joining Hololive because she wants to do actual idol activities and not just a single concert in Japan yearly

I will never give money to corpos again, fuck you.

>>102588433
It's not illegal

>>102588634
Poaching and industry sabotage is illegal, can you answer the question?

>>102588566
>she isn't interested in joining Hololive because she wants to do actual idol activities and not just a single concert in Japan yearly
She should be trying being a flesh idol instead, then. It's not like Hololive is behind in this department, they're still providing some of the best vtuber concerts from any metric. Scuffed flesh idol stuff works because even if the stages aren't fancy your legs aren't folding into themselves. The minimum amount of investment required for a virtual live concert is higher, so Cover focuses on bigger events. Still not limited to once a year unless you settle for the absolute minimum you get handed to you by the company. Tell Suisei, Sora or Fubuki she only gets to perform once a year.

>>102588557
NTA but I don't think that goodsmile means much. Gura also had stuff with them and left

>>102588953
Ina does streams for them, it's not just having goods coming out, did Gura also do that (actually asking, I don't know).
They probably have a contract signed for an X amount of streams, so she's not leaving until that's done at least.

>>102587483
>Who was it that tried really fucking hard to coin that term instead of "vtuber" but was collectively told to fuck off by the entire industry?
I have no idea what you're trying to talk about. Twitch themselves tried to push the term in 2020/1 because they didnt want to mention direct competitor in youtube, and started advertising "we have vstreamers on twitch" while every one of the actual streamers would call themselves vtubers. After wizard game and some random vei drama (iirc she used the word retard, which is mean and bad) a bunch of ultrasensitive ninnies, largely on twitter, started tagging themselves as vstreamers because they didnt want to be associated with the vtuber community. mouse clippers tag 'vstreamer' for the same reason that they tag 'gwar gura hololive', that reason being they are pond scum.

>mint thread
>not a single image of her ass
wow what a bad thread

>>102588934
She would be except she already tried that and failed. She also doesn't think herself attractive enough and is well aware that she's past prime idol age.
Realistically speaking, she'll never actually find what she's looking for. She wants a company that is big enough to do 3D events and support full mocap 3D. She wants a big cut on merch and to be able to have a say in it but for someone else to handle it.
She wants to do stuff in Japan because she's a weeb but she also doesn't want to move to Japan.
She wants a western group that all have the same levels of autism as her when it comes to idols.
She wants to be a part of a corporation with none of the drawbacks of being in one. No permission bullshit, no favoritism, no cuts, but everything else. And it's because of that, that I don't think she'll actually continue being an indie for another 2 years even

>>102589151
Fair point about age, but the majority of idols aren't particularly attractive. Especially in the indie realm. She failed when she didn't have money to fund her own activities, not the case anymore. The only thing preventing her from making it now is herself. And from what I hear she has shit self esteem so that tracks, but if she gets over it she could be an indie flesh idol in Japan whenever she felt like it.

>>102589151
You don't really need a big corpo to do 3D events in Japan. There is a lot of cheap studios and small venues.

>>102589314
Yes but she wants a corporation to feel less lonely and less like everything is up to her to do. She even mentioned that in the video, she wants to be a part of a gen and have people to talk to after performances and etc.
She's already booked places in Japan to do mocap in and has a full 3d she'll be debuting soon. But what she wants is for someone outside of herself to shill it. She wants to perform in 3d at conventions and concerts and not just in a flat screen in 3d but like Holo and Niji do it, where it's projected.

>>102588492
The "corporation" in question is a ponzi scheme.

>>102589236
She would completely disagree with you on the unattractive part.
If you follow her alt she retweets girls all the time who look like literal aliens but she lusts after them regardless because they're Japanese. She will also literally never get over her lack of self esteem. She needs therapy but will never go due to a bad experience she had.
I don't say these things because I hate her but this is just something I've seen from the past year. She wants a bunch of things that just won't happen here but doesn't want to move to Japan either

>>102589551
Guess she is a woman after all. Shame, she's killing her own potential by making up unattainable standards.

>>102579532
Based
I actually really want to see those two collab. They're both idol-pilled and share the fujoshi gene, I bet they'd be a riot

>>102587441
>- All the recent graduates are Phase bound with the gen 4 coming soon
Gen4 is 2027 at the absolute earliest. Also new members have to be pre-approved by existing members.
That's a metric fuckton of deliberation because Management would rather miss out on big names than foment gayops in the aftermath.
>- Nimi's partner is Randon
Wat.
>Pandora
>ever getting into Holo
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

>>102589625
Yeah. It's sad because I love her a lot but she's very menhera

Being a Wisp is hard. I love her but she's so menhera. She might be the first actual case of imposter syndrome I've seen. As much as I deslike some of the Phase talents its probably her best option since Fishman might be the only person crazy enough to do what she wants to do.

>>102589151
There's nothing stopping Mint and whomever the other 2 girls are from forming their own little indie group and doing stuff together. But if all 3 are not so good at actually organizing events, making decisions,etc then yeah, they won't get far. Not everyone can do those things, it is quite stressful, especially on top of all the other shit. Choreography, song choice, navigation music right bullshit,etc

She'll likely never get to do what she really wants, but few of us do. It's better to do something than nothing though. As long as she has fun with the other girls, feels part of a group and helps her loneliness, then that's a success.

>>102589685
Nyana has been dropping hints about Phase. If she's not gaslighting, there is a new gen scheduled before the end of the year and invaders are always open. I don't think Mint's joining, but there are plenty of opportunities if she wanted.

>>102589843
I think Mint believes she deserves better.
Whether that's true or not is irrelevant but she doesn't strike me as someone who'd admit she was wrong and sign on after refusing the offer once before.

She was so happy when she did a concert with Kiara...

>>102589929
Maybe, but so far Phase is the only corpo that didn't fuck her over. They can't give her what she wants, but, at this point, nobody can unless she does it herself.

>>102589781
LOL
LMAO EVEN

PC is so shit with merch than people are still waiting a year and a half later for merch that will never get there. The girls likely didn't get much of a cut from it if at all. The company's big 3D event has less than 100k views on YouTube over a month later. The majority of PC are literallywhos that make up like 1% of the total en market

>>102589791
Nothing has stopped her from forming any indie group and doing stuff with them but she won't because she's too menhera for that.
She's been doing collabs with the sloppy sisters for over a year now but still talks about how lonely she is because they're not an official group, let alone one she can perform with.

And yes you're right but she doesn't see it that way. She sees it as one failure after another, one set back after the other.

>>102590032
I think she should be a indie and keep trying to strive to her goals by herself but she wants a company and PC is the only one who hasn't fucked her over that she can easily join.

>>102590124
>>102590129
She should form a unit like WeatherPlanet. Not a full corpo, but something that at least helpts builds a long-term bond and maybe they can share managers and cooperate on merch/concert arrangements.

>>102588566
>There's been a total of one person who has ever switched companies and she's now gone.
What? You mean from Niji to Holo? Luna is gone?

>>102590129
She would get fucked over there too. The big merch for PC is coffee that isn't even produced locally but resold after getting their branding stamped on it.
Do you think she'd have a say in her merch there? That she'd be making a decent cut from it? Not to mention that she'd be disappointed by the fans who don't receive the little bits of merch that come out. Also they're already smalldogs in the west, there's no way she'd ever get to do anything in Japan with them. So, no merch, no Japan and maybe a concert per year, maybe. I mean last I saw half the girls didn't even have a second outfit let alone a 3d.
She wouldn't get boosted by it since the company's biggest even has less views than the revenge concert despite featuring over double the amount of people, including their biggest names.

So why exactly would she join again?

>>102590223
I wish she would. But I doubt she ever will

>>102587441
I can believe the Milkyqueen part

>>102590223
I agree but like I said, she has crippling imposter syndrome. Minto think she's bad at marketing herself and probably not good enough to do something like this.

>>102590350
I agree with you man, but she talked about feeling lonely and wanting a corpo. It's not like there's a ton of options

>>102574460 (OP)

>signed with niji
>signed with vshojo

I nominate minto for the "fell for it again" award

>>102582901
Is it seething though if he's just pointing out the facts?

>>102587881
>gura
>gawr gura
>hololive
>nijisanji
>shylily who they are fucking over
LMAO there is no way this is real, Ironmouse put those on her videos?

>>102590613
On the same hand though, what good is an option if it doesn't benefit you at all and in fact might ruin your reputation? It would just make her more miserable because she would get even less than she has now

>>102582756
that was way before EN ever existed. the company was way different than what it is today