Thread 102577307

Man...

>Her YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@mintfantome
>Her Membership
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUMOcHHkJ98eSfa5aj0mdTwwLQ
>Her Twitter
https://twitter.com/MintFantome
>Her Bluesky
https://bsky.app/profile/mintfantome.ghostmaid.cafe

>Twitter Spaces, Concerts, Conventions, etc.
https://mega.nz/folder/f0MmFYRK#Sd2dbdggLSpw5rAs1SNY6g
>Unarchived Karaokes
https://rentry.org/MintoKaraoke

>Merch
https://store.ghostmaid.cafe/
https://shop.moso.moe/mint-fantome/

>Games
https://mintfantome.itch.io/freak-or-treat
https://gioba-games.itch.io/fantome-no-nazo
https://gioba-games.itch.io/mintos-autocror3ct
https://gioba-games.itch.io/mint-n-friends
https://ruzzfe.itch.io/second-button

>Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccfSO2XJ67Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj41JI-jmbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78NqcZGPfBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quKNBWKmNH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz7xnpVB5OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnko4D9dQUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT9IdLhAjLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwmnsxR1Lg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P3l3sTMYOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEj-WEGnx58

>Our Divegrass team
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//mint/

Previous thread: >>102562118

Hug Minto

V1 Minto-chan Poster, my beloved!

KILL GUNRUN

https://x.com/orobou/status/1947833179446120583
I'll be honest I didn't read every post last thread so I have no idea if this was already posted but dooby's artist drew minto again!

>>102577459
A doobster posted the whole set last thread.

I have gunrun tied to a steel chair in my basement and me and every single wisp are taking turns beating him with a spiked baseball bat

It sucks, but as she said the delays were a blessing in disguise and overall it was for the best.
It would have been much worse for her if the whole thing had gone through, to then just fall apart later.

Major apologies from the voms and ex-VSJP thread. Mint is a treasure of a girl and the fact that she was burned twice is heartbreaking. People are beyond mad

>>102577508
Put some capsaicin extract into his bladder with a catheter and then make him chug drinks at gunpoint after taking the cath out.

>>102577568
Thanks man

what are the odds of an onahole collab for her 5 anniversary merch?

>>102577568
Thanks Hotarubro. I hope your girls end up doing fine too. Also post Hotaru's hotdog form if you have it.

>>102577643
There probably won't be any merch, unfortunately

>>102577643
Ask Stronny.

maybe an insensitive time to say it, but I'm impressed with her ability to keep a secret. Didn't slip up even after a year

>>102577704
Are you really worried about sensitivity on 4chan

>>102577704
NDAs and the general vtubing principle of not leaking shit from behind the scenes help a lot

we love minki

I wonder if that meeting she had, was it to find out if any of her project was salvageable? And after she was told no, she made the stream.
I admire her mental strength to be in two streams and not break down in tears mid stream even though she knew that everything had already gone to shit since yesterday

>>102577766
Yeah. A lot of genuine shit-stirrers on the board currently

the twinkle dogs april fools bit was meant to be a cheeky nod to when she finally actually released an idol group..

bros its devastating

How Dare They Do This To My Cute Ghost Maid

Is it fair to call Gunrun the Huey Emerich of vtubing?

>>102577558
This really fucking sucks, but I don't want to think about the timeline where they finally debut and excitedly talk about everything they'll be doing only to have to scrap it all a month in.
Probably the only timeline worse that this one, as far as this goes.

Since Minto isn't using the internet right... Vshojo stole her merch money 2 times and she didn't think anything of it. I love her but her ability of getting scammed never fails to impress me.

>>102577907
I'll allow it

>>102577666
I would post the soundpost but I don't want to take up space in the thread. I hope all these girls manage to achieve their dream some day.

>>102577831
No, she already talked something about how thinking of much to withhold because she'd rather "announce" it later, during the pre chat in the stream earlier today.

>>102577568
Thanks bro, I hope you guys are doing okay over there too

>>102577907
The most apt comparison, it only gets worse

>>102577704
Fwiw only a few people not directly involved knew. Seems like some news slipped during offkai, which makes sense, and some fags found out. But they at least kept it to vaguing at most.

>>102577907
More like fucking zero, orchestrating everything behind the scenes to get Mint into his organisation only to betray her later.
Minto is truly the venom snake of the vtubers.

>>102577915
She'd be much happier the moment the gen would have debuted, but also much sadder the moment Vshojo would die. A shit deal in any case

>>102578068
Time to change her name back to Punished Minto on Twitter

>>102578138
Minto...

>>102578138
uuuuuu

>>102578068
>"I'm gonna take back everything we've lost"
>"Matara, I'm already a ghost. Corpos aren't my kind of place anyway"

>>102577907
He's more a Zero to me.
The rest of the La-li-lu-le-lo is VShojo
Mouse probably is the Big Boss
Mint is the The Phantom, Vemon

Where's Dachiface when you need him

>Minto is hates Minto
>Minto is Venom
>Minto hates Venom
It all makes sense

If only she could do a Suisei type deal with Holo

>>102577907
He was probably just in over his head and desperately trying to use any and all available funds, even ones he really shouldn't have been dipping into, to try to get the company out of the red and back on it's feet, which obviously he wasn't able to do before it imploded.
Maybe there was actual evil bullshit involved but it's easier for me to believe it was just incompetence once shit started to hit the fan.

I just want to give her a hug I hate this world so much

>>102578221
I know how you feel. I've felt that. So show me. That I'm not the only one. That you too can return to this world for revenge.

>>102578348
Considering the complete silence, and that there is an actual vshojo leaker in the ex-vshiojo thread that leaked the idol gen half an hour before Mint't stream, with the posts they made it's obvious that gurnrun took all the money and fucked off.

>>102578348
I wish bankruptcy proceedings required full public disclosure, we'll probably never know what exact kind of financial fuckery went down.

>>102578348
>in over his head and desperately trying
So he's Huey Emmerich?

>>102577907
Gunrun is Kaz if he embezzled all GMP funds for his burger joint

>>102577907
It's funny how ex-Twitch people always assume that they have Amazon's wallet to stay in the green
I'm just surprised nobody rocked the boat when they had a quarter with no payments to the talents

I want to save Minto

Wisps can I please have a hug? It's pathetic but I really need one right now

So it's become clear at this point that Mint is only doing this whole indie thing because she was anticipating joining VShojo. Now she has basically no reason to be here anymore. I bet she's gonna vanish.

RELEASE THE GUNRUN FILES

Who do you think she was refering to when she said people that knew 'let others walk into a burning building'? That's the sharpest anyone's statement about any of this has been, but was still vague. I guess you can try to work it out based on who she was close with a year ago but has distanced herself from, but that's only Matara, publicly? She could mean former members that she was talking with privately too, or someone else entirely.

>>102578585
I can do the next best thing.

>>102578585
not a wisp but here you go friend

>>102578664
Gunrun. She legit namedropped him and said she knew him even before she started tubing. There was no reading between the lines needed here anon, she straight called him out.

>>102578587
Nice try dramatranny but she said the opposite on twitter lmao
>>102578664
And here we have the same dramatranny trying another angle, making it obviously clear he did not watch the first like 2 minutes of the stream.

>>102578664
Nah, she was referring to Gunrun. Gunrun would know EVERYTHING about the state of the company, yet led her on about it for the past year.

>>102578664
Gunrun, Minto literally said she knew him from before becoming a streamer

>go to sleep
>wake up and see this
fuck... gunrun deserves to be tortured to death, minto and the others don't deserve this

man minto dodged all the rounds, including the gun getting thrown at her lmao

>>102578740
>dodged
I wish she got out unscathed, but unfortunately, it's a bit harder to dodge rockets.
As in, rocket launcher rockets, the point being that she still was impacted.

>>102578740
she didn't dodge anything, she put in a ton of work for stuff that's just now not going to happen.

>>102578740
Losing a year of work doesn't seem like dodging all the rounds. It's more just like she survived. In a way... it's like she's waking up in a hospital 9 years later

>>102578636
>>102578685
>>102578710
>>102578756
Thank you. Sorry for asking I know it's dumb.. Sending lots of love your ways too

>>102578664
Interestingly Shylily also used the same exact phrase earlier in the day. For what it's worth she's probably talking about staff members who were aware of the financial issues.

>>102578740
No dodging, only tanking bullets

I have a theory on one of the people that could have been in her group and I hope it's not true...

>>102578740
She lost a year of work and tens of thousands of dollars in flights and hotels that definitely weren't reimbursed and thousands of hours of time spent working on stuff

>>102578864
It was a JP group so any theory involving non-jp personalities is fake.

Mint is cool in my book and doesn't deserve this shit, my condolences

>>102578864
Phoebe? Maybe. Saba? No.

>>102578900
It does involve one....

>>102578882
Don't forget she didn't got any money from the mug merch too.

>>102578921
Thanks bro, your oshi is sex

>>102578900
This was literally debunked last thread

>>102578992
>debunked
>when Mint said it on stream
based retard

>>102578740
She didn't dodged anything, she like every other talent is a victim at some degree, both money wise, work wise and obviously crushed dreams.
Yeah, yeah, I understand the distaste for VShojo, but Mint wanted to really make the idol group work for her, and this was the best route she could have gotten it. Access to Mofuku/Dearstage and assets (that would be later found out to not exists) to do that, would have done wonders for Mint.
Sadly just like most of them, they believed the fallacies of Gunrun, and well, had their dreams crushed.

I really feel for Ironmouse, the charity is such an important thing for her and to do that to her, is insane. And people here throw shit at Matara, a person who would genuinely feel like the absolute worse to crush a dream like that to her friend, and the fact they still talk makes me feel like Mint doesn't blame her, in some way remember that Mint did commented on Matara's being fired, had things not been public, Mint would have joined a group without her dear friend.

>>102578864
Please, spill the tea.

>>102578945
Speaking of the merch
Do you think we could charge back that if we bought it?

>>102579095
I have no idea how that works

>>102579018
Mint said the staff was JP
Phoebe was most likely in her gen and is an EN vtuber

>>102579095
Charge from whom, lmao

>>102579077
I don't know... this Mint looks kinda weird

>>102579095
You gotta look up the terms with your CC provider. Generally: yeah, if you aren't provided with what you paid for, you have standing to do it. There's nuance around when they promised to deliver by, if that date's passed, how long it's been since the charge, etc.

>>102578921
your kindness is much appreciated. i think putting on an irys vod and just passing out seems as good an idea as any right now. im tired.

>>102579190
But it was delivered the main thing I was asking is if you end up paying the wrong entity could you charge that back?

>>102579095
Don't think it would be wise, since the merch was actually shipped out.

As more and more minutes pass, I find myself unfortunately getting kind of annoyed at her. She admitted that they'd failed to fulfil their obligations to her. But she just thought: "Oh, it's okay if they aren't paying me money I'm owed?"
Come on, Minto...
Then I feel bad again because it shows how desperate she was for things to work out for her

>>102579308
It was a shared feeling between everyone, I'm afraid so. Could have been some managers ease out the blow that top management was doing.

>>102579308
You underestimate how obedient people can be when they are lead on

>>102579077
i remember when retards said cc's model was meant for mint when it had obvious references to soya like the wind up key

>>102579303
Ehhh. I wouldn't risk it. I get the sentiment but I'm guessing your CC provider will view it as chargeback abuse.

weh~

I don't know what's going on and I don't want to speculate so I'm just gonna focus on celebrating her anniversary tomorrow.

>>102579308
I also got a little annoyed ngl. How she didn't notice the redflags after suffering so much in Nijisanji.

>>102579308
To her, it's not about the money, it's about achieving her dreams/goals.

>>102579369
I was one of the people denying it at the start of the BR stream, but as she was saying it, I was instantly like "oh this is something Mint would do"

>>102579386
>like the wind up key
Huh?

Minto always waiting for the right call that will never come but she just accepts any promising calls to fill the emptiness.

So Mint was technically signed onto vshojo
Imagine the alt reality where vshojo talents couldn't keep their IP - what a disaster

>>102579588
Should have stayed in NijiEN. Maririn and Rosemi are huge successfull idols now, meanwhile she's a dead weight at this point lmao.

>>102579639
At least put your heart into your bait. Come on, man.

>>102579639
never reply to me again, kys.

>>102579530
Oh, I know...
Here's a sadly fitting podcast moment
https://youtu.be/oFDHpViLCdw?t=3055

>>102579545
the soya model had a sprout coming out of her head
the wind up key mimics the shape of a sprout

>>102502725 (me)
I... I think I should've kept playing vidiya...

>>102579727
Oh, that's cool

>>102579727
Ah, fuck - I went to remind myself how the model looked and think I saw her face. Ah well.

So sad that she’s getting fucked and have to make a step back each time she tries to make something significant

wisps I think I might be autistic..

>>102579860
>might

>>102579308
Dearstage was on board. People are kind of use to delays when it comes to projects. I can understand her being lead on, I just don't know what initial time frame of this was suppose to take place over.

>>102579860
It's ok, Minto

>>102579860
It's ok, many of us are

This all makes me want to rewatch her content over the past year with all this in mind, especially her streams after anybody announced they were leaving Vshojo.

>>102579786
What? Do you mean you think you saw her actual face on Google images? Because if you search her name there are about six different women who pop up, so I wouldn't worry too much.

>>102580003
Also kinda puts into perspective her menhera tweets. Everyone thought they were done despite things appearing fine, but now we know there was shit going on BTS causing her feel like that.

trigger warning i searched for this thread from the catalog
as happy as i am that mint managed to dodge all of this (can you imagine joining days before all of that exploded? jesus), i'm really saddened to see that she was still actively working to be in a corpo all along - i really thought that she was enjoying the indie life and was capable of achieving her dreams with her own strengths and connections. Am I wrong in thinking like this?

I'm sure this was already asked many times but if the idol dream is so big to her still then why doesn't she go all in with Hololive? with how welcomed and a shoe in it would be to get in

>>102580065
at least wawa made her feel a bit happy during her recordings of her 3D Live

>>102580052
Ah, nice. I only saw one and it seemed in the right racial neighborhood so I just assumed

>>102579860
>I think
that's far worse than autism

>>102580099
>as happy as i am that mint managed to dodge all of this
In what way did Mint dodge any of this? Vshojo owes her money, Vshojo seems to have tentatively signed her on as a talent and has no dashed huge lifelong goals.

What I don't understand is how VShojo, especially Gunrun expects to be able to pull this shit and ever expect to show his face anywhere ever again

>>102580099
Unfortunately, most indies don't have entertainment industry connections, whereas VshojoJP had a direct connection to her oshi idol group Dearstage.

>>102580099
Mint was talking openly last summer that she missed the feeling of belonging to a gen and doing stuff in a big vtuber group - something shitters used as an angle to push that she missed NijiEN specifically. So while we could understand this sentiment, since she never told anyone she was in the process of joining Vshojo we all assumed that she got used to being an indie and everything was fine again

>>102580112
>The company that Kiara has complained about consistently for years on her other account
>The company that just this year had 8 graduations over problems with management
No. They treated her well when she visited because she was a guest but you know as well as I do that they're a JP corpo and scummy at their root.

>>102580099
She didn't really dodge anything
She got turbofucked. She was under contract

>>102580112
I wouldn't be surprised if Cover and Anycolor have an agreement to not hire each other's ex-talents in order to prevent both fanbases from exploding.
>but luna!
Much different times, and both companies learned their lesson from that affair.

Wisps I have a dumb question
Was she considering moving to Japan because she'd have a visa sponsorship from Vshojo JP if things hadn't fallen through?

>>102580099
You're fine for feeling that way. A lot of us have similar feelings. She just has dumb brainworms that make her feel like she's never doing enough and always has to go further and further

>>102580319
She was never considering moving to Japan because it would mean she'd have to be farther from me

>>102580319
I highly doubt it

wisps

i'm mad

>>102580370
Then who was Doki referring to as moving to japan?

>>102580390
Hi mad, I'm Pomu

>>102580319
we're going to realizing a lot of things looking back over the next few days

Wisps

I'm horny

>>102580390
Same. It sucks that all I can do is just put words on the internet.

>>102580430
I'd be careful saying that 'round these parts, pardner

>>102580441
Well you could track down Gunrun and stab the guy since it's well known where he lives in Sanfran

>>102580517
>since it's well known where he lives in Sanfran
He's probably on his way to a country that doesn't have extradition agreements with USA at this point. Or already there.

I am tired of thinking. I am just going to sleep and forget about this until her anniversary.

>>102580611
Same good night pomie #2

>>102580611
Good night!

Never trust corpos

I just realized something
Since they were all signed members, technically beri and pia are mint's kouhai

please stop trying to go corpo now...

>>102580699
They'd be her senpai since they would have debuted first

>>102580242
>>102580288
ah shit sorry i see, i'm obviously missing information, I thought she was in the process of signing up and initially dealing with vshojo, not that she was already signed up and she was just waiting before the gen debut. Was it just waiting while employed or was something more involved, cause I saw the word 'merch' thrown around? Were her indie activities influenced/affected during this period?

>>102580790
Anon, mint said her gen was debuting first before the monster girls

To be completely honest, in an alternate universe, what would your reaction have been when it is revealed that she is part of a new generation of idols in Vshojo?
Personally I've never been a fan of VS let alone ironmouse, mainly because of how she handled the graduations of nyanners, silver and vei bae, so I don't know how I would have felt, I guess a bit annoyed at first but I still would have supported her if it would have made her happy.

>>102580796
She was literally a signed vshojo member
She has made muuuuuultiple trips to japan in the last 6-8 months to do a shit ton of work for this and it's all ruined. So yes it affected her

>>102580796
She goes into considerable detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4

>Decides to watch Pomu again
>She immediately graduates
>Decides to watch Mint again
>She immediately gets scammed
It's my fault

>>102580818
I'm not a retarded catalog schizo so I would be happy for her

>>102580818
I like(d) vshojo so I wouldve been cool with it

>>102580852
>black stream
i dont have the heart to watch it but i guess i gotta man up if i want to stop asking retarded questions

>>102580818
I'd trust Minto

>>102580818
Fine by me. Only issue I've ever had with them is that I couldn't watch Pika for months without also having to watch Zen, but that dropped off at some point

>>102580818
I'd have been happy for her, regardless of how I feel about anyone else in vshojo. As someone who's pushing towards a somewhat niche lifelong goal/dream, it really gutted me to listen to this 15 minute video, and anyone who's been around here long enough knows how much she loves her idol stuff. Vshojo is loose enough that as long as she got on well with/liked her groupmates I'd have nothing negative to say.
Though listening to her also did reassure me that there is life after if things fall through with my plans, but my heart goes out to the girl

>>102580818
I dunno, as a VShojo fan, and let's assume this whole shit didn't went the went it went, and VSJ was actually giving money and stuff
I think it would have been pretty good for her, sure there's talents people here would have not wanted to see, and I get that, but at the same time, imagine her having camaraderie she felt good to be with and probably opportunities to go legit like their JPs went with UMJ

>>102580796
She confirmed Vshojo handled her Valentine's Day merch (kinda already knew this because of the paypal payment being link to Vshojo), and that she had been working on a bunch of projects behind-the-scenes in prep for the gen debut.
>Were her indie activities influenced/affected during this period?
I don't think so? If you want to make a very long stretch, maybe that Lockdown Protocol collab she had with Hestia, Henya, Kson, and others, just to get to know them better?

Hate to say it but it's kind of hot listening to her cries, it literally made me hard

>>102580955
She probably met Hestia in one trip to Japan, she also followed Peke and Nagi. The NOVAs despite what they look like are genuienly solid generation, they love to hang out with each other. Man I hope they are safe :(

>>102580287
Why lie about Kiara?

Mint is retarded

>>102580112
i think the interviewers know that mint is too big, also would attract a lot of bad looks from anycolor, i know that if they fax her the invitation she would have her doubts for a while but will accept, but they just can't

>>102580818
To be honest, I truly don't give a shit about idol stuff and think all vtuber music kind of sucks ass. So to answer your question, I'd be disappointed at the idea that she'd probably take more time off to practice for concerts.
In the grand scheme of things I don't think it'd change everything, so I'd mostly just be like bleh.

I know it's her dream and I feel bad that it's something I don't care about.

>>102580818
I always disliked VShojo so I won't pretend that it wouldn't irk me. I don't think it'd make me stop unless it became an issue where all the streams were collabs with the members I don't like but I'd just not watch, much like before.

>>102577568
こちらこそ dude... poor Henya....

>>102581060
You can't be expected to care about everything someone you like is doing. I've never cared for singing stuff either so i simply just don't watch it. I like a very specific genre of music that the idol stuff doesn't get close to.

>>102580309
Luna is literally ex-Niji.

>>102580905
You can open the description and click "transcript" if you would rather read instead of listen to her.

>>102580112
You're retarded if you believe Mint is ever joining. It's better for her to be a fan, than see the actual behind the scenes. Besides all the good talents already left.

Oh, let me get this straight
>Minto has been in Vshojo (contractually) for over a year (something I speculated and kept to myself) because over a year ago (early in her indie career), she was lonely and in a vulnerable place
>Minto was supposed to debut on the JP side of Vshojo in an idol group (separate from the one Beri, Pia, etc were in)
>The debut got pushed back, and now the plans/ideas she had with them are gone
Am I correct, and are there any other details I'm missing?

>>102581222
You mean Kiara is a bad talent?

>>102579369
Or even just when they don't think they have the power to do anything about it.

>>102580955
How did she just ignore consistently not getting paid for her merch?

>>102581283
Yeah, that's the gist of it. But also they didn't gave her the money for merch drops (both podcast and her own stuff from February).

Oh boy, looks like two of my favorite streamers "Berald" bug and Minto put out some youtube videos, I'm gonna go check those out

>>102581283
I don't have an autistic recollection but sounds more or less right to me.
I do hope that some of those plans/ideas can see life in a later form if she's comfortable with it.

>>102581283
>Oh, let me get this straight
Consider the following

Wait- no- no no no Beri stop crying what's going on

monkey paw wish; she avoided debut in Vshojo joins mythic instead

>>102581341
From her perspective, she cares more about achieving her goals/dreams than she does about the money. "Just put that money towards my dream of an idol gen" was probably her line of thinking.

>>102577448
Phase Connect is right there

>wake up
>feel happy
>watch minki stream
>now i'm sad
gunrun will pay for his crimes

>>102577448
Skinwalking.

Did she seem more fragile recently? What with people starting to leave and all?

>>102581359
>>102581395
I woke up like an hour ago, and I've been playing this video on loop for a while now. I'm just filled with so much hatred towards the people who made Minto cry, no words can describe the hate I feel for Gunrun and his bootlicking toadies

>>102581579
i just keep getting madder knowing that they also hurt her friends
like what the fuck did beri do in her past life

>>102581297
Sorry, is this, like, even slightly in contention?

>>102581579
She's so broken by this her stream was almost incoherent. Really sad to see.

>>102581450
Phase Connect is an explicitly right wing company, she might not mesh very well with them. Still wish they hired Kirsche though.

>>102581664
How left wing is Mint?

>>102581664
>>102581702
Can both of you mongoloids fuck off

The saddest thing I think is that surely her generation had a song and dance routine ready to debut with which was already complete and now it will never see the light of day, fuck.

You've done your part. You cried plenty. You've known the pain of broken promises. And even now you think, as any fan would, that this can't be happening. Is it vtuber culture? Morals, faith? Just the imprint of a lifetime of watching streams? Face to face with oblivion, which is where you are, and you still think that everything will be fine. The hobby you were born into is meant to save you. Isn't that right? Of course it is. Everyone knows that. Until your last breath, you know it. Without the slightest chance or reason left to them, people are capable of hope. I'm no different. But for one thing. When my time came calling I didn't die. When my time came calling I didn't die. My oshi died, my fandom died, but they didn't take me with them. All the graduation took from me was this skin, this outer peel that marked me "Pomu".

All I'll say is I really, really, really hope all of the "preshojo" girls get together and do stuff. They already built rapport together. Also...
I joined Pia's discord server today and found this...

>>102581740
What if... what if we have heard it, and it was the song Twinkle Dogs used?

>>102581702
Typical example of why we need to repeal the 19th amendment, no explicit ideology but supports dumb shit that needs to be banned like LGBT, soft on crime, etc.

https://files.catbox.moe/gdk4p3.mp4
Urufugang/phasefag here, solidarity with wisps. Your oshi has always been cool in my eyes cause she helped out my oshi during her heatstroke episode. Sucks that she got burned by some bullshit, hope she can get her dreams realized.

Man I feel bad for Mint and you guys, never met a bad Wisp myself, all of you are cool people both online and irl.

>>102581810
>I was the most excited to play minecraft with mint
O O F

>>102581916
Looking forward to her signing onto a secret idol gen for Phase, then the company crashing.

>>102581810
JUST START A DAMN MINECRAFT SERVER YOU DUMMIES
THERE ARE SO MANY SERVER PROVIDERS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
And now I realize this is actually the reason Minto didn't went with trying to get another MC server going, she was waiting for the vshojo stuff

>>102582023
>this is actually the reason Minto didn't went with trying to get another MC server going, she was waiting for the vshojo stuff
Pretty much this. But hey, maybe she'll actually make one now

Might as well make an ex-vshojo mc with preshojos. But I still don't want Mint to interact with some of the exwhorejos

you glow catalogfag

>>102581810
Well if things go well, there's two minecraft servers by two exshojos on the works because VShojo was so fucking stupid to do them themselves. One is by Geega and the other is by Mouse.
Mouse at least follows the "preshojos"

>>102582152
>on the works
Surely it can't take more than like... 15 minutes to set up an MC server?

thoughts on insects?

>>102582152
I'll be honest: the vshojo server was goddamn awful. Way too many shitty mods, barely anyone played on it, and the few people that did did not mesh with Mint at all. I would rather Mint or Pia or Beri started their own server and kept it to a small circle of them+maybe a few other like Doki.

There is NO crazier vtuber idol journey than Mint's
Just when you think the show is concluding... BAM UNEXPECTED SEASON RENEWAL

>>102582222
Sadly they liked modded, much to the distaste of some other members, well used to be members
I put more my trust on the geega one if I'm being honest.
>>102582251
love em, hope beri is alright.
>>102582270
yea, that's another issue

I've always got bad vibes from Vshojo, I've never said anything about the org out of respect for the fans of the talents, whenever someone was /in/posting about Laimu, Snuffy, or Doki being /in/, my stomach would turn because I knew deep down that Vshojo was fishy, I would get slightly defensive whenever they were said to be /in/, I dreaded the thought of them joining, I've even kept my speculation of Minto being /in/ because I hated that it could possibly be true, knowing that if that was somehow the case it was going to affect her negatively, and I was right

Wisps, I just woke up and I've seen her video. I'm quite mad, she doesn't deserves any of this

This is all Matara's fault.

>>102582333
That's how I always felt about niji, but I never got bad vibes from vshojo. This whole thing has blindsided me

>>102582270
>maybe a few other like Doki
Pomu and Selen getting stuck in that fucking basin forever... I know they don't look back at the era fondly but that was a good fucking stream

>>102582410
i was kind of hoping vshojo represented a new type of corpo without all the god-awful graduations where they could keep their old fanbase but Nooooo gunrun had to run off with the bag

>>102582410
Almost as if you have bad instincts and are wrong about everything all the time. But I'm sure you'll learn nothing and you're gonna continue believing stupid shit your gut told you.

I can't believe VShojo literally saw Minto and went
>You look lonely. We can fix that.

>>102582497
More like
>You look vulnerable. We can make money from you.

>>102582485
What a hinged and sane comment. Also
>thinking niji was shit
>bad instincts
ogey schizo

>>102577307 (OP)
>Nobody knew how bad it was, except for the people who did and let others walk into a burning building

Who do you think she's referring to?

>>102582333
I would get the ick from Vshojo all the time and whenever I criticized them, diehard Vshojofaggots and Gunrunshills would shut down anything thing I said as "anti'ing or schizoing" well I hope they're happy now that everything has blown up so horrifically.

>>102582548
>Didn't recognize that vshojo and all corpos are evil
Skill issue

>>102582551
Hello catalogtranny, she literally says it in the stream :)

>>102582551
she's upset mata didn't stop her

>>102582548
>niji is bad as per reddit
Always trust leechbird and everything she says.

>>102582551
Gunrun. He knew full well what the state of the company was when she proposed the idea to him. Instead of saying "sorry but we're stretched too thin to do this", he instead led her on for the past year.

Weird time for a raid but it is what it is I guess

>>102582410
I can sort of understand why some were blindsided by this, on the surface level, Vshojo is a solid example of what a corpo should be, but look a little deeper, and you see that something wasn't right

>>102582410
i bet you don't see flags about hololive too

>>102582627
*brapppps down your throat*

>>102582358
I feel the same way, goon

>>102582749
Based Batposter

>>102582749
mintoatvideogames?

>>102582485
>>102582627
>>102582720
Whatever meds you've stopped taking, I recommend starting again

>>102582720
niji and holo are japanese, vshojo was american

Unironically Phase would welcome her with open arms. They all love her. And the fish is ACTUALLY rich and not just fake rich backed by VC sharks. She can run the entire group of star-women since none of them can organize for shit and they’re all her age.

>thread gets shat up
>btw join phase
every time

>>102582873
Phasecuck you could at least TRY to watch the stream so you have an understanding of what she was offered is impossible for phase to provide.

>>102582873
Phase doesn't have the entertainment/idol industry connections she's looking for.

I feel sorry for Mint. I feel sorry for all the ex-members of Vshojo, none of them deserved this. Hope Mint and you guys stay strong.

gunrun and his henchmen are doing damage control by bring up other corpos and orgs to derail conversions about how shitty he and his corposcam is btw, vshojo staff have been known to be /here/ are probably the ones who are throwing shit at the wall to save face and distract from the real conversation (vshojo being shit)

>>102581916
Wait she did? I wasn't caught up to this time but that's pretty cool of mint.

>>102583059
You too, stay strong, henyabro, we'll overcome this

>>102583064
there's no damage control
you gotta realize that at this point gunrun is, so to say, 'cooked' - there's no redeeming out of stealing charity money, there's no comeback story for vshojo as an org, there's no derailing to save face /here/ of all places
you are being had by cataloggers masturbating furiously to getting a reaction out of you

>>102583059
You too stay strong

>>102583139
Tell me, why do they wear the masks?

Not sure how I feel about her very nearly becoming Vshojo. I never liked the place for multiple reasons and it feels weird knowing she could have ended up there.

Well, on the bright side no more long trips to Japan lol

>>102583346
Wanna bet?

>>102583261
Henya was a really odd fit for Vshojo too.

>>102583346
....anon, I...

>>102583346
Bro, she's a huge weeb.

So when is she going to bite the bullet and join Vshojo?

she's such a drama queen wwww

>>102583346
If idol work can be done stateside.

I'm so sorry wisps, it breaks me to see her like that. At the same time, I hope that she can also learn a lesson from all of this shit: she's more than enough, she's surrounded by people that love and look up to her and she doesn't need a corpo structure behind her to thrive

>>102583626
What idol work? Everything she worked on was dependant on vshojo. Now that vshojo is gone, she has 0 connections to keep doing things she was travelling for.

>>102583665
She said herself she'd like help with promoting/marketing and being part of a group to have friends to collab with

>>102583670
Which concert/3D appearance over the last month had anything to do with Vshojo?

>>102583775
Literally her 3d debut lol, she said that maybe she will still be able to release it. But now that the connections are gone, it means she's without staff, without 3d studio, without anything.

While it's fucking sad that Minto and her idol girls got burned i'm kinda glad it happened before they debuted, sure they lost a lot of the work done already but imagine if this shitstorm happened like after they debuted? A day before the concert? It would be so much more devastating than this, at least the can recover faster and learn to never trust corpos.

>>102583799
You didn't answer the question.

>>102583754
I know, but at least for marketing and promoting she can always hire someone, like Doki does.

>>102583892
Never trust entertainment corpos.

Since Minto is on her Retro arc, I would like for her to stream SimCity SNES. Not even a full playthrough, just a single stream where she is silly building a town.

Imagine if Saba was in her idol gen, would this be a generational fumble?

I'm really very upset. She deserves so much better. I haven't felt this bad in a while.

>>102584053
It would have been a fumble to get saba, yes. Considering how lazy she is.

>>102584053
I know that the catalog is running wild with this rrat, but I don't really buy it to be honest

>>102584053
The popularity difference would be rough. Phoebee is pretty small, Mint is big for an indie but Saba is just on a different level.

This proves Minto is open to poaching and being in a community. Fishman is going to keep trying.

>>102584091
>Followed Mint
>Followed Gunrun
>Unfollowed Gunrun
I know it's a far fetch but it's so comically funny I want this to be real

>>102584124
>>102582951

>>102584053
The timing doesn't even add up.

>>102584091
Does Cillia take new clients? Where did that connection come from?

>>102584272
I think for a certain level of client, all doors open themselves

>>102584272
Officially no, but she clearly takes on big clients behind the scenes or via connections.

>>102584053
It's an amusing ratt for sure but it's all just pure coincidence and people purposely taking loopy sleep deprived chat messages out of context.

>>102584312
I don't think it was just a random pick and choose thing. I think we'll quickly see if there's any validity to the rrats over the next month or so.

>>102584272
When vtuber Lebron asks you to rig a model you don't say no

>>102584272
She closed commissions not long ago, and like most high profile ex-corpo indies Saba was planning her redebut well in advance, so there are no issue with the timeline. And like >>102584312
said, no one would refuse to take Saba as a client

Why are sabacucks talking about their lazy whore here? Don't you have your own thread?

>>102584272
i think snuffy was basically her last commission that wasnt a big name ex-corpo like doki, mint, or saba

>>102584433
In times of drama, the veil between threads is at its thinnest. In time things will return to normal.

It's clear she craves the structure of a defined group but keeps getting screwed by logistics red tape and money men. It'd be nice if everyone fucked over by this could become closer, a small unofficial network not belonging to any corpo but working together independently to help eachother and anyone that would hire them. Some sort of... vtubers sans frontiers

I don't get. If my employer owed me 10 dollars for more than a week I'd make a fuss about it so I just don't understand how tens of talents, possibly hundreds of artists, riggers, etc., whole charities, outside people like Mint and all the other vtubers and who knows how many more people will eventually come out with new allegations (even fucking Kaho Shibuya's somehow involved?) get basically scammed for months and it took them this long to say anything?, Like, they hadn't pay Kson in 10 months, same with Henya, Mint was basically working for them for free, and no one said anything. Man, I hope they sue the fuck out of Gunrun and everyone involved but, idk, is it really that hard to tell when you're just getting fucked?

>>102577307 (OP)
Holy leech, she really can't stop huh? Must be the jewish blood in her kek

>>102578348
Yeah, it's probably best to assume complete incompetence instead of outright malice the entire time. Your company starts going in the red so you funnel the money you do have into some big thing that's supposed to make it back and pay off all your debt and you just fuck up and ruin everything. He should still hang, but it's really brown to assume it was an outright rugpull the entire time.

>>102584872
A corpo that is alive can still sue you for breaking NDA, and Vshojo seemed to be ruthless behind the scene with them abusing NDAs.
Now that Vshojo is effectively dead, broke, and the CEO is MIA after breaking the law, no one is scared of them anymore.

>>102584830
I unironically want this for a lot of vtubers. I don't think it'll ever happen.

>>102584830
Are they going to keep the skull in their logo?

this shit really was a "fell for it again award" for the entire western vtuber industry, huh?

>>102584830
It'll never work for long. The overbearing red tape of a jap corpo is the only thing that keeps the structure working. But mint is unironically too American to thrive in that environment.

rumao

>>102582251
she's a cute dumb girl. I've been watching vods recently of her taking notes of slurs to use in Disco Elysium and playing dark souls while the 4kids national anthem interrupts her at random and she has to salute no matter what, she's pretty funny

Total Gunrun Death

>>102584982
I think something as simple as a group minecraft server for the ex-vshojo could be nice, let all the people that should have had a reason to interact with eachother do so and commiserate. Of course minki is an introvert so it'd have to be someone else setting it up and adopting her.

>>102585028
No, because VS was around for a while, and it was doing something different from other corporations.

>>102585204
Just make it a pre-shojo server with idol and monster girls. We don't need all the vshojos.

>>102584872
You can ask Wisps /here/ how they waited weeks and months for their merch or signed postcards from Patreon or whatever. People can be very patient if you give them false hope

>>102584830
>That kind of network? A loose, independent alliance of vtubers helping each other, free from corporate baggage? It sounds ideal - but it’s exactly what The Wehtriots were built to prevent. They're not just some management group - they’re a self-regulating system of contracts, backend deals, and algorithmic throttling, all working to make sure vtubers stay isolated, dependent, and easy to control. Anyone who tries to build something outside the system gets buried under red tape or pushed into obscurity. It's not bad luck; it's by design.

>>102585250
Wisps are also retarded and don't want to make a fuss because it would just make Mint blame herself for the merch.

>>102584830
>>102585268
You know the more I look back on Metal Gear the more I appreciate things about it.

>>102585281
>Wisps are also retarded
Fuck you too, buddy

>>102584830
I know she'd never take a leading role in organizing anything but the metal gear obsessed girl that has been beaten and bruised by corrupted governments starting the VSF would be really cool. She could genuinely become a Big Boss type figure.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAA HAAAA HAAAA I CAN'T BREATH
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAHAHA

No matter what I luv Mint and Wisps Yes i'm drunk and I did draw this

>>102585317
Would be great.

>>102585324
Yeah I can't stop laughing either thinking that the next holo graduation is coming in less than a month

>>102585361
cute

>>102585294
It's kino. The story gets shit on a lot because of how much it had to get retconned, but thematically it was pretty ambitious for a fucking video game series

>>102585361
That Wisp? Yeah, me

>>102585324
>I CAN'T BREATH
You also can't speak english

>>102585392
Yeah it really is. There's a lot of good messages in there, underneath things.

Mint! Give up the idol shit and just stream! Nobody actually cares about that shit! Just stream games!

>>102585324
Easy, mate. You can suffocate.

>>102585294
When Mint was explaining it to Mimi I understood nothing

>>102584872
When it's a big company that's putting it's name on the line as credit you kinda just assume they know what they're doing on any level. It's not like some random druggy borrowing 50 bucks from you and saying they'll pay it back next week ad infinitum, this is the largest major vtuber company in the entire western world. You assume you'll get the money eventually because the idea that they'd be scamming everyone in a ponzi scheme is absurd, just up until it isn't. You can rag on them for being naive longer than they should have been but social credit goes a long way before you notice the canary in the coal mine is a rotting skeleton.

Fucking Matara

>>102585449
Matara pushing Mint to get back on the horse and achieve what she wants is not the problem here.

>>102585449
I'd fuck Matara

Is there a possibility she just borrows holo resources to do idolshit if she wants, and pays for them?

>>102585449
i wish i was fucking matara

>>102585481
What resources? She needs connections

>>102585449
Don't mind if I do

>>102585449
Don't tempt me, I don't want to take out my onahole

>>102585442
>this is the largest major vtuber company in the entire western world.
*was!
And your braindead oshi was so retarded she fell for it. Working for free for months.

>>102585442
"This company stole 500k from charity" is a spicy headline, I wonder if this vshojo stuff will make it to boomer media. Imagine grandma asking who Ironmouse and Maid Mint are because she saw it on fox news.

>>102585506
She has connections(chiken, lol) A studio, production, etc.

Matara was fired for telling Vshojo to pay Minto.

>>102585616
I believe it

>>102585616
finally someone said it

>>102585616
Nah, if anything it was breaking her contract and doing merch through Bricky instead of vshojo.

>>102585616
>>102585645

"excuse me, she asked for no pickles" but for $80,000 instead

>>102585616
I actually do believe it. That woman refuses to stay down and I respect her for it.

>>102585660
You can't be fired for multiple reasons?

>>102585616
true

>>102585615
Retarded catalog tranny, that's not the connections she wants. She wants connections to Dearstage, the wider idol and entertainment industry. Hololive can't provide that to her. ESPECIALLY the Dearstage connections.

>>102585616
If that was the issue she would have forced Mint to break contract at that time. But I assume it was a Matara issue instead (more likely her own finances).

>>102585615
Chicken won't get her to collab with Dearstage

>>102585616
I really hope her friends boost her self esteem, I cannot imagine signing up for a corpo that didn't fucking pay me for my merch

>>102585660
she was fired for both of those reasons

>from hating Matara to kneeling in 10 posts
Schizowisps...

>>102585615
Chicken will get her connections to Kanauru so she can have skinwalked mvs

>>102585610
Saba seemed to be preparing a statement on this too. "worlds biggest cartoon youtuber wronged" is another angle as well, it's kind of easy to lose yourself in the weeds and be mad at them for just someone you watch but this is a massive industrywide scandal.

>>102585710
The only ones hating on Matara ITT are tourists. Matara is, at worst, completely inoffensive.

>>102585692
>she would have forced Mint to break contract
Maybe she tried but Minto literally said in the vshojo video that she kept telling herself that things would be fine.

>>102585715
it's always really funny to me that a lot of hololiveENs 3d stuff is made by one filipino slave. He does good work though.

>>102585692
If you know Mint you know she isn't ever going to advocate for herself. Matara's firing is likely more nuanced, and happened for multiple reasons, but I have no doubt she stood up for others as well.

>>102585715
Kanauru and Mint know each other since heaven

>>102585423
Send a superchat with that written, she will understand

>>102585710
The faggot(s?) anti-ing Mata are from the catalog

>>102585715
Mint has worked with kanauru before

>>102585692
https://www.youtube.com/live/Bgde3wglIJ4?si=Ytvr3GVGtOrGoUS3&t=527

>>102580818
look at this retarded catalog monkey post

>>102585778
Why? I can tell her /here/ for free

Should Mint join Mythic? They have any kind of connections.

>>102585857
mint should just do what doki does

>>102580818
Laugh at all the times she said she wasn't joining vshojo

>>102585857
she should literally never trust another agency ever again

>>102585686
I know what connections you're talking about, idiot. This is all supposed to be handled by the company, like they handle Mori's music. I'm just asking if it's possible, because afaik some nonholos used their studio for their projects.

>>102585846
Superchats are free

>>102585867
>Follow Doki's business strategy
Only if you want her to keep crying on stream

>>102585423
Stupidest shit I ever read. She should never give up.

>>102585867
This

>>102585615
Just ask dooby to use her studio so she doesn't need to fly to Japan

>>102585867
ez clap

>>102585886
>like they handle Mori's music.
Nigga Mori's music deals are because of herself and her pre-holo history. Shit, one of her recent concerts had to be completely bankrolled by the record label she signed a deal with because holo didn't want to help her a single bit.

she was finally going to be with henya...man that sucks..

The new crop of indies will build something together, and Minto will be involved. You'll see.

>tourists thinking they know what they're talking about
You're all brownoid retards lmao especially phasecucks, see picrel

>>102585977
wouldn't it be smarter to get the UMG deal before joining holo so she can keep everything to herself?

>>102585998
I'd rather have more frequent collabs with the Sloppies tbqh

>>102586034
Apparently it's so easy to get the UMG deal
Retard

>>102585998
I would love nothing more.

>>102585867
She should probably hire a manager and/or someone to manage her merch. But doing what Doki does is not so simple and hinges on the fact that the birb is a workaholic

>>102586107
>fagoon saying Minto is lazy
As expected from one of the shittiest fanbases in all of vtubing

>>102586037
They also want to do more idol stuff. Everyone is on board.

Avatarschizo working overtime. Remember we have a safe house.

>>102586143
you just want to see more of snuffys huge tits bouncing around

>>102586143
I like how Snuffy has chilled out on the size of her tits over time and they're still enormous

>>102586185
Yes, and her tummy, and her thighs, and her ass, and all of her.

>>102586143
Idol Raccoon

>>102586107
Doki only does things that benefit herself. Minto wants to do things that will help her achieve her and other people's dreams.

>>102586306
based

I TOLD YOU GUYS THAT SHE WAS GONNA JOIN VSHOJO BUT EVERYONE KEPT BEING LIKE
> fuck off vshojo beggar!
I was sussed out the second her merch drop redirected to their PayPal account but nobody ever listens to me

>>102586306
Doki using twitter?! That's how you know this is serious.

>>102586306
sloppy dokiminto sex

>>102586348
Technically she was already a member for a year.

>>102586348
I was one of the guys who told you to fuck off. I'm sorry, I was wrong

>>102586306
Meh. Matara, Pia and even Zen had much better replies.

Not getting paid for merch was a huge redflag but Vshojo duped so many people it's not really surprising. On the surface it was very trustworthy and their aggressive NDAs made sure little info gets out. As sad as lost projects and lost money they never paid are at least she didn't join another shithole locked in a garbage contract. Little bright side in this mess.

What's with the tourists at this time of the day?

>>102586348
I knew she was in, but told you to fuck off because I hate Vshojo, and wanted to deny reality

>>102586400
Apology accepted!
Honestly this whole situation kinda blows because it's hard to even start thinking about what's next. It sounds like up until the very end she was still under the impression that there was something to aspire to but that dream is over now.....

>>102586442
dramafaggots have been emboldened due to vshojo imploding

>>102586442
NA woke up

>>102586442
jollibee shift ended

>>102586521
When do you think Americans wake up lmao

>>102586539
John Smith setting his alarm for 6 am to wake up and post about how matara is a whore

>>102586539
I just wanted to throw a jab at NA :P

fine ill create and send mints audition tape to hololive myself

>>102586417
Vshojo turned out to be a ponzi scheme in the end, and ironically, NDA helped it to exist for so long(This is why NDAs are fucking bullshit). I'd be very surprised if noone goes to jail after this.

>>102586591
I wouldn't be. Gunrun is rich as fuck. People like him rarely go to jail. There was probably some obscure clause in the contract that said that Vshojo could change contract details without prior notice and etc.
If mint ever looks into another company, I'd highly advise her to get a lawyer to read over the contract tbdesu

>>102584069
>>102584433
>doesn't bother to update his threadshitting script
>calls others lazy
The Dravidian mind is a strange, vapid thing

>>102586684
>The Dravidian mind
The what now?

What a week huh... and I thought hearing Beri cry would be the worst of it

>Haven't been around in nearly a year
>Posting during these hours is still a shitshow
Somethings never change, I guess

>>102586404
She doesn't have to grandstand in front of everyone. They 100% talk behind the scenes all of the time. Doki will have known everything going on and gave Mint plenty of sloppy makeout kisses to cheer her up.

>>102586404
I know it's probably bait, but Doki using twitter to something that's not a shipost or work related stuff is so rare that's noteworthy in itself. Other than that, they 100% have talked in private about this

>>102587206
>>102587206
>>102587206

>>102586934
Dravidians, aka streetshitters
Their minds are tiny and perpetually broken

>>102585998
Time to make the ultimate backstabbing indie corp

Since the thread is dying can I have a hug? This whole thing is painful.

>>102587379
Thank you. It's almost funny how much comfort this .gif has brought me.

>>102583139
That's a big hearted Henya

>>102584945
>Now that Vshojo is effectively dead, broke, and the CEO is MIA
VShojo's site is still showing the now gone talents post-Geega's departure.
I bet it's been abandoned. And not 24 hours after it all blew up with Mousey's announcement. Even the Wiki entry just shows Froot as their sole talent, and she's cut all ties bar her own announcement, which can't be long in coming now.
We're seeing VShojo's death rattles in real time.
I'm reminded of the rarest item in my media player collection, an NHJ MPM-202 (with the 80Gb EIDE HD I upgraded to a 160 Gb one). Not only are these collectable because they're rare, but because of the story behind such: one of NHJ's execs ran off with the company's operating capital, which immediately made NHJ bankrupt.