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I love Nimi (as an entertainer)

APOLOGIZE

>>102577124
yeah inherent problem of being dishonest and wanting to have your cake and eat it too

>>102577461 (OP)
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

>>102577426
i'm still up. it's only 1:40

Total unicordtard death
Based Nimi

>>102577154
That doesn't make any sense, she's almost certainly talking about some guy who apparently switched companies LAST YEAR. Assuming he left Cover, why would he know or care about the marital status of someone who wasn't married at the time and wasn't even part of the main branch?

>>102577295
See >>102575849
Started following him around when she was starting her graduation planning

>>102577513
im off today

>It's really unfortunate that nobody knew how bad it was, except the people who knew how bad it was, and they were willing to let everyone else walk into a burning building.
https://youtu.be/Bgde3wglIJ4?t=771

Do not worry Gunrun
I will stay with you ..... till the end
Fuck Mouse fuck hololive fuck everyone , give me that 500k$ and i will make Vshojo great again

>>102577527
It's the napcuck cope they keep repeating in towa for why she had to reveal it. Makes 0 sense

>>102577537
She says this but she was the type of person who stayed at Nijisanji for nearly 3 years, so I mean is she really in the position to call out others for inaction?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5H0yAU6174
this guy praised vshojo in the past

uhh do these girls not realize the entire vtuber community is on fire?

QRD on the Mint vshojo rant

advent golden gen

>>102577592
That is a grifter

>be sapling
>time to watch Nimi, my favorite chuuba
>"Hey chat~~ We're playing FOTM game, after y'all have requested it so much! So let's get started."
>*plays half-heartedly*
>chat is pretty slow after what happened all those months ago but that's just the non-fans getting culled
>*audible grunting and sighs of exhaustion as she catches her breath*
>*moves away from the mic* oooof she's really getting worked up today.
>Oh honey! The baby's kicking, come feel! Haha it really feels like there's more than one
>*inaudible male voice in the background*
>Of course, after this one comes.
>*comes back* "Remember to akasupa so I can buy some toys for the baby!"
>"Hey not now honey!"
>*moves away from the mic again*
>But maybe later.
>*mic picks up an audible kiss*
>"Haha sorry about that chat."
>continues playing as usual
>"Oh yeah, thank you guys for the donations and for buying my plushie."
>"I thought I would have had some left over from the wedding honeymoon a couple months back but some things costed more than expected."
>chat doesn't respond and just talks about the game
>"Bit of a waste in hindsight now since I'm expecting anyways, but it is what it is."
>chat is silent for a bit but resumes back to normal after some time
>the minutes go by
>"Anyways chat. I think I have to tell you this now."
>"But I was thinking it's about time I take maternity leave."
>congratulations pour into the chat and for her to take a well-deserved break after everything
>"It's only gonna be a few months, but I know that my saplings will continue to flourish and sprout."
>chat continues their positivity showering
>"But you know chat, before I leave for good. I've seen some of the stuff that's been posted around and I want to finally get this off my chest."
>"I want take back what I said back then."
>"You and me chat."
>"We're friends."
>she pauses
>she laughs a bit
>"We are just friends~"
>the stream continues for some time before Nimi says her final goodbye and the stream ends
>my room is dark
>go to sleep
>I guess a nightmare is still a type of dream right

>mint says she was meant to debut in vshojo with 2 other girls

>saba unfollowed gunrun
holy shit vshojo fumbled mint and saba

Pulled from xvsj
Okay, let's recap what we have learned in two days.
>Momo was rejected from the tryouts.
>Money issues started back in September 2024 but financing has always been duvious with previous talents. Talents haven't been paid so far. Vei also confirmed that her, Nyan, and Silver didn't get paid sponsor money for 2021-2023
>There were NDAs for fucking everything to keep them safe (the company, not the talents). NDAs prevented them from talking to other members about all the shit they had to deal with years ago
>Lost 3 talents for getting greedy with their contracts
>Failed to get Shoto, USan, and Shylily (they have publically started as such)
>Allegely promised to Quinn and Sayu a spot and pulled the rug (still not fully clarified)
>Merch has been a notorious disaster.
>Mint and an idol gen were stuck in development hell.
>Auditions were true and they actually got girls but also stuck in development hell (monster girl gen, 4 girls: BeriBug, PiaPi, Tori Oriane, Phoebe Chan)
>Owned money to artists
>Signed into sponsors that talents didn't want (Zentreya v. GFuel)
>Mouse and Nyan (back in 2023) got pressured into staying by telling them the entire org depended on them to go on
>Stole 500k from Mouse that was for chairty

>>102577602
Hololive is an entire vtuber community. Anything else is irrelevant.

>>102577591
Mintleech is a hypocrite no surprise there

Fauna left because this MV made her boyfriend insecure
No I will not be convinced otherwise

I have a question for the business experts of /#/:

Has the death of Vshojo essentially confirmed that the west cannot, and likely will not ever, be able to actually compete toe-to-toe in the vtuber space with Japanese corporations like Hololive? That the idea of a western vtuber corporation being able to scale to an even somewhat comparable operational size is incompatible with the state of the industry here?

>>102577602
Not hololive. Not their or my problem.

>>102577527
wasn't it an ex-niji exec that joined vshojo jp?

>>102577527
She isn't married yet and currently on the engagement stage. Him leaving last year would leave him privy to all the girls information including their dating status and Fauna would have submitted her graduation notice before his departure leaving that on the table too as more information to leak

>>102577591
Is she wrong though? Half of the indie vtuber community is currently coming out and saying how they were fucked over while spending the last few years singing their praises

https://x.com/dooby3D/status/1947895898236731469
https://x.com/dooby3D/status/1947895898236731469

>>102577602
The fire doesn't touch the sacred garden

>>102577225
>want a company that wont take much of my money
>will give me multiple sponsors
>meet and greets
>expo appearances (ax for vshojo was only thanks to gfuel)
>make me do my own merch
>help with all music and stream proyects
>but also let me stream reaction videso 5 hrs straight and doesnt force me to do much work
In insight...is vtubing in the west just cooked or where do this "reward without pain" mentality come from.
Like now that vshojo was a scam what is next do they really think being indie alone is enough?

>>102577602
NOT HOLOLIVE
NOT OUR PROBLEMS

>>102577602
Are families in Iceland supposed to care if Burma burns?

https://x.com/dooby3D/status/1947895898236731469
https://x.com/dooby3D/status/1947895898236731469
https://x.com/dooby3D/status/1947895898236731469
>meanwhile doob

>>102577602
Holo girls play by the rules, and the only rule is that you have to shut the fuck up while the competition is killing itself

>>102577513
lunch time in jakarta

>>102577617
She pitched and Idol gen/group to GunRun with two other talents. Nothing came of it also they owe her money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6jkIpmCfA

>VShojo actually followed Doki's advice and found hidden gems
>IM kills the entire org because of the IDF donation fraud
kek

man that's a long list of married/in a relationship vtubers

anyone keeping track of who replied to nimis tweet?

So indiemouse wins just like that?

>>102577602
Even the holo artists poke fun at the fact that they're having a great time within the walled garden while everything's burning outside

https://x.com/tabakko/status/1947526647999303830

>>102577602
Oh no, another african nation decided to kill their own people

>>102577632
This is what the average unicorntard thinks about

>>102577661
More like, VTuber companies can't work without other ventures (both Cover and Anycolor have stuff going on besides only their Talent Agencies) or going public. They are huge money sunks for what it seems, even to a major scale to a smaller scale.

>>102577602
>the entire vtuber community
But Hololive is not on fire

>>102577602
WALLED GARDEN

>>102577571
>>102577669
Alex Pelz conviently no longer at vshojo after the news dropped really makes one think

>>102577680
Dooby (as Amelia) offcollab with Kosexy Biboo???????

CCV predictions??????

>>102577680
>>102577728
Biboo could give you one if you play with her cunny

>>102577647
Lol
Indies are vtubing

>>102577680
>threats of physical violence against a sentient being
uhmmm yab???

>>102577661
Honestly the nature of what is required to be profitable as a vtuber org will be seen as inherently exploitative by many in the west. It will be hard to run one without running into some PR troubles.

>>102577809
he's off the holo hype train, he hates all corpos now

That 500k is sitting in Saba's bank account btw

>>102577661
>>102577701
People think that making it big is just luck.
But only lucky and hardworking individuals get that. If the west wants to compete they will need to understan why the holo girls work so hard.
People in the west are too compleasant with the lowest kind of success.

https://files.catbox.moe/y9j8us.mp4
will she go back on her word?

>>102577806
They have themselves to blame if they fell for Gunrun's lies instead of sticking to Hololive

>>102577809
didn't this dude quit?

Good morning. I love hololive. Homostars is not hololive.

#- kiara's newest song has exactly half the views that evil's song BOOM had at the 2 week mark

>>102577867
Was she one of the girls who got accepted in vshojo?

>>102577764
lol Cover is a failed tech company that is being funded by Hololive

>>102577661
>VShojo yab
>the rest of the western community
The royal "we" at work again
don't run a business if you can't pay people

>>102577891
Bro brought up homos when no one was talking about them for hours

https://x.com/dooby3d/status/1947895898236731469
HOLY SHIT DOOB DROPPED A BOMBSHELL!!

>Mint killed the aspiration of two girls trying to make their dreams and hopes in the world by torpedoing their dreams of joining Hololive to join a company that would collapse before they even debut
Kek, it's kino!

kronii....

>>102577892
Wow they both lost to 1-800

>>102577833
Sounds like a skill issue honestly

>>102577892
Now do Mori’s Sepia

>>102577632
This is too sad.

>>102577896
These were
https://x.com/beribug_/status/1947690749849702785
https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/1947672993637011843
https://x.com/torioriane/status/1947680537688346899

>>102577941
Even worse she pulled them out of hololive to the end result of nothing

20k BOX DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>102577952
never heard of it

>>102577932
can i get footnotes for those other corpos in 2020?

>>102577948
What’s 1-800?

>>102577896
apparently not, there's only a few agencies left out there that you can say it was a "once in a lifetime opportunity"

>>102577632
>Reading this made me hard
Is it over for me?

>>102577809
He was licking their asses not even a year ago.

>>102577617
>signed onto Vshojo to lead an "Idol" branch for the company last year
>delays kept happening and pushed the formal announcement/reveal further and further back
>company just imploded in a single day, so all she has been working for over a year is now gone and burning in front of her eyes
>ALSO hasn't been paid for her merch collaborations with them
Shit's sad, and she basically cried about how she feels cursed and misses being in a Vtuber "community" and thought she was just about to get it again, and now she thinks it'll never come true.
Also, some mini-rrat that Saba was going to be one of the idol members, but that seems highly unlikely.
With the way she was talking and tearing up, I worry Mint's kicking herself for turning down her Holo offer during her last visit

>>102577980
HOLD THAT PEAK ELA
THE PEAK OF FLOOR TALLY DORYAAAAAAAA

>>102577896
She wouldn't have graduated if that was the case. Holo EN5 is more likely.

>>102577921
That's the point of the question, anon:
Can *any* western vtuber company afford to scale to an operational level approaching Japanese vtuber corporations? Or is the state of the industry here literally a hard limitation to a profitable organization?

If anybody should have had a reasonable ability to stay fiscally viable as they scaled, it should've been Vshojo.

Hololive is the lion, Phase is the small dog.

>>102577995
You'll fit right in with the rest of the napcucks who haven't left

>>102577993
Not sure where she went then.
Other one is holo and said she wouldnt go there

>>102578022
I don't think she is going to stop growing.

>>102578005
>her Holo offer
What Holo offer?

>>102578027
Indies mog both

>>102578040
Kaela has to be one of the most botted streamers recently. It’s funny how little no one cares.

>>102578027
Small dog is giving them too much credit. More like cockroach

>>102578040
BUT TWITCH DOT TEEVEE

>>102578040
>Hololive no bot graph challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

>talent reveals they've been cucking their fans for years
what's the point of hololive and le epic walled garden?

>>102578086
cockroaches are hard to kill

>>102578024
They literally just need to stop trying to one up Hololive in their talent cuts and actually take money from them especially a large merch cut since all the girls do is fucking approve of the design and item and give some feedback.

>>102578040
>finally back to bot timeloop shitposting
that other drama didn't even last 2 days

>>102578101
uh hololive prevents talents from cucking their fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC3jNACvwhU
we're watching this btw

>>102578024
>If anybody should have had a reasonable ability to stay fiscally viable as they scaled, it should've been Vshojo
Absolutely not, they sealed their fate as soon as they started to brag about how little they would take in cuts, you can run a charity how much you want but don't expect to keep it running if you aren't getting funds from somewhere else

>>102578101
Napcuck you were claiming her numbers an indie and you'll accept his cucking as an indie too

>>102578113
phase connect does this

>>102578024
phase isn't big by any means but are they the only viable one right now
in the west?
by viable I mean profitable

>>102577980
jesus just make out already

x numbers
kinda low for the supposed "drama"

>>102577993
>>102578035
phase?

>>102577331
They're the only big group that has gotten male vtubers to a functional point and proceed to monopolize they shit out of it.

The girls are literally just holos, it's the same kind of humor, the same kind of personalities, most of the holos and female Nijis come from the same online friend groups, collabs is where shit falls apart. But as far as solo streams go there's no difference between what you can expect from a solo holo stream and a female niji solo stream.
Now a days the Holos are a little more polished, mainly because being in Holo means that you're popular and the amount of support behind you as well as the expectations as massive, while, some nijis, mostly the older ones, are genuine literal who tier, so they just rawdog it; which can be part of the appeal if you like streaming to be a little more simple and "genuine", but aside from that it's the same stuff. It's simply that one lucked out with girls and became THE girls company while the other lucked out with boys (mostly due to the fact that they were savvy and hired men who were already successful and simply whipped them a little so they better fit a corporate environment) and became know as THE boy company that also has some bangers on the girl side here and there
Really thinking that there's some fundamental difference between a Holo and female Nijis is flawed when excluding some true outsiders like Noel or Salome, everyone was palling around the same water coolers. Nui didn't want to dance so she leaned towards Niji, Suisei would have taken anyone who gave the chance, Luna WAS a Niji. Only until DEV_IS did Cover start taking different hiring approaches compared to Niji AND EVEN THEN THEY STILL ENDED UP WITH SU AND CHIHAYA


If you want to know why the girlies like the Niji men, they're men, they're popular, it's easier to follow them because of such, the observation has already been made on JP twitter a million times, but girls value the sense of community withing otaku circles far more than men do, women congregate around bigger groups because of the sense of belonging and safety it brings, while men are more likely to not care and just roll with smaller more niche interests. the Niji men are also pretty competent at what they do, they're pretty, or at least their models are, they're decent enough at chatting and they seem to actually know what people watch them for unlike the homos who change their branding twice a year trying to chace trends. Niji does actually stick to the "this guy is X otome game architype, and this guy is X" and such, they have the soft boy, the snarky one that's actually pretty caring, the pupppy boy, the cold one, the rough one. And even if they're all obviously relative nerdy the fact that they actually got a sizable female fanbase encouraged them to keep up the roleplay, unlike the homos who pretty much never followed the archetypes they were supposed to be because no one ever cared about them, so now they're all "internet douchebag #5118114"
They were the first ones to capitalize on chubas properly, therefore they got popular, women prefer getting into what's popular because to an extend more than liking the guy, they like being around other girls who also like the guy, and the loop will keep going until someone else debuts a mega popular male group

Fauna lore nuke really killed the avenger shitposter kek
I knew they were liggers (LATAM)

merch update?

>dev_is en 1st gen with mint
you rike?

>>102578152
It happened.

>>102577799
No small feat for the cunny master

>>102578187
update: its grift

https://x.com/theGunrun/status/1947707317530857663
https://x.com/theGunrun/status/1947707317530857663
https://x.com/theGunrun/status/1947707317530857663

>>102578170
its niji or phase, I don't really watch the girl but maybe she was a sister

>>102578024
I dont think they will.
Is an uphill battle culturaly. Outside obvious differences in how ip is seen by japs vs west. There is also the acceptance of anime culture in japan which makes collabs and sponsors far easier.
In the west holo has been trying really hard to penetrarte the market. But issue is most indies dont want or cant try that they just slap some shitty energy drink and call it a day. How people percive the hobby also matters and indies just want to be lite streamers and the common users haces most of those. It needs the whole sphere to move in one direction and the current indie sphere is stagnant. Most big indies either come from leeching bigger content creators or are ex corpos.

>>102577632
>Hey chat
>chat
Stopped reading right there. Retarded tourist.

>>102578187
>it's ok when we sell it

>>102578016
end of september seems mighty fine for a new gen to drop especially if they show a teaser at the end of AFO

>>102578216
gunrun is hotter than I thought.

>>102578113
>>102578134
But would they have been able to get the talent they did if it weren't for their absurdly low cuts? That's the point.

As a western streamer at that level, in any category, it's more attractive or viable to operate independently than to be part of a talent agency or corporation. Vshojo was only able to make themselves more attractive via their absurdly low cut. The benefits that a Japanese vtuber company offers (i.e. live idol performances and the infrastructure to make that happen) aren't really primary draws for a majority of the west's biggest (non-Hololive) streamers.

Wish I could rewind time so I could never fall for green woman and waste so much time and money on her. I thought she was actually serious about the idol journey after the concert and she turns around and shoots me in the head a couple of weeks later

>>102578216
Please be towa please be towa

>>102578024
>>102577661
That isn't hard you just need to not be retarded and think that you can run a business without a stable flow of income, ie don't give your talents 100% revenue share and 50% merch share and then expect it to work out. Vshojo got this far entirely on the back of venture capital and when that dried up, they died with them. You can run a business and pay people with good vibes and exposure alone.

>>102578183
The sisters really like to write huge paving stones, go masturbate instead of writing a thesis

>>102578245
yeah me

>>102578216
>bush
Why?

>>102578272
anon...

>>102578245
Cute

>>102578184
>avengers
its thunderbolts now

>>102578183
>they are like Holo
This was true years ago it stopped being the case around the time they fucked over Lulu.

>>102577980
Kaela doing the Biboo

QRD on the Minto VShojo stream?

Cons: none

>>102578054
Kiara mentioned how she was kinda bragging during the tour of the Holo building, and was secretly trying to see if Mint would be interested, but seemingly turned it down (yet still got to write on the Holo-Wall)

did dooby and saba congratulate nimi?

>>102577867
>Vallure gen 2
nothing
>Re-Loop
Nothing
>Releum
nothing
>Echo Pulse
nothing
>Variance
nothing
>VShojo
dead

No more copes, this is your EN5

>>102578271
God gave me two hands for a reason

>>102578299
Add mouse

>>102578144
>by viable I mean profitable
are they? seems like more and more they're burning money on idolshit that their audience does not care for in the slightest

>>102577602
Is biboo collecting shioris pubes ?

>>102578249
Yeah and everyone who joined ended up searching for other arrangements since they got absolutely nothing in exchange and they even managed to fuck that up as seen by the previous 24 hours

>>102577806
Nigga Mint wasn’t getting in holo

>>102578324
No, they're being rude for some reason

>>102578336
Wouldn't you?

I find it funny when hololive clippers have a Saba avatar.

>>102578324
offstream probably

>>102578336
Yup, directly from the source

>>102578123
drama will always lose its luster but bots are eternal
remember the board exploding over shiori male collabs? it's literally nothing now, no one cares

>>102577809
Fuck off pagpagsagi

So... can he "throw back the statement" now?

>>102578321
Interested in what? If she wants to join, she needs to take the auditions like everyone else.

>>102578261
see >>102578249

I'm not suggesting a viable business is impossible for western vtubers. I am suggesting that the ability to scale that business to compete on a more head-to-head level with something like Hololive EN is impossible.

In part because the incentive structure won't allow it, and in part because the industry can't support it.

>>102578183
>AND EVEN THEN THEY STILL ENDED UP WITH SU AND CHIHAYA
I don't understand what this means, are you calling them Nijis?

>>102578386
they should do a shaving stream, like Coco did

>>102578299
I know nothing about thunderbolts, what is it? a "bad" advenger?

>>102578321
>if Mint would be interested, but seemingly turned it down
that was probably when revealed her plans with vshojo to kiara and why she was so down in the dumps until recently, I wonder how vshojo imploding will affect kiara's mental doesn't seem like she or her rm have made any comments about the situation

>>102578381
That is dloow
He is a holo clipper originally, with focus on gura.

I want to understand why Nimi felt like she needed to get that out. Has she talked about wanting a family in previous streams?

>>102578438
It's C-tier

>>102578438
>I know nothing about thunderbolts
exactly

>>102577896
she's prime phase material

>>102578331
Ok you won this round sister

>>102578441
>thank god im in holo

Is dooby just shitposting because she knows she is safe under her affiliate status while everyone just drowns?

>thread finally dead
Got it out of your system already? Or banned?

Damn this mofo is salty
Also I never know what's up with twilight

>>102578126
no it doesnt? fauna cucked everyone for years as we now know.

>>102577679
The indie community is a big circle jerk who hop on trends like they are going out of style. Despite all of this "mistreatment" supposedly being common knowledge in vtuber circles they were all super cool with Vshojo as recent as like 2 days ago, lmao. The entire indie scene gives me garbage vibes.

>>102578326
6 person gen? Crazy or possible?

numbergods, does IM follows Saba? I know you faggots know a lot of useful sites when it comes to this

>>102578321
Kiara does not in fact have hiring power

>>102578515
gunrun should just let everything blow over
people will get bored soon

>>102578515
>inb4 he reveals she is actually 2 people

>>102578245
>will get less lewd fanart
>will get less shipping fanart
>will get more "le wholesome couple" fanart instead
Is it worth it?

>>102578509
yes you all called her a schizo but every move was calculated for a very long and detailed plan

>>102578423
I'm saying that there's no difference between Holos and Nijis because all these people are from the same groups, raised on the same humor and trends, as shown by the multiple friendships that existed between them before either company even for trademarked, and the fact that those friendships persist to this day
It was until DEV_IS that Cover started going for people who weren't in those circles as the norm of their hiring practices instead of them being the outliers among new holos, and THEY STILL ENDED UP WITH TWO EX VTUBER GIRLS THAT ARE GIRLFRIENDS WITH RECENTLY DEBUTED NIJIS

>>102578515
all this feels like it should settled in a court room with like lawyers and shit right? not over twitter replies and stream call-ins

>>102578536
I don’t see a marriage tweet next to fauna’s name

One lucky guy somehow met Nimi and unloaded his seed inside her
I wonder if he was a fan before he met her, probably not because of opsec and screening out the plebs. I wonder how they met though? Through friends? Tinder? How do people find partners these days shit is impossible

>>102577635
>mint says she was meant to debut in vshojo with 2 other girls
proof?

>>102578545
Fine, I'll follow her for you to find out.

>>102578113
That's how you get shit like HoloEarth. The girls are going to quit over that boondoggle eventually, you know.

why does all the nimi fanart show a white husband

>>102578530
He's a herefag troll who loves shitstirring but is otherwise a Holofag. So basically your average /#/ poster

>>102578509
Dooby always shitposts.

>>102578536
no proof

>>102578530
1 or 2 view?

>>102578560
Can't dodge lawsuits with that

>>102578558
She got FWMC in.

>>102578545
Ironmouse follows everything from the looks of it, so yes Saba is included.

>>102578509
the worst part about "big yabs" is that retards start pretending normal shit is unusual.

>>102578438
It's a spinoff of the Black Widow movie to give you an idea how z tier they are

>>102578326
>coyo
she's full on fleshtubing now.
The rest is promising with an exception on nyana since she's a huge pippa simp

>>102578308
What does Niji mishandling Lulu's harassment case have to do with the fact that Nozomi and Pekora choke on the hamburger the same way or that Haachama and Hoshikawa knew each other before either was even employed
Hayase and Marine wack it to the same BL, you really think they're fundamentally different people

>>102578524
They just pulled a 24 hrs shift farming (you)s for gift cards, let them rest

>>102578404
Well, she HAS auditioned for Holo before but was rejected, hence her originally joining Niji.
But let's be real anon, there are always nepo hires in this industry, and an idol-loving content creator that regularly streams is perfect for EN, and already proven to have great chemistry.
If EN management was smart, they'd be testing the waters with all these new talents to see if they'd be interested (though I imagine many of them are much more weary of Corpos, it couldn't hurt)

>>102577661
>compete toe-to-toe in the vtuber space with Japanese corporations like Hololive?
Yes and no. If you just want to be an idol, no one in the west can compete with Hololive. If you just want to be a streamer, then Hololive will never be the way especially in the West

>>102578594
those bitches wouldn't want it to go to court
all their shit would get exposed specially that zen dude

>>102578641
Wouldnt that put the chubas on discovery?
Would they want that?

>>102578625
>>102578595
anon
nimi is fauna
nimi was dating this man for a long time before this marriage announcement, including while she was fauna
you got cucked anon

>>102578644
I need screenshots. I dont see Saba when I just look at IM's followings

>>102578536
Retarded tourist

>>102578681
Nimi cucks, how do you stand it?

>>102578438
in the comics its often former villains and oddball characters who start their own avengers group because they realize doing good is more fulfilling than being bad.

>>102578731
I feel dirty now.

>>102578669
>there are always nepo hires in this industry,
hell if this list is accurate half of them could be considered nepo hires >>102578326

where is ennacuck is he safe? is he alive?

What compels someone to make cute girls doing cute things on the internet and not airing out their private lives into nothing but just that? Do (you)s generate wealth for his village?

>>102578725
>nimi is fauna
stopped reading there

>>102578652
>she's full on fleshtubing now.
thats a not a disqualification
>nyana since she's a huge pippa simp
thats a not a disqualification

>corpos know they can fuck over vtubers because they're terrified of court where they'll get doxxed due to the american court system
kek

>>102578743
oh so that's how you do it. I did it in reverse, checked IM's followings and didn't see Saba. Thank you, numberGodbro

>>102577602
Us Holochads don't care. The walled garden protects us and it protects the girls. The wild lands of non-Hololive bullshit don't concern the Holochad.

>>102578669
Luna was a special case and likely never again but Luna is also completely character and had different appeals and talents from the other holo girls at the time. Mint has nothing to offer as a Holo as being something uniquely her strength

>>102578661
The corpo stifles them to prop up their boys worse than Cover does with homos. Since the Lulu's incident they are painfully boring and fake.

nimi is fauna though
>nooooo but in my autistic headcanon rules
nobody cares
it's the same woman just with two slightly different anime avatars

>kronii only had two hours of sleep
She must be crashing out at Nimi's announcement too

>>102578725
You wish you subhuman monkey trying to post while fingering your asshole I could smell Fauna being off for a year

>>102578781
only the ones who live in america

>>102578725
Again fauna didn’t say she was getting married, unless you have a tweet I missed? I however do have a tweet from the nimi main twitter account itself

>>102578822
Is she still on jetlag

>>102578669
Nepo hires still need to go through the auditions.

>>102578822
probably a long night with a new gymchad

The fact that Doki is doing fine as a one woman corpo is now more impressive in hindsight
How the fuck did VShojo lose 500k anyway?

>>102578800
Right..... it protected the girls from getting their money stolen to fund HoloEarth........

>>102578669
I really don't get the appeal of Mint in Holo. She is fine and inoffensive but I've never really gotten the "yeah I really need her to be in Hololive" vibe because she can just do her thing as an indie orbiter. I'd rather give the spot to someone who is more unknown. Mint doesn't really need the boost at this point.

>>102578822
Saba didnt sleep well either. My rrat was them talking about how fucking retarded Nimi is.

>>102578839
no relevant vtuber lives outside of america
>b-but muh obscure otakushit in moonspeak
nobody cares

>>102578875
Kek I see it

>>102578777
so you believe they will debut a 6 member gen?

>>102578866
>doing fine
Did you miss the shitshow of previous months?
She also had to sacririce events.

>>102578867
>Making shit up
Nice cope. Don't you have the collapse of Vshitshow and the indie snakes to concern yourself with? I'm going to continue watching the Holo girls be cute.

>>102578866
Paying mercenary fees to get people to drop niji and holo to join talent freedom

>>102577680
Biboo hurry up give Doob a tamagotchi NOW!

>>102578822
>>102578875
They're jetlagged because of Nimi's engagement party

>>102578845
they're the same person anon
it's the same woman behind both anime avatars
you were cucked
i'm sorry anon

>>102577661
There's one core issue that every business faces: differentiation. It doesn't matter if your product is a hamburger, a video game, or a stream. If you want success you must give customers a reason to choose YOU over everyone else.
Hololive's value proposition is a confluence of unique factors including chiefly idol culture, tightly knit internal-only units and collabs, no politics, non-coed streams, humor that extends beyond haha sex, and more. These are streams that don't exist anywhere else in the western streaming world. If you want all of that in quality and quantity, Hololive is the only choice.

For the western corpos, what is their differentiating factor? They are all either 1. trying to be Hololive (Idol Corp) or 2. no different from your average fleshstreamer (Vshojo).
Trying to beat Hololive at their strongest is virtually impossible because applying western values to a Japanese business model is as diametrically opposed as they can get. None of them do anything that makes Hololive popular, not unironically at least.
If the plan is to be Hololive but +X factor, they have already lost.
The corpos who don't bother trying to be Hololive also don't do anything unique compared to fleshies. Many fleshies get their audience from a skillset, like being top 10 in a particular game, which is their differentiating factor. Why should I watch a literal who just because they have a vtubing model?
This is additionally why the homos are a complete failure. They don't understand what makes Hololive different and instead default to doing what the average western streamer does. The EN homos as a separate corpo would be nowhere close to where they are today by borrowing the Cover brand.

Playing catchup to Hololive is impossible. If there ever is a vtubing corpo, western or eastern, that takes them on, it will not be using the same values but "better".
After all, how did Hololive take the #1 spot from Nijisanji in 2020? Not by being Nijisanji lite.

>>102578781
I don't understand why EN whores scared to getting doxxed(mostly just face and some names in relationship). Not like in JP where they have a lot of creepy stalkers.

they're just anime avatars for women streaming
your oshi is a human female not a cartoon

>>102578642
You are a retard

>>102578901
Indies cotinue to mog holoen

https://youtu.be/recuw5Ia-H8?si=411FMmawjaydp3WI
2 VIDEOS
holy shit dramafags gonna mil this lmfao

>>102578725
But you have no proof, meanwhile for Nimi it’s official.

>indie avenger fans are all over twitter fantasizing about their "oshi" getting married and impregnated
Really weird behavior

>>102578881
holy cope they're are all sub 20k shitters

Cover gives noel a cow bikini lol

Gunrun really cucked us from seeing the vshojo idol avengers huh
>mint
>saba
>nimi
>dooby
>doki
Easily myth numbers in an alternate timeline

>>102578965
women dont get married to a guy they only just met
they have been dating for a long time anon
and regardless your money to her is going to their wedding
you are cucked no matter what

>>102578928
Fauna is not getting married
Nimi is getting married

>>102578949
You’re mad so I’m right.

>>102578987
jeez, is that something you wanted?

>>102578972
imagine saba announcement "i am getting married guys yay"

>>102578972
With how obsessed marvel is with making pregnant super heroes fight lately it kinda suits them

Even if magically your oshi doesn't have a bf or fuckbuddy right now (like almost all women do) she will settle down later and use your money for dates, birth control, condoms, her wedding, honeymoon, kids, etc.

There's no way to get around being a cuckold if you give money to a vtuber.

>>102578943
Hasn't Kiara moved several times because of her stalker?

>>102578987
Based Gunrun acting as Cover's secret agent to prevent any sort of legitimate competition to EN

>>102578994
You don't know how long she met him for

nousagi said the vshojo situation is worse than niji

Oh hey, they are back, it got slow for a bit.

>>102579012
Yes because it’ll bring big numbers. Big numbers = good

>>102579007
the woman behind fauna and nimi is getting married
fauna is not getting married
nimi is not getting married
the woman who plays those anime characters is
the wedding certificate will have her name on it

Hearing Mint talk about how she doesn't think she can market herself well really made it click for me how venomous tuber agencies have been on the psyche of creators. They've created this ecosystem where all these talented people believe wholeheartedly that they cannot make it without an agency. I feel so bad for her and I WISH there was some way to reach these creators and make them understand that they are the ones brining people in, not the agency. Corporate interests do not work well with creatives and I hope to God she stays indie and has all the success she deserves, same to the countless other talents who have been ruined by the sick greed of these companies.

walled garden is a /here/ thing right? i don't think i ever seen one getting used outside this board?

>>102579038
Well niji paid just not well

>>102579021
She has a couple stalkers. One maybe found her old apartment but she was always planning on buying a house.

>>102578983
Noel probably asked for it, she has fully embraced her status as a titty monster a long time ago

Nimi mask off moment?

wtf is /here/

>>102578987
dooby is affiliate with Hololive no chance she was gonna join another company, nimi mint saba lines up with mints story though

>>102578899
She probably has a gorrilion projects down the pipeline anon

>>102579019
>pay $20 to some woman on Etsy to make me a nice rug
>I get the rug, I am happy
>she uses that money for dates, birth control, condoms, her wedding, honeymoon, kids, etc.
Not my problem.

>>102578987
good i don't want to see doki or mint

Lamy... don't go

>>102579038
They're dead jim

>>102579063
>that person on twitter MUST be posting here i just know it
take your meds you subhuman schizo

>>102579063
??? Just x search walled garden and you will see a bunch of leaking retards

>>102579055
Ha I gotcha now, nimi did say she is getting married so you are wrong

>>102578987
>dookie

>>102579056
Mint’s entire following comes from her time in a corporation

>>102577636
>an idol gen

>>102578994
>women dont get married to a guy they only just met
Stupid enough to say she is married

>>102578950
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHAH

>>102579021
Kiara was a cosplayer before Vtuber, while most ENvtubers are irrelevant ugly low tier twitch streamers.

walking barefoot after roomba'ing my hardwood floor hits different

>>102579019
My oshi will die alone, besides her cat

>>102579056
>They've created this ecosystem where all these talented people believe wholeheartedly that they cannot make it without an agency
I mean the only reason mint got numbers is because she is an ex niji leeching or collabing with other x corpos.
No matter how good or talented you are, unless you are able to get poeples eyes you will always be a no one.

>>102578987
Mint said her and TWO others. So only 3 members. Mint and Saba were 100% in, idk who the other one is

They should really just reshuffle the gens.

UNHINGED AND FUNNY CHUNGUS WHOLESOME

>>102579038
Vshojo is dead so yes

>>102579105
she meant herself, whoever she is irl, is getting married anon

>>102578987
I don't understand why people continually tell themselves that the people who gave up on giving a shit about their jobs beyond the bare minimum would suddenly and magically be active hardworking idols the second they're under the Vshojo brand.

>>102578976
KEK

>>102577661
More like you shouldn't trust retards that got lucky with one startup to run a business
Gunrun forgot the part where he had to sell VShojo to Brave and get a golden parachute to start another VC farming startup

>>102579113
and leeching from other corpo vtubers

>>102579056
well they were right about mint at least, shes untalented and has to constantly leech to stay relevant

>>102578866
Poaching budget

>>102578805
Most of their post salome successes (at least by Niji standards) have been girls, and they're the ones getting pushed the most as the "new" faces of Niji, they've even chilled when it comes to letting the girls interact almost entirely only with other girls outside of big collabs, as shown by Rika, compared to what they pulled with Furen at the start

I am glad I only watch Hololive all things considered

>>102579144
your oshi lusts for chads cock just like any other woman anon

>>102579101
twitter? i saw it on leddit
>>102579104
Yeah, but it originated from here and was only used by people from here, right? in the context of vtuber of course

>>102579081
>>102579147
>nimi mint saba lines up with mints story though
What were her exact words? No, i dont want to watch her stream

>>102579164
>naplingchad thanks for the 20 gifted
>Hubby what are you doing im streaming
>kissing and moaning noises

>>102579164
This is like a new level hell for naplings, I can't even fathom it. They're probably walking around at night listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUDvdBGbCwY

>>102579082
>probably
I dont live in fantasy land.

>>102579085
You pay her $20 because you think it's worth it and want to support quality rugs.
But she's actually contracted to an agency who takes a cut of that $20 and spends it developing a meta verse game.
Do you see how it's your problem now?

>>102579147
Nimi. Suddenly got chummy with Mint and was raiding her as Fauna. Has a cover with her as Nimi already. Also explains why no affiliate

>>102579056
The thing is these women dont even fucking try to market themselves. No tweeting out a frame isn't marketing. Her and whichever 2 people she had lined up for the idol unit still can do it since they likely have the capital and can get some artists to do things pro bono for exposure. Did she learn nothing about undergroup idol groups that she loves so much performing for like 2 people and growing

>>102578594
That's not how Twitch beef works anon, you need to have as much of the drama on stream as possible.

>>102579148
They should just do what they did with the homos EN and JP, and have Myth and Promise be considered a single unit, you don't even have to name them, just call them HoloEN, while the rest are Justice and Advent

>>102579038
>He needs a doxfag to tell him that a dead corpo is worse than a sham corpo
kek

>>102579211
I got my rug, I am happy. Not my problem.

>>102579167
Oh I see we are speaking on her behalf now? And you are calling me the cuck

>>102577672
i think the rrat is that fauna's been married for a while and did the announcement now because she was afraid of it getting leaked

>>102579113
Well, I followed her before she got to NijiEN. Then immediately fucked off the moment she got in.

>>102579164
Can it get worse than this?
These are posts if posted before the reveal you would call schizo cuck posting but now it's just part of her lore

Reply to this post if you're confident your oshi will never betray you

>>102579168
>would suddenly and magically be active hardworking idols the second they're under the Vshojo brand.
Your mistake is assuming vshojo would make them work hard. It’s just your usual ironmouse concert thing. No physical labor whatsoever needed

>>102579164
There is literally nothing funny about that. Like, how the hell do you twist a dude coming on stream into a funny moment?

>>102579128
Some one should edit this with nimi on right and flipino flag on left and a big ass you on yuji's face

>>102579244
ANIME CHARACTERS CANNOT ENTER INTO MARRIAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL

>>102579056
/b/omu is retarded and makes bad choices so shes probably right that she cant do it herself

>>102579185
yep, mine

>>102578972
holodrones turning into pro-abortion leftist gay harem before my very eyes

>>102579056
She is right though only corpo or ex corpo have success.

JWU, slept 11 hours

>>102579230
don't really have to, IDs are all 3 person gens

soon

>>102579254
She is in it to win it and loves Hololive and management

>>102579214
>Saba and Nimi got scammed out of Dino Gura and MILF hat royalties because of Gunrun
yikes
At least Dooby still gets royalties when she shows up in a cameo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102579038
Oh so insightful, did you need doxsagi to tell you that or did you get tipped of by the complete lack of members remaining in vshojo?

>>102579168
Why wouldn't they be more motivated by the freedom to perform compared to when they were restricted by japanese corpo rules? Job satisfaction is a thing you know

>>102579214
>Nimi
>Idol
RUMAO

>>102579056
For some bizarre reason, the western vtuber agency conflates "talent agency" and "managerial staff" as some kind of 1:1 function and I really don't get it.

My mom has spent nearly her entire career working as an agent in real talent agencies, and the function of her companies and the services they provide to their talents compared to the function of "talent agencies" in this specific industry feels like I'm looking at two fundamentally different things.

>>102579251
comedy is dead

>>102579259
What if he has a funny catchphrase
Like every time he comes on stream, he knocks over a lava lamp and he asks Did I do that?

>>102579251
what the fuck
I'm not sure if >we're the crazy ones or twitter is

>>102579300
>The Japanese are the only ones with actual leadership capabilities because literally every other online manager / personality is a grifter, too immature, and/or too inept to actually work in a professional environment
Kek, it's kino!

>>102579281
Ah yes, of course. Yet you are the sad saps donating $500k to some spic because she cried and said she lost the money (hint: she is super rich). Where is ICE when you need them?

Ong these twitter trannies are speed running phase downfall with the amount of ughhhh Phase is the only good corpo left

>>102579314
>Shitposters can't even draw OCs
kek

>>102578463
She has said that she wants to be a grandma and have a bunch of grandkids and still stream yeah

>>102579269
And suddenly Nimi turned into an “Anime Character” as if it makes any difference to her telling everyone that she is getting married

>>102578515
So can't gunrun just stay quiet lawyer up and he can get away with? I mean it's not like any of these girls are going to dox themselves by taking him to court

>>102579254
No confidence...

>>102579363
keep you mouth open so nimi can feed you her creampie cuckling

is this a /jp/spie faggot thing to pretend different characters played by the same person are different? insufferable cunts

>>102579358
It's crazy how aggressive their fans are despite being only 0.6% of vtuber fans.

>>102579296
nice anime pfp

>>102579315
You can laugh but she believes she can be one and probably fell for Gunrun's fake promise too along with Mint

>>102579300
>>102579341
This one is funny too kek

>>102579351
who?

>>102579293
I guess the thing is, ID are designed to be 3 person gens, when you look at any given ID gen, it's "yup, that sure is ID1" but looking at any promo art, specially like the one they did for summer this year and having Myth and Promise be 3 holo groups fells empty, you know what was there, it's like phantom limb syndrome. And they stand out compared to the rest which have more members, also ID doesn't really have a theming to their gens but EN does, so when you have just 3 of the planned 5 the group feels incomplete, shoving all of them into a group at least brands them more in a "HoloEN classics/founders/OGs" kind of way

>>102579316
I'm with you, but I guess with vtubing being a nascent industry still, not everything is set in stone and definitions and roles are fluid

In hindsight, its a good thing en holomem is busy rn

>>102579314
>>102579399
Kek

>>102579372
That would be the natural thing to do for all of them but since this is some amplified ligger drama they all needed to prepare by throwing everything out in the open before even considering the legal aspects of it.

>>102579423
Let me guess the school...
Gender studies?

>>102579254
I'll always trust Miko

>>102579214
>Also explains why no affiliate
Shion didn't take the affiliate route either and she simply debuted as an indie on her own

is there a way to watch stream without giving them my view count?
clips arent enough sometime

>>102579314
Hololive just keeps winning

>>102579300
>>102579423

>>102579479
Vshojo jp with a shoddy nacho model

>>102579457
The only one that couldn't really ignore the vshojo thing 100% was Mori and she said her thing on he personal account and went back to having fun with the EN girls.

>>102577632
>>102578245
genuinely disgusting, she should've just retired instead of doing this to people

>>102579481
holodex

anyone wanna hop on some gmod prop hunt

>>102579496
They didn't talk about flying before?

>>102577635
All this song and dance about mint pretending to quit vtubing, going back to school etc. was just because she was waiting on a vslopjo scam
She's so fucking dishonest man, i always knew that LARP about how she wanted to retire from vtubing was complete bullshit

https://youtu.be/USDZmB3T3iQ
(dramashitter clip, but I'm not finding a proper source fuck off)

Why did Pomu make fun of the people that assumed she was going to vshojo here? They weren't wrong.

>>102579351
Puerto Rico is part of the USA

Why is everyone shitting on Gunrun when he doesn't even own the company? When will the Internet stop running the gun as soon as they find a fallguy

>>102579496
>20min streams
>8hr streams
Only a retard would choose 2016

>>102579473
More like the bait school

>>102579506
Now that’s how you use your roommate account

>>102579251
Do people think cuckoldry is funny?

>nimi tweet
Deja vu

>>102579496
you were just delusional back then
now you learn your place dog

>>102579508
I thought that was the decent way to do it. You retire your vtuber character and fuck off and enjoy your marriage in private for the rest of your life. Fans stay happy because they don't have to know and you can be happy too

>>102579531
Who owns the company?

>>102579496
Guy shouldn’t watch vtubers that make him depressed

>>102579526
Sista your livers become more popular once they graduate from kurosanji

>>102579535
Oof my eyes

>>102579568
but whos going to pay for the honeymoon, wedding and babyshower?

>>102577701
Just do what the original plan was, have a bunch of talents get together to pay for legal, merch, and marketing by pooling their resources. This way you have a proper support structure that is more effective than any single talent can afford on their own but at the same time also wouldn't scale up beyond what the talents can reasonably afford. What vshojo did wrong was pretending to be a simple support agency while at the same time also being a proper corporation with its own employees, growth targets and projects. Add on top a nonsensical business plan that relies entirely on being propped up by vc money and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

>>102579540
Didn't stop people from being retarded in the QRTs to the point the tweet for 2m views lmao

>m-my oshi is in hololive, i can't get cucked
>gets cucked for years

>>102579541
On twitter apparently they do. They don't even see it as cuckold shit, they think they're being better than the "parasocials" by laughing about it

>>102579541
In Flip land they love it, in fact an advert for their most popular fast food uses cuckholdry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kAOvTFA5rs&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kAOvTFA5rs&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kAOvTFA5rs&t=5s

>>102579194 (me)
forgot image

>>102579535
Tell this retard to stop using Nene pfp

>>102579496
I only watch saba, we have insane fanbase
She wouldn't dare

>>102579598
The husband obviously???????????

Unlucky minto
Third time the charm?

>>102579568
She wants to stream, some fans to watch her streams. What's wrong with that?

Are you people still talking about Nimi Nightmare? This girl has been talked about for years. We have Gunrun, we have this. We have all of the things. And, are people still talking about this girl, this whore? That is unbelievable.

>>102577863
kys subhuman /jp/spie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfdAGkjHGac
Today I will remind them.

>We lost Gura and Fauna because of Mint
grim

>>102579598
Napling and saplings
Btw lewd artist are now claiming fauna and nimi as two different entities. Oh how the avengers are falling

>>102579570
probably some guy whos last name ending with man

So, how were Nimi's numbers today after her announcement?

>>102578054
There was no offer because anon's uncle doesn't work at Cover.
Fags just sperg out because Mint was allowed to come to their office and sign on the wall, which has been open for celeb visitors for awhile now.

>>102579542
thing is, Nimi is entertaining enough to tank it, and she's not going to any weird breaks or stop streaming more than she already does, if she can keep it off her stream it won't affect her all that much

>>102579644
kek

>>102579568
Why is providing the service not enough?
What's so valuable about you being in love with someone? What effect does your love have on the physical world?
Its a basic emotional state, the natural state of being most likely, so why are you acting like people should bend over backwards their entire life to continue receiving it?

>>102579644
KEK

>>102579653
HOLY NAPLING COPE WTF

>>102579542
Why are you comparing someone who was and still is a literal who to someone who isn't

>>102579644
kek saba fucked up by getting too close to her and is taking collateral damage
she's trapped and has no idea what to say

>>102579423
If Hololive isn't big, why the fuck is Hololive's name in their mouths 24/7?

>>102578438
In the comics they are a villain group that ended up becoming a hero group for reasons
In the movie they are Marvel's attempt to recapture the avengers hype by gathering all their d listers who've popped up in all those TV shows they've been showing on Disney plus and putting them into a single team. Needless to say it didn't work

>>102579504
VShojo JP were teasing jellyfish out of nowhere only for it to be nothing so I believe you

>>102579602
So... communism

>>102579618
>/swarm/cuck melting about le walled garden
Kek

>>102579534
>>20min streams
it was more like 20 minutes high quality edited scripted content with thought put into it instead of just pressing the stream button and yapping about whatever

>>102578438
They're the industry plant Avengers that Marvel is trying to force right now by calling them The New Avengers

>>102579667
It’s not about nimi anymore, it about how the napcucks will forever be a laughing stock

3 hours of cute autismo TimeSmith noise while fucking around in vintage story
How were the threads any other news since?

I 10000000% believe this Saba and Mint to Vshojo rrrat just from the timing Saba followed Mint and unfollowed Gunrunwithyourmoney. But it's also funny to imagine how the talks behind the scene went, Gunrun saying how good his company was, talent freedom etc, and Saba and Mint were there nodding like idiots LMAO

>>102579653
>>102579698
>lewd artist
That's a lesbian who writes fanfics, dumbass.

>>102579128
Indies don't need bots to hit gold unlike certain Advent and promises members

>>102579716
is there a sex tape leak of her and her husband somewhere?
even just the sound is enough

>>102579618
nigger seething about shitpost that's exclusive on here. the fuck is he doing

>>102579644
release the files saba! the public deserve to know!

>>102579653
Jesas

>>102579748
Napcucks continue to be laughed at

>live in walled garden (fauna)
>get cucked 6.5x harder/longer than indies (nimi)

Shippers are the REAL victim in all of this.

>>102579254
Trust in the Unicorn Prime of Hololive

me sitting here waiting for a stream

>>102579754
gura probably wanted to leave for a long time but needed a reason
gunrun gave her a reason
but then before she joined it all imploded

>>102579296
beep is thai
they always marry the richest guy
so just be rich and she will come to you

Nova confirmed they have left VShojo and are continuing as indies

The brazilian napling is here LMAO >>102579762

>>102579754
>and Saba and Mint were there nodding like idiots
No one ever claimed Saba was smart and pretty sure Mint is a retard too
Women really are fucking stupid

>>102579254
She will try and carpet munch the entirety of hololive but i'm ok with it

>>102579254
FWMC will never betray me but at the same time they're at risk of being the first major streamers to die at work, so it's a 80/20

>>102579644
when is saba going to arrest ironmouse for treason?

>>102579653
>lewd artist
it's just a fanfic writer who makes occasional tumblr tier fanart.

>>102579746
The Homo of Mavel/Disney

>>102579754
I dont believe it just because Saba debuted before all of these. If they wanted her and wanted the biggest impact of a debut and introduction of a new gen ever, they would've debuted Saba into Vshojo Idols directly

hues in the thread
deploy anti thirdie mechanisms

You would think people would stop making shit up and peddling it as truth because it makes you seem incredibly mentally ill but here we are, over and over and over again

>>102579823
I’m rooting for her. KRONII PLEASE EAT OUT NERRISA NEXT SHE NEEDS IT BAD

>>102579791
me sitting here watching rocket stream
https://youtu.be/R8O5s-mMs8Q

>>102578530
Dude just link the god damn thing if you're going to do this kind of shit

https://reddit.com/comments/1m6zlgz/comment/n4nqrjv?context=3

>>102579754
>Gura let go yearly Concerts and Dodger gigs for an imploding corpo
kek

>>102579862
kronii has eyes only for gymbro cock anon

>>102579828
>they're at risk of being the first major streamers to die at work
It's sad that you're right

Babski won
Jurard won
Brownfeet won
Keklings lost
Nimi virginity lost

>>102579773
good don't let them rest

>>102579851
The vshojo idols was a thing they never followed up on though. That's the thing. They got scammed with false promises that it'll eventually happen

>>102579851
Considering they were stringing mint along since her leave from niji. They mightve told them to still debut as indies so they can recruit them true avengers style

>>102579836
Charging for fanfiction?! I'm doing it for free what the fuck

>>102579851
They wanted it but had no money left to do it. The plan was already falling apart by the time Gura graduated but by that time it was too late to correct course.

>>102579618
holomee is one of the homoraiders and also an outspoken anti and probably in this very thread

The most hilarious part is /#/ trying to treat Fauna and Nimi as separate entities because they don't want to admit to being actual cucks when they were glazing her 24/7 back in 2022 and 2023. Y'all are just as much a cuck as naplings.

>>102579618
Triggered by a guy saying
>Holo is doing his own thing

>>102579902
you can monetize literally anything anon. go for it.

>>102579864
Her stream died.

>>102579754
>Mori knew shit was about to explode because her friends in vshojo and that's why saba was the only one she never followed after graduation, she couldn't believe gura was that fucking dumb

>>102579885
>mindbroken sapnig is still peddling made up shit to try and deflect about how much of a sad cuck he is
i'd pity you but then again you are not even human to me

Saba still EN Gold

>>102579871
>leave the comfort and safety of VOMS to join an agency that spits you aside
Tomoshika... she calls for you again...

>>102579862
Kek

>>102579919
>they

>>102579919
you're trying too hard and also missing the point but nobody here cares enough to point that out because it's kinda funny watching you acting like a buffoon

Not Hololive
Not my problem

>>102579919
Still no proof :)

>>102579754
yet gura hired lawyers to get her trademark registered and everything else involved with incorporating her own company

>>102579935
Mori being the voice of reason in 2025 is really funny

>>102579919
There was a /#/ survey done and most people watched Biboo

>>102579851
bro it's fucking gura, they would have waited for exactly when she wanted to debut and still get a maximum impact

>>102579919
I'm not i never cared for her in the first place and a lot of signs were there

>>102579898
>if we don't have the resources to debut them directly we just tell them to debut as indies first
>it hurts hololive either way
sounds about right for the same company that dropped ads in Tokyo whenever hololive had any drama going on

>>102579966
Charity to nimi husband :)

>>102579919
I will forever glaze fauna, I have never once in my life glazed nimi

>>102579972
Trial by fire and all that noise. Mori ain't smart, but she knows what will burn her lmao.

>>102579919
>Y'all

qrd on the mint stuff? did she try to join vshojo recently or was that from months ago?

>>102579966
the amazing buff of chronic illness+getting scammed+anti-corpo sentiment

>>102579959
It wasnt gura hiring them. It was gunrun using the last of vshojos funds to secure the ip. Rate my rrat

>>102579959
Using a vshojo lawyer. Those things don't stop her from joining a company btw. They protect the character from ip theft and bootleg merch

How does he do it?

>>102579937
kek he cant handle the fact his oshi is a massive slut for gymchad cock

>>102579851
It'll fucking kill off all her following from hololive if that's the case

>>102579966
All they needed was the biggest drama since the NijiEN black screen kek

>>102579966
>another scam
lol

>>102579919
this

>>102579951
>>102580002
>>102579953
>>102579974
holy seethe

>>102579977
The fact that it took a month for Saba to even debut implies that the deal fell through just recently when the VShojo talents started to jump ship

>>102579972
Is there a reason you single out Mori and not everyone else that also stayed in Hololive. She isn’t special.

>>102577636
>Failed to get Shoto, USan, and Shylily
Was this after the 3 left because Shylily in the same company as Vei was not going to happen it be wild for VShojo to think they could make that work

>>102579754
did you faggots already forget Saba has a whole LLC behind her??? and has been working on the whole Saba thing since late last year

>>102579954
fauna was cucking her fans for a long time in hololive anon

this is your problem

>>102580071
>>102580026

>>102579828
Now that I think of it...I think that's the opposite of this situation.

Imagine your oshi is instead a very loyal worker, a very very loyal worker with no yabs during all of her career, but you can hear her or see her withering away, exhausting herself, retreating to the world that has made to share with you, to the point of sickness and death. Wouldn't it be just as bad as abandonment of the job?

>>102579649
You lost Gura, Fauna and several other talents from EN and JP because of the old retard YAGOO.

>>102580064
The post was about Mori?

>>102580071
>>102580026

>>102579937
He's just woke up and is right back to doing it

>I will forever glaze fauna
Yes glaze the cunt who had the least Idol work in the whole company
The one who never bothered putting in any amount of efforts with relentless breaks with never having anything to show for it
Go ahead and blame le management when the rest of the girls do make the efforts to give content to their fans
Go on keep on glazing those sloppy second napcuck

>>102580071
>He doesn't know IP holding companies
Saba did that to safeguard her IP anon

>>102579959
>>102580071
Did you forget that the lawyers she hired were lawyers who worked with Vshojo before?

Her ASMR was pretty bad and she never was that funny. As a NL watcher her constant callbacks to his stream were kind of annoying, to be honest. Repeating the jokes of someone who's funnier than you isn't very good content.

>>102580076
Back to this again huh? Let’s see the “hello saplings today I’m getting married to Kronii” tweet.

>>102579851
>they would've debuted Saba into Vshojo Idols directly
vshojo doesn't do that they only take in already established channels

Not Hololive
Not my problem

Not my oshi, not my problem.

>>102580118
Man. She really fell for Gunrun's bullshit by god I wonder how much money he promised her

>>102579919
Blue Dorito=good
No Blue Dorito=bad
Simple as

yabadabadooo bois

>>102579561
This makes me hard. Wonder if Kronii is finally going to make a move on IRyS after striking out so many times with other girls.

>>102579959
Yeah by using a vshojo lawy-
Holy shit the rrat might be real

>>102580026
>vshojo lawyer
the person filed trademarks for a shitton of american streamers and some vtubers too

>>102580145
$500k

>>102579937
nigga you both /here/ for almost 24hr typing bunch of shitposting trash at each other.

>literally jeet vs paki war /vt/ version

>>102580120
Repeating jokes works when you have a mostly captive audience who doesn't watch the person you are stealing from

Cognitohazard level rrat
Ironmouse's charity got paid and VShojo is in the green
She just doesn't want her spotlight stolen by Saba and Mint when they announce the new VShojo idol gen

>>102580160
Nah, i love those 2 together but they are just long time close friends

>>102580027
KEK

>>102580176
Only $500k for the top vtuber?

>>102579935
>Now you remember her RM tweet yesterday
>She was talking about telling Saba to not join vshojo but saba didn't trust her

>>102580033
Bijous 24hour stream btfo

Masaka the dumb shark thing wasn't a bit? She bought into the snake oil salesman just like that

>>102580180
Except i don't make shit up, he is a cuck and i'm calling him a cuck for it
Cry about it faggot

>>102580168
He didn't connect with Saba out of nowhere, someone introduced them. Like for example a certain vtuber agency CEO she started following on Twitter around the same time.

>>102580150
(Looking at his CV he initially worked as an intern at the infamous Deutsche Bank, and then went on to work at Barclays as a onboarding agent, then he did consultation at tandem wealth where he supported the """development""" of some excel macros... Seriously... This explains a lot. Then he worked for Vshojo.)

if this dude is the avp i wonder who was the vp

>>102580120
Now she gets to be female NL down to being open about her marriage and kids

>>102580120
There are bits that she can't steal like NL hating protein and having a cheap ass watch to flex

>>102580194
Yeah but the other version is more interesting so that's what I'll choose to believe

It’s so funny to counter nimicucks with a TWEET FROM NIMI’S MAIN ACCOUNT, I can confidently post a screenshot of that tweet without threat of being banned and they can’t do anything about it

>>102580201
thats all IM could raise

>>102580135
>5k average dogs
GRIM

>>102580223
We have nimi announcing her marriage

>>102580118
nah, they just have a vtuber specialist in the firm
https://odinlaw.com/legal-relationships-and-agreements-for-corporate-vtubers/

>A bull for you, is a treat for me.
>Nimi will jilt you, I love BBC.
>A tapir's night, lures the black meat!
>A tapir's rump takes all its cream.
>I'm just a race traitor.
>What did you say about my clout?
>Black men can touch my rump
>They'll take me and lay the pipe out!
>It'll be fun, that's what I'm saying.
>Oh wow! And maybe just a little bit of cucking.
Non-stop Nimi Cucking

>>102580027
Compare this to all the talents leaving vshojo. Man Holo is really like a anime, you have story arcs and glorious season finales like this stream.

I didn't ask. Stop posting.

>>102580131
You make exceptions for the biggest vtuber in the market dumbass
You don't poach Jericho and AJ Styles for them to be eternal midcarders, you instantly put them in main events

>>102580223
She is genuinely retarded and there was no doubt about vshojo being a scam last year so that faggot probably promised her talent freedom from annoying perms and money

>>102580231
he connected saba with a lawyer.. so saba could file a trademark completely separate from vshojo? make it make sense fliptard

>>102577701
it's kinda cooked because the corpo model is really fucking hard to actually make work
every small corp fucking crashes and burns due to either
>mismanagement
>was a money laundering scam to begin with
>hiring a bunch of psycho women who trear the company apart from the inside
to get eyes they have to dream big, to dream big they have to invest money, if it doesn't pay off quickly they immediately collapse like a cardboard. it's basically a high risk, low reward gamble. there's no magic solution, you either get lucky and have some talent blow up and carry the entire thing into relevance or not.
Even phase owes EVERYTHING to the grifter rabbit finding a market hole and farming all these kiwitrannies and polshitters, and predictably every fucking phase hire tries to do some variation of "le based redpilled tradwife femcel" LARP; which i bring up to say how much that single chuuba blowing up warped the corp around herself, which shows how much corps live or die based on unpredictable popularity surges of their hires

>>102579851
well the idea was that saba leaving holo would instantly kill the branch ala selengate (didn't work out) have saba establish herself as the top vtuber as an indie with no corpo help, then making a huge industry shaking splash by having her, nimi, and mint all join vshojo at once

I'm not into skin peeling like everyone else seems to be. I feel like an old pair of boxers, I'm coming apart

>>102580271
>for-corporate-vtubers
>saba is an indie
so she really planned to join Vshojo idol

>>102580306
Anon, VShojo talents all own their own IP. That's exactly what they would do.

cmon saba join phase

Only this place glazed nimi so much
She can't sing or dance

>>102580306
>completely separate from vshojo
This retard doesn't understand how vshojo works
Their whole shtick is that talent still own their ip

>>102580176
500k is just her birthday merch revenue anon
He probably promised her a huge ass equity in VShojo or her her branch specifically

>>102580349
which they didn't? only saba has

>>102580064
You seem upset

>>102580178
>2nd fes
OH

So those 11 million dollars funding was supposed to be used to poach Saba and other ex corpos but Gunrun got greedy and took all the money plus the charity money?

>>102579919
Pretending two iterations of vtubers are the same is a newfag idea that only became popular after Advent's debut.

>>102580329
read before posting

>>102578931
if Hololive forms a new company with the exact same shit, can they follow or even surpass Hololive too?

>>102580318
And they blundered it hard by being scammers kek

Are we pretending that we've always hated Fauna now?

daaammnn jurard 11k, any dorya'ers?

FYI the /xvsj+/ thread was pretty hilarious during Mint's stream and you retards should go enjoy the schadenfreude there
Start from here >>102572433

Do you think Saba regrets leaving Hololive now that VShojo has imploded?
She had the dream job where you barely work and get a fuckton of marketing gigs with the annual merch run

>>102580409
>we
In case you forgot, most Holo fans left /vt/

>>102580178
That's the shittiest Fes...

>>102580382
He's been dead silent since the allegations. Not even a we'll explain this later tweet, nothing

>>102580318
No lore drop?

>>102579056
i'm a coverfag i don't like the bullshit you're saying.

>>102580434
>where you barely work
retard

here is my 1000000000000000000% schizo rrat.
>gunrun poached Saba
>Saba agreed
>Ironlung knows Saba will mog her if she ever debuts to Vshojo and will lose her title as Vshojo queen
>TIME TO IMPLODE THIS SHIT
KEKAROOOOOOOOO

>>102580409
>we

>>102579944
Nigga VOMS were the most uselesss morherfuckers around and did the exact same dumb shit “oh well take all the merch but not touch streaming revenue” bit

>>102580420
Vshojofag love idolshit now?

>>102580228
Some people believe the world owes them everything
Well..
All promise/councilrys girls are faggots.
NOT WORTH A PENNY!

>>102580420
>Diamond Age
kek

YAB
They are no longer able to stream Uma Musume

>>102580434
Now she gets to not worry about perms or holo homework though.

>>102580468
Anything to own Hololive

>>102580456
Nobody can afford Gura

>>102580456
kek

>>102579809
what a shitshow

>>102580447
I hope he's not found floating inside a suitcase or something

>>102580409
Fauna is still a thread darling, nimi was a thread darling

>>102579959
Isn’t a fundamental part of VShojo deal that you keep the IP

>>102580460
Yeah we.
Read the thread.

>>102580420
Kek

>>102580409
Fauna != Nimi

>>102580487
Even killing themselves?

>>102580392
wtf, why is this vtuber news?
also get fucked, they gonna flood the market with calrose
jr fumbled the domestic rice market

>>102580498
>Still a thread darling
Open wide anon her husband cock is cumming

>>102580382
It's more likely that they simply were never profitable, operating cost, contract bonuses among other things started eating into the seemingly endless pile of venture capital money, and at some point it ate it all up, so they started taking from everywhere they could just to keep the lights on, and they own salaries paid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7TkT8wv-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7TkT8wv-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7TkT8wv-s

>>102580496
On his way to Belize with suitcases full of cash probably

>>102580489
11m loaned money and 500k charity dollars can

>>102579871
>the community got your back
what does this entail exactly lol?

>>102580439
staato

>>102580519
Yea one thing Hololive wont succeed in doing

>>102580409
we love brownfeet here always.

>>102580523
That’s nimi you retard, try and keep up

YONKISEI SENBONSAKURA!!!

vtuber awards predictions? who takes the cake

>>102580525
Yep. If it sounds too good to be true then they were fucking up instead of malicious intent but who knows for sure at this point

>>102579871
Yes the same people that wanted her dead for streaming wizard game are supporting her kek

>>102580368
That's exactly what they would do if any of their talents wanted to have a trademark for their IP, yes. The whole point of owning the IP would be gone if VShojo owned the trademarks.

>>102580191
That would be rather stupid of her considering GunRun could just post the literal receipts and obliterate her

>>102580532
>we will watch a few weeks and then mlve one
Pretty much

So this is the kino I've never experienced?

>>102580572
GG

and to think just a week ago vshojo wasn't even considered a real company

>>102580456
for real I really don't see why he would scam Ironmouse.

>>102580558
Guess what both nimi and fauna have the same bf or did they
Hey napcucks michael cat here

Is Coco's Echo stage one or two? I don't remember...

>>102580211
That would actually make a ton of sense.

>>102580590
I ccompletely forgot they didnt have idol outfits yet

>>102580590
https://streamable.com/ybenc7
holofes 2 was kinda cringe with the audience restriction but it was nice

>>102580537
KEK

>>102580150
they needed to lawyer up MONTHS ago

>>102580489
Nimi ia free for her husband

>>102580382
Those 11 million were spent years ago

Why is kayfabe so important to you people?

>>102580558
>>102580513
Anon fauna is nimi
You have been cucked

>>102580595
>>102580525
They were incompetent

>>102580599
>*explains how the holo garden works*

>>102580585
At this point anything is possible with how stupid these women are

No... I was vibing out

>>102580590
Luna was literally dying in the MC after the opening performances…
She has come so far now in recent years’ fes
BtS was quickly overshadowed by Bloom and Link Your Wish but it was an amazing event at the time despite COVID

>>102580590
Yes.
It's even better to think back on now if you were around then. The girls have improved so much.
I had been watching for 10 months or so by that point and I cried with pride, like I was watching my daughters or something.
I've been a huge idolfag since.

>>102580572
>vtuber awards
Who cares

>>102578183
not reading this massive fujo rant but just want everyone reminded that Aqua single handedly killed Nijisanji by copying their streams and doing them better

>>102580525
>It's more likely that they simply were never profitable
?? it's certain at this point. They cant live off of merch when their merch sales are shit aside from maybe Ironmouse and Henya

>>102580306
Vshojo never owns their chuubas trademark. its literally their whole "talents freedom" thing

>>102580641
If it was that simple then all the other talents wouldn't be shitting on them either. Random artists and people who saw the contract too

>>102580599
She was dating him for quite a while when she was going around as Fauna, you don't marry someone until you have known them for some time

>>102580599
>explains the quantum theory behind napcucks money and sudden semen taste in their mouth

>>102580590
You haven't even seen PEAK Holofes2 kino

>Red Heart (full version)
chills