Thread 102738182

> vshojo seeked investment in january
> losing $2.5m a year
> 30 employees
> even with "aggressive" growth still losing $300k a year

lol

>>102738182 (OP)
Should've spent more on ironmouse models

>>102738255
You're not being paid anymore. Quit defecting.

>>102738182 (OP)
lol

the tweet has all the slides from their pitch deck

https://x.com/uwunetes/status/1948963642419851731

>>102738182 (OP)
Damn, if the only thing they have to show for themselves is 'Ironmouse’s charity donation,' then maybe it really is for the best that they shut down.

>>102738284
It's funny that IMcucks think that when the news came out that VSHojo was paying the anti-Hololive trolls, it was actually to speak ill of the rat.

>>102738313
>Alex Kiyoshi
>Former Director at Cover Corp (Hololive)
>Responsible for the success of Hololive EN Gen 1.
>Believed in the vision of Justin and left Cover to join VShojo.
LMAOOOOO.

>>102738423
Kek

>>102738313
>>102738423
That's him, right? Alex Kiyoshi Plez. That's gotta be him. The guy that one former JAV actress said was a creep

>>102738423
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

>>102738313
Wow, handing out doxxinfo of your new JP gen in a marketing pitch sure is... something.

>>102738182 (OP)
i thought that was bat in the thumbnail

>>102738423
>Left COVER.
He tried to edit out the fact that he got kicked out of Hololive for being a sexpest.

>>102738423
So that's Omega?

>>102738313
kek their slides are advertising that they exclusively poach big vtubers

>>102738423
So they even poached Cover staff and still failed. So lame.

>>102738423
NIGGA, IS THAT OMEGA?!?!?!?!

Is this real? Why isnt the tweet blowing up?

I thought we already knew Omegay is Ancient One?

>>102738613
>posted 30 mins ago
Just wait a bit.

>>102738474
yes that's him, the former hololive guy who doxed hololive people too
The irl photos being contained in the vshojo documents proves it

>Armies of Vshojo cosplayers show up at every convention
>Vshojo's talents have raised over $1MM in donations for various charity campaigns! that we stole

>>102738423
omegalul, fuck you!

>>102738498
I thought you were joking. WTF????

>>102738423
KEK He's even more of a faggot than I had imagined

This retard was planning for 40 TALENTS when he was in the red with 17?

>>102738423
lmao

>>102738613
Dramabeggars are all in the west. Many are sleeping or have gone out to do stuff because it's Friday night. The SEA ones will likely know in a couple hours.

>>102738689
Depressed Nousagi must have been their PR coordinator

>>102738182 (OP)
yup, this was a techbro VC pyramid scam, alright.

This makes make me have two questions: did Gfuel have any reaction until now, and did Vshojo achieve what they wanted with their NOVA branch (AKA was it a flop or not)

>>102738709
Gunrun is just a less retarded Harry.

>>102738313
>Omega joined Vshitjo after getting fired
that’d be funny as fuck

>>102738709
>Poached Hololive staff
>Stole Hololive ideas
>Poached Nijisanji staff
>Stole Nijisanji ideas
Checks out.

>>102738182 (OP)
>higher takes in updated contracts
lol lmao they really tried to do this
I want to see how much gunrun was paying himself

>>102738499
I rather watch bat than kuro, and I hate bat

>>102738423
is this the guy who has marital statuses of the talents? lmao

>>102738742
The NOVA girls average 300 viewers, so I'd go with FLOP

>>102738709
I mean, if they kept poaching big ones they would have likely managed to crawl out of the hole.
The problem is that Gunrun was expecting to acquire another 23 people without the company imploding in the way. Assuming it wasn't just about to implode (it did).
However, knowing Gunrun, he would have kept expanding this with no end even after hitting 40 and they would have STILL gone under with even more victims and worse issues than just no payment and stealing charity money. Retard had no end to his own greed.

>>102738423
>left cover to join vshojo
kek. this retard seriously thinks he didn’t get kicked out

>>102738709
ACCELERATE

>>102738182 (OP)
Funny how this guy tried to bait investors by bringing up the revenue and talking positively about it when the actual profits were in the negatives after subtracting the cost

Also it's even funnier to see the actual revenue numbers because if you translate it to Japanese yen, VShojo expected to make at most 1 billion yen IN REVENUE this year, meanwhile Cover expected to make 50 TIMES of that shit

>>102738423
>Responsible for the success of Hololive EN Gen 1.
I'm more than willing to bet he split the legs of at least 3 of the girls

>>102738709
>Their plan was literally poaching other companies out of existence with venture capital
I wouldn't be surprised if Gura fucked off because they paid her to jump ship. We already know mint got fucked over.

>>102738689
If Gunrun is still minimally smart. He will delete this from the original pitch files.
Otherwise, it means there IS a version of this doc somewhere that has dox of 2-to-all of the talents of that gen. And nobody knows who the fuck will retain the duplicates of this file, which are not censored. Fucking idiots.

>>102738423
Alex is the guy that Shibuya Kaho was talking about that was sharing pics and relationship statuses of vtubers with people. No idea if it was vtubers from hololive, vshojo, or both.

>>102738670
>10K applied
>0 taken
Jesus

>>102738985
After we saw what that camila girl said and now this...

>>102738182 (OP)
What's a company at that size doing with 20-30 employees? ALL of their boyfriends can't possibly be on the payroll right?

>>102738567
they "poached" such a shitty manager, it's amazing how this poaching made HoloEN better off

>>102738980
How do we know it's him and not some other random employee?

>>102739024
According to Geega, they're playing video games in Discord calls.

>>102738423
>Responsible for the success of HoloEN gen 1
Only Omega would say shit like this

>>102738423
Reminder that if alex is omega and his departure lines up with omegas departure, then this is the guy that all the talents hated and acted as if he was a sexpest. Even Gura openly hated him and she is never open about that kind of stuff.

>>102739024
hell the company I work for is smaller and makes more money than this.

>>102738985
Which made me question the integrity of the members who defended vshojo when applicants who went through the audition brought up the "nepotism" issue a long time ago.

>>102738775
It's amazing how unoriginal this fucker was. Glad it all imploded

>>102738313
>>102738423
>Everyone saying Nijisanji was evil AF and had paid shills and agitators
>Turns out, they are just incompetent. The real evil was VShojo which was doing all of the above and even stealing from charity and doxxing talents to rich possible investors.
Don't apologize to Nijisanji anyways. But do remember that VShojo looked harmless, and it was the real fucking bane of the medium.
Also, God fucking knows if they were paying to destabilize other people and startups besides the Holokeks and Nijiniggas. We will likely never know unless someone close to Gunrun and the finance guy throws him under the table and brings up a list of previous targets.

>>102738423
lol
lmao

>>102738403
That's not what I read. I read that the CMO did it himself. Where did it say they paid anyone? I thought not paying people was their thing??

>>102738182 (OP)
>They wanted to one-up Cover
>By using Cover's discarded stuff and ideas as a cornerstone.
The model was shit from the beginning.

>>102739024
They all apparently were full-time employees too. But VShojo was commissioning third parties for everything so I have no fucking clue what the unnamed Keks that weren't managers were supposed to do.

At this point in time there was no chance in hell that Ironmouse and Melody WEREN'T aware of how bad things were going down in Vshojo. They're rapidly burning through money despite the operation theoretically having a low overhead cost.

>>102738423
>>102739042
Because if you read Shibuya Kaho's tweet, she describes the guy as a foreigner working for a big vtuber company who then left that one and became a director at vshojo. There's no one else that could possibly match that description.

>>102738423
I literally remember warning vshojo fags the day we found out this fucker jumped ships. All the early EN management was dogshit save for 1 guy (still working there), the rest was so bad to the point Yagoo himself rehauled the whole fucking thing with Advent. Firing basically everyone from management at the time.

>>102738423
I refuse to believe that Alex = Omega but when he said shit like that..

>>102738182 (OP)
>that pfp
pfffffttt

>>102738670
holy kek

>>102738980
>>102739255
I just started to realize the dramafaggots push for destroying privacy in vtubing culture is to make it easier for VShojo to poach and doxx. Oh my god, VShojo was behind a lot of the poison in this hobby.

>>102739196
Gunrun truly wanted to be Hololive he forgot that not everything that Cover tests is good and they discard those for a good reason.

>>102738182 (OP)
>>102738313
it's amazing how much that retard brags about being a founding member of Twitch when that shithole also has never been profitable, a running theme in his career.
>>102738423
at least we know what happened to Omega lmao. hope he rots in prison with Gunrun.

>>102739297
Vshojo WAS the poison

>>102739255
Its crazy how it all adds up, even right down to his linkedin work history and profile location.
This is insane, nevermind the fact that they doxxed talents in their sales pitch. There's no way they haven't doxxed any EN talents at this rate.

>>102739259
If I'm not wrong, at that time it was the usual time period in which contracts are renegotiated. Gura stopped streaming again out of nowhere and Ina and Kiara were active in their alts and even made some cryptic posts.
Now I see. YAGOO likely saw the writing on the wall with the poor management of EN and immediately scrambled to stop a potential complete collapse of HoloMyth right when Advent was about to go out to meet the same insane mess that Myth and Council were going through.

>>102738182 (OP)
Wait, unless I'm retarded, this graph says they planned to SLASH payroll in 2025? While talking about expanding?
And the FUCK is 600 grand doing in (other operational expenses)?
Yeah no wonder he couldn't raise venture capital.

>>102739397
NTA, speaking of contracts, this was interesting from the slide deck

Any word about our main man Dan?

>>102739435
>they planned to SLASH payroll in 2025?
Investors go crazy for that shit.

How the fuck did VShojo turned out to be everything people were accusing Nijisanji and especially, NijiEN.
No, this doesn't make NijiEN any better. Nothing could. But it shows that there's worse fucking things hiding among the lake of corpos. Small and big or who claim to be big.
Also, VShojo usually had contacts in other corpos. How many other corpos were collaborating with them on the whole "TOTAL HOLONIJI DEATH!" Campaign?

>>102739292
To their credit, they do have a big brand recognition in the west, thanks to Nyanners and Ironmouse.

>>102739174
One of the talents who left the company after the Harry Potter scandal said that VShojo paid trolls on 4chan to speak ill of Hololive.

Not that I ever believed the rrat, but yesterday people kept saying that vshojo was in talks with Saba.

But if the manager that made the lives of EN1 hell became the manager at Vshojo that would make it pretty much impossible for that rrat to be real right?

Like all the EN1 girls hated that fucking guy, there is no way they would sign up with him again.

>>102739440
>large established vtubers
>mid tier NIji ENs
lmao

>>102739440
lmao

>>102739494
nah

>>102739487
>How many other corpos were collaborating with them on the whole "TOTAL HOLONIJI DEATH!" Campaign?
I think it's safe to say it was likely everyone jealous of their dominance in the sphere

>>102739494
I was thinking about posting this but this thread is clearly for Holofags to dance on the corpse of this clusterfuck of a company. People would recognize Ironmouse before they recognize... Elira being the big one I guess?

>>102739527
If that really happened, someone of Saba’s size would probably be in direct talks with GunRun himself.

>>102739527
I suspect they paid kson and nijis lump sums to fuck off. They might have paid Gura millions. Would explain how they burned through millions.

>>102739378
The only reservation I would have against coming to the conclusion that he was doxxing holoEN talents is that by the time he talked to Kaho, he was working at vshojo and had no reason to bring them up. On the other hand, if he was bragging to investors or talking to third parties, he might've tried convincing them to invest based on IRL pics of vshojo talents like he did in the slides of this presentation.
Not to mention the fact that him allegedly sharing the marital status of vtubers is a second hand rumor. Kaho didn't even say she knew he was doing it, just that she heard from a friend.

Unless... he was bragging about knowing a certain famous haruhi music producer because he was the husband of one of the EN talents... but that rumor still seems fucking retarded.

>>102739487
Because it was a company made from a tech bro in California funded by silicon valley VCs

>>102738689
Oh ok, I know what this might actually be, considering it mentions NOVA.
Hotaru WAS a small-medium sized idol, most of her audience deduced it pretty quick who she was Yurishii
Peke has always been suspected to be someone (like a VA or an ex Idol too) by several people. Still no one knows.
Nagi and Hestia were streamers before and have always been vtubers. So, it is possible they are not the ones being mentioned here.

>>102739440
I was going there.
Oh, nigga. This basically reads as a fucking declaration of guilt, they really fucking said:
>We secretly DM and gaslight chuubas from bigger corpos into quitting them to join us. We only promise a better contract.
Considering that some chuubas came out saying they didn't pass the auditions and only the biggest nepohires got in. How many chuubas could have theoretically been lured into quitting their corpo, big or small, to have tried to join VShojo only to get rejected and left with no support?
How many women did these retards screw?
How much fucking damage did they really inflict upon everything and everyone?

So how long till Alex gets attacked on the streets?

>>102739440
they must've felt themselves so much lmao

hmm

>>102739527
Not unless he was actually fucking her and her making fun of him was a cover.

>>102739592
>Gunrun: I've lost millions to you

>>102739527
it's almost a guarantee that Vshojo tried to poach Gura/Saba, but at the same time it's there's practically zero chance they effected any of her decisions in the past year. it's pretty clear she wasn't really concerned about money (she doesn't even take super chats on her streams now) and just wanted actual freedom to do whatever she wants and she doesn't need Vshojo for that. I don't think there's a more clear case of a holo leaving over creative differences.

>>102738670
>10,000 auditions
anyday now right vshojofags? theyll surely pick up some smaller vtubers who arent already friends with the existing talents

>>102739440
haha omg gunrun really did want the sloppy seconds of holo and niji, i know offering a better contract/deal isnt immoral but holy shit

>>102738182 (OP)
>seeked
The past tense of seek is sought you fucking ESL

>>102739527
not directly
gunrun is the frontman, that guy just the insider doxxing everyone
see how stupid he is with kaho?

>>102739527
She probably negotiated to skip and talk straight up to Gunrun and avoid the ex-Myth manager. So, the Mousey approach.
Either that or she couldn't accept working with that guy again and didn't even bother joining VShojo, even if they asked her, because she knew that it was not going to last any longer. And so, remained Indie. But I can bet Gunrun kept emailing her every once in a while even before her debut

>>102739644
Won't happen, but it doesn't really help to have the linkedin still viewable

>>102739283
nice try omega

>>102738709
>Using EN manager's market knowledge to penetrate JP market
??????

>>102739696
The ones who were selected actually came forward. Some ladybug girl, a slime girl, and someone else I forget. I watched them game together and they weren't bad. I feel so bad for them.

>>102739527
Didn't she followed gunrun before
I wouldn't doubt the interest was there, but someone/something talked her out from joining them

>>102739620
>How much fucking damage did they really inflict upon everything and everyone?
Probably a fuck ton than we'll ever know since this is just the surface. Imagine what the real conversations behind closed doors are. VShojo was a poison in this community and hobby. This was much worse than I thought it would.

>>102739587
It's still baffling that VShojo tries to compete with hololive and nijisanji with very aggressive tactics though.
They cornered the twitch market and would still be at a very comfortable position even without using those tactics.

>>102739652
I believe it especially with how much containment breaking happens because of pinoys. If they're incentivized by American dollars too, it's such an easy job. VShojo is such a huge mistake.

>>102739527
Pretty sure that Dooby told Saba to not even bother with the VShojokeks. And even then, Saba had already gone through the hell that is trying to get anything done in a JP entertainment corporation, so I can bet that even without outsider help, she likely avoided Gunrun and his recruiters since the start.

>>102739620
>How many chuubas could have theoretically been lured into quitting their corpo, big or small, to have tried to join VShojo only to get rejected and left with no support?
>How many women did these retards screw?
This particular case is on the retards though.

>>102739487
For better or worse, you know exactly what the fuck you're getting into with Anycolor. It's a purely profit-driven Japanese entertainment agency, even if you ignore stories from ex-talents it was plain to see their approach from their conversation to shareholders to how they handle merch to how they dissolved several subsidiaries, like NijiKR, ID, Yumenografia, ect. At the very least, most of this information is publicly available on the investor relations section of their website.
Vshojo is far worse because they were the definition of wolves in sheeps clothing. Not only were they operating at a loss for years, there's just a massive disconnect from how they presented themselves in public vs how they presented themselves behind closed doors for business. They fucking doxxed their own talents in pitch slides for crying out loud, not even Anycolor does this. The only question is if this behavior is relegated just to the executives, or if it trickled down to some of the talents too.

>>102739828
I doubt she ever had any real interest in joining Vshojo. probably just followed him to keep up with vtuber news, since they were one of the more notable companies before all of this.

>>102739932
People are saying that Melody likely knew, but even if she knew, she might have shut her mouth to not ruin the hopes and dreams of the serious auditioners.

>>102739592
This is also what I think... however gura haven't received the money yet but with vshojo fall gura is not gonna get the money

>>102739960
I am now imagining the fucking reaction of Saba to opening up her phone and seeing VShojo and Gunrun's reputation going up in flames in a couple hours lmao

>>102739616
wtf
this is how i find out that lisa's VA ended up in fucking Vshojo
i thought she retired years ago
did she get bored and come back?

>>102739876
>They cornered the twitch market
They had an absolute monopoly and legal protections there too. They clearly got too greedy and their system was all collapsing on themselves.

>>102738423
Well Well so this is the doxxer, Alex you fucking fag I know you are here kill yourself

>>102739815
Found a picture. They have potential.

>>102739884
fucking hope so
gunrun seems to do a lot of wine and dine and fly people around
which unfortunately is effective with ex niji cause they got a shit deal or in trouble

>>102739932
honestly, any western vtuber joining Niji should have known what they were getting into after Niji rebranded their Indian branch to EN before making a proper EN branch. all I can really say about Vshojo is that they shouldn't have trusted a company founded by a Twitch founder that only signed on high profile vtubers and had the most retarded revenue setup in the industry to ever make a fucking profit.

>>102739960
She also used their lawyers.
Anyways the idea of Gunrun stealing charity money and running out of funds just to buy Saba is too funny.

>>102738423
Reminder this is Ina's Final Fantasy friend.

>>102740093
Yeah
She's still pretty good tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e82YNqvxltg
She's a huge nerd for One Piece and man oh man, I'm glad she and the NOVA girls could escape together.

>>102738423
Gunrun hired Omega and unironically helped Hololive

>>102739876
Their entire strategy was scooping up existing talents who had established fanbases, which is fine in itself (though scummy they pretended to do auditions and I hope that whole mess comes to light sometime soon), but the real problem became evident when you'd see a Niji graduate with Ironmouse tweeting at them something like
>I hope we may see you again!
only to see them redebut as a VShojo talent a month or so later. I'm not a big Holo/Niji fan but even I think the way they handled their new additions made them look more like a "JP corpo retirement home" rather than some actual competition against Holo/Niji (though as you said they had a considerable present at least in the EN sphere).
Also if you believe some of the ex-Nijis who never joined VShojo like Quinn, Sayu and that one musical tranny guy then VShojo was trying to recruit them while they were still in Nijisanji. That's pretty diabolical especially when the contracts prove how not-talent-first VShojo actually was.

>>102740117
Honestly, if Gunrun had taken it slower, he would have likely achieved his goals.
Being real. It all went downhill when the strategy went from:
>"let's make a VTuber corpo that seriously helps VTubers"
To
>"Fuck everything, poach talents (and then drop them), doxx, steal, spread rrats, overspend, not even pay people, once we reach the top, it would have all been worth it".
Motherfucker was blinded by the $$$.

>>102738423
lol fucking amazing I hope they are using all the embezzled money for their security

>>102740192
Agreed. Can't recommend the Nova girls strongly enough. All wonderful streamers.
Also THIS HOTADOG IS TASTY

>>102739440
They aren't so delusional as to believe that Coco and Rushia left Hololive for them right? Or maybe they're just trying to lie to investors? Coco brought the wrath of a bug nation on her and Rushia self destructed, Vshojo was neither of their reasons for leaving.

>>102740144
I was under the impression Vshojo had one lawyer with an expired license.
>Anyways the idea of Gunrun stealing charity money and running out of funds just to buy Saba is too funny.
I'll admit, it's a hilarious thought, but it's also really unlikely. the company had never been profitable and we already know the charity money more than likely went to pay the salaries of office staff.

>>102738423
So all those pro Omega shit posters were from Vshojo. Apologize to Phase & Nijisanji NOW.

>>102740117
Its hard to tell if it was greed doing them in, or if its just their egos getting in the way. Operating costs should still be high because they're based in San Francisco, but at the same time they only had 30 employees tops and its a job performed by a person sitting on their computer and playing video games. Even with their Japanese division, operating costs should not be that high, there had to be some theft going on.

>>102740144
lol, imagine if he paid her in a hurry and that's why they fully ran out of funds and the entire thing collapsed into itself. And only Gunrun and Saba know of the transaction. Would any of them say anything?, would catfish return him the money out of sheer pity at least?

>>102740337
It's 1000% greed. Smaller vtubing companies exist and they don't go under. It was big earnings and big spending. For all the acceleration shit posting that was said about Nijisanji it turns out that the Western equivalent was a flaming meteorite.

>>102738182 (OP)
jesus christ

>>102740314
I honestly don't trust any CEO anymore. And I still won't trust Niji. Although I do know now that they are a 100% profits first entirely Corpo so the grind is respectable but they won't get anything else from me.

>>102740337
Their revenue was abysmal

>>102740250
I think with Venture Capitalists demanding their money back on their investments, they had to act fast. They had $11 million and were likely in multiple years of losses with barely making enough money back when reading those financials.

This might explain why their entire business strategy was insanely wack. Their poaching strategy as described by this anon >>102740237 aligns to why. Think about it - which is faster and more lucrative? Building new indies or poaching those with established audiences?

Then with being blinded by $$$, they use every dirty method in the book with doxxing, spreading rrats, becoming insanely toxic in this industry, trying to bring others down so they can lift themselves up. It's all justifiable for their own existence and being the next top dog.

They were so desperate for Holo's clout that it blinded them on what good they already have it. Fuck these people and all of their associates which they clearly have a lot in the industry.

>>102738423
> Team members in the Philippines
So I guess we know who the real source of the SEA shit posters are

>>102740337
Going by what Vebae, Nyanners, and Silvervale have talked about, it was greed from the very first contract.

Employees (Justin's friends) get first dibs on payment. Contractors (anime whores) are threatened and coerced to continue earning the company money without timely payment, if ever.

>>102740513
Remember when April Fools happened and there were so many cancerous 'Holofans' that came from the Philippines. Guess we know why.

>>102739054
Omega left on 2023 for some random indie corp. This guy on the other hand is the one that was behind Nyfco. Funny how the dox site ended one month before he "left" Hololive.

I will be the first to apologize
I was memeing, didn't know the fat fuck actually thought the memes were real
I'm sorry, I like some of the Holos too, and the talents of the former pink V

I now fully believe the rat vespair and mag left because they where trying to make cover match a contract "offer" from vshojo and then never got it.

>>102738423
Agent Omega LOL. YAGOO is a ruthless fucker to send his best hitman LMAO

>>102740613
i wonder why vshojo didnt try to hired them and hired fucking mysta lol

>>102740513
>who the real source of the SEA shit posters
A lot of them spread doxx on facebook groups, participated in so much containment breaking, and in general were terrible users on the internet. While I do believe there were a few good pinoys, the annoying shitposters likely had revenue incentives and backroom deals now. Hell, it could've just been a good perfect storm where they were shitty people and Justin knew some of them willing to do it for money.

>>102738255
get a job schizo, you got fired

>>102740627
Thinking Omega is a good part of Hololive. They cast the pariah out and he manages to burn an entire corpo when given trust and no more monitoring.

>>102740501
I'm surprised he didn't try selling to some private equity

>>102739143
Shut up, phase-shill. You brethren is the worst offender when it comes to store shit and push rrats.

>>102738423
>>102740574
It might not be Omega because Alex left in 2024, and published stuff about Advent, which they didn't know.

>>102740635
their poaching strategy is trying to maximize audience retention, so they can get as much money as possible without spending too much of their on money investing in people. It makes sense why those 2 didn't get an offer, if their reincarnations didn't seem lucrative - they probably pulled the offer.

>>102740493
(Me) To put things into perspective I just checked and one quarter of talent remuneration alone (IIRC this is only the salary they give them, not even the total of their earnings) for cover is higher than Vshojo whole profits. By their own admission they were the "number one" in the west, but they didn't make money? What?

>>102740636
The shit posting on Phase picks up on certain hours and the janny is switched to protect all of their bullshit spam on catalog. I know Phase has a janny that cleans up their own yabs here as well but as far as I know that one still prunes catalog / generals properly.
It's all on a fucking timer here like they finish their day job and start their evening / night shift behind a computer being dick heads for the next 8 hours in a small team of 5-10.

>>102740250
>>102740337
the problem wasn't that they were greedy, greedy people make successful companies all the time. the problem is they, especially Gunrun, were fucking retarded and thought they could simply will a profitable and successful company into existence with vibes and dreams. that dumb mother fucker was wasting money on fucking after con parties for networking and English ads in a Japanese subway station that just bragged about how nice they are to their primarily English speaking talents. this is not the kind of strategy you see from people that know what the fuck they're doing. it a strategy you see from retarded techbros that only know how to gas up venture capitalist into investing before they sell their startup to Amazon after a few years of hiding how unprofitable they are, which shouldn't come as a surprise because it's the exact same shit Gunrun did in Twitch, only he never sold to a bigger company before all the cheap loans and VC money dried up and he had to actually show people the books. none of the business model made fucking sense in the long run. you can't make a profit by only taking a small percentage of merch sales and sponsorships unless your overhead costs are close to fucking nothing, which was impossible because the retard based the company out of fucking San Francisco California.

>>102740613
I don't because one of them would have jumped the pity train by now (you know which one).

>>102740746
Meds now

>>102740662
I don't doubt it was probably considered. These techbros probably considered every idea under the sun since they were just stealing everything from other corpos lol

>>102740695
Yeah, it's not Omega.
>Lead licensing.
It's the freaking license guy, which is worse.

>>102740774
>it's the exact same shit Gunrun did in Twitch
Twitch also never made a profit now that I think about it. Lol

>>102740746
Anon, I'm one of those shitposters and that's because I genuinely hate some of the Phase orbit. Phase has utilized similar tactics like VShojo with pushing rrats. Every corpo /here/ has utilized the same tactics and it's an open secret at this point.

>>102740778
It is clear people have been hiring groups to fuck up everyone's time in catalog. You got obvious shillers in other boards being protected by mods and janis as well, plus multiple accounts of vtubers hiring shady businesses for dumbshit like bots.

>>102738423
>omega reading all these (yous) when he left to manage the ex-holo indies last year

>>102740896
>when he left to manage the ex-holo indies last year
Dooby should track him and snap his neck like a twig.

>>102740774
>>102740848
yeah this makes a lot of sense and I like this interpretation the most.

so vshojo tried to poach mint, nimi and saba?

A staffer crashed out in amalee's stream after the announcement

>>102740949
context lmfao

>>102740949
holy fuck

>>102740695
that lines up pretty well with when we know omega got the boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPqcPWLuLM
https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1806615166446174395

>>102740949
What the hell??

>>102740949
In case you guys forgot that Twitch and it's entire staff hates vtubers

>>102740117
VShojo’s financial problems are not caused by marketing. Their cost to deliver products is almost as high as their revenue, which leaves very little profit. Even before paying for staff or events, they are barely breaking even. With high expenses and low profit margins, the business model is not sustainable. Cutting marketing would not solve the issue.

>>102740635
Mysta was still Luxiem, he was the closest thing to a "sure bet" a male vtuber could ever be. It is interesting that Vesper and Magni didn't get poached, they still had momentum and Magni at least would probably be interested so I wonder why they backed out.

Unless Vshojo gave those two in particular offers but never had any intention of actually going through with it. Funnily enough that would have been the killing blow to HoloStarsEN, "sabotaging" Cover but ending up letting HololiveEN recover for Advent

>>102741009
Shiori had already one year on Holo by that point anon, and not counting the prep before debut
Omega was lone gone. Alex is likely this >>102740827

>>102740949
>top result on google is an active EUNE league account
one of the schizo rrats of all time

>>102738182 (OP)
>licensing the talents IP out for millions of dollars
They don't own them. They never did. That was the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of Vshojo. Good Lord someone needs to smack Gunrun upside the head

>>102740635
Mysta is more popular and successful. Even if he is a retard schizo.

>>102741080
Thought process was probably collabs similar to hololive dodgers and nijisanji NBA, problem was thinking that was somehow going to save them from 10% profit margins when they were lighting most of their revenue on fire

>>102741058
they were spending $100k a month on subway ads in japan
How much revenue do you think those generated in return?

>>102741080
It's not completely binary, could have the next cohort sign over specific IP rights and licensing.

>>102741080
As we said in the x, it was probably shit like Smite or Fortnite.
They also had the one image of the game.

>this massive clusterfuck of a disaster
The only reason this isn't a 7th trumpet scenario is because it's vshojo and not holo. But holy shit, this nuclear disaster would be exactly what the 7th trumpet would look like.
I want ignacio jailed and raped by at least 3 niggers daily.

>>102741061
Same reason they couldn't pull Dooby or Nimi probably.
Mori warned them.
She and Mouse talk a lot.

>>102740949
Jesus fuck, it really is a company ran and staffed with terrible people. No idea why Matara is holding back on slandering that shithole unless she's also complicit.

>>102740774
Looking back at the slides, I really wonder if Gunrun was even the genius he was hyped up to be in the first place. His claims to fame are only being one of the largest Starcraft 2 streamers on Ustream, and apparently being Employee #2 just meant "saving broadcasts of esports tourneys" and "personally help set up major streamers during Twitch's early years". It sounds more like he was a networking guy or glorified tech support that somehow fell into success, other people probably did a lot more than he did.

>>102738972
they were already sent to potential investors
those are the ones with the files, it's too late

>>102741159
This is just 3rd trumpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qe54-ZOkC4

>>102741061
>>102740635
The narrative that i like is that the 2 stooges used VShojo's promises to leverage Cover for a comparable or better contract. But we'll never know for sure

>>102741159
Holo is incredibly lucky that Gura is lazy or she'd have caused the 7th Trumpet by graduating.

>>102740130
I like this one. She looks goofy.

>>102741159
>7th trumpet
I think we need to come up with something even higher because this is so much worse that that.

>>102741120
But that was a one-time payment. The real problem goes much deeper than just overspending. The core issue is that VTuber production is inherently expensive, and the current profit model isn't strong enough to cover those high costs.

>>102741188
Someone should make an edit adding 'stole $500K in charity money' to this image.

>>102741188
dude probably took credit for other people's work to lift up his own personal branding, he seems like that type of guy.

>>102740984
Amalee's little brother died in 2019. Couldn't find how. Accident probably.

>>102741061
Frankly, it would begin to explain why Gunrun got so cozy with a bunch of the lower rank Nijis. He never had any intention of really hiring any of them, he just wanted to sabotage what he viewed as his main competitior, as all good sociopathic businessmen do.. And it actually did work, at least in the short term before he ran out of money.

>bragging about poaching with an image of a poached talent front and center

ballsy and evil as fuck

>>102741283
Nigga tricked Kyo, funniest shit he has ever done tho

>>102741283
>he just wanted to sabotage what he viewed as his main competitior
it's a win-win, he can make their attractive talents leave thus reducing their reputational strength but also poach the really lucrative ones and drop the shitty ones. Explains all of the ghosting he does to everyone, he only picks the moneybags

>>102741188
I wonder if it's inferior syndrom, i remember people keep asking him if he was THE justin from justin.tv because he had a global emote (he was afterall an employee). He did a lot like IRL streaming, casting but never the first or got big/recognized.

>>102740635
Really? That was obvious to me. If you only have limited funds to entice existing talents to sign, would you pick a Tempus over a Luxiem?

>>102741327
honestly did niji a favor, sisters dont want him either kek

>>102741283
I mean.
Even with Mysta, Nina and the guy Enna was in love with NijiEN would still turn into a zombie in the end.

How many years is it going to take to fix all the damage VShojo caused over the past five years to the VTubing scene in the West?

>>102741327
If there was one good thing he did for NijiEN, it was that.

>>102741188
>I really wonder if Gunrun was even the genius he was hyped up to be in the first place.
none of the people who founded twitch were particularly smart beyond knowing how to set up a streaming website, anon. Twitch simply lucked out by coming into existence at the right time when internet speeds were getting good enough to reliably stream to thousands of people from home. the mere fact that they had zero real competition in that market is what kept twitch alive long enough to get bought out by Amazon, which has kept it alive as an ad platform since.

>>102738709
That would have unironically saved them. The ratio for talent to staff was just way too low to be sustainable, especially with low cuts.

>>102740337
100k for 1 employee would be 3m each year. make sense

>>102741440
I don't think the damage can be fixed, we'll just enter a new era again where the implosion of NijiEN and VShojo make people more aware of how bad things really are. Unironically, there'll probably be more talk about indies but they don't exactly do anything interesting to warrant attention, that's just me though.

>>102741440
Knowing how this business is going, if one more company has a fall down like this one, it would unironically kill the corpo dream.
Most are going to jump into shit like Mythic.

>>102741203
I wonder if the others knew about it, might explain why Mori, Kronii, and Bae basically wiped Magni and Vesper's existences from their memories. I know I would be pissed off if someone sold me out like that.
It also explains some things the Orc had said like "Vtuber corps absolutely sabotage and counter program each other" and why the other one said he was screwed over and needed money.

>>102738354
C'mon don't downplay them like that. They also have Kson and Henya :)

>>102741570
>if one more company has a fall down like this one
At this point, i'm just waiting for the skeletons to come out of the closet for Phase Connect. Seems like every year, one corpo just massively explodes.

>>102739876
>twitch market
it's a house of cards. The "Twitch market" that you're saying is fundamentally fake and riddled with viewbots.

>>102741440
I don't even feel confident in Hololive anymore. I don't think they're doing anything like this behind closed doors, but I'll never be certain.

>>102741048
Not only that but they support terrorism.

>>102741722
reminds me how the allegation of Melody using viewbots for her CB initial career. Maybe there were viewbots for all of VShojo lol, it's an open secret that some big Twitch streamers buy viewbots for their streams.

>>102741570
every vtuber corp is going to crash and burn except Hololive, which will somehow maintain it's good reputation long after Yagoo dies, and Phase Connect, which will transition primarily into a coffee company.

>>102739255
>splitting the bill
Always makes me laugh

>>102741624
that rrat totally makes sense. And cover is way too kind. They could put their asses on fire just leaking that info and hurt VShojo reputation. What makes me thing that Yagoo never thought that Gunrun and cia were malicious agents.

>>102738423
That's not omega since omega was there from the start or at least very early on. Also we know omega is some esl jap that was canned anytime from 2022 to 2023 and is now a producer for some small time jp vtubers.

>>102741717
It is curious to note that almost every single Western-founded agency from the beginning of the pandemic ended up either shutting down, bought out, or imploded.

>>102741048
>Twitch and it's entire staff hates vtubers
Imagine if this was because of Justin and VShojo, it seemed so random for them to hate vtubers all of a sudden. Honestly, I would believe this was the case, it kind of fits too well especially with them clamping down on sexy outfits for Vtubers as it literally forces VShojo models to tone down.

>>102740250
>make corpo that helps vtubers
>lets employ the worst sack of dogshit possible and call them talent
Everything is just a brand image, anon. Do you really think having camwhores, grifters, dramawhores as the foundation of your talent will lead to anything good?

>>102741818
We know. But this guy was 100% behind Nyfco.

>>102741435
Not if Selen didn't happen and even with his insiders there was no way Gunrun could have known what would happen concerning that. He was probably /here/ laughing at the Black Screen Stream with the rest of us. Its why he never tried to recruit Doki "As a reward for killing NijiEN for me, I won't scam you like Matara, Kuro, and Mint,"

Shame. I liked their group song covers

>>102741717
Fishman being so close to his talents is a big red flag in the entertainment sector. Never trust a man managing a bunch of girls and hanging out offline as a good thing.

>>102741731
What I learned from this is that extremely strict NDA's are cancer.

>>102741796
In Japan, if you ask someone to meet you in business, then as the 'host' of the meeting YOU ARE TO PAY FOR THE EXPENSES.
It's like, the #1 most basic rule of business there. She says it to show how fucking clueless the dude was when it came to the very basics of Japanese business.

>>102741833
problem with pretty much any company started at that time, not just vtuber agencies. interest rates hit rock bottom in 2020, so everyone got drunk on free money and forgot the money printers would get turned off eventually.

>>102741731
>>102741896
What I learned is that one of the few pros of Cover being public is being able to see the cash flows. You can see where the money goes at least.

>>102741801
Yagoo gives me the impression that he does not the see the bad in people. But he has been in the business long enough to know when something isnt right.

Omega went on to work for Veil Project JP, not vshojo
This Alex guy had a different role. Omega was mainly a "producer" as in working on concepts and shit

>>102741731
are you just shitposting or does literally everyone who left Hololive and has said nothing but positive thing about their time there good enough indication for you?

>>102742032
>This Alex guy had a different role.
Part of the Broken Council/Irys/Promise generation then lol. What an absolute tool to claim credit for being part of Myth.

>>102741009
How does that weegee board work

>>102738182 (OP)
Why the hell did they need 30 employees?

>>102742115
ghosts

>>102742138
They don't say how many were hired in specific countries, for all we know, a good amount were outsourced to the Philippines for cheap labor.

>>102740130
There was a 4th member in that group who didn't come out.
https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo/clip/HonorableKnottyCurlewFailFish-GCyu2DH3DNukqBpk

>>102742091
That's just LinkedIn 101. You claim be part of every success, even if your role was just tangentially related

>>102742091
There's a pretty good chance he was some no-name schmuck that told gunrun he worked for hololive, and so he HAD to have him because he had such a fucking Lex-tier hateboner for Yagoo

>>102742115
Kiara is moving it around with her hand. Dunking on Omega is just one of her favorite pastimes

>>102738641
what photos

>>102742180
That explains a lot... especially a recent past interview where they had to check if the success was directly because of me lol

>>102742220
The photos from the Nova members from VShojo Japan.

>>102742219
Do you think she’d call him a slur if she could get away with it?

>>102742265
probably called him a slur on /vt/ here lol

>>102742264
link?

>>102742295
There is a link to the xitter thread. The photos are obviously edited out.

>>102742091
Myth was a huge success yet it really was mainly the girls that made it work. The few employees/managers that had any small part in it will likely gass themselves up in their LinkedIn profiles, yeah.
Only other person I can think of from that time is loserbait, but he's just doing whatever (probably still working for cover or nijisanji or both actually).

>>102742184
Imagine having such strong branding power where a no-name shmuck managed to fool a techbro, I kneel YAGOO

>>102739255
It's insane that she knew this and withheld it until it was socially acceptable to dump on vshojo. Very japanese of her.

>>102742285
She needs to work on her english
>>101334416

https://x.com/uwunetes/status/1949005024807329967

leave alex alone

>>102740117
The is no way that Vshojo was at all profitable. They took a small cut like a twitch talent org might but spent money like jp corpo could.

>>102742718
Alex can talk to the cover lawyers instead

>>102742718
Nope. He is the only one who matches kaho's description. He is accused of being a doxxer among other things. Just because he says he's innocent doesn't mean he really is. I'm not saying to harass him but he should definitely be investigated.

>>102742718
So he was not the one who made the claim in the pitch deck?
Kek poor dude got used

>Initially had the IRL faces of the talents but we redacted them
TOPKEK What? Where the fuck did they got this, some confirmed it's real, HOW?

>>102741188
>It sounds more like he was a networking guy or glorified tech support that somehow fell into success, other people probably did a lot more than he did.
It's almost like he was the CEO in title only, and Mowtendoo (the CCO and CFO) was the one calling the shots while Gunrun was his puppet. The plan being that if the company imploded, Gunrun would be the one targeted as he was its public face, while Mowtendoo could pretend that he wasn't involved, or at least that was what he had intended until Veibae and Nyanners exposed him. That's my rrat.

>>102742837
kek it's always hilarious that most holofags just want to be left alone but always got unknowingly dragged to this monkey fight for no fucking reason

>>102741896
It is what it is. From the point of view of a company, they help to minimize the possible damage a vengeful whore can do. You're fucked from the PoV of a fan though.

>>102740774
Those ads in Japan were 100% intended to entice JP Holos/Nijis to take the bait and come over, and so was that infamous "cons: nothing" stream by kson, that was literally an ad aimed at JP vtubers too (and kson did it happily because she believed the promises and thought she could "save" her friends). After getting kson and Nazuna Gunrun probably really believed that he could poach someone huge right out of Holo.

>>102742718
Alex should sue Kaho because if it wasn't for her testimony then his name wouldn't be dragged in the mud lol.

>>102742718
If he doxxed Cover talents he is going to need a lawyer. They slammed a guy over a kanata shitpost just a few months ago.

>>102742924
Seeing how much dirt Vshojo had accumulated I really want to hear the actual reasons why Sana, Gura, Fauna etc graduated instead of the corpo bullshit answer.

>>102743016
Kanata shitpost?

>>102743037
Not hard to imagine in Fauna's case

>>102742864
As discussed before, the NOVAs, were something Loutlot (JP "CEO"), Alex and likely Mofuku worked on.
From what people have gathered, well simple enough:
Hestia has always been a streamer, she often talks about a job so I doubt she's on anything other than that. She's also not Japanese.
Nagi used to a vtuber, graduated a month prior. Again, no reason to have an image.

Now, Hotaru and Peke were mysteries.
Hotaru has already been posted in this thread who she actually is, which was picked up by her old fans.
Peke hasn't been identified. She might have been a small idol working at DearStage (Mofuku's production)
Likely they were using and were plan to use the idol gen to boost themselves in Japan.

>>102743037
I don't think those cases are hard to get.

>>102743057
I don't remember it too well but it was a drawing of a stickman pissing on kanata's grave posted on their version of 4chan.

>>102741818
Naah, that's definitely him. Omega Twitter was created in may '21, and YouTube channel was created in August '21. According to his LinkedIn, he joined the company in June '21, so the timeline fits

>>102743118
):
Why would someone draw that about her?

>>102743091
Does Mofuku that strong of a connection with JP talent growth. There are soo many JP indies out there or was he a major mover in a corpo before.

>>102742718
tell him to stop being a pussy and post a proper response

>>102743118
That was last year iirc... the most notable one this year was a bomb threat poster to a venue by a koroneschizo

>>102743141
Omega was working at Cover since at least 2019.

>>102743068
>>102743100
>instant corpo drone cope
sad but expected

>>102743164
First, Mofuku is a woman
Second, Mofuku is the main producer of DearStage, a place in Japan which is a small jump start for idols, she also is the main producer for Nijiconquistador, Meme Tokyo, ARCANA PROJECT, Kyururin Tte Shite Mite
https://conconcafe.com/en/tokyo/akihabara/dearstage/
This is also why Mint wanted to work with them.

>>102743141
But according to Kiara, Omega left in 2022. This dude was still with cover well into advent which had no contact with Omega

>>102743257
Just saying it's not hard to imagine the reason why Fauna left.

>>102741875
Actually, I think he decided to stay away from Doki because it was clear she wouldn't keep quiet if she noticed anything was amiss, even if she had complete trust in him like kson and the others.

>>102741924
That's not even a Japan-only thing. Fucking anywhere if you're actually on business, you can just expense it. Even if it's just a fucking favor, common sense says you should pay for the meal at the bare minimum. Ideally you'd also have some other gift as a token of appreciation.

>>102743290
Actually it is and it's probably not going to be just 1 thing either.

>>102739518
She never said they paid anyone. 2 of the owners did it themselves. Apek and Mowtendoo.

>>102743091
what I want to know is how many sexual favors were needed to get a deal with UMG?

>>102743037
Sana didn't want to be a vtuber full time as she is a full time artist and likely that took priority. Gura and Fauna did not like the direction cover was going. So see what cover has started doing differently and that is part of why they left. Nimi pretty much hasn't changed since leaving and Gura is streaming a ton more.

>>102738423
Seems like this is not Omega like /vt/ hopes it to be.

>>102740130
bewi…

this shit was ran like a prostitution ring.

>>102743422
Good grief, Gunrun did so many people dirty

>>102743257
You can't deny it dude. The interesting cases are in nipponland.

>>102743422
Alex + Mikuri, you need to have VshojoJP to vouch for this. I do not believe you two right now especially with Kaho's testimony against a person who has such a similar circumstance. Everyone in VShojo really has radioactive energy because of Justin...

>>102743391
See that's the kind of shit I'm talking about, the same simplistic copes were always repeated about Vshojo leavers.
>Vei just wanted to get closer to OTK
etc
When in reality there was just so much more to it which they weren't allowed to talk about at all until the company died.

>>102742718
So he could've get this guy's job, but decided to join Vshojo instead

>>102743422
Anyone with a working brain and not a dramatourist knew he's not omega.
But he was the one Shibuya talked about here
https://x.com/Shibukaho/status/1947445892514254869

>>102742718
>despite VShojo management treating him and all the staff so badly
So, who's the antagonist in this drama? Only Gunrun and MowtenDoo?

>>102740949
what the fuck? how recent is this?

>>102743422
Mowtendoo also pretended he had no idea what was going on when the news first broke, I ain't believing SHIT

>>102743535
That's the beauty of corpo explosions, the mystery is us trying to figure out who are the real antgaonists

>>102743517
meaning to quote >>102743422

>>102743349
Yeah, it’s common business etiquette everywhere. If you want someone’s time and attention the very least you can do is give them a free lunch (that the company is paying for anyways).

>>102743559
antagonists*

it's late here reading drama

What if Sayu was actually a Niji agent tasked with the destruction of Vshojo? She fed Gunrun with the retirement home idea

>>102743535
>who's the antagonist in this drama?
Everyone. Believe in no one, everyone wants to make the most out of this situation.

>>102739616
>BanG Dream!
>small to medium sized
wut

>>102743555
good call, Mowtendoo publicly threw Justin under the bus despite his shitty behavior, so we need to be critical of people making statements. Lots of actors in this story are suspicious among us

>>102743535
Mowtendoo seems like the worst of the 3 to me.
Aethel really went off against him for being a creepy rapist type of guy at the vshojo parties, not even mention that he purposefully poised the well by spreading lies to ruin friendships and isolate vshojo members.

>>102743352
Now that we know she wants to start a family soon it really isn't
>Don't want to have to travel to japan for multiple weeks at a time multiple times a year
>Need a more flexible schedule even when not in japan
Not to mention that you can't talk about your marital status while in hololive (at least not on main) so that could of been another reason. Though I'm more of the opinion that she got spooked by the vshojo leaks and decided to shoot first and get it out of the way.

>>102743535
You quoted it, Vshojo management

>>102743679
You're literally coping my dude. Hopefully one day the NDA of Cover will also fall down so we can learn the truth.

>>102743352
>Her fiance wants to start a family, he doesn't wants to be left alone with a dying cat when his girl is traveling across the country or in the other side of the planet.

>>102743557
I understand the feeling of women when they're yapping now. So many people hate the drama and its enjoyers, yet so many others enjoy the drama like it's as entertaining, if not more, than the actual VTubers' content. I just hope that no one dies (in real life) for whatever reason.

Hololive and Phase Connect next, please.

>>102743517
He wanted to have a job in Japan so he could keep living there. Not returning to the states.

>>102743739
You're extremely retarded, coping or an actual shill if you think it's just pure coincidence that she graduated among many others that year and all of them only have 1 issue with Cover.

>>102743497
Your not going to know the exact reason unless they come out and say it and I doubt most would get into any real detail even without an NDA. Sana I think is pretty accurate. The other two it is likely new contracts where they were either going to be payed less or felt it was unfair to them going foward. Maybe Saba will stream less but as of now it seems like whatever hoops she had to run through in order to stream or sing made it impossible for her to be comfortable working.

>>102743422
Hey NekomiKuri, I know he’s not Omega, but is he the one Kaho was referring to?

>>102740949
Jesus

>>102740093
which lisa

what are the NOVA girls doing about all this? Do they even understand the significance of what has happened? I looked and Hotaru just seemed to stream as normal and other than reposting a full English tweet from Gunrun saying that Vshojo failed which she didn't comment at all, I don't see any indication where she's worried about her/NOVA/UNIVOLT's future

>>102743703
MTD and Alex, I know you guys are seething on being exposed, but stop having Holo living rent-free in your heads. You're literally being the next big corpo exploding like Niji, learn from Nijiniggers.

>>102743825
Bang dream

>>102743811
Unless Kaho comes out and confirms, assume it isn't.

>>102743806
>Your not going to know the exact reason unless they come out and say it
That's what I'm hoping for.

>>102743852
You're being retarded. I don't seethe at Hololive. I supported these girls and want to know the real reason why they left and not the corpo shill answer.

>>102743749
hololive will never die

>>102743885
she fucking won't, the hell you on. You bros are cooked, holy shit.

>>102743877
He’s not my type

>>102743885
>assume it isn't
Riiiiiight

>>102743799
Their contract simply expired. If you pay attention you could see how to be relevant in Holo you need to be willing to move to Japan like almost all EN or just support travel there two times per year. Nimi and her soon to be husband probably wanted to get a new house and move there, working remote. And Saba we know about her travels to Sweden.

>>102743811
lmfao

>>102740130
cute

>>102743892
>want to know the real reason why they left
you're retarded, we'll never know because that's their personal business.

>>102743630
>heartbreaking: cool guy who used to make poops became a metrosexual weirdo
why

>>102743877
She's cute. Does she have a bf? Is their band not active anymore?

>>102743948
>>102743924
We will hopefully learn one day when the NDA expires and they can actually talk about their real issues within the corpo and not just the cope holodrones came up with.

>>102739042
So this is why nimi announced getting married

>>102743986
they all have had issues with the corpo, it's pretty obvious it's gonna be a lot of typical answers that most people have guessed. The fact you're wishing it to be something corpo-destroying makes me think you're just bitter and mad.

>>102744013
thats the current rrat

>>102743986
You are spiritually indian.

>>102744053
Where did I say that it should be corpo destroying you dumbass drone?

>>102738423
kek

>>102743422
NekoMikuri, what's your relationship with this guy and why do you back him so hard? Why do you believe he's innocent? By speaking up, you're also now liable and part of this drama. I hope you realize you're now part of the circus.

>>102743983
She was a member of their most successful band at the time before leaving (or not leaving, apparently) the industry and the character got recast, that was like 7 years ago but the band is still going with the new VA

>>102740635
Mysta had a million subscribers when left nijisanji. Most of the top Niji JP members hadn't hit that milestone yet.

>>102741009
Kiara's disdain for him was not only completely justified but maybe too tame if it's really him who was doxxing them and then helping sea shitposters drag cover

>>102744107
That's what it felt like from your tone honestly. If you're just a random curious fan about NDAs in a thread discussion regarding Vshojo being exposed and imploding, I don't think this should be the time to bring it up, faggot.

>>102741554
>the implosion of NijiEN
lol

>>102741838
>Imagine if this was because of Justin and VShojo, it seemed so random for them to hate vtubers all of a sudden.
The fact that the anime girls were drawing eyes and money away from the ethots was enough for twitch mods and admin simps to penalize the former for the benefit, if not at the direct behest, of the latter. Not saying it's not the reason, just that there's a more obvious and simpler reason for the vtuber hate by twitch.

>>102743799
Out of the 4 En's to have graduated this year 1 is still affiliated which wouldn't make much sense if they left on bad terms, 1 left because of her voice and having graduated, and 1 likely due to marriage and travel. The only one with a question mark still is gura. The truth is graduations shouldn't be unexpected in corpos no matter if they are successful or not and they are more likely to happen in bursts as people leaving spurs others to reevaluate whether they won't to leave or not too. The only real difference between good and bad corpo graduations is whether the reason is mundane or abusive.

>>102740949
Timestamp for this?

>>102744185
I started this conversation by only stating that NDA's are cancer because it was proven companies can use it to hide massive shortcomings.

>>102743422
Nice damage control, that guy alex is literally the reason why naplings are getting crucified on the cross kek

>>102744135
Oh, apparently it was due to "health issues".

>>102744214
Twitch is such a stupid platform if that's the case

PEANUTS, GET YOUR PEANUTS HERE

>>102743422
Isn't this the SEAnig clipper that used to shit on HoloEN when NijiCN started paying him, only to go back to clipping Holo when NijiCN imploded and pretended it didn't happen? I wouldn't trust anything he puts out.

>>102744219
I didn't ask for your corpo drone cope.

>>102743037
I don't know why vt tend to memory hole the 2024 Mel firing.
That was THE watershed moment for Cover Corp relationship w the Holos.
They're now in the big leagues, they cannot afford to fuck around anymore.

Imagine having an insanely cushy job with a pushover boss, and you just have to show up one month per year.
And then 1 day, this kind lovable boss suddenly starts firing workers who screwed up.
No warning, no second chances, instant bin.

That'd sober me up in an instant. I'd start looking for escape routes. Hence, the famous exodus 2024-2025.

Heck even Marine recently wondered out loud hoping she could make a deal to preserve her channel even if something were to happen. Ominous, to say the least.

>>102744297
>corpo drone cope
he's trying so hard to downplay and deflect and discredit criticism / facts... we're at the next stage of panic mode when people are losing

>>102743178
https://x.com/nekomikuri/status/1949012007359062194

how do vshojofags and nijisisters have the cojone to say this shit right after the company exploded

>>102744219
All the corpos are bad but if you are a talent it might be worth dealing with the bad. Someone at the size of Gura/Saba or Iron Mouse stands to make a lot more money being on their own.

>>102744302
Just uh, don’t violate your contract, man

>>102744302
Can you retards imagine the fucking death sentence that it would have meant for the medium if VShojo succeeded?
Gunrun would have secretly funded an entire department just to spread rrats and destabilize every other corpo and lure indies under their umbrella while also sabotaging their rivals at any possible opportunity.

>>102744339
I'm not even saying Cover is necessarily that bad. I just don't want to hear the bullshit cope anymore when we know that the NDA 100% stops talents from talking about their actual reasons to leave companies.
Fuck these super strict NDA's, they are cancer.

Alex, I know you're the guy Kaho was referring to, I just can't prove it yet.

>>102744354
>Mikuri, you're making it all worse, shut the fuck up
>Oh okay...
Retard.

>>102744438
But, Mikuri said that they have Alex's consent.
>>102743422

>>102744522
I'm saying Mikuri's statement on behalf of Alex is stupid and making it all worse. This needs to all come from Alex as I advised various times anonymously already

>>102738423
Does anyone know if he has a Final Fantasy 14 account?
If you can find it, that's 100% proof that this guy is Omega.

>>102744013
He left a few months before the Nimi twitter was made so she would surely have been in talks with management about leaving before hand and Nimi's announcement went up a few hours after Kaho's post. The more I think about it the more convinced I get.

>>102744417
I think you're overexaggerating how much rrats Vshojo actually did spread. They were taking digs at Holo with shit like Vshojo Next and the talent feedom ads, sure, but when it comes to rrats all that was confirmed is that MTD personally shitposted in /vsj+/, not that they have legions of shills on /vt/ like phase connect has.

>>102741838
Twitch hated anime since justin.tv and yes they had pokemon watchalongs ect but overall it's a leftist place and anime bad

>>102740130
no they dont

>>102744419
>NDA stop talents
It really doesn't many of this vshojo shit doesn't add up, some of them were probably in cahoots with Gunrun.

>>102742868
Him leaving 2 months ago will not save him if serious legal issues arise. Gunrun's farcical "I din't knoes!!!" admission certainly wouldn't save him from anything regarding embezzlement. Better to not say anything at all. How fucking retarded these monkies are. Their lawyers would've told them to stfu but nooooo. Especially the MTD nig. Just stfu and continue to slink out the back door and not draw attention to o yourself but instead he had to pantomime the surprised pikachu face in response to this mess. Lmao moron

>>102740130
>They have potential
And that’s exactly why you’re not the Hololive recruiter.

>>102744703
It absolutely does and you're delusional if you think it isn't after all that's been revealed in this week.

>>102744705
Haven't seen any indication of embezzlement. Tons of things show mismanagement and bad business decisions. Spending money on subway ads might be stupid but unless he runs the tokyo subway and pocketed it himself he didn't embezzle funds.

>>102744775
>Haven't seen any indication of embezzlement
You a lawyer? Show us the financial receipts and statements. You're so certain for some reason to saying this in the court of public opinion, you must be okay with revealing internal information and documents, yeah?

>>102744743
>hololive or nothing
nigger

>>102744302
bro its okay fubuki is still in you can trust hololive!

>>102744756
What I got from this week is that nobody inside vshojo knew how really bad it was because of (?) and the people outside thought things got better so they don't spoke up (?)

>>102744760
In what universe? He always was flip

>>102743422
Why is anyone calling him omega? He obviously isn't. You can still hate him without making him the boogeyman.

>>102744806
yeah we can trust that they arent 2 mill in the red, mtd. go back to making poops at least, thats shit that people want

>>102743287
And Ironmouse loved Vshojo a month ago. Believe corpo drones.

>>102744302
>Imagine having an insanely cushy job with a pushover boss, and you just have to show up one month per year.
>And then 1 day, this kind lovable boss suddenly starts firing workers who screwed up.
>No warning, no second chances, instant bin.

>>102744871
Proof?

So this is one of those threads huh

>>102743486
bruh, the alex guy probably didn't get pay either so he doesn't have money to pay for the meal. have a little sympathy for broke ass nigga ok?

>>102744302
The only other time they did that was Rushia, if it was even remotely similar to that I don't see the issue.

>>102743630
>Aethel really went off against him for being a creepy rapist
Waiting for whatever that was about to drop.
Up until he read the DM aethel was more or less "chill" despite being angry and more or less indirectly affected by this shit (concerning his gf and friends). Then he reads the DM and he gets FURIOUS about this guy. 0 to 100 in 1second. Whatever that shit is it's explosive.

>>102744942
Then get that broke ass nigga to appeal to Kaho to retract her statement because it's incredibly damning and contradicts you guys. The more you guys speak, the more it sounds like you guys are genuinely guilty and Kaho is correct.

>>102742354
it's also very japanese that you can get sued for defamation despite saying the truth

>>102738255
>>102738423
You will not convince me the shitposter is not Omega. Lines up with all the dickriding of him we had for a while out of nowhere.
>>102738709
>>102738775
You forgot poached Niji lawyers and PR because holy shit this HOW IS THIS STILL GETTING WORSE?

>>102744801
Every example people talk about has been VShojo spent money on dumb shit. They hired too many employees wasted money on advertising or they made bad decisions I'm sure actual lawers will look at the books. If they see 1 million should be in the account and it is gone that could be embezzlement but 1 million was payed for rent for office space and they had no income that would just be the kind of stupid shit vshojo seems to have done.

>>102745099
That's actually super american (jewish)

>>102744248
NDA's per se are not necessarily cancer imo. What has been most cancerous in this specific vshojo case has been the Non-Disparagement Clause they've all most probably signed. It was likely worded, as such things are wont to be, as vaguely and broadly as possible meaning that anything a former talent said could be construed as an insult and thus liable for legal action, means that they all stfu and suffer in silence..

>>102745054
we gonna hear more from kaho about this soon enough
if she drag the wrong person surely she'll retract her statement or give update

>>102744302
Mel case was her own fault don't try to change history.

>>102745131
Cooking the books is an art, if you can't hide money that easily then you're bad at it. They're cooking the books right now and making it vague and easy to not have good tracking, watch that be the case if this gets revealed in court - that's their strategy to avoid liabilities.

>>102738551
Afaik no, he's not Omega, but can't say for certain. There's another guy who people believed was Omega who quit earlier, because coincides more closely with Omega vanishing.

>>102745182
we'll see

>>102745113
he's the alleged nyfco guy, nobody's gonna deny this

>>102745254
It's not Omega, but it might be the guy Kaho was talking about.

>>102745233
I saw the same being said about Matara but in the end, we are missing so much of the picture and these companies can portray the situation however they like that it's very cultish to blindly believe their narrative.

>>102744270
Yes. Reminder that the CEO and his admin buddies threw a bday party for hasan, the guy responsible for their adpocalypse and everyone's ad rev sinking into the shit. They protect him at the expense of all other users and let him get away with shit no other users can because they dickride him. The mods and admin simp HARD for the ethots and let them get away with non simulated sex on stream with nothing so much as a slap on the wrist when a vtuber can't even shit their fucking clothed hips without a ban.

When twitch collapses because some ethot cries mental rape or whatever bs then that will be a fun day seeing all the puss and shit explode out of twitch hq as they all fall over themselves to try and toss each other under the bus.

>>102745182
Kaho hasn't said anything besides the original statement, you just have crazy people on the boards ready to go after someone because they are "guy" who works at Vshojo. They have a 1/30 chance of being right but maybe don't go being crazy internet person and wait to find out from people involved and not anons

>>102745329
Rushia was fired because of NDA breach too. We also know the exact reason, spreading doxx to third parties, we also know she did it because the genius did it on camera with a dramafag.

>>102744043
Ok I will defend the pitch makers here. I had to make one for my company and it was embarrassing, I had to embellish and almost lie on so many things because they wanted it to make them look unique and special.

>>102745346
It'll be interesting to see a Twitch Weinstein situation. I'm sure it'll come out in the next few years.

>>102742354
Too much risk to bother. Legally because of nip defamation laws and socially because he'd have mobilized vshitshow dickriders into a frenzy. Probably get connor to renounce and cancel her too.

>>102745368
>wait to find out from people involved and not anons
Oh man, the people involved - aka clipperfag - is doing such a poor job of damage control. Don't sound like an expert when you're making it much worse than it should be.

>>102744775
I don't know if the crime is embezzlement, but the knowing misappropriation of charity funds could very well fuck him and the other monkey up the coit. That's what I was referring to.

>>102745400
Even though I agree that Rushia was rightfully terminated it gave us some insight that the Cover PR team had failed Rushia by releasing a statement that basically confirmed the rumors.
We don't know the anything about Mel's case.

>>102745134
>suing for defamation is super american
The opposite. In the US it is famous very difficult to succeed in a defamation suit.
In Japan it is famously very easy to succeed in a defamation suit.
The two countries are basically the bookends of the developed world on this matter, and every other country is somewhere in between them.

>>102745530
>the Cover PR team had failed Rushia
Nigga, they defended Rushia right up until they found out she had DMed Korekore. Get your facts straight.

>>102743422
>>102743811
>>102744125
>>102744354
Remember when someone was leaking graduation shit under the name NekoMikuri? I'm starting to think it wasn't ironic now...

>>102738423
>>102739255
Alex Kiyoshi Pelz being the first HoloEN project manager would explain a lot. The guy was casually leaking the marital status of vtubers which is unusual for someone that worked in upper management.

>>102743287
>But according to Kiara, Omega left in 2022.
Dimitri Hazuki replaced him as the HoloEN project manager but that doesn't mean that he didn't continue to work at Cover. A Japanese company will usually side with management so Hololive might have demoted Omega to middle management until he jumped ship to VShojo.

>>102743422
The damage control to claim that Alex was innocent might be true. Than again that VShojo slide claims that he was "responsible for the success of Hololive EN gen 1" which actually does sound like Omega.

>>102744942
imagine bragging to an ex pron star that you doxxed some irrelevant nips and not even get paid for it lmao
NO WONDER HE NEEDED HER TO GO HALFSIES ON THE MEAL AHAHAHA FAGGOT

>>102745566
They "defended" her by confirming the rumor she wanted to avoid?

>>102745566
B-b-but corpo bad.

>>102745237
??? They have no money and stopped paying everyone months ago. All the assets they have if they have any will be liquidated and used to try and payback creditors. Cooking the books generally isn't done at this stage but would have maybe made more sense when they were looking for investors.

>>102743037
Sana is probably the easiest and probably the most public. She was clearly more interested in being an artist. Fauna and Gura are probably more related to them not wanting to go to Japan and realizing that the restrictions of management and corporate autism were gone as well them making more money even if they lost a big chunk of viewership by going indie. It's really not that complicated

>>102745602
Rumor my ass retard.

>>102745602
They defended her by saying that every talent has a private life and they wouldn’t interfere with it.

>>102745368
I'm not crazy yet
but kaho vagueposting and nimi lore drop start this fire
which got worse when the pitch deck leaked
and now this clipper saviorfagging for some reason
if all this is just a dud and an innocent guy got burned.. oof..
what a day for that guy

>>102745602
Show proof of them doing that. I bet you're literally brain damaged and do not understand language.

>>102745530
They did the right move, she gave it ot krkr, and that pig will eventually reveal that info regardless because he's like that, which will reflect badly on cover if they stayed mum on their stance regarding off stream relationships

>>102745627
>>102745628
It was just a rumor at that point, yes. And she clearly didn't want to admit to it back then. Cover basically did that for her which is why she went rogue.
Again, not saying that her termination was wrong but the PR statement was not what she wanted.

>>102745668
i can get what you're saying that cover should've co-operated with the talent and let them have input on the pr statement, but what option was there? they cant say that she doesn't have a husband

>>102745613
I mean... you cook the books to hide the money. We don't know the real amount of money they have, everyone is just claiming they got nothing since they're being paid nothing.

>>102745646
They stated something along the lines of what >>102745628
wrote. Obviously that didn't help quell the rumor, if anything it substantiate it which Rushia didn't like at all.

>>102745587
It all makes sense now. He asked to split the bill cause he ain't getting paid full by vshojo (half pay for staff). Plus that guy looks like someone who would dox talent's marital status and brag about his salary.

>>102745721
Show the tweet

>>102743749
Dramafags should kill themselves, now.

>>102745696
Yeah, thank you. I don't know but working more closely with Rushia on the PR statement would've probably prevented her from becoming a rogue element.

>>102745696
>should've cooperated with the person that already caused them and her coworkers damage
yeah no, they can't trust her and they shouldn't

>>102745721
I know what they said. I want you to post it so I can call you a retard.

>>102743811
Who can you trust at this point.

>>102745668
>And she clearly didn't want to admit to it back then.
According to herself in leaked private messages months later she did want to admit it.

>>102739440
>Matara literally the face of their poaching strategy
She's got a lot of explaining to do

>>102745773
She's already fucking rouge, she shouldn't be doing this shit in the first place, she's already leaking shit. This wasn't the first she was given a warning, and that's why they fired her because they discovered she kept on doing it

>>102745780
I didn't save it and I don't care enough to look for it.

>>102745805
That's even more concerning then.

>>102744947
Especially ironic how much they tried to protect the green at first.
Even making a company statement telling unicorns that the Corp do NOT interfere with talents' private lives.
Only to find out Rushia was lying to management and leaking confidential info for the lulz.

I wouldn't be surprised if that betrayal was the reason why they went full corpo afterwards.
Mel is the hapless baka who manage to break the NDA again even after seeing Rushia's clusterfuck.

>>102744394
>>102745233
Thats what I'm saying.
They had one (super cushy) job and they still managed to fuck it up.
The fact so many started leaving after Mel's departure does not reflect well on the talents.

>>102743535
Most of VShojo's top leadership are complicit I think. But the buck stops with Gunrun, and his obsession against Niji and Holo.

>>102745774
iirc the statement was pre korekore, mostly just 2chan rrats, so she shouldn't have spilt the details to dramafags yet. or maybe she has looselips both top and bottom AYYYYYYYYYY and went to korekore as soon as the stream ended

>>102745634
>if all this is just a dud and an innocent guy got burned.. oof..

No reason to do or yell at people right now. None of the people involved are going anywhere and I don't think Vshojo is going to look good on a CV anytime. Let these things playout you can have plenty of time to be just as mad and upset tomorrow or a few days from now when the people involved are able to actually say if someone is involved or not.

>>102745407
Doxxing their employees sure makes it unique, lol

Kiara literally said Omega was Enma. Do none of you watch streams?

>>102745829
How would you even spin Rushia's gaffe to categorically deny everything without getting caught out for lying on her behalf afterwards and utterly destroying whatever trust the other talents' fanbases could have had in your company?

>>102745829
whoops i saved this image just to use in these times

>>102745826
>That's even more concerning then.
How? She was the one denying it at first and kept denying any allegations of any kind of relationship with ANYONE for years.

>>102743535
The antagonist are the poachers, spies, MTD and GunRun

>>102744881
I heard rrats this guy got fired because of recreational drug use or something stupid.

>>102745805
I also remember this

>>102745928
preaching to the choir man, realistically they say 'we don't care' or say nothing at all

>>102745329
She admitted that she talked about something she shouldn't have with a "friend" she trusted.

>>102744756
If vshojo has no money then they can't possible sue with the negative millions they have. Not only that but it would be in CA so tough fucking luck lmao

>>102745829
>iirc the statement was pre korekore
What statement? They never made any general statement like that and only made one about rushia specifically after a few days which was one of the major causes of chimpouts for the rushia defenders.

>>102745955
Because that would mean Cover prevented her to admit it which would have locked her into that statement unless she wanted to tank her reputation by coming out as a liar.

>>102745715
When you hide money you don't want people looking at your books. Declaring bankruptcy is generally the last thing you want to do if you are cooking the books example see Enron.

If they are cooking the books a reason would be to fool investors telling them how much the company is making, but it seems like they couldn't get any investors.

>>102745795
Kaho. She has no reason to make shit up, and this guy needs other randoms to defend him instead of rebuking shit directly. Always a sus move.

>>102746072
vshojo has money but if someone buys their debt they could go after someone for breaking NDA.

>>102746081
Maybe Cover did Rushia more dirty than I initially thought.

>>102746081
How did Cover prevent her from admitting that she's in a relationship with other people not named mafumafu? She kept playing the unicorn game for the following year while her schizo fans stalked her accounts that showed she was interacting with men. She denied all of it so she obviously didn't actually want to go admit the mafumafu thing either.

>>102746189
>>102745805

>>102745668
>>102745721
She wanted it to go public, you retarded gajin.

The understanding in Japan was she engineered the whole incident for his message to show up during stream.
That's how she wanted to trap him and force him to go public about their relationship.

She was tired of being a secret wife, she wanted to make it official. He did not. He still wants his gachis sending free money.
That's why she went full menhera when he denied everything.

>>102745955
She recorded the infamous message calling him heartless to still deny everything.

>>102741283
That'd actually explain Magni and Vesper too. He went after the two retards that hated management and if he did offer them a contract "better" than their Holo ones, it's no wonder those retards shat on the doorstep on their way out. They probably thought they were pulling one over on the company they disliked while Gunrun just cackled that he just set a competitors whole branch back to square 1.

>>102746247
That's my post. Her saying she wanted to admit it doesn't mean she actually did. Do you also believe that Shion fucked mafumafu? Because that's that rushia said in those same leaked messages.

>>102746269
Now this is just tinfoil hat narrative

>>102746272
notMagni and notVesper in their first collab after graduation:
>They fucked us!

>>102746269
Meanwhile mafumafu claimed that he was the one who wanted to come clean but Rushia and Cover wanted to hide it.

>>102746081
They couldn't prevent her from admitting she was in a relationship on her mikeneko account.
In fact, she only came out with that story after mafumafu spilled the beans.
Are we rewriting history now?

>>102745884
>Kiara literally said Omega was Enma.
Kiara never said that and no one can ever give a time stamp when asked for that. Also Kiara is still taking stabbing his corpse years later and that feels like anger towards someone in upper management.

>>102746269
>She recorded the infamous message calling him heartless to still deny everything.
What fucking message? She didn't say anything like that.

>>102746306
So what prevented her from it besides the reputational damage it would cause to Cover?

>>102746081
>Cover prevented her to admit it
That's good
>Locked her in that statement
Which is we don't care about what they do in their private life also good.

>>102746081
>Because that would mean Cover prevented her to admit it
What? Basically all they said on the matter was that they can't confirm or deny if she is in relationship and they wouldn't fire her even if she was in one. The only thing they don't allow is talking about their relationship status in character, talents can talk about their relationships on their rm accounts and plenty have.

>>102746332
First result you diabetic paraplegic wheelchair bound spoonfeeding dependent malaysian.
https://youtu.be/S_Ki3C-Weig?t=50

>>102746351
>Rushia terminated 2022
>mafumafu reveals that he was married with her in 2024
>she had 2 years to reveal this information as indie with no tie to Cover
Explain this.

>>102746351
Her ongoing unicorn grift. Do you really think she actually wanted to give that up? Again, her first public action after the rumors started was to deny it. That was the action she took without having talked to anyone.

damn we talked about holo for some reason

>>102746144
If they have money the talents should and more than likely will sue for it back before they can start doing lengthy legal challenges over NDAs, especially for things that are categorically not trade secrets.

>>102746421
You should make your mind up.
Did she want to admit to it or not? Because I too thought she wanted to deny it.

>>102746441
It's tangently related due to the Kaho Allegations and NDAs. Waiting to see if Alex is innocent

>>102746341
>he doesn't even know about Rushia's retarded message

>>102746390
This thread is clearly being targeted by tourists & shills. It's almost amusing seeing them try to deflect for VSJ's dumpster fire

>>102746472
Well she didn't end up admitting it or any other relationship or male related thing for years, but she said she did. Clearly actions speak louder than words in a private chat.

>>102738182 (OP)
this shit was embezzled and the top streamers were in on it too

>>102746532
Post the message. Your reply will be
>i won't because then you would know

>>102746560
Well if she said it in private that may mean that Cover somehow interfered with that. That brings us back to NDA's and how cancer they are.

>>102746593
Are you claiming that Cover forced her to pander to unicorns after getting terminated?

>>102746441
Liggers need every thread to be a holoseethe thread or they'll have an aneurysm. The funny thing is if they actually spent as much time talking about how much they like their oshis instead of how much they hate hololive maybe they wouldn't be perma 3 views.

>>102746593
Interfered with what?
They can say they are married and they do on their rm. Why Rushia didn't?

>>102746619
I'm not claiming anything. But if it's true that she wanted to admit it but didn't then it means that there's likely a reason outside of her control, which is most likely an NDA.

>>102746619
Vshojo tranny going insane the jap corpo had better practices than the american one.

>>102746651
Why did you ignore the entire other part that she also didn't admit?

>>102746461
No that isn't how it works. The company would go bankrupt and at that point you have all the people that the company owes money. So someone such as a bank might sell that debt to a debt collector who feels like they can make some money. They as the collector could go after someone for breaking a NDA in hopes of making money on that debt. They are acting as a wronged party so they can't be sued to collect money from. I have no idea if any of that will happens just that the NDA doesn't disappear from bankruptcy it just becomes part of the assets the same as office furniture an asset to possibly be used to make or recoup money.

>>102738423
lmao

>>102746593
I seriously doubt there is any NDA on earth that would be able to prevent someone announcing they have a husband who isn't even related to the company they have the nda with

>>102746663
Like I said, she may have felt locked into that answer because she didn't want to appear as a liar and the money was probably also still enticing.

>>102746702
Cover ninjas NDAs, nippon steel NDAs forged in the mount fuji.

>>102746702
Well if she wanted to admit to it while in Cover and couldn't because the company didn't allow it that would hurt her reputation regardless.

>>102746714
Locked into what answer? She didn't have to lie when asked if she was playing games with another male friend several months after being fired.

>>102746714
But cover never even said if she had a husband or not so she was never locked into an answer, especially after she was terminated.

>>102746665
If they owe the debt they owe the company and they owe them paychecks most likely.

>>102746775
She could stupid fucking retard.
Nayuta

>>102746777
You said she wanted to admit to it. Not me. Give me an explanation why she couldn't besides damage to Cover.

>>102746631
The supposed anti-corpo shining beacon was just revealed to be a ponzi scheme.

I can sympathize with their melty but it sure is entertaining to watch.

>inb4 another dozen b-b-but whatabout Hololive posts

>>102746809
>>102746800

>>102740949
What does she have to do with anything?

gunrun gotta be dumb as rocks. he out here paying shitskins to shitpost and argue when we got niggas here doing it for the love of the game and vtubers. vshojo aint got no money and we still discussin if cover was right on the rushia situation

>>102746809
It was already explained to you several times but you won't read or you just pretend to not see because you can only say "cover bad"

>>102746775
Dumbass other talents have said they are married on rm accounts. Why would they let active talents admit they are married but not terminated ones. That makes no sense.

>>102746800
Who?

>>102745668
It's her fault for being dumb bitch with poor opsec, she can simply use different account for her secret husband, why would the company risk their reputation to protect one dumb menhera lie.

>>102746866
Except I didn't say that. You brought this shit up about her wanting to admit to it. You also still didn't give any other reasonable explanation for what would prevent her from admitting to it.
I did say that she wanted to deny it, which would make sense in how she acted.

>>102746889
We are done

>>102740949
this anti schizo spams in her chat for months with different accounts, it has nothing to do with current events

>>102746981
You did say that.

>>102746871
The difference is that their husband didn't write to them on stream.

>>102746792
The company goes under which creates debt this is owed to various parties. At that point places like banks are owed money which is "debt" they sell the "debt" to a collection agency. This debt is all the assets of the company. In order to collect on that debt they see people who broke the NDA and think if I sue I can make lots of money this is likely why all the people who have lawyers are saying do not break the NDA while those without are just talking online.

The employees who worked at the company are not able to sue the bank or the collection agency they as far as the law is concerned as wronged as any of the employees because they also lost money when the company went under.

>>102746861
why do you keep repeating this rrat when it was corrected like 5 times in this same thread. It's the upper management who were shitposting against their own ex talents. they didn't pay anyone.

>>102747026
No, I didn't and once again you dodge the question that you brought up in the first place.

>>102747108
Yes you did. Literally all of your replies have been you going on "ok this is how it's Cover's fault".

>>102747106
because my reality is funnier and the corpo is dead so its a victimless crime

>>102747106
You sound upset and filipino. Hope you find a new job soon buddy.

>>102747137
Literally the first thing I did to start this discussion is to say that Rushia deserved her termination, retard.

>>102747044
Why would that change the equation at all? Why would cover care if an extalent is married? Clearly it is allowed to be talked about since nimi just announced she is due to be married.

>>102746593
This retard must be unpaid shill trying to derail the thread, fuck off with your "I just hate NDA I'm supporting the talent" bs and kys

>>102747188
Because she couldn't admit to it as Rushia, duh?
Fauna or the other talents also couldn't admit to it.

>>102747179
And you've been blaming Cover for every single step leading to it. Why is that?

>>102746714
Retard, just admit you don't know the difference between NDA and gag order. Rushia was a massive dumbfuck menhera who spiraled from her own lies unraveling around her and got fired for MULTIPLE NDA violations, which included doxxing other talents prior to the whole relationship thing.

>>102747263
The only thing I said is that Cover's PR statement threw Rushia under the bus which is why she went rogue. And I did that to merely to point out that everything has multiple factors, most of which will be overlooked for a simplistic answer and even more are hidden behind NDA's.

>>102739993
he posted something kek

>>102747402
it's all in moon language though

>>102747243
She can use her rm account to do that, like every single other holo that is married and still in holo.

>>102747373
>The only thing I said is that Cover's PR statement threw Rushia under the bus which is why she went rogue.
If you were going to say something this retarded you should have said so first.
The first korekore stream was HOURS after the leak, days before any PR statement
How does it feel being a complete retard?

>>102747243
So? She was never locked into a lie by covers pr because they never said if she was married or not and not by NDA because plenty of talents have admitted to it on rm or after they left. So that leaves that she never admitted that she was married until way later because that is what she wanted. Cover doesn't force talents to lie and say they aren't married just to not say anything at all about relationships on main.

>>102747402
Damn he's even addressing Omega's existence.

>>102747373
>The only thing I said is that Cover's PR statement threw Rushia under the bus which is why she went rogue
How? They never said if she was married or not.

>>102739652
Who will think of those poor filipinos kek

>>102739440
>>102739620
To be fair did they break any laws tricking other talents into quitting?

alex's statement in regards to vshojo and the pitch deck, claims he is not omega.

translation:
https://x.com/uwunetes/status/1949048749868609656

>>102747598
>he was the omegakiller
Apologize.

>>102747445
>>102747493
>>102747557
I already stated multiple times that I thought she wanted to keep it hidden herself. I just entertained what >>102745805
posted and said that it would be more concerning if she was stopped from revealing that info. You are getting sidetracked by a what if presented from somebody else that I didn't even introduce.

>>102747457
Yeah and then she continued to leak more info because she wasn't happy with the PR response. Once again, Rushia did deserve her termination but it doesn't change the fact that their PR team released a statement that she wasn't happy with.

>>102747598
Anyone not stupid already could see he wasn't Omega but this does nothing to change that he's the prime suspect for being the guy Kaho called out.

>>102747457
see
>>102747233

>>102747598
So VShojo even lied about his role when he didn't have much to do with Myth kek

How does one company manage to be this much of fuckup

>>102747755
>I want to release it (discord message)
>Hurr durr she wasn't happy with the response but also wanted to say she was married but also she never did
Interesting

>>102747755
>then she continued to leak more info
Ok when did she do that? Show her talking to korekore between the PR statement and termination statement. You won't because it literally didn't happen.

>>102747598
>>102747737
If that pitch deck was really from vshojo then why the fuck would they lie about a role of their worker.
Seriously what the fuck is with vshojo. They're dragging everyone down. Also based for killing omega

>>102747798
Just drop it for today Kaho will either say something soon or won't

>>102739494
cope

>>102747842
I thought she was leaking info again after the PR statement.
Pretty sure I saw discussion about this topic back then that she should have just shut up after they posted it.

>>102747755
You keep saying that cover's pr threw her under the bus but how? They never locked her into a answer one way or the other regarding her marriage so once she was out she was free to say whatever she wanted about her relationship.

>>102747844
>why would [silicon valley startup] lie for their benefit on their [pitch to investor capital]
its a mystery to everyone

>>102747844
>Seriously what the fuck is with vshojo
Considering their team of superstars is an ex-Twitch employee, Youtube meme man and camgirl pimp...

>>102747980
She wasn't happy with it so it was a failed PR statement.

>>102748019
You could just say a flip and a jew

>>102738313
wtf is this? their IRL pics?

which males are confirmed that they tried to poach?

>>102748076
Yes, they hired dogs to be vtubers

>>102747979
>Pretty sure I saw discussion about this topic back then that she should have just shut up after they posted it.
Yeah, that she should have shut up from the VERY START. It was never about muh PR statement. You're just some tourist that didn't actually witness these events unfold.

>>102748024
What? They said all that they could without lying. Whether a mentally ill girl likes it or not should not be the basis of the quality of a pr statement. If she wanted them to lie for her would that have been the right thing to do? No way, then they would have had their credibility destroyed too.

>>102748109
clearly its fwmc

>>102746272
U-san was also approached by VShojo and mentioned that they asked them for ridiculous terms, like getting them signed to a major label and being okay with them barely streaming. Somehow, VShojo said yes to that. Would not be surprised if Magni and Vesper were "offered" whatever they asked for in order to lure them away.

>>102747980
>You keep saying that cover's pr threw her under the bus but how?
I only hear this secondhand, but as I recall the basic timeline is as follows
>rushia yabs
>holo managers release a PR statement on friday and go home for the weekend
>rushia attempts to contact them but is stonewalled because theyre not on billable hours
>rushia panics and pulls what we call a gamer move, and goes to dramafags for PR advice

>>102747598
>>102747737
>I removed Omega
>Hired in 2021
Liar

>>102748024
NTA but you are a fucking idiot lmaooo. Just shut the fuck up. Whole thing was her fault from start to finish. Why the fuck would you have your IRL husband on your work account, the one you are supposedly trying to keep secret? Answer: You are a fucking idiot. Rushia was and is still a fucking idiot, so any decisions made by her were fucking idiotic. The end.

>>102741731
MTD... is it you

>>102747598
>>102747638
What I would give to be a fly on the wall when they finally dealt with omega

>>102739616
thanks google

>>102747851
it would funny if Kaho retract her statement
but I dont think she'll say anything
seems like we're in defamation territory

>>102748170
Been watching the entire argument with amusement, wondering if you would say something smart at any point and then I read SECONDHAND? Get the fuck out, fucking tourist. I had low expectations, and you disappointed me greatly.

>>102748296
you can watch a close enough video called funkytown