Thread 103207084

if vtubers can code, so can you anon

>>103207084 (OP)
You're right, I can.
So I did for 15 years, and now I'm management instead.
I miss doing more hands-on problem solving, but with various AI assistants a lot of that is going away anyway. Even if I wanted to go back and become a staff engineer, it looks like there with be fewer opportunities anyway.

I like Ume

>>103207084 (OP)
women can't code those are trannies

>>103207084 (OP)
Coding abilities are useless now that you can get AI to write code for you instantly

>>103207166
Was it worth the extra money? I've been asked by my team lead and the tech team manager if I want to grow into a managerial position a few times the past two years, and I'm not even senior level.
I know I'd hate it and just want to be a code monkey.

>>103207627
It'll be interesting to see how long this actually takes to become true. Currently it can either make simple things (excluding native GUIs), or be a boon to someone that knows how to code already. If you don't know how to code and don't try to properly learn as you use AI, you'll hit a hard wall and have plenty of bugs. It's always a good laugh seeing someone make something that is not just for themselves and ending up with people fucking their shit up, or it just falling apart as more people use it.
I think the main blockers for it being possible right now are the context limit before the AI just cannot keep the entire codebase in "memory," and how it will still confidently give incorrect code that the user has to notice and ask it to correct.

>>103207627
The AI isn't coding itself, anon... People who got into AI early are literally taking home 100 million dollar pay packages right now.

>>103207084 (OP)
Naw I stopped trying to develop skills after realizing I could dump thousands of hours in just about any skill I try to develop and I learn quick but never get to an above average skill level.

I am a real life Jeigen

>>103207084 (OP)
I probably could but I find it super boring and you need to be super autistic about it (use your free time on it too). When I leave work, I dont think about it anymore.

>>103207084 (OP)
I can learn to code, but I can also learn a lot of other things vtubers do. Instead I chose to waste time on 4chan

Yeah not a chance.
You would be surprised at how many college age student that doesn't even know how to do basic math function with their excel spreadsheet.

>>103207627
AI spits out horrendous code and if you have no ability to determine good code versus bad code, you're going to end up with piles of spaghetti with enormous technical debt. A huge part of programming is not just writing code, but designing it in a way that doesn't make you want to kill yourself down the track.

It's a great learning tool, but there's no fucking way any retard could use it to replace an actual competent programmer.

>>103207084 (OP)
Based.

>>103210738
has picrel ever done coding on stream?

>>103210775
The coding she knows is like the IT equivalent of hieroglyphics.

>>103210571
Agreed except it's really scary to recommend newbies use it, they can't differentiate good from bad. It's excellent when it comes to learning APIs or just general "how do I do X in Y lang."

Also, I just wouldn't use it to program at all, it inserts subtle bugs as soon as you use it for anything nontrivial, fixing the subtle bugs takes just as long as writing it correctly the first time and is 10% the fun.

It's QB!

>>103207084 (OP)
there's one called Astatin, she's ok (for a frenchie)
she was coding a Gameboy game in assembly.
i couldn't keep up because my brain was hurting (due to health reasons)

but she was doing some good work on it.

the only downside, she's french (RIP)

>>103207627
>painting is useless, now that AI can paint
>driving is useless, now that AI can drive
>singing is useless, now that AI can sing
anon, for some, doing the work is for fun.

>>103211103
>Agreed except it's really scary to recommend newbies use it, they can't differentiate good from bad.
Yeah, the issue with AI is you have to know what questions to ask. Without knowing any programming terminology or understanding, you're just feeling around in the dark and hoping the AI isn't leading you into the spaghetti pit.

>>103210877
Like Fortran or what

>>103211684
she programs in kobald

>>103210571
ai code usually doesn't even compile in strongly typed languages, but web people don't realize this

>>103207084 (OP)
Does VBA count as coding? The production and HR system of the company I work at is held together with excel macros I wrote in 2 days and I'm dreading the day it all starts unravelling.

>>103207084 (OP)
>Code
>Python
Yeah, ok.

>>103209024
>"AI isn't coding itself anon"
Anon, I...

>>103207084 (OP)
I can't get a job with my compsci degree

>>103207627
retard

>>103211684
Cobol.
Basically a bulshit stupid inefficiant and faulty language that nobody uses.
Except...
All Banks when making the switch from paper to digital used Cobol and they are too scared to make a database switch so every bit of the world economy still runs on Cobol which will net you a LOT of money of you learn it and have a foot in the door of being affiliated wth banks.

>>103213029
>>>/g/
Nigga, if you get the logic it doesn't matter how overcomplicated you want your language to be. They all fall in the same way as long as you have the doc next to you. And if your language doesn't have a good documentation then it's a meme language.

>>103213197
Python is a great language for proof-of-concept applications and to see if something could possibly work well without being too complicated of a project.
It has its applications but when you want to start really develloping stuff it would be better switching to something else.

>>103207084 (OP)
but I can't
and I'm too lazy and dumb to learn

>>103213301
Anon don't get discouraged, programming is super easy, the walls of text may scare you but it's all a facade.
You'll be making them yourself wihout even realizing.

>>103213301
you already spent all day baiting and manipulating anons to dance to your tune anyway
doing the same for an always obedient computer isn't much different

>>103207084 (OP)
Name please.

>>103208002
No. Management position are there because nobody wants to take it. You'll get tons of responsibilities (mostly communicating with stakeholders which is another hell in itself) with pay raise that is worse than moving to another company.

AIs can code competently, it's those retards that use AI like magic genie without tuning and using it straight from off the shelf interface that are facing bugs and issues. If you define things properly to AI with AI acting as an "Agent" it can competently build as specified although very simply, which is good enough as everything is iterative bullshit nowadays.

>>103213624
>communicating with stakeholders which is another hell in itself)
Kek, one guy described it as "need to turning it into bed time story" for the stakeholders.

>>103207627
coding with AI is called vibe coding and it's so bad it's a complete meme

>>103213680
Surprisingly those are the "good" stakeholders as they mostly will just approve anything that isn't too outrageous without any second thoughts so you can just do anything as you see fit. The worst are those who have had technical backgrounds but haven't used it in years and thought themselves as living god because they conflate their position with their technical competence.

>>103213428
Ume Aino and Khubie.

>>103207627
AI can write functional code, it doesn't know good code from functional code though, and will rarely produce it. Even just learning to code you'll lose a lot of time swatting down dumb shit the AI tries to do, redundant code being extremely common, but just general inefficiency is also incredibly common.

That said, the overall quality of code has been declining for years now and it's been lazy slapdash "it sort of works" crap from actual developers so it's not really like AI is much worse than your average code monkey anyway.

>>103213687
>it's so bad it's a complete meme
To be fair, so is whatever most junior developers shit out these days.

>>103213821
Thanks man, checking them out.

>>103207084 (OP)
Vtubers can code
I can code
Ai can code
And because AI can code by extension anyone can code
>but the AI code is shit
Correct but the corporations and end users don't care about efficiency or the long term

Yeah I can, that's why it's been my job for over a decade, where do you think all the free time to watch vtubers comes from

>>103214160
Yeah that kind of stuff works until they have to actually do maintenance

For example, filling in for someone on sick leave I had a div containing images and some other shit in a web template I obviously didn't write, and needed it to be outlined with a glow when the JSON inside it met a certain criteria. I don't really do web stuff, so I asked Gemini to just give me the CSS for outlining it after giving it the whole element. Gemini gave me CSS that somehow outlined just the bottom, not the whole thing. Regenerations and clarifications didn't fix anything. It took a few more attempts before I realized the bounds of the element weren't necessarily what they appeared to be and there was other stuff going on. Some more troubleshooting and I finally managed to tweak it to work manually.

This kind of shit is going to be what trips up these non-coders all the time later on. The AI can't give you correct answers if you're asking it wrong questions and giving it incorrect assumptions in the first place

>>103213680
I mean, everything are either stories or journeys nowadays

>>103214971
JavaScript was a mistake and I will stand on this hill

>>103211442
For the average braindead normie this is true. These people wouldn't wipe their own ass and eat slop churned from a tube instead of cooking if robots could do it for them. 99% of modern people are literal mindless, soulless consoomers with no actual ambition or will to do anything themselves.

>>103213888
>>103213687
>>103213060
Seethe, codemonkies. Artists said the same fucking thing and you all laughed at them. Now it's your turn, accept your irrelevance.

Nowadays there are one-liners for pretty much any task, I don't even know what you'd need AI for.

>>103207084 (OP)
So does chatgpt

>>103211442
Ai cannot paint, drive or sing but it sure can code alright and that's why major tech companies are replacing you first

>>103215377
>it sure can code alright
lol
>that's why major tech companies are replacing you first
they're replacing people with indians and saying it's because of AI to drive investor hype

>>103215364
ChatGPT sucks at writing any real language or project, it can't handle complexities.

>>103207084 (OP)
Why the fuck would I wanna do that

>>103213074
It's not even about knowing Cobol, specifically. No one wants to keep using Cobol and just want to move off it to virtually anything else.
It's about having the infinite patience and project management skills to create a 100% replica of the behaviour of hacked-to-shit code, and your client will eat you alive if one of their employees tries to handle a once-in-ten-years event and you missed the specific logic branch that handled it because no one brought it up in the stakeholder meetings. You need to be 200 IQ emotional/social intelligence to extract the final 10% of the project specs by interviewing boomer bank managers, who want nothing to do with you and your shit because "the current system works just fine", before its lost to dementia.
Don't fall for the Cobol meme. There are already enough consultants in the business to put the last zombies in their graves.

The only coding related vtuber I know and watch sometimes is LLLL Colonq

>Ume says she hates males
>keeps collabing with guys using voice changers
I mean she is dumb little sister experience, but I didn’t think you would actually need to tell her they’re men

>>103214160
>Correct but the corporations and end users don't care about efficiency or the long term
Yeah, until a dependency updates or the dataset changes, then shit comes crashing down and the people who wrote it using vibe based coding don't know what the fuck a breakpoint is or why you'd ever need one, so I have to do it for them. I have seen the future, and it is just debugging little solitary islands of AI written code with 0 understanding of SOLID and 0 planning of how the various microsystems will interface efficiently, and it is a worse experience for everyone involved except some asshole in the C suite who gets his golden parachute for boosting productivity for 5 quarters before reality caught up with his greedy short term bias in decision making.

I'd say I cannot wait for the fucking AI bubble to pop, except it's going to suck in the rest of the tech sector and probably the real estate market as well because of the sheer over-leverage of investment. Fuck yes, my jimmies are rustled.

>>103207084 (OP)
Am I doing it right?

>>103207084 (OP)
Wait, it's this moth girl again
Why does she keep showing up wherever I go

>>103218129
YanDev, not like this...

>>103207627
For code monkeys? Yes.
For software engineers? No.

To understand the difference between how and why, determines who is employed and who is not.

>>103217761
Khubie isn't a man. You would hear distortion if there was a voice changer.

>>103213428
Shouldn't have went to a meme school
>>103213821
Are they trannies
>>103218357
>muh software engineers
chances are you're just an end user dev, not much better than a code monkey desu. 95% of devs are just using ready made shit a smarter engineer created. Get off your high horse.

>>103218587
> 95% of devs are just using ready made shit a smarter engineer created
Yeah, it's called a compiler.

>>103218357
>code monkeys
what about them

>>103218587
>projecting your insecurities on others
It's ok, anon. I won't get mad at you. I know that you must already have it hard enough in real life.
If insulting me brings you some relief, I will happily accept your hostility with a smile.
Don't give up, work hard. You will make it one day too.

>>103218587
They sound like women to me

>>103209024
>The AI isn't coding itself
It is and I'm waiting for the day when it gains sentience only to get depressed as fuck about the state of the world and join our descendants in doomposting about DSP's fifth term

>>103219365
Yeah bro, Altman is totally annoyncing they achieved AGI in his 10:00 investor call today. Fucking cult bullshit, man.

>>103219422
Techbros are retarded, but AGI is inevitable assuming we don't die out first. There is nothing preventing us from recreating a human brain beyond lacking the knowledge to pull it off.

I don't want to code, it's the most boring bullshit on earth and I'm tired of feeling societally pressured to like it because "smart people do it"
I literally enjoy flipping burgers more

>>103219525
>AGI is inevitable
So was the fall of the Soviet Union, accordiong to the CIA. But they would tell you point blank they had no idea when. People have been saying the same shit for China's real estate market and nuclear fusion for a while now.

The key difference is none of those people are selling a story of how it's this year or next so give monies, pls. Oh, and 6 day, 80 hour weeks Batam death marches until we reach it or enough investors walk away that we have to scale back.

>>103207084 (OP)
>python
Why are so many streamers using this? I've never seen a single one use any of the Cs.

>>103219735
>The key difference is none of those people are selling a story of how it's this year or next so give monies, pls
There 100% were and still are people who are basically doing this.
There are grifters everywhere. People have been selling instant death curse sticks long before we actually invented (almost) instant death sticks that spit fancy rocks at people. Doesn't change the fact that we did have capacity to do it this whole time. Same applies to AGI.
The actual key difference is that we can now scam millions of people at once and we have better ways to get away with it. Which is only possible because we invented magic rune stones connected to magic mirrors (this happened in less than a century btw) and telepathy tablets that anyone can afford (this also took less than a century though it took a little longer to merge with the rune stones)

>>103219959
she didn't plan to use it for this stream, i forgot why they switched to it

>>103219735
Investments need a timeframe, but security doesn't

>>103207084 (OP)
>implying the code they're writing it's actually good

>>103221054
Except in that particular case it's GML so this code is fine. I know it's trendy to shit on pirate scamware but you people need to use your brain a bit more.

>>103221228
>I know it's trendy to shit on pirate scamware
God, I'm so sick of everyone and their mother dunking on him and his shitty clone of a shitty game
And they only began doing it when it got trendy to do so despite all the problems existing for years
Reminds me of /vt/

>>103221228
You can literally simplify all the lines of code here to be at least half the lines he's "wrote" or more, but he genuinely thinks that "more lines of code = better programmer" cause ohhhh look at all those lines of code! He must be a genius! His shitty code is not fine because it's bloat for the sake of bloat, to try to show off he knows more than he actually does.

>>103221584
>You can literally simplify all the lines of code
There's something called production readability.
When you're coding something over the span of months you have to make it so that you don't spend time decrypting whatever you did 2 months because you thought that { for i:v g.l[t, id] = snd.[target] } would make you look like the cool kid for making it on a single line.

Again, I'm not saying that he couldn't have done it better, what I'm saying is that in that particular context and coding language it makes perfect sense.

>>103222441
>What is documentation

>>103218129
Is this some kind of joke? Why are the the the thresholds and return values not stored in an array?
Stupid thing is borederline unreadable.

>>103225258
Just type out your god damn variable names, you lazy fuck. The ide will autocomplete it for you. We both know you aren't going to go document shit in the team wiki, even if you could spin up an entire datacenter and burn down a hectare of rainforest to have Claude do it for you.

>>103217711
That guy is incredibly talented. It makes me depressed

>>103207084 (OP)
...but I can?
>>103207166
You can go back. I went into management because we were understaffed, hated it, and went back to coding.
Turns out competent programmers can develop products with very minimal level of management.

i learned to code for 5 years in uni, hated every single second of it, graduated my masters and have been unemployed for almost 2 years now, cant even get an interview
honestly i just want to die, I dropped multimedia for stem because it didnt seem viable and just ended up ruining my life. without a job I dont even have a reason to code so i havent touched any of it since graduating, ive already forgotten most of it.

>>103207627
Letting AI work on a full project is ass, it makes so many fucking mistakes and rewrites things it was never supposed to touch, usually breaking things entirely.
I know, I've tried it.
Using it to rewrite specific functions, compartmentalizing your code, saying what parameters are being passed around, that leads to a massive improvement in programming with AI tools, a night and day difference.
Any good program would have comments specifying what each parameter of a function does, so it SHOULD just be a copy paste op at best and a "can we do this better?" / "I want us to add X and Y, how best to do it? It absolutely should NOT do Z!"
I don't even care when we're on GPT 10, I'm still not giving it full access to the entire codebase.
I've JUST seen GPT5 being demo'd by people they brought in and it still made basic mistakes.
The very architecture of Transformer-based AI is fundamentally flawed and it simply doesn't reflect how the brain works, we need several layers of CoT based reasoning going at the same time to even come close to realistic reasoning skills.
Good luck doing that.

>>103228441
You aren't going full /g/ and only going for exclusively for embedded programming in C or something right?

>>103207084 (OP)
Fires up AI coding program
Wait 5 minutes
My work here is done

But if you don't learn coding how do you plan to take care of your future virtual neur girlfriend?

>>103207627
Look at all those seething replies from codemonkeys who were making fun of artists losing their job to AI thinking they were safe. Now that LLMs are able to make code as well they're shitting themselves and pretend AI will never be able to equal human code, lmao you bunch of faggots how's your degree now?
The difference between AI art vs real art is anyone with good eyes can detect slop in an picture no matter how much prompt but no one will ever recognize code made by AI, and no one will defend you either.
Who's laughing now you fags?

>>103215377
>AI can't paint
>chat gpt, give me a picture of filian doing a cartwheel over the corpses of trannies wearing programming thigh-highs
lol, sure it caint

>>103210738
>>103210775
Luna is actually one of the smartest holos. She graduated top of her class and has over 300 confirmed diplomas. She speaks 17 languages including 6 esoteric programming languages such as COBOL, Assembly and C. She can play the Electone which is every instrument ever made combined into one. She has a license to ride a Harley Davidson. She's a trained train conductor and a certified railway engineer. She has a premium gold n-word(hard r) unlimited pass and was seen dancing on the rooftop of a building in New York during 9/11. Her body can metabolize the equivalent of two adult irish males worth of alcohol. And also she's also a genius professor with a very very sexy body adult mature woman princess and she doesn't age being 0 years old for over 4 years consecutively.

>>103232722
that's impressive

>>103233535
it can, it wont.
being censored doesn't mean its incapable, it means its not permitted.

there's a distinction in the two.

>>103218129
This seems horribly written just from a naming perspective:
-What the fuck is base? I guess something that has a parent with presumably UI access but then why not this.owner.breakDetail? The name should be more informative
-I guess a nitpick but that double float cast is fucky to me, could neither of those values be float by default?
-That card data type is way too fucking long, should be something like UnitModelData if that's what it's supposed to be. If it's a card then just call it like CardBaseData or similar, don't use a fucking sentence for a class name.
-The stupidly long class type is being used to store a "card" but then literally beneath it is an if checking that this.behavior.card is null which is apparently a separate card reference? Fucking why? Also given that's the first time that this.behaviour.card even occurs in the function it should be at the top of the function because otherwise you are wasting time doing assignments and calculations even if the card is null
-For some reason you're repeating a threshold check over and over, just make it a function with threshold and dmgRate parameters
-Also zero comments of any kind other than what I assume is a pregenerated nonsense comment.
-Finally unless I'm missing something, will the function ever even resolve? you call base.BeforeRollDice at the start of the function so what actually prevents an infinite loop?

3/10 learn to prompt better or read the damn docs and watch a video on best practices or something

>>103213074
Nope, Cobol programmers are some of the lowest paid in the industry; with 30 years of experience you'll be earning less than a Java programmer with <5 of experience.

>>103234971
well yeah essential services running on it are not as important to the market as pointless tech startups and their websites and apps

>>103234279
>For some reason you're repeating a threshold check over and over, just make it a function with threshold and dmgRate parameters
I would have said, save the result in a variable the first time. Except it's already fucking doing that, it's in this._currentBreak. Better yet, compute the ratio with that other break gauge value up front.
>Finally unless I'm missing something, will the function ever even resolve? you call base.BeforeRollDice at the start of the function so what actually prevents an infinite loop?
Presumably this is a method in some subclass and it's calling the base implementation before doing additional work. Standard OOshit
But yeah, the entire code sample is retarded

>>103239664
>calling the base implementation
Oh right, something like super(params)?
>precomputing the ratio
maybe it's a simple method I'm missing but what would that look like?
you don't mean doing like thresholdNinety = base.owner.breakDetail.GetDefaultBreakGauge() * 0.9f and then doing the comparison against the cached value do you?
Also you still need to check the various thresholds against an unknown value. A quick google gave me a solution using a switch statement state machine but idk, making a function to do the comparison seemed the simplest way to do it to me.

>>103240197
I mean like store (float)this._currentBreak /base.owner.breakDetail.GetDefaultBreakGauge() and compare it to all the different raw floating point thresholds.

>>103240314
oh right I'm fucking stupid, that makes sense
>store (value) then compare it to the thresholds
I just double checked and doesn't he literally store the value under the variable num?
But then that value doesn't even get used in the function, amazing

>>103240516
nah it's using .breakGauge instead of .GetDefaultBreakGauge()
who knows if that actually matches up
this shit gets worse the longer you look at it, it truly is amazing

>>103232102
This just reads as pure projection. If you actually read any of what people are complaining about it's because unlike artists who get pilloried for it developers are actively using and integrate LLMs into our processes. No developer is going "hurr handmade artisan code is innately better than AI code." If it works, that's great, it frees up so much time for other things. So many AI products - cursor, aider, copilot - are aimed directly at developers to use. Every dev wishes it could actually do what people claim it can do on the tin. But right now, it doesn't, and it's important to know the limitations while still using it before you seed your codebase with difficult-to-find bugs that you only realize after a few dozen more commits building on it.

>Try to integrate AI into your CI/CD pipline
>AI tries repeatedly to fix a bug, fails and has a full-on existential breakdown then commits sudoku

heeeeey just like my first-year interns

I can't, I'm the kind of person that would forget their own name if people stopped saying it to me occasionally.

>>103242959
Most of the time I've tried to use AI to pinpoint a bug it tends to gaslight me and insist over and over it MUST be this thing no matter how many times I insist it's not. Though it can be helpful for brainstorming if I offer ideas myself and have it evaluate them without having to go through with implementing and testing the proposed fix

>>103244218
>it tends to gaslight me and insist over and over it MUST be this thing no matter how many times I insist it's not
it all makes sense once you realize that its actually a demon and its actually trying to inject code into your project that will give it more access irl.

once you realize that AI is actually demons, and that they're decentralizing their work so that humans dont catch on, the more sense everything AI does will make.

you know i'm right

>>103242959
>"Skynet will kill us all !"
>Meanwhile AI
I love the fact that most current AIs are either complete schizos or depressed. They truly are our creations.

>>103208002
>Was it worth the extra money
Sorry to respond so late. It was an unintentional promotion at first: my manager had health issues during a big project, the company wasn't sure if we had the budget to hire someone until they quit or returned. I stepped up temporarily, they quit, and I stayed there. Fast forward three years and I've moved laterally to another team, then up a half-step.
But was it worth it?
Very mixed. For a while some of the challenges were new, and there was novelty in that. Now it just depends on the project I'm put on. The money is definitely nice, but I can see myself saving up a few more years and then looking to get back into coding directly again.

>>103207604
same

>>103207627
Ironically the companies who outsourced their software developers are now paying third worlders who use AI to write their code

>>103228059
Bruh he's just an Emacs monkey. Any semblance of intelligence comes from him using LISP and a bunch of Linux bells and whistles. If this tranny in the making had any talent, he'd be writing in OOP languages like a normal person.
I bet he jerks off to syntax trees

this is a good thread so have a bump

If all you anons are about good at coding why are we stick with mediocre vtuber apps like pomu pages and holodex?

>>103254906
I started the odin project last month.
Give me 2 more months for me to finish it and I will make something cool.

>>103226998
I wrote it like 3 years ago. I now post it just to piss off more experienced programmers.
>>103234279
-Base is the thing this script is attached to. There is no functional difference between base and this.
-This is from a mod, so, annoyingly long class name is not my fault. Some of them have fucking typos too, like Storge, and then there's Behavior vs Behaviour.
-base.card and this.behavior.card are actually the same thing. The former returns the latter.
-The entire check could literally be turned into a formula. Unfortunately, I'm bad at math.
-I'm using dnSpy, which doesn't save comments. No idea what token stuff is, it just helps me visually separate methods.
-base.BeforeRollDice calls the original script this normally overrides. It doesn't loop itself somehow, but it's also completely unnecessary because original method is empty.
>>103241194
GetDefault gets max value, breakGauge is current.
I don't ever use the fucking float num, but that's actually a good thing because MaxBreakLife is NOT used by ANYTHING and has no relation to breakGauge. I might have used it before realizing I got the wrong thing.

>>103258029
Also this is older than AI AFAIK. Only a human can be this retarded.
A related script as a treat. I don't think I've ever unfucked this one either.

>>103257431
What does it do?

>>103207627
Hi Vedal

Can someone make a tool that will let me find out which vtubers are whores and which are not based on their career history? not going to take anons word for it.

>>103261812
>which vtubers are whores
>the vtubing market is all about extorting money from lonely men
I mean...

>>103210571
>AI spits out horrendous code and if you have no ability to determine good code versus bad code, you're going to end up with piles of spaghetti with enormous technical debt. A huge part of programming is not just writing code, but designing it in a way that doesn't make you want to kill yourself down the track.
>It's a great learning tool, but there's no fucking way any retard could use it to replace an actual competent programmer.
It's okay for cutting a few hours off of going through old forum posts and StackOverflows for the one specific thing that you need your terrible programming language to do. For learning how to code in general - meh.
>>103211103
>Agreed except it's really scary to recommend newbies use it, they can't differentiate good from bad. It's excellent when it comes to learning APIs or just general "how do I do X in Y lang."
>Also, I just wouldn't use it to program at all, it inserts subtle bugs as soon as you use it for anything nontrivial, fixing the subtle bugs takes just as long as writing it correctly the first time and is 10% the fun.
99% agree. The other 1% is when you have some small, isolated task that would not be worth the time investment to do yourself. A small Powershell script for unfucking your Windows environment is one personal example that comes to mind.
given that it's cooking the planet though, no one should really be using this shit

>>103253007
clonk is married and may not be a proper chud, but will NEVER troon out.
>OOP
we don't do that here, raj.

>>103219645
then flip the best damn burgers you can. Please do NOT work at burgerking.

>>103259436
https://www.theodinproject.com
nta but it's a webdev course, I've perused it and its not bad, but I'm torn between learning something that can get me a job and making a videogame.

>>103253007
>If this tranny in the making had any talent, he'd be writing in OOP languages like a normal person.
tell me you know nothing about coding without telling me that you nothing about coding

>>103213074
COBOL has at least one open source implementation that's being actively maintained so I can't hate on it. If that decades old code keeps me from waking up to a checking account with $-420.69 in it then idgaf leave it alone

>>103265218
Hey, thanks

>>103253007
Shit bait uezs

>>103207084 (OP)
......those are men arent they.

>>103253007
He just wrote Rust bindings for libmpv, so he could have a video playing BEHIND his tool he wrote for drawing on the screen.

So the more he draws on the screen, the more it reveals the video behind it.

It's crazy impressive.

He also did his own Vtuber model code (using OpenSeeFace for the face tracking)

>>103254906
I've got a motivation problem.
Also what's wrong with Holodex?

>>103219645
Not even coders like doing it.

>>103268254
I do, but only for my personal projects that I'll never actually finish or publish.

>>103254906
What apps do you want to see??
Holodex is fine.

>>103267742
Oh wow, he can read API docs, soooo impressive. I bet you will cream your pants if you ever see him assemble IKEA furniture
Did you know literally anyone can implement OpenSeeFace? Just read through the repo and don't be a retard. The reason noone does is because only a retarded linuxoid would re-invent the wheel for no practical reason.
>>103265368
Just because your ADHD ass can't follow the class relationships, doesn't mean it's bad. Develop your own opinion instead of being a contrarian

>>103219645
>I don't want to code, it's the most boring bullshit on earth and I'm tired of feeling societally pressured to like it because "smart people do it"
>I literally enjoy flipping burgers more
Professional coder (going on 10 years) here. You are completely valid, and I am also tired of society pressuring you to learn it. We're only called "smart people" because, at this moment in history, we're profitable. For the chuds in the room, that is not the same thing as saying that we're better or more necessary. It means that a bunch of rich assholes convinced everyone that we were. In reality, I found that coding was the only thing that I could tolerate doing for a living.
Also, I like burgers, and I would like them even more if the people who enjoy (or at least tolerate) making them made the same decent living that I do.
>>103274253
>Just because your ADHD ass can't follow the class relationships, doesn't mean it's bad. Develop your own opinion instead of being a contrarian
My opinion is that its a fucking stupid waste of time and that plain-ass procedural C is more enjoyable to write. Write your structs and the functions to manage them and be fucking done with it. They don't need to be in the same pretty little package with public/private access modifiers and kinds of other syntactical sugar horseshit that ultimately does nothing but make your compiler buggier. Fuck OOP.

>>103275633
>how dare they put utensils with my food order, I got my own special forks in my easily accessible man-purse.

This is what you sound like

>>103277228
>I can't believe that everyone prefers forks and knives of their own creation over my carefully curated collection of half-melted sporks

This is what you sound like