Thread 103543963

>rarely streams
>bled viewers
>often streams
>bled viewers
>sometimes streams
>bled viewers

Was the Corpo buff that strong? Or is it just that normies aren't used to watching indies?

It's not about corpos in general it's about the group

>>103544259
If it's about the group and not about corpos, how do you explain the same thing happening to the JP ex-holos?

Holo is what made them. You notice they aren't doing as well without holo yet holo is doing fine well without them.

>>103544259
fippy bippy

>>103543963 (OP)
People don’t watch solely for the main vtuber, but for the dynamics with others as well.
Connections with problematic individuals, such as Mint, can reflect poorly on them.

>>103544665
Mint isn't problematic

HOLOBRONIES SEETHING

>>103544442
NTA but I think they're talking about the fact that by creating a viewership box, they can shuffle around viewers and keep everyone's viewership consistently high.
It's why it's such a shame that saba and dooby have stopped streaming as often. In theory, if they form their own box starting with saba/nimi/mint/doki/dooby with consistent streams, all of them would benefit as people start to like the community.

All 5 of them have a decently overlapping audience, and it could be taken advantage of in theory.
It's kind of a shame the other two sloppy sisters aren't on youtube as much, because they'd definitely contribute to creating a box as well.

>>103543963 (OP)
Or there's a cull going on

>>103544665
I'd say having connections with a literal husband is far more impactful here

>>103544703
While a few sisters may enjoy her style of vtubing, most people see right through her, regardless of how desperately she latches onto the holos or flatters their audience.
There's a reason she's a reject.

>>103544824
nijiseethe

>>103544824
She's a reject because she had no streaming experience when she auditioned in 2020.

>>103544837
Sister, no matter how Pomu rebrands herself, whether as a corpo vtuber or a fake indie, being a Nijisister is a huge red flag.

>>103543963 (OP)
>marijuana cigar
I improved myself
>Nimi
Streams overlap Biboo's so often i miss her streams.
>saba
Talented and natural entertainer but demonstrated a lack of professionalism while working at cover, i can't follow someone that's likely to do the same thing now that doesn't have the corpo shackles.

>>103543963 (OP)
HoloEN is getting destroyed by Twitch indies.

>>103544928
Such a red flag that Cover allowed her into their studio to record 3D and sign their wall.

I would wager they want the smaller audience. At least for Saba, she couldn't handle the fame and pressure since she's a social cripple and has health issues. Doob is the embodiment of wanting to do things at her pace.

Fauna was likely was already in family mode and bailed holo. Doubt the Nimi train will chug for much longer.

>>103544991
You're the embodiment of the general /vt/ard that believes anything anons say. Why even post anything? You're just copy and pasting and parroting talking points word for word like a politician's asswipe.

>>103544259
But the corpo IS the group due to walled gardening. Nothing stops indies from selectively grouping, but lol lets see them pull it off without the tard wrangling that is management

>>103544665
ogey sister

>>103543963 (OP)
Little lore drop is such a potent poison that no vtuber could utter the words lore drop again without people associating it with cuckoldry.
Such is her legacy

>>103544928
the only people who hate mint are sisters

>>103544572
Shylily is killing holoEN. This was not possible a year ago.

>>103544980
I have no idea what kind of mental gymnastics you’re trying to pull, but fans watch holos because of their unique vtubing style. It doesn’t matter how many times vshojo scores a collab, people will always flock back to the styles they actually enjoy, just like any other vtuber fanbase. Pomu and Selen? Once the drama hype dies down, their viewer numbers plummet because people always return to what they truly prefer.

>>103545132
>twitch
Absolutely disgusting

>>103545155
>if we ignore the vtubers destroying our entire branch, we win!
Don't numberfag if you can't take the heat, holobrony.

>>103545142
okay sis
>>103545132
Shush. If you keep pointing out things like this, the /#/monkeys might actually realize what happened this week.

>>103545142
high octane methylated cope
it's crazy that you're doing it for free, we know they don't have the budget anymore for giftcards

>>103545181
>numberfagging twitch
Stop projecting, anon.

>>103545076
>>103545218
>nijisisters calling others sister
>>103544928

>>103545142
Cover wouldn't let someone who is a "huge red flag" into their office to record 3D, sign their wall, hang out with their talents, etc.

>>103545274
It's hilarious how you think this disguises the stench from your rotten axe wound.
You lost. She's never coming back to you.

>>103545220
>sisters accusing others of giftcard bribery
Again, please stop projecting.

Little lore drop teehee.

>>103545274
even da wose is gone
literally who do you even have left lol

>>103543963 (OP)
Nimi and saba bot got culled since a day or two ago. They lost half the bot "viewers"

>>103545399
The funniest shit about the anons talking about the "bots" being removed in the last few days is that it immediately exposes their location and skin color.

Come on, guys. No matter how desperately you try to shake off the nijisister label, even pretending Mint and Pomu aren’t the same person, you’re not fooling anyone. That stench sticks. Once a nijisister, always a nijisister. Sorry, not sorry.

>>103545370
who?

>>103545324
Sorry, but Mint is Pomu. And you"ll always be a sister.

>>103543963 (OP)
My oshi is a logo. I hate VTubers

>>103545074
Mint is a holo reject. She's a number poison.

>>103544751
Nimi torpedoed any possibility for a real indie avengers with her little lore drop
Now she's walking radioactive waste who will contaminate with whore allegations anyone who collabs with her
Saba-Dooby-Nimi axis was the best chance they had because ex-holos and at least some past collab experience
Saba-Dooby is not enough you need 3 at least

>Saba bad
>Mint good
I wonder who is behind this

>>103545600
Holy TRVKE

>>103545625
>viewers reflect their oshi

>>103545625
It's more like
>mint bad
>saba bad
>nimi bad
>dooby bad
I wonder who is behind this

>>103545625
You, a catalogfag shitposter, are behind this

>>103545759
No one’s dragging Saba, Doob, or Nimi. They’re fine. But Mint is a bad actor, plain and simple. Stop lumping her in with the ex-holos. Your leech oshi hasn’t earned that level, not even close.

Their content is as special as a morning commute on a tuesday. Why would anyone stick around if they don't do anything special? Especially if they have huge gaps of time between each stream.

>>103545879
>No one’s dragging Saba, Doob, or Nimi.
It's okay, we already know you don't watch streams, so it's a given that you can't read either.
Seethe, sis.

>>103545956
Sister, you can't fool me, no matter how much you pretend Mint isn’t Pomu. >>103545498

Brownfeet don't even know which side they're playing, they're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks

>>103543963 (OP)
Because nimi and saba had lore drops.

>>103546027
Naw, it's a mintschizo trying to bury the last few niji yabs from the other day

>Sister
Mint's audience is ojisans.

It’s pathetic how Mintcucks have gaslit themselves into ignoring Pomu’s existence, the massive elephant in the room. They’re desperately trying to fake being part of the holo fanbase, but everyone knows they don’t belong.

>>103545879
I’ll bite, what specifically did Mint do to get endless seethe threads on this board?

>>103543963 (OP)
Western normies never watched corpos outside of Gura in the first place you retard.

>>103546314
Once a Nijifag always a Nijifag

>>103543963 (OP)
>Whores think they can do better when they're not tard wrangled by management
>They sabotage themselves at every turn
Showbiz ain't so easy if you're a dumbass

>>103546314
She was NijiEN's star alongside selen. On her way out though, she unprivated a membership stream where she said she couldn't take Niji anymore after they fucked up a once in a lifetime opportunity for her, and after she left, she met back up with Dokibird and they're joined at the hip now.

So not only did she expose how bad Niji was, but she also betrayed them by reuniting with their voldemort.

>>103546314
Oh please explain what’s so great about being a leech? I was pretty sure your oshi’s oshi was Mito. Did something change?
Also, care to explain why your oshi is so desperate to cling to holos and ex-holos that she erased all trace of being Pomu, just like her fans?

>>103546465
Her NijiJP oshi is Mito, yes. You can have more than one oshi.
And she didn't erase Pomu, all her Pomu stuff is still up on her channel.

>>103546314
>>103546441 (me)
>>103546465
See? They think of it as a betrayal because she had the audacity to leave the company.

>>103546541
>is
was.
She isn't a fan of Nijisanji anymore.
Never meet your heroes.

>>103546605
She still likes Mito, but hates Nijisanji the company

>>103546314
Mint’s such a grifter.
I remember she pulled that pity-stream stunt about being sick then conveniently ‘graduated’ only for it to come out she was already accepted by Nijisanji. Then she played the indie card, lied to her fans about joining vshojo and only spilled the truth later to cash in on the drama lmao.

>>103546569
This sister is still pretending that Mint isn’t Pomu just so she can use the defense
>I'm not a sister, you're the sister

>>103546465
Having a lot of friends equals being a leech.
Xisters have no friends thus that makes them superior for not leeching.
Xister logic.

>>103546714
News to me.
I wouldn't doubt she can separate it, but I know I'd shrivel up at even the thought of a workplace I hated as much as she did. I admire her fortitude for even withstanding all of the niji ads when she visits japan.

>>103544259
>>103545040
this

>>103546731
She didn't say she was sick, she said she had a test done (to check for cancer) and the results found a growth, and that she had to go in for more tests. Then, 2 months after joining Niji, she had her cancer surgery. You know all this, you enjoy calling her "zipper hits"

>>103545040
In this context, 'corpo' refers to the management, and the management’s ideals don’t always reflect those of the group. People watch the group, not the management.

>>103544665
This. I liked Kronii+Gooba, but that's gone now.

>>103545600
I know you're just a dramatard but that still makes no sense

>>103546860
Which wouldn't be an issue if they weren't forced into that retarded taboo of not acknowledging past members.

>>103546764
>News to me.
She literally retweeted a Mito cosplayer on her personal account.

>>103547058
lmao okay sister, that's funny
joins niji
>my oshi is mito
joins vshojo
>my oshi is melody
joins phase
>my oshi is pippa

>>103547058
Ah right. I haven't been on twitter in a while.
She's such a cute dork.

>>103543963 (OP)
the weird deranged twitterfags that latch onto LE INDIE GIRLBOSS GANG UNICORNS OUT WE DON'T NEED NO CORPO schtick scared off vtuber/idol enjoyers, which is 99% of holo watchers.
What's the point in supporting someone playing video games and yapping? superfans want to support idols that bring cheer and inspiration on a big stage and make music and are talented. If you take all that away, you just have a ethot behind an anime avatar playing video games for an hour sometimes as they beg for supas.

>>103543963 (OP)
Learning your oshi was a lying whore the entire time she was in hololive even thoguh she talked about being lonely and told her fans she talked to them more than anyone else is enough to make you want to quit watching vtubers. That's why Nimi and Saba's views have plummeted.
As for Dooby, she's associated with the other two and she just doesn't stream enough.

>>103547254
?

>>103543963 (OP)
Everything Gura and Nimi have ever done in hololive is now tainted because of what happened in July.

>>103547310
wow, 60 people watching a 80" tv!

>>103547360
I knew you couldn't read, but you can't count either?

>>103544572
>Only 20k less views than Mori
>Doesn't have to split her vod money with an agency
Who do you think made more money on their Elden Ring stream anon? The one in Holo or the indie?

>>103547519
The one who doesn't have to pay for 68K bots on a youtube stream

>>103547544
Mori had double the CCV bots that Nimi supposedly has. Except Nimi doesn't pay for her bots while Cover pays for Mori's bots (and get pennies in return)

>>103543963 (OP)
>Was the Corpo buff that strong?
This.
There is also the other thing - their models fucking sucks. It's such a huge downgrade designwise.
>B-but it's still the same girl behind the avat...
Ok, and? Turns out they aren't that interesting by themselves and were carried hard by superior models and corpo buff. Numbers don't lie.

>>103547594
Japs botting? The cope is strong in you

>>103548635
The only downgrade was arguably Saba.
Amelia's design is fucking awful. It's far too generic. The instant she loses her hat she becomes Villager 27

>>103544665
connections with your poor brain and your body seems to be shady but then again maybe a steel toe boot to the groin can correct this error

>>103543963 (OP)
I don't really care for them or how they're doing but you're crazy. Normies are the ones who watch indies the most, what the fuck are you on? They despise corpo because muh talent freedom and le evil idol culture.

>>103543963 (OP)
Most Holos are pretty boring by indie standards, so as indies they have to rely on their ever dwindling old Holo audience since indie watchers don't find them entertaining enough to check out.

>>103548685
Sometimes generic is good if it's done right. The blond hair + blue eyes is always a winning combo, and her default outfit was simple yet effective.
I'd argue that Dooby's model is also generic, but in a worse way.

>>103548831
I think you just don't like change, anon. Dooby's design has interesting color combinations, more unique clothing, and a very unique silhouette from her socks, ears, and tail.
It's easy to say that something you loved for 4 years is better than something new.

>>103544665
Facts

>>103546441
>She was NijiEN's star alongside selen.
That’s like being the star of an off off-broadway play.

>>103548955
It doesn't matter how big she actually was. She was very important and at the center of the nijisanji "family" and was basically the shining example of someone who loved the company and made it better.

Only for her to turn around and expose how bad shit was behind the scenes and leave heartbroken, which meant she was lying and betrayed them or something for rocking the boat.

>>103543963 (OP)
It's because of the id verification in the us recently

>>103548685
>The only downgrade was arguably Saba.
I genuinely don't know how she gave the okay on that awful design.

>>103548685
Holy shit taste
Amelia's design is god tier
Simple and pretty
On the other hand Dooby's model is like some over-designed garbage
It's ogey to be gay I guess

>>103549057
It's just far too messy. It feels like another hobo vox where she got everything she asked for on the design without question or feedback, though obviously nowhere near as bad as his monstrosity

Why can't dooby stream cool games...

>>103543963 (OP)
Not being able to collab with the fun girls is more important than you think, beat believe with all the off collab all for one content we’re getting soon people will forget about them even more (except Ame is she shows up)

>>103544902
Kiara and Mori?

>>103549480
Who knows? It's the response she was given, so that's all we can say about it. They didn't even look at her audition tape.

>>103548635
It wasn’t just the models that were downgrades; even their collab partners were a step down. Mint is never a good option. Everything she leeches off eventually dies.

>>103549119
omg that's so based.
Look at my super pretty and simple design.

>>103544442
>how do you explain the same thing happening to the JP ex-holos?
You've seen ex-Holos doing collabs with current-Holos in a group? Where?

>>103546924
It's only an issue for Saba

>>103544991
>I would wager they want the smaller audience
LOL

>>103548990
Good narrative, but that’s just the revisionists’ talking point. Luxiem was what made NijiEN relevant, and Mint forced herself into a ship with one of their stars, Luca. All the girls catered to the male talents, as confirmed by the infamous 'All Out War' leak.

>>103545132
>Shylily is popular
Wow stop the presses. Do (You) live under a rock or something?

>>103546314
Remember how we used to shit on Nijisis en masse in 2024 because of the Black stream?
What you're seeing is a resurgence of that fanbase in /vt/, now that (most) Holofags are gone.

it's not that hard to find them on this board, openly calling Doki "Dookiebird" and the Dragoons "Fagoons", all Nijisis terms.

it's not a thing that other fanbases do:
>Doki and Mint are both Phase and indie-friendly, including ex-Holos
>even if Holofags are annoyed by all the beggars asking Cover to take Mint in, for the most part they're fine with her, who is a good friend with a bunch of Holos. They also have no reason to care about Doki.

Only actual Nijisis still carry a hate-boner for Doki and Mint.

Remember how we used to shit on Nijisis en masse in 2024 because of the Black stream?
What you're seeing is a resurgence of that fanbase in /vt/, now that (most) Holofags are gone.

it's not that hard to find them on this board, openly calling Doki "Dookiebird" and the Dragoons "Fagoons", all Nijisis terms.
it's not a thing that other fanbases do:
>Doki and Mint are both Phase and indie-friendly, including ex-Holos
>even if Holofags are annoyed by all the beggars asking Cover to take Mint in, for the most part they're fine with her, who is a good friend with a bunch of Holos. They also have no reason to care about Doki.
Only actual Nijisis still carry a hate-boner for Doki and Mint.

>>103549797 meant for >>103546314

>>103544259
>>103544649
Fpbp
Good riddance to these traitors -Hololive only grows stronger

>>103549797
>for the most part they're fine with her, who is a good friend with a bunch of Holos. They also have no reason to care about Doki.
And again, like you said, most non-numberfag Holofags left /vt/

>>103547519
>VOD money
As if westeners don't use adblockers.
And this is a trick question since Fromsoftware doesn't allow monetisation on their games.

>>103550009
Fair Use

>>103549603
Ogey sis.

>>103544259
Fpbp

>>103550100
Tell that to Fromsoftware, ATLUS, Nintendo and co. If they don't want you to stream/make money of it you are not going to stream it.

Look up any Elden Ring stream from hololive. superchat deactivated.

>>103550427
>Hololive is a reddit meme
Accurate

>>103550542
that specific phrase is from the period immediately after the ishygdg phase, so like '13 or '14

>>103550381
I know that in Nintendo's case, their guidelines directly state that those monetization restrictions apply specifically to corporate streamers. Indies are exempt.

>>103545132
How did she go from 4k average to 8k in 2 months? Is it all bots, or did she do anything notable? I thought it could be due to Sinder drama, but her boost came a month later when most people had already moved on.

>>103544991
Quiet you dumb fucking retard

>>103550819
Actual answer is google rolled out an extremely aggressive age verification system on the 14th in the us. All chuubas with primarily US audiences are suffering because the verification process is very invasive, sometimes requiring your ID/driver's license, uploading photos to let an ai determine if you are a child, or both

>>103550920
> All chuubas with primarily US audiences are suffering
It seems several top nijijp also got hit heavily. Do they have mainly us audiences too?

>t-they are m-making more money!
How the fuck is that relevant to hemorrhaging viewers?
In fact its objectively a bad thing. They made their content worse by essentially preventing collabs with holo mems, to make more money. That's greed at the expense of their fans.
>thats le hekkin based! Frick corpos!

>>103544665
This pretty mich. Look at Kson. At hololive she could bounce of others with them doing the idol thing and her being more crass. Without the contrast it's just not entertaining.

>>103551478
Her being crass was never entertaining to begin with. It's why I'm glad she's gone.

>>103544798
Out of sight, out of mind; few care about Nimi’s family beyond her fans. But her ties to controversial vtubers like Mint inevitably drew attention from both fanbases and others in between. Predictably, the reaction was negative, showing how personal associations can quickly become public controversies.

>>103547360
Dumbass.

>>103547310
This is worth bragging about now? I know vtubers whose casual fan meetups drew crowds much larger than this.

>>103543963 (OP)
Only happen to shit chuuba
Wouldn't happen with moom

>>103551664
Name them.

>>103551696
I'm talking about Hololive members, of course. Why would anyone visit /vt/ and watch someone inferior? Masochism?

>>103543963 (OP)
The models just suck. They're all some variant of yellow or gray. Mint and Doki too.

>>103551718
>holobronie
Of course lol. Also most of your kind were smart enough to leave this place.

>>103551798
Yeah, you have no comeback. You fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. But it's okay, I understand.

>>103551890
>IESLB
Typical bronie.

>>103543963 (OP)
Imagine still posting this shit after yesterday we saw you numbermonkey flooding all voer the board. Stop pretending faunaschizo.

>>103543963 (OP)
The people here dont know what theyre talking about. Theyll say this or that numbers, etc but its all a guess in the end.

>>103551513
now watch the two remaining kson simps call you some derogatory chinese term just because you don't like their kveen

>>103550819
>How did she go from 4k average to 8k in 2 months?

>>103543963 (OP)
>get worked to the bone in corpo life
>go indie
>still massively successful and doing more than well enough to live off of it even with reduced activity
Are you telling me that you wouldn't do the same

I see #fags shitting up the catalog because Nimi's "only" pulling 3K CCV, as if there aren't streamers who do this full-time with less than a 10th of that viewership.

>>103550920
land of the free

>>103552704
Sabacope yagoo won

>>103550920
>>103552796
EU and UK have the same shit incoming

>>103552989
UK got it much worse and probably kickstarted this shit

>>103553997
UK is indeed the reason it's happening, it's those stupid new laws they passed. I'm not sure why Youtube is doing it in US first when it's UK's fault.

>>103552704
They're braindead monkeys who only know how to speak in buzzwords. Your facts will do nothing to affect their behavior because their only goal is to annoy you, and even if you aren't annoyed they will imagine that you are so there's really no way to win against them

People are just getting bored with VTubers.
It's becoming clear they aren't anything special, they are just Egirls and Ewhores with a virtual model.
All women are the same.
Disillusionment.

>>103550920
EU getting hit with age verification too
got hit it and it wants my ID, its been 2 weeks and i still refuse to do it
at this point im thinking of getting a vpn

>>103554425
>>103553997
They got the idea from Texas, USA. Anon.
In case you didn't realize the governments of the world are all in cahoots.

>>103543963 (OP)
Because they still can't collab with their friends in Hololive anymore. It nerfs their content. Even if they're still entertaining by themselves, something will always still be missing.

>>103555298
how old is your google account?