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Anonymous No.103605218 >>103605345 >>103605446 >>103605525 >>103605554 >>103605902 >>103606150 >>103606327 >>103606811 >>103606905 >>103606997 >>103607905 >>103608370 >>103608589 >>103609027 >>103612488 >>103618921 >>103621479 >>103622819 >>103623161 >>103624549 >>103634534
Does this surprise literally anyone?
Anonymous No.103605264
No, nijiniggers especially have known this for years and years now.
Anonymous No.103605345 >>103605366 >>103605410 >>103605457 >>103605700 >>103605833 >>103606320 >>103607142 >>103607963 >>103612433 >>103612479 >>103612488 >>103615943 >>103616401 >>103619264 >>103619649 >>103621613 >>103623868 >>103625870 >>103626183 >>103627947 >>103628035 >>103628303 >>103630384 >>103648989 >>103650183 >>103650865 >>103651033
>>103605218 (OP)
Hololive also favors men more but we don't like to talk about that.
Anonymous No.103605366 >>103606907 >>103608841 >>103609426
>>103605345
This ain't 2022 anymore anon the homos get scraps to go by
Anonymous No.103605377
They're not called mansanji for nothing
Anonymous No.103605410 >>103606907
>>103605345
The homos can't even break 3view even with ERB constantly shilling them
Anonymous No.103605415 >>103609153
Rima detected, opinion rejected
The answer is yes btw. The last time a prominent Niji fan tried to make a similar point on twitter they were eaten alive by the community
Anonymous No.103605426
StarsJP just complined about the free ride coming to an end so no, this isn't a suprise to anyone that isn't huffing copium
Anonymous No.103605446
>>103605218 (OP)
Not really
Anonymous No.103605457 >>103605627 >>103608841
>>103605345
>not part of the New Years celebration
>no 3D Lives guaranteed
>no concerts
>merch is more generic
pathetic attempt
Anonymous No.103605474 >>103605564 >>103607168 >>103638644
>normalized sexpests and men in vtubing
>normalized normalfags using vtubing to grift
>normalized dramafags using vtubing to grift
I fucking hate NijiEN so much.
Anonymous No.103605507
There have only ever been 2 types of male Niji EN fans:
>Goons
Left with Selen
>Dachis
Left with Pomu
Niji EN is so irrelevant in the West nowadays that you could think they don't exist at all anymore. Girls like Maririn for example never had a chance. Da Wose at least could enjoy some better times, but in the end, it's like she has only ever been an option for Dachis to watch when Pomu wasn't around.
Anonymous No.103605525 >>103650466
>>103605218 (OP)
EN5
Screencap this
Anonymous No.103605554
>>103605218 (OP)
everyone knew this, nijisanjiEN bullied out every single liver that wanted to stay away from the male livers
Anonymous No.103605564 >>103606415 >>103620246
>>103605474
Let's be real, the first one was the case already and the other two were happening sooner or later with Phase around
Anonymous No.103605627
>>103605457
They still exists, you can't have more proof they are being favored more. They are the WNBA of vtubing
Anonymous No.103605700
>>103605345
homos get almost no push these days, which is what they deserve
Anonymous No.103605701 >>103605792 >>103606019 >>103606405 >>103607142 >>103620282 >>103623974
From what I have observed it isn't so much about gender as it is about money. The more money members can make them the more they will invest in them. The girls in NijiEN were making some money and were getting some support with Lazulight getting 3D and the debut songs and shit. But then Luxiem came along and made the money the girls were making look like small potatoes so they shifted all the efforts to pushing the boys instead. Which resulted in the girls side getting left behind because according to the members themselves they branch was always chronically understaffed for the number of debuts they had.

It's the same in JP, if you are a girl and you are popular and make them enough money you will get everything you want like Sanbaka or Nornis or Mito whatever. They get concerts albums radio shows projects and all the rest of it. The NijiEN girls just weren't popular enough to get the same treatment.
Anonymous No.103605792 >>103605922
>>103605701
This include merch?
Anonymous No.103605833
>>103605345
This has never been true.
Anonymous No.103605867 >>103606214 >>103612959 >>103615237 >>103620397 >>103651013
The girls had a relatively healthy fanbase before the males debuted. Nothing compared to Hololive of course, but still substantial. They had a much loved dynamic and offered real advantages over Holo, which was struggling with their 2nd gen.
The males debuted, and brought in an entirely different fanbase. After a short period of adjustment, the males started streaming in the middle of the night, in JST time, since they realized their fanbase was all chinese/japanese/SEA.

So you had a situation with two *completely different* fanbases.
Fanbase A
>male
>from North America
>strongly prefer cute, wholesome, seiso content
Fanbase B
>female
>from Asia
>strongly prefer degenerate, lewd, and crass content
These fanbases aren't even from the same continent, the same culture, or even the same socioeconomic bracket. Why mix them? What was the point? You just damaged both sides by doing that.

The insistence on mixing the two was driven by certain key individuals.
-- Ethyria were all nepo-hires who debuted with firm expectations for how much money they expected to make. They felt it was their "right" to be popular, therefore they bandwagoned with the men as soon as possible, and encouraged other girls to do the same.
-- Enna and Elira are radical feminists driven by an ideology of "owning the incels". They blatantly tried to purge parasocials with deliberate actions of flirting and cross gender NTR stunts.
-- Luca was super horny, and super desperate to prove his masculinity. He was an egomaniac driven by a desire to cuck everyone's oshi, and surround himself with girls who worshiped him.
This ended up being a complete disaster. Not only did you lose the girl's loyal male fanbase, but the female fans of the boys got jealous and angry. When the numbers started falling, they tried to save it by kicking up drama and infighting, but that just made everything worse. In the end the comfortable friendship dynamic of Lazulight was replaced by the nasty bitchy humor of Ethyria, and everyone was jumping ship.

The easiest solution to this problem would be putting up a wall between the male and female sides. Sure, some mixed collabs are fine. But flirting collabs, NTR offcollabs, and cross gender ships should have been completely banned. The girls should have been strongly encouraged to appeal to the male fanbase, and the boys to the female fanbase, that way you can keep both groups happy and win big.
Anonymous No.103605902
>>103605218 (OP)
The funniest fucking shit is that even mae, one of the worst attack dogs for the ndf, is trying to call people out for this.
I've seen a few other people who attacked Selen, Mint, and any of the other "traitors" calling for better treatment of the girls and getting absolutely blasted by the same people they used to rally.

It's fucking hilarious.
Anonymous No.103605922
>>103605792
To some extent, I wouldn't say it was a one to one correlation though but like Kuzuha and Kanae definitely get a lot more merch than some random 500 viewer girl. It seems like in the JP branch there are a cast of "usual suspects" for being part of a merch release like maybe the top 25 most popular and then they throw a couple of less popular ones in so people cant say they only give merch to popular members.
Anonymous No.103606019 >>103606233 >>103606239 >>103606340
>>103605701
>From what I have observed it isn't so much about gender as it is about money.
Unfortunately, not.
Selen and Pomu were competitive or above several of the guys, but they were still shafted at every opportunity in favor of Elira, who was middling if not below average on every metric.
Anonymous No.103606150
>>103605218 (OP)
>Watching dramatubers
>Watching Rima
She is the worst one out of them
Anonymous No.103606214 >>103620397
>>103605867
Another thing that really bothered me about NijiEN was the stupidity of management.

Their hiring decisions were clearly made by people who didn't speak English. Therefore judged people by PL numbers rather than personality or charisma. This resulted in a series of disastrous hiring choices that were extremely unpopular. Elira's nepo-hires did significantly better, not because Elira is some genius, but because Elira *actually speaks english* so she was able to judge which people had good chops. This had the unfortunate side effect where management relied on Elira more and more and gave her far too much influence.

Another problem is that numbers does not necessarily correlate to ability.
Example 1: Luca
He is a retarded chucklefuck who was too lazy to do anything himself. His popularity was mostly attributed to being part of the Luxiem wave, rather than his own charisma or talent. And yet management was giving him tremendous privilege and deference, treating him like he was so valuable. They would do anything to avoid losing Luca. They treated him as being even more valuable than people like Pomu and Selen, who currently have 5x his viewers.
Example 2: Enna
She was popular because she leeched viewers off the males. That doesn't equate to her actual value as a streamer. In reality she was incredibly destructive, and completely nuked the male side of the fandom, resulting in new female hires being dead on arrival. The damage she did far eclipsed whatever she brought to the table, which was mostly leeched from others in the first place. She is an unnecessary node, and could have been plucked without damaging the organization.

It just goes to show that numbers =/= value.
If someone is bringing a unique audience to the table, they are more valuable than someone who overlaps their audience with 10 other people, regardless of who has a higher CCV.

These concepts would go way over the head of the retards in Niji management though, who mostly couldn't even speak English and just threw opportunities at whoever generated the best ccv or merch sales in the moment.
Anonymous No.103606233 >>103606299
>>103606019
Views aren't the same as revenue. BFE milking can have very low numbers, but if it's all paypigs, it doesn't matter.
Anonymous No.103606239 >>103606299 >>103606390
>>103606019
I have no idea what you are talking about. On the EN store Luxiem merch was outselling all the girls easily when they used to let you look at it by ranking. Then for the girls it would be some ordering of Selen, Elira, Pomu or Enna selling the most merch depending upon the release. And thats without thinking about JP/CN storefronts where Luxiem merch was probably outselling girls even harder and girls like Enna and Elira were probably more popular for attracting CN and JP audiences respectively.
Anonymous No.103606299 >>103606339 >>103606418
>>103606233
Not talking about views, I'm talking about the merch sales which we were able to track early on.
>>103606239
I didn't consider the JP/CN storefronts so that might've made the gap more noticeable, but again, it still doesn't explain the insane favoritism towards Elira specifically when even compared to the girls, she was middling.
Anonymous No.103606320
>>103605345
Those men? Literally me
Anonymous No.103606327
>>103605218 (OP)
>Does this surprise
Only those who didn't know.
Nijisisters were, basically, the vtuber equivalent of SuperWhoLocks/Kpop/Tokio Hotel/Beliebers fanbase, made even worse by being SEA (no inhibitions whatsoever, collectivist mentality with ability to unionize for harassing, infantilism bordering mental illness).

Male fanbases are weird, sometimes, but never in the industry there is a community of people as batshit as it's for NijiEN.
Anonymous No.103606339
>>103606299
>favoritism towards Elira
Elira is the only who can speak Japanese, and acts as EN manager because of it. Since hiring bilingual managers is for broke-ass, yacht-less bitches, probably.
Anonymous No.103606340 >>103606424
>>103606019
I presume Selen was treated differently because she was a liability. Your ability to do things will not be taken into consideration inside a company if the company thinks that you are so uncontrollable that they can't predict what you will do tomorrow.
Anonymous No.103606390
>>103606239
>Luxiem merch was outselling all the girls easily
All of the boys fans are from asia. Nijisanji's merch operation only really exists in Asia, they literally never had a western merch operation. People like Doki and Mint have sold merch in America and made bankloads of money.

So by pointing to "merch sales" as a success indicator, you're actually just pointing out how much overlap the NijiEn boys had with the JP branch, which makes them very useless. If they're just peeling off fans from the JP branch, they are less valuable than the girls, who founded an entirely new fandom in a separate place.
Anonymous No.103606405
>>103605701
>The NijiEN girls just weren't popular enough to get the same treatment.
It's not because they weren't popular (remember, Pomu got offered an album/record deal), but because management cared more about making money with the males.
Anonymous No.103606415 >>103621106
>>103605564
>phase out of nowhere
>it normalizes normalfags
Normies don't know what the fuck vtubing is, let alone Phase. The garbage tourist leeches are a problem sure, but they mostly come from twitch and twitter, and phase is too small to have an effect there. Twitch streamers in general helped in that regard.
Anonymous No.103606418 >>103606548
>>103606299
I think you are likely underestimating Elira by a fair bit. She was consistently in the top 3 girls for selling most merch on the EN store and quite likely the most popular girl on the JP store.
Anonymous No.103606424 >>103606465 >>103606510
>>103606340
Pomu, though? She was shafted just as hard as Selen was, unless she was also seen as a liability somehow.
Anonymous No.103606465
>>103606424
Maybe she is an anormality? Her place is not in EN because she is clearly more equipped about the culture than the others. So basically you can't educate a person with your authority when the person in question is a lot more knowledgeable than you are so it just becomes extremely tiring to interact with her.
Anonymous No.103606510 >>103607956
>>103606424
They hated Pomu because she had a large male fanbase. They didn't like that, they didn't understand it. They wanted to do their fujo shit, they wanted to ship themselves with the males and have flirting offcollabs. The existence of Pomu and her fanbase was fucking that up.
Millie was actively trying to purge Pomu's gachis by shipping her with Luca and helping her join the other girls.
Anonymous No.103606548 >>103606685
>>103606418
Pomu's merch always outsold Elira's on the EN store (the EN store allows you to sort by Best Selling), not to mention the huge gulf in superchat between the two. The only explanation for management's better treatment of Elira over Pomu was if they only looked at JP store sales, and not their overall value.
Anonymous No.103606685 >>103606871 >>103606902 >>103607306
>>103606548
Superchat isn't even worth considering in comparison to merch anon. If you sell $100 of merch 1000 times you have $100k and the company takes most of that. Superchat the top girls were taking like a year to make $150k and its split half and half after 20 percent goes to youtube. One merch release that sells well will make the company more than a years worth of superchat would. If Elira was in the top 3 on the EN store and top on the JP store theres a strong chance she was making the company the most money.
Anonymous No.103606811
>>103605218 (OP)
Losing Selen AND Pomu was the deathknell of male viewer interest in Anycolor. Zaion was deleted a year before that and she was never the same, Vivi saw the writing on the wall when she couldn't leech anymore, Petra went MIA, Twisty got Aster'd and that left Rosemi and Scarle on their own islands so something was gonna give. So congrats sisters, you developed a culture that caters exclusively to you while your female talents that weren't bitches were outcompeted through no fault of their own.
Anonymous No.103606871
>>103606685
NijiEN boys were extremely sexual and lewd. Female fans of the JP branch would stop by EN for a quick fap, whenever they were feeling horny. They got a big overlap audience with JP.

But if you cut the NijiEN boys loose, you know what those girls would do? They would go back to watching their JP boys, and buying merch of their JP boys. I mean fuck, look how much EN declined over time. Those fans got enough masturbation and moved back into JP with people who speak their language.

But fans of the EN girls are different. The ONLY contact they had with Nijisanji was through the girls. They didn't care about JP, they were actually "EN fans", living in America or Canada. When their girls left, they left NIjisanji entirely. That is money falling out of Nijisanji's pocket.

When nodes overlap, you can prune them. I don't care if someone has 10,000 viewers, he can also be completely useless if his fandom is shared with 10 other people.
But if someone with 1000 viewers leaves, and takes their entire audience with them, that can be an even bigger loss.

In this case Nijisanji lost access to the entire global market when they lost the girls. That is a huge cost, and they don't even realize it. You'll never see the money you didn't make.
Anonymous No.103606902 >>103606965
>>103606685
Elira doesn't have as large of a JP fanbase as you're thinking she does, otherwise she wouldn't have been affected as much as she was after SELEN SHOCK
>Superchat the top girls were taking like a year to make $150k
Pomu was there for about 2.5 years and brought in $685k. Elira's been there for over 4 years and has only brought in $385k
Anonymous No.103606905
>>103605218 (OP)
Yeah, the few niji fans who still care about the girls have been know this for years, luckily my oshi is pandering to jp now
Kys for watching rima btw, total dramafag death
Anonymous No.103606907
>>103605366
>>103605410
they're still getting scraps
if they actually had to hit target and stay green, they would not have anything.
>not the scraps. not even the crumbs
Anonymous No.103606965
>>103606902
You don't need a lot of fans anon, you just need dedicated ones. I've seen Japanese girls post Elira shrines on their twitter that have like hundreds of copies of shit.
Anonymous No.103606997
>>103605218 (OP)
But is it a bad thing?
Anonymous No.103607142
>>103605345
>Hololive also favors men more but we don't like to talk about that.
Yagoo treats men like professional entertainers while he treats women like Japanese idols. That double standard has caused some behind the scenes fights, especially in the EN branch, but Hololive offers a lot of money. The huge flaw of Nijisanji is they treat women badly while also offering them less money than the guys. They actually have to use their contracts to force vtubers to not leave early. Both companies have flaws but most talents that left Hololive were angry since their contract issues couldn't be settled.

>>103605701
Elira was constantly getting merch deals while Pomu and Selen were getting table scraps (even though they had more viewers). Nijisanji suffers from a horrible case of management favoritism.
Anonymous No.103607168 >>103609227
>>103605474
>>normalized sexpests and men in vtubing
>>normalized normalfags using vtubing to grift
>>normalized dramafags using vtubing to grift
>I fucking hate NijiEN so much.
I hate NijiEN too but I hate gatekeeping bullshit like your list even more
Anonymous No.103607306
>>103606685
>Superchat isn't even worth considering in comparison to merch anon
Pomu's merch also always outsold Elira's merch. It wasn't even a contest. Niji would have needed a second or perhaps even a third Elira to keep up with Pomu, not even Selen made that much in merch.
Anonymous No.103607319 >>103607507 >>103607835 >>103651075
Was it not common knowledge by now that Niji is THE company to go to if you're a man and wanna try to fuck some women for free? and even if you're aggressive about it and the women turn you down, the company will protect you anyway since women there have no power. It's a very diddy-like rapey sort of place, absolutely the best place for current male vtubers to go to. If you're a woman and join nijisanji on purpose it should be illegal for you to ever bitch about sexpest borderline rapist male coworkers because that's what the company is for, that's who they hire on purpose. Women are the accessories for men. They are the opposite of hololive almost in every single way and people STILL find it shocking that the niji males get away with everything.
Anonymous No.103607507
>>103607319
>Was it not common knowledge by now that Niji is THE company to go to if you're a man and wanna try to fuck some women for free? and even if you're aggressive about it and the women turn you down, the company will protect you anyway since women there have no power. It's a very diddy-like rapey sort of place, absolutely the best place for current male vtubers to go to. If you're a woman and join nijisanji on purpose it should be illegal for you to ever bitch about sexpest borderline rapist male coworkers because that's what the company is for, that's who they hire on purpose. Women are the accessories for men. They are the opposite of hololive almost in every single way and people STILL find it shocking that the niji males get away with everything.
I think you're more confused about why Riku Tazumi hasn't been found dangling off the side of his yacht with his balls in his mouth. It's because we have virtually no class consciousness.
Anonymous No.103607835
>>103607319
Their business model rewards sexpesting. Just look at Ver Vermillion
Anonymous No.103607905 >>103607976 >>103608085
>>103605218 (OP)
She's right but nobody forced any of the niji girls to delegate themselves to collab accessories and cocksleeves
Anonymous No.103607956
>>103606510
>Millie was actively trying to purge Pomu's gachis by shipping her with Luca and helping her join the other girls.
Pomu played into that shit just as much as anyone else, stop coping.
Anonymous No.103607963 >>103608841
>>103605345
Yeah it was so cool when Jurard got to perform in front of the Emperor of Japan. Flayon's been killing it with all those concerts and albums too.
Anonymous No.103607976 >>103608150
>>103607905
They kind of did though.
They made a policy that gender discrimination is not allowed for collabs. The collabs are "first come first serve", so whoever signs up first can get in. Because the boys are super extremely motivated to push their way into girl collabs, it basically means girl collabs are impossible. There will always be some horny guy pushing his way in, and 5 of them in chat swarming around trying to get attention.
Anonymous No.103608085
>>103607905
They absolutely did.
They even tried to pay Twisty hush money.
Anonymous No.103608150 >>103608323
>>103607976
I don't dispute any of what you said, It's why niji EN was so terrible. But most of the girls (not all tbf) had no issue trying to play into the dynamic until all the male viewers starting leaving, the only girl I even remember telling Luca to fuck off instead of sucking his dick was Vivi.
Anonymous No.103608323
>>103608150
Pomu did it eventually, too. She even banned him from her channel. Dude was fucking obsessed with her for months before that, then immediately swapped his target to whoever the newest girl was. The guy simply can't exist without sexpesting or shipping himself with one of the girls.
Anonymous No.103608370
>>103605218 (OP)
What Niji EN Fanbase is there left to implode?
Anonymous No.103608589
>>103605218 (OP)
It surprise me it took them so long to notice it.
Nijisisters worked hard for years to drive away anyone that enjoys watching female vtubers. Attacking anyone that dare to have even a little complain.
And they got their wish granted last year. Pomu graduation, followed by Selen termination killed any female NijiEN potential to perform in EN market.
Anonymous No.103608841 >>103609212 >>103620670 >>103624729
>>103605366
>>103605457
>>103607963
they get morte than they deserve because they dont deserve ANYTHING. Jurard alone has fucking shat all over the brand so badly, god only knows how much he has actually cost them. They are a net negative and have made the company vastly worse by existing
Anonymous No.103609027 >>103609208 >>103609269 >>103612570 >>103651111
>>103605218 (OP)
>Thread unironically discusses dramatuber shit instead of telling OP to kill himself
Yeah this board is ruined
Anonymous No.103609153
>>103605415
>opinion
It's not an opinion, it's literally what she says in the clip retard
Anonymous No.103609208
>>103609027
Not a single person is discussing Rima or the content of her video, they're discussing the conflict and change in fanbase demographics - fairly civilly for once.
Anonymous No.103609212
>>103608841
ok gramps, now take your meds before you have an aneurysm.
Anonymous No.103609227 >>103609273 >>103615908 >>103651128
>>103607168
>I hate gatekeeping
Congratz, you're one of the ppl the gate exists to keep out
Anonymous No.103609269 >>103628289
>>103609027
Phaseboard, run back to your mommy in tower
Anonymous No.103609273 >>103609389 >>103609560
>>103609227
>wtf why is my oshi graduating? What do you mean my ARS superchats weren't enough to fund her costs of living?
Anonymous No.103609389 >>103609444 >>103616360 >>103633325 >>103650804
>>103609273
The fuck is ARS?
Anonymous No.103609426
>>103605366
Which is more than they deserve
Anonymous No.103609444 >>103609523
>>103609389
One of the NijiJP girls who doesn't make much money
Anonymous No.103609523
>>103609444
Gotcha, still won't watch her tho
Anonymous No.103609560
>>103609273
funny how every single woman who left niji is doing much better outside of it but most of the men have flopped or disappeared entirely
Anonymous No.103612433
>>103605345
Men are simply better and more deserving of everything
Anonymous No.103612479
>>103605345
Most retarded post I've seen today, congratulations
Anonymous No.103612488
>>103605218 (OP)
No, but Nijisis like >>103605345 exist who will do things tibetan monks can’t just to deny reality and being retarded.
Anonymous No.103612570
>>103609027
Nijipsyop to change the thread, Nijisis crying over the truth being told once again, NIJISEETHE
Anonymous No.103612959
>>103605867
Sisters, your schizo escaped from your thread.
Anonymous No.103615237
>>103605867
You're right
Anonymous No.103615908 >>103621919 >>103625616
>>103609227
>Congratz, you're one of the ppl the gate exists to keep out
Congratz to you. You piled enough shit under the rock you live beneath that normal people have finally decided to deal with the smell. If your response to this is "I'd rather not have a rock to live beneath than be asked to deal with my shit" then normal people will oblige you.
Anonymous No.103615943
>>103605345
yeah they do, the men audience haha
Anonymous No.103616360
>>103609389
"Acute Radiation Sickness" aka too much direct exposure to the shiny green rocks
Anonymous No.103616401
>>103605345
the EN homoshitters are literally DEI hires of Cover/Hololive Production
Anonymous No.103618921 >>103621875
>>103605218 (OP)
We've known this for years. Yugo got a slap on the wrist because he is from Noctyx. Zaion, Selen, and Twisty got fucked in the ass in part because they're discardable women.

Aster gets a slap on the wrist despite the fact literally not one of his coworkers would voluntarily vouch for him. Not because of who he is, but because he's still part of the male brand that Niji EN so clearly loves.
Anonymous No.103619264 >>103621367
>>103605345
They literally segregate the sexpests at events, beggarchama
Anonymous No.103619649
>>103605345
If they favored men then we would get a real gamer in stars en.
Anonymous No.103620246
>>103605564
>Phase
Like it has been popular in the past. No NijiEN did the most damage to the EN scene because their guys were nothing like the JP equivalent who used humour and skill to stand out for themselves. Your entire male branch pandered to fujos.
Anonymous No.103620282
>>103605701
You had girls who could easily surpass the guys but were kept in line by management and it looks like with evidence present other livers.
Anonymous No.103620397 >>103621711
>>103605867
>>103606214
Perfect summary of the history of NijiEN that eventually lead to their preferences of supporting trouble makers at the expense of a good business. But Rikus plan was accelerate so the JP side was always ok since the male EN niche was the larger slice of the viewer pie.
Anonymous No.103620670 >>103625961 >>103626523 >>103626629
>>103608841
Jurard hasn’t done much of anything if you’re not mentally ill. No one whose opinion matters is sitting around seething over a guy writing β€œhappy birthday!” to the wrong girl on xitter
Anonymous No.103621106
>>103606415
>phase is too small to have an effect there.
Pippa being from a beloved streamer are now catering to reactslop and garbage game. No more real world commentary, only reaction video.
Anonymous No.103621367
>>103619264
that was possibly my favorite part of that fags whining. the guys don't even ride in the same vehicles as the girls
Anonymous No.103621479
>>103605218 (OP)
Niji sisters… you have some explaining to do!!!
Anonymous No.103621613
>>103605345
You literally talk about it every single fucking day on this fucking awful website
Anonymous No.103621711 >>103621735 >>103621815 >>103649695 >>103651174
>>103620397
(1/2)
There's a lot more to the history. I will go through a brief summary.

Golden Age: Lazulight/Obsydia era
-- These talents were greater than the sum of their parts. Individually they were just average streamers, but their group-dynamic was something fresh, new, and fun. Holo had the best individual streamers, but Lazylight and Obsydia had the best "group".
-- Open VC culture was something new and fresh, and something really fun that created some of the most memorable moments.
-- One of the most anticipated collabs since the very beginning was Selen and Elira's collab. Which, strangely, never happened.
Ethyria:
-- A group of nepo-hires. They were very weak and nobody really liked them. Millie was by far the most anticipated one, but underperformed. They were frustrated, and complaining about being "forgotten". They felt they "deserved" more.

The Shattering: Luxiem era
-- Males debuted. Initially they were low viewed, but caught fire with Kpop viewers, especially in China. Within a few months they were mega-popular stars. Although their viewers were slightly lower than Holo, their income was way higher.
-- The male fans at this point started getting angry about the Luxiem guys joining every collab with their oshis, often with extremely sexual comments about their dicks. It's certain the girls lost a lot of male fans here. Management decided to completely end open-VC culture.
-- More guys debuted, less popular this time, but still doing alright. They were rushed out quickly to capitalize on the success. Even Hololive started preparing male talents of their own.
-- For the first few months, the girls kept their distance. But Ethyria was licking their chops, seeing viewers and money they desired. So all of them took a male ship, and started pushing collabs with the guys. They were doing so well, the Lazulight and Obsydia girls were heavily pressured to join them.

ILuna: The first disaster
-- The first mixed wave, to fully bring Nijisanji culture to the EN market.
-- Whoever designed this wave had a femdom fetish. They made the guys short and weak, and encouraged the girls to be aggressive and bully them. They even hired Aia, who has a shrill unlistenable voice, because she was willing to do femdom content.
-- This was a disastrous decision. The female fans were angry that the girls were being "mean", and didn't like the undersized male models. The female fans were largely coomers and desperate for more bishonen models they could fap to.
-- Within a month ILuna was shitting the bed with low 3-view streams, the first in the history of the branch. Despite having the biggest debut in Nijisanji history. In fact the entire branch started a downturn.

The collapse
-- The mixed gender content did not go over very well. Reimu was eager to ship herself with Vox, and invaded his BFE ASMR stream, which caused intense backlash from his fans. At this point, Vox started to decline, along with the males in general.
-- The fans who came in were largely chinese/asian, and didn't understand Western norms, and were easily offended. Many of them didn't even speak English and were just here for a fap. They started moving on.
-- At this point, Ethyria was bragging about the "progress" they made in changing Vtuber culture. Enna became obsessed with purging parasocial fans. She started doing blatant NTR streams, and invited Kyo into her bedroom, and streamed with him from her bedroom holding his hand. Unfortunately, this worked all too well in driving away fans.
-- In early 2023, NijiEN started completely collapsing. Views were imploding rapidly for all the boys, and the girls too.
-- The new XSoliel wave was another disappointment. Extremely poor hiring choices. Two girls were just JP members hired by nepotism, and the other was fired almost immediately.
-- AR Live was a massive show for Luxiem, for which the Luxiem boys recorded in Japan. But Elira insisted that all the waves preceding them be included too. This was obviously impossible, so the show was cancelled. In response the Luxiem guys had a total meltdown, protesting management openly on twitter. They largely gave up and stopped streaming in protest.
-- In response to the collapsing audience, Ethyria tried to generate "drama", believing this would draw interest. Shitting on coworkers during collabs, tierlist streams, insulting people.This came to a head during the Secret GC stream, where they openly shat on 4chan and mocked their coworkers in a petty nasty stream, mostly instigated by Enna. Both Enna and Millie were suspended.
-- By late 2023, the branch was a shell of itself. The boys were down 3/4 of their audience, and the girls were down 60%. Nina had left, Mysta had left, and it was rumored that even Pomu might leave soon (spoiler, she did)
Anonymous No.103621735 >>103621815 >>103622028 >>103649695 >>103651221
>>103621711
(2/2)

The Selen Shock
-- At this point, it was clear that some really bad shit was going on behind the scenes with management.
-- The top girl was Selen, although her ccv had been slumped recently as she had been massively depressed and barely trying.
-- Finally management pushed her too far by blocking her christmas cover, and she snapped. After "vanishing" her for a few weeks, and editing her out of official artworks, they fired her.
-- She redebuted to a massive audience wondering what the hell just happened. She explained that she had a suicide attempt due to being the target of a bullying campaign by other members.
-- Later during one of her first gameplay streams, Nijisanji struck back. They did the infamous "blackscreen stream" timed to directly overlap Doki's stream. In this stream, it was revealed that Doki was suing NijiEN, and had named Enna, Millie, and Elira as her bullies.
-- They dropped screenshots showing that Doki had violated a management order. But this was beside the point. Clearly management and their absurd rules were a problem, and they did nothing about the bullying. In fact the whole video looked like another vicious and petty attack against her, even after she tried to leave the company.
-- This caused public opinion to turn radically against NijiEN. They all went on haitus for a month. When they came back, their audience was a tiny shell of what it was before.

The Parade year
-- Ironically, this year was planned to be a massive fanfare for NijiEN. Tons of events, 3D debuts, AR Live, the corporation was giving them everything they ever asked for.
-- Nobody watched it. Extremely low numbers, money down the toilet. Elira constantly bragged about all the stuff she was getting though, like she was mocking the people who left.
-- The new waves were tremendous disappointments. Absolutely flops, getting low 3view numbers. Numerous members graduated as fast as possible.
-- In late 2024, Ike randomly blocked Ethyria on twitter. Nobody knows why. But the very next year he vanished without a trace. Not just graduated, vanished completely. Channel wiped.
-- Also in late 2024, one of the new hires Twisty had logs drop alleging she had been sexually harassed by one of the males, Aster. This created another huge dramastorm.
-- NijiEN's policy now? Minimize drama at all costs. Rather than firing Twisty or Aster, they just suspended them for 8 months, and then quietly fired them the next year.

The die-off
-- In 2025, people just started leaving. Graduation, after graduation, after graduation.
-- Now over half the girls hired have graduated. Soon there will be more in the graveyard than active talents.
-- The BTB wave dropped, announced at Nijifes in Japanese. All gay men, in Luxiem clone outfits. They seemed to be a "clean slate" departure from the old branch, and focused mostly on Asia. This signalled the future of the branch.
-- The final members are now being strongly encouraged to move to Japan. A dozen have made the move. It seems NijiEN will be focused more on Japan.
Anonymous No.103621815 >>103621984 >>103621999
>>103621711
>>103621735
This is missing most of the behind the scenes drama and the VShojo poaching arc that involved Sayu, Matara, and Mint. Otherwise it’s pretty good.
Anonymous No.103621875
>>103618921
>Yugo got a slap on the wrist because he is from Noctyx
Yugo got a slap on the wrist because they were smart and lawyered up immediately before they could even draft a black stream.
Anonymous No.103621919 >>103623165 >>103651243
>>103615908
>Not realizing normies and tourists are the fucking problem
Retard
Anonymous No.103621984 >>103626637
>>103621815
NTA but I don't think it's relevant after Kuro. Mint never debuted and Sayu got shafted before anything even began because of course she did.
Hex and Kyo leaving for their shot was their own idiocy. The only ones whom we can confirm got poached directly from Niji were Matara, Kuro, and Michi.
Anonymous No.103621999 >>103626637
>>103621815
I think you mean Sayu, Matara, Kyo, and Hex (and maybe Mysta/Mika? Not sure). Mint wasn't poached. You could rrat that Matara groomed Mint into wanting to join herself, but Mint didn't leave Niji for the purpose of joining Vshojo.
Anonymous No.103622028 >>103622409
>>103621735
I love how when we shit posted them and attached the Black company label to them. We predicted what their most logical moves are too survive and the abandonment of NijiEN was the only way to accelerate JP branches where the money is at. Sisters seethed so hard about NijiENs relevancy.
Anonymous No.103622409 >>103634151
>>103622028
NijiEN was relevant on the west. No, it wasn't HoloEN, but still managed to be second on this side of the world. That hardly means they were nobodies, they could still pull numbers, have 4view streams when your average EN indie and corpo chuuba would be a forever 3view unless they were on vshojo (and even so, some of them never managed to break 1k CCV ever). It's just that Riku, the managers and the organs just kept shooting themselves in the foot every week.
>constantly shifting their target audience
>vomiting new gens every few months, which led to organs cannibalizing fans
>work environment was fucking chernobyl-tier
>shitting too much on their fans (parasocial fucks, the "girls only" offcollab, and so on)
>full white-collar decisions without caring about their talents, the sub plates drama is the most white-collar retarded issue I could've ever read
>every decision was made a posteriori, everything management did was reacting instead of acting
>management having clear favorites
It's a fucking mess and will be contracted to JP just like the ID did. Where they can pull their bullshit because JP culture is way too submissive.
Anonymous No.103622819
>>103605218 (OP)
Kinda based
Anonymous No.103623161
>>103605218 (OP)
Men do better in Niji than woman do. Just like how women do better in Holo than men do. Its just basic knowledge.
Anonymous No.103623165 >>103624753 >>103629179 >>103630566 >>103630732
>>103621919
>>Not realizing normies and tourists are the fucking problem
>Retard
They're a problem for you, chud. You have no defense for the aggressively clueless liberals who wander into this space. They can make the most obviously true surface-level observations about your culture, and because you're stupid, you're completely incapable of returning fire. You just REEEE out the same slur vomit and goatse yourself for the Dildo of Consequences every time.
Anonymous No.103623868 >>103625571
>>103605345
You're joking, right?
Holostars are swimming against current 80-90% of the time and struggle with getting paid because most attention and money go to Holo women, guys get written off often because they are seen as competition or as unappealing and on top of all that they have to deal with insane corporate limitations. Only way to make money as a male streamer is to be either really funny and engaging to watch (something like CaseOh or Jerma) or be really good at something (either really good artist or pro tier player at competitive multiplayer games). Compared to Hololive/DEV_IS, Holostars looks like WNBA.
Anonymous No.103623974 >>103624572
>>103605701
No, Nijisanji overall problem is nepotism and favoritism. The ones who make most money are the ones who are part of clique and are favored by managers (in EN's case it's Elira because she's the top dog of the mountain of shit). If you aren't management's favorite, you'll be fighting for scraps. It's simple as that.
Anonymous No.103624549
>>103605218 (OP)
Even the piece of shit super Nijistan that is Maegixx is beginning to crumble and this turd was even to look past the Aster stuff while the likes of Nbinted walked off.
Anonymous No.103624572 >>103650532
>>103623974
Its why the Black Stream was on her channel too after admitting to volunteering for it.
Anonymous No.103624729
>>103608841
WHO!?
Anonymous No.103624753 >>103630130
>>103623165
>Chud
Outing yourself is crazy work reddit is in the other direction tho troon
Anonymous No.103625571
>>103623868
>Holostars looks like WNBA
Wait wait you got something here
Holostars 3D stream, every time someone members, a green dildo gets thrown on the stage
Anonymous No.103625616
>>103615908
Dumb take. If there's a demand for dirty unhygienic living spaces under rocks and you remove their rock, someone else will provide another rock. Because there's demand.
You will never remove these people from the hobby no matter how much you wish you could. You will never convince them to stop wanting what they want.
Anonymous No.103625870
>>103605345
No matter how much you try to force them in, they'll always be unpopular and ERB has proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt. They aren't popular and it's time to accept it instead of going on this weird crusade to force it down everyone's throat
Anonymous No.103625961 >>103625974
>>103620670
>Jurard hasn’t done much of anything if you’re not mentally ill.

you'd be retarded to think
https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

isn't nothing
Anonymous No.103625974
>>103625961
you're right.
Because it is nothing. Glad you agree, anon.
Anonymous No.103626183
>>103605345
like the WNBA, they're given more money than they deserve
Anonymous No.103626401 >>103626409 >>103651273
Rosemi loves her unicorns huh
Anonymous No.103626409 >>103627025
>>103626401
She shouldn't have any. She's Niji, after all.
Anonymous No.103626523 >>103626554
>>103620670
>β€œhappy birthday!”
I think he's referring to his comments later about "hate marketing", "I'm closer to them than you'll ever be", "they're not who you think they are behind the scenes" etc
Anonymous No.103626554 >>103626672 >>103626737
>>103626523
>"they're not who you think they are behind the scenes"
Neither are wrong, though?
The latter comment especially. A lot of crazy fans think of their oshis as untouchable gods when they're just people behind a screen with their own lives to live.
Anonymous No.103626629 >>103626660 >>103651295
>>>103620670
You're mentally ill if you think hatemarketing is a legitimate business practice you shouldn't be ostracized for. He didn't say Happy Birthday to "the wrong girl" because he knew this response would come. He knew he'd get attention if he harasses Kanata, and yes, this is harassment because he doesn't give a RAT's ass about her - he's using her to get attention online, which is the most disrespectful thing a Holostars EN member could do. These dudes are getting carried by the mother branch earning five times if not more than they are so it's to be EXPECTED that this RETARD informs himself about the girls he's talking to before he does it. But no, instead he spergs out about his hate marketing bullshit and drags his superiors into the dirt for attention.

I'll never forgive Jurard for anything until he publicly apologizes and swears not to do hate marketing again. If he thinks this is how he needs to behave in Hololive Entertainment he should be terminated.
Anonymous No.103626637
>>103621984
>>103621999
I listed everyone who matters. No more.
Anonymous No.103626660
>>103626629
I need to addendum correct Hololive Production, not Hololive Entertainment, I was multi tasking being a retard.
Anonymous No.103626672 >>103626801
>>103626554
I think he meant that they’re insatiable cock whores who use and abuse men at their pleasure.
Anonymous No.103626737
>>103626554
Never said he's wrong, but it breaks kayfabe for the people he talks about (in this case all of HoloEN) without their input, which makes their fans angry, disillusions them, and possibly makes them leave.
It's likely most Holos are liberal troon supporters that get plowed every night by randoms/their boyfriends/husbands, but we don't need to know that. We're here to escape these themes with illusionary entertainment, and disrupting that will cause us to seek it elsewhere. It's why everyone in HoloPro, girls and boys, need to be careful about what they say, both for themselves and each other. Jurard broke that rule, hence he got shat on.
Anonymous No.103626775
Sea Hours posting
Anonymous No.103626801
>>103626672
Why on earth would you think that's what he meant?
Anonymous No.103627025
>>103626409
Niji is for people who want to see male/female interactions. You barely get that in Holo after all
Anonymous No.103627947 >>103628181
>>103605345
Oh if only this is true. It would be funny, but this is not true. Homostars are second class citizens. They could only enjoy the crumb left by the girls.
Anonymous No.103628035
>>103605345
>BUT WHAT ABOUT HOLO REEEE
Anonymous No.103628181
>>103627947
As all male vtubers should be
Anonymous No.103628289 >>103634358
>>103609269
>thread about nijigirl
>can't stop thinking about holoschlong
Hmmmm
Anonymous No.103628303
>>103605345
Something something segregation bus
Anonymous No.103629179
>>103623165
>Outted this easy
Kys reddit troon and don't forget to post it on internet for updoots too
Anonymous No.103630130
>>103624753
>Outing yourself is crazy work reddit is in the other direction tho troon
I shan't be leaving.
Anonymous No.103630384
>>103605345
(You)
Anonymous No.103630566 >>103633351
>>103623165
The redditor schmuckles about his assured victory while the world burns around him
Anonymous No.103630732 >>103633351
>>103623165
How upset do you get when people down doot your stars posts on the Hololive subreddit?
Anonymous No.103633325 >>103633371 >>103640213
>>103609389
since no one is answering I'll let you know.

ARS is shorthand for a superchat, usually an AKA, or gifted memberships paid in Argentina currency. You can get a akasupa for like a buck USD after exchanges
Anonymous No.103633351
>>103630566
>>103630732
I don't post on Reddit. Its multithreaded formatting is terrible.
Anonymous No.103633371
>>103633325
>ARS is shorthand for a superchat, usually an AKA, or gifted memberships paid in Argentina currency. You can get a akasupa for like a buck USD after exchanges
or you could try getting a job
Anonymous No.103634151 >>103634572 >>103634770
>>103622409
I'm not a numbernigger, but how many viewers does Niji EN even get anymore? I remember people joking about a unit of measurement called a "Finana" of which a single unit equals 300 viewers. I had always assumed anons were just exaggerating, but if Niji EN really is in 3view territory, than that would make them a smaller branch than Phase EN
Anonymous No.103634358
>>103628289
It's twofold: Nijifucks desperately want to push the idea that everything wrong with Niji is going on in other corpos, especially Holo. And holofags here are so mindbroken by homococks that they can be easily baited by their mere existence, making them the perfect distraction.
Anonymous No.103634534
>>103605218 (OP)
I stopped caring about Niji after Lulu's graduation. I know Tsukino Mito is still around, but I was never particularly attracted to her.
Anonymous No.103634572
>>103634151
>how many viewers does Niji EN even get anymore?
That's actually a genuinely good question. Their CCV is trending upwards lately, but that's almost entirely due to bots; and their live chat comments, superchat comments, and superchat revenue are largely unchanged (or may actually be decreasing in some cases)
Also the company tacitly admitted to the shareholders that they're botting the livers' streams. They were asked about the branch's revenue going down, and they answered by bragging that the branch's KPI was going up.
Anonymous No.103634770 >>103635347 >>103649935
>>103634151
NijiEN has been getting botted pretty badly for the past 6 months.
Here's an example:
>6 hour stream
>Over 4000 "people" watching
>Only 290 people seen in chat over the entire 6 hour stream
Anonymous No.103635347 >>103635583
>>103634770
Interesting. What tool is this? and are all nijisanji english streams like this?
Anonymous No.103635583 >>103635834
>>103635347
https://vrabi.net/
And yes most of them are like this.
Anonymous No.103635834 >>103636302
>>103635583
how do you make it show the number of chat posters?
Anonymous No.103636302 >>103636553
>>103635834
Just open up any completed stream (not currently live) and scroll down a bit
https://vrabi.net/video/V1ssHSTNOTI
Anonymous No.103636553 >>103636695 >>103636748
>>103636302
holy shit this is bleak as fuck. For reference, this is Dizzy's stream yesterday (pic related). https://vrabi.net/video/wRJX57QwunU
You'd think with all these Nijisanji threads, they would be more popular. I never would have imagined that they would be getting mogged by Dizzy of all people.
Anonymous No.103636695
>>103636553
A couple of the Niji males are still doing somewhat okay, but the majority of the audience for the women is gone. The only exceptions are Scarle and Aia, who have small communities but filled with oilers.
Anonymous No.103636748 >>103636972
>>103636553
It's sad. I miss that poi site. It kept up with chat speed on a bunch of indies, too.
Despite being larger than most of phase combined, doki/mint/nimi/saba aren't tracked beyond simple ccv on rabi because they're not corpos.
Anonymous No.103636972 >>103637041 >>103637806
>>103636748
Hololyzer does some similar tracking for indies, but it's not as clean, nor is the data polled as frequently as it is on Vrabi.
Anonymous No.103637041
>>103636972
Yeah but it's also a lot messier to look at a glance.
I'm not actually much of a numberfag but it was sort of fun keeping up with my oshi's growth because playboard is dumb and wants you to pay to check shit.
Anonymous No.103637806
>>103636972
For tracking ccv for indies, Vstats has the most frequent polling (1min), followed by Vrabi (5min for indies), Hololyzer (7min?), and Playboard (10min)
For superchats, Hololyzer updates within a few seconds, whereas Playboard can take a while to update. Every once in a while Hololyzer glitches and doesn't track properly, so sometimes it's good to compare to Playboard just to verify.
For things like memberships, chat speed, number of chatters, etc. Hololyzer is the only option, as Vrabi only does that sort of tracking for corpos that have JP branches (hence why Phase is tracked).
Anonymous No.103638644
>>103605474
Fuck off, all of that shit existed before Nijisanji and Hololive even existed, which was long before your ass heard of vtubers.
Stop fucking trying to invent fake history to attack Nijisanji, they have enough real history to do that, they don't need any more.
Drama grifting fucks were around before Hololive blew up on this site and the /jp/ thread lasted weeks at a time.
Vtubing in its entirety blowing up naturally resulted in an increase in grifters trying to make a buck off of gossip, it happens in every damn industry that involves people. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS.

Probably even one of those retards that thinks vtubers were pure and wholesome CGDGT bullshit and all these "whores" are invaders. lmao
Anonymous No.103640213 >>103640361 >>103644557
>>103633325
Why would those ppl in thrird world countries spend a half of their monthly wage to superchat
Anonymous No.103640361 >>103640516
>>103640213
They don't, that's the point. People fool YouTube into thinking they're from Argentina so they can get akasupas for virtually nothing; most ARS supas and gifted memberships are from people who live in first world countries.
Anonymous No.103640516 >>103651322
>>103640361
hesus christ, so glad i don't give money to women
Anonymous No.103644557 >>103645096
>>103640213
the conversion rate is crazy and overcorrecting, it doesnt even cost them that much to aka
Anonymous No.103645096
>>103644557
jesus christ, i i jsut lost a a scratc ticket worth more than ARS
Anonymous No.103648989
>>103605345
>barely any 3Ds
>barely any sponsorships
>barely any merch
>don't perform in Holofes
Its more showing about how Cover has more consideration compared to Anycolor.
Anonymous No.103649695 >>103650404
>>103621711
>>103621735
Reading all the summaries, it almost feels like a fever dream. After experiencing Holo's own yabs like the China war against Coco and Rushia's meltdown, it still feels like it paled in comparison to all of the shit that happened, and keeps happening, within NijiEN. Pomu crying on stream because of a lost "once in a lifetime opportunity", Selen's suicide attempt, the black screen, Reimu's "an attempt" and pretending to puke at seeing Doki's homage in a game, Enna unmasking herself at being a tremendous and unlikeable piece of shit, and all of the sexual harassment that went relatively unpunished, with Aster being such a massive offender that it still surprises me how he wasn't sued to hell and went to "graduate" relatively fine while Twisty was publicly executed by using her leaked "racist" conversation as an excuse. Japanese corporate culture is one hell of a circus, and no one's laughing anymore.

And as much as I still watch Scarle and Maria here and there, it still feels wrong giving NijiEN a view especially when they're viewbotting so shamelessly hard that they can reach over 2k viewers per stream while the chat barely moves. At least Rosemi is finally out.
Anonymous No.103649935 >>103650500
>>103634770
I watched Maria playing Muse Dash a few days ago, something I rarely do because her streams are always at inconvenient hours. Over 2k viewers and I swear a whole minute or two could pass without a single comment in chat. And I know the girl is trying really hard to be relevant, I keep seeing her dancing shorts pop up in YT almost daily (bless her legs) but at this point I can only feel pity for her, like she's trying so hard to be noticed, but she's from NijiEN.
Anonymous No.103650183
>>103605345
Homos are in a funny position tho, for one hand they (probably still) are the pet project of the head honcho and this was very notorious in jp and en (at least in tempus era) but reading comments from said homos apparently these days are over by now in both branches
Anonymous No.103650404
>>103649695
It honestly still doesn't feel real. I still get a little sick thinking about what my money actually went towards. I really believed in the niji family up until zaion, and then the selen termination crushed any potential hope I had left.
t. former famelira/aloupeep
Anonymous No.103650466 >>103651558
>>103605525
Fishman would do anything to complete his set of tsunderia girls, and that is going to be phase's demise
Anonymous No.103650500
>>103649935
Maria's a strange case. She's basically Rosemi 2, both in design and actual career. She does her best to stand out but always fades to the background.
She's always been pumping out covers and content like they're nothing, and even had that little spat with management over her cover with zaion.
She seems like a good egg who's being completely wasted by Nijisanji refusing to put any actual investment into her.

Something that really hit me hard was when Doki said that the reason Selen always was coming up with events and projects was because she was... bored. The staff never actually bothered to give them work or do much of anything, so Selen, in her boredom and excessive amounts of free time, started organizing shit herself and thus was "disrupting workflow."
Anonymous No.103650532
>>103624572
>What else could they possibly do?
Clueless even compared to Vshojo,
letting lust exploit ignorance every time.
Anonymous No.103650804
>>103609389
To be absolutely fair, colombian pesos are way worse
Anonymous No.103650836 >>103650872 >>103650972
Is there any difference between /vt/ and Megalia at this point? Good lord I never thought I'd see the day where 4chan sides with radical feminists
Anonymous No.103650865
>>103605345
Let's assume you're right based on the fact that most people are in agreement with you. How come I don't see Holostars getting a whole Fes for them or being a part of big collabs with sponsors? Just because they use the studio for a few days means they're heavily favored? OK anon, I give up. You win.
Anonymous No.103650872 >>103651045 >>103651354
>>103650836
I wouldn't really consider Rosemi to be a "radical feminist"
Anonymous No.103650972
>>103650836
No because it's funny as shit to laugh at koreans for being so fucking insecure that a dick joke is enough to make them blind with impotent rage.

God, koreans are so fucking pathetic. It just makes me laugh.
Look at the teeny tiny protest balloon they made to fly over Mihoyo's HQ because the guy they actually hired to rent a blimp ran off with their money. It's so perfect.
Anonymous No.103651013
>>103605867
Unicorns have moved onto VAllure now so you can stop pretending they want cute, wholesome, and seiso content. Unless you're mindbroken into believing VAllure is just that because le no male collabs and you're mindbroken by one off male collabs in Hololive that did nothing to hurt anyone's CCV
Anonymous No.103651033
>>103605345
Holodrones didn't like this one
Anonymous No.103651045
>>103650872
That's not even her quote. Some dramafag Rima bs made to bait people into thinking she said that.
Anonymous No.103651075 >>103651126
>>103607319
>every male in Nijisanji is Shindo Raito
Even harmless ones like Maimoto? Come on anon, stop pretending to be retarded.
Anonymous No.103651111
>>103609027
Jannies are friends with the dramatubers that get shilled here too
Anonymous No.103651126 >>103651405
>>103651075
Maimoto was cool. He used to like Selen
I'd assume that's no longer the case so he is no longer cool.
Anonymous No.103651128
>>103609227
And what do you bring to this hobby other than fighting needless culture wars?
Anonymous No.103651174
>>103621711
God willing if Luxiem never existed maybe NijiEN would be ahead of HoloEN.
I'd be OK with it. I don't care about some stupid horserace but God almighty unicorns are insufferable. And I'm saying this as someone who isn't exactly fond of most male VTubers myself.
Anonymous No.103651221
>>103621735
That's long term success in the end because the West's viability as a market (outside Hololive, which we both know has a monpoly there) is vastly overplayed.
Anonymous No.103651243
>>103621919
You are one yourself you just don't realize it yet.
Thanks to Elon Musk, fighting dumb culture wars like the one you're fighting right now is en vogue.
Anonymous No.103651273 >>103651456
>>103626401
She unironically has more than most of Hololive. Pomu had the most unicorns of any EN VTuber there was.
Anonymous No.103651280
>numbermonkeys seething so much about Nijisanji's success that they're numberfagging the amount of people speaking in chats

rormao, you fucking lost
Anonymous No.103651295
>>103626629
>Hololive Entertainment
Christ, I don't even with you tourists
Thanks Ernoul, for inviting culture war fags into the hobby.
Anonymous No.103651322
>>103640516
No one here does, let's not kid ourselves into thinking people here do. They don't. You're punching walls. Take it up with actual fans, see how you get dealt with.
Anonymous No.103651354
>>103650872
No I know that, but this anti-male sentiment is stuff that would make the craziest radfems moist as fuck.
Have some self-awareness lmao
Anonymous No.103651405 >>103651434
>>103651126
Well to compare people like him to Jurard is extremely pathetic and only those who understand that there are entertaining Male VTubers out there, you get outclassed by 100 retards that think ALL OF THEM are Jurards.
Anonymous No.103651434 >>103651479
>>103651405
No, I agree with you.
I'm just annoyed and bitter. Don't mind me.
Anonymous No.103651456 >>103651513
>>103651273
I highly doubt NijiEN girls who have a history of collabing with males would have more unicorns than FWMC or Biboo.
Anonymous No.103651479 >>103651506
>>103651434
And I'll say it again because I don't even like most Male VTubers and I don't give a fuck about who collabs with who because everyone thinks I'm a homobeggar because I watch some of them, the Raitos and Jurards are literally two out of thousands so maybe see things for yourselves before you culture war.
Anonymous No.103651506
>>103651479
Oh that wasn't me.
I just joined in to be lightly bitter at maimoto.
Anonymous No.103651513 >>103651645
>>103651456
Anon, I was joking. Before you started posting here Pomucorns were a fucking force and they used Selen and Rosemi as some anti-Luxiem/Noctyx faction even though they all acknowledged them.
Anonymous No.103651558
>>103650466
Amiya never ever.
Anonymous No.103651645 >>103651817
>>103651513
Thank god that's over with.
Anonymous No.103651817
>>103651645
Yeah really. I always found the long suffering unicorns for NijiEN to be very cringe. At least in HoloEN the moment you interact with a male you are d-o-n-e. These Niji ones give way too many chances.