Thread 103963996

>early morning meetings
Didn’t she leave holo and go indie literally to escape these mandatory Japanese corporate meetings?

>>103963996 (OP)
Why are Japs so dumb? She didn't ask much

>>103963996 (OP)
She left to make more money what’s not to understand?

Hold your horses Cover fanboy, she made her business email available just a week ago

>>103963996 (OP)
RRRART
she returning to hololive after seeing ame in NYC and nimi lies

>had a whole bunch of merch deals and other shit setup suspiciously shortly after her holo graduation
She 100% signed with some unnamed partner behind the scenes and is only indie in appearances.

>>103963996 (OP)
>Day 1 merch
>Trademarks and copyrights everything related to Saba using a bunch of shell corpos headed by lawyers
She left for the money. Unfortunately she pulled a kson and didn't account for the fact that she'd fall off and now has to collect as much money as possible before it's too late.

>>103964182
Why are you acting like there isn't a cull happening right now?

She been said she making business moves behind the scenes. She didn't file a Saba Trademark for nothing. She's got something cooking in the background.

>>103964179
>>103964182
Didn’t she also hire some lawyers as well? Why does everyone (including her) pretend she’s a dumb bumbling innocent one man operation retard who doesn’t know what she’s doing? She’s being smarter than like 95% of all chuubas out there, and not just with this, but with opsec too.

>>103963996 (OP)
anon this has to be bait there's no way you're serious

huge difference between meetings for things you want to do and mandatory meetings where you're told that you can't play any of the 100 games you asked for

>>103964179
That is probably the case for a lot of them.

>>103964114
>Goes from 350k average VOD views to 100k

That worked out fine, didn't it?

>>103964414
Yah. Plus she literally registered her own LLC for Saba merch. So technically, she doesn't own her own model, her LLC owns it.

>>103963996 (OP)
>Did somebody say "coffee"?

>>103964182
She made a lot of money as Gura
She made a lot of money as Saba, at least her first month was crazy profitable as she doesn't have to split her YT money with anyone, but YT.
Now she's using her money to get somethings started.

>>103964414
>but with opsec too.
Considering how she's never really been hit with anything substantial doxwise it shows that she's smarter than she appears.

>>103964414
Mori also hired lawyers to look over her contracts but we all know she is dumb

>>103964456
If she made $10K a month (after YT's cut) with Cover corp and had to split 50% with Cover, Gura only kept $5k of that.
If she fell down to $6-7k a month as Saba, but keeps all of it, she still making more than she did with Cover.
Same goes with her Merch sales, she keeps all the profit from those.

>>103963996 (OP)
Those corporate meetings aren't two parties doing business.
They are one party discussing the fake business they aren't going to do.
Not wanting to deal with the endless pestering, vacillation, and red tape isn't the same as not wanting to actually make business deals.
She is doing what is necessary to move forward with the projects she wants to do right now and not having them canceled and obstructed by random bug people.

>>103963996 (OP)
This was the complete opposite of what she was saying. With her personality, the one she publicly displays, I’d make more sense to coast off of members and play whatever games you want whenever you want. Signing contracts, going to meeting and talking to people to make business arrangements isn’t something a shy anxious person would do. Especially since she (assumedly) made millions in holo and has enough stashed up to not have to work for at least one lifetime.

very few large indies are actually indies heck as much as vt memes about Dokicorp its a real thing granted for tax purposes most big streamers also have a corpo for tax purposes

>>103964596
Literally every vtuber in the industry lies anon, welcome to 2025. Also I thought you retards were into the whole playing a character thing. Why do you care if she’s pretending to be retardedly anxious for the camera?

>>103963996 (OP)
Saba loli cunny

All in

>>103964560
>Same goes with her Merch sales, she keeps all the profit from those.
You clearly don't understand how merch sales work. Cover barely touches merch. The biggest cut from that comes from the manufacturer/distributer and this isn't something she's going to get a better deal on as an indie.

>>103964560
Nice try, Cover fanboy, but we all know that Cover releases merch like there's no tomorrow, but Saba only does it to fund her projects. Additionally, Saba does not have Superchats enabled or do sponsored streams and has to organize everything on her own. At best, you're just conjuring up hypothetical scenarios to get angry at, it's a lame tactic.

>>103964150
If I send her a cum tribute do you think she’ll watch it and schlick her wet little cunny to it?

>>103964596
She isn't making business arrangements herself. She hired a management team to work for her. She basically just need to be there to finalize stuffs or get briefed about sponsored / collab projects

>>103963996 (OP)
it's Dooby visiting since she's still nearby after going to AFO

>>103964560
This is under assumption that she only lost ~30% of income after going indie compared to back when she was still a corpo VTuber, which is very likely wrong.
She wasn't leaving because of money. She just wanted to chill at her own pace without having to deal with all bureaucratic stuffs (or at least, minimize the amount of things she has to deal with)

>>103963996 (OP)
She's getting a figure

>>103964799
Did you mean to reply to something else?

>>103963996 (OP)
>Kiara said Ame is busy despite not performing.
>Yagoo is there.
They are talking about their return. Ame will be back as Ame because she is affiliated, but Saba will be back as Saba & more like an indie for hire.

>>103964560
You are completely ignoring all the sponsorship stuff - which is actually where the real money is in. Corporate gigs like the baseball stuff, collabs with all kinds of companies both physical (collab cafe, konbini lotteries) and digital (guest character appearances etc.) - that's where Cover makes their money. "Superchat" money was never their focus. That's why their contracts are generous on that front and they take relatively small cuts. They know they are getting the big cake at home.

>>103964876
Considering she barely streamed as Gura, she definitely is making more as Saba, so far. She had projects cancelled in Hololive so she was clearly not a fan of management over there.

>>103964690
If Cover pays $5 to make a plushie and sells it for $25, they make $20 then that $20 gets split between Cover and the talent. Say Cover gets $5 and the Talent gets $15.
Now say Saba pays $20 to make a plushie (quadruple the price of what cover pays) but then she sells the plushie for $40 ($15 more than Hololive's plushies) she makes $20 and keeps it all. $20 > $15. Still a better deal.

>>103964937
This makes no sense

>>103965132
You're pulling numbers out of your ass and ignoring reality in an attempt to make things look better for her without Hololive. Stop that. Unless she starts her own merch production company or she sells herself as some CEO's personal cocksleeve what you're suggesting is not going to happen. That's not how businesses do that shit.

>>103965038
>Cover is generous
Sounds like Vshojo where they made 0 money. Not a good business move by Cover. In order for Cover to make a lot of money, that means they gotta keep least 50% of what they make and the rest goes to their talents. You don't buy a $60 Million studio by giving away more than $50 of your profits to your employees.

>>103963996 (OP)
that meeting? with ame

>>103965170
That's exactly how business works and why Saba, Nimi, Skauna, Ruka etc will continue to thrive outside of Hololive much to your confusion and seething. You think because they had better views in Hololive that means they made more money, completely ignoring the fact that everything they made in Holo they had to split it with Cover Corp by at least 50%

>>103963996 (OP)
She gloated that she can make business deal without Cover. Take that!!
>>103964596
It's good that she is smart otherwise Nimi will have no equal rival for the no.1 EN Vtuber title .
The Game Award Content Creator of the Year title will be compete between these two.

>>103964179
this is the majority of big "indies" anon

>>103965245
>That's exactly how business works
That's incorrect. If you're going to deny reality and insist your retarded hypothetical is fact then I'm just going to accept your concession here and stop feeding you (You)s. Stay retarded.

>>103964179
>>103963996 (OP)
Welcome to the indie world, my guy. You're fucking stupid if you think they're doing all this by themselves.

>>103965270
equal rival? lmao
game awards? LMAO
ESL-kun what the fuck are you even talking about, please work better on your bait and your English

>>103965356
Write down all the Math I just dropped on your monkey ass, take it to your Math Teacher at school and ask them which is the better deal, the indie "you keep all profits" route or the "you gotta split everything with the corp" route, show them the math and see what they tell you.

>>103963996 (OP)
Busy with my cock.

>>103965132
>Considering she barely streamed as Gura
Streaming isn't the main source of income for VTubers with Hololive level of popularity or higher. Merch is.
For example, Gura's iPass merch sold for at least $2.1M. Even assume that she only get a 10-20% cut, that would still be $200K-$400K - more than anything Saba would earn from streaming (especially when she doesn't even have SC on) - from *one* merch collabs.
You might say "Hey, so if Saba sells as many merch as Gura did, she'd make more money". Perhaps, but fact is that she doesn't sell anywhere nearly as many merch as Gura did and she doesn't release merch as often either.

>>103965381
Why do we call them indie then? Indie is one or two people working on a project by themselves, being independent. Saba has a whole shadow organization apparently working for her, far from independent I’ll say.

>>103965672
Because people are retards and genuinely believe that the big indies aren't backed by corporations.

>>103964154
most likely Vshojo imploding, no other options out there

>>103965663
Nta but to add on to that. Merch in holo is also consistent, there will always be at least one birthday celebration drop every year and depending how well the chuuba performs there will also be goal celebration merch (1 mill, 2 mill, anniversary, etc). It’s too early to tell but if Saba replicates the holo formula then MAYBE she has the potential to beat out her earnings in holo, but if not then she’ll be making significantly less.

>>103965672
Nowadays people think; no big corp = indie.

>>103965672
It's a one-talent corporation. This is not an indie in the usual sense.
think of Kizuna Ai

>>103965663
>Gura's iPass Merch
Yeah that made Gura a good amount. And Saba has yet to launch some type of merch campaign on this scale, but whenever she does, she's gonna make a good chunk of profit. It may not be more than what she made in Holo all together, but she at least has total control over what type of merch she releases and what type of projects she wants to do. It's not farfetched to think Saba will use her own money to fund projects that will then make her money in returns. She could fund things like small video games, a music concert of some kind, a clothing line and so on.

>>103965672
They have managers that work for them. It's like how some big time streamers have editors and booking agents, they are still independent individuals, not part of a company, but they have people who work for them behind the scenes.

>>103965169
>It was the rigger and nacho not really pushing the bounderies for costume designs lol
She wanted a restructuring of her character lol.

>>103964182
kill yourself windy

>>103965968
Saba could definitely fund a small indie game, she's already gotten praise from some indie devs for playing their games, so it's not a stretch to think she could reach out to them to work on something together. Make a small game, sell it for $10 on steam, get at least 20,000 of her followers to buy it and that's an easy $200K right there (minus Steam's cut)

>>103964799
>has to organize everything on her own.
No she doesn't. She outsources that. She does practically nothing entirely on her own besides stream.

>>103965672
Because seething indies want something they can claim as a win over Hololive
As if any of the "indie avenger" bullshit even remotely benefited any actual indies

>>103964596
b..but chumbuds told me that she quit because she can't handle the pressure. She dislike being the center of attention of many people

>>103963996 (OP)
>meetings
WITH FUCKING WHO???did she forget that excuse doesn't make sense as an indie?

>>103966787
Her manager

Remember what shondo said.

>>103966814
>”Manager”
My personal rrat is that instead of Nimi being the mastermind, Saba was the one who was actually pulling the strings and managed to convince Nimi to release her LLD so she could test the waters on public reaction for announcing her relationship.

>>103966999
Nice trips

We need a new name for people in between girls who actually are a one man operation and do everything in their room/pc (true indies) to girls who work for a corporation.

>>103966860
Uoh cunny seggs

>>103965936
What? Are you saying Kizuna Ai is considered indie?

>>103967105
No, the one about indie "managers"

>>103964814
No you stupid retard.

>>103966999
It actually make sense. Gura showed sign to quit long before Fauna. Fauna also claimed that Gura was her oshi.

>>103964063
Here's the thing anon, the client is always the one who put the hours if you wanna sell your shit, gura of course didn't know that and thought everything will be at convenient hours because she's an indie, she learnt it is not.

Honestly I'm surprised and amused how this shit is blowing on her face
>''HOLOLIVE WON'T LET ME HAVE REVALING CLOTHES!!''
>It was actually Youtube
>''HOLOLIVE IS MAKING ME HAVE MEETINGS AT UNHOLY HOURS!!!''
>It was actually the clients
I wonder what else she'll find out along the way

>>103965672
because they're not employees of the corporations, they're the owners of them

>>103967292
You've cracked the case Anon.
Saba is actually dating an entire law firm that she has on retainer.

>>103967419
Anon, that makes them a corpo owner and thus no longer an indie, or else yagoo would be an indie too

>>103967356
All she needed to do was to stick with the people who have great connections (Kiara, Suzy, Fubuki) and she would've gotten her way. But she listened to Fauna lol

>>103963996 (OP)
She left because she got poached by Vshojo but it collapsed before she can officially join it.

>>103967471
I’m the law firm

>>103967479
Honestly, you're right. Suisei was even MAD that chloe didn't come to her when she had problems, these girls sometimes forget they have a strong support group, fucking Towa got Nene's 3D to be a priority when she changed models and got Lamy's first manager fired for telling the elf
>''You don't mesh well with anyone due to your personality, it's better if you stay solo''
that shit sounded as
>''You are not allowed to collab with others except your gen, don't talk to them, only your gen and ME''
Most likely the manager was a guy who wanted to isolate her to get into her pants.

>>103966346
This sound great on paper, but actually isn't that good practically.
Steam takes a minimum of 30% cut so if she can convince 20,000 people to buy some kusoge on Steam, she might as well just ask them to donate through YT (30% cut) or Streamlabs (0%, but susceptible to chargeback). For a game that is good enough to give people incentive to drop money on (beyond just for Saba), it will take money and efforts to develop and devs are unlikely to just do it for free

>>103967356
>>''HOLOLIVE WON'T LET ME HAVE REVALING CLOTHES!!''
have you not seen her swimsuit idol uniform?
>''HOLOLIVE IS MAKING ME HAVE MEETINGS AT UNHOLY HOURS!!!''
having meeting at 7am about a project you want to do is not the same as having weekly meetings about nothing at like 2am

>>103967478
Yagoo is a CEO of a public company that manages a vtuber agency with dozens of vtubers, Saba employs a lawyer and maybe an agent. You can't in good faith tell me these are comparable. The reason she made a company is most likely due to opsec reasons.

>>103967576
I also didn't mention Mori because Chumbuds would pretend that gura us a literal child and whine about things

>>103966787
her lawyer, her accountant, omocat, other companies for merchandise. collabs with other tubers who are part of corpos vtubers who live in different time zones.. I dunno anon

>>103963996 (OP)
>leave hololive
>do the exact same things as hololive
>even copy the same model and crap for your new debut
what the fuck was the point

>>103964814
If your tribute is big and creamy enough, yes.

>>103964484
starting an LLC for your streaming business is the actual correct move, especially for reporting income to not get fucked by the tax man

>>103967948
Losing the sex design for a chimera apparently

>>103967948
Getting a much bigger cut of the money

>>103967948
Gunrun has Speech 100 that convinced her

>>103967948
Ownership you simpleton

>>103964179
Japanese fans call these VTubers “stealth indie.”
“stealth kojin-zei”

How do people on 4chan refer to indie VTubers who have corporate personnel secretly involved behind the scenes?

>>103966624
Something that requires effort, guts, connections, experience, knowledge, and keen eyes, let alone that she is both the performer and her own boss.

>>103967948
Because autistic people dont like authority and after her idolization period faded she realized that Hololive is the same as any other corporation in the world out there, and just wanted to get out and do stuff that she actually wanted to do, and make money the way she wanted to make it, instead of working for glory and money of some degenerate execs and shareholders.

But that would just be my guess.

>>103963996 (OP)
she left for the same reasons Nimi did

>>103964179
she was going to join Vshitshow with Nimi but Cover made her wait so long Gunrun run out of money

>>103964179
>>103971166
I too believe that Nimi was a vshoujo spook and was arranging for former holos to be in it.

>>103971383
Nimi cucks

>retards here thinking having representation is something outlandish

You beet fucks need to out more. A buddy of mine works for NFL media and when he had to sign a contract they didn't want to to talk to him directly because they want someone representing him (an agent) to know the ins and outs of the contract. The other side don't want to deal with dumb amateurs for contracts thatll just be a liability as a result of their ignorance.

>>103963996 (OP)
sorry, I'm her manager-boyfriend and we have meetings in bed every morning